The Normans Defeat the Pope...then Surprise Him

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  • In the Norman conquest of Southern Italy, the Battle of Civitate in 1053 was as important as the Battle of Hastings in England in 1066. The Normans under the brothers Humphrey of Hauteville and Robert Guiscard faced the forces of Pope Leo IX. Support my work on Patreon:
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    Civitate, 1053...a moment that would have long term consequences for the Normans and their place in the history of the Italian Peninsula. The Hautvilles play a pivotal role in this one.

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  • @RealCrusadesHistory
    @RealCrusadesHistory  5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Get my book about the Crusades: www.amazon.com/Why-Does-Heathen-Rage-Crusades/dp/152395762X

    • @jb2532
      @jb2532 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pope Leo died a year later…

  • @worsethanjoerogan8061
    @worsethanjoerogan8061 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The Normans seem to literally be real life, questing adventurer knights. Travel to faraway lands, hire on with powerful empires, defeat armies many times their size and carve out legacies for themselves.

    • @City-Hunter
      @City-Hunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats where Mount&Blade took inspiration from

  • @YOSUP315
    @YOSUP315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Your videos have officially made the Normans my favorite medieval peoples. That Norman blood sure is great stuff!

  • @easternhistorian4763
    @easternhistorian4763 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Woah these Normans are prolific, even before 1066

  • @historicalminds6812
    @historicalminds6812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    It appears that the Normans saw opportunity in this conflict with the Papacy; as they were able to wipe out the competition and be legitimized by the Pope. Had piety outweighed their lust for pillaging they would of ceased such actions when initially inquired by the pope. That being said the fact that they capitulated at all to the Pope shows the value they held in their faith.

    • @RealCrusadesHistory
      @RealCrusadesHistory  5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      In the initial dialogues, the Norman leadership promised an end to the pillaging. The problem was the Norman leaders often couldn't control the freebooting knights under them. The Norman counts at this stage weren't able to deliver the stability that the popes wanted, but shortly after this they would preside over a very cohesive and well organized state.

    • @arawn1061
      @arawn1061 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RealCrusadesHistory so a bit like the Seljuk treatise with the byzantines?

  • @robertwilliamkearney
    @robertwilliamkearney 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This battle took place near the town my Grandfather's family comes from in Puglia. It still bears the name "San Paolo so Civitate".

  • @mrstarfishh33
    @mrstarfishh33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Love the Norman history

  • @highlordsilverhand1228
    @highlordsilverhand1228 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    These videos are always well done, and the music he actually writes himself and the songs are good, check out his book

  • @christianboulay4722
    @christianboulay4722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good work!

  • @AlecFortescue
    @AlecFortescue 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Absolutely fascinated.

  • @WalkmanYT
    @WalkmanYT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great vid!

  • @scorpionking5631
    @scorpionking5631 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was just awesome

  • @ppaooh
    @ppaooh ปีที่แล้ว

    I am from south Italy and I find these videos very interesting and based on historical facts and not only epics.
    Thanks!

  • @visethonor7484
    @visethonor7484 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Allow my notifications:
    Robert de la Guichard is buried in my hometown Venosa, Lucania.
    He’s the Founding Father of OUR nation, the Kingdom of Sicily (that would change the name into Two Sicilies later on). His brother Roger would become the first King.
    Hence, we are Napolitans (on the continent) and Sicilians (on the Island).

  • @dolceegabnanmm3927
    @dolceegabnanmm3927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    My surname franco-norman legacy (ferrante=ferrant) from sicily

    • @serenemountain6769
      @serenemountain6769 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ferrante means "The one that Bites"

    • @chrisadlc1
      @chrisadlc1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasn’t there a King Ferrante of Naples that had his enemies killed, stuffed and sat round a table like the Last Supper in one of his rooms of his castle ?

  • @joannnorman7531
    @joannnorman7531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love hearing about the ancestors

  • @lavish_1717
    @lavish_1717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I’m smitten with these Normans. 💕😍
    Wished I had Norman heritage.

  • @magdaw3123
    @magdaw3123 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Too bad we don't have such Normans around today....

    • @rifleman4005
      @rifleman4005 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They are. It’s called Normandy in France. Remember D day landing in WW2

    • @Bellg
      @Bellg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rifleman4005 they are nothing like the normans of old

    • @rifleman4005
      @rifleman4005 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bellg they were brutish thugs like most people at the time. They were just better st it.

    • @christianfreedom-seeker934
      @christianfreedom-seeker934 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There are some Anglo-Norman families left but they allowed themselves to be diluted by blood, corrupted by wealth and their minds addled by Internationalism.

    • @kasperlaugesen4100
      @kasperlaugesen4100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rifleman4005 idiot

  • @WarDogMadness
    @WarDogMadness 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    were is that depiction from 2:51.

  • @micksmith5123
    @micksmith5123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Swabian swordsmen vs norman knights would have been cool to witness

  • @isaacmartell2110
    @isaacmartell2110 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Would the Normans have had stirrups in 1066? The paintings show them.

    • @pitmezzari2873
      @pitmezzari2873 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If they're in pictures from the time then yes

    • @morriganmhor5078
      @morriganmhor5078 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The stirrups got to Europe probably in 6th AD from Middle East via Avarsm, so yes.

    • @elwolf8536
      @elwolf8536 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The tapestry was commissioned 75 years later I think . But yes

    • @micksmith5123
      @micksmith5123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, if fact it was the stirrups that allowed the normans not just charge into the enemy but fight on horse back with a sword aswell. Without the stirrups, you cant use your legs to generate power for thrusting and thrasing.

    • @City-Hunter
      @City-Hunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Normans (amalgam between Suebi Vikings and Franks) come from Normandy, and are known from said noseguards on their helmets and mail armors + one of the best spear cavalry of Western Europe (they had a unique technique of holding lances accurately).
      The Tapestry of Bayeux tells the tale of the Conquest of England by Duke Guillaume of Normandy (he was a relative of Harald Hardraada too).

  • @darthwizzywizard
    @darthwizzywizard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The Normans were the best.

    • @lavish_1717
      @lavish_1717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wizard Wiz
      Ikr

    • @oleksandr2234
      @oleksandr2234 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lazarus Zoolander Anglo-Saxon realm was conquered by Norman's...

    • @serenemountain6769
      @serenemountain6769 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, It has the Pope's Seal of approval ! Literally !

  • @maryannkelley7039
    @maryannkelley7039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍😄

  • @historicalminds6812
    @historicalminds6812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Woah what's with the reupload?

    • @RealCrusadesHistory
      @RealCrusadesHistory  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A few slight corrections were in order.

    • @historicalminds6812
      @historicalminds6812 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Real Crusades History what were the correction in question? I remember reading the comments on the previous upload about what swords the Swabians used but that isn’t mentioned in this video.

    • @dallastaylor5479
      @dallastaylor5479 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RealCrusadesHistory why use pictures of the tapestry which had nothing to do with the campaign in Italy?

    • @RealCrusadesHistory
      @RealCrusadesHistory  5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@dallastaylor5479 Because it gives us a good idea of what the armor and weapons would have been like. It's absolutely appropriate. I once watched one of the world's foremost Crusades historians give a lecture on the First Crusade using many slides from the Bayeux Tapestry.

  • @Philipp.of.Swabia
    @Philipp.of.Swabia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those Swabians had balls, facing cavalry on foot, and when being defeated fighting to the death rather than surrendering.

    • @RealCrusadesHistory
      @RealCrusadesHistory  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. They must've been fierce fighters themselves.

    • @Philipp.of.Swabia
      @Philipp.of.Swabia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RealCrusadesHistory indeed, it is extremely interesting to read about the German italo conflicts, such as this battle, because in the 12th century, emperor Heinrich of Hohenstaufen bought Richard the Lionheart from Leopold of Austria, with the Money that Heinrich received then from England ( 100.000 Mark ) he was able to finally invade Sicily and end the Norman rule. „Sweet revenge“ so to say. 😂
      About the Swabians, they always seemed to be a warrior nation, the Suebi tribe were amongst the biggest problem makers for the Romans and the later Swabians formed the so called Swabian Confederation, helping the emperor with the dirty work, they are known for their cruelty against the Swiss confederacy and the Swiss common folk. Sadly they are mostly overshadowed by other Germanic people like the Saxons, Franks or Bavarians.

  • @ArchCone
    @ArchCone 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Only if all the popes troops had been swabian i bet he could of won.

    • @serenemountain6769
      @serenemountain6769 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, if the Pope had Gut's he would die Fighting ...

    • @lokkotez
      @lokkotez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@serenemountain6769 popes are not warriors

  • @christianfreedom-seeker934
    @christianfreedom-seeker934 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why couldn't the Norman's have just remained in France and Italy? William's descendants were a plague on England and in a way England has never really recovered from their misrule.

    • @christophedel2642
      @christophedel2642 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Analyzing Male Slaveryethnically England is our real country more than France

  • @christophedel2642
    @christophedel2642 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    England is becoming the most powerful country in the world after Hastings

    • @sebastien3002
      @sebastien3002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      England only became the most powerful after the battle of Waterloo in 1815. France ruled the World on and off for almost 800 years. Even today, France is number one Soft Power on the planet.

    • @javier6926
      @javier6926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sébastien both you and the other guy exaggerate. France was powerful in the medieval period but to say it “ruled the world “ is a massive exaggeration , it didn’t even rule all Europe , although it was one of its leading kingdoms. And in the early modern period , Spain was stronger than France until the mid 17th century. France was the most powerful country in Europe until the napoleonic wars, after that it remained strong , but weaker than England and Prussia/ Germany for sure. So French dominance actually lasted form circa 1650- 1815, 165 years , not 800 as you claim. It was perhaps even shorter , because France was already falling behind Britain by the time of the 7 years war , when it lost Canada and India to the British , who were the leading naval power at the time and also were beginning the industrial revolution.

  • @elfornicador11
    @elfornicador11 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The kingdom of sicily, right?

    • @dolceegabnanmm3927
      @dolceegabnanmm3927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      guillermo daniel pivetta porras conquista del Sud Italia prima di venire in sicilia

    • @elfornicador11
      @elfornicador11 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dolceegabnanmm3927 grazie 1000!

    • @dolceegabnanmm3927
      @dolceegabnanmm3927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Il tuo nome è Guglielmo come il secondo e terzo re di sicilia( norman king)

    • @elfornicador11
      @elfornicador11 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dolceegabnanmm3927 et il primo re da inglaterra

    • @dolceegabnanmm3927
      @dolceegabnanmm3927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes 1066 england :)

  • @WarDogMadness
    @WarDogMadness 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    watch your video vs kings and general lefty bs yours is much better.

  • @87Arthus
    @87Arthus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Why do the english call themselves anglo-saxons instead of anglo-normans??
    The normans were much more important to history than both celts and saxons.

    • @lavish_1717
      @lavish_1717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Charles
      I always did wonder that. I think maybe the addition of Norman blood is what made the British end up becoming owner such a powerful colonial empire.

    • @GideonStahl
      @GideonStahl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's because the identity of England and Language of England where formed in the time of Alfred the Great.
      What it meant to be English was in a time when England were fighting off the invasions from the Danes and other Northmen.

    • @rifleman4005
      @rifleman4005 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cause the Norman’s were French and the English did not want to admit the rulers of England were French.

    • @87Arthus
      @87Arthus 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Caratacus Makes sense, thank you!

    • @87Arthus
      @87Arthus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rifleman4005 But in the early middle ages there was no french national or ethnic identity. As far as i know, people identified as bretons, occitans, franks etc