*CRAP! I apparently misspoke once along the way - a record low for me! 😂* Your towing capacity is not “GCWR-GVWR” but rather *GCWR-Vehicle Curb Weight* Sorry about that!!
Huh? Not very specific. So, (Vehicle) GCWR *minus* (Vehicle) Curb Weight? Please confirm. What will it be for a 2007 Kia Sportage V6? I have a 2010 KZ Sportsman w/GVWR of 2700#'s. Plz help, I'll be houseless in a month. Plz anybody. Thanks *IMPORTANT*
Following up on the @rosegarcia9963 question. In the video, at 12:30 you have the safe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 20,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,800lbs, and the truck GVWR is 9,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 13,200lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 11,000lbs. You have the tow capacity listed as 11,000lbs, which implies truck GCWR-truck GVWR. At 12:50 you have the unsafe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 16,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,400lbs, and the truck GVWR is 8,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 9,600lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 8,000lbs. Based on the safe configuration, the towing capacity of this truck is 8,000lbs, but in the video you have it listed as 10,000lbs (which is neither 8,000lbs nor 9,600lbs). Is that because a calculated towing capacity is different from a rated towing capacity, or is there an error in the graphic? Thanks for all the info you provide.
Like I've said before ( I think?) Working in the state park system and seeing it first hand, especially with the popularity growth of new campers I saw sooo many vehicle/camper setups WAY over loaded, and not by a little but by A LOT! We need more people in the industry to brute force this valuable information into newbies heads, and not some of these "salesmans" that just want the cash $$$ TO ALL THE NEWBIES THAT SEE THIS VIDEO/COMMENT PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH TO KEEP YOU SAFE AND OTHERS AROUND ON THE ROAD! Great video Josh
@@JoshtheRVNerd It's a small world isn't it? You've gone on to touch so many people in such a positive, purposeful way. You are an Amazing part of the Bishes team & all the folks new & not so much, 😀sourounding the RV industry. Roads are safer & RV life is easier with you in it Mr Nerd. A BIG Thanks for sharing all your experience & guidance . My exit is coming up, buy for now.
Finally, Finally, Finally someone has told the truth about 1/2 ton vehicle towing. Thank you! A must watch. Great explanation. Also, the info about airbags. Excellent!
This video should be REQUIRED watching for everyone who tows a camper. I am constantly sharing this video in the various FB groups I'm in because of the newbie questions being asked and the VERY bad advice being given!
Coming from a teacher of 36 years, I must say this: Josh, you are a great teacher. Your ability to take a complex concept and break it down to the simplest and easy to understand terms. One thing that I learned over the years about towing trailers is cargo capacity is the ultimate limitation (in most cases). Sir, you nailed it, and likely saved lives in this video. This video should be required viewing for individuals new to rv'ing.
This is probably the simplest and easiest to understand explanation of the weights involved with towing. It took me a few days of going through videos and doing math to figure out what you demonstrated in 30 seconds. Gotta love, good old uncle Josh.
Very good on explaining the weight stuff. One thing people can do is go to a large truck scale (Cat Scale) at truck stops and weight there tow vehicle fuel of gas but completely empty. Then after the pickup there trailer go back and weight the combination of the 2 before they load things up. This will give them a idea of how much they can load up with. Anyone can use the Cat Scales at truck stops. It's $7.00 the 1st weigh and $2.00 for a reweigh as long as you reweigh at the same scale you did the 1st weight at.
As a 30 year ASE master tech WELL DONE Josh. I couldnt have said it more clearly and with any sence then that. I hope I can use this for thos so called "well ive been doing it for year without a problem" people!!!!
TY so much. I wasn't taught any of this properly when I started and had to UN-learn so many bad teachings. I cringe as some of the historical towing advisory I gave people Just trying to be/do better now
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well we all need too learn somewhere , just hope it is not from are own demise. You just have put it in such a way that those that really dont get it, should. I dont know how many people ive tried too tell and they just dont unders stand past the "tow rating" . But i have a 30k tow rating so i can tow anything mentality.
I've entered the RV market as someone who never has owned a truck. Thanks for the informative and easy to follow video. I now feel confident I'll choose the right RV that is safe to tow.
I went to look at a trailer and as we walked across the lot we were talking about my truck and weights. I told him this specific trailer model was going to cut things close on payload capacity so I'd have to be really careful about what I took with me in the truck and where I put weight in the TT. He looked me in the eye and said that a good weight-distribution hitch would "remove all of the tongue weight". I rolled my eyes, turned around and got back in my truck -- either he was straight up lying to me, or he so woefully ignorant I didn't want to do business with him. Thanks for this break down and for being a good person, Nerd 🤓. I had this conversation with my brother-in-law when he was excited about 5th wheels that were advertised by the manufacturer as "HT" of even had the words "half ton" in the product name, but if you look at the numbers they almost never are actually half-ton towable unless the truck is bare-bones and the only vehicle occupant is a 5' pixie. Much of the RV industry will happily lie to you to make a sale which I find very frustrating. The world needs more Josh.
@@Kevinw4040 not a dumb question. a wd hitch transfers the hitch weight from the trailer toung that sits at the back of your truck hitch, downward force ( load ), transfers the load from the rear axle of your truck to the front axles of your truck through the frame of your truck. in other words, it takes the load off the rear axle, moves it to the front axle on your truck. you have prob seen many trucks pulling campers down the highway, if you looked closely..you would have noticed where the trailer was attached to the rear truck bumper ball ?, some were squatted down right there ?, this means they have too much weight on the truck hitch ball from the trailer hitch. with a wd hitch attached, it brings the rear of truck and trailer hitch all back up level, by doing this, it moves the load off the rear of the truck axle, transfers the load to the trucks front axle.
Man I wish I woulda seen this BEFORE we bought our 2018 Eagle HALF TON.....def NOT a half ton towable 5th wheel! Pushed us all the way home and when we went out on our first trip I weighed it and found we were 300lbs to heavy on the tounge!!! Next stop was to a dealer and bought a 3/4ton....sucked because the F-150 was paid off!!! Thanks as always Nerd for passing on useful info!!! Sure proud to be a member of the Nerd Herd!
This info confirms what took me a LOT of research to figure out for myself. It seems like most trucks’ tow “rating” should be reduced to take actual payload into consideration.
As Josh explained, Tow rating and cargo rating are two separate weights. Tow rating is usually irrelevant because you will probably reach your max payload before you reach your max tow rating.
@@mickeym2380 That’s what I’m saying- the tow rating is highly hyped and advertised, but the payload is hidden somewhere on a sticker on the door jam. People with no experience have no idea that that’s the most important number!
This is the SMARTEST towing information on RV's that I have ever seen! Thank you. It put a LOT MORE good info in front of the customer. Thank you for putting SAFETY FIRST.
Josh, you did an amazing job here. 10/10 This will be the video to share with every one new and old to rving. Thanks for cutting threw the crap and helping us comprehend this.
Josh I just wanted to say thank you for your commentary and honesty. We have a Sundance 32BHS that is 7.5klbs dry that I’ve towed with my Ram 1500. It towed fine, but we equaled and sometimes exceeded the max payload (1600lb). I’ve since upgraded to a Ram 2500 that has a 3100lb payload. Anyway, thank you. It’s your detail here that prompted me to step it up. It made the difference!!
Thank you for being an honest RV salesman and not telling people with under rated vehicles they are fine towing that big trailer just to make a sale. Can't tell you how many trucks and now more often cars I see pulling trailers they have no business towing. I cringe every time I see some idiot in a car pulling a trailer. Nothing about a car is designed for towing anything bigger than a pop up trailer. I had a friend who got talked into buying a trailer by a salesman who told her her car could pull it. First time out headed to the mountains she could not make it up the hill. Lesson learned the hard way.
I've been a truck and heavy haul truckdriver for 28 years, and you did a good job explaining this for the average consumer, great job! I do can't wait to do business with you! Safety First!!!
Thank you x 1,000,000. No one who owns a trailer (or even a truck) could explain to me what the heck hitch weight was... now I went out to my car and found my GVWR and my vehicle payload and feel like a genius!!! BUT now I'm thinking about all the cargo i want to haul.. bike rack: on the car? On the trailer in the front or the back? big huge cooler full of beer and ice? extra kids? A bunch of camp chairs? Heavy steel grate for firepit? Fill up with water at home? It seriously adds up quick!
Couple of things. 1). Great job explaining how this all works. Very straight forward and clearly explained. 2). Standing ovation to you and Bush’s for telling the truth and admitting that most trailers are too heavy to safely pull with a half ton pickup. Everyone in your line of work would be willing to be so honest. Thank you for your honesty.
This topic can't be talked about enough, you see so many unsafe combinations of truck & trailer, is a lot of states/provinces if you are involved in an accident and found to be over weight or over capacity you can face criminal charges. Thank you Josh, great topic.
That was a great and easy to understand explanation. It amazes me how many 1/2 ton trucks or SUVs I see out there and just know they are probably overloaded and unsafe.
Another great video Josh. I have already shared this with some friends considering a TT. Two good pieces of advice (that I think is safe) given to me was 1) never tow anything longer than 25' or anything over 6000 lbs with a 1/2 ton pick up. 2) You will most likely run out of payload capacity before your towing capacity. Also, look for a yellow sticker near your weight stickers for any payload adjustments from the manufacturer. I lost 118 lbs in PL capacity due to sidesteps and upgraded rims. Thanks again!
Please extend this presentation to cover how to incorporate weight distribution hitches into vehicle towing. Even better would be how to incorporate using a CAT or truck scale to verify trailer weight when the WDH is connected and active on the scale. You have explained things very well so far. Just extend the conversation a little further. You’re the best!!
To the point Josh is making, all aftermarket accessories (dealer addons/DIY/retail installed) that are added to the tow vehicle take away from the payload of the truck. Examples include larger wheels and tires, step rails, tonneau covers, brush guards, bed liners, bed boxes, air bags, spring helpers, etc. Many, well equipped / luxury half tons have a factory rated payload around 1500lbs. Dressing up your ride by bolting on a few of aftermarket accessories and you have decreased the payload capacity needed to tow an rv.
Josh. This was a very good way to explain the true weight of what your vehicle toe safely. You are good. I was an instructor for enforcement in florida. It is not easy to brake it down so all can understand it. But you my friend are exalent. Thank God for someone like you putting our safety frist. You are a good man
As a trainer for RV school I am very happy you did this video. I will be sharing it a lot! Next time I’m passing through I’ll have to stop in to say hey and maybe even get an autograph 😊
Thank you for this clear explanation. I think most RV sales folks are more interested in making the sale. Sadly, I now realize that my pickup can't tow what I thought it could.
Great information for newbies and seasoned towable owners alike! Thanks Uncle Josh! My 2 cents, regardless of your paper numbers, get thyself to the nearest scales to confirm you're safe with a full loadout! (and don't forget the dog) 🐶
Josh, thank you for your video, and clear explanations. Everyone in the USA lives close (enough) to a weight station (usually they are not free, but, not expensive). Once loaded, a person who really wants to have the REAL AS-LOADED values for his/her tow vehicle & trailer will make the effort to get weighed. Being over the published limits for the tow vehicle and / or the trailer can have considerable safety and legal consequences. Again, thank you.
Wonderful wonderful video! I use myself as an example that absolutely supports these rules. To my best brain calculation, my family of 6 are in the neighborhood of 750 lbs. That IMMEDIATELY drops my unloaded payload of 1805lbs on my 1/2 ton truck to just over 1050 lbs. My camper has an unloaded hitch weight of 615 lbs. So just taking the bare weights, I have access to approx. 435ish lbs of cargo. Add 4 bikes and some firewood in the bed and my payload is nearing 250ish lbs left. Subtract 80lbs for the hitch and bars… I’m under 200lbs of available payload for my truck. I know my hitch weight is more because I pack my cargo either over the axles or forward of the axles. Here is where I need the scales to really give me the spot on number. But for the sake of argument, my math checks out above. My truck says it can “tow” 9300lbs, but my camper fully loaded is actually in the neighborhood of 5500lbs and I’m nearing my payload capacity. I truly believe I’m within all my specs, but if I were to upgrade, I’d have to keep these numbers in mind and even consider a larger truck or one with significantly more payload. Keep it up Josh! #nerdherd
So, basically, unless you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a dually, you aren't towing anything over 37 feet or anything worth owning. The hitch weight + cargo + hitch receiver + passenger/driver are going to be far above the payload capacity of the truck. If you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a single wheel, you're pretty much in the same boat as dually 3/4 tons or 1/2 tons and have to resort to lesser quality brands to meet the payload vs. hitch weight demands. Good video.
Thanks for going over this again, as it can’t be stated enough. Unfortunately, this is an industry wide issue (truck and RV manufacturers). Neither sales or marketing teams seem to care about safety first. Two cases where I recently came across this: firstly, back in 2021 looking for a new truck with higher payload, called Ford dealer and inquired about F150 with Max Tow, and F250 or Ram 2500 options (small town they had both Ford and Ram dealers). When I explained the situation they were quick to point out very confidently that the new F150 can tow 14,000lbs. Secondly, my wife and I just went to the RV show in Calgary back in January, and as we’re walking into a Cougar “half ton” fifth wheel, I noticed the UVWR on the outside at some 10,000lbs and commented to my wife that “this will be too heavy”. The sales guy and I believe a Cougar rep sitting in the trailer overheard me and quickly quipped that “an F150 is all that’s needed to tow this”. I looked at him and fired back “no way I’m towing this with an F150”. He says “Ok, personal opinion”. Really? He didn’t even ask what I drive which is a Ram 2500 gas. And what do RV dealerships do to help truly determine if the vehicle someone had is the right vehicle? Why can’t a dealership actually weigh a “dry” trailer with two propane tanks and two batteries? You know they’re going to sell it to the purchaser anyway. I understand that other stuff put throughout the trailer will alter that hitch weight, but we also know ideally that you want that hitch weight at around 12%…adding the 200 lbs of propane and batteries to the front will help with getting a realistic number hitch weight. Just curious, what steps does Bish’s go through to completely verify everything is good before selling a trailer (check vehicles payload sticker, help customer determine/educate/understand trailer GVW, etc)- because the place I bought mine in Alberta does absolutely nothing. I won’t even bring up the trailer length, that should also be factored in, or where it’s expected to be towed (maybe a second video? That one is definitely more tricky). Anyway, as always your videos are fantastic, and your one of few that points these towing considerations out in ever video!
HA! Must have been the same salesman we saw at the Calgary RV show. He was bragging about how the Cougar "1/2 Ton" fifth wheels can be towed with a half ton. I wanted to get into it with him, but I just walked away. I wish manufacturers would stop calling their units by that name as it's very deceiving. We have an F150 and tow a Cougar 22 MLS and while this trailer is not super heavy at 7200 GVWR, its hitch weight is much higher than you would expect, with many owners reporting it at as much as 1100lbs. It's also a relatively high profile trailer. It's a good match with our F150, but I wouldn't want to go any heavier or longer. Especially when towing in the prairie winds we get around here! We just bought a new weight distribution hitch and went for the 1200# bars, just to be safe!
Glad you did this. I don't think the word gets out. I see so many RV overload to the tow vehicle. When i ask about it at a stop, they just say, well my vehicle pulls it okay. Zero thought of the danger in that kind of thought. Just because i can go forward, does not mean I am safe. Thanks for spreading the word.
Beautiful Demonstration! 👏🏽 😢 My Subtitle’s Ready TOE rating🤣 This video is going to be a huge Reality Check to many RV owners! Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. No 2 trucks are exactly alike! Thank You so much for Videos like this Josh! 🤓
Great video. You are easily the most comprehensive resource on TH-cam. You should be proud of your body of work here. As my wife and I get closer to our second RV the first time, we will be heading to our nearest Bish’s. It was smart of them to let you keep doing what you’ve been doing since the Haylett days. Thanks for your great videos
As someone who lives in a older 22ft 5er in Maine year round I'm glad my place doesn't have 1/3 of the windows they allow heat in / out. I do love the rest of what I saw good job I'll rate it 9 out of 10
Thank you for continuing to put out fantastic information, Josh! I enjoyed the means/method of communicating. Your humor is great, but how you put your heart into this content shows how much you care. You are an asset to Bish's! Keep up the good work!
Always great info, Josh. Much appreciated! I think often the wrong questions is asked. Too often someone asks, "Can I tow it?" instead of, "Should I tow it?" ALL of the math needs to be done. And if I had a dime for every WDH I see adjusted wrong...ugh.
Uncle Josh, THANK YOU so much for making this vehicle. As a member of the Nerd Herd and a hopeful potential new RV’er someday (I’ve only tent camped in my younger days); I’ve watched many of your videos over the passed several months and I appreciate everything that you have put out there. It has helped with my research. That being said, based on what I have seen so far, I believe that this video is the MOST important and informative video that i’ve watched. I appreciate the caring about your customers safety that you preach. I really do believe that you are putting the customers safety above the sale. Whenever I do decide to purchase an RV, you can bet that I will be stopping by in person at one of your stores. I’ve seen on a couple of other channels, that General Motors is the ONLY manufacturer that has added an additional sticker on their new trucks that helps you with the math on towing. This new sticker should be mandated from the manufacturers. Always safety first! Again another job WELL DONE! Tell Mr. Bish to give you a raise, 😃
Omg!! I found myself looking at so many videos trying to understand this whole setup.. from them looking at the campers and all of the things that they're trying to say with so much detail.. And to know I came across this one and a simple dolly and a book bag broke it all the way down for me to understand and know all about the GVW and everything else lol lol Thank goodness we have people like you doing these videos lol😂... Your the real MVP!!!
@@JoshtheRVNerdSo I have a question would the GVWR being considered if the RV camper is loaded with the beds and things that was purchased or would this GVR being after you adding all the water and the extra things? I asked because my avalanche which is two wheel drive says actual ratio 3.73 $7,200 lb but also actual ratio for 0.10 8,200 lb and it says the GCWR 13,000 and the second is $14,000 lb and I'm kind of confused. My trailer is 27 ft long RV camper
@@daamills2011GVWR doesn't change. GVWR is the empty + max cargo possible before something fails. That's your heaviest possible rating. What you're describing would be the laden weight - how much it ACTUALLY weighs with your stuff in it
This is awesome, I recently got a Jayco Eagle 355 MBQS and converted it to a gooseneck using the Lippert approved Gooseneck system. I ran the numbers a lot, using a 25% pin weight I am possibly overloaded (by a couple of hundred pounds) on my 2019 F350 SRW. I have not scaled it, this is the information I used to make my decisions that I had learnt. On the heavier duty trucks they have been designed for a higher weight but are limited by class limitations, such as a 25 series can not be more than 10k, until recently a 35 series can not be more than 11.5k for SRW and 14k for DRW. Same for the f450 can not be more than 14k, but is a way beefier truck than the f350 with the same GVWR. With my trailer and I don't know the pin weight yet, I am not even on the helper springs, however I do not know the weak points, I feel safe I can stop safely and quickly when needed, I suspect I am not near my payload as I planned for the worst. I also have a plan for reducing the truck weight (remove the skid plates and spare tire if I have to, run with less fuel in the tank, reduce my fat arse which I need to do anyway) I was also prepared to by a DRW if it did not work out. If you are unsure buy a bigger truck, no one has ever said boy I wish I had less truck when the blown gasket hits the fan.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I plan to but first I need to be fully licensed so I don't have to find a class A driver to go with me. In CA if you convert to gooseneck you need a Non commercial class A for anything with a GVWR over 10k. I failed my first road test so am waiting for my retest
Great info. Sales people don't understand these numbers. I had to explain the limitations of my 16 Navigator L when selecting a trailer that fit all the parameters. I emphasized I needed a travel trailer with a dry weight of 6,000 lbs, tongue weight of 650 lbs PERIOD. These numbers fit my Tow Capacity, Payload, GVWR, GCWR, and Axel rating. They kept focusing on the fact that the trailers they were showing me weighed a certain number. Nothing else mattered to them.
You're not wrong. Being real - plenty of people even within my own organization don't understand all this I did not for far too long... but nobody was teaching me either. Had to figure it out on my own
@@JoshtheRVNerd When I go camping and chat with people I am shocked at how little they know themselves. All you hear them say is I can tow x number. Nobody is concerned with payload. :) Thanks for taking the time to explain what can be a complex topic for most people.
The biggest reason I'm subscribed to your channel Josh is not because you always miss the ice cream man in the summer 😂 it's because you've always had the safety before the sale mentality. I've been a truck driver for over 20 years and the amount of accidents I see with RVs from just not having the right vehicle combinations is actually really sad. I know you've done a video explaining this before but I like the visuals you did actually giving more context to the issue and I hope others will see it, they need to know what they can pull. I have suggested to my local RV dealership to have a class for potential buyers on towing safety, and I'm also an advocate that anyone pulling an RV needing to get a driver's license endorsement unless they hold a class A CDL. Keep up the good work my friend.
Such an important topic! I did soo much research on this since we tow with an SUV. In fact, I've talked about it so much even my kids can spot the sag of an overloaded rig. Good vid Joshy
This is one of the best descriptions of towing capacity that I've seen! As I've learned, it can be a very confusing topic. Equally important to note is that there are a lot of RV salesman who don't understand this themselves. If they don't understand it, they can't help you the customer understand what you can or can't tow. Thanks again for a very detailed and through understanding!
Josh you have outstanding Integrity. Haven't invested yet still doing leaders recon and your videos are informative and to the point. Thank you for what you do.
Best explanation I have heard. Now I understand and will be ready for my next trailer. And this is why I tell everyone interested in getting a trailer to watch your channel.
Uncle Josh I really appreciate this video..I knew some of this but definitely not all of it..its really great how you clarified everything and what the terms really mean both for people who have been camping for awhile and those just getting started.Thank u for doing this video Josh appreciate you!!
Good job, Tommy-boy! LOL! In the midst of all my researching the past couple of years, I read that truck manufacturers allow 150 lbs for the driver as part of the GVW. IOW, if the driver weighs 200 lbs, you only need to add 50 lbs to the weight of the cargo. BUT, one thing I've never found is...do they figure the GVW with or without a full tank of gas? Gas can take a big bite out of the payload capacity which seems like a bad idea when you're selling a vehicle that people use to haul stuff, so I'm hoping they do the calculations with the tank already full. Ultimately though, some people might think it's really dumb to research this stuff for over two years (almost 3?) before actually buying, but I'm glad I did. There were other factors involved in the decision to wait, so I had time to do it, but I learned a lot by doing so and what I thought I was going to buy and what I now intend to buy has changed a LOT as a result, and a lot of it is thanks to people like you who tell it like it is. So, thank you again, Josh! I appreciate these informative refreshers! Thanks to people like you and Robyn and Matt and Bob and about a dozen other channels, I've gone from thinking I just gotta have the biggest Class C I can afford, to thinking I should get the biggest towable my truck can handle, to deciding I need to get rid of a bunch of crap, put the things I just can't part with in storage, and just get something small and functional that will be easy to tow and won't overwork my truck. Of course, in the midst of that I toyed with just buying a sticks and bricks, too. If WWIII kicks off before next fall, I might do that anyway. LOL! If not, I'll be buying a small, lightweight camper and hitting the road full time. Now if climate change would just stop making the weather so danged unpredictable. I'm going to be pretty PO'd if blizzards in the southwest become the new normal. LOL
Great video. Nice job Josh. On point and if people follow this and the math they will be ok. There are some details that go into the numbers that can confuse people if not technical in nature. This video avoids that and will be a great tool for people to use. Well done Bish's for supporting this and educating your customers. There are many options for a RVer to ensure their true tongue weight (loaded and unloaded). Another tool i would recommend. It can be shared with friends and family to get the most out of it.
I wanted to break it down into terms someone who doesn't have a PhD in towing rocket science could understand. It's not complicated once you understand the terms and how they work against one another
My pleasure! I remember when I got my first house. About a year after the central air was acting funny. So I called a guy. He was a good guy who did good business. He recognized I was a young kid - likely new to this. So he says "Before I have to charge you $120 for a service call have you just checked your furnace filter?" I was like "...no I'm calling about my A/C not my furnace." He didn't laugh or anything but rather helped me understand the relationship. I always appreciated that and tried to do the same for people When I started this in 2009 I didn't know jack about squat and had to learn a lot of it the wrong way, unlearn it, then relearn it (hopefully) properly I enjoy helping folks cut that learning curve
Great job Josh! You explained it in a way the anyone can understand. I could have posted this video four times on Facebook in the last 24 hours! Thanks RV Nerd!
We live on the east coast and when we were looking at bumper pull campers and picked one out, that we liked. The first thing the dealer did was lookup our vin and checked to see if our truck could safely pull it. BTW this dealer was the only one who would do this. WE had one dealer that tried to sell us a camper WAY over our payload capacity. We walked out the door. I already what my truck could handle due to watching your videos.
I wish I could give this 5 thumbs up! The legality and understanding GVW payload is misunderstood and misrepresented by so many buyers and salespeople.
Thank you thank you! I plan on checking these numbers on my current camper and truck package. And I must say also what a privilege it was for my wife and I to meet you at the Omaha show. You are genuinely an inspiration to current and potential camping enthusiasts. Was so much fun talking about Uncle Gary! Snd that Brinkley! OMG what a palace on wheels! You were worth 8 hour drive! Thanks again 👍
It's not just them. I've comp shopped online other places often. It's shockingly rare anyone ever asks about my vehicle Even less common the larger the dealership group
Added this video to my favorites to access and share when needed. Ive been camping, tent camping for over 30 years. Im now retired and we are talking about a camper. Trouble is i do not own a truck either so rhis is a lot of money. Started doing the research and this helps a lot. Thank you. Bristol, IN
Glad it was helpful! I recommend picking the RV you want first (note I didn’t say BUY the thing, but pick it out) Then, get the truck you need to handle it properly so you aren’t stuck settling after spending a loooooot of money
Tongue weight concerns is exactly why i purchased Weigh Safe True Tow hitch for my toyhauler. Good explanation. I say a person will most likely bump up against cargo capacity long before max towing. I see on forums all the time where people are looking at the actual hitch rating and assuming that means the truck is rated for that same #. Not so much!
Josh, thank you for your honest recommendation. When we bought our 5th wheel the dealer pretty much said that we could pull it with a half ton truck. Luckily, I researched enough to realize that I need much more truck than what he recommended. We ended up purchasing a 1 ton truck and are happy that we did.
*CRAP! I apparently misspoke once along the way - a record low for me! 😂*
Your towing capacity is not “GCWR-GVWR” but rather *GCWR-Vehicle Curb Weight*
Sorry about that!!
Not bad with only that error....it was a 15 minute video going over a lot of points.
I’m starting to get my head around this..but what can my v6 2014 Nissan Pathfinder tow????
Video on class A's and how much you can flat tow? It says 5,000 pounds. But what is included in that?
Huh? Not very specific. So, (Vehicle) GCWR *minus* (Vehicle) Curb Weight? Please confirm. What will it be for a 2007 Kia Sportage V6? I have a 2010 KZ Sportsman w/GVWR of 2700#'s. Plz help, I'll be houseless in a month. Plz anybody. Thanks *IMPORTANT*
Following up on the @rosegarcia9963 question. In the video, at 12:30 you have the safe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 20,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,800lbs, and the truck GVWR is 9,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 13,200lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 11,000lbs. You have the tow capacity listed as 11,000lbs, which implies truck GCWR-truck GVWR.
At 12:50 you have the unsafe configuration. The truck GCWR is listed at 16,000lbs, the truck empty is at 6,400lbs, and the truck GVWR is 8,000lbs. Truck GCWR-truck empty = 9,600lbs and truck GCWR-truck GVWR = 8,000lbs. Based on the safe configuration, the towing capacity of this truck is 8,000lbs, but in the video you have it listed as 10,000lbs (which is neither 8,000lbs nor 9,600lbs). Is that because a calculated towing capacity is different from a rated towing capacity, or is there an error in the graphic?
Thanks for all the info you provide.
Like I've said before ( I think?) Working in the state park system and seeing it first hand, especially with the popularity growth of new campers I saw sooo many vehicle/camper setups WAY over loaded, and not by a little but by A LOT! We need more people in the industry to brute force this valuable information into newbies heads, and not some of these "salesmans" that just want the cash $$$ TO ALL THE NEWBIES THAT SEE THIS VIDEO/COMMENT PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH TO KEEP YOU SAFE AND OTHERS AROUND ON THE ROAD! Great video Josh
My pleasure. Pls feel free to share into social groups! :)
That's why I watch all these videos...
Truck driver here who pulls doubles & triples. I'm very pleased to see you explaining things so very well. Fantastic job Mr Nerd.
Awesome, thank you!
Bet you’d never believe I was once a dispatcher at yellow freight lol
I quickly learned that’s not for me
@@JoshtheRVNerd It's a small world isn't it? You've gone on to touch so many people in such a positive, purposeful way. You are an Amazing part of the Bishes team & all the folks new & not so much, 😀sourounding the RV industry. Roads are safer & RV life is easier with you in it Mr Nerd. A BIG Thanks for sharing all your experience & guidance . My exit is coming up, buy for now.
Finally, Finally, Finally someone has told the truth about 1/2 ton vehicle towing. Thank you! A must watch. Great explanation. Also, the info about airbags. Excellent!
Glad you enjoyed it! Pls share and help spread that safety!
This video should be REQUIRED watching for everyone who tows a camper. I am constantly sharing this video in the various FB groups I'm in because of the newbie questions being asked and the VERY bad advice being given!
Hit that share button and spread the education!
You and Dolly did a great job of demonstrating the concepts that a lot of people struggle with. Well done Josh!
LOL the Capital D on Dolly had me thrown. I was like "wait did I have a guest on this?"
Everyone should have to watch this before towing!
Coming from a teacher of 36 years, I must say this: Josh, you are a great teacher. Your ability to take a complex concept and break it down to the simplest and easy to understand terms. One thing that I learned over the years about towing trailers is cargo capacity is the ultimate limitation (in most cases). Sir, you nailed it, and likely saved lives in this video. This video should be required viewing for individuals new to rv'ing.
Wow thank you! I always like educating and sharing. I’ve found a weird way to blend all my quirks together
This is probably the simplest and easiest to understand explanation of the weights involved with towing. It took me a few days of going through videos and doing math to figure out what you demonstrated in 30 seconds. Gotta love, good old uncle Josh.
Glad to be of service!
Very good on explaining the weight stuff.
One thing people can do is go to a large truck scale (Cat Scale) at truck stops and weight there tow vehicle fuel of gas but completely empty. Then after the pickup there trailer go back and weight the combination of the 2 before they load things up. This will give them a idea of how much they can load up with. Anyone can use the Cat Scales at truck stops. It's $7.00 the 1st weigh and $2.00 for a reweigh as long as you reweigh at the same scale you did the 1st weight at.
absolutely. Scaling is the only way to know for sure
And within 24hrs I think
I love that y’all do this because you are keeping people off the road that are over loaded,and may not be experience at towing an RV.
We try to keep people safe!
As a 30 year ASE master tech WELL DONE Josh. I couldnt have said it more clearly and with any sence then that. I hope I can use this for thos so called "well ive been doing it for year without a problem" people!!!!
TY so much. I wasn't taught any of this properly when I started and had to UN-learn so many bad teachings. I cringe as some of the historical towing advisory I gave people
Just trying to be/do better now
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well we all need too learn somewhere , just hope it is not from are own demise. You just have put it in such a way that those that really dont get it, should. I dont know how many people ive tried too tell and they just dont unders stand past the "tow rating" . But i have a 30k tow rating so i can tow anything mentality.
I've entered the RV market as someone who never has owned a truck. Thanks for the informative and easy to follow video. I now feel confident I'll choose the right RV that is safe to tow.
Hope it helps! In addition to rv reviews I have a bunch of these top vids in a “learn about stuff” playlist for you
I went to look at a trailer and as we walked across the lot we were talking about my truck and weights. I told him this specific trailer model was going to cut things close on payload capacity so I'd have to be really careful about what I took with me in the truck and where I put weight in the TT. He looked me in the eye and said that a good weight-distribution hitch would "remove all of the tongue weight". I rolled my eyes, turned around and got back in my truck -- either he was straight up lying to me, or he so woefully ignorant I didn't want to do business with him.
Thanks for this break down and for being a good person, Nerd 🤓. I had this conversation with my brother-in-law when he was excited about 5th wheels that were advertised by the manufacturer as "HT" of even had the words "half ton" in the product name, but if you look at the numbers they almost never are actually half-ton towable unless the truck is bare-bones and the only vehicle occupant is a 5' pixie. Much of the RV industry will happily lie to you to make a sale which I find very frustrating. The world needs more Josh.
I was originally taught something similar. I cringe at some of the old towing advice I used to give but at least now I can do something to help
Unfortunately, many truck RV sales and truck sales are lying, misinformed, or a combination of both.
This might be a dumb question- sorry what exactly does a weight distribution hitch do exactly?
@@Kevinw4040 not a dumb question. a wd hitch transfers the hitch weight from the trailer toung that sits at the back of your truck hitch, downward force ( load ), transfers the load from the rear axle of your truck to the front axles of your truck through the frame of your truck. in other words, it takes the load off the rear axle, moves it to the front axle on your truck. you have prob seen many trucks pulling campers down the highway, if you looked closely..you would have noticed where the trailer was attached to the rear truck bumper ball ?, some were squatted down right there ?, this means they have too much weight on the truck hitch ball from the trailer hitch. with a wd hitch attached, it brings the rear of truck and trailer hitch all back up level, by doing this, it moves the load off the rear of the truck axle, transfers the load to the trucks front axle.
Man I wish I woulda seen this BEFORE we bought our 2018 Eagle HALF TON.....def NOT a half ton towable 5th wheel! Pushed us all the way home and when we went out on our first trip I weighed it and found we were 300lbs to heavy on the tounge!!! Next stop was to a dealer and bought a 3/4ton....sucked because the F-150 was paid off!!! Thanks as always Nerd for passing on useful info!!! Sure proud to be a member of the Nerd Herd!
Pls share and maybe help some folks cut that curve
This info confirms what took me a LOT of research to figure out for myself. It seems like most trucks’ tow “rating” should be reduced to take actual payload into consideration.
As Josh explained, Tow rating and cargo rating are two separate weights. Tow rating is usually irrelevant because you will probably reach your max payload before you reach your max tow rating.
@@mickeym2380 That’s what I’m saying- the tow rating is highly hyped and advertised, but the payload is hidden somewhere on a sticker on the door jam. People with no experience have no idea that that’s the most important number!
This is the SMARTEST towing information on RV's that I have ever seen! Thank you. It put a LOT MORE good info in front of the customer. Thank you for putting SAFETY FIRST.
Glad it was helpful!
Josh, you did an amazing job here. 10/10
This will be the video to share with every one new and old to rving.
Thanks for cutting threw the crap and helping us comprehend this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Josh I just wanted to say thank you for your commentary and honesty. We have a Sundance 32BHS that is 7.5klbs dry that I’ve towed with my Ram 1500. It towed fine, but we equaled and sometimes exceeded the max payload (1600lb). I’ve since upgraded to a Ram 2500 that has a 3100lb payload. Anyway, thank you. It’s your detail here that prompted me to step it up. It made the difference!!
That’s awesome. I bet it’s a night and day difference.
THIS is the Most important rv video on TH-cam ! Thank you Josh !
TY! Please feel free to share it around!
Thank you for being an honest RV salesman and not telling people with under rated vehicles they are fine towing that big trailer just to make a sale. Can't tell you how many trucks and now more often cars I see pulling trailers they have no business towing. I cringe every time I see some idiot in a car pulling a trailer. Nothing about a car is designed for towing anything bigger than a pop up trailer. I had a friend who got talked into buying a trailer by a salesman who told her her car could pull it. First time out headed to the mountains she could not make it up the hill. Lesson learned the hard way.
I try. Ty John
I've been a truck and heavy haul truckdriver for 28 years, and you did a good job explaining this for the average consumer, great job! I do can't wait to do business with you! Safety First!!!
I appreciate that!
Thank you x 1,000,000. No one who owns a trailer (or even a truck) could explain to me what the heck hitch weight was... now I went out to my car and found my GVWR and my vehicle payload and feel like a genius!!! BUT now I'm thinking about all the cargo i want to haul.. bike rack: on the car? On the trailer in the front or the back? big huge cooler full of beer and ice? extra kids? A bunch of camp chairs? Heavy steel grate for firepit? Fill up with water at home? It seriously adds up quick!
It definitely does. Glad this helped!
You are incredible. This finally answered questions I have been trying to understand for way too long.
Glad it was helpful!
Hands Down the most comprehensive easy-to-follow explanation about all "weights" and their acronyms THANK YOU!!!!
wow TY! Glad to assist! :)
Couple of things. 1). Great job explaining how this all works. Very straight forward and clearly explained. 2). Standing ovation to you and Bush’s for telling the truth and admitting that most trailers are too heavy to safely pull with a half ton pickup. Everyone in your line of work would be willing to be so honest. Thank you for your honesty.
Our pleasure. Truly. A quick buck isn’t worth getting someone killed
Grew up traveling in a class a with my grandparents but trailers are what would work good for my family right now. I needed this info. Thank you!
This topic can't be talked about enough, you see so many unsafe combinations of truck & trailer, is a lot of states/provinces if you are involved in an accident and found to be over weight or over capacity you can face criminal charges. Thank you Josh, great topic.
My pleasure. Pls hit that share button and help spread the safety
That was a great and easy to understand explanation.
It amazes me how many 1/2 ton trucks or SUVs I see out there and just know they are probably overloaded and unsafe.
I know. And years ago I was one of the guys giving that bad advice. It’s just how everyone is trained it seems
Another great video Josh. I have already shared this with some friends considering a TT. Two good pieces of advice (that I think is safe) given to me was 1) never tow anything longer than 25' or anything over 6000 lbs with a 1/2 ton pick up. 2) You will most likely run out of payload capacity before your towing capacity. Also, look for a yellow sticker near your weight stickers for any payload adjustments from the manufacturer. I lost 118 lbs in PL capacity due to sidesteps and upgraded rims. Thanks again!
Great tip!
Please extend this presentation to cover how to incorporate weight distribution hitches into vehicle towing. Even better would be how to incorporate using a CAT or truck scale to verify trailer weight when the WDH is connected and active on the scale. You have explained things very well so far. Just extend the conversation a little further. You’re the best!!
Yes, I agree! And maybe show the old trick of determining tongue weight with a bathroom scale and the wood bar.
To the point Josh is making, all aftermarket accessories (dealer addons/DIY/retail installed) that are added to the tow vehicle take away from the payload of the truck. Examples include larger wheels and tires, step rails, tonneau covers, brush guards, bed liners, bed boxes, air bags, spring helpers, etc. Many, well equipped / luxury half tons have a factory rated payload around 1500lbs. Dressing up your ride by bolting on a few of aftermarket accessories and you have decreased the payload capacity needed to tow an rv.
And aftermarket accessories don’t change things like your payload ratings
I shared this video with my husband's cell phone, I'm no good with numbers!
Great stuff 👍 thanks for sharing. This is why Josh the rv nerd is Definitely the best RV show host in the business. ✌ 🇺🇲 GOD bless America 🇺🇲
Wow TY
Josh. This was a very good way to explain the true weight of what your vehicle toe safely. You are good. I was an instructor for enforcement in florida. It is not easy to brake it down so all can understand it. But you my friend are exalent. Thank God for someone like you putting our safety frist. You are a good man
Glad it was helpful!
As a trainer for RV school I am very happy you did this video. I will be sharing it a lot! Next time I’m passing through I’ll have to stop in to say hey and maybe even get an autograph 😊
Would love to meet!!
Thank you for this clear explanation. I think most RV sales folks are more interested in making the sale. Sadly, I now realize that my pickup can't tow what I thought it could.
I think that's often a reflection of their training and environment but yeah.. that does seem to be the norm. I'm glad to put this info out there
Great information for newbies and seasoned towable owners alike! Thanks Uncle Josh! My 2 cents, regardless of your paper numbers, get thyself to the nearest scales to confirm you're safe with a full loadout! (and don't forget the dog) 🐶
Josh, thank you for your video, and clear explanations. Everyone in the USA lives close (enough) to a weight station (usually they are not free, but, not expensive). Once loaded, a person who really wants to have the REAL AS-LOADED values for his/her tow vehicle & trailer will make the effort to get weighed. Being over the published limits for the tow vehicle and / or the trailer can have considerable safety and legal consequences. Again, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Wonderful wonderful video!
I use myself as an example that absolutely supports these rules. To my best brain calculation, my family of 6 are in the neighborhood of 750 lbs. That IMMEDIATELY drops my unloaded payload of 1805lbs on my 1/2 ton truck to just over 1050 lbs. My camper has an unloaded hitch weight of 615 lbs. So just taking the bare weights, I have access to approx. 435ish lbs of cargo. Add 4 bikes and some firewood in the bed and my payload is nearing 250ish lbs left. Subtract 80lbs for the hitch and bars… I’m under 200lbs of available payload for my truck. I know my hitch weight is more because I pack my cargo either over the axles or forward of the axles. Here is where I need the scales to really give me the spot on number. But for the sake of argument, my math checks out above.
My truck says it can “tow” 9300lbs, but my camper fully loaded is actually in the neighborhood of 5500lbs and I’m nearing my payload capacity.
I truly believe I’m within all my specs, but if I were to upgrade, I’d have to keep these numbers in mind and even consider a larger truck or one with significantly more payload.
Keep it up Josh! #nerdherd
You're absolutely nailing it here!
So, basically, unless you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a dually, you aren't towing anything over 37 feet or anything worth owning. The hitch weight + cargo + hitch receiver + passenger/driver are going to be far above the payload capacity of the truck. If you have a Heavy Duty 1 ton with a single wheel, you're pretty much in the same boat as dually 3/4 tons or 1/2 tons and have to resort to lesser quality brands to meet the payload vs. hitch weight demands. Good video.
Thanks for going over this again, as it can’t be stated enough. Unfortunately, this is an industry wide issue (truck and RV manufacturers). Neither sales or marketing teams seem to care about safety first. Two cases where I recently came across this: firstly, back in 2021 looking for a new truck with higher payload, called Ford dealer and inquired about F150 with Max Tow, and F250 or Ram 2500 options (small town they had both Ford and Ram dealers). When I explained the situation they were quick to point out very confidently that the new F150 can tow 14,000lbs. Secondly, my wife and I just went to the RV show in Calgary back in January, and as we’re walking into a Cougar “half ton” fifth wheel, I noticed the UVWR on the outside at some 10,000lbs and commented to my wife that “this will be too heavy”. The sales guy and I believe a Cougar rep sitting in the trailer overheard me and quickly quipped that “an F150 is all that’s needed to tow this”. I looked at him and fired back “no way I’m towing this with an F150”. He says “Ok, personal opinion”. Really? He didn’t even ask what I drive which is a Ram 2500 gas. And what do RV dealerships do to help truly determine if the vehicle someone had is the right vehicle? Why can’t a dealership actually weigh a “dry” trailer with two propane tanks and two batteries? You know they’re going to sell it to the purchaser anyway. I understand that other stuff put throughout the trailer will alter that hitch weight, but we also know ideally that you want that hitch weight at around 12%…adding the 200 lbs of propane and batteries to the front will help with getting a realistic number hitch weight. Just curious, what steps does Bish’s go through to completely verify everything is good before selling a trailer (check vehicles payload sticker, help customer determine/educate/understand trailer GVW, etc)- because the place I bought mine in Alberta does absolutely nothing. I won’t even bring up the trailer length, that should also be factored in, or where it’s expected to be towed (maybe a second video? That one is definitely more tricky). Anyway, as always your videos are fantastic, and your one of few that points these towing considerations out in ever video!
HA! Must have been the same salesman we saw at the Calgary RV show. He was bragging about how the Cougar "1/2 Ton" fifth wheels can be towed with a half ton. I wanted to get into it with him, but I just walked away. I wish manufacturers would stop calling their units by that name as it's very deceiving. We have an F150 and tow a Cougar 22 MLS and while this trailer is not super heavy at 7200 GVWR, its hitch weight is much higher than you would expect, with many owners reporting it at as much as 1100lbs. It's also a relatively high profile trailer. It's a good match with our F150, but I wouldn't want to go any heavier or longer. Especially when towing in the prairie winds we get around here! We just bought a new weight distribution hitch and went for the 1200# bars, just to be safe!
This is an awesome video. So much information that I've got to go back and take notes. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Make sure to check the pinned comment btw - I made one significant error in the video and I'm still kicking myself for it
I wish I had this when I started. All this confused me to no end but had to learn it all myself. Great video!
Glad you did this. I don't think the word gets out. I see so many RV overload to the tow vehicle. When i ask about it at a stop, they just say, well my vehicle pulls it okay. Zero thought of the danger in that kind of thought. Just because i can go forward, does not mean I am safe. Thanks for spreading the word.
Hit the share button and lend it a hand!!
LOVE THIS VIDEO! Sooooo many people need to watch and understand this!!!!
Pls feel free to hit the share button and help spread the message! :)
Beautiful Demonstration! 👏🏽 😢
My Subtitle’s Ready TOE rating🤣
This video is going to be a huge Reality Check to many RV owners! Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. No 2 trucks are exactly alike! Thank You so much for Videos like this Josh! 🤓
Yeah the auto captions aren't always kind to me here at "Vicious RV" lol :)
Great video. You are easily the most comprehensive resource on TH-cam. You should be proud of your body of work here. As my wife and I get closer to our second RV the first time, we will be heading to our nearest Bish’s. It was smart of them to let you keep doing what you’ve been doing since the Haylett days. Thanks for your great videos
Wow, thank you!
This video makes pairing vehicle with trailer a simple and easy to understand process! Thank you Josh!
Glad it was helpful!
Josh, you simply crushed this video. Such great info and explanations.
TY Brooks!
As someone who lives in a older 22ft 5er in Maine year round I'm glad my place doesn't have 1/3 of the windows they allow heat in / out. I do love the rest of what I saw good job I'll rate it 9 out of 10
That's the catch-22 most people don't realize about windows. They look great so people want them. But they're a thermal nightmare.
Thank you for continuing to put out fantastic information, Josh! I enjoyed the means/method of communicating. Your humor is great, but how you put your heart into this content shows how much you care. You are an asset to Bish's! Keep up the good work!
I appreciate that!
Always great info, Josh. Much appreciated! I think often the wrong questions is asked. Too often someone asks, "Can I tow it?" instead of, "Should I tow it?" ALL of the math needs to be done. And if I had a dime for every WDH I see adjusted wrong...ugh.
Facts
Thanks for this valuable information. This is not explained as simply as should be from other sources.
I still am not 100% happy with how it all came together but I think people can learn what they need to from this
Great Great video hope people understand this very important video be safe 👍thank you 😊
My pleasure! Please feel free to share thru your favorite social media groups!
Uncle Josh, THANK YOU so much for making this vehicle. As a member of the Nerd Herd and a hopeful potential new RV’er someday (I’ve only tent camped in my younger days); I’ve watched many of your videos over the passed several months and I appreciate everything that you have put out there. It has helped with my research. That being said, based on what I have seen so far, I believe that this video is the MOST important and informative video that i’ve watched. I appreciate the caring about your customers safety that you preach. I really do believe that you are putting the customers safety above the sale. Whenever I do decide to purchase an RV, you can bet that I will be stopping by in person at one of your stores. I’ve seen on a couple of other channels, that General Motors is the ONLY manufacturer that has added an additional sticker on their new trucks that helps you with the math on towing. This new sticker should be mandated from the manufacturers.
Always safety first! Again another job WELL DONE! Tell Mr. Bish to give you a raise, 😃
My pleasure
I’d do my own math before I relied on the manufacturer to be accurate/honest.
Omg!! I found myself looking at so many videos trying to understand this whole setup.. from them looking at the campers and all of the things that they're trying to say with so much detail.. And to know I came across this one and a simple dolly and a book bag broke it all the way down for me to understand and know all about the GVW and everything else lol lol Thank goodness we have people like you doing these videos lol😂... Your the real MVP!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
@@JoshtheRVNerdSo I have a question would the GVWR being considered if the RV camper is loaded with the beds and things that was purchased or would this GVR being after you adding all the water and the extra things? I asked because my avalanche which is two wheel drive says actual ratio 3.73 $7,200 lb but also actual ratio for 0.10 8,200 lb and it says the GCWR 13,000 and the second is $14,000 lb and I'm kind of confused. My trailer is 27 ft long RV camper
@@daamills2011GVWR doesn't change. GVWR is the empty + max cargo possible before something fails. That's your heaviest possible rating.
What you're describing would be the laden weight - how much it ACTUALLY weighs with your stuff in it
Thank you much JOSH THE BEST NERD
My pleasure. Hope this helps! :)
Excellent video!! Anyone who pulls any kind of travel should watch this. And, anyone who SELLS trailers should watch it 😊
This is awesome, I recently got a Jayco Eagle 355 MBQS and converted it to a gooseneck using the Lippert approved Gooseneck system. I ran the numbers a lot, using a 25% pin weight I am possibly overloaded (by a couple of hundred pounds) on my 2019 F350 SRW. I have not scaled it, this is the information I used to make my decisions that I had learnt. On the heavier duty trucks they have been designed for a higher weight but are limited by class limitations, such as a 25 series can not be more than 10k, until recently a 35 series can not be more than 11.5k for SRW and 14k for DRW. Same for the f450 can not be more than 14k, but is a way beefier truck than the f350 with the same GVWR. With my trailer and I don't know the pin weight yet, I am not even on the helper springs, however I do not know the weak points, I feel safe I can stop safely and quickly when needed, I suspect I am not near my payload as I planned for the worst. I also have a plan for reducing the truck weight (remove the skid plates and spare tire if I have to, run with less fuel in the tank, reduce my fat arse which I need to do anyway) I was also prepared to by a DRW if it did not work out. If you are unsure buy a bigger truck, no one has ever said boy I wish I had less truck when the blown gasket hits the fan.
You may want to run it across some scales
@@JoshtheRVNerd I plan to but first I need to be fully licensed so I don't have to find a class A driver to go with me. In CA if you convert to gooseneck you need a Non commercial class A for anything with a GVWR over 10k. I failed my first road test so am waiting for my retest
Great info. Sales people don't understand these numbers. I had to explain the limitations of my 16 Navigator L when selecting a trailer that fit all the parameters. I emphasized I needed a travel trailer with a dry weight of 6,000 lbs, tongue weight of 650 lbs PERIOD. These numbers fit my Tow Capacity, Payload, GVWR, GCWR, and Axel rating. They kept focusing on the fact that the trailers they were showing me weighed a certain number. Nothing else mattered to them.
You're not wrong. Being real - plenty of people even within my own organization don't understand all this
I did not for far too long... but nobody was teaching me either. Had to figure it out on my own
@@JoshtheRVNerd When I go camping and chat with people I am shocked at how little they know themselves. All you hear them say is I can tow x number. Nobody is concerned with payload. :) Thanks for taking the time to explain what can be a complex topic for most people.
The biggest reason I'm subscribed to your channel Josh is not because you always miss the ice cream man in the summer 😂 it's because you've always had the safety before the sale mentality. I've been a truck driver for over 20 years and the amount of accidents I see with RVs from just not having the right vehicle combinations is actually really sad. I know you've done a video explaining this before but I like the visuals you did actually giving more context to the issue and I hope others will see it, they need to know what they can pull. I have suggested to my local RV dealership to have a class for potential buyers on towing safety, and I'm also an advocate that anyone pulling an RV needing to get a driver's license endorsement unless they hold a class A CDL. Keep up the good work my friend.
Awesome info. Extremely well done and explained very well for us single cell organisms.
Thank you! :)
Such an important topic! I did soo much research on this since we tow with an SUV. In fact, I've talked about it so much even my kids can spot the sag of an overloaded rig. Good vid Joshy
That’s awesome
This is one of the best descriptions of towing capacity that I've seen! As I've learned, it can be a very confusing topic. Equally important to note is that there are a lot of RV salesman who don't understand this themselves. If they don't understand it, they can't help you the customer understand what you can or can't tow. Thanks again for a very detailed and through understanding!
My pleasure!
Good info, I know my current trailer is fine, it would help to know for sure what my F150 half ton can tow. Thanks nerd.
Josh you have outstanding Integrity. Haven't invested yet still doing leaders recon and your videos are informative and to the point. Thank you for what you do.
Wow TY James. I sure try
A definite must share video! Thank you Josh for addressing this important topic and presenting it in your unique fashion!!
TY for helping spread that message! :)
Best explanation I have heard. Now I understand and will be ready for my next trailer. And this is why I tell everyone interested in getting a trailer to watch your channel.
Glad it was helpful!
Uncle Josh I really appreciate this video..I knew some of this but definitely not all of it..its really great how you clarified everything and what the terms really mean both for people who have been camping for awhile and those just getting started.Thank u for doing this video Josh appreciate you!!
My pleasure. Hope it helps! :)
Good job, Tommy-boy! LOL!
In the midst of all my researching the past couple of years, I read that truck manufacturers allow 150 lbs for the driver as part of the GVW. IOW, if the driver weighs 200 lbs, you only need to add 50 lbs to the weight of the cargo. BUT, one thing I've never found is...do they figure the GVW with or without a full tank of gas? Gas can take a big bite out of the payload capacity which seems like a bad idea when you're selling a vehicle that people use to haul stuff, so I'm hoping they do the calculations with the tank already full.
Ultimately though, some people might think it's really dumb to research this stuff for over two years (almost 3?) before actually buying, but I'm glad I did. There were other factors involved in the decision to wait, so I had time to do it, but I learned a lot by doing so and what I thought I was going to buy and what I now intend to buy has changed a LOT as a result, and a lot of it is thanks to people like you who tell it like it is. So, thank you again, Josh! I appreciate these informative refreshers! Thanks to people like you and Robyn and Matt and Bob and about a dozen other channels, I've gone from thinking I just gotta have the biggest Class C I can afford, to thinking I should get the biggest towable my truck can handle, to deciding I need to get rid of a bunch of crap, put the things I just can't part with in storage, and just get something small and functional that will be easy to tow and won't overwork my truck. Of course, in the midst of that I toyed with just buying a sticks and bricks, too. If WWIII kicks off before next fall, I might do that anyway. LOL! If not, I'll be buying a small, lightweight camper and hitting the road full time. Now if climate change would just stop making the weather so danged unpredictable. I'm going to be pretty PO'd if blizzards in the southwest become the new normal. LOL
GVWR of the truck includes a full tank of gas.
Great video. Nice job Josh. On point and if people follow this and the math they will be ok. There are some details that go into the numbers that can confuse people if not technical in nature. This video avoids that and will be a great tool for people to use. Well done Bish's for supporting this and educating your customers.
There are many options for a RVer to ensure their true tongue weight (loaded and unloaded). Another tool i would recommend. It can be shared with friends and family to get the most out of it.
I wanted to break it down into terms someone who doesn't have a PhD in towing rocket science could understand. It's not complicated once you understand the terms and how they work against one another
Thanks Josh. Wanting to move from my travel trailer to a 5th wheel. Crunching numbers!
We’re here to assist when you’re ready!
Adding airbags decreases payload of your tow vehicle. The weight of the airbags gets subtracted from the payload
100% correct
I love when you do these type vid's. When I started with my first RV I had no idea what anything meant. It still confuses me, but this helps ALOT.
My pleasure! I remember when I got my first house. About a year after the central air was acting funny. So I called a guy.
He was a good guy who did good business. He recognized I was a young kid - likely new to this. So he says "Before I have to charge you $120 for a service call have you just checked your furnace filter?"
I was like "...no I'm calling about my A/C not my furnace." He didn't laugh or anything but rather helped me understand the relationship. I always appreciated that and tried to do the same for people
When I started this in 2009 I didn't know jack about squat and had to learn a lot of it the wrong way, unlearn it, then relearn it (hopefully) properly
I enjoy helping folks cut that learning curve
Great job Josh!
You explained it in a way the anyone can understand.
I could have posted this video four times on Facebook in the last 24 hours!
Thanks RV Nerd!
Please do! :)
I have watched a lot of videos that explain this information. Your video is by far the BEST one I have ever watched. Thank you!
Wow ty!
Thank you, and please pass on our thanks to the management for letting you be honest.
I'm super fortunate they actively encourage me to make videos like this!
We live on the east coast and when we were looking at bumper pull campers and picked one out, that we liked. The first thing the dealer did was lookup our vin and checked to see if our truck could safely pull it. BTW this dealer was the only one who would do this. WE had one dealer that tried to sell us a camper WAY over our payload capacity. We walked out the door. I already what my truck could handle due to watching your videos.
That’s awesome to hear there’s a few doing it right
My eyes glazed over within the first few mins... :( It's not you Josh, it's me, I just don't quite get it.
I wish I could give this 5 thumbs up! The legality and understanding GVW payload is misunderstood and misrepresented by so many buyers and salespeople.
As long as it's an odd number so the last one remains on youtube lol :)
Outstanding demo. As a dealer, I deal with this almost everyday. Thank you Josh
Glad to help!
We appreciate YOUR ABC...123 break down!!! #ThatsGLUEBaby!!!
Just got a 2023 f150. Going to check MY towing rating right now!!
Thank you thank you! I plan on checking these numbers on my current camper and truck package. And I must say also what a privilege it was for my wife and I to meet you at the Omaha show. You are genuinely an inspiration to current and potential camping enthusiasts. Was so much fun talking about Uncle Gary! Snd that Brinkley! OMG what a palace on wheels! You were worth 8 hour drive! Thanks again 👍
Holy crap.. you drove EIGHT HOURS? I'm humbled.. that's crazy!
Bish is lucky to have you. you're the reason i bought a travel trailer. keep those videos coming
Ty so much for the kind words
Mind dropping me a note at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review for the effort??
Great video uncle nerd. It’s amazing how many RV dealers, “CW” only care about the sale and not about the safety of the owner or others on the road.
It's not just them. I've comp shopped online other places often. It's shockingly rare anyone ever asks about my vehicle
Even less common the larger the dealership group
Added this video to my favorites to access and share when needed. Ive been camping, tent camping for over 30 years. Im now retired and we are talking about a camper. Trouble is i do not own a truck either so rhis is a lot of money. Started doing the research and this helps a lot. Thank you. Bristol, IN
Glad it was helpful! I recommend picking the RV you want first (note I didn’t say BUY the thing, but pick it out)
Then, get the truck you need to handle it properly so you aren’t stuck settling after spending a loooooot of money
Tongue weight concerns is exactly why i purchased Weigh Safe True Tow hitch for my toyhauler. Good explanation. I say a person will most likely bump up against cargo capacity long before max towing. I see on forums all the time where people are looking at the actual hitch rating and assuming that means the truck is rated for that same #. Not so much!
Payload before towing is exhausted is almost always the case for sure
Good job putting it in terms anyone can understand. I had a supervisor who used to say 'explain it to me like I'm a first-grader'.
I tell people to speak to me like you’re my wife.. using little words 😆
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There is no way to say it other than YOU ROCK, entertaining, informative, and just plain likeability.
TY so much :)
Josh, thank you for your honest recommendation. When we bought our 5th wheel the dealer pretty much said that we could pull it with a half ton truck. Luckily, I researched enough to realize that I need much more truck than what he recommended. We ended up purchasing a 1 ton truck and are happy that we did.
Good for you
Thank you for helping educate people. This can literally save lives.
Absolutely
This is was something I’ve been trying to find for weeks now; you made it so simple! Thank you very much, this video is extremely helpful!
So Wise , Thank You. Things that MUST be considered
Thanks Nerd! I need to rewatch it made no sense, but I understood it😅😮
This will definitely help my husband when we get the one I want.
Hopefully it helps you stay safe! Enjoy :)
Fantastic information and presentation. All the information was enlightening and the presentation was entertaining. Well done, sir.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Example 1 is almost exactly my truck and trailer setup.
This is certainly a video ALL current and prospective towable RV owners should watch. Thank you Josh for continuing to bring light to this subject.
My pleasure!