@@kzxjone why do they have to be shxt? If you have $300 to spend on a controller you most likely have money to customize it if you want 😂 just a matter of preference
6:00 Absolutely this. Joysticks hurt my hands, so I’ve always played pad. I’ve never had so much fun until I switched to Hitbox and won’t ever go back.
How long did it take you to get some what comfortable? I’m same. Went from Panthera Evo in SF5 to the Hori FC Octa in SF6 and played better, just ordered the Kitsune but I’m afraid of that learning curve
@@andrewkendo it took me a few days to get used to the Up and Down buttons so I would be sure to spend time navigating the UI to get adjusted. I practiced the motion inputs for a few weeks and was pulling off stuff that was so inconsistent before. I still get thrown off by Up once in a while, but it really doesn’t take long to get used to.
Nihongo great video, also you didnt mention it in the video but there is an additional SOCD mode in the controller but its exclusive to the PC mode only and that is no SOCD mode, so that mode lets the games handle the SOCD in game on games that support it rather than the controller doing the SOCD
@@kingace1713 IMO they're better suited for charge characters which MK doesn't have but one could utilise the Last input priority and Up priority SOCD modes for characters that have ⬅ ➡ or ⬇ ⬆ moves.
Wow. I think right before you released this video I pulled the trigger and finally bought this. Crazy timing lol. I just hope I can utilize this controller properly
@@NihongoGamerill try but it could well be months before i make progress. i hear how tough it is for even pros to adapt to the leverless control scheme
It really sucks the fact that there is (No SOCD Cleaning) only on pc. i play Tekken on ps5 and without SOCD there is a method where you korean backdash alot more easily and without it its harder than doing it on a stick or a controller, other than that the rest is really good and i'm really enjoying the razer kitsune so far.
I bought the Kitsune last year after buying into all of the hype by TH-cam influencers and truly regret it. I have been a joystick fighting gamer since Street Fighter 4 was released in early 2009. I tried to get used to the leverless style. However, playing without a joystick gave my left hand cramps and felt very awkward. At the moment, I am considering selling my barely used Kitsune locally. If anyone would like to convince me to keep it, please make your case. Thanks!
I won’t convince you to keep it. If your hands feel painful you should stop as soon as possible. That being said, with the correct technique, it is very possible for most hand sizes and shapes to use a leverless without experiencing hand cramps.
Hey i had cramps my first couple of days and apparently i was using the leverless wrong. Luckily i watched Sajam who already had several videos of him actually getting injured as a result and how he eventually figured out what went wrong. Idk if you have the same problem i did, but you have to float your hands above the leverless rather than resting your wrists on the pad. In addition, you do have to warm up before a long session. Any hand exercises that piano players do will help.
Random question here but have you tried using the Razer Kitsune with the brook wingman xe 2 on a nintendo switch? I would really like to make this work so I can use this on the upcoming MvC 2 release.
My biggest problem with the Kitsune is the fact that they use 30mm buttons but have them slighty more spaced out than other all button controllers. If you have smallish hands they have to work more for the same inputs as on a hitbox, snackbox
Good question. I explain it in most videos but in this one maybe I glossed over it too quickly. The advantage is that you avoid problems in legacy games that don’t know how to handle simultaneous opposing cardinal directions. Added bonus is that you rarely misinput commands since they’re discrete inputs and not done through motion gestures which can overshoot. Then there’s shortcuts…
I cant get my touchpad to work anymore in game, can anyone help with this? The game (t8) and steam doesnt name the kitsune in button mapping any longer
@NihongoGamer, please is it possible to have more than one SOCD mode active at the same time? E.G. Having both the "up priority" and "Last Input Priority" enabled.
@@JELIFISH19 Metal can bend; but anywho if there is a gap between your legs while you play, the downward pressure will make the whole unit concave after a couple of hours of play
@@JELIFISH19 That's why it bends. It's like an iPhone with an aluminum case, and those are famous for bending. If it had a hard plastic shell, it wouldn't bend.
haute42 with hotswappable low profile keyboard style switches, fully opensource system and starts at around 50euro/dollars and the biggest benefit is not having to use the god awful razer software :) (oh yeah and it has RGB baby)
I just want to mention that it’s really sad that you can’t update via Mac or directly via ps5! I mean…it’s an official ps5 licensed product! Sadly I don’t own a windows pc.
In some ways they definitely make certain techniques trivial and that affects the game balance in some ways. Generally I think people still feel that whatever the controller, there’s enough in the mental game that the better player is the one that will win though.
@@NihongoGamer Yes, I still think the better player wins. The fact that Daigo and Tokido are getting MORE missinputs now than they ever did before they switched is one of the reasons I don't judge leverless too harshly (I want to try them, also; it's just that I just enjoy stick too much). I don't know why Daigo hasn't tried a mixed controller like the Cross|Up because I've seen his Ken do OD Tatsu by mistake (like on his online match against Angrybird which he posted on his channel) and when he was playing around with Zangief, he'd miss a guaranteed SPD after a Punish Counter DI because he'd just jump HP. Sako and Fuudo are still using stick and a lot of pros play using the thumbstick, so... The reason I lose isn't hitbox players. 😂
Even with default SOCD you could get the same 0f delay between crouching and the standing input, it’s just harder to time since the input cleaner doesn’t auto time the button release and button press for you I guess
@@NihongoGamer I was under the impression it was impossible. It therefore renders SOCD like chess cheating online, then, it's about probability: someone who does it 100% of the time is cheating. Although, whether playing the way one wants at home is cheating or not, is to be determined. I personally don't care that much, I'd much rather focus on things I can control like my not checking Drive Rushes with correct normals or letting my opponent steamroll me with fake things I should have an answer for.
Still overpriced and outdated. Can't replace the switches with standard mx switches. How anti consumer can you be? Case is not metal. Just a metal plate on top. No real up button to use the controller for other games than fighting games. ☮️
Street Fighter 6 is best played locally against friends, family members and tournament opponents. Playing online on Street Fighter 6 is pointless because Capcom wants you to create a Capcom ID account needed to play online on Street Fighter 6 and that doesn't make any sense.
cant believe they followed-through. now we just need color caps and replacement switches.
What are the best switches to add to leverless
@@2gunzup07there’s no such thing, it’s all preference
@@dead.set.on.life. which are closest to sanwa
Spend more money on useless shxt accessories. The controller is already over $300
@@kzxjone why do they have to be shxt? If you have $300 to spend on a controller you most likely have money to customize it if you want 😂 just a matter of preference
Great to see that they're continuing to support the Kitsune. I just need them to start selling replacement caps now-mine have lost their matte finish.
6:00 Absolutely this. Joysticks hurt my hands, so I’ve always played pad. I’ve never had so much fun until I switched to Hitbox and won’t ever go back.
How long did it take you to get some what comfortable? I’m same. Went from Panthera Evo in SF5 to the Hori FC Octa in SF6 and played better, just ordered the Kitsune but I’m afraid of that learning curve
@@andrewkendo it took me a few days to get used to the Up and Down buttons so I would be sure to spend time navigating the UI to get adjusted. I practiced the motion inputs for a few weeks and was pulling off stuff that was so inconsistent before. I still get thrown off by Up once in a while, but it really doesn’t take long to get used to.
Woah this is so cool update. Thanks for the update video NihongoGamer, now I'm really interested to get Kitsune.
Just got my Camry edition today! Glad they added this update and that Razer is listening to the community.
I love this controller. Thanks for covering it and keeping us up to date :D
Are you going to review any Haute42 sticks?
Weird that they wouldn't send him a review unit?
Nihongo great video, also you didnt mention it in the video but there is an additional SOCD mode in the controller but its exclusive to the PC mode only and that is no SOCD mode, so that mode lets the games handle the SOCD in game on games that support it rather than the controller doing the SOCD
Thanks for the update! Hmm, I think it wasn’t listed on the website when I made the video but I see it’s there now! Good to know
@@NihongoGameryeah also the fact that it only works on PC would leave a good portion of the audience out
Ordered one as soon as I finished the video. The SOCD mode switch now makes the Kitsune worth it for me.
SOCD work good for mortal kombat? Or it wouldn’t make a difference?
@@kingace1713 IMO they're better suited for charge characters which MK doesn't have but one could utilise the Last input priority and Up priority SOCD modes for characters that have ⬅ ➡ or ⬇ ⬆ moves.
What game is that at 2:12?
First input priority seems useful if you want to start buffering before the game allow you to
Wow. I think right before you released this video I pulled the trigger and finally bought this. Crazy timing lol. I just hope I can utilize this controller properly
Keep me posted on your progress!
@@NihongoGamerill try but it could well be months before i make progress. i hear how tough it is for even pros to adapt to the leverless control scheme
Thank god! Love the form factor but the SF6 SOCD messed me up in other games.
I have Razer Kitsune and I have a problem where a key constantly gets stuck, it's horrible and I don't know what to do.
This happened to a friend of mine, he RMAd it and they sent him a new one, was probably about a month before he got it back though
You should check the Haute42 series leverless controller.
To do 360 input for my all button controller. I hold up then do 180 input while attacking
Creative!
Why this and not a Haute42 T16 or M16 with a brook?
whitch socd settings is the best for tekken 8 ?
It really sucks the fact that there is (No SOCD Cleaning) only on pc. i play Tekken on ps5 and without SOCD there is a method where you korean backdash alot more easily and without it its harder than doing it on a stick or a controller, other than that the rest is really good and i'm really enjoying the razer kitsune so far.
These thing doesn't work on ps5？
all of the SOCD modes do work except the No SOCD Cleaning mode@@lucan3879
Omg, I play sf6 and tekken8 on ps5 too, with kitsune
what method are u using
I bought the Kitsune last year after buying into all of the hype by TH-cam influencers and truly regret it. I have been a joystick fighting gamer since Street Fighter 4 was released in early 2009. I tried to get used to the leverless style. However, playing without a joystick gave my left hand cramps and felt very awkward. At the moment, I am considering selling my barely used Kitsune locally. If anyone would like to convince me to keep it, please make your case. Thanks!
Honestly I think if it's that uncomfortable, it would make sense to sell it. The best controller is the controller that works best for you.
I won’t convince you to keep it. If your hands feel painful you should stop as soon as possible. That being said, with the correct technique, it is very possible for most hand sizes and shapes to use a leverless without experiencing hand cramps.
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.@@skybunnynell
@@NihongoGamer Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
Hey i had cramps my first couple of days and apparently i was using the leverless wrong. Luckily i watched Sajam who already had several videos of him actually getting injured as a result and how he eventually figured out what went wrong. Idk if you have the same problem i did, but you have to float your hands above the leverless rather than resting your wrists on the pad. In addition, you do have to warm up before a long session. Any hand exercises that piano players do will help.
Do you need to plug this into a PC for updates? I'm getting one tomorrow for PS5.
From the website it looks like all updates are done by pc only
Random question here but have you tried using the Razer Kitsune with the brook wingman xe 2 on a nintendo switch? I would really like to make this work so I can use this on the upcoming MvC 2 release.
My biggest problem with the Kitsune is the fact that they use 30mm buttons but have them slighty more spaced out than other all button controllers. If you have smallish hands they have to work more for the same inputs as on a hitbox, snackbox
does it have turbo?
Did you try the leverless sticks from Haute42? I love to hear your opinion about it!
For the non initiated what does socd stand for? Whats the advantage?
Good question. I explain it in most videos but in this one maybe I glossed over it too quickly. The advantage is that you avoid problems in legacy games that don’t know how to handle simultaneous opposing cardinal directions. Added bonus is that you rarely misinput commands since they’re discrete inputs and not done through motion gestures which can overshoot. Then there’s shortcuts…
@@NihongoGamer gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to explain. 🙏🏻
So. Are there new features only work on pc，if you are ps5 player you just can use l3 and r3 in tournament lock mode？
I cant get my touchpad to work anymore in game, can anyone help with this? The game (t8) and steam doesnt name the kitsune in button mapping any longer
your kitsune is broken
I cant register any of the buttons into parry with my new Razer Kitsune which i find very weird. When testing the button in sf6 it doesnt input it
I have the hardest time doing back rolling forward to up/toward motions like Cammy's OG hooligan on a leverless.
There are a couple techniques you can use to make this easier. In general clean technique is the fix
@@NihongoGamer thank you. I play on a Squid box, mostly because of your review. I'll give it a shot in SF4.
Can you do a video with comparison of SOCD variations dedicated to Tekken 8?
Sadly I don’t play enough Tekken so I’d probably miss many things. Maybe I’ll learn more about it this year tho!
@NihongoGamer, please is it possible to have more than one SOCD mode active at the same time? E.G. Having both the "up priority" and "Last Input Priority" enabled.
No.
You can’t mix and match SOCD modes. To do so you’d need to code your own app or make a device that cleans inputs for you.
@@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77 Thank you.
@@NihongoGamer Understood. Thanks very much.
They actually did it ?! That's awesome !
Excellent update! 👍
Are you still against crossups? since a crossup and leverless can do the exact same thing, especially the 16 button ones
Where do I find the firmware update on the razer website?
Click Support->Console-> then select kitsune from the options available
Stickin to my 90€ Haute T16.
Does the firmware updater work on Mac?
I asked and currently it’s pc only for the updater but if there is significant demand for a Mac updater they may consider it!
@@NihongoGamer Thank you for asking! If you’re wondering I used a friends pc for the update mine.
Can I connect two of these to the PS5, so I can able to play both SF6 & Tekken 8 with my friends?
Yes, I played sf6 with a friend on his laptop connecting both our kitsunes
Absolute up is still meaningful in SF for charge characters. Isn’t that why they banned it?
I had to return this one, lap play makes it bend in the middle =(
How does yours bend? It's metal
@@JELIFISH19 Metal can bend; but anywho if there is a gap between your legs while you play, the downward pressure will make the whole unit concave after a couple of hours of play
@@JELIFISH19 That's why it bends. It's like an iPhone with an aluminum case, and those are famous for bending. If it had a hard plastic shell, it wouldn't bend.
Can we this this on xbox? 😢 😭
Just received mine a few days ago :)
3:46😂
godlike update for charge chars
Razer ! I want Raion 2 !!! Please also take care fight pad player 🥺
I didn't even know this existed and I own one! Thank god I don't gotta buy any new hardware or anything and it's a simple software upgrade!
haute42 with hotswappable low profile keyboard style switches, fully opensource system and starts at around 50euro/dollars and the biggest benefit is not having to use the god awful razer software :) (oh yeah and it has RGB baby)
I wouldve bought this if it supported Xbox also, o well the Snackbox has been cool
$300 seems overpriced.
Yeah. It would be different if it were an especially good leverless controller, but it's just mediocre.
This review on the huge update made me order this product
I loved the design of this hit, but I didn't trust the razor
I liked the reviews on your channel, and now I am a subscriber.
Glad to have you aboard
Now we need extra button layout then it’s a buy
I just want to mention that it’s really sad that you can’t update via Mac or directly via ps5! I mean…it’s an official ps5 licensed product! Sadly I don’t own a windows pc.
Don't you have one at work or school?
@@JyGproductions nope
Pleeeeease make an xbox version, we don’t have anything
I just bought it and will receive my Kitsune today! I'm new to Tekken though, is SOCD any good for Lili or Reina? For Doryah (Soryah) for example?
This is very cool, but those super jumps look so cheap! 😅 Every day I'm leaning more towards thinking these are cheatboxes. I gotta try one, though.
In some ways they definitely make certain techniques trivial and that affects the game balance in some ways. Generally I think people still feel that whatever the controller, there’s enough in the mental game that the better player is the one that will win though.
@@NihongoGamer Yes, I still think the better player wins. The fact that Daigo and Tokido are getting MORE missinputs now than they ever did before they switched is one of the reasons I don't judge leverless too harshly (I want to try them, also; it's just that I just enjoy stick too much).
I don't know why Daigo hasn't tried a mixed controller like the Cross|Up because I've seen his Ken do OD Tatsu by mistake (like on his online match against Angrybird which he posted on his channel) and when he was playing around with Zangief, he'd miss a guaranteed SPD after a Punish Counter DI because he'd just jump HP.
Sako and Fuudo are still using stick and a lot of pros play using the thumbstick, so... The reason I lose isn't hitbox players. 😂
Is a shame it does not have a headphone jack...
5:57 Is that really true? If you flashkick without standing, I can tell which input method you're NOT using: the legal one! 😂
Even with default SOCD you could get the same 0f delay between crouching and the standing input, it’s just harder to time since the input cleaner doesn’t auto time the button release and button press for you I guess
@@NihongoGamer I was under the impression it was impossible. It therefore renders SOCD like chess cheating online, then, it's about probability: someone who does it 100% of the time is cheating.
Although, whether playing the way one wants at home is cheating or not, is to be determined. I personally don't care that much, I'd much rather focus on things I can control like my not checking Drive Rushes with correct normals or letting my opponent steamroll me with fake things I should have an answer for.
I wish this would come to Xbox 😞
You could always buy conversion kits for a stick that's compatible for xbox
Yeah an official release for Xbox would be great
if M controls are allowed in tournaments, i aint cleaning my SOCD up+down=neutral
But what about tekkennnnn
Finally!
you're the coolest
Oh cool, now its almost comparable to the $75 controllers! 😂 🤦♂️ 🫠
What the sigma is this? I play SF6 and Tekken, should I be concerned?
Skill issue?!..does he not know the shortcut for spd's on a hitbox?....its so much easier than what he did
🤓
Still overpriced and outdated. Can't replace the switches with standard mx switches. How anti consumer can you be? Case is not metal. Just a metal plate on top. No real up button to use the controller for other games than fighting games. ☮️
Street Fighter 6 is best played locally against friends, family members and tournament opponents. Playing online on Street Fighter 6 is pointless because Capcom wants you to create a Capcom ID account needed to play online on Street Fighter 6 and that doesn't make any sense.
Can i have yours
Why is this thing so expensive, actual scam.
Cheatbox