cho nation/atlas/soaked have all stopped siege and nw because of this dumb new system these trash devs are doing the game might as well die since no pvp
I legit just quit the game. The whole reason I geared up was to do node wars, and when I finally hit the point I can do node wars and start to RLY enjoy the game, 6 months later they kill it for me. Fastest uninstall of my life, fk this game, and fk the dev team for these DOG$H!T changes.
Yeah, wanted to get back into the game and start to engage with guild pvp and now I am just quitting again until I have time to play again and PvP changes are fixed. But honestly if another good GvG mmo releases in the meantime, I will simply play that.
@@crazy9lycanBDO stopped being a "PvP" mmo a while ago when they started catering to the PvE side. This isn't a good sign of the devs getting feedback and wanting to fix things for the health of the game/community. They already did that with a lot of the rebalance for karma and open world hostilities. This is stupid. As someone who quit BDO because it was hard PvP focused and I didn't enjoy it... and returned to do PvE/Lifeskill content.... I have no interest in the PvP portions of the game. I think this is stupid. It isn't about one-up-manship "hue hue hue, this'll show those pvpers!". It is about the devs ruining a portion of the game for the people that enjoy it with no appreciable net gain for the community.
@@Mrkitsith666unfortunately that is not, and cannot be, a thing. There is no such thing as "perfection for all" because even within each demographic there will be different wants and needs. What PA should be trying to do is to maximize the fun for the maximum amount of players. I think that is what they're trying to do... but this is not the way to go about it.
@@terencebrock5206 Its hard to say that we will when we dont even have Valencia RBF yet. It seems strange that the community jokes that we just wont get things and then the same community would be convinced we get this every other patch. We very realistically could just never get the new node wars.
Okay, so im going to put my 2 cents in here, sorry about it been long but I've had time to think about this (I am coming from one of those 'New' guild that the change is intended for) First point: I returned to the game from quitting 5 years ago, and at that time our guild WAS a siege/nw guild, but stopped because players burnt out and recently returned to the scene. 1) The changes although catered towards bringing new guilds into PvP actively does nothing to help those guilds, so for example, as a new guild, how do you ever win a fort? The answer is, you don't, whether it be Capped 550, Capped 685 or uncapped, it does not matter, all that happens is you just get farmed by the actual pvp guilds. 2) Okay your getting shit on by pvp'ers but at least you get some rewards right? Well not necessarily, if you do not cap a fort in the NW, you get absolutely nothing and most newer guilds are going to struggle to push and destroy a fort held by a guild who has experience in pvp, so what ends up happening? The pve/new guilds participating just stop going to NW's because it's pointless? 3) This change was intended to make alliances obsolete, but all that happens is you have lets say a 3 guild alliance and choose mediah/valencia regions. well one of you is guarenteed to have an ally. So how the hell does this change alliances? It simply doesn't 4) The last guild to own the fort wins the node, which actively means you don't want to hold the fort until the last minute of the timer, which is actively meaning your not doing pvp? I have loads more to add but don't want this to be too long, but there are a million changes they could do to improve the system. As a league of legends player @BlueSquadron I think you will understand this reference. What as a gamer is more enjoyable in league, a game in which you win in 15 minutes where the kills are like 30-0, a game which you lose in 15 minutes where you are 0-30 OR a 50 minute back and forth fight that has kills like 60-58 where you don't know who is going to win until the very end. Now if you ask anyone that enjoys playing games, the 3rd option would be the choice that they choose almost EVERY single time. That's the issue with NW, there is minimal fighting, and 95% of the time, your either getting completely smashed in 5 seconds, or you are trashing an entire guild in 5 seconds then go to paint like bob ross for 55 minutes. TLDR: Even as a new guild/PvE 90% majority, the new system is complete ass
As a returning player, after about 4 years.. i LOVEE the direction the game is going and have spent significant money. The reason i want to progress is to take part in the competitive uncaped scene.. well ops, looks like its dying. now my spending looks like support for all these changes.
I Joined in 2022 as a first MMO experience specially after watching pvp gameplay and combat review, then realized it take quite the time run to get in the pvp scene, now i'm 745 GS barely touching the game because the pvp experience is inexistant(EU) compared to all the hype that was gradually disapearing as i progressed throught the game, had barely enought time to have fun to compensate all the time to grind up/understanding PVP. And overtime i was baffled people would stick to the game in the HOPE of a company making good pvp content and waste all this time waiting, i will not waste any, time is precious. They'll regret anyway with how much of the true core players of this game are dessatisfied up to the point of resent and are seriously leaving. Good Luck with your mess PA
After looking at glab this week, feel like NW become another adventure log. Bad system with good reward, and the dev is like oh we get more people doing it, it must be good.
The devs would probably go and reinforce the wings on WW2 planes, because no plane that returned had engine issues. Then wonder why no planes return anymore and simply say, planes are not it, we do not need air force.
I don't have any interest in large-scale PVP, and even I think the changes are insane. Blue's analysis is spot on. Open world changes are helping ease new players into the game (which is great for everyone who wants to play this 5 years from now), but NW changes are nuts.
Looks like the not much has changed since I quit playing. I played for 4 years (from day 1 in NA), 20k hours on my account, was in ManUp, back then we owned Valencia the entire time I was in guild. Literally anything I could do in game for 3 hours was worth more than the benefits we got from NWs. Got boring and tedious, ended up just leaving guilds all together and went solo (which is when I started to have fun again and it quit feeling like a job). I went out with a bang doing Pen roulette right before the PA shift happened and quit. Found your videos, might pickup playing again fresh as a solo just for fun. Thanks for the vids, catching up on what I missed over the years.
If the Nodes and Sieges were FAIR, and there were no PROGRAMMED FIGHTS TO WIN WHO INTERESTS, perhaps the nodes would be more interesting. So they only serve those who really care about the fights, those who cry are those who are used to serving as a CROWD OR WINNING BY DEMAND.
@@crazy9lycan If they bring convincing PvE sure. Right now if you wanna have a PvE game BDO is one of the worst MMO's, e.g. Tera or BnS are way ahead in the PvE scene.
FUCK. been farming to get good GS for node wars... I get to 703 for this ? I left other MMO'S for 2 fucking reasons. Good combat, and PVP... PVE it's NOT, i repeat, NOT GOOD in BDO, the combat is (that's why the PVE feels good). No pvp ? No objective on this game. In other games you can focus on PVE on diferent ways, raids(dont even try to call atoraxxion raid), dungeons, try to clear it faster/efficient, play it with diferent roles (dps,tank,healer), diferent builds. Diferent builds? nahhh on BDO is BS's Fallen god and debos thats it ?! If you dont cant see the good and the bad points on your game, you already done. My bad for wasting my time, should have seen it coming. The red flags were all over the place already. Have fun everyone.
The problem was that while the pvp players may be smaller in number than the pve players, the face and fame of black desert has always been the pvp. Every other mmo does pve content and lifeskill content better than bdo. and money wise the pvper has always spent more money than any pve player. hence why PA is always losing money and why they are now putting crons for life skill gear. hoping to get them to spend cash on the costumes and bring back up their sales. their is a reason why they made a pvp trailer trying to advertise the pvp and not the pve or life skills. Its because they know it sucks. they should have left the pvp scene alone if all they could conceive was punish people for engaging in there most popular content.
The final stick has fallen.. PvP is now a forgotten wasteland of the past.. i will prolly just quit the game at this point cus there is no reason to gear up anymore, PvE? Was only fun when you knew you could use your own progression in nodewars and actually enjoy the game, we've ran enough circles... RBF? Nah fam, layer of layer stacked on top of each other to "balance".. PA have managed to fuck over almost all pvp in the game, Nodewars.. open world.. GvG...RBF... They will not stop befor they have destroyed us all Thanks Blue for being a beacon of content and fun for the longest time, always keep up the good work!
At least Siege still looks similar to old times... node wars are like a 2v1 forever, untill it suddenly one team gets to win, the start is also very boring until you can get a flag.
With everything going on with BDO these days I finally decided to cheat on BDO for the first time in 7 years and play some other games. (More just solo player stuff at the moment). .....Man, I've been missing out on some fun games. I will state, I'm still logged in to fish for seals currently... but that is the extent of my motivation with the current state of the game. I guess we will see what Heidel Ball brings to the table, but what I have finally come to realize is.....even if Jae destroys BDO even further than he already has and I finally lose the motivation to even login for rewards...... I won't really feel like I'm missing out on much. I've had some wonderful BDO memories over the years, the game still holds a huge place in my heart.... but it's not the same game anymore.
At this point each guild may as well bring a designated challenger to NW and complete the cycle of pacifism playing Yar to distribute forts lmao With the moves PA has been making, the ball next week week is either going to be feeling extremely barren or will be a juiced reward coverup operation
I actually don't think J will win. Ball is gonna come, console will get nothing and it'll die. PC will be hyped then realize they have to wait for Korea to have fun with the toy then they get it.
saying 10% of players is pvp and 90% pve is just silly if aos or redbattlefield gave the same amount of silver/loot per hour as grinding I dont think that many would grind anymore and people do life skills when they are done with pve. Lets be honest they dont make any money from pve players they are the ones buying all the outfits (trading in game time to real life time) people with money dont spend their time on grinding circles when they can just put credit card information
The thing that made node wars fun was the stategy and selective fort placements and fortifed bases its not like pve is so great in this game anyway they doing all this and barely improving the pve side of the game so whats the identity of black desert now
Add a trophy system to open world pvp, have someones named skull as an item that drops, just for fun, maybe make them tradable or sellable, seeing as how there were name auctions, i don't think it's the most stupid idea.
Even when PvP is interesting and fun, it's horrible to spectate/watch. PA need to stop fixing pixels on shai bikini outfits and start fixing the game. 10 years of open beta without one single piece of content that feels polished, or even finished.
You know I remember first playing this game beta and then a year into this they told us pvp/pve would get different servers (lies) and then pvp'ers would camp low gear players and dec guilds just to bully the fuck out of them. At the time bdo made it extremely pvp friendly and treated the pve'ers like dogshit. Now pvp'ers are getting this treatment and I can honestly say in loki's voice "YES! That's how it feels!". but in all seriousness, bye felicia.
Blue, I know you are going to heidal ball in france. If you are truly that passionate about this game mode and want changes (or better still, have a list of changes in mind), the best time to give feedback is to do it in person at heidal ball, preferably directly to J if possible (bring someone who can translate....or I guess translation software on your phone might do a passable job). People on the internet like to think yelling into the void that is the internet will affect changes, but nothing has a greater impact that talking to the guy FACE TO FACE about it. This applies to any of the EU node war people who might be going there. I mean, I know you have gamers nexus on your youtube feed (you've shown that in past videos) and you definitely know how steve is handling asus (and newegg beforehand) by talking in person. Personally I couldn't care less since I don't do node war, but since you do care, get ready to air your grievances in person at the ball.
completely new nodewar system where its basicly become a 5min RBF fight. there aint no tactics no strategy. you sign up look at the timer (sometimes u get a rarndom timer thats hidden) but mostly u et timers like 30mins or 40mins sometimes only 15mins. and you just wait fo rthat timer to hit around 2mins and u completely zerg the stick in that zone and you win. there is no defending it against big geared guilds. and it doesnt matter if you held the fort for 40 mins out of a 42min timer. the last guild to have it wins. the idea was to have less snipe guilds and to stop the op guilds like NA chonation EU conquer and the 3 guild circle jerk in korea to not be able to hold nodes indefinitly. and now its just full on snipes everywhere. and the big guilds are just sitting afk at the most profitable stick of the day and afk for the timer and get all the loot
@@natsumiru3485 jezz christ who tought that was a good idea ??? so you dont have people for deffending bases cannons or anything ? its just headless chicken run ?
they should just straight up copy throne and liberty's system cuz it seems like they tried to but missed the most important bit lol. like holding the flag/base for the MOST amount of time. Not last hitting it.
what top 2 guild did he shotcall for? it wasn't BR, Cho, or Digi.... he better not be claiming VRTX was top 2 when he got ran over by BR in Ash forrest the only 1v1 they did against BR
BDO is a single player pve game with some social interactions. Also I just wanna add why couldn't PA just have made it to were you could mark your guild as a PvE/PvX/PvP guild and only PvP/PvX guilds could send and receive decs.... huh
Where Blue is not really understanding anything is when it comes to more complicated things like Dec changes and so on. The Dec changes are negative for both PvE and PvP player because both sides need this and it’s pa fault that open world did become bad. Before all this we did have a lot of open world and it was not “toxic” because the progression system was good. Nowadays you have 720 GS player chilling at Zentaurus obviously this will make new players who this spot is meant for feehl farmed. Open world is bad because of the PvE system that PA put in place and the constant witch hunt against PvP. This game SOLELY THRIVES on open world PvP. Without open world PvP you literally do not need more than season gear Also blue dose not understand that the “PvP” players make up a large portion of BDO because everyone who dose some sort of PvP even if it’s sometimes casual is a PvP player and all this people are affected by the issues. Dec changes was the final nail in the coffin for this game. It’s currently in the dying stages. That’s why the release gunner. In every MMO gunner is the last cash grab when the game is dying
I was a PVE player 2015-2020, took a break for intense work schedule for 4 years. Came back with an interest in trying PVP this time around.. 2 months later they pull this crap. SMH..
PA should've kept open-world PVP as it was in my opinion i know the majority who are PVE players disliked it but it was the ultimate PVP experience (atleast in my opinion) mostly because of its randomness and the scale of which the gvg could start & end also ever since that change it feels like pvp is being fought against by PA lol
My best guess is that he probably will if they’re noteworthy, but if PA ruins that part of the game basically dies out then well.. can’t really spectate if there’s nothing to see
i am in a pvx or mostly pve guild we do guild leauge thats all . and 80% of my guild also hate the one sided dec changes btw. so I think it's not as clear as you make it
@@droger1448 Umm...no. Choice did it in 2 months...with NA market and grinding like 10 hours a day. Doing what he did on console, you are looking at 6 months. For more reasonable players, you are looking at 2 years.
@droger1448 yes...spend 6 figures and you can do it. Totally reasonable...sigh. So your claim is Choice isn't a competent play. Because he couldn't do it in a MUCH better state of the game than console. Odd take there...that NOBODY with a brain will agree to.
but "we understand most players are enjoying the new node war system...but" and that there's the issue. they're in classic denial. you gotta wonder how many people need to bail out of the game or how much global feedback they can get away with ignoring before they undo or fix this. This situation is hilariously bad.
They're killing the last bit of PvP in the game and the worst part is BDO can't even be a good PvE game. Why? Because Lost Ark (as a fellow Korean competitor) has it beat in that department. Every PvE player from other games wants epic raids, and PA's shit coders can't make it happen. As much as BDO players like to shit on Lost Ark for being slightly more p2w and a top down camera, their player base is still about the same size as BDO's, and even after last summer's fiasco, Lost Ark still brought its players back. BDO? We've only lost players and content creators. Jae's star streamer Jinga (the enhancement clips girl) left to Lost Ark because of how PA handled their KR partner program and PA haven't done shit to bring back its creators. Even the big streamer NoDolly hasn't returned to BDO, in fact he's also back on Lost Ark. All those pve streamers that tried the game last summer never came back. Why? BECAUSE THE COMBAT ALONE CANNOT CARRY THE LACK OF GOOD PVE. 😭
Their plan is to drive pvpers away and most players become pvers/lifeskillers so then they will be the loudest community and PA will actually hear them 😂😂😂😂😂
Node wars are some of the worst pvp I have experienced. I don't understand how anyone enjoys it. While the combat is good. The lag, desync, awful engine. You aren't killing anyone with skill. ESO, GW2 and even WoW battlegrounds are infinitely better in every way.
stuff like nodewars should be fun, that should be the reason for people to play. every time a developer puts insane rewards into a system that should be fun, its because they wanna force you to do it, because they know it's not so much fun... but people will do it for the rewards. and then they can say "see people like it". its a bad loop. a good example is that m+ stuff in wow as well, remove rewards = no one does it because ain't no fun anyways.
So you're telling me society has evolved to this point ... I'm watching Blue watch DJulesTV watch Choice... HOW MUCH EFFORT JUST NOT TO PLAY THE GAME ! 😂
And now I'm reading your comment at 6:30am about you watching Nuked watching Blue watching Jules, watching Choice. This rabbit hole is getting scary. 😂
bdo just going downhill lol, I quit in January lol best decision I could have made. I have given up hope that they will make the game better. it sucks all around lol.
I think if you dont enjoy it you shouldnt participate. Absolutely a good move. PA has little choice but to use metrics as feedback. 99% of the playerbase likely isnt giving written feedback on the forums. Its similar to the open world changes youll see people screeching about it but honestly most people i know are happy to not deal with it outside Arsha/GvGs. My guild has 4 decs going right now with other guilds. I suspect the people complaining are the ones that liked unfair fights ganking life skillers because they are too soft to fight pvpers. People that dont give a crap or like the change don't as frequently write angry rants..they play. So if you are playing in the system you dont like you are effectively being a false positive. I dont mind the system we have had some duds but also some real bangers. "No strategy" is total cap. There is certainly issues but you can be pretty creative with annexes. There is definitely issues but its been like a month 🤷 I expect changes to be coming. Its not a good idea to rapidly change it every patch itll have to improve over several iterations. Definitely keep complaining feedback is good imo.
This system makes me doubt the intelligence of the developers, do they really have gray matter in their heads? it's obvious that the forts can be stolen in the last 2 minutes xD
In my experience at a corporation, most big decisions as a whole are not made by the developers. In fact, it's not normal for developers to just change or make something that would largely affect users without some sort of input. The developers just have the ability to program/develop it and explain how long/difficult it will be to do. They are largely told what to do by higher ups. In my experience, everything I've created was largely decided by someone higher up and then I was tasked to do it. I've had to create things that I disagreed with, but at the end of the day I've had to listen to my superiors and implement it. The UI/UX is really the only thing I feel I can put my own creative spin on and ensure at least that is decent. I'm sure in more micro-managed companies even that aspect could be decided by others. I think it's possible that your blaming the wrong people, though. I could be wrong, but if you have more info regarding how the decisions are made at PA then I'd be interested in hearing it.
Blue saying he is a positive guy and always looking for the bright side, is the funniest joke I heard today 22:00, he is always saying bad things about every single update even before they launch.
I think it's a giant move to cater to Pve and lifeskillerd that spend more money on the game rather than more time. Im not saying it's right morally but what I am saying they are looking to cash in on people that play swipe leave and repeat rather than people who live on the game using resources and not spending any money.
The new system is really bad for t4 and uncapped NW, but honestly on EU at least t1 is really popping off. There is usually 15-20 guilds dropping and there is non-stop fights. If they tune it a bit better and fix the last hit fort RNG the system would work well for t1. I agree for more hardcore guilds guilds and uncapped tho it really sucks.
the EU t1 scene was the one that had the protest. There are always a lot of guilds on t1 nodes. Don’t be tricked into believing it’s working because t1 has a lot of forts
T1 has always been full of guilds, it was extremely common for t1 nodes to have 10-15 guilds fighting, so no all the new system has done is wash out some pvp t1 guilds in favour of pve guilds
It's crazy to me that GW2 has better large scale pvp and it's so old it's basically an antique at this point. Plus the shot callers in GW2 are so much better
so if the one sided dec changes were to stop pvp people from decing pve people and were the minority of 10% there shouldnt have been that many decs to begin with in the grand scale of things from what i remember it was pve people decing pve people an getting upset cause most top end dont care about fighting scrubs but thats just how i see it
The T1 node war scene is up huge, a lot more participants than before, we're having a lot of fun. And no they aren't just all pve snipe guilds, we truly do have a lot of fun Balenos/Serendia node wars. The lack of politics is a huge plus. I don't know what to do about the higher tiers, but then you've got guilds dodging uncapped when they should be playing uncapped.
Tbh man you cant be Less toxic when you talk to „rock” for this long and all your constructive Feedback is summarized to sentence in patch notes that they are happy bcs people like this system
They don't even look at the constructive feedback it's proven multiple times from various creative sources even former cm's we are ignored the only feedback they care about is Korea and thankfully the UN podcast that's it they only way to get them to look at feedback from us is to exploit a bug and make a video and showcase it risk getting banned just for them to look out way there's no other option but to be toxic when your constantly ignored
Dude Listening is required to gain that sort of respect. PA has cultivated this community by ignoring the player base for so long the only way people feel heard is to be toxic
Respect is a 2 way street. Pa continues to increase p2w and is killing pvp. But yeah feel free to keep kissing A. Maybe they’ll give you an rng boost so u can finally pop your pen reblath
Since the Start of the notice of the NW Changes you have been super Negative towards it. You keep saying it does not need to be changed. What we have is good. Cleary it is not good when like you said only 10% want to do that content. Something is wrong. All I hear is you say it is shit and am not doing it. Why not come up with ideas to maybe get some of those PVE players to come try out what you call was some of the best content in the game.
Just want them to do better before theres no pvp community left 😔
the fish of the people
cho nation/atlas/soaked have all stopped siege and nw because of this dumb new system these trash devs are doing the game might as well die since no pvp
From what I heard, between Guild league or AoS, you cannot pick one, you play what PA picked for you.
I legit just quit the game. The whole reason I geared up was to do node wars, and when I finally hit the point I can do node wars and start to RLY enjoy the game, 6 months later they kill it for me. Fastest uninstall of my life, fk this game, and fk the dev team for these DOG$H!T changes.
Yeah, wanted to get back into the game and start to engage with guild pvp and now I am just quitting again until I have time to play again and PvP changes are fixed.
But honestly if another good GvG mmo releases in the meantime, I will simply play that.
Same lol, went from 700 to 740 in 2 months only to have uncapped being a ghost ass town LMFAO
Same once I saw the pvp system. Was so hyped once I hit over 700gs and then was massively let down by the pvp.
It starting to feel like this is PA’s grand plan to officially kill PvP in the game at this point
Isn't it great. Pvp focused mmos die and they learned their lesson and are headed more toward pve like they should have done from the get go.
@@crazy9lycan Why not just cater to both? Make pvp and pve exactly what everyone wants in every aspect.
If you really don’t like pvp pa should just make a complete non pvp server. That way reds and other pvp can get their changes reversed
@@crazy9lycanBDO stopped being a "PvP" mmo a while ago when they started catering to the PvE side. This isn't a good sign of the devs getting feedback and wanting to fix things for the health of the game/community. They already did that with a lot of the rebalance for karma and open world hostilities. This is stupid.
As someone who quit BDO because it was hard PvP focused and I didn't enjoy it... and returned to do PvE/Lifeskill content.... I have no interest in the PvP portions of the game.
I think this is stupid.
It isn't about one-up-manship "hue hue hue, this'll show those pvpers!". It is about the devs ruining a portion of the game for the people that enjoy it with no appreciable net gain for the community.
@@Mrkitsith666unfortunately that is not, and cannot be, a thing. There is no such thing as "perfection for all" because even within each demographic there will be different wants and needs.
What PA should be trying to do is to maximize the fun for the maximum amount of players.
I think that is what they're trying to do... but this is not the way to go about it.
Time to make a BDO console account 😆. We wont get the new system for, at least, another 2 years.
wait, BDO console still using old NW system?
lmaooo yes, cause nothing gets updated in console
Bruh we are getting that shit before this year is up 100% maybe even after the ball
Nobody wants to play on dogshit console bro
@@terencebrock5206 Its hard to say that we will when we dont even have Valencia RBF yet. It seems strange that the community jokes that we just wont get things and then the same community would be convinced we get this every other patch. We very realistically could just never get the new node wars.
to be honest we should probably thank jae I havent logged in for over a month now he fixed my bdo addiction
"Have you ever played this game" BDO dev surely never.
Okay, so im going to put my 2 cents in here, sorry about it been long but I've had time to think about this (I am coming from one of those 'New' guild that the change is intended for)
First point: I returned to the game from quitting 5 years ago, and at that time our guild WAS a siege/nw guild, but stopped because players burnt out and recently returned to the scene.
1) The changes although catered towards bringing new guilds into PvP actively does nothing to help those guilds, so for example, as a new guild, how do you ever win a fort? The answer is, you don't, whether it be Capped 550, Capped 685 or uncapped, it does not matter, all that happens is you just get farmed by the actual pvp guilds.
2) Okay your getting shit on by pvp'ers but at least you get some rewards right? Well not necessarily, if you do not cap a fort in the NW, you get absolutely nothing and most newer guilds are going to struggle to push and destroy a fort held by a guild who has experience in pvp, so what ends up happening? The pve/new guilds participating just stop going to NW's because it's pointless?
3) This change was intended to make alliances obsolete, but all that happens is you have lets say a 3 guild alliance and choose mediah/valencia regions. well one of you is guarenteed to have an ally. So how the hell does this change alliances? It simply doesn't
4) The last guild to own the fort wins the node, which actively means you don't want to hold the fort until the last minute of the timer, which is actively meaning your not doing pvp?
I have loads more to add but don't want this to be too long, but there are a million changes they could do to improve the system.
As a league of legends player @BlueSquadron I think you will understand this reference.
What as a gamer is more enjoyable in league, a game in which you win in 15 minutes where the kills are like 30-0, a game which you lose in 15 minutes where you are 0-30 OR a 50 minute back and forth fight that has kills like 60-58 where you don't know who is going to win until the very end.
Now if you ask anyone that enjoys playing games, the 3rd option would be the choice that they choose almost EVERY single time.
That's the issue with NW, there is minimal fighting, and 95% of the time, your either getting completely smashed in 5 seconds, or you are trashing an entire guild in 5 seconds then go to paint like bob ross for 55 minutes.
TLDR: Even as a new guild/PvE 90% majority, the new system is complete ass
As a returning player, after about 4 years.. i LOVEE the direction the game is going and have spent significant money. The reason i want to progress is to take part in the competitive uncaped scene.. well ops, looks like its dying. now my spending looks like support for all these changes.
Sucks that I finally grinded myself up to a respectable gear score just in time for the PvP apocalypse
I Joined in 2022 as a first MMO experience specially after watching pvp gameplay and combat review, then realized it take quite the time run to get in the pvp scene, now i'm 745 GS barely touching the game because the pvp experience is inexistant(EU) compared to all the hype that was gradually disapearing as i progressed throught the game, had barely enought time to have fun to compensate all the time to grind up/understanding PVP. And overtime i was baffled people would stick to the game in the HOPE of a company making good pvp content and waste all this time waiting, i will not waste any, time is precious. They'll regret anyway with how much of the true core players of this game are dessatisfied up to the point of resent and are seriously leaving. Good Luck with your mess PA
After looking at glab this week, feel like NW become another adventure log.
Bad system with good reward, and the dev is like oh we get more people doing it, it must be good.
The devs would probably go and reinforce the wings on WW2 planes, because no plane that returned had engine issues.
Then wonder why no planes return anymore and simply say, planes are not it, we do not need air force.
I feel that as a long time caller/guild lead.
Shotcall NA/EU Console. Well have the og NW for at least the next year or longer... find out more at heidel ball.
Would instantly quit EU console and come to NA to have blue as shotcaller 😂if he would do that wich is highly doubtful tho
J can win the battles but the game itself will lose the war lol.
I don't have any interest in large-scale PVP, and even I think the changes are insane. Blue's analysis is spot on. Open world changes are helping ease new players into the game (which is great for everyone who wants to play this 5 years from now), but NW changes are nuts.
mr.boombastic was farming boombastic seals in desert fogans
Looks like the not much has changed since I quit playing. I played for 4 years (from day 1 in NA), 20k hours on my account, was in ManUp, back then we owned Valencia the entire time I was in guild. Literally anything I could do in game for 3 hours was worth more than the benefits we got from NWs. Got boring and tedious, ended up just leaving guilds all together and went solo (which is when I started to have fun again and it quit feeling like a job). I went out with a bang doing Pen roulette right before the PA shift happened and quit. Found your videos, might pickup playing again fresh as a solo just for fun. Thanks for the vids, catching up on what I missed over the years.
If the Nodes and Sieges were FAIR, and there were no PROGRAMMED FIGHTS TO WIN WHO INTERESTS, perhaps the nodes would be more interesting. So they only serve those who really care about the fights, those who cry are those who are used to serving as a CROWD OR WINNING BY DEMAND.
giving me flashbacks to eve online days
It sounds like the T1 changes are relatively ok. Maybe they keep those and roll back the T2 and T3/ uncapped changes.
Some laughed about OW pvp, and I was okay with just some form of pvp elsewhere but if pvp just dies and PvE takes completely over I quit.
Isn't it great. Pvp focused mmos die and they learned their lesson and are headed more toward pve like they should have done from the get go.
@@crazy9lycan L
@@crazy9lycan If they bring convincing PvE sure. Right now if you wanna have a PvE game BDO is one of the worst MMO's, e.g. Tera or BnS are way ahead in the PvE scene.
@@crazy9lycan L take, you also sound like someone who never played BDO.
@@crazy9lycan Literally every other mmo in existence is better than BDO for pve. WAKE UP. OPEN YOUR EYES.
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FUCK. been farming to get good GS for node wars... I get to 703 for this ? I left other MMO'S for 2 fucking reasons. Good combat, and PVP... PVE it's NOT, i repeat, NOT GOOD in BDO, the combat is (that's why the PVE feels good). No pvp ? No objective on this game. In other games you can focus on PVE on diferent ways, raids(dont even try to call atoraxxion raid), dungeons, try to clear it faster/efficient, play it with diferent roles (dps,tank,healer), diferent builds. Diferent builds? nahhh on BDO is BS's Fallen god and debos thats it ?! If you dont cant see the good and the bad points on your game, you already done. My bad for wasting my time, should have seen it coming. The red flags were all over the place already. Have fun everyone.
Red flags have always been there buddy. Just hope you didn't spend too much.
Yep. Haven't played in 111days. Lol
The problem was that while the pvp players may be smaller in number than the pve players, the face and fame of black desert has always been the pvp. Every other mmo does pve content and lifeskill content better than bdo. and money wise the pvper has always spent more money than any pve player. hence why PA is always losing money and why they are now putting crons for life skill gear. hoping to get them to spend cash on the costumes and bring back up their sales. their is a reason why they made a pvp trailer trying to advertise the pvp and not the pve or life skills. Its because they know it sucks. they should have left the pvp scene alone if all they could conceive was punish people for engaging in there most popular content.
The final stick has fallen.. PvP is now a forgotten wasteland of the past.. i will prolly just quit the game at this point cus there is no reason to gear up anymore, PvE? Was only fun when you knew you could use your own progression in nodewars and actually enjoy the game, we've ran enough circles... RBF? Nah fam, layer of layer stacked on top of each other to "balance"..
PA have managed to fuck over almost all pvp in the game, Nodewars.. open world.. GvG...RBF... They will not stop befor they have destroyed us all
Thanks Blue for being a beacon of content and fun for the longest time, always keep up the good work!
At least Siege still looks similar to old times... node wars are like a 2v1 forever, untill it suddenly one team gets to win, the start is also very boring until you can get a flag.
With everything going on with BDO these days I finally decided to cheat on BDO for the first time in 7 years and play some other games. (More just solo player stuff at the moment).
.....Man, I've been missing out on some fun games. I will state, I'm still logged in to fish for seals currently... but that is the extent of my motivation with the current state of the game. I guess we will see what Heidel Ball brings to the table, but what I have finally come to realize is.....even if Jae destroys BDO even further than he already has and I finally lose the motivation to even login for rewards...... I won't really feel like I'm missing out on much.
I've had some wonderful BDO memories over the years, the game still holds a huge place in my heart.... but it's not the same game anymore.
At this point each guild may as well bring a designated challenger to NW and complete the cycle of pacifism playing Yar to distribute forts lmao
With the moves PA has been making, the ball next week week is either going to be feeling extremely barren or will be a juiced reward coverup operation
I actually don't think J will win. Ball is gonna come, console will get nothing and it'll die. PC will be hyped then realize they have to wait for Korea to have fun with the toy then they get it.
saying 10% of players is pvp and 90% pve is just silly if aos or redbattlefield gave the same amount of silver/loot per hour as grinding I dont think that many would grind anymore and people do life skills when they are done with pve. Lets be honest they dont make any money from pve players they are the ones buying all the outfits (trading in game time to real life time) people with money dont spend their time on grinding circles when they can just put credit card information
TOO BASED
hold up
wasnt pve guild cant be declared since they dont do all kind of war ?
so whats the point ?
The thing that made node wars fun was the stategy and selective fort placements and fortifed bases its not like pve is so great in this game anyway they doing all this and barely improving the pve side of the game so whats the identity of black desert now
fire jae
Add a trophy system to open world pvp, have someones named skull as an item that drops, just for fun, maybe make them tradable or sellable, seeing as how there were name auctions, i don't think it's the most stupid idea.
Even when PvP is interesting and fun, it's horrible to spectate/watch. PA need to stop fixing pixels on shai bikini outfits and start fixing the game. 10 years of open beta without one single piece of content that feels polished, or even finished.
F Combat.. Still in my heart.❤
Bold of us to assume PA wanted us to take one fort then still attack another. Lmfao. J doesn't want us to PVP.
Overall playerbase is fishing not even PvE, they are just AFK
You know I remember first playing this game beta and then a year into this they told us pvp/pve would get different servers (lies) and then pvp'ers would camp low gear players and dec guilds just to bully the fuck out of them. At the time bdo made it extremely pvp friendly and treated the pve'ers like dogshit. Now pvp'ers are getting this treatment and I can honestly say in loki's voice "YES! That's how it feels!". but in all seriousness, bye felicia.
they can make this new system better then it is 'just keep sending feed back'
(Let hope for the best)
Blue, I know you are going to heidal ball in france. If you are truly that passionate about this game mode and want changes (or better still, have a list of changes in mind), the best time to give feedback is to do it in person at heidal ball, preferably directly to J if possible (bring someone who can translate....or I guess translation software on your phone might do a passable job). People on the internet like to think yelling into the void that is the internet will affect changes, but nothing has a greater impact that talking to the guy FACE TO FACE about it. This applies to any of the EU node war people who might be going there. I mean, I know you have gamers nexus on your youtube feed (you've shown that in past videos) and you definitely know how steve is handling asus (and newegg beforehand) by talking in person.
Personally I couldn't care less since I don't do node war, but since you do care, get ready to air your grievances in person at the ball.
have been away for 6 months.. whats wrong / done with NWs ?
completely new nodewar system where its basicly become a 5min RBF fight. there aint no tactics no strategy. you sign up look at the timer (sometimes u get a rarndom timer thats hidden) but mostly u et timers like 30mins or 40mins sometimes only 15mins. and you just wait fo rthat timer to hit around 2mins and u completely zerg the stick in that zone and you win. there is no defending it against big geared guilds. and it doesnt matter if you held the fort for 40 mins out of a 42min timer. the last guild to have it wins. the idea was to have less snipe guilds and to stop the op guilds like NA chonation EU conquer and the 3 guild circle jerk in korea to not be able to hold nodes indefinitly. and now its just full on snipes everywhere. and the big guilds are just sitting afk at the most profitable stick of the day and afk for the timer and get all the loot
@@natsumiru3485 jezz christ who tought that was a good idea ??? so you dont have people for deffending bases cannons or anything ? its just headless chicken run ?
The content creators should just have a protest and not go to the heidel ball, just go to the bar next too it.
they should just straight up copy throne and liberty's system cuz it seems like they tried to but missed the most important bit lol. like holding the flag/base for the MOST amount of time. Not last hitting it.
wait, there's still node war? in SEA we just do WH for GBR - Easy 1B for less than an hour lol
what top 2 guild did he shotcall for? it wasn't BR, Cho, or Digi.... he better not be claiming VRTX was top 2 when he got ran over by BR in Ash forrest the only 1v1 they did against BR
BDO is a single player pve game with some social interactions. Also I just wanna add why couldn't PA just have made it to were you could mark your guild as a PvE/PvX/PvP guild and only PvP/PvX guilds could send and receive decs.... huh
t1 pretty fun on NA.. Def requires a lot more individual player skill vs 70+ nw's/siege.
let's see who's gonna win, new players & casual players or "experienced pvp veteran players". but i believe this is just for NA/EU only.
I just want the dec system back.....
the old system was much much better, i dont understand how that shit went through.
GW2 has fun pvp. It's not on BDOs level but it makes fun. I love BDO but they are killing it..
let us know if you start a guild on eu
Where Blue is not really understanding anything is when it comes to more complicated things like Dec changes and so on. The Dec changes are negative for both PvE and PvP player because both sides need this and it’s pa fault that open world did become bad. Before all this we did have a lot of open world and it was not “toxic” because the progression system was good. Nowadays you have 720 GS player chilling at Zentaurus obviously this will make new players who this spot is meant for feehl farmed. Open world is bad because of the PvE system that PA put in place and the constant witch hunt against PvP. This game SOLELY THRIVES on open world PvP. Without open world PvP you literally do not need more than season gear
Also blue dose not understand that the “PvP” players make up a large portion of BDO because everyone who dose some sort of PvP even if it’s sometimes casual is a PvP player and all this people are affected by the issues. Dec changes was the final nail in the coffin for this game. It’s currently in the dying stages. That’s why the release gunner. In every MMO gunner is the last cash grab when the game is dying
YOURE THE BEST
rip
I was a PVE player 2015-2020, took a break for intense work schedule for 4 years. Came back with an interest in trying PVP this time around.. 2 months later they pull this crap. SMH..
I feel Blue has been out of node wars for awhile... changes didnt help
BDO Console up huge
we support the game for so long even after they ruined open world PVP and they ruin it with this new node system too
PA should've kept open-world PVP as it was in my opinion i know the majority who are PVE players disliked it but it was the ultimate PVP experience
(atleast in my opinion) mostly because of its randomness and the scale of which the gvg could start & end also ever since that change it feels like pvp is being fought against by PA lol
Wait, does this mean Blue isn’t going to spectate node wars anymore either?
My best guess is that he probably will if they’re noteworthy, but if PA ruins that part of the game basically dies out then well.. can’t really spectate if there’s nothing to see
Do the 3 Guilds that do it in KR like it ?
they’ll drop on uncapped for 3 days and gave everyone a fort each day and then they do siege, the buff is 48 hours so they’ll always have it
@@CannabutterMD fu KR
i am in a pvx or mostly pve guild we do guild leauge thats all . and 80% of my guild also hate the one sided dec changes btw. so I think it's not as clear as you make it
Little did the red players know, they werent targeted, J just wants all pvp gone.
Come to console... same old node war and you can get 700 gs in a month and be a god
You can’t get 700 in a month… especially when console marketplace prices are 2x pc prices
@complain4163 blue squadron could
@@droger1448 Umm...no. Choice did it in 2 months...with NA market and grinding like 10 hours a day. Doing what he did on console, you are looking at 6 months. For more reasonable players, you are looking at 2 years.
For everything else, there is master card.. I'm sure a competent player can do it no holds bar if they really want to I still stand by it
@droger1448 yes...spend 6 figures and you can do it. Totally reasonable...sigh. So your claim is Choice isn't a competent play. Because he couldn't do it in a MUCH better state of the game than console. Odd take there...that NOBODY with a brain will agree to.
but "we understand most players are enjoying the new node war system...but" and that there's the issue. they're in classic denial. you gotta wonder how many people need to bail out of the game or how much global feedback they can get away with ignoring before they undo or fix this. This situation is hilariously bad.
add purge to the guilds dead list
Do PA or J watch this??? Do they even listening to us? I don't think so
Did you forget u cannot dec guilds if they didnt own a node????????? @blue!!!
Nice thank :(
maybe now people will join console because they don’t update it so we get old node wars 😂
I still think they need to just remove the pvp and make BDO entirely single player.
They're killing the last bit of PvP in the game and the worst part is BDO can't even be a good PvE game. Why? Because Lost Ark (as a fellow Korean competitor) has it beat in that department. Every PvE player from other games wants epic raids, and PA's shit coders can't make it happen. As much as BDO players like to shit on Lost Ark for being slightly more p2w and a top down camera, their player base is still about the same size as BDO's, and even after last summer's fiasco, Lost Ark still brought its players back. BDO? We've only lost players and content creators. Jae's star streamer Jinga (the enhancement clips girl) left to Lost Ark because of how PA handled their KR partner program and PA haven't done shit to bring back its creators. Even the big streamer NoDolly hasn't returned to BDO, in fact he's also back on Lost Ark. All those pve streamers that tried the game last summer never came back. Why? BECAUSE THE COMBAT ALONE CANNOT CARRY THE LACK OF GOOD PVE. 😭
PvP carried the shit PvE, and they've been fucking with PvP since last summer. Truly a case of PA not knowing what their strong/weak points are.
Their plan is to drive pvpers away and most players become pvers/lifeskillers so then they will be the loudest community and PA will actually hear them 😂😂😂😂😂
dam now alota ppl gonna be done with Nw sheesh bring back BDO BR😢
Node wars are some of the worst pvp I have experienced. I don't understand how anyone enjoys it. While the combat is good. The lag, desync, awful engine. You aren't killing anyone with skill. ESO, GW2 and even WoW battlegrounds are infinitely better in every way.
Mmmm Tisk Tisk Blue.... Czane Left to go merc in other guilds.... Nuke found one VOD of him sitting there which he admitted too.... Come on now...
czane 🤡 confirmed
he plays archer, he has 1 braincell
Perma t1 loser, people shouldn't listen to that guy
@@spektre2381 understandable
No your are not.
stuff like nodewars should be fun, that should be the reason for people to play. every time a developer puts insane rewards into a system that should be fun, its because they wanna force you to do it, because they know it's not so much fun... but people will do it for the rewards. and then they can say "see people like it". its a bad loop. a good example is that m+ stuff in wow as well, remove rewards = no one does it because ain't no fun anyways.
because of new NW i earn alot of money too much grinding and not doin pvp much XD not like before totally banger pvp everywhere
So you're telling me society has evolved to this point ... I'm watching Blue watch DJulesTV watch Choice... HOW MUCH EFFORT JUST NOT TO PLAY THE GAME ! 😂
And now I'm reading your comment at 6:30am about you watching Nuked watching Blue watching Jules, watching Choice.
This rabbit hole is getting scary. 😂
bdo just going downhill lol, I quit in January lol best decision I could have made. I have given up hope that they will make the game better. it sucks all around lol.
I think if you dont enjoy it you shouldnt participate. Absolutely a good move. PA has little choice but to use metrics as feedback. 99% of the playerbase likely isnt giving written feedback on the forums.
Its similar to the open world changes youll see people screeching about it but honestly most people i know are happy to not deal with it outside Arsha/GvGs. My guild has 4 decs going right now with other guilds. I suspect the people complaining are the ones that liked unfair fights ganking life skillers because they are too soft to fight pvpers. People that dont give a crap or like the change don't as frequently write angry rants..they play. So if you are playing in the system you dont like you are effectively being a false positive.
I dont mind the system we have had some duds but also some real bangers. "No strategy" is total cap. There is certainly issues but you can be pretty creative with annexes. There is definitely issues but its been like a month 🤷 I expect changes to be coming. Its not a good idea to rapidly change it every patch itll have to improve over several iterations. Definitely keep complaining feedback is good imo.
This system makes me doubt the intelligence of the developers, do they really have gray matter in their heads? it's obvious that the forts can be stolen in the last 2 minutes xD
In my experience at a corporation, most big decisions as a whole are not made by the developers. In fact, it's not normal for developers to just change or make something that would largely affect users without some sort of input. The developers just have the ability to program/develop it and explain how long/difficult it will be to do. They are largely told what to do by higher ups. In my experience, everything I've created was largely decided by someone higher up and then I was tasked to do it. I've had to create things that I disagreed with, but at the end of the day I've had to listen to my superiors and implement it. The UI/UX is really the only thing I feel I can put my own creative spin on and ensure at least that is decent. I'm sure in more micro-managed companies even that aspect could be decided by others. I think it's possible that your blaming the wrong people, though. I could be wrong, but if you have more info regarding how the decisions are made at PA then I'd be interested in hearing it.
Blue saying he is a positive guy and always looking for the bright side, is the funniest joke I heard today 22:00, he is always saying bad things about every single update even before they launch.
I think it's a giant move to cater to Pve and lifeskillerd that spend more money on the game rather than more time. Im not saying it's right morally but what I am saying they are looking to cash in on people that play swipe leave and repeat rather than people who live on the game using resources and not spending any money.
The new system is really bad for t4 and uncapped NW, but honestly on EU at least t1 is really popping off. There is usually 15-20 guilds dropping and there is non-stop fights. If they tune it a bit better and fix the last hit fort RNG the system would work well for t1. I agree for more hardcore guilds guilds and uncapped tho it really sucks.
the EU t1 scene was the one that had the protest. There are always a lot of guilds on t1 nodes. Don’t be tricked into believing it’s working because t1 has a lot of forts
T1 has always been full of guilds, it was extremely common for t1 nodes to have 10-15 guilds fighting, so no all the new system has done is wash out some pvp t1 guilds in favour of pve guilds
It's crazy to me that GW2 has better large scale pvp and it's so old it's basically an antique at this point. Plus the shot callers in GW2 are so much better
so if the one sided dec changes were to stop pvp people from decing pve people and were the minority of 10% there shouldnt have been that many decs to begin with in the grand scale of things from what i remember it was pve people decing pve people an getting upset cause most top end dont care about fighting scrubs but thats just how i see it
Doesnt matter if its PvE decing other PvE guilds to bully, its still PvP in PA eyes. Thats what they want to stop... bullying...
The T1 node war scene is up huge, a lot more participants than before, we're having a lot of fun. And no they aren't just all pve snipe guilds, we truly do have a lot of fun Balenos/Serendia node wars. The lack of politics is a huge plus. I don't know what to do about the higher tiers, but then you've got guilds dodging uncapped when they should be playing uncapped.
tbh this is becoming way too toxic, try constructive feedback rather than insulting the devs and calling for them to be fired, thats not ok
I hope we could become more toxic to devs somehow.
Tbh man you cant be Less toxic when you talk to „rock” for this long and all your constructive Feedback is summarized to sentence in patch notes that they are happy bcs people like this system
They don't even look at the constructive feedback it's proven multiple times from various creative sources even former cm's we are ignored the only feedback they care about is Korea and thankfully the UN podcast that's it they only way to get them to look at feedback from us is to exploit a bug and make a video and showcase it risk getting banned just for them to look out way there's no other option but to be toxic when your constantly ignored
Dude Listening is required to gain that sort of respect. PA has cultivated this community by ignoring the player base for so long the only way people feel heard is to be toxic
Respect is a 2 way street. Pa continues to increase p2w and is killing pvp. But yeah feel free to keep kissing A. Maybe they’ll give you an rng boost so u can finally pop your pen reblath
Someone get this guy a pacifier
😂😂😂😂 at this point if game keep nerf pvp ,new world that is a trash I’ll have better pvp system that bdo lol 😂
There's not really a game for pvpers anymore. That was like the main draw to the game over other mmos.
Since the Start of the notice of the NW Changes you have been super Negative towards it. You keep saying it does not need to be changed. What we have is good. Cleary it is not good when like you said only 10% want to do that content. Something is wrong. All I hear is you say it is shit and am not doing it. Why not come up with ideas to maybe get some of those PVE players to come try out what you call was some of the best content in the game.
Remove the rewards and all those pvetards will fly away with them
Jules its trash so it's funny when he got his face down.