'Three key issues': Similarities drawn between Indigenous Voice and NZ's Waitangi Tribunal
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- The Institute of Public Affairs has identified “three key issues” with the Indigenous Voice to Parliament proposal after analysis of New Zealand’s equivalent - the Waitangi Tribunal, says IPA Research Fellow Brianna McKee.
“The first is that the Voice could become involved in every aspect of life, so including education, defence, interest rates, even the selection of High Court justices,” Ms McKee told Sky News Australia.
Ms McKee said the second issue is that the Voice could "gain veto power" over important government decisions.
“So the Waitangi Tribunal has veto power over legislation in New Zealand, and the Maori - there are some reforms or laws that only they can suggest.
“And the third issue is that if the Voice is implemented it would be impossible to repeal, defund or reform and that’s because once it’s implemented, it’s in our constitution.”
We don't want more bureaucrats interfering with our lives! Its a big NO to the voice..
It's still a big fat NO from me and that won't ever change !!
Even elders from one of the communities I visited told me they will not be voting for the voice to parliament because they believe it will further divide the country. I will be voting no.
This was a really good interview. I think a lot of people don't know that New Zealand is already experiencing issues and is a template of things to come for Australia if 'the voice' goes through.
All these words Reconciliation, Truth Seeking, Ukuru statement from the heart are just different words for getting your Land,Your Property ,Your Rights and zero accountability for committing crimes...
Aboriginal people are not going anywhere; they do remember what happened in the past, they will not always be politically weak.
Your choices are to work with them now while you still have power or work with them later when they have more power.
My NZ friends say it has caused no end of problems.
Its a disastrous proposal to start with..it's asking people whether they would like to become second-class citizens and would they like to forfeit everything they have including equal access to Medicare, Centrelink, Oldage pension and access to natural and Givt resources, even things like roads,Highways won't be accessible to people if this divisive Voice passes through
Bulkshit
Kiwi or Aussie, Brianna is obviously one very sharp individual.
Thank you for the insight.
I suspected that there would be similar constitutional changes proposed here as per New Zealand.
If the Yes vote gets up, government power will no doubt be further centralised in Canberra and underwritten by a quasi (final say) indigenous council or authority.
Gotta Vote NO... our hard fort democracy is on the line, and to many of our family members and ancestors have died or sacrificed far too much, to get us to where we are today.
Jacinda Ardern has Albos ears, that's why he and Labor are pushing hard for the voice ✅
This indigenous Australian will be voting No
No Aussie is going to eat sugar-coated manure,we are not stupid,we have come too far ro divide the nation now...we are one and we'll stay one,No to divisive Global Activists masquerading as politicians, no to big corporations who just want division, confusion and big tax breaks,No to to evil,divisive, racist Voice
Australians that stupid send their children to die for usa i their king and queens and zionists propaganda lies lies do not solve problems captain Cooke ( nobody lives here your Majesty)💀💀☠️☠️🇬🇧👑🔫
Exactly !!! well said 🇦🇺🦘🦘🙏
NO!
IT IS A HUGE NO TO THE VOICE PERIOD
Voting NO to the voice!!
I remember many years ago there was a bit of a kerfuffle in the media about a photographer in the NT who took photographs of Aboriginal children playing. He was accused of violating their cultural beliefs that photographing the kids stole their souls and refusing to pay fifty bucks a photo. At the time, no one in the media seemed to notice the incongruity between the claimed belief and the demand for payment. Maybe it is about time we started asking these questions.
Nobody seemed to notice the young people had mobile phones too
The Western European world usa Zionists still have this pompous hypocritical ideology that like their fore fathers can plunder 98;% of worlds wealth and build their cities on it No more commonwealth and colonial ism disintegrating wakey wakey even Ireland still trying to rid themselves of the royal parasites 200 yrs and counting
@@soma4u289 silly a good terrorist tool the government gives them
I've been wondering when the NZ water rights BS would seep into Australia. I do hope that the media is not 100% behind loony tunes Albo and at least allows Australians to understand the pros and cons of The Voice, and decide for ourselves.
And just look how wonderfully well NZ is doing on the world stage. I do wonder if there's any coming back for my Kiwi mates. And now there's these moves afoot to take us down that same road to disaster. When will it ever end?
A HARD NO.
Under that new West Aust law you won’t be able to dig a backyard hole to bury the family’s dead pet Guinea pig without applying for an assessment and getting a permit. Try explaining that to the kids.
This is what the voice will do!
In NZ if you want to build a car shed on your property, you have to ask the local council if a Maori consent is required. If your property is “sensitive” then an inspection is required and an observer must be on site during excavation. One observer in our region charges $5,000 for a one page document. And it can take a month to learn if a report is needed. No refunds if nothing happens. These are facts and nobody pushes back.even more regulation is being planned by the Labour government including a land use rental because the land was taken from the original occupiers….if you collect water from your roof, there will be a resource use levy paid to the local government and paid to iwi. And much more in health and education.
Thank goodness for intelligent researchers. I can see what is at stake by reading the Uluru Statement. But the NZ experience puts a chilling 'vibe' into constitutional change.
Vote No to Racism. Vote No to Apartheid. Vote No to The Voice.
Well, after this I can nix New Zealand off of possible places to immigrate too.
Been there, it rains 12 days out of 14.
No to the voice scam.
It’s still a NO from me until the end of time
Ayres Rock is mine and I want the name Back now 😁👍
It never left always Ayres Rock the natives and Gov fools can call it what they like 👍👍
Yes, its worked out so well for NZ hasn't it.
NO
The Tribes around Uluru have always been fantastic and friendly. If this is making them uncomfortable then this is on the Governments. The sporting groups who are advertising and supporting the Yes vote, they need to be sure they want to be apart of the division that will cause cultural, tribal wars of the indigenous. That is what I have been trying to say all along. Yes we what them recognised but alot of them don't like the fuss or trouble it makes. It infuriates me that the Governments have not listened to all race workers in remote areas. I will not believe that the cries of help from the indigenous tribes and the cry for help from all involved has not been heard. What a big porky. They Governments ignored everyone. Just ask those in the old Timmers Village in Alice. The Governments ignored Police and Doctors advice etc etc etc. You have wonderful indigenous people in Parliment now. Let them do their jobs.
All our problems start at university so let's start looking into what they are teach or brain washing the kids and why
Try it starts at kindy!
Good luck with that. They are too far gone.
Tho societies like New Zealand are trying to become, have never worked long. That structure collapses over a short amount of time. If they go all out with this in 30 years their society will gone and somebody else will take them over in a hostile manner.
I am voting NO to the voice to Parliament 🇦🇺 we do not want to be divided by RACE, .... ❤ WE ARE ONE PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA 🦘🇦🇺🙏🦘
More and more global aspects come to
light!
What… they they are all formulated by their handlers the WEF????
Vote NO to constitutional segregation, one law for all
Fraudulent
What ever they do in NZ...We shouldn't.
As a New Zealander I'll throw in something else.. it's done nothing to help the Maori people.
There would be no Australia and no living Aboriginals if the British didn't colonise Australia. Have they ever thought of that!
100% correct. Australia was founded on liberal values considering the time. Had it been the Portuguese or Dutch colonisers the aborigines would have been wiped out.
Vital VOICE issues are ignored, like how the crew of 24 ? (4 rural Aboriginals, 4 Torres Pacific Islanders, 16 urban Angloboriginals ?) the untouchable powerful "VOICE REPS" will be selected? Who are they? Will it be a Indigenous only "continental democratic" separatist vote? So how do we split the Australian Electoral Rolls according to Albo's 3-flag race Apartheid?
One problem with this "race split" is that thousands of Australians have no birth certificates (Est ~400K) because the parents never registered their birthday and many of them are likely to be Indigenous. Hospitals never did do birthday-regos, and often too far to track for busy mothers to do a proper registration maybe?
Incidentally, prominent indigenous organisation's recently indicated on SBS TV that up to 1/3 of Aboriginal "identifiers" like Melbourne Uni Professor Bruce Pascoe etc. are greedy delusional "race-shifting dreamtimers", so that's just another complicating problem in a woke Australian apartheid 3-flag future. "What to be or not to be, that is the question..."
Don't mention appearance, (Black can be very White today! And no doubt a barking Dachshund can identify as a Doberman ) or DNA or even language skills! Modern Australia replaces science with a "tick-box self-identification" that is good enough to migrate to the indigenous race!
Then we have the Torres Strait Islanders that can all speak "language" i.e. the great Pan-Pacific language vs Aboriginals fighting each other with hundreds of primitive and deficient para-languages.
The true traditional Pacific Islanders may actually NOT be interested in a separatist VOICE in bed with their traditionally disrespected culturally inferior continental Aboriginals. (Only a few greedy opportunistic Pacific islanders are expected.) In fact, the Islanders are in every way vastly more culturally advanced and have always despised the scattered quarrelsome mainland Aboriginals that can't talk to each other. Look at their culturally relevant flag and notice that they don't even share a single common symbolic colour! Note that the Blue colour is a exclusive feature of historically advanced cultures across the Earth! What is that telling you about a "unifying VOICE" ? Have anyone bothered to ask the "Mabo Mob" how keen they really are? The BLAK HOUSE OF LORDS (or noisy "VOICE") promoters are mainly black-hat Anglo-boriginals from the wealthy woke Urban Areas where Torres Strait people do not go. They look fine with running their own "business" in their own Pacific way, away from Canberra. Maybe these amazing seafaring islanders may still like their very own proud traditional cultural too much? This weird Mr Albo has open up a can full of divisive and poisonous worms...splitting our once unified 3-Flagation Nation. - VOTE NO -
One thing won't be a similarity, they got it, we won't.
“Come on man, it’s the thing!”
If you are wondering about the fine print of the Voice and what will happen after the referendum - I have been reading the UN General Assembly on the rights of Indigenous people. There are numerous chapters, but it essentially says that Indigenous people have the right for self determination. This is interesting, because when Gough Whitlam started campaigning for aboriginal rights, that was his main goal and various Labour governments have continued in this vein. Now, Gough is Albanese’s hero and he wants to emulate Gough and live up to Gough’s expectations or even go one better and deliver Gough’s goal and deliver the UN General Assembly goals.
This also fits with the goals of the 1982 National Aboriginal Conference, where a draft Makaratta detailed requirements for self determination or Aboriginal Sovereignty. There are some pretty scary demands in this Draft (eg tax relief for 195 years, payment of 5% of GDP for 195 years etc- research it for yourself). Aboriginal Sovereignty was also the main driver at the Canberra Tent Embassy. Articles from this Makaratta appear also to be included in the Uluṟu Statement from the Heart. Marcia Langton and Patrick Dodson would be most aware of the 1982 Makaratta. And the kicker - In 2022 an expression of interest was released by Penny Wong for an Aboriginal Ambassador to “lead indigenous perspectives experiences and interests into foreign policy and First Nations trade and investment” - I expect because the Voice has further un-mentioned goals. So, when Albanese says “trust us”, it will all be worked out after the referendum. Just like his pre-election promises - that has worked out too well.
So why doesn’t the government want to give out further details on the Voice? In absence of any detail from the government, it can only be concluded that Aboriginal self determination or Aboriginal Sovereignty is the clear driver behind the Voice and these details are what is being kept from the Australian people. So a No vote would be appropriate.
no to the voice
NZ has entered recession because of its policies
Australia can not house its pensioners Train our children me 89 eat baby food bank governors tells pensioners share a unit Rent now 1400 banks charge 3 $ to withdraw Your pension banks earn milliona a day
Yes 💯 recession
We will too.
The Waitangi tribunal was instigated, along with,The Domestic purposes benefit (DPB), which is basically "A Solo mothers benefit, and the lowering of the Voting age to 18, under a, then, labor government back in 1975, (Election year) as another BRIBE to try and secure a second term, at that time that particular BRIBE backfired, but the Country has been sliding slowly Downhill ever since. !!!!!
They already have their treaty so its completely different type of "voice" id say straight from start
Aboriginals are the descendants of Indians ,by giving all power to Abos you are pretty much giving all power to more than a billion Indians...
Descended of indians? No, descended of Javanese, they are Indonesian
I thought we were all descendant from Africa... not India and not Indonesia
@@kellysouter4381 They came down through Indonesia from India, to India from Africa.
Africa originally
This is one of the worst most uninformed dogshit comments I've ever read on TH-cam. I'm embarrassed for you. What a fucking moron.
Divided and conqueror $.
I wonder if theyre hopng we start bumping off aborigines? That would give them an excuse to set the police on us
Okay I'm just going to put some actual information about the Waitangi Tribunal Does.
The Waitangi tribunal is a tribunal made out of Academics lead by a the Chief Judge of the Maori land Court. There function is to investigate Maori historical claims to land, to investigate actions of the Crown where Maori have not been treated equitably and advise the Crown on the meaning of Treaty where the circumstances arise.
The Waitangi Tribunal does indeed touch open all aspects of public service and life but this is because Maori People are affected by ALL parts of life. Do you Honestly believe that the current system adequately protects the interests and Rights of Indigenous people? Because in New Zealand the Tribunal functions as the investigative Ombudsmen for Maori, recommendations issued by the Tribunal are meant to be Guide decision making, giving Maori a constitutionally guaranteed voice.
The Tribunal only has one BINDING power; it has the power to compel the Crown to return state owned land back to the Maori CLaimants. The Tribunal otherwise only has powers to recommend and advise; they're regularly overruled by the Courts, by Parliament and the ministers of the day. The Second claim is FACTUALLY INCORRECT. There has NEVER been a legislation veto in the Waitangi TRIBUNAl to legislation.
The third issue is eh; constitutions could be entrenched but Democracy has always been about the people. If the People don't want a indigenous tribunal to be set up, no amount of entrenchment would be able to stop a new parliament from overruling it.
The Proposed voice is not Apartheid; co-governance is not apartheid. New Zealand has been Maori since before Cooke Landed on it, the customs, laws and rights of the people did not disappear when the colonizers took over. You can deny all you like, but the country of NZ and Australia have always belonged to the native and indigenous population. Their seems to be an artificial mental block in people's heads; native populations are part of their country, their systems are also your systems, the Maori system of Tikanga is finally being recognised as law in it's own right in the New Zealand Courts and it's being understood to exist for everyone. Mr Ellis get;s to bring his Claim under Tikanga despite being Pakeha.
Indigenous people just need a bit more support to be able to achieve what everyone else can, them having bit more doesn't mean we have to have less.
Indigenous have the right to the water from a nirobox desalination plant privately managed
First you need nirobox, then you get the spiffy 1,500,000L of water a day,you have to beable to control the water or you abandon the water if you can't keep up with it make a river if you want let the surplus water you abandon go back to the sea it's derivative of like all water is
Rain water is just reverse osmosis from the sea sporadically on land an that's all desalination is
It's about cause an effect of where rivers come from it's reverse osmosis from the sea that sporadically falls to earth then rivers are simply big puddles , you'd need a privately owned desalination plant to take ownership of water on land the only reason we pay water rates is because of the cost of water infrastructure an the cost to employ people in water ,
The USA made 374 treaties with the Indian nations from 1778 ,,,the USA broke every single one , so treaties can be made but are as good as the paper they are written on ,,,, treaties are meant to be broken, like the Minsk agreement.
I would make a correction Treaties are only as good as the parties entering it. New Zealand is different because the Native and Colonial populations are not so disparate as they are in other countries; Maori therefore due to having a population ratio have greater representation in politics and therefore more recognition and power.
Also unlike Aboriginals and native Americans; Maori has a single language through out the Country therefore unifying their interests was a lot easier. Aboriginal Australian's will find it much more difficult to mobilize due to the diversity of languages and cultures.
New Zealand has 7 maori Electorate Seats and The Waitangi tribunal which are the major sources of representation in law and politics.
(ANd Before you SHOUT APARTEID) The 7 Maori Seats are actually not actually proportionately representative of maori; If the maori seats were proportionate they would have 15 seats not 7, and ANY one can register to vote in their Maori Electorate (I enrolled myself on it out of curiosity once).
The Waitangi Tribunal is purely advisory role where they advise the crown to the meaning of the Treaty (Except in the case of reselling state owned land, a power which has been used two times i believe). But Prime ministers of the day have and probably will continue to ignore treaty recommendations.
She didn't even pronounce Moari correct. Cherry picking information from New Zealand clearly, what about all the good it's done. We should aspire to be better and help our First nations people like New Zealand. If you understand history, then it's clear that our government has hurt them for the last 250 years. To be recognized in the constitution and to ask and listen to how we can help them to thrive is a small ask.
Government will still spend money on indigenous programs even if no wins, this is just recognition and listening to them, it's that simple. Vote yes, it won't effect the average Australian but it could change the lives of our first nations people for the better.
Have one flag. Not two. Also ditch the Union Jack, you're freemen.
The Union Jack marks the beginning of this nation. It's like your family name, passed down to you from your father and his father before him.
@@fringedweller5425 your p.m. just pledged fealty to the king...🤔
It's divisive by design, we are soverign beings made created in thee image of god, we get that right we can be the powerful ones, we can negate all of this, flip it flip good, we are spiritual beings having a humane experience..
labors way of destroying australia for good!
For BAD 👎 🤮
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Colonial skull duggery
Colonialism disintegrating
***The OUTSIDERS have an OUTSIDE chance of ever getting anything right about issues that affect Australia***
Surely it must take a substantial amount of effort to purposely write in the style that you choose to comment in? Why not just type normally like the rest of us?
@@nathantudor5763 😂
The Australian people are realising that the voice is another woke scam , your done
The IPA is a very very right wing organiastion and SKY should tell viewers that. But SKY never gives you proper information. The IPA is like One Nation on a bad day but the IPA people have slightly better suits,, though only just.
Whilst true, their comments about NZ are also such.
What you call "very, very right wing" is what used to be Centrist views in our democracy. But in those days there wasn't the absolutes, the only black or white, only left or right, there were many shades of grey between. I was considered a socialist thinker back then, and now I am considered far-right. My thinking hasn't changed.. the goalposts have slipped a long way left in the past 20+ years, so from the perspective of current Left, anything around the centre looks far right.
@@oldieman730 everyone gets more right wing as they get older mate, some earlier than others. our factions both labor and liberal are both very centrist. labor is just cow towing to get more young voters. some things never change mate.
@@jasondykstra5257 The Labor Party have never been centrist. They're bloody communists. Look how many prominent Labor politicians are/were Fabians. They are communists by stealth. Their original coat of arms was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Today it's a tortoise, symbolizing the groups slow, imperceptible and persistent wearing down of the opposition.
Typical Leftist,.no facts to dispute anything that was said, just describing an organization a 'very, very right wing', which coming from a Lefty means that they demand that you ignore anything they say, because the only truth is Left truth, I guess.
Then there's the dig at the IPA's attire in contrast to One Nation, which is equally of no value to the subject at hand.
Then there's the ubiquitous 'Sky trash' that again, is a non contributor to the issue at hand.
Thanks for your input.
Better go educate yourself Australia. The claim that New Zealand's Waitangi Tribunal has the power to veto legislation and government decisions is false. Experts told AAP FactCheck the tribunal acts like a judicial body in assessing breaches of the Waitangi Treaty. However, its findings and recommendations are non-binding.
"Experts" told AAP "Factcheck"! It's already discredited in that sentence.
I have checked this and you are completely wrong
I wouldn't expect anything less from right wing Sky. Any chance you can send Australian funding for Trant's life sentence?
Vote yes
NO.
Racist 👆🏼
So you want to experience the same crap as New Zealand? Masochism is not a good trait.
@@awc900 it's useless trying to reason with YES voters, it's as if the YES voters are in a leftist cult....they are in cognitive dissonance, when they hear the facts, they go into meltdown.
Can't wait for the cival war
What you think you own may only be temporary it the gets up!!!! NO, NO, No!!!!
Thomas Mayo, has said it all. Trojan horse comes to mind!
Where's the dollar sign in the yellow circle of of their rag flag?
NO