Just goes to show nobody can have an opinion anymore. Sending death threats and doxing people is not a very good way to disagree with someone. The fact people get so up tight about an opinion is actually shameful.
Opinions arent good opinions when they make it more public and just outright shame the game with no positive points mentioned. Especially when they have never played the game. Having public opinions are great and i respect it. Just make it more equal instead of downright saying "it sucks" and say "I like DOOM more but ULTRAKILL is also a great game"
Indeed, personally I'd argue that the only real civil ways to handle disagreements is either an "agree to disagree" (or something to that effect), or a good ol' respectful debate (emphasis on the "respectful" part because the moment that's lost the discussion is pretty much pointless).
I think that both games are fun (even though I haven't played doom) of the same genre and their fan bases should logically get along. I don't know why they would argue over which is better when they're trying to satisfy completely different people with the methods either game uses to deliver dopamine
i think twitter is where this battle is happening, so of course it makes no sense, twitter promotes idiocy like that of a lobotomized catfish, and fuel's the wrath of those on it.
Both games gave the term “arena shooter” a new spotlight, giving an opportunity to make shooters overall fun again. That’s pretty much it lol I don’t get the unnecessary conflict
The games are like taking a classic boomer shooter and taking it into completely different sides, They´re similar at its core but different in many aspects. ULTRAKILL focuses more on ''You only have 5 weapons, but we made sure you can do some stupid flashy combos even we didn't think about'' And Doom is more of ''Here, have all the weapons in the world, but their functionality is set in stone''
I'm really glad about being a fan of both games, yet having clear understanding of differences between them. Bring a fan without interacting with the fanbase ever is truly enjoyable
I am a Doom fan (modern and classic). I am also an Ultrakill fan. Both Ultrakill and Doom Eternal are amazing. I like both games equally. The only reason I like Doom more is because it is just more special to me. I hate that there is always a debate of which game is better. There is no better game, just some things each game does better. Ultrakill is good at being fast and being about racking up style with skillful movement and guns that interact with each other. Whereas Doom is slower, but still fast, and is about strategically managing, enemies with more mechanics, and guns that interact more with the player and enemies. You can say you prefer one, but neither is just better. We don't need to fight. I think that both are the perfect examples of FPS games done right.
They are both great! I’ve sunk over 120 hours into both (240 hours total) and they do different things. They are both movement shooters, that’s about it, ones about expression and one of them is about resource management. Doom invented the genre, we wouldn’t have Ultrakill without it. Some saying it looks like doom is a compliment, it has swagger and style. Also, not all doom players are crazy angry or aggressive 12 year olds. The amount of times I’ve had an Ultrakill player tell me kill myself for saying I like doom is staggering, and frankly, both communities need to clean stuff up. Remember, the respect of a community is set at the least respectful member. Diversity is good, but a community lacks diversity does that mean it’s inherently bad? No, it doesn’t. Diversity means different kinds of people. Different kinds of people, different kinds of groups it’s simple as that. How our modern day society functions actually, X community has a disagreement with Y community, does that really matter. Just because some people say something does not mean they speak for the group, so ignore the douches on either side. It’s a game community, a group of people who like Ultrakill/Doom. So why does diversity or politics matter here? It’s about the game, the community isn’t all about x opinion, it’s about “game good!” “Yes! Game Good!” It’s not about the people, it’s about the topic
Okay, but a whole part of a community is literally spreading misinformation and doing false advertisement on a game that they haven't even played. The topic is being directly affected by the people. It's also about hypocrisy and a guy that has an ego bigger than the new ULKL enemy (iykyk). I don't excuse the people that went out there with death threats, but I do appreciate people actually responding to the guy (or even clowning on him).
admittedly I expected this to just be about elitism and how frequently chronically online ppl kinda feel an incessant need to furiously hate on things they dislike and religiously defend their favorite things ever with obvious expense coming at harassment and other toxic shit, rather than this somehow coming back to a content creator who I haven’t seen people let just fade out of controversy for having a bad opinion on a game. I’ll be insanely honest I had zero idea who mayo was and had wrote off their stuff on ultrakill as i just thought it was just bad critique and moved on. However ever since I’ve interacted w the ultrakill community I’ve consistently seen people bring the guy up. It’s kinda ridiculous at this point, tho there’s definitely some correlation to how mayo enflamed the stupid debates online regarding these two games. I’ve said it already but in reality I think the reason the two communities have any beef is just because both groups both have people who do too much when it comes to hating on things they dislike, and also both games get talked about a lot as they’re definitely seen under the same light by people. I think Elitism is a problem in both communities from my own experience and I’m very shocked it wasn’t as nearly as touched on. Also randomly adding in that anytime I’m asked “are you playing doom?” Or something of that sort when I’m on ultrakill, I just tell them “Nah, it’s ultrakill. Think of it as doom but for people who pop adderall”. Nothing else I can really say but yea, both communities should just chill out. It’s never as serious as some ppl make it out to be when talking ab these two games in relation to each other lol
side note, the Ultrakill fanbase is in 2 spererate sections. the femboys, aka the memed and widely know part, then the speedrunners and just normal people who like the game. i personally fall under the "here to enjoy the game" category. and i'ma be real with you, Doom eternal isn't my cup of tea. no shade to Doom fans, i respect yall for your skill, and i have played the OG 1980's Doom 1 and 2, and i like them, but doom Eternal is too fast paced and has too many weapon choices. my brain can not comprehend the combos needed.
I like ultrakill and play it often but if im being honest the fanbase is mostly terminally online ppl meanwhile I also love doom but the doom community just uses the same song 100x times both great games both not so great communities, never really seen them hate eachother though especially considering the doom community is much larger
@@JuanC4- it doesn’t rly affect u if u have a high enough style so it further encouraged being at high style. And also, what abt when before the whip was added, we did fine without it, and when it was added it was sick. If it was added with the nerf then nobody would’ve complained at all. It’s completely balanced bc it’s not meant to be a crutch, but a tool
Doom eternal prioritizes having fun with efficient gameplay. Ultrakill prioritizes having fun with crazy gameplay. Underthemayo doesn't play ultrakill to its most fun extent. Underthemayo throws a hissy fit and calls the game bad. Oops, now there's a forest fire of doom eternal and ultrakill fans. Moral of the story: don't be like underthemayo.
You're one of the people who can't take someone's opinion and move on lol. Underthemayo understands what Ultrakill is about, he just doesn't like it as much as Doom Eternal. It's completely fair to dislike a game for the shortcomings you perceive it to has.
@@TheNeorch It has nothing to do with skill, and he has shown he is good at Ultrakill. In fact his whole argument against Ultrakill is that it is too easy, not too hard.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 well,it's probably his tastes then,i mean ultrakill is about beefing a cheesing the enemies with some crazy stuff,while doom is what many call a real man's game.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 underthemayo does not understand ultrakill :P Original comment literally says "underthemayo doesn't play ultrakill to its most fun extent" and thats true by his gameplay since he literally just spams the piercer lol, results in his style meter being garbage and all of his levels being B and below. i get that doom eternal is good but its also true Underthemayo threw a hissy fit and called the game bad. all of his suggestions are either "If it's not game incentive i wont do it since style is useless" or just making the game more and more similar to Doom Eternal, making it feel like a ripoff. One of these suggestions are "add ammo". He's not good at ULTRAKILL because he passes every level, hes bad at it because he doesn't get the most fun out of the gameplay and its all about the style in ultrakill, not how you beat every level as efficiently as possible. TLDR: Under The Mayo nitpicks every game besides Doom Eternal, demands that every game plays like Doom Eternal, seemingly just be controversial and get attention, is an elitist, and then hypocritically (and passive aggressively) tells anyone that disagrees with him can fck off (which feels extremely narrow-minded i play both games and hate mayo at the same time so my opinion is valid, fck you mayo meatriders
From what I Experienced it little opposite. I don't found any 12 years old Doom Eternal fans being toxic The Only toxic I found from DOOM eternal is Battlemode Player in Spicy Discord and that's all. In the mean time I see a lot of ULTRAKILL players keep backseating Streamer and surely give a death threat on someone who don't like UK (And that's also the problem with a lot of game required low Spec PC & Low price because it's welcoming kid fanbase like Fortnite or TF2). Plus I think It's not wrong for UnderTheMayo to have his own opinion even if people agree with him or not it's still his opinion but UK fans keep spamming insulting memes and trolling without any reasonable debate. They just keep send a lot of those bs comments for an opinion of a guy. Personally and Unfortunately I got backseating and trolling from a lot of those kids as well. Ex. A Kid who have a Potato PC keep spamming UK is Better, Harder, the bestest of any game and keep spamming something like UK > DE all day eventhough his PC can run DE on about 20 FPS while I try to enjoy play game. And that's just an "Example" Honestly there are a couple kids like this keep spamming like that to make me "Enjoy" the ULTRAKILL and that's really not working.
Though If the UnderTheMayo videos don't get those hating and UK fans understand it was just a guy's opinion there will be no DOOMTubers making videos on this hot topic at the moment and both fans will not be divided like whats happened. Especially you can look at the video's comment section and finding all day for any reasonable debate and no insulting memes.
Nonesense, Ultrakill and Doom fans do get along and share the same ideologies… no wait, that’s just the Hideous Destructor fans, even doom fans hates them, never mind.
I hate Ultrakill fans. All they do is post extremely unfunny steam reviews and have an identity crisis when people don’t think It’s the best game ever.
firs of i wanted to write this down naq that i have thought of it but the comments in this video i think are proof that most of the time, the antagonistic party on twitter and/or reddit is rarely the majority on youtube, or in more places than america. secondly i am active on 0 social media site's (you should to) so i can't be in any fandom's really (for better and for worse, looking at you tadc fans on twitter) but im a teenager who wouldn't say there edgy and i have an intrest in both, and i have no problems with the furry community, and i say gay/trans right's for the win, i also would say im somewhat cultured when it comes to boomer shooter's, i know who stethan whyte is, i'v played dusk on my nintendo switch (would recommend its a good port actually), i've also played doom 2016, i haven't played ultrakill tho, but i do have a bigger interest in it than i do most boomer shooters, in a similer way to my interest in the games in the remedy verse being more than other horror games and/or connected universes im just saying because i want to.
glad your thinking of playing ultrakill, my personall advice is stay far away from the comunity until you have compleated the game, ultrakill fanbase has a major backseating problem. but yeah i agree with all your points here. but i dont have a switch to check out the dusk port
@@JuanC4- and i don't have a pc to play ultrakill, well i have a laptop but it's a cromebook that can't run steam, and i'v spoiled myself a lot already im just focusing on avoiding spoilers for act 3 fraud, treachery and violence's 4th and 3rd level but i don't think it should be to hard, i'v done so well at avoiding bendy and the dark revival spoilers that i missed the console port trailer so it is possible.
Saying that Mayo is at fault is only partly right. The thing is, even my former best friend, before he got a new PC, was an UK player and was hyped about the Doom. But UK had a quick swap and such before Doom so when he got to play it, he thought that Doom is a cheap copy of UK, and he didn't get Marauders, bosses, he dislikes lore in the games and he always plays only new entries. When we weren't friends anymore in two years spin I came across his review completely hating on Eternal while there was no Mayo. Somehow we met again after two years after the beef we had (over life, not games) as different people we got to the games topic back and we both admitted that it was due to lack of understanding the said game. So I'd say hatred between fandoms is because both just can't take each others features and because they want their games to stand out. Sadly UK players also hate Turbo Overkill because it's taking a niche of similar games with a similar names and they feel offended. Doom fans also hate Serious Sam fans and considering it being one button mash game while it's actually far from that... So as you see, issues lies in stereotypes and the feeling of being unique which is also the reason why consoles fight. We should listen to each other and try to understand. And we'll be together stronger if we'll seek cooperation over confrontation. But humanity doesn't have enough brains for that so... Here we are. And ofc my other friend dat goes by Zaltan Crow nickname (won't mention his irl name) was bullied by Ultrakill fans for his tastes so another example is, just toxic part of the community which makes it look like everything about it is bad. But it's just a part of it guys and gals. There's a lot of people to met who have kind hearts. Don't judge entire fandom by some selected individuals
In my opinion doom fans are chill and supportive those kids you mention either didn't even play the games just there for the messy story and lore or they play doom mods like brutal doom, project brutality and call it the peak doom experience, i personally like doom 2016 more then eternal but both games are my 100 hours close to my 600 hours of terraria and my 200 hours on dead cells. Also my favorite mods is still Russian overkill and that will never change.
literally me lol, I just want to remove the heresy and degeneracy from the fan base, basically make it a group of normal people who are passionate about wearing animal costumes and socializing about things they have in common. That could quite literally be furry conventions. no weird stuff like people asking other people to bark for them, just people who like conversing about things they like
I’m part of the two, I love both games. I think Doom has a better atmosphere, and Graphics, level design. I think ULTRAKILL has a better gameplay loop (basically Quake and doom together), and a better community. I think DOOM is the reference for any FPS, and it should have some respect for being the backbone of the FPS’s. Underthemayo is the worst guy on the Internet Also, DOOM has better enemy’s because of Weak points and destructible enemies.
well, streatcleaners do have a weak point but you're point is still stand's and is a good one, i think modern doom and ultrakills level design differentiate because dooms are a lot bigger and longer, the prelude of ultrakill would probably be most comparable to 1 or 2 modern doom level's, movement and completion time is also a big factor, doom is like a monster truck, you're quite fast and pretty mobile, levels are also meant to take 10 maybe 30 minutes, and this this equates to longer, somewhat more packed level's but ultrakill movement is on par with Celeste (the mention of ultrakill having a large trans following make's this even more funny), i have watched enough msushi to make the comparison, the bull-shit possible with ultrakills movement is pretty vast, and with the achievement of p-ranks having a level completion time needed the levels are meant to be easy to complete quickly enough that the casual audience can get it reasonably if they want to get the p-rank, this leads to shorter more open and/or less complex level's.
Here's my take at the situation: Doom fans don't like unltrakill because Doom as a franchise was considered to be the father of FPS for 30 years, and one of the greatest FPS games ever made, and to have a young new-born game come out and take it all away just like that, must have hurt them and their ego for the game. Ultrakill Fans honestly probably just don't care about Doom, similarly to the TF2 vs OW battle, it's totally one-sided, only one side hates the other, but many people believe that it's a battle between both. Now, I am a Doom fan, but honestly instead of being mad at Ultrakill like most of us are, I think we should be proud of what Doom (especially 2016) has created in the recent years. Because of the releases of the modern doom games, a bunch of fast shoot-n-run games that many people love now exist, and I think that's something to be proud of, instead of being greedy and wanting all the attention for yourself. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a rando on the Internet.
Nah there are some toxic Ultrakill enjoyers who feel like what they perceive as a masterpiece is trumped by Doom Eternal, which is also perceived as a master piece in the eyes of others.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 I came to DE from 2016, and tried getting into it but didn't like several of the changes that make it consistently less fun for me. Then it comes to find that everything related to doom is full of people loudly proclaiming that it's the best thing since sliced Jesus and that everyone who has any problem with the changes from 2016 are just idiots who can't play games who need to shut up, and something something game journalists. Then of course came Mayo who was basically a lightning rod that exemplified all the elitism I disliked from the Doom Eternal community.
@@hyperx72 "...bunch of old heads..." So do you mean the Doom fanbase? There are two sides to the story. The other side is that people wanted the original game design from the old Doom games to return, and many newcomers felt that Doom 2016 gave too much freedom because you could abuse the super shotgun and the gauss canon for the whole game. Doom Eternal addressed these criticisms, by tightening the focus of the game and punishing people for trying to play the game in a lame way. This change shook the FPS landscape afterwards and was praised by many, becoming a masterclass in game design. It is why so many people today mention how addicting Doom Eternal's gameplay loop is, and how highly rewarding it is to get good at the game and learn its systems which you can then get creative with.
i think you should divide the "bethesda doom" fans and the "original doom" fans. these games are completely different. also, am i the only non-femboy ultrakill fan?
I don’t know why people argue about which is better, sure they’re both fps games but they have different gameplay designs with doom having resource management, and ultrakill going for style
I think Mayo helped in dividing the fanbases but before that they were already divided, you'd sometimes see them in youtube comment sections. I don't think Underthemayo's videos were trash though, they obviously speak to some people based off the many positive comments in those videos. As someone who loves Ultrakill, it is a video I found myself agreeing with because I am also someone who doesn't like style meters and wish Ultrakill took a different direction, or at least appealed more to players like myself. So instantly, because I have a personal preference, I am thrust onto one side of this debate. And you on the other hand, seem to be on the opposite side, considering you think Mayo's latest Ultrakill video was made to "deepen the wound" between the two communities. You say you want both sides to make up, but no concessions are made. You say that Mayo's (and by extension, the Doom communities' large opinion on this matter) are trash, and then you go on to expect us to just say "you're right, our opinions are trash, now lets be friends!" I think ultimately this comes down to people accepting the opinions of others. This doesn't mean agreeing with them, it just means to respect and accept them. This is something I personally think the Ultrakill community in this debate has to work on more. No hate meant by that comment, I think it's just a fact that needs to be acknowledged in order to move forwards.
Personally I find UtM's review to offer almost nothing of substance and seemed to be an attempt to confirm his already set-in-stone opinion. If you're going to form a negative opinion on something, it should be relative to the intention of the designer of the art/product. In other words, complaining about ULTRAKILL because it's not DOOM, the ammo is unlimited, and style is an important part of the experience is akin to hating soup for being too wet. All he needed to say was that it wasn't his cup of tea, but instead criticized it for being what it was meant to be.
Y'know its funny because I'm completely straight, slightly anti-queer anything, (even though I'm asexual.) am also christian, don't like underthemayo, and both play ultrakill and the doom series. (btw, out of all things why use astolfo from fate as a ultrakill player and an anti-furry flag combine from hl2 as a doom player? I'm just wondering...) though I do agree, We really should just join eachother and just laugh at the face of moba players ngl xD
@@JuanC4- To be fair, It is true. But ultrakill is like, the opposite of femboy's appeal, (aside from buttplug support lol XD) The soundtrack is metal as frick, The gameplay loop is more intense than eternal in some cases, and.. Uh... Don't know what else to say I guess.
Doom eternal fans want ultrakill to be doom eternal, Ultrakill fans defend their different style of gameplay and say theirs also has flaws, then a fucking shitstorm approaches. Just like how a food fight escalates into nuclear warfare.
Because Ultrakill fans know their game is just a budget Doom Eternal and they can't cope with it. They HAVE to insist that their game is the best ever, and absolutely go rabid if Doom is mentioned in any capacity. One of the most deranged fanbases I've ever seen.
it isn't a budget doom eternal though, it is it's own game. i am not saying that ultrakill is better, i am saying that it is good in it's own way. the only reason you call it budget doom eternal is because of the graphics but the graphics honestly make it more memorable as it has a more distinct artstyle.
as a guy who has played a shit ton of doom eternal and doom beat the entire game in nightmare Including DLC and harder Variance of levels Multiple times and P ranked every level so far in ultrakill i think there both are Great games that do the same thing differently and its ok to like one and not the other But they're both really good games that have there own issues because nothing's perfect its ok to like one and not the other but don't Harass someone for it no one gets benefit out of it also i like doom 2016 and need to play the original games and cant wait for ultrakill act 3
My big problem to begin with is when people compare Ultrakill and Doom, both movement shooters but there also completely different games, I'd be like comparing 2d Mario platforms to cuphead, both have 2d parkour but are entirely different, but what ultrakill tries to do with its gameplay and what Doom tries to do with its gameplay are both done perfectly
I love both game and I can say that both games are REALLY good and trust me when I say I played both games I have over 30 hours for both games but I like ULTRAKILL game play more then the DOOM games game play but I don’t really like the fandom of ULTRAKILL because when I tell one of my friends about ULTRAKILL and they play and say “I like this game enough so let’s see what the fandom is… what” and look I don’t like Furrys because of the bad people that make them look bad but the other 2, trans and femboys I don’t really care about, but I like the DOOM fandom more because it’s more people like me and yes I’ve played all DOOM game experience for 64 so the TLDR is I like ULTRAKILL game play and the DOOM game play is good but not as good as ULTRAKILL but I like the DOOM fandom more because of how the people are more like me and I don’t really care about the ULAKILL fandom because it’s not like what I like sorry for the paragraph
I'd expect majority of ultrakill's playerbase comes from doom after wanting more of what doom eternal did. DE still might be my favourite game of all time but there is a definite skill ceiling . You'll get ex doom players getting all elitist now that they've found "the harder game" and how DE is too tame as if it wasn't one of the most nuts AAA release of the decade which many criticised for being too punishing. And they're right in a way. Ultrakill is harder than DE by a decent margin. I've done multiple ultra nightmare runs of DE but I can spend a whole day or more trying to P rank a single level in Ultrakill and there's higher difficulties yet to be released. I fucking LOVE both games. Doom is like a comfort food I know what I'm getting and familiar without being mind numbingly easy. Ultrakill scratches a completely different itch. Every time I pick the game back up, I learn a new bit of tech. The game kicks my ass and it's honestly exhausting to play but that's what I want from it. They're both FANTASTIC games far above all the sterilised AAA slop we're expected to like. Also I think that comment about artstyle is a bit weird. What's doom covering up with it's graphics? It's just a product of it's development. Ultrakill has it's own distinct art style but do you think it'd look like that if it was made by a team with as many resources as ID and a big name publisher breathing down their necks? It doesn't seem to me that DE made any compromises for the sake of looking pretty. To me it seems like exactly the game we could have hoped for after 2016.
"Sending death threats" or doing anything to cause others trouble just because they didn't agree to their ideologies is stereotypical of woke leftists. I'm sure leftists can do better than that.
@@kindertak5396 It's not that big of a deal if he had that kind of opinion. But it'll be a different story if he goes as crazy as stalking, doxxing, and sending death threat to someone he disagree because they liked that kind of medium.
I like Doom, I like Ultrakill, I like there songs. That's all there is to it. I have no idea why they hate each other, Like the only difference is one's a robot and the other is marine (in my eyes). I still have no idea how people have come to the conclusion of most if not all ultrakill players are femboys.
i never liked Ultrakill myself hecl I'm groaning when I see it pol out for me and yet still I agree both communities have their problem and should just chill the heck out. I mean this kind of hate leads to problems. Just let peope play what they fucking want and stfu about it.
bruh I was a doom fan then switched to ultrakill since it was more retro and less laggy but know ima throw quarters when I see a femboy trans gay person which is a ultrakill fan
And i personnly dont care and i play what i want which is doom but I respect ultrakill fans heck as someone who loves doom and god of war i like lets say some diffrent stuff too
When it comes to DOOM Eternal, I loved it on release. But over time, whenever i did a play-through I started to dislike it more and more. Now it’s just disappointing to me. As for ULTRAKILL I tried getting into it (have about 40 hours logged on it) but it never clicked with me. I just felt that the whole QUAKE mixed with Devil May Cry approach never worked. Leading it to feeling like this awkward character action game.
Point one makes sense, but only kind of. It's what I like to call the Canadian dilemma, where you struggle to differentiate one group identity from another. I do think it's a stretch though, because while there's a degree of overlap between the two games, I don't think they're that easy to confise at first glance. Especially when you consider that despite being older, DOOM never had a game that used the same first gen polygon aesthetic. That was a Quake thing, with DOOM 1-2 being stuck in that technically 3D but not really phase of the 90s and DOOM 3 being more second gen in terms of polygons. Point 2 does have some merit to it, but I think you explained it somewhat poorly. Not to mention it only applies to a niche section of the fadom (though I admit I have little personal experience with DOOM fans). Also not to mention that OG DOOM might be more relevant than you stated around the 4 minute mark. DOOM has a cultural legacy of being edgy, and not simply because of the gore and heavy metal. One of the most infamous classic DOOM mods is the Columbine mod, and the references one of the shooters made to the game in preparation for the massacre. The DOOM wiki even has a page about it. This would be the start if a fandom tradition, fast forward to 2016, and a mid was made in response to the Pulse Nightclub massacre. This doesn't even touch the multitude of other edgy and offensive mods, like Grezzo 2 and the Moonman mod. Besides that, DOOM is simply pumped with testosterone and masculinity, but in a more asexual way By comparison, ULTRAKILL's dev team publicly endorses LGBTQ udeals, which have stopped being edgy at least a decade ago, as well as support for sexual freedom (see the body pillows and sex update). It could also be an intergenerational conflict as well though. DOOM is a brand that goes back to the 90s and to the childhoods of Millenials, where as ULTRAKILL appeals to the next generation, who are more willing to embrace a broader freedom to express alternative gender and sexual concepts. Point 3 is perhaps the thing that hits the nail on the head perfectly. UtM trashes a game for not being what he expects, his fanbase takes it to heart, and the ULTRAKILL fanbase response by pulling apart DOOM Eternal and nitpicking all it's flaws (and the death threats). UtM is ultimately who is at fault here, not because he had an opinion, but because he had an opinion that nissed the mark, doubled down on it when people responded, and, I would argue, approached ULTRAKILL in bad faith just to prove his petty ammo complaint. One last thing to close out, I think you should consider taking a more formal approach to these videos. Actually writing a script in an essay format and all. The pauses when trying to find the right words really takes out if the experience and can lead to less concise wording.
BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO: as as someone who LOVES ULTRAKILL A LOT a would say, the fanbases dont HATE eachother, its just there are a few specific people who are rlly rlly dumb and even then its mostly one sided as a few doom fans **COUGH COUGH MAYO COUGH COUGH** dont understand ultrakill and thus dont like it and blame the game and call it bad, which makes the ultrakill fandom mad, soooo yeah ultrakill fandom doesnt hate the doom fandom we hate specific people IN IT AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO: yeah, you basically said everything that needed to be said, i honestly forgot that a lot of eternal fans are of the "sigma male, anti-fur, anti-LGBTQ" crowd. but anyways. very great video good job :3
Both games are good. I’ve played them both and think they are both good. Doom and ultra kill both have awesome gameplay loops, soundtracks, and overall fast paced demon killing action. ultra kill also has a really high ceiling for the evolution of shitposting. Seriously, I like ultrakill shitposts enough to where I will literally become a shitpost as V1 in vrchat. I agree that both fan bases should try to come together because, like I said, they are both great games, doom eternal and ultrakill
I came to DE from 2016, and tried getting into it but didn't like several of the changes that make it consistently less fun for me. Then it comes to find that everything related to doom is full of people loudly proclaiming that it's the best thing since sliced Jesus and that everyone who has any problem with the changes from 2016 are just idiots who can't play games who need to shut up, something something game journalists. Then of course came Mayo who was basically a lightning rod that exemplified all the elitism I disliked from the Doom Eternal community.
If doom and ultrakill were combined would it be named eternal ultra death Anyways if they were combined i feel like it would be a pretty good game of course the difficulty would be insane probably comparable to souls game (if they both on their own aren’t considered as hard as a souls game) The style meter plus coins plus doom eternals different variety enemies would make for some fun imagine throwing a qaurter balista boosting away and then pbing the coin then quick switching into a rocket launcher meathooking away throwing a coin then pbing it and it hitting a enemies the techs would be crazy Keep in mind i haven’t even played ultrakill im a console player so we don’t get that luxury but im just going off what i have seen
Doom is a good game, but honestly I just don't understand how people can love doom, the same, or even more than ultrakill. I really like ghostrunner too
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when i argue with an ultrakill player and they starting throwing quarters in the air
me when i realize i can just punch them in the air:
@@there_are_bugs_under_your_skin Me when bloodpunch has a cooldown:
Me when I can shoot their coins before them:
@@ezbooksmarketing5898 me when DOOM weapons arent hitscan:
+ULTRACOUNTERRICOSHOT x6
as a man of both ultrakill and doom, i can confirm they are both awesome and i love them
Same here
Me too
Same here i still am confused that these folks cant get along
Same bro
Ah a man of culture
I see
Just goes to show nobody can have an opinion anymore. Sending death threats and doxing people is not a very good way to disagree with someone. The fact people get so up tight about an opinion is actually shameful.
Opinions arent good opinions when they make it more public and just outright shame the game with no positive points mentioned. Especially when they have never played the game.
Having public opinions are great and i respect it. Just make it more equal instead of downright saying "it sucks" and say "I like DOOM more but ULTRAKILL is also a great game"
yeah :( it sucks i think that in many ways bolth of the comunitys are in the wrong and right, but death threats is too much
Indeed, personally I'd argue that the only real civil ways to handle disagreements is either an "agree to disagree" (or something to that effect), or a good ol' respectful debate (emphasis on the "respectful" part because the moment that's lost the discussion is pretty much pointless).
I think that both games are fun (even though I haven't played doom) of the same genre and their fan bases should logically get along. I don't know why they would argue over which is better when they're trying to satisfy completely different people with the methods either game uses to deliver dopamine
i think twitter is where this battle is happening,
so of course it makes no sense, twitter promotes idiocy like that of a lobotomized catfish, and fuel's the wrath of those on it.
Both games gave the term “arena shooter” a new spotlight, giving an opportunity to make shooters overall fun again. That’s pretty much it lol I don’t get the unnecessary conflict
The games are like taking a classic boomer shooter and taking it into completely different sides, They´re similar at its core but different in many aspects. ULTRAKILL focuses more on ''You only have 5 weapons, but we made sure you can do some stupid flashy combos even we didn't think about'' And Doom is more of ''Here, have all the weapons in the world, but their functionality is set in stone''
I'm really glad about being a fan of both games, yet having clear understanding of differences between them. Bring a fan without interacting with the fanbase ever is truly enjoyable
as a man of both ultrakill in doom, i can confirm i hate myself
dang.......
I a slight suspicion that this doesn’t have anything to do with video games.
I am a Doom fan (modern and classic). I am also an Ultrakill fan. Both Ultrakill and Doom Eternal are amazing. I like both games equally. The only reason I like Doom more is because it is just more special to me. I hate that there is always a debate of which game is better. There is no better game, just some things each game does better. Ultrakill is good at being fast and being about racking up style with skillful movement and guns that interact with each other. Whereas Doom is slower, but still fast, and is about strategically managing, enemies with more mechanics, and guns that interact more with the player and enemies. You can say you prefer one, but neither is just better. We don't need to fight. I think that both are the perfect examples of FPS games done right.
i 100% agree, both games have mastered the FPS in their own ways
@@JuanC4- Based youtuber. Subbing now.
doom is cruel brutality,ultrakill is cruel beautifully
@@TheNeorch rip and tear vs ripe and bare 😳
@@boblixgamer9101rust dust and guts vs bust lust and butts 😳
I think Ultrakill’s and Doom’s communities should just compete with each other to see who has the most reused jokes.
i think i'm not 100% ultrakill fan cause i'm still not a femboy furry transexual
Challenge : discuss any topic without shoving your politic (impossible)
Real
I want to delete ultrakill now. But still im not gonna stop playing both of them
My doom friend hated ultrakill, so i made him try it, he loves act 1 so far
nice
both games are good in their own ways (imo) and idk why the fanbases hate eachother
One man… named underthemayo
and a bit of idiocy on both side's.
Both games are good but
both games also have toxic communities
Thats it
But dusk is great
dusk is great
They are both great! I’ve sunk over 120 hours into both (240 hours total) and they do different things. They are both movement shooters, that’s about it, ones about expression and one of them is about resource management. Doom invented the genre, we wouldn’t have Ultrakill without it. Some saying it looks like doom is a compliment, it has swagger and style. Also, not all doom players are crazy angry or aggressive 12 year olds. The amount of times I’ve had an Ultrakill player tell me kill myself for saying I like doom is staggering, and frankly, both communities need to clean stuff up. Remember, the respect of a community is set at the least respectful member. Diversity is good, but a community lacks diversity does that mean it’s inherently bad? No, it doesn’t. Diversity means different kinds of people. Different kinds of people, different kinds of groups it’s simple as that. How our modern day society functions actually, X community has a disagreement with Y community, does that really matter. Just because some people say something does not mean they speak for the group, so ignore the douches on either side. It’s a game community, a group of people who like Ultrakill/Doom. So why does diversity or politics matter here? It’s about the game, the community isn’t all about x opinion, it’s about “game good!” “Yes! Game Good!” It’s not about the people, it’s about the topic
Okay, but a whole part of a community is literally spreading misinformation and doing false advertisement on a game that they haven't even played. The topic is being directly affected by the people. It's also about hypocrisy and a guy that has an ego bigger than the new ULKL enemy (iykyk). I don't excuse the people that went out there with death threats, but I do appreciate people actually responding to the guy (or even clowning on him).
admittedly I expected this to just be about elitism and how frequently chronically online ppl kinda feel an incessant need to furiously hate on things they dislike and religiously defend their favorite things ever with obvious expense coming at harassment and other toxic shit, rather than this somehow coming back to a content creator who I haven’t seen people let just fade out of controversy for having a bad opinion on a game.
I’ll be insanely honest I had zero idea who mayo was and had wrote off their stuff on ultrakill as i just thought it was just bad critique and moved on. However ever since I’ve interacted w the ultrakill community I’ve consistently seen people bring the guy up. It’s kinda ridiculous at this point, tho there’s definitely some correlation to how mayo enflamed the stupid debates online regarding these two games.
I’ve said it already but in reality I think the reason the two communities have any beef is just because both groups both have people who do too much when it comes to hating on things they dislike, and also both games get talked about a lot as they’re definitely seen under the same light by people. I think Elitism is a problem in both communities from my own experience and I’m very shocked it wasn’t as nearly as touched on.
Also randomly adding in that anytime I’m asked “are you playing doom?” Or something of that sort when I’m on ultrakill, I just tell them “Nah, it’s ultrakill. Think of it as doom but for people who pop adderall”.
Nothing else I can really say but yea, both communities should just chill out. It’s never as serious as some ppl make it out to be when talking ab these two games in relation to each other lol
true, its not a big deal and the two comunities need to come together and put aside their diferences
As an ultrakill fan who does not care about all this war going on, I see this as a "Shut up and play your games and we will play ours." moment
side note, the Ultrakill fanbase is in 2 spererate sections. the femboys, aka the memed and widely know part, then the speedrunners and just normal people who like the game. i personally fall under the "here to enjoy the game" category. and i'ma be real with you, Doom eternal isn't my cup of tea. no shade to Doom fans, i respect yall for your skill, and i have played the OG 1980's Doom 1 and 2, and i like them, but doom Eternal is too fast paced and has too many weapon choices. my brain can not comprehend the combos needed.
I like ultrakill and play it often but if im being honest the fanbase is mostly terminally online ppl
meanwhile I also love doom but the doom community just uses the same song 100x times
both great games both not so great communities, never really seen them hate eachother though especially considering the doom community is much larger
Ultrakill fans talking about how much they like Ultrakill
And then boom
Whiplash nerf
yeah i dont know why people were hating on the nerf, i think it was justified
@@JuanC4- it doesn’t rly affect u if u have a high enough style so it further encouraged being at high style. And also, what abt when before the whip was added, we did fine without it, and when it was added it was sick. If it was added with the nerf then nobody would’ve complained at all. It’s completely balanced bc it’s not meant to be a crutch, but a tool
Insane opinion enjoy both games they’re awesome and fun ignore the loud assholes and enjoy the games I love both games
great video, as a DOOM fan and a Ultrakill fan this split between both communities is just dumb
Doom eternal prioritizes having fun with efficient gameplay.
Ultrakill prioritizes having fun with crazy gameplay.
Underthemayo doesn't play ultrakill to its most fun extent.
Underthemayo throws a hissy fit and calls the game bad.
Oops, now there's a forest fire of doom eternal and ultrakill fans.
Moral of the story: don't be like underthemayo.
You're one of the people who can't take someone's opinion and move on lol. Underthemayo understands what Ultrakill is about, he just doesn't like it as much as Doom Eternal. It's completely fair to dislike a game for the shortcomings you perceive it to has.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 well his gaming skills are not made to withstand games with such styles so i understand
@@TheNeorch It has nothing to do with skill, and he has shown he is good at Ultrakill. In fact his whole argument against Ultrakill is that it is too easy, not too hard.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 well,it's probably his tastes then,i mean ultrakill is about beefing a cheesing the enemies with some crazy stuff,while doom is what many call a real man's game.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 underthemayo does not understand ultrakill :P
Original comment literally says "underthemayo doesn't play ultrakill to its most fun extent" and thats true by his gameplay since he literally just spams the piercer lol, results in his style meter being garbage and all of his levels being B and below.
i get that doom eternal is good but its also true Underthemayo threw a hissy fit and called the game bad. all of his suggestions are either "If it's not game incentive i wont do it since style is useless" or just making the game more and more similar to Doom Eternal, making it feel like a ripoff. One of these suggestions are "add ammo".
He's not good at ULTRAKILL because he passes every level, hes bad at it because he doesn't get the most fun out of the gameplay and its all about the style in ultrakill, not how you beat every level as efficiently as possible.
TLDR: Under The Mayo nitpicks every game besides Doom Eternal, demands that every game plays like Doom Eternal, seemingly just be controversial and get attention, is an elitist, and then hypocritically (and passive aggressively) tells anyone that disagrees with him can fck off (which feels extremely narrow-minded
i play both games and hate mayo at the same time so my opinion is valid, fck you mayo meatriders
Personally I think ultrakill and doom are both equally good games, they both have qualities that make them great in their own way
same here
As a straight man who love doom and ultrakill and has no clue what you are talking about... I'll just end it there
From what I Experienced it little opposite.
I don't found any 12 years old Doom Eternal fans being toxic
The Only toxic I found from DOOM eternal is Battlemode Player in Spicy Discord and that's all.
In the mean time I see a lot of ULTRAKILL players keep backseating Streamer and surely give a death threat on someone who don't like UK (And that's also the problem with a lot of game required low Spec PC & Low price because it's welcoming kid fanbase like Fortnite or TF2).
Plus I think It's not wrong for UnderTheMayo to have his own opinion even if people agree with him or not it's still his opinion but UK fans keep spamming insulting memes and trolling without any reasonable debate. They just keep send a lot of those bs comments for an opinion of a guy.
Personally and Unfortunately I got backseating and trolling from a lot of those kids as well.
Ex. A Kid who have a Potato PC keep spamming UK is Better, Harder, the bestest of any game and keep spamming something like UK > DE all day eventhough his PC can run DE on about 20 FPS while I try to enjoy play game. And that's just an "Example"
Honestly there are a couple kids like this keep spamming like that to make me "Enjoy" the ULTRAKILL and that's really not working.
Though If the UnderTheMayo videos don't get those hating and UK fans understand it was just a guy's opinion there will be no DOOMTubers making videos on this hot topic at the moment and both fans will not be divided like whats happened.
Especially you can look at the video's comment section and finding all day for any reasonable debate and no insulting memes.
Nonesense, Ultrakill and Doom fans do get along and share the same ideologies… no wait, that’s just the Hideous Destructor fans, even doom fans hates them, never mind.
I hate Ultrakill fans. All they do is post extremely unfunny steam reviews and have an identity crisis when people don’t think It’s the best game ever.
those 2 things that you pointed out i can agree with
i'm both a ultrakill and doom fan, didn't know both communities seemed to hate each other, how did this happened ? i actually though both were chill
under the mayo happend, but i think that the relationship is being patched up
@@JuanC4- i see, good then
firs of i wanted to write this down naq that i have thought of it but
the comments in this video i think are proof that most of the time, the antagonistic party on twitter and/or reddit is rarely the majority on youtube, or in more places than america.
secondly
i am active on 0 social media site's (you should to) so i can't be in any fandom's really (for better and for worse, looking at you tadc fans on twitter) but
im a teenager who wouldn't say there edgy and i have an intrest in both, and i have no problems with the furry community,
and i say gay/trans right's for the win,
i also would say im somewhat cultured when it comes to boomer shooter's,
i know who stethan whyte is, i'v played dusk on my nintendo switch (would recommend its a good port actually), i've also played doom 2016, i haven't played ultrakill tho, but i do have a bigger interest in it than i do most boomer shooters, in a similer way to my interest in the games in the remedy verse being more than other horror games and/or connected universes
im just saying because i want to.
glad your thinking of playing ultrakill, my personall advice is stay far away from the comunity until you have compleated the game, ultrakill fanbase has a major backseating problem. but yeah i agree with all your points here. but i dont have a switch to check out the dusk port
@@JuanC4- and i don't have a pc to play ultrakill, well i have a laptop but it's a cromebook that can't run steam,
and i'v spoiled myself a lot already im just focusing on avoiding spoilers for act 3 fraud, treachery and violence's 4th and 3rd level
but i don't think it should be to hard, i'v done so well at avoiding bendy and the dark revival spoilers that i missed the console port trailer so it is possible.
Saying that Mayo is at fault is only partly right. The thing is, even my former best friend, before he got a new PC, was an UK player and was hyped about the Doom. But UK had a quick swap and such before Doom so when he got to play it, he thought that Doom is a cheap copy of UK, and he didn't get Marauders, bosses, he dislikes lore in the games and he always plays only new entries. When we weren't friends anymore in two years spin I came across his review completely hating on Eternal while there was no Mayo. Somehow we met again after two years after the beef we had (over life, not games) as different people we got to the games topic back and we both admitted that it was due to lack of understanding the said game. So I'd say hatred between fandoms is because both just can't take each others features and because they want their games to stand out. Sadly UK players also hate Turbo Overkill because it's taking a niche of similar games with a similar names and they feel offended. Doom fans also hate Serious Sam fans and considering it being one button mash game while it's actually far from that... So as you see, issues lies in stereotypes and the feeling of being unique which is also the reason why consoles fight. We should listen to each other and try to understand. And we'll be together stronger if we'll seek cooperation over confrontation. But humanity doesn't have enough brains for that so... Here we are. And ofc my other friend dat goes by Zaltan Crow nickname (won't mention his irl name) was bullied by Ultrakill fans for his tastes so another example is, just toxic part of the community which makes it look like everything about it is bad. But it's just a part of it guys and gals. There's a lot of people to met who have kind hearts. Don't judge entire fandom by some selected individuals
I guess putting the blame on one person isn't fair
3:18 I feel deeply offended by this, we are not femboys
We are femMEN!!
YEAAAAAAAAAAAA
exactly bro
😐🔫 guess what this is saying
YES
@@adamsacsoqui9365mean like if you want a squirt gun fight, know you’ll loose
In my opinion doom fans are chill and supportive those kids you mention either didn't even play the games just there for the messy story and lore or they play doom mods like brutal doom, project brutality and call it the peak doom experience, i personally like doom 2016 more then eternal but both games are my 100 hours close to my 600 hours of terraria and my 200 hours on dead cells.
Also my favorite mods is still Russian overkill and that will never change.
based russian overkill player
Hah 2:53 terrible steriotype. Most anti-furs just want the furry fandom to be more safe.
literally me lol, I just want to remove the heresy and degeneracy from the fan base, basically make it a group of normal people who are passionate about wearing animal costumes and socializing about things they have in common. That could quite literally be furry conventions. no weird stuff like people asking other people to bark for them, just people who like conversing about things they like
@@NamelessCrusad3r fr, plus all the NSFW is normalized zoophile porn.
@@NamelessCrusad3r yeah, plus a lot of the art is pretty much normalizes zoophilia (yiff and sexualized sfw)
@@yomoniix and zoophilia is heresy to the Christian faith
as it defies the Bible
good to know that i am one of the 2% of people who play ultrakill and are straight 😊
fr
Not for long
don't worry, you'll go insane like i did instead
Hey some doom fans are Based Mexicans ( Im talking about Midnight
theres no way ultrakill fans can defend their fanbase when they're built
like quagmire
listen man i love ultrakill but the characters were so fucking hot i was confused with my sexuality for like a month. deadass.
There is nothing gay about finding v1 extremely sexually attractive
Bros gonna be fucking vending machines soon
@@chucklnuts2206 too late
@@Hostefar gabriel tho...
lol
I’m part of the two, I love both games.
I think Doom has a better atmosphere, and Graphics, level design.
I think ULTRAKILL has a better gameplay loop (basically Quake and doom together), and a better community.
I think DOOM is the reference for any FPS, and it should have some respect for being the backbone of the FPS’s.
Underthemayo is the worst guy on the Internet
Also, DOOM has better enemy’s because of Weak points and destructible enemies.
true
well, streatcleaners do have a weak point but you're point is still stand's and is a good one,
i think modern doom and ultrakills level design differentiate because dooms are a lot bigger and longer, the prelude of ultrakill would probably be most comparable to 1 or 2 modern doom level's,
movement and completion time is also a big factor,
doom is like a monster truck, you're quite fast and pretty mobile, levels are also meant to take 10 maybe 30 minutes, and this this equates to longer, somewhat more packed level's
but ultrakill movement is on par with Celeste (the mention of ultrakill having a large trans following make's this even more funny), i have watched enough msushi to make the comparison, the bull-shit possible with ultrakills movement is pretty vast, and with the achievement of p-ranks having a level completion time needed the levels are meant to be easy to complete quickly enough that the casual audience can get it reasonably if they want to get the p-rank, this leads to shorter more open and/or less complex level's.
Here's my take at the situation:
Doom fans don't like unltrakill because Doom as a franchise was considered to be the father of FPS for 30 years, and one of the greatest FPS games ever made, and to have a young new-born game come out and take it all away just like that, must have hurt them and their ego for the game.
Ultrakill Fans honestly probably just don't care about Doom, similarly to the TF2 vs OW battle, it's totally one-sided, only one side hates the other, but many people believe that it's a battle between both.
Now, I am a Doom fan, but honestly instead of being mad at Ultrakill like most of us are, I think we should be proud of what Doom (especially 2016) has created in the recent years. Because of the releases of the modern doom games, a bunch of fast shoot-n-run games that many people love now exist, and I think that's something to be proud of, instead of being greedy and wanting all the attention for yourself.
But hey, what do I know, I'm just a rando on the Internet.
Nah there are some toxic Ultrakill enjoyers who feel like what they perceive as a masterpiece is trumped by Doom Eternal, which is also perceived as a master piece in the eyes of others.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 I came to DE from 2016, and tried getting into it but didn't like several of the changes that make it consistently less fun for me. Then it comes to find that everything related to doom is full of people loudly proclaiming that it's the best thing since sliced Jesus and that everyone who has any problem with the changes from 2016 are just idiots who can't play games who need to shut up, and something something game journalists.
Then of course came Mayo who was basically a lightning rod that exemplified all the elitism I disliked from the Doom Eternal community.
@@hyperx72 Seems like you have the same problem with the Doom community that I have with the Ultrakill community.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Except in my case it was a bunch of old heads to want to remove player freedoms that we enjoyed from the new upcoming game.
@@hyperx72 "...bunch of old heads..."
So do you mean the Doom fanbase? There are two sides to the story. The other side is that people wanted the original game design from the old Doom games to return, and many newcomers felt that Doom 2016 gave too much freedom because you could abuse the super shotgun and the gauss canon for the whole game. Doom Eternal addressed these criticisms, by tightening the focus of the game and punishing people for trying to play the game in a lame way.
This change shook the FPS landscape afterwards and was praised by many, becoming a masterclass in game design. It is why so many people today mention how addicting Doom Eternal's gameplay loop is, and how highly rewarding it is to get good at the game and learn its systems which you can then get creative with.
i think you should divide the "bethesda doom" fans and the "original doom" fans. these games are completely different. also, am i the only non-femboy ultrakill fan?
Not for long
Robot kill demon
Man kill demon
Both good
I don’t know why people argue about which is better, sure they’re both fps games but they have different gameplay designs with doom having resource management, and ultrakill going for style
As a Doom and Ultrakill enjoyer, I really hate today "fanbase" and "fan" terms. Can't you guys just play games and not waste time to hate other games?
I think Mayo helped in dividing the fanbases but before that they were already divided, you'd sometimes see them in youtube comment sections. I don't think Underthemayo's videos were trash though, they obviously speak to some people based off the many positive comments in those videos. As someone who loves Ultrakill, it is a video I found myself agreeing with because I am also someone who doesn't like style meters and wish Ultrakill took a different direction, or at least appealed more to players like myself. So instantly, because I have a personal preference, I am thrust onto one side of this debate. And you on the other hand, seem to be on the opposite side, considering you think Mayo's latest Ultrakill video was made to "deepen the wound" between the two communities. You say you want both sides to make up, but no concessions are made. You say that Mayo's (and by extension, the Doom communities' large opinion on this matter) are trash, and then you go on to expect us to just say "you're right, our opinions are trash, now lets be friends!"
I think ultimately this comes down to people accepting the opinions of others. This doesn't mean agreeing with them, it just means to respect and accept them. This is something I personally think the Ultrakill community in this debate has to work on more. No hate meant by that comment, I think it's just a fact that needs to be acknowledged in order to move forwards.
Personally I find UtM's review to offer almost nothing of substance and seemed to be an attempt to confirm his already set-in-stone opinion.
If you're going to form a negative opinion on something, it should be relative to the intention of the designer of the art/product. In other words, complaining about ULTRAKILL because it's not DOOM, the ammo is unlimited, and style is an important part of the experience is akin to hating soup for being too wet.
All he needed to say was that it wasn't his cup of tea, but instead criticized it for being what it was meant to be.
Y'know its funny because I'm completely straight, slightly anti-queer anything, (even though I'm asexual.) am also christian, don't like underthemayo, and both play ultrakill and the doom series. (btw, out of all things why use astolfo from fate as a ultrakill player and an anti-furry flag combine from hl2 as a doom player? I'm just wondering...) though I do agree, We really should just join eachother and just laugh at the face of moba players ngl xD
idk why i used what i did, but for alsolfo as the face of ultrakill i just thought that it would be funny
@@JuanC4- To be fair, It is true. But ultrakill is like, the opposite of femboy's appeal, (aside from buttplug support lol XD) The soundtrack is metal as frick, The gameplay loop is more intense than eternal in some cases, and.. Uh... Don't know what else to say I guess.
Doom Eternal, and UltraKill are both amazing games
I play ultrakill, i am straight, and i must say i was very dissapointed when my bisexual furry friend is worse than me
Y-YOU Natu-tu-tural?? You do not UK player. But you have a chance to improve. Become a femboy!
A war with a dumb reason
Best comment on this video…
Doom eternal fans want ultrakill to be doom eternal, Ultrakill fans defend their different style of gameplay and say theirs also has flaws, then a fucking shitstorm approaches.
Just like how a food fight escalates into nuclear warfare.
things have gone into a cold war between the two comunitys. and underthemayo is cuba
Because Ultrakill fans know their game is just a budget Doom Eternal and they can't cope with it. They HAVE to insist that their game is the best ever, and absolutely go rabid if Doom is mentioned in any capacity. One of the most deranged fanbases I've ever seen.
it isn't a budget doom eternal though, it is it's own game. i am not saying that ultrakill is better, i am saying that it is good in it's own way. the only reason you call it budget doom eternal is because of the graphics but the graphics honestly make it more memorable as it has a more distinct artstyle.
Me when I am in a "have the worst opinions ever" competition and my opponent is @someguy9970
@@TheGuy53X
Me when I am in a “worst fanbase” competition and my opponent is the Ultrakill fandom.
@@someguy9970 Ultrakill fandom is litterally just a bunch of people shitposting
@@TheGuy53X
No, it’s.a bunch of sycophants and queers and other degenerates. You’re the new Undertale, congratulations.
2:50 fr that flag is hella annoying
1:30 as an ultrakill fan no they arent
as an ultrakill fan, i have seen people who do think so
I DONT HATE DOOM WHO SAID THIS ILL ULTRAKILL THEM?!?!?
as a guy who has played a shit ton of doom eternal and doom beat the entire game in nightmare Including DLC and harder Variance of levels Multiple times
and P ranked every level so far in ultrakill
i think there both are Great games that do the same thing differently and its ok to like one and not the other But they're both really good games that have there own issues because nothing's perfect
its ok to like one and not the other but don't Harass someone for it
no one gets benefit out of it
also i like doom 2016 and need to play the original games
and cant wait for ultrakill act 3
Play plutonia:)
My big problem to begin with is when people compare Ultrakill and Doom, both movement shooters but there also completely different games, I'd be like comparing 2d Mario platforms to cuphead, both have 2d parkour but are entirely different, but what ultrakill tries to do with its gameplay and what Doom tries to do with its gameplay are both done perfectly
It's literally TF2 Vs Overwatch again but instead of MatPat, it's UndertheMayo.
thats accurite
I tried the ultrakill demo it's not my thing but hey I'm still going to appreciate this game
Wheres my Pandemonium vs Chaos Juan?
you know what, i will make it, just for you
@@JuanC4- Wait fr? Thanks dude
@@JuanC4- bro pulled the "for you, my friend." 💀 and yeah im subbing you seem like a nice youtuber
I love both game and I can say that both games are REALLY good and trust me when I say I played both games I have over 30 hours for both games but I like ULTRAKILL game play more then the DOOM games game play but I don’t really like the fandom of ULTRAKILL because when I tell one of my friends about ULTRAKILL and they play and say “I like this game enough so let’s see what the fandom is… what” and look I don’t like Furrys because of the bad people that make them look bad but the other 2, trans and femboys I don’t really care about, but I like the DOOM fandom more because it’s more people like me and yes I’ve played all DOOM game experience for 64 so the TLDR is I like ULTRAKILL game play and the DOOM game play is good but not as good as ULTRAKILL but I like the DOOM fandom more because of how the people are more like me and I don’t really care about the ULAKILL fandom because it’s not like what I like sorry for the paragraph
Ultrakill fans are just really annoying.
ultrakill fans have a backseating problem
I'd expect majority of ultrakill's playerbase comes from doom after wanting more of what doom eternal did. DE still might be my favourite game of all time but there is a definite skill ceiling . You'll get ex doom players getting all elitist now that they've found "the harder game" and how DE is too tame as if it wasn't one of the most nuts AAA release of the decade which many criticised for being too punishing. And they're right in a way. Ultrakill is harder than DE by a decent margin. I've done multiple ultra nightmare runs of DE but I can spend a whole day or more trying to P rank a single level in Ultrakill and there's higher difficulties yet to be released.
I fucking LOVE both games. Doom is like a comfort food I know what I'm getting and familiar without being mind numbingly easy. Ultrakill scratches a completely different itch. Every time I pick the game back up, I learn a new bit of tech. The game kicks my ass and it's honestly exhausting to play but that's what I want from it. They're both FANTASTIC games far above all the sterilised AAA slop we're expected to like.
Also I think that comment about artstyle is a bit weird. What's doom covering up with it's graphics? It's just a product of it's development. Ultrakill has it's own distinct art style but do you think it'd look like that if it was made by a team with as many resources as ID and a big name publisher breathing down their necks? It doesn't seem to me that DE made any compromises for the sake of looking pretty. To me it seems like exactly the game we could have hoped for after 2016.
"Sending death threats" or doing anything to cause others trouble just because they didn't agree to their ideologies is stereotypical of woke leftists.
I'm sure leftists can do better than that.
UnderTheMayo is pretty much responsible for provoking the conflict between Ultrakill VS Doom fandoms from his review of Ultrakill.
underthemayo is like that one kid in elementary school who wanna be different and thinks Spider-Verse or The Dark Knight are bad movies
@@kindertak5396 It's not that big of a deal if he had that kind of opinion. But it'll be a different story if he goes as crazy as stalking, doxxing, and sending death threat to someone he disagree because they liked that kind of medium.
I only played ultrakill and I don’t want to be compared or even be close to its fans
How bad is your review on a game that caused both communities began conflict lmao 😭
Under the mayo goddangit...
As a 13 Yr old half of those 12 Yr old haven't even played the game I also love ULTRAKILL
I like Doom, I like Ultrakill, I like there songs. That's all there is to it. I have no idea why they hate each other, Like the only difference is one's a robot and the other is marine (in my eyes). I still have no idea how people have come to the conclusion of most if not all ultrakill players are femboys.
i never liked Ultrakill myself hecl I'm groaning when I see it pol out for me and yet still I agree both communities have their problem and should just chill the heck out. I mean this kind of hate leads to problems. Just let peope play what they fucking want and stfu about it.
bruh I was a doom fan then switched to ultrakill since it was more retro and less laggy but know ima throw quarters when I see a femboy trans gay person which is a ultrakill fan
And i personnly dont care and i play what i want which is doom but I respect ultrakill fans heck as someone who loves doom and god of war i like lets say some diffrent stuff too
the way you are describing doom players is what i consider myself as but i like ultrakill more so you are wrong(and very gay)
virgin one-side player vs chad play both player
real
the game mechanics on doom eternal are more modern then ultrakills mechanics so i dont get femboy logic im not trying learn though
I'm the middle of the package, i like Neon White more than both of them
2:35 isn't that a combine soilder?
2:53 is flag against zoophiles, not against furries
Ultrakill and Doom. The Duality of Man.
yeah.
I've played both, love em. Boomer shooter = good games.
to be honest i dont think every doom fan is an edgy 12 year old cause their parents wouldnt even let them play it
I made this video 8 months ago. i dont really feel proud about it tbh
they are both great im a doom fan but ultra kill is awesome
im scared tipping my toe i ultrakill comunity
ultrakill players put the GAY in gaybriel
u sound like an ultrakill fan too
As an ultrakill fan i can confirm that I am a catgirl
As a ultrakill player I stan Gabriel
When it comes to DOOM Eternal, I loved it on release. But over time, whenever i did a play-through I started to dislike it more and more. Now it’s just disappointing to me.
As for ULTRAKILL I tried getting into it (have about 40 hours logged on it) but it never clicked with me. I just felt that the whole QUAKE mixed with Devil May Cry approach never worked. Leading it to feeling like this awkward character action game.
0:43 THATS FUCKING ASTOLFO💀💀💀💀
because under the mayo exists
Point one makes sense, but only kind of. It's what I like to call the Canadian dilemma, where you struggle to differentiate one group identity from another. I do think it's a stretch though, because while there's a degree of overlap between the two games, I don't think they're that easy to confise at first glance. Especially when you consider that despite being older, DOOM never had a game that used the same first gen polygon aesthetic. That was a Quake thing, with DOOM 1-2 being stuck in that technically 3D but not really phase of the 90s and DOOM 3 being more second gen in terms of polygons.
Point 2 does have some merit to it, but I think you explained it somewhat poorly. Not to mention it only applies to a niche section of the fadom (though I admit I have little personal experience with DOOM fans). Also not to mention that OG DOOM might be more relevant than you stated around the 4 minute mark. DOOM has a cultural legacy of being edgy, and not simply because of the gore and heavy metal. One of the most infamous classic DOOM mods is the Columbine mod, and the references one of the shooters made to the game in preparation for the massacre. The DOOM wiki even has a page about it. This would be the start if a fandom tradition, fast forward to 2016, and a mid was made in response to the Pulse Nightclub massacre. This doesn't even touch the multitude of other edgy and offensive mods, like Grezzo 2 and the Moonman mod. Besides that, DOOM is simply pumped with testosterone and masculinity, but in a more asexual way By comparison, ULTRAKILL's dev team publicly endorses LGBTQ udeals, which have stopped being edgy at least a decade ago, as well as support for sexual freedom (see the body pillows and sex update). It could also be an intergenerational conflict as well though. DOOM is a brand that goes back to the 90s and to the childhoods of Millenials, where as ULTRAKILL appeals to the next generation, who are more willing to embrace a broader freedom to express alternative gender and sexual concepts.
Point 3 is perhaps the thing that hits the nail on the head perfectly. UtM trashes a game for not being what he expects, his fanbase takes it to heart, and the ULTRAKILL fanbase response by pulling apart DOOM Eternal and nitpicking all it's flaws (and the death threats). UtM is ultimately who is at fault here, not because he had an opinion, but because he had an opinion that nissed the mark, doubled down on it when people responded, and, I would argue, approached ULTRAKILL in bad faith just to prove his petty ammo complaint.
One last thing to close out, I think you should consider taking a more formal approach to these videos. Actually writing a script in an essay format and all. The pauses when trying to find the right words really takes out if the experience and can lead to less concise wording.
Im fan of this two and i love this two
Both games are epic, why hate?
As a doom and ultrakill fan... I do not know why both communities of my favourite game are arguing with eachother...
Both are prettt cool
BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO: as as someone who LOVES ULTRAKILL A LOT a would say, the fanbases dont HATE eachother, its just there are a few specific people who are rlly rlly dumb and even then its mostly one sided as a few doom fans **COUGH COUGH MAYO COUGH COUGH** dont understand ultrakill and thus dont like it and blame the game and call it bad, which makes the ultrakill fandom mad, soooo yeah ultrakill fandom doesnt hate the doom fandom we hate specific people IN IT
AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO: yeah, you basically said everything that needed to be said, i honestly forgot that a lot of eternal fans are of the "sigma male, anti-fur, anti-LGBTQ" crowd. but anyways. very great video good job :3
Both games are good. I’ve played them both and think they are both good. Doom and ultra kill both have awesome gameplay loops, soundtracks, and overall fast paced demon killing action. ultra kill also has a really high ceiling for the evolution of shitposting. Seriously, I like ultrakill shitposts enough to where I will literally become a shitpost as V1 in vrchat. I agree that both fan bases should try to come together because, like I said, they are both great games, doom eternal and ultrakill
100% agree
MOBA fans don’t get bullied nearly as much as they should…
I came to DE from 2016, and tried getting into it but didn't like several of the changes that make it consistently less fun for me. Then it comes to find that everything related to doom is full of people loudly proclaiming that it's the best thing since sliced Jesus and that everyone who has any problem with the changes from 2016 are just idiots who can't play games who need to shut up, something something game journalists.
Then of course came Mayo who was basically a lightning rod that exemplified all the elitism I disliked from the Doom Eternal community.
If doom and ultrakill were combined would it be named eternal ultra death
Anyways if they were combined i feel like it would be a pretty good game of course the difficulty would be insane probably comparable to souls game (if they both on their own aren’t considered as hard as a souls game)
The style meter plus coins plus doom eternals different variety enemies would make for some fun imagine throwing a qaurter balista boosting away and then pbing the coin then quick switching into a rocket launcher meathooking away throwing a coin then pbing it and it hitting a enemies the techs would be crazy
Keep in mind i haven’t even played ultrakill im a console player so we don’t get that luxury but im just going off what i have seen
Doom is a good game, but honestly I just don't understand how people can love doom, the same, or even more than ultrakill. I really like ghostrunner too
4:32 yeah but one is a femboy with adhd and the other is an edgy 12-14 year old