Hands down the best scoop draw instructional video out there, and I have watched so many. Like the way you broke it down into steps. Very helpful! Time to go dry fire.
I’ve been doing the scoop draw for about 8 months now. Same your draw stroke except I like to index on the inside bottom of my holster like your demonstrate that some do. I too came to the same conclusions as you. Only good for stages where you can immediately hammer a target off the draw. The quickness of it really sets you up to go fast. Sort of sets the pace for the stage. Also hugely helpful in classifier stages. One thing I found with the scoop is that it allows me to stay very relaxed during a fast draw, especially in the shoulders. With the snatch, sometimes I have a tendency to tense up if I’m really trying to push the draw speed which ends in disaster often. I don’t know if you have found the same. The scoop allows me to put 2 alpha on target in sub .90, even in a stage. That could buy me half a second on others from the start. Also, it’s fucking damn cool to do. Oohs and awes from the crowd. I’m certainly not at your level of shooting but the scoop has honestly made me a better shooter. It added to my confidence and it’s made me try to do other things faster. Has improved my other draws too, as well as my index on target. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you doing this for all of us. Great video and it’s stunning to see the speed with hits. I can now move forward and experiment with this somewhat but you very clearly explained the squeeze might not be worth the juice or the potential of coming out with an unstable or secure grip. Many thanks !
Yeah, it's just my opinion, but I think the snatch draw is far more versatile and consistent. I'll still use the scoop while I can; it takes frequent practice to maintain.
Thank you. Shot my first match three weeks ago and can't wait to go again. I didn't know there are different draws. I've been dry firing using this scoop method because it just came naturally.
Dang dude...I'm 68 and started uspsa 2 years ago down at universal with Frank Garcia. Thats darn fast. I have not worried about my draw speed too much. Age has taken a toll. Like you said tho in especially the 6 majors I have shot in, your right, there is plenty of time to get the draw cuz most of the time movement is required for first target, this like you said, grip is really important. And I like you said how the shooting euphoria wears off and I just don't practice as much. New subscriber. Nice stuff!
A big part of why I love this sport is the people you meet. When you have good people to be around and shoot with. It keeps me interested and pushing myself. Thanks for the description.
I think steel challenge is where this type of draw would really start to show it's benefits. Saving .25 on every draw, over 30 draws per match, really adds up.
I have always indexed my strong hand at the bottom of the holster like you demonstrated. I switched back to my shadow 2 and am having a slightly harder time clearing the beaver tail consistently. I'm going to try to index my forearm off the mag and see if that helps any. Thanks for the video!
I’m going to try my best. Been competing in our local club matches and doing pretty well. I finally decided to get a USPSA number and get classed. So we will see. I’ve been posting my matches to my channel. I’m still running my duty Glock 34 and ALS holster though.
It’s my understanding that I can only run that rig in level 1 matches because of the leg strap. I ordered a low ride safariland without the leg strap so hopefully that will meet the requirement.
any tips on speeding up the snatch? ive made some progress in thinking of the snatch as more of a sideways approach to establish grip snd snatch, as opposed to the straigh up and down ‘stabbing’ kind of snatch. i used to also bang my thumb knuckle on the boss holster hanger bracket doing that too. but in any event i still hover around a 1.2-1.3 first shot. do ya need the scoop to really get sub sec?
I think I have an old TH-cam video of my snatch draw. Basically, step 1 is to get your grip. Do this single step over and over until it's under .2 to .3 tenths, then progress to the rest of the draw.
Thanks for posting this Isaac. I think a flat backed holster is pretty important, mine isn't flat so you can't just scoop up. I don't know it is because of that or not, but I am frequently getting the webbing of my had stuck on the beaver tail which would be ugly if you pulled the trigger like that!
@@isaaclockwood1839 what I mean is the structure of the holster is flat on the back side so it doesn’t protrude in any way the would block your hand from scooping straight up and getting a good grip right up against the trigger guard. Mine protrudes some just from the design of it. Yours in the video is flat/flush.
Pretty slow. I was reading on a defensive carry forum that some guys can do a .33 draw with double retention from concealment. Clearly I am joking. Right now I am trying to get my draw fire one down to sub 1 second. Are you a GM? Awesome video.
Crushed the hell out of my dominat hand pinky finger at work. Grip is suffering, very limited flexibility and nerve end damage semes to be recovering very slowly.
Hands down the best scoop draw instructional video out there, and I have watched so many. Like the way you broke it down into steps. Very helpful! Time to go dry fire.
Glad to hear brotha! 👊 do work
I’ve been doing the scoop draw for about 8 months now. Same your draw stroke except I like to index on the inside bottom of my holster like your demonstrate that some do.
I too came to the same conclusions as you. Only good for stages where you can immediately hammer a target off the draw. The quickness of it really sets you up to go fast. Sort of sets the pace for the stage. Also hugely helpful in classifier stages.
One thing I found with the scoop is that it allows me to stay very relaxed during a fast draw, especially in the shoulders. With the snatch, sometimes I have a tendency to tense up if I’m really trying to push the draw speed which ends in disaster often. I don’t know if you have found the same.
The scoop allows me to put 2 alpha on target in sub .90, even in a stage. That could buy me half a second on others from the start. Also, it’s fucking damn cool to do. Oohs and awes from the crowd.
I’m certainly not at your level of shooting but the scoop has honestly made me a better shooter. It added to my confidence and it’s made me try to do other things faster. Has improved my other draws too, as well as my index on target.
Thanks for sharing.
Lots of good points, especially about the shoulders.
I watch your videos several times a day. Thanks for so much info
🙏 I'm glad to hear my videos help others. I love to constantly learn. New ways to be proficient and efficient.
As someone who asked for this video, I really appreciate you taking the time. Stay safe out there brother.
You got it! Thanks
Thank you doing this for all of us. Great video and it’s stunning to see the speed with hits. I can now move forward and experiment with this somewhat but you very clearly explained the squeeze might not be worth the juice or the potential of coming out with an unstable or secure grip.
Many thanks !
Yeah, it's just my opinion, but I think the snatch draw is far more versatile and consistent. I'll still use the scoop while I can; it takes frequent practice to maintain.
Great video Isaac! Keep ‘em coming. Thanks!
Thank you 🙏
Thank you. Shot my first match three weeks ago and can't wait to go again. I didn't know there are different draws. I've been dry firing using this scoop method because it just came naturally.
Congrats on your new addiction, lol. It's a long, fun road where you meet many great new friends.
Very good explanations and interesting small tipps for practice. Thank you!
👍 thanks, hope they help.
Thank you so much brother for always delivering great videos
👍 Thanks, brotha. I appreciate the comment and support.
@@isaaclockwood1839 No thank you Brother started dry firing as soon as I saw this again 😂 but no really thank you for everything
Thanks for sharing. I've been practicing this method but you gave me new tips. Thanks again.
No problem
Just found the video. Great stuff over there. Thank you for the honest opinion about the good and bad of scoop draw!
I've done it long enough that it's much more consistent for me. Hope it helps!
Brazil following your good work. Thank you for the information. Inscrito
🙏 thank you my friend
Dang dude...I'm 68 and started uspsa 2 years ago down at universal with Frank Garcia. Thats darn fast. I have not worried about my draw speed too much. Age has taken a toll. Like you said tho in especially the 6 majors I have shot in, your right, there is plenty of time to get the draw cuz most of the time movement is required for first target, this like you said, grip is really important. And I like you said how the shooting euphoria wears off and I just don't practice as much. New subscriber. Nice stuff!
A big part of why I love this sport is the people you meet. When you have good people to be around and shoot with. It keeps me interested and pushing myself. Thanks for the description.
Thanks for the great video!
You got it, hope it helps.
I like how you do not bring your head down to the gun but bring the weapon up to your head.
Yes, it is the best way
I think steel challenge is where this type of draw would really start to show it's benefits. Saving .25 on every draw, over 30 draws per match, really adds up.
Doesn’t bring you much with hands above shoulders starting position
@Johnsonormani is correct, wrist above shoulders is the standard for steel challenge. If it were wrists below it would be a huge advantage.
@isaaclockwood1839 guess I didn't think of it that way. Still new to the game.
Good stuff
Thank you 🙏
I have always indexed my strong hand at the bottom of the holster like you demonstrated. I switched back to my shadow 2 and am having a slightly harder time clearing the beaver tail consistently. I'm going to try to index my forearm off the mag and see if that helps any. Thanks for the video!
I am the save with a large beavertail. I reduce mine for better comfort and grip. Easy to do on the 320.
@@isaaclockwood1839 makes sense…I just don’t know if I have the balls to shave the beaver tail down on the shadow 2 lol.
Pros n cons... Very informative.. tnx
Thanks
Great video, subscribed. Glad to see another LEO taking USPSA training seriously. Hopefully someday I’ll be grandmaster as well ha/ha
Thanks brotha. Grandmaster is definitely within reach if you understand the fundamentals and dedicate yourself to applying them.
I’m going to try my best. Been competing in our local club matches and doing pretty well. I finally decided to get a USPSA number and get classed. So we will see. I’ve been posting my matches to my channel. I’m still running my duty Glock 34 and ALS holster though.
It’s my understanding that I can only run that rig in level 1 matches because of the leg strap. I ordered a low ride safariland without the leg strap so hopefully that will meet the requirement.
any tips on speeding up the snatch? ive made some progress in thinking of the snatch as more of a sideways approach to establish grip snd snatch, as opposed to the straigh up and down ‘stabbing’ kind of snatch.
i used to also bang my thumb knuckle on the boss holster hanger bracket doing that too.
but in any event i still hover around a 1.2-1.3 first shot. do ya need the scoop to really get sub sec?
I think I have an old TH-cam video of my snatch draw. Basically, step 1 is to get your grip. Do this single step over and over until it's under .2 to .3 tenths, then progress to the rest of the draw.
Thanks for posting this Isaac. I think a flat backed holster is pretty important, mine isn't flat so you can't just scoop up. I don't know it is because of that or not, but I am frequently getting the webbing of my had stuck on the beaver tail which would be ugly if you pulled the trigger like that!
I'm not sure what a flat back holster is. This draw doesn't work with any holsters that have retention.
@@isaaclockwood1839 what I mean is the structure of the holster is flat on the back side so it doesn’t protrude in any way the would block your hand from scooping straight up and getting a good grip right up against the trigger guard. Mine protrudes some just from the design of it. Yours in the video is flat/flush.
@@HouTexHemi gotcha, that does make it easier.
Awesome content as always.What shot timer are you using?
AMG Commander
Michael is correct
Draw with wrists above shoulders. Our matches have us staring hands up over shoulders
That's a little different
Have to learn this because the club l shoot with doesnt do the surrender position often
It takes many reps to get up to speed, be patient.
Hello Isaac. Can you tell me what brand of holster you're using in this video. Thanks.
I use RedHill Tactical kydex holsters for competition.
@@isaaclockwood1839 Thank you. I enjoy your video. Keep em coming.
🙏 thank you
How does the holster change the scoop draw? Does it work better with a race holster?
I was referring to holsters with retention. You can only use a scoop with open top or race holsters.
@@isaaclockwood1839 how about those race holsters that open shooters use?
@@ibtaba you can scoop them too.
What earpro are you using?
These are just some Bluetooth earbuds. I listen to music sometimes while I'm shooting.
Pretty slow. I was reading on a defensive carry forum that some guys can do a .33 draw with double retention from concealment. Clearly I am joking. Right now I am trying to get my draw fire one down to sub 1 second. Are you a GM? Awesome video.
Yes, I am a GM in Carry Optics.
I saw a guy scoop his gun half way down the range
Lol, hopefully no one was injured.
@@isaaclockwood1839 yes lucky luck landed on side, but the inevitable DQ followed thats no fun
Yeah that’s one of the dangers if you can’t execute it perfectly under stress
Crushed the hell out of my dominat hand pinky finger at work. Grip is suffering, very limited flexibility and nerve end damage semes to be recovering very slowly.
Sorry to hear that brotha. Let things heal up before you go to hard with the training.