Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country - theatrical version vs. Director's cut
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- This video compares the theatrical Blu-ray edition with the Director's cut DVD of the classic Nick Meyer movie Star Trek VI : The Undiscovered Country.
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"We have the technology to..." *flips giant piece of paper*
*correction:* _SPACE_ paper
Nah it doesn't have those holographic/foil edges like the pictures in Captain Picard's photo album.
Honestly, paper feels like one of those things that will forever be useful, even 500 years in the future. Afterall:
* Paper doesn't need to be charged up
* You don't need an internet connection to access data on paper
* Data on paper loads instantly (no need to worry about buffering or preloading)
* You don't need to worry about the data on paper being corrupted
* And even if the info on paper is "corrupted" (eg bookworm eating a few words) it doesn't affect the rest of the data on the same paper
* your data on paper remains safe while transmitting it to someone else via snail mail
* there are essentially no keyloggers for paper and thus practically no one can know what you've written
* And best of all, no one can hack paper! Once it's written down you can trust that it's the same info even 50 years later
A side benefit too is that, because of these security features of paper, you don't need to worry about encrypting the data via say RSA or AES.
THIS is why paper is still used by Starfleet! And definitely not because the movie was made on 1991 and they didn't have the movie special effects technology to replicate computer graphics on a large whiteboard-esque screen. 😋
Been a while since I’ve laughed THAT hard.
😂😂😂
“There will never be a better time.” I remember that line from the trailer. Then, cut from the theatrical release. Love to see the director’s cut on Blu-Ray.
what i'd like to see is an edit of the gorkon assassination with the blood changed to red. just to see what an r-rated trek film is like.
As someone who saw the movie in theaters when it came out, almost everything here labeled "Director's Cut" is the only way I remember the movie. Except for those dramatic inserts during the forced mind meld.
WHOA, I'M BUYING THE DIRECTOR'S CUT VERSION! Excellent vid, TrekkieChannel!👍
Awesome! Thank you!
Wait, I remember seeing the scene with Colonel West and Cartwright talking to the fed president when seeing it in the cinema. I wonder if it was different cuts for different regions?
It's possible.
TrekkieChannel interesting. Even the colonel west scooby doo unmaskiong I swear was in the theatrical release when I saw it.
Can I ask in which country have you seen it?
It was the UK back in 1991/2
TrekkieChannel It was the UK back in 1991/2
I may very well be wrong.
I prefer the director's cut purely for Spock's line about Klingons having no tear ducts.
In the 23rd century, the flip chart will be back in fashion.
+Graham Kennedy
I can see that, to many "digital" leaks, so they print shit again lol.
ramairgto72 And then the Klingons hack their printer networks! Disaster!
+Graham Kennedy
Think it would be like how China hack the US, the printed docs will come out in Klingon lol?
+Graham Kennedy When they killed all the lawyers in the aftermath of WW III, they also killed PowerPoint. No one cared.
hdhale2
Don't forget the "news people", they might be the start of WWIII..
I grew up in the 90s watching a VHS that was the Director's Cut except most of the color correction was still theatrical version and it didn't have the cuts showing conspirators' faces during the mind meld. It can be surprising how much is changed at different times over the years when you get into the weeds of stuff like this for some films.
First time I saw this movie was on tv all were this except for the creepy mind meld scene to the conspirators.
I had that VHS in the 90s too.
I had the Video CD (Philips CDi) version of TUC. And yea, it was the same Director's Cut, minus the conspirators' faces.
Same here. I prefer the DC except the conspirator flashback. It breaks up that one shot of Spock interrogating which, when uncut, adds to the discomfort and drama of a “violation for the greater good”
The 90s cut is what I grew up with too, outside of seeing it in the theatre in 91. Never seen the DVD version, and have been suffering with the theatrical Blu-ray for so long, I'd forgotten just what was lost
3:09 I just love this little gag.
"And if they're all there?!"
"Then someone forged an entry in the databanks."
And Valeris comes sliding down, like "You called?"
"That's not the first pole she's been on" -Bill Corbett
Wonder if Kim Cattrall had to go through some firefighting training to slide down that pole LOL
Holy shit, it is Kim Cattrall
And she bumps on the wall - and it shakes. These corridors were made of styrofoam.
The torpedo bay looks a lot like the corridor sets from Buck Rogers.
So Odo was the killer at Kitomer after all. They were right, do not trust shapeshifters!
maximumhate666 hahaha
Odo just took his appearance from some random starfleet guy he found in historical archives
oh well hello major grin :)
Do not trust Annorax either.
Or Thrax, Odo's predecessor on Terok Nor also played by Kurtwood Smith.
my god those inserts on the mind meld are jarring as hell.
BoredomCorner only thing I didn't like with the directors cut
I have a slightly different version of the Director's Cut on Laserdisc. It doesn't have the inserts. The scene stays mostly focused on Spock and Valeris.
Yeah that was unnecessary. And it actually blocks you from hearing Annulus' name.
The seem un-necessary. I need to re-watch the copy of the six movies I bought in a blu-ray package from Wal Mart. Pretty sure its the directors cut but this is the first time I've seen those cut scenes. Everything else I remember.
The VHS version I had has all of the Director's Cut scenes seen here in this youtube video except all these jarring and unnecessary insets. Weird.
It's Colonel West! Yeah, and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids!
+Wil Rodriguez It did come across that way didn't it.
That, or a disguised shapeshifter Founder from the dominion, meddling in Alpha Quadrant politics about a century too early ...
he was one of the hundred that were sent to far corners of the galaxy centuries ago
This WAS in the theater. I remember seeing it at the time and turning to a friend and saying, "I knew Clayton (from Benson) was a crook!"
Exactly what I thought too. Ripping the mask off that way was rather Scooby-dooish.
Personally, I like the director's cut better! It was a lot more substance and enrichment in the story telling.
I prefer the director's cut as it shows more of Rene Auberjonois (before later playing Odo in DS9).
I do as well-except during the mind meld. It was overkill to show the characters’ images as she revealed them. I seem to remember a version that I bought years ago that was the director’s cut without that stuff. Weird.
@Jonathan Parks Same as my LaserDisc of it basically had all the added scenes without the changes.
Wolf There are three versions of the film; The theatrical version, the first home release and the Director’s Cut. The only difference between the longer first home release and the Director’s Cut are a few changed around shots and the flashes during the mind-meld-sequence. Otherwise they have the same content.
@@symonpup Same, I had the VHS which didn't have that but does have a lot of other things from the director's cut.
The Federation President's office is the Ten Forward set, never noticed before.
+supergeorge3333
Damn, well spotted.
+seahawk124 The door screamed Ten Forward
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.
The dining room at 5:30 where scotty was looking at the enterprise schematics is the conference room on the Enterprise D
I hadn't spotted that one, it looks like it's been heavily redressed for the movie. In Star Trek V they use the enterprise D corridors and I think the transport room as well for the Enterprise A
Papa Sisko and Odo.. there's a tv series out there somewhere..
You're forgetting the (implied) grandson.
oh along with kurtwood smith calling everyone a dumb ass and wanting to put his foot up everyones ass :)
And Colonel Worf, Lietenant Worf's grandfather. This is canon information as well.
8:28 oof, it never needed those little flashes. They were crap. But all of the other added scenes were great.
I agree
I think it made it better
They'd be fine if it weren't for the stupid sound effect. That's unforgivable.
"Admiral Cartwright"
Who?
**Shrong**
Ohhh, the black guy!
BarryDennen12, the flip chart was appalling though...
I was always confused as to why the Romulan stayed in the room for the rescue operation proposal. That seems to me to be a pretty sensitive thing that you would not want the Romulan Empire to not necessarily know about.
maybe the plan involved going through Romulan space and so they needed the Romulan permission for this plan, which they gave since they wanted a war between the Federation and Klingons
Khitomer is on the Romulan border, it makes sense they'd keep the Romulans in the loop.
I always got the idea that Nanclus has been on extremely good terms with the President. I think the President had hoped by buddying up to Nanclus, he could be the one to break the Neutral Zone and bring peace between the Federation and Romulans. I mean, hell, Nanclus even being on Earth was a pretty big deal.
The 1999 dvd release has all the scenes minus the gongs lol
@@MKUltra_Baby Nanclus was from the Tal Shiar.
The Director's Cut is definitely a better film, though I can do without those flashbacks during the mind meld.
Than you would probably prefer the VHS/Laserdisc version which is almost identical to the DVD Director's cut, but without the flashbacks
@Josh Beane I know what you mean. The VHS version was the version I was growing up with and when I've seen the theatrical version for the first time, it felt incomplete. It still does, actually.
TrekkieChannel Wasn’t the same cut (from the VHS and LaserDisc) released on the very first DVD of the film? At least that’s what I’ve read.
It has many good additions, but I could never get past the assassin being a colonel in a simple klingon mask. They were right to cut that.
@@brnardm9273 I'm fairly certain that reveal was in the version I saw at the Cannon cinema when this film was released though I might be wrong.
A lot of work must of gone into making this. Great video.
+AJ West Glad you liked it
+AJ West I was going to post that, I love this work!
TrekkieC:
Yes, this took a lot of work, but this was a wonderful comparison. You've helped our Community greatly !!!
This is one of my favorite movies and in my opinion the directors cut is a much more rewarding movie experience
Wait a minute.... I remember all of these scenes from the movie except the horrific smash cuts of the perpetrators and conspirators from the "mind rape" scene. What's this all about?
The cut you refer to was released on LD and VHS, the original American theatrical version was released for the first time on the Blu-ray. The DVD features a 3rd version.
@@TrekkieChannel I only remember these OG cast movies from the vhs box set I watched a million times as a kid. I had no idea the whole rescue plan scene wasn't in the theatrical release. It always struck me as a pretty important scene.
OnTheRocks The short version of the long story - Roddenberry was only a "consultant" on the movies after the first one. He didn't like the more militaristic scenes so he requested to remove them from the script. Nicholas Meyer, the writer / director ignored it and shot them anyway. When they have shown the first cut to Roddenberry he was shocked the scenes are there and requested to be immediately removed. Meyer didn't want to remove them, and they got into a furious argument, which Roddenberry ended with him going to his lawyer. A few days later he died. Meyer was shocked, even now decades later he seems to be sorry for escalating it a few days before his death when he talks about it, so he immediately removed the scenes for the version which was released in theatres. However when it was time for the laserdisc and VHS release, he put the scenes back in, this is the version which I was growing up with. When they wanted to release all of the movies on Blu-ray for the first time to promote the 2009 movie, they have decided to release the theatrical cuts of all movies, which means the first and the sixth got their first home video release in their theatrical forms
damn I never heard about this story and didn't know Gene opposed to the militaristic approach that much.
I wonder what he would think about "star trek discovery"
@@TrekkieChannel and the big 50th anniversary box set with the 6 movies, the original series, and the animated series, do they have the Theatrical cut, the 'laserdisc/VHS' cut, or the 'director's cut' with the crappy Mind meld scene ?
@ 2:12 Kurtwood Smith had yet to develop his catchphrase... "Dumba**!"
Much prefer the theatrical cut. Most of the added scenes feel redundant or even comical and the interrogation of Valeris plays out more powerful without the closeups of Kirk and Bones. It feels more like she faces opposition by the entire crew, even though some of them actually agree with her. Also the framing in 2.35 just feels a lot more precise. The only scene I wish they kept was Scotty briefing Spock on the torpedos. It clarifies why Spock had so much faith in his theory about the cloaked ship and nicely foreshadows the upcoming reveal about Valeris. However TUC is such a great film it works regardless which cut you‘re watching.
it comes off more unintentionally comical than i remember it. but still maintains the heart of it imo
1:28 Clearly some form of advanced e-ink technology… in the form of a 20th century flip chart. The Romulan is no doubt watching with interest...
I didn't understand why he was there.
Its a reference to newscast from the pentagon in the first gulf war.
Even in the 23rd century, Odo was shapeshifting
Fascinating. Meyer was sprinkling in a bit of JFK to his Cold War story.
That’s what the movie was made to mirror. The fall of the Soviet Union and end to the Cold War.
sprinkling; this was cold war from start to finish
The flashbacks during Spocks mindmeld were only added during a recent disc release. They weren't a part of the original DC. Horrible change, also.
Correct, they're only on the DVD. The VHS/LD version was VERY similar
Archer hears the Klingon witnesses shouting like the scene at 4:18 and,
""What are they saying?"
His advocate(Kolos) says, "Enemy."
Archer: "I hope they're not the jury."
Kolos: "There is no jury."
Despite my love of Enterprise, never liked how Archer escaped from the Klingon prison planet, and with ease, when in Star Trek 6, it is stated that no one has every escaped from there yet in Enterprise Archer did, and Kirk had to go through so much for escape when Archer didn't. That episode of Enterprise really bugged me just like the episode "Minefield". But other than that, I really liked Enterprise.
Enterprise was a big mess of contradictions.
In fact, the only episodes that contradicted established continuity were Judgment and Minefield. The rest actually did a good job, some like Affliction and Divergence actually corrected continuity mistakes from other Star Trek shows. Now Discovery is the one that's a big mess.
Jero Briggs Acquisition was a bad one for continuity/canon as well, they lost all data on the Ferengi until TNG.
Regeneration too. I guess Starfleet just lost all interior and exterior sensor data and medical treatment for assilimation between 2151 and "Q Who".
RIP Christopher Plummer.
I grew up owning a VHS release that had many of these deleted scenes (the VHS was advertised as an extended version having "never before seen footage"). Then when the first DVD release of the film came out I was so disappointed to realize it was the theatrical version and that those scenes weren't in it. It felt like an incomplete movie.
(the stupid flashbacks during the mindmeld scene weren't in the VHS though, thank god)
I've never known ST6 to _not_ have those scenes... yet I've only recently (well, relatively) seen the flashback-laced interrogation scene and knew it was an interesting choice but ultimately didn't care for it. So yeah, if the vid is accurate, it definitely sounds like there's more than just Theatrical/Directors versions out there. That's a neat thing to find out. :)
Those flashbacks were jarring to say the least and completely unneccesary. Not sure why Nick Meyer added them but it was his flick so whatever.
Agreed...the flashbacks are just for viewers who couldn't remember the characters. I didn't need them as a kid...my attention span was fine...unlike the kids of today.
Stupid addition in an otherwise superior cut.
The flashbacks aren't really the problem it's the music that goes along with them.
I also owned the VHS version growing up.
1:30 oh man the dominion was at it WAY earlier than we thought. RIP
Originally, it was supposed to be Saavik as the saboteur. This would have made the identity of the saboteur more shocking, and Spock’s anger and hurt greater. However, Robin Curtis did not want to return and the studio did not want to recast Saavik for the third time. Thus, Valeris joined the crew, but in my mind I play these scenes with Saavik.
I'm so glad they changed it, I would have hated for Saavik to become a villain.
Same here. Meyer wanted the character to be Saavik, but Roddenberry forcefully overruled him. Such a shame. Imagine Kirstie Alley's half-Romulan Saavik in that scene; she would have had a true motive for wanting the Klingons destroyed - straight up vengeance - because of her feelings for David, and could have angrily thrown that in Kirk's face for added impact. It's still a good scene, but alas, it could have been a great one had Meyer gotten his way. Also, RIP Kirstie Alley.
the President's office is ten forward
Correct
Yep
And the Enterprise engineering set is just the TNG engineering set. Consider it payback for all the sets, props, costumes and ship models from the movies that got reused on TNG. TNG itself would later borrow from the subsequent series. The sickbay set in "First Contact", for instance, is clearly just the Voyager sickbay (complete with the same holographic doctor), but just lit differently.
The version I have on my VHS that I grew up watching is more or less the director's cut - except for the mindrape flash sequence.
Correct. I have it too, unfortunately I have no way how to digitize VHS anymore, otherwise I'd do a video comparing the VHS and DVD releases.
Of the scenes in the Director's Cut the only one I am conflicted about is the briefing for Operation: Retrieve, the rest I like. While clearly identifying Col. West and giving very strong hints as to his opinions on the peace talks so that his reveal as the shooter at the end isn't random, having the Romulan ambassador present for that kind of military briefing is ludicrous. Even Sarek, who is a Federation citizen and technically part of the Federation government, shouldn't have been allowed to see that unless his responsibilities as Vulcan Ambassador to Earth specifically include Starfleet oversight.
It's funny - these scenes in the DC are actually ones I remember in the version shown on TV in the 90's. Interesting they were not in the theatrical version!
Very important scenes too - all of them.
Scotty’s 4:05 excitement in the whole situation always gets me chuckling.
"I bet that Klingon bitch killed her father!" 😂😂❤❤
I always wondered why the President of the UFP, and Adm. Cartwright allowed Romulan Ambassador Nanclus to stay in the briefing to retrieve Kirk and McCoy. What would have prevented him from going to the Klingons with the rescue plan?
It's also interesting to note that in the scene where Spock is mind melding with Valeris to get the info on the conspirators, in the original version she says the Romulan Ambassador's name, "Nunclus". In the Director's cut, his name is omitted. I found that odd. Also, when Kirk was in his quarters at the beginning and dictating into his log, he states "I've never trusted Klingons. And I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy". But later in the movie when Kirk and McCoy are on trial and his personal log is used against him, the line is quoted "I've never trusted Klingons. And I never will. I've never been able to forgive them for the death of my boy". That always bugged the heck out of me. And they didn't fix it in the Director's Cut, either.
+Chris Haywood Not too certain but I believe that was done to intimate that the Klingons had done some altering to the audio recording played at the trial.
I didn't like the trial in one respect: Kirk didn't get a chance to present a defense, even if witnesses and evidence were denied him, he should have had a chance to give a speech (of whatever nature). They claim on Fandom sites that Klingon justice has the prosecution and defense done simultaneously, but it was Chang's narrative that maintains the initiative. A guy with Russian characters for his name in comments under a clip of the trial said Kirk got a fair trial! I told him, sure, Brittney Griner did too!
Maybe they did delete it because of the flipchart. Which would have broken the Star Trek immersion forever, for me :D
I don't mind the headshots during the mind rape scene. It lets the audience know who those characters are. Even trekkies probably aren't familiar with the names of these one off characters (yes, I know Cartright was in ST4 briefly).
The only really bad scene is the Scooby Doo unmasking. Why does he need a mask? Did he expect to get caught?
Yeah, not entirely sure why Colonel West was disguised as a Klingon since Klingons and members of the Federation were conspiring together to assassinate the president anyway.
@@AndrewChapman Probably because like any conspiracy between active antagonist states, there was probably some backstabbings planned. Either that, or it went "Well, we've already assassinated the Chancellor with Federation troops, the President has to be seen as assassinated by a Klingon in retaliation, otherwise, it'll raise too many questions." Notwithstanding that even with the Klingons' complicated relationship between their honor and their desire for conquest, shooting an adversary without an adequate chance for self-defense just ain't kosher for them.
@@eddievhfan1984 That's a good point.
The plan was to make it look like the Klingon Empire ordered the assassination of the President of the Federation. So he made himself look like a Klingon in order to fool anyone who'd see the assassin.
OTHER THAN-
- flashing to the conspirators' faces during the mind-meld (which are just screen-grabs, but IMO would have been new shots just for that purpose if Meyers had originally shot them at the time)
- the close-up on McCoy when he says, "And what do you think you've been doing-!?"
-the original 1991 VHS release _was_ The Director's Cut.
This and some of the other comparisons show why I still watch the DC DVDs. The color, cropping, and some of the added scenes just make for a more complete experience. IMO.
Ugh, I had forgotten how awful the mind-meld scene in the DC was. I love all the other added scenes, but those stupid flashbacks were unforgivable.
Yeah, the clanging with black-and-white!
Agreed - felt like something out of a sitcom - and it also ruined the music in the background which plays into the whole mental rape that Spock is basically undergoing.
I just watched it because of your comment... Ugh! You're right, that was truly awful.
Mind-melds should always be played off-screen like Sarek with Kirk in Search for Spock another moving scene.
TheMksteel
- no way. From a story standpoint this was a major move from the way mind melds were normally shown. How willing Spock is to fight for peace is also fairly disturbing when you consider what he did. This scene was awesome.
Bizzarely, I recall the Colonel West subplot being included in the British theatrical release to the point where i was wondering what happened to it when it was later broadcast on TV. I could be wrong as memory isn't 100%.
Philip Drury I remember it too, think maybe it was just in the US that they didn't have it.
Always wondered if different countries get different versions when a movie is first released to theaters.
I like the content in the Director's Cut but the aspect ratio, the quality, and the framing are better in the Theatrical Cut.
Well I never noticed but the presidents office is 10 forward with drapes
And a chandelier
Since they released the director's cut of Wrath of Khan on blu ray they should release the director's cut of The Undiscovered Country on blu ray too
I hope they do both TUC and TMP
They should on TMP too, especially on TMP.
Would be great!
They did
@The Dave and Dave Show live When?
Loved The directors cut of Star Trek 6. :)
I prefer the DC's of TMP & TWOK. Every other movie should be the theatrical cut IMO.
the colour grading of the theatrical version has much more natural looking skin tones
The revealing of the conspirators really doesn't work in the director's cut.
Ngl I love the presidents funky glasses.
My favorite line from the movie is from the DC. “Quite frankly sir, we can clean their chronometers.” I laugh at that every time.
Really? That's funny? Easily a throwaway scene with throwaway dialogue.
@@ebinrock Not a throwaway. Without it there's no context to Colonel West's unmasking at the end.
0:48 Even in the 24th century, the President is not above the law.
Something is weird.
I had a VHS copy of ST6, and it had all the scenes the DC had, except for the interrogation of the Vulcan lieutenant... my version did not have the character's faces edited in.
Is there a 3rd edition NOT on BD or DVD?
Yes. The original Directors Cut version came out when the film was first released on VHS. The version I had was an addition to the 5 film box set that formed a picture of the forward view of the Enterprise (just search "star trek movie vhs" and you'll easily find images of it). It specified that it was the "Directors Cut" on the front of the box. Even though I saw the theatrical version in the theaters, I grew up watching that VHS director's cut version, so it's my preferred version of the film.
The only *major* difference between the old VHS version and the DVD director's cut is the inclusion of the conspirators in the interrogation scene.
I have no idea if the theatrical version was even available until the Blu Ray was released.
Not according to "uncle google"
Well i saw that first "Missing Scene"in the theather and on the first VHS release.
Some people claim that they've seen it in theatres, but none of them gave any proof of this. They were included in the VHS (which is a slightly different version than the DVD) and in all TV broadcasts I've seen, but the "official" theatrical version was released only on Blu-ray
James Oxford I also seem to recall some of the missing scenes being in theater when the film came out. However, I had this on VHS and watched it probably 50 times. Wondering if I'm remembering wrong. I own the bluray "theatrical" version and sure enough some of the scenes I lived aren't in it. I liked the unmasking at the end and the flip chart. Btw I think Netflix shows the directors cut version.
My parents never would have sought out a director's cut. The off the shelf VHS release had ALL of these deleted scenes (except those weird flashbacks during the mind meld). I am positive. I don't recall if it was the same for the theatrical version, since I only saw it once and the vhs I don't even know how many times.
The torpedo error scene and Col West scene were both in theaters.
TrekkieChannel huh that's odd because I remember that scene in theatres too. Granted, I was 11 so that could be me misremembering things, but I remembered that chronometers line. I've always heard it was cut and being confused, but regardless, I wonder why they cut it, without it the unmasking at the end makes no sense.
*watches rest of video* wait that was a deleted scene too??? I'll just go with 'I saw the vhs far too much and it skewed my memory.
I know for a fact that I've never seen that mind meld scene with the faces added in, that's just silly.
00:51 -
I saw Star Trek 6 in the movie theater and had it on VHS this scene was there "odo" Colonel West say " we'll clean their chronometers "
I had that VHS too. "3 minutes of never before seen footage!"
I second that. This scene was in the US theatrical release. I saw it in the theater as well. It was a memorable line 🙂
I liked the DC scene of Spock and Valeris’s mind meld. The way it showed the conspirators was like a scene from a crime movie, which Undiscovered Country kind of was.
I saw the film in the theater. The mask scene was not in the theatrical release. I remember specifically being surprised at this scene when the VHS version came out a few months later as it stood out and altered the ramifications of the conclusion. I always felt the re-edit to be a 'Scooby Doo' ending of sorts.
Can I ask in which country have you seen it?
I remember seeing the film and it was just like the director's cut in the theatre.
It was right here in the USA.
I just watched the theatrical cut i guess for the first time. I had VI on vhs and it must have bee. the directors cut. The ending doesn't make sense without the reveal of odo or whoever be was playing.
I like Trek VI better for the extra scenes. Its hard to look back on the theatrical cut when all those scenes weren't even in it. Theres a huge difference in the end when its showing Col. West as the assassin and the theater cut implies its just a klingon. The VHS and DVD directors cuts are the same other than different camera shots used for Scotty in the mess hall and the confrontation with Valeris on the bridge with Kirk and McCoys facial close ups. It wasn't a big deal to me for the conspirators' faces that were added.
Spock: "Klingons have no tear ducts."
Worf: "And Kahless wept, until his tears filled the entire sea. "
Maybe he just had a really runny nose.
There's also the matter of this being the only instance of Klingon's having "Pepto Bismol" blood (and even identifying the assassin by his lack thereof).
@@theNewBee lol
@@toddsmitts i always wondered about that , i didn't follow much after this movie tbh
@@toddsmitts was the fact that their moon blew up ever alluded to again in star trek? i'm no expert, but i imagine from the graphic they showed, which showed like 2/3rds of the moon gone at least, that would have killed everything on their planet
the whole mind meld thing shows a darker side to Vulcans, I guess it is kind of like when Sarek was projecting his thoughts to the Enterprise D crew, but definitely something they could use in very compromising way
I always like the scene where one of the Klingons examines the Assassin. "This is not Klingon Blood." It seals the shock on the entirety of the confrence when they realize that there is a massive amount of treachery afoot.
LOVE the Presidents glasses - 80’s style but they are cool
Something tells me there had to be some technology in those glasses, like maybe electronic zoom lenses in them (heck, that's what I'd want if I were that far away).
I am impressed with the comparisons of the Director's Cut and the Theatrical Versions of "Star Trek VI" and it leaves me with a question: Will there be a new Blu-ray version of "Star Trek VI" with both versions? After all, I know there is a Blu-ray of "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" with both the theatrical and uncut versions on one disc as an example. Is there a possibility of a future release of "ST VI?"
From what I've read it's actually a 4th version of the movie, different from the Director's cut DVD
Klingons don't have tear ducts?
That doesn't make any sense. Shedding tears serves many functions and purposes. It clears the eyes and rinses it from foreign objects (grains of sand, dust) just to name a few.
Theatrical version > Director's cut
The only thing I don't think the DC did better was the "DUNNNN" and showing the faces of each conspirator.
I just realized the President is Red from That 70s show and Boddicker from Robocop...
The Theatrical version looks better, but I don't get the omission of scenes from the Director's Cut. As in why they were not in the Bluray, if that is accurate.
I have the first ten movies in a boxset, but I haven't watched VI yet to see which version it has, or if it has both of them. I hope the second.
Is the presidents office the tng tenforward set? The doors were the tip and when looking through grandmas 23rd century lace curtains it certainly looks like the windows and pylons back there.
I generally prefer the theatrical version, though I like that Valeris/Spock/Scotty scene from the DC. "A lie?" "An omission", etc. I really don't like the DC take of the Spock-Valeris mindmeld on the bridge! The cuts to each person as she says their name is too much beating the viewer over the head. BTW one of my absolute favorite movies of all time!
Maybe it's been a while since I saw the theatrical version but I don't recall it missing so many scenes.
8:25 Those stupid inserts during the mind meld are there because "they" thought the audience was too stupid to remember who these people were. I say "they" because the original director's cut didn't have them, so maybe it was the studio's decision. Either way, it's an admission that the movie didn't do a good enough job developing those characters. Undiscovered Country's dark tone made one feel it was, at times, going to reach Wrath of Khan levels of depth but in the end fell short. The first half of the movie was great, but somewhere in the middle it started getting a little silly and weird. There was a comedy skit where Lt. Uhura reads Klingon (probably to give Nichelle Nichols something more to do in her final appearance), and Spock was uncharacteristically worried/nervous. By the end, the movie turned into a Scooby Doo cartoon except the villains had about 10 minutes of screen time.
THATS ODO!!! I RECOGNIZED THE WAY HE TALKS!!!
Just the same actor. Rene Auberjonois also played a different character on Enterprise
Would the romulan involvement be the prototype cloaking device ? Wouldn't that not cause trouble with Romulus ? 1991 and asking questions lol
I prefer the slightly opened Directors Cut. The framing looks much better optimized for the less matted version. Everything does not feel too close. Especially close ups like in 6:26 have much more space to breath and don't feel TOO close. Also the colors are better than the Theatrical Version. The only thing i dislike are the slightly blown our highlights in the DC.
All the theatrical cut Blu-rays had altered color palette, the DVDs have the original colours
Odo doesn’t need a mask!!
I swear that the officers giving the plan for an invasion of Klingon space was in the theatrical version when I saw it in the theatre.
I saw it in St Petersburg FL the day it came out, and I recall the scene not being there. My memory may be colored by a VHS version I saw later. It's on the DVD I have now, and it always strikes me as new material. It doesn't make sense, though, because they wouldn't discuss this illegal suggestion in front of the Romulan ambassador.
Honestly the Ambassador being there seems like new material (when I saw the scene I didn't remember him ever being there), but I also could be coloured by getting the movie on VHS. Both had been so long ago.
One scene that was very problematic was the one where the Federation president was discussing military retaliation with starfleet ...with a Romulan ambassador sitting in ...really? Not even ambassadors are treated as confidantes if there's a "neutral zone" between your two realms. Seems unlikely that the Klingon ambassador would meekly walk away just as big starfleet muckity mucks are starting another meeting. You'd think a hostile power would be very wary about what starfleet was up to.
I prefer the director's cut as it's the version I've been more associated with. I first saw VI on VHS which had all the additional scenes from the director's cut (except for those flashback inserts during the mind meld scene). First time I saw the theatrical version, I was puzzled why certain scenes were missing.
Me too :) The first time I have seen it was the VHS version, which was later shown many times on TV here. Now however they show only the theatrical cut, probably because it's the only cut available in HD, and it just feels "incomplete"
@@TrekkieChannel Sure does. I don't know if they will ever release the director's cut on Blu-ray, but I hope they will as they released the director's cut of II on Blu-ray. I can understand TMP director's cut not being released on Blu-ray because of how they did the new effects in 2001.
@@TrekkieChannel which verison is in the 50th boxed set?
@@aaronrus If you mean Blu-ray, I imagine it would be the theatrical version.
@@aaronrus All of the movie Blu-rays contain only the theatrical cuts of the movies. The only exception are the 2 2016 releases of Star Trek II, the 2016 releases contains the theatrical cut AND a brand new cut. One of the 2016 releases was a standalone release, the second one was part of the 50th anniversary boxset.
I’m glad they cut the scene in the president’s office discussing a rescue plan. This scene always makes me cringe. First, flip charts? Really? Second, why would the Romulus ambassador be present for this meeting? I know it’s to set the stage for the conspiracy, but it doesn’t make sense.
I watched this again last night. During the last scene with McCoy and then with Kirk I noticed that the damaged panels of the bridge that were hanging by wires and cable, some of the wires were connected by wire nuts. You'd think that a wire nut would be obsolete by then. Hell, I don't like using them now!!
I like the color correction in DC. But that's it. The extra scenes - like when Kim Cattrall slides down the pole and the ship's bulkhead wobbles behind her - don't add anything. The headshots during the mind-rape are awful.
I always knew Odo was a shape-shifter, but who knew that Annorax had been president of the ufop in his mission to restore the Krenim to power!
Apparently before Odo was chief of security aboard DS9 he was a high ranking Starfleet officer creating plans to wage war against the Klingons...
The only part of the theatrical cut I thought worked better was the transition from having Azetbur say, "Kirk will pay for the death of my father... Kirk." - to the Klingon court chanting his name. Gave me chills when I first saw it. Totally ruined that moment in the Director's Cut.
Wow, I forgot about that! I only saw it in the theater once, and every time since then has been on VHS.
I have both versions but I completely missed the missing briefing scene with the president. I mostly watch the DC though so that's probably why.
Once again, the director's cut is better artistically and makes more sense.
+Stefan Travis - With the exception of the mind-meld scene, the Director's Cut is the same as the VHS/LD release.
Thomas Gill IIRC, the director's cut includes the exchange between Spock and Valeris: "A lie?" "An error", which is echoed in the dialogue just before the mind-meld scene.
But I'm not quite enough of a geek to check right now.
+Stefan Travis - You are correct. I was meaning the flashes to the people being referenced, which I don't care for.
Shame Paramount are so lazy with a beloved franchise, can't they use some of their millions to properly release the movies in HD with the better cuts and non DNR picture? CBS did it.
1:43 "Phaser-Pointer"
The theatrical cut is alright, but was no one curious as to why that unnamed (and evidently unimportant) Klingon assassin in the finale has human blood? I mean, you clearly see it's red, even in the wide shot.
In retrospect, including the subplot about the hawkish Col. West and his climactic reveal makes a helluva lot more sense. Count me on the side of Meyer's cut here.
Great job, thank you for this
You're welcome
i like this movie a lot for the heart and now nostalgia. but it is pretty slapstick, i think a lot of the fundamental aspects would not have made it, had harve bennett produced. all in all a good and fun movie imo
"Sir, what do we do with the pivotal scenes that reveal major plot points and flesh out the characters in a way the series never did?"
"Cut 'em out."
"Aye sir."
A small bit was cut from both versions after Kirk jumps on the Federation President.
"Get off me, dumbass!"
Interesting, the VHS version I have is a mixture of both.
+WDallynN The VHS I had was almost identical to the Director's Cut DVD, except the scene where Scotty finds the uniforms was slightly different (I think shorter?) and the scene where Spock "mindrapes" Valeris had no "flashbacks" of the faces. Unfortunately I have no way how to digitize my VHS because my VCR died and it's pretty hard to buy a new one in 2016
That's the same one! That's the one I have. I can't remember when my father brought home the collection set, I want to say, 1994, maybe '95?
Is there a chance you'd be able to digitize your tape?
I'll see what I have and what I can do. It will take some time. There's a ton of VHS I have that I want to digitize.
I also noticed that from the copy I used to borrow from my local video store.
How many different versions have there been? I grew up watching a version that was cropped widescreen but otherwise basically the same as the Director's cut clips shown here, just without the awful flashback shots in the mind meld. Is it different in other territories or something?
Saavik and James Horner are sadly missed in this film. Having Saavik the conspirator would have been much more powerful.
But Roddenberry hated the idea
Well I personally am glad they didn't have Saavik return as a conspirator after she'd been a character I liked in II, III and IV. Plus she left Starfleet in IV because she was apparently pregnant with Spock's child after they went through the pon farr in III. So I can't see why she would've suddenly returned as a baddie.
There aren't many genuinely evil people. Most evil deeds are performed by people who believe they are doing the right thing. She survived a traumatic experience at the hands of the Klingons. She witnessed David sacrifice his life so that she and Spock could live. She didn't want to kill the Klingons but use the crises to control them efficiently. Her prior experience with Spock would make both betraying Kirk and McCoy difficult and more shocking. Watching the film as made its obvious who the conspirators are. Making it Saavik works because she is such a beloved character.
Kim cattrall refused the part if she had to play Saavik so Valerie was added as a new character. Roddenberry and Meyer clashes over this and Roddenberry died a few days after that. Meyer has always regretted his words with Roddenberry he has said.
Yes, by adding a new character it makes it quite predictable.