I switched to using oils exclusively about 2 years ago, and I agree: I'm never going back to acrylics. ;) I find they're so much easier to work with, actually, and much less stressful and zen. It's surprisingly fast to just kind of blob on colors to block in volumes, then go back with a dry blending brush and move it around to blend and smooth. I generally follow Wappel's methods, with a few tweaks here and there. Great to see more folks trying them out.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis oils are great...I have to agree and disagree it's just the clean up that's the pain....that's why I use heavy body acrylics as opposed to regular acrylics
I love this! Truly fantastic stuff. I'm primarily a scale modeler and I use oils for weathering effects and to push highlights and shadows on my models but its incredible to see what you can do from the ground up with oils. Love it
Love the final results, took me years to try out oil washes and now I almost use them exclusively for all my builds. Slowly trying out AK's Abteilung 502 oil range (20ml tubes) specially for non metallic metal, oils give such a smooth blending effect and the longer drying time is perfect.
Great video! Subscribed. I am teaching myself oils and love working with them, but for army scale games I keep going back to acrylic paint. I still have a long way to go with oils, so I am sure that is part of it.
OK, as someone who only has experience with painting with acrylics, that ease of blending is absolutely insane and really something I struggle with! Guess I'll have to try some oil paints then.
Very nice showcasing how to paint with oils. I also like your soothing voice tbh. Hope you'll do more of those. Like how to work with some specific colors (red in particular) whose transparency makes it difficult for me.
I don't use them much because of solvent exposure. My painting area has limited air flow, especially in winter. I'd use them more with a better spot. I'm sure a little white spirit won't kill me, but I'm uncomfortable with chronic exposure and I want to be painting for a long time to come! I use oil washes with a respirator and the window open. Painting for hours wearing a respirator is... tiring. I've tried Gamblin's "Solvent-Free Fluid" medium, but it's very glossy.
This is really a big part, particularly in warhammer land where kids/younger teens paint and parents may not be comfortable with solvent use. You can do some things from oil using watercolor, but not all.
@@frostreaper1607 Do they work the same way for what is popular in YT warhammer painting, where you wash then remove the excess? Using just water? Or do you need solvent for that part as well.
I use Artisan water mixable oils by W&N. Never use any solvents, only water. Even for washing my brushes (water & brush soap). You can do washes. The paint dries a little faster than regular oil paints.
You are totally right ! since 2-3 years Im addicted to oil paints ,was searching after a crimsonfists painting tutorial and found an oil approach by Vince Venturella ,and after that ended up with James Wappel. I regret nothing, it is so hard for me to go back to acrylics ,sometimes I think that it would be impossible to go back to acrylcs. You are talking from the deepest of my Oilpainter soul. Thanks for this video ,it feels so good, knowing that more people are working with oils :)
very cool to see a different method and style. 35 years ago, all i had was little vials of Testors oil paints. But the paint type didnt matter - I didn't have a clue what I was doing hehe.
Wonderful video! Does anyone have a rundown on cleanup materials and workload behind safe handling? What do you do with solvents you clean brushes with? How do you store handle and dispose? Would love to get into oils just not sure how to setup the boring cleanup part.
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This is amazing, I'm hoping there are more tutorials coming!
I've been dabbling in oils on and off for the past year. I still cant decide how i feel, theyre very very fun to use but they're both fast to use and slow to use because of the drying. You can layer with oils like acrobit it takes weeks to oaint something, but the blending is super fast. I'm going to keep playing with them. If you feel like helping with some CC it would be great to show you my current model
I'd love to help. I do feedback for my supporters on patreon and I offer private coaching through patreon as well. Hope to see you there :) www.patreon.com/Watchpaintdry_minis?
Great video. You mention Wappel and I notice your style here is similar to his in that the whole figure is painted with a very limited palette with only minor variation between parts (e.g. pants and wings are both green/blue). This prioritizes dramatic lighting and is a great style yet I wonder if one could also fully oil- paint a figure to look like 'eavy metal style with strong separation between parts, high contrast edge highlights etc.
I just started painting and trying to absorb as much know-how as possible, have you tried CMYK colors instead of red-yellow-blue? Your model here looks really vibrant, it gives me confidence to explore this oil-paint route rather than just sticking to acrylics, although I'm sure the skill is what I am mostly seeing here. Anyway, thanks for the inspiration.
I think there are a lot more red pigments easily available than magenta - so I like to go this route. I'm glad you like the video. I have much more content on the patreon if you're interested. Thanks for watching!
This is still one of my favourite mini painting videos to watch. I do have a question: as someone whos proficient in both oil and acrylic, for what reasons do you swtich between these mediums?
I'm glad you like the video! I enjoy both mediums: acrylics offers some super nice oppertunites for textures and sharper contrasts. They're also very good on camera because they dry matt and it's easy to see the paint job on video or a photo. Oils are nice because of their softness and the way paint mixes in sometimes unforeseen ways. There's also the relaxation of not worrying about controlling the dilution and paints drying on the palette. And I also think it's way faster to get a decent result. So, I switch between these because i like them for differnet things and different moods.
Sounds like something I could use for the terrain, but not for minis. Not at the moment. Convenience and fast drying of acrylics is essential for me since I have no dedicated work station and kids who love to contribute.
Interesting, i've never though of oil paints as being a quick and easy way of painting, especialy the non metalic metals look way quicker, I'd like to see what a 45-60 minute oil paint vs acrilic can do. There is a children's rhyme in french "La peinture à l'huile. C'est bien difficile. Mais c'est bien plus beau. Que la peinture à l'eau." translates to: Oil paint is hard, but it looks better than water paint. So I've had a deep seeded fear of oilpaints since childhood 😄.
I'm glad you like them. It all depends on what your needs are. But some other pigments that are popular are: egyptian violet from williamsburg Paynes grey Burnt umber (or another brown like van dyke brown) cobalt turquise cobalt green cadmium lemon quinacridone magenta
It's a different feeling from acrylic. You need very little paint, and can apply in a almost dry-brush like fashion. If the layer is too thick you can always wipe it off.
Interesting video. I started to dabble with oil paints and was blown away how easy it is to get smooth blends and will definitely explore further. I have a question for you though. You did not mention whether you primed your miniature. I am 3D printing and I think the porous surface of the miniature might be enough to paint directly on them without priming first. What do you think?
I havent used the lineseed oil but it's a tried and true method for canvas painters, yes. I use the liquin because of how fast it is. And i don't even always use it - only on projects that i need to finish quickly. Glad you like the video - maybe I'll make a video on testing differnet mediums soon.
Not really to the same extent. The acrylics dont mix in quite the same way. Oils can be super thin and still quite vibrant sort of like acrylic inks. Heavy body acrylics can be used for some wet blending techniques but not on the entire model at once like i use the oils here.
It could be you need a softer brush. Could also be that you need to apply a thicker layer. I have some live demonstrations on my patreon showing how i paint unedited if you're interested. Www.patreon.com/watchpaintdry_minis
I still have a set of water suitable oils, I might try this. edit; it went terrible do NOT use water suitable oils they took like 2 months to dry. I since went out and bought classic high grade artist grade oils and they are fantastic to work with and dry in only 2 or 3 days.
I have been wanting to try oils paints for a while. This has definitely inspired me to give them a try. One concern I have is if I mess up really bad. With acrylics if that happens I can always just hit the reset button with green goo etc. Is there something like that for oil paints?
Thinner/dilutent/white spirit will clean any paint on the model. It's easiest if the paint is still wet. But just start on a test model to adjust the technique. I hope you try them and have fun!
Thanks for the great video! How does your blending brush not take paint off the model? When I’ve tried this it seems like I can barley touch the paint before I’m just removing it. Is the brush as dry as possible? (No spirits?)
When you’re blending, are you using a brush dampened with your spirits, or is the brush completely dry? I’m an acrylic painter, but I’m really interested in oil painting. Also, do you use a varnish after your done to set the paints, if you intend to game with the models?
I use a clean and dry brush for blending. It should be a soft one, as well. Varnish is great because of how satin the oil paints dry, but also for protecting the paintjob depending on your needs :)
Very informative. Subscribers: +1. One thing I notice, in this video only, as I have yet to watch any others, is that your painting is very stylised, even cartoonish. Many miniature painters paint this way, and its use can depend on the final purpose one has for the miniature; display, gaming, competition, etc. I do not have a problem with this, however, as a long time wargamer in many genres, I much prefer, in general, the realistic look for miniatures. That is, the accurate depictions of material based lighting and textures - as in the Historical area of wargaming/military simulation - well, at least for the most part we do not see many stylised painting schemes. Maybe this is something you could discuss, if you haven't already - or better yet, present a similar video in which you tackle oil painting in a realistic style. Cheers.
I'd love to do something more realistic, and that will come for sure. I have an upcoming project that I think will be right up your alley. The stylized/illustrative painting style is a lot of fun to me. Some projects are more colorful and some are more desaturated. For this project I wanted something that was different and would stand out on the gaming table. I'm glad you like the channel, and i'll keep you're request in mind.
Amazing! For clarification: you don't prime your miniatures with acrylics before using oils? You go straight from the raw figure to oils? That would be huge for me. I HATE priming.
It depends on the finish of the primer. A matte primer like army painter can take the oils just fine without acrylics. A satin one like GW not so much. Glad you like the video
I struggle painting with oils especially because I didn t get it to dry in acceptable time. It seems that your oils are drying really quick. Do you have Tips too Enhancer the dringlich time?
Okay I need to buy your recommended start palette now I’ve been working so hard to find a style I like for some slaanesh units and I realize now you just can’t do what I wanna do well with acrylics and oil would be better
Here I've used army painter rattle can primer (grey) and a mix of AK satin and AK ultra matte varnish (4:1) through the airbrush once the paint has dried.
Painting miniatures with oil paints can be quite costly, but the investment is undoubtedly worth it. When it comes to choosing a medium for painting miniatures, oil paints reign supreme. Their results are unparalleled, far surpassing the outcomes achieved with standard acrylic paints. Once you have honed your skills with oil paints, there is simply no going back. Believe me, as someone who adores working with oil paints, the ability to seamlessly blend colors is truly remarkable.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis plus much easier to create your own custom colors to your own liking than settling for what comes in a bottle...another thing is that bottle colors are not a bright as heavy body paints
I really wished some TH-camr would show alternative techniques with oil some day. The “Wappel” style does look great, and I’m sure it’s creatively fulfilling, but it also leads to models that can be difficult to read and textures that are too smooth. In classical painting, oils can be used for much more precise techniques and solvents are not the main medium to fluidity the paint, I really wished one day someone would explore different avenues better adapted to more detailed models.
Historically painters have used RGB and there's just so many more variations of these colors in the market. If you want to use magenta pick up a quinacridone magenta, cobalt turqouise and any bright yellow such as cadmium lemon or yellow bright. I'll speak more about this in an upcoming video on all things color theory related.
@@Watchpaintdry_ministhanks for the reply. I'm just getting back into the hobby and started diving into color theory, so I'm pretty excited to hear you say cadmium lemon because it means I had the right idea!
Honestly for me it might be quicker. But then again, i've never painted that many in a short period of time. I think it all depends on what we are most comfortable with.
Why isn't everyone using Oil paint? I mean, I think you answered the question with the cash register noise just before. Picking up one color of artist grade oil paint is a much bigger investment than an acrylic miniature paint, and anything less than artist-grade will leave you with some grittiness to your paintjob, limiting you to washes and grimdark paintjobs. Even made-for-purpose miniature oil paints like Abteilung are both expensive and on the lower end of Artist Grade quality. With that said, I highly recommend experimenting with oils. Even a $15 set of cheapo 1oz no-name oil paints will work for weathering, where the chunky pigments don't matter or enhance the effect.
Thanks for the comment. Honestly I think a bigger factor is the fact that companies arent marketing oil paints to miniature painters. So even the professional painters are used to painting in acrylics. But yes, the oils are expensive but so is Kimera (65 euro) and those sell out faster than they can be produced most often. It's also my impression that the majority of paintes really enjoy buying new paints. So I think the oils will be making a comeback and we're allready seeing 'miniature paints' in oil from Abteliung. Maybe this will be the next trend after speed/contrast paints. Thanks for watching the video.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis No problem! I definitely agree that oils are coming back in a big way. And yeah, kimeras sell out, but they're also in small runs. I think if you polled folks, you'd find a lot more actively using some form of oil paint than any kimera paints. And even then, a single pot of kimera paint is only $7, much less than a tube of high quality oil paint. Most painters don't really think of their paints as an exhaustable resource, because you just don't go through them that fast. That initial sticker shock is rough. I've been debating back and forth with myself if it's worth it to pick up a tube of Williamsburg Egyptian Violet for around a year now.
But you really only need to buy 12 colours plus maybe a medium. I've always thought that those hundreds of little bottles of acrylics you see on other painters' shelves to be such nonsense. In the old days oils (and enamels) are what absolutely everyone used.
I'm one of those ppl who like to buy paints. Why? Mixing colour from primary and secondary colours is rather tedious for me, and since I'm a novice at colour theory, oftentimes I don't get it right. Yes I understand the more I practice the more I will become proficient at it. But after only working with a limited palette of 20 paints in my first 2 yrs of painting, I felt I had enough. So while painting with oil seems to have many advantages (and looks freaking awesome), working with just a handful of paints is severely limiting for a novice-intermediate painter such as myself.
True, though a lot of that comes from the pervasive sentiment that if you drop into a hobby shop, you should buy something. Usually, the cheapest thing you're likely to want is going to be a single bottle or pot of paint. The people who go out and just buy an entire line of paints also probably have some oils in their collection as well.@@HO-bndk
Abteiling 502 oils are specifically made for painting miniatures and are amazing In my opinion but oils in general have helped me progress and also highly recommend
Well, maybe oils are great... but I see a bunch of skill on display here. Just sayin'. My oil washes don't work out like how I want. Let alone full-on painting. 😢 beautiful work tho. I'll try again. You inspired me... or tricked me. Haha.
Kinda think that none of the misconceptions are not really misconceptions. >expensive Not beyond first glance and many people buy tens-hundreds of acrylic paints anyway, which is not required with artist grade paint >take ages to dry Drying within a day or two is considered "ages" compared to mini paints. I don't think this is really a problem but it is orders of magnitudes longer than acrylic. >Difficult to use Really, oils are wheeled out on warhammer youtube quite often as a quick way to wash or panel line. A number of these have also made "smooth blends" tutorials. No, I don't think there is a misconception that oils are "hard", its mostly that oils are simply not considered at all, and when they are it is not for doing the heavy lifting part of painting. If there is a difficulty to use it is paint mixing/mixing theory as mini painters in general use horrible sausage paint that doesn't mix well so it needs to be learned from scratch
Fair point, and i'd agree with price not being a big factor for most painters. However with the drying time I think it's important to realize that the slow drying time is exactely what makes the oils usefull. We just have to change our approach from layering into wet-on-wet painting. I think that people find oils difficult since they require some knowledge of color mixing and this is exactely what makes them a good tool to progress your painting. Since finding that freedom from recipies makes painting more free, creative and fun. While misconceptions are maybe not the most accurate wording I do think that the idea works for communicating the information to the viewer in a quicker manner than pondering too deeply over why oil paints arent more popular for the heavy lifting as you say. Thanks for watching the video and for your input. I appreciate it!
Gotta make sure your ventilation is up to snuff or wear a respirator and keep family/pets out of your space when working with this stuff. A great tool, just keep safety top priority.
Respirator? Nonsense. Ventilation yes but respirator? Are you leaving the jar of spirits open???? Not even oil painters leave the jar sitting out unsealed.
@jasoncarpenter5974 I said "or." If your ventilation isn't great, then you're just aspirating the fumes without some other mitigation. Considering this video recommends oils as the primary media for the hobby, prolonged exposure will cause serious harm to your lungs. Plenty of artists with poorly ventilated studios have found that out.
If it's not for you then that's totally fair. But i want to remind you that the painting you see in the video is done in one layer, spending 1-2 hours on each model. So it's not the same layering method as you'll see when working with acrylics. So, in my opinion the drying time is not that big of an issue
I was doing oils only miniatures for a little while but I kind of sucked at it. I could never understand the timing of painting with oils. how long to allow oils to set before moving to the next step. Sometimes I would apply a paint on a area, work on it with a highlight and rub off the top layer exposing the primer underneath. Also my skills were not that good. Like if I looked up a tutorial on how to paint a display quality skin, for example, I would want to follow the steps in acrylic on how to paint any object but the oils tutorials most people paint all over the mini with seeming the same color before going back to that spot of interest with a different color. It's the ADHD of mini painting. This put me at a disadvantage because I want to watch a video on how to do a higher level skin techniques, or any technique for that matter, which they used acrylics and I am using the medium of oils, it always caused a mess and work I was never happy with. Also the fine texture was hard to pull off with oils compared to oils, it is easy to grab a color and do crosshatching, stippling, or micro scratching but oils would want to blend rather than apply the texture. Sorry for the rant. I painted some ok stuff with oils, even better when I mixed oils and acrylics. Also preglazing with the Egyptian Violet , is a bad idea, I've had to strip miniatures many times because of that color is way too strong as a stain color.
Oils have some learning curve, true. The texturing is not as easy to do either. But i'm happy to use oils for what they're good at, and acrylics for what they're good at, instead of fighting the medium, embrace it. I don't know that i agree with your assesment of egyptian violet for the pre-glaze. It depends on the scheme you're working and alternatively you can mix the color with something like burnt umber to reduce its staining power. You can also thin it further with the dilutent to reduce its impact. Thanks for watching and chiming in
I switched to using oils exclusively about 2 years ago, and I agree: I'm never going back to acrylics. ;) I find they're so much easier to work with, actually, and much less stressful and zen. It's surprisingly fast to just kind of blob on colors to block in volumes, then go back with a dry blending brush and move it around to blend and smooth. I generally follow Wappel's methods, with a few tweaks here and there. Great to see more folks trying them out.
Agreed oils are super relaxing to use and wappels stuff is awesome. I've taken a lot of inspiration from him, as you can see. Thanks for watching!
Agree 100%.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis oils are great...I have to agree and disagree it's just the clean up that's the pain....that's why I use heavy body acrylics as opposed to regular acrylics
@@ghostrangerp.8819 not if you're tidy about it, the pay off is worth it imho
I love this! Truly fantastic stuff. I'm primarily a scale modeler and I use oils for weathering effects and to push highlights and shadows on my models but its incredible to see what you can do from the ground up with oils. Love it
Wow! Interessting ✌🏽 would love to see a speed painting vid
Love the final results, took me years to try out oil washes and now I almost use them exclusively for all my builds.
Slowly trying out AK's Abteilung 502 oil range (20ml tubes) specially for non metallic metal, oils give such a smooth blending effect and the longer drying time is perfect.
Great video! Subscribed. I am teaching myself oils and love working with them, but for army scale games I keep going back to acrylic paint. I still have a long way to go with oils, so I am sure that is part of it.
OK, as someone who only has experience with painting with acrylics, that ease of blending is absolutely insane and really something I struggle with! Guess I'll have to try some oil paints then.
Very nice showcasing how to paint with oils. I also like your soothing voice tbh. Hope you'll do more of those. Like how to work with some specific colors (red in particular) whose transparency makes it difficult for me.
I would also like to see a speed painting tutorial. This is really beautiful.
Glad you like it. I'm working on a speed video right now. So subscribe to see that one! Thanks for watching!
Great result. What I have struggled the most in oils is actually the thinning of it.
I don't really thin them at all. I use them straight out of the tube. I don't use thinner to thin them before applying them to the model.
I don't use them much because of solvent exposure. My painting area has limited air flow, especially in winter. I'd use them more with a better spot. I'm sure a little white spirit won't kill me, but I'm uncomfortable with chronic exposure and I want to be painting for a long time to come! I use oil washes with a respirator and the window open. Painting for hours wearing a respirator is... tiring. I've tried Gamblin's "Solvent-Free Fluid" medium, but it's very glossy.
This is really a big part, particularly in warhammer land where kids/younger teens paint and parents may not be comfortable with solvent use. You can do some things from oil using watercolor, but not all.
Water suitable oil paints exist, you'll still need some solvent at the end to clean your brushes but during painting they can be used with water.
@@frostreaper1607 Do they work the same way for what is popular in YT warhammer painting, where you wash then remove the excess? Using just water? Or do you need solvent for that part as well.
I use Artisan water mixable oils by W&N. Never use any solvents, only water. Even for washing my brushes (water & brush soap). You can do washes.
The paint dries a little faster than regular oil paints.
I do not use solvents for painting with oils (except for cleaning the brush at the end of session). You can spread the paint without the solvent.
You are totally right ! since 2-3 years Im addicted to oil paints ,was searching after a crimsonfists painting tutorial and found an oil approach by Vince Venturella ,and after that ended up with James Wappel. I regret nothing, it is so hard for me to go back to acrylics ,sometimes I think that it would be impossible to go back to acrylcs. You are talking from the deepest of my Oilpainter soul. Thanks for this video ,it feels so good, knowing that more people are working with oils :)
very cool to see a different method and style. 35 years ago, all i had was little vials of Testors oil paints. But the paint type didnt matter - I didn't have a clue what I was doing hehe.
Wonderful video! Does anyone have a rundown on cleanup materials and workload behind safe handling? What do you do with solvents you clean brushes with? How do you store handle and dispose? Would love to get into oils just not sure how to setup the boring cleanup part.
This is amazing, I'm hoping there are more tutorials coming!
There's plenty more. Both here on TH-cam and 30+ hours on the patreon :)
@@Watchpaintdry_minis thanks, I will be joining your Patreon
@ Glad to hear it! looking forward to having you :) www.patreon.com/Watchpaintdry_minis
I've been dabbling in oils on and off for the past year. I still cant decide how i feel, theyre very very fun to use but they're both fast to use and slow to use because of the drying. You can layer with oils like acrobit it takes weeks to oaint something, but the blending is super fast. I'm going to keep playing with them.
If you feel like helping with some CC it would be great to show you my current model
I'd love to help. I do feedback for my supporters on patreon and I offer private coaching through patreon as well. Hope to see you there :)
www.patreon.com/Watchpaintdry_minis?
This is amazing to watch and inspiring.
This is how we painted all our minis decades ago.
Oils are awesome. I started using them for basic washes but I'd like to get some colours and try using them for more elements of my miniatures
Great video. You mention Wappel and I notice your style here is similar to his in that the whole figure is painted with a very limited palette with only minor variation between parts (e.g. pants and wings are both green/blue). This prioritizes dramatic lighting and is a great style yet I wonder if one could also fully oil- paint a figure to look like 'eavy metal style with strong separation between parts, high contrast edge highlights etc.
I would love to try a video like this. I should get my hands on some space marines haha!
Most certainly can. Check out Dmitry Fesechko. Does a nive tutorial on a sister of battle
I just started painting and trying to absorb as much know-how as possible, have you tried CMYK colors instead of red-yellow-blue? Your model here looks really vibrant, it gives me confidence to explore this oil-paint route rather than just sticking to acrylics, although I'm sure the skill is what I am mostly seeing here. Anyway, thanks for the inspiration.
I think there are a lot more red pigments easily available than magenta - so I like to go this route. I'm glad you like the video. I have much more content on the patreon if you're interested. Thanks for watching!
@@Watchpaintdry_minis plus the red yellow blue is easier to understand. I tried the CMYK withacrylic inks and it just seemed a hassle.
This is still one of my favourite mini painting videos to watch. I do have a question: as someone whos proficient in both oil and acrylic, for what reasons do you swtich between these mediums?
I'm glad you like the video! I enjoy both mediums: acrylics offers some super nice oppertunites for textures and sharper contrasts. They're also very good on camera because they dry matt and it's easy to see the paint job on video or a photo. Oils are nice because of their softness and the way paint mixes in sometimes unforeseen ways. There's also the relaxation of not worrying about controlling the dilution and paints drying on the palette. And I also think it's way faster to get a decent result. So, I switch between these because i like them for differnet things and different moods.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis thank you for replying. If there is an opportunity to really compare and contrast the 2 mediums, I'd love to see it.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis I tried oil recently and really enjoyed the process! Definitely looking forward to doing more of it!
Sounds like something I could use for the terrain, but not for minis. Not at the moment. Convenience and fast drying of acrylics is essential for me since I have no dedicated work station and kids who love to contribute.
Interesting, i've never though of oil paints as being a quick and easy way of painting, especialy the non metalic metals look way quicker, I'd like to see what a 45-60 minute oil paint vs acrilic can do.
There is a children's rhyme in french "La peinture à l'huile. C'est bien difficile. Mais c'est bien plus beau. Que la peinture à l'eau." translates to: Oil paint is hard, but it looks better than water paint. So I've had a deep seeded fear of oilpaints since childhood 😄.
That's a great saying hahaha! And i think that the 60 min challenge is an excellent idea for a video!
well the master James Wappel shows regularly what an hour with oils can do. its pretty amazing
I honestly don't care for non-metallic metal effects, but makes painting bone infinity easier for me.
Id like to see a mid range sustem. Not necessarily speed paint but just a nice tabletop ready version.
The temptation is so high, thank you for the video and the advice on learning to be okay with sucking again
I would add brilliant yellow pale form Williamsburg as another very useful paint (and all GAmblin radiants but this is adding much more costs)
I have bought paints you recommended, they are awesome, can you tell me what to buy next? Thank you.
I'm glad you like them. It all depends on what your needs are. But some other pigments that are popular are:
egyptian violet from williamsburg
Paynes grey
Burnt umber (or another brown like van dyke brown)
cobalt turquise
cobalt green
cadmium lemon
quinacridone magenta
What about the thickness of the paint? two thin coats and all that to keep the surface even?
It's a different feeling from acrylic. You need very little paint, and can apply in a almost dry-brush like fashion. If the layer is too thick you can always wipe it off.
Wow mate, this is fantastic! I bought some cheapo oil paints for making washes, might give this a try on a mini Im not bothered about messing up 🤘
Interesting video. I started to dabble with oil paints and was blown away how easy it is to get smooth blends and will definitely explore further. I have a question for you though. You did not mention whether you primed your miniature. I am 3D printing and I think the porous surface of the miniature might be enough to paint directly on them without priming first. What do you think?
I would recommend priming first. The oils wont stick and come off when dry in my experience
Thank you for your reply.@@Watchpaintdry_minis
Nice! But raw lineseed oil shouldn't be a better thinner for oils? Some said it's the best,at least on canvas pictures.
I havent used the lineseed oil but it's a tried and true method for canvas painters, yes. I use the liquin because of how fast it is. And i don't even always use it - only on projects that i need to finish quickly. Glad you like the video - maybe I'll make a video on testing differnet mediums soon.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis thanks.
Actually i'm trying oils,too,a full comparison of thinners could be truly useful.
Ps:great painjob!
Didn’t find the links for what you’d suggest to purchase.
Check the video description :)
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Found the ‘more…’ tab x( lol ty
excellent, very inspiring
Cool video! Elsker oil paints og bruger dem selv - meget bedre end acrylic imo
So can this be done with acrylic in the tubes ?
Not really to the same extent. The acrylics dont mix in quite the same way. Oils can be super thin and still quite vibrant sort of like acrylic inks. Heavy body acrylics can be used for some wet blending techniques but not on the entire model at once like i use the oils here.
What would you use to strip oils from a mini if you wanted to give them a different paintjob later on for whatever reason?
White spirit/dilutent/thinner :)
I love the idea of oils however I find that using them for miniatures often leaves unwanted texture/brushmarks. Do I need a softer brush for blending?
It could be you need a softer brush. Could also be that you need to apply a thicker layer. I have some live demonstrations on my patreon showing how i paint unedited if you're interested. Www.patreon.com/watchpaintdry_minis
I still have a set of water suitable oils, I might try this.
edit; it went terrible do NOT use water suitable oils they took like 2 months to dry. I since went out and bought classic high grade artist grade oils and they are fantastic to work with and dry in only 2 or 3 days.
I have been wanting to try oils paints for a while. This has definitely inspired me to give them a try. One concern I have is if I mess up really bad. With acrylics if that happens I can always just hit the reset button with green goo etc. Is there something like that for oil paints?
Thinner/dilutent/white spirit will clean any paint on the model. It's easiest if the paint is still wet. But just start on a test model to adjust the technique. I hope you try them and have fun!
@@Watchpaintdry_minis Thank you!! I definitely will! I plan to start with an old gw fantasy chaos hero model that I have like 12 of 🤣
@@Watchpaintdry_minis The ability to strip minis of oil paint is my main concern too, so you can strip oil paint even if fully cured?
Thanks for the great video! How does your blending brush not take paint off the model? When I’ve tried this it seems like I can barley touch the paint before I’m just removing it. Is the brush as dry as possible? (No spirits?)
Yes the blending brush never touches the thinner. It's completely dry and i just wipe it off on a paper towel to clean it.
I used to paint with oils years ago until I switched to acrylics in the 90's. I think I'll stay with acryllis for now.
so when you were painting this was the paint diluted with the schminke?
Only in the pre glaze stage at the very beginning
So no primer with these paints?
The models are primed with grey primer. I wouldn't skip that step!
@@Watchpaintdry_minis ok good the grey threw me a bit.
Yeah....I can't do that...I'm just starting to learn to paint and acrylics are hard enough.
Oils are actually easier and more forgiving, there’s just far less content on how to use them.
When you’re blending, are you using a brush dampened with your spirits, or is the brush completely dry? I’m an acrylic painter, but I’m really interested in oil painting. Also, do you use a varnish after your done to set the paints, if you intend to game with the models?
I use a clean and dry brush for blending. It should be a soft one, as well. Varnish is great because of how satin the oil paints dry, but also for protecting the paintjob depending on your needs :)
@@Watchpaintdry_minis thank you very much for the info. Really dig your work!
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One thing I notice, in this video only, as I have yet to watch any others, is that your painting is very stylised, even cartoonish. Many miniature painters paint this way, and its use can depend on the final purpose one has for the miniature; display, gaming, competition, etc. I do not have a problem with this, however, as a long time wargamer in many genres, I much prefer, in general, the realistic look for miniatures. That is, the accurate depictions of material based lighting and textures - as in the Historical area of wargaming/military simulation - well, at least for the most part we do not see many stylised painting schemes.
Maybe this is something you could discuss, if you haven't already - or better yet, present a similar video in which you tackle oil painting in a realistic style.
Cheers.
I'd love to do something more realistic, and that will come for sure. I have an upcoming project that I think will be right up your alley.
The stylized/illustrative painting style is a lot of fun to me. Some projects are more colorful and some are more desaturated.
For this project I wanted something that was different and would stand out on the gaming table.
I'm glad you like the channel, and i'll keep you're request in mind.
Amazing! For clarification: you don't prime your miniatures with acrylics before using oils? You go straight from the raw figure to oils? That would be huge for me. I HATE priming.
It depends on the finish of the primer. A matte primer like army painter can take the oils just fine without acrylics. A satin one like GW not so much. Glad you like the video
@@Watchpaintdry_minis thank you! In this video it seemed that you didn't even use primer but just washed the plain plastic. Am I mistaken?
I did prime. I just used a grey primer
@@Watchpaintdry_minis aaaah, I see. Thank you so much for clarifying!
My painting space is in my bedroom and that’s all I have what’s the solution for the smell?
You can use odorless mineral spirits. They are a bit more expensive, but you only use very little in my experience
It's possible to aply wash oil on miniatures without primer ?
I don't think that would work very well. The paint needs a matt surface to latch on to.
I struggle painting with oils especially because I didn t get it to dry in acceptable time.
It seems that your oils are drying really quick. Do you have Tips too Enhancer the dringlich time?
Try adding some liquin from winsor and newton
Okay I need to buy your recommended start palette now I’ve been working so hard to find a style I like for some slaanesh units and I realize now you just can’t do what I wanna do well with acrylics and oil would be better
Nice recommandations. ❤ is there a particular magenta you use?
Get some high quality Quinacridone Magenta is my recommendation. But I will have more content on this coming out in the future.
How low did it take to complete one of these Models without drying time?
Painted each model in about 1 hour
What kind of primer and varnish do you use for oil paints?
Here I've used army painter rattle can primer (grey) and a mix of AK satin and AK ultra matte varnish (4:1) through the airbrush once the paint has dried.
Is there a type of brush or specific quality you want in a blending brush?
I use old kolinsky brushes that lost their tip from painting with acrylics. That works very well
@@Watchpaintdry_minisis there a trick to controlling the gloss? Mine is super glossy. Will varnish it after but is a bit hard to work with.
It's really cool.
I've tried oils a bit.
It's much harder than TH-camrs make it look.
I think if it like airbrushing. It's a whole new skill.
Do you prime the models beforehand? Or straight on with the pre wash?
Yes, the models are primed before the preglaze. Thanks for watching!
Was the mini primed grey or you literally pre-glazed over the plastic?
primed gray - make sure youre using a matt primer though.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis Cool, thank you!
Painting miniatures with oil paints can be quite costly, but the investment is undoubtedly worth it. When it comes to choosing a medium for painting miniatures, oil paints reign supreme. Their results are unparalleled, far surpassing the outcomes achieved with standard acrylic paints. Once you have honed your skills with oil paints, there is simply no going back. Believe me, as someone who adores working with oil paints, the ability to seamlessly blend colors is truly remarkable.
It’s no more expensive than acrylics. I have a massive amount of acrylic paints.
I use acrylics but I use heavy body acrylics as their better and easier to use than standard bottle acrylics
They're also very good!
@@Watchpaintdry_minis plus much easier to create your own custom colors to your own liking than settling for what comes in a bottle...another thing is that bottle colors are not a bright as heavy body paints
I really wished some TH-camr would show alternative techniques with oil some day. The “Wappel” style does look great, and I’m sure it’s creatively fulfilling, but it also leads to models that can be difficult to read and textures that are too smooth. In classical painting, oils can be used for much more precise techniques and solvents are not the main medium to fluidity the paint, I really wished one day someone would explore different avenues better adapted to more detailed models.
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This may seem a stupid question: but did you undercoat with acrylics or go straight for the oil glaze?
But it does it does look great.
No such thing as a stupid question my friend! The models are primed with areosol can primer and then straight to oil glaze.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis Thanks for the answer, I appreciate your response, it helps me greatly.
What are some oil paint brands you recommend for miniatures?
Schmincke mussini, old holland, Williamsburg, gamblin are all good products in my experience
Did you undercoat the models first or paint directly on the plastic?
The models do have a layer of grey primer before the pre glaze.
Thank you!
Where are you going to get worn out kolinsky brushes if you're not using acrylics? :)
Haha fair point. I still paint with the acrylics. So i have a steady supply coming in. Thanks for the comment!
Amazing
Good video
Forget oil paints and toxic solvents - use water soluble oils. All the benefits, with a soap and water cleanup.
wouldn't you want cmyk colors instead of ultramarine and red?
Historically painters have used RGB and there's just so many more variations of these colors in the market. If you want to use magenta pick up a quinacridone magenta, cobalt turqouise and any bright yellow such as cadmium lemon or yellow bright. I'll speak more about this in an upcoming video on all things color theory related.
@@Watchpaintdry_ministhanks for the reply. I'm just getting back into the hobby and started diving into color theory, so I'm pretty excited to hear you say cadmium lemon because it means I had the right idea!
Stelling eller Creas?
Stelling!
Promising channel subscribed
thanks. there's more to come!
Oils are great for washes but it’s just too time consuming when you are painting 100+ models with oil paint.
Honestly for me it might be quicker. But then again, i've never painted that many in a short period of time. I think it all depends on what we are most comfortable with.
Non toxic oil paints?
Why isn't everyone using Oil paint? I mean, I think you answered the question with the cash register noise just before. Picking up one color of artist grade oil paint is a much bigger investment than an acrylic miniature paint, and anything less than artist-grade will leave you with some grittiness to your paintjob, limiting you to washes and grimdark paintjobs. Even made-for-purpose miniature oil paints like Abteilung are both expensive and on the lower end of Artist Grade quality.
With that said, I highly recommend experimenting with oils. Even a $15 set of cheapo 1oz no-name oil paints will work for weathering, where the chunky pigments don't matter or enhance the effect.
Thanks for the comment. Honestly I think a bigger factor is the fact that companies arent marketing oil paints to miniature painters. So even the professional painters are used to painting in acrylics. But yes, the oils are expensive but so is Kimera (65 euro) and those sell out faster than they can be produced most often. It's also my impression that the majority of paintes really enjoy buying new paints.
So I think the oils will be making a comeback and we're allready seeing 'miniature paints' in oil from Abteliung. Maybe this will be the next trend after speed/contrast paints. Thanks for watching the video.
@@Watchpaintdry_minis No problem! I definitely agree that oils are coming back in a big way. And yeah, kimeras sell out, but they're also in small runs. I think if you polled folks, you'd find a lot more actively using some form of oil paint than any kimera paints. And even then, a single pot of kimera paint is only $7, much less than a tube of high quality oil paint. Most painters don't really think of their paints as an exhaustable resource, because you just don't go through them that fast. That initial sticker shock is rough. I've been debating back and forth with myself if it's worth it to pick up a tube of Williamsburg Egyptian Violet for around a year now.
But you really only need to buy 12 colours plus maybe a medium. I've always thought that those hundreds of little bottles of acrylics you see on other painters' shelves to be such nonsense.
In the old days oils (and enamels) are what absolutely everyone used.
I'm one of those ppl who like to buy paints. Why? Mixing colour from primary and secondary colours is rather tedious for me, and since I'm a novice at colour theory, oftentimes I don't get it right. Yes I understand the more I practice the more I will become proficient at it. But after only working with a limited palette of 20 paints in my first 2 yrs of painting, I felt I had enough. So while painting with oil seems to have many advantages (and looks freaking awesome), working with just a handful of paints is severely limiting for a novice-intermediate painter such as myself.
True, though a lot of that comes from the pervasive sentiment that if you drop into a hobby shop, you should buy something. Usually, the cheapest thing you're likely to want is going to be a single bottle or pot of paint. The people who go out and just buy an entire line of paints also probably have some oils in their collection as well.@@HO-bndk
Im surprised anyone would find oil painting hard or time consuming. I mean, Bob Ross showed the world 30 years ago how easy and fast it is.
More than anything I think it's the lack of information on how to use them in a miniature setting. Thanks for watching!
Abteiling 502 oils are specifically made for painting miniatures and are amazing In my opinion but oils in general have helped me progress and also highly recommend
Abteilung can barely be considered student grade, at least get some winsor
Well, maybe oils are great... but I see a bunch of skill on display here. Just sayin'. My oil washes don't work out like how I want. Let alone full-on painting. 😢 beautiful work tho. I'll try again. You inspired me... or tricked me. Haha.
finally a kin soul =D
Kinda think that none of the misconceptions are not really misconceptions.
>expensive
Not beyond first glance and many people buy tens-hundreds of acrylic paints anyway, which is not required with artist grade paint
>take ages to dry
Drying within a day or two is considered "ages" compared to mini paints. I don't think this is really a problem but it is orders of magnitudes longer than acrylic.
>Difficult to use
Really, oils are wheeled out on warhammer youtube quite often as a quick way to wash or panel line. A number of these have also made "smooth blends" tutorials. No, I don't think there is a misconception that oils are "hard", its mostly that oils are simply not considered at all, and when they are it is not for doing the heavy lifting part of painting.
If there is a difficulty to use it is paint mixing/mixing theory as mini painters in general use horrible sausage paint that doesn't mix well so it needs to be learned from scratch
Fair point, and i'd agree with price not being a big factor for most painters. However with the drying time I think it's important to realize that the slow drying time is exactely what makes the oils usefull. We just have to change our approach from layering into wet-on-wet painting.
I think that people find oils difficult since they require some knowledge of color mixing and this is exactely what makes them a good tool to progress your painting. Since finding that freedom from recipies makes painting more free, creative and fun.
While misconceptions are maybe not the most accurate wording I do think that the idea works for communicating the information to the viewer in a quicker manner than pondering too deeply over why oil paints arent more popular for the heavy lifting as you say.
Thanks for watching the video and for your input. I appreciate it!
horrible sausage paint 🤣
Gotta make sure your ventilation is up to snuff or wear a respirator and keep family/pets out of your space when working with this stuff. A great tool, just keep safety top priority.
Respirator? Nonsense. Ventilation yes but respirator? Are you leaving the jar of spirits open???? Not even oil painters leave the jar sitting out unsealed.
@jasoncarpenter5974 I said "or." If your ventilation isn't great, then you're just aspirating the fumes without some other mitigation. Considering this video recommends oils as the primary media for the hobby, prolonged exposure will cause serious harm to your lungs. Plenty of artists with poorly ventilated studios have found that out.
Lmao reddit
Maybe if you are spraying it through an air brush.
Get odourless spirits
ONE DAY OF DRYING? no..... Stop that's a big problem no.
If it's not for you then that's totally fair. But i want to remind you that the painting you see in the video is done in one layer, spending 1-2 hours on each model. So it's not the same layering method as you'll see when working with acrylics. So, in my opinion the drying time is not that big of an issue
You'll be wet blending though, so you have no need for layer > dry > layer.
I was doing oils only miniatures for a little while but I kind of sucked at it. I could never understand the timing of painting with oils. how long to allow oils to set before moving to the next step. Sometimes I would apply a paint on a area, work on it with a highlight and rub off the top layer exposing the primer underneath. Also my skills were not that good. Like if I looked up a tutorial on how to paint a display quality skin, for example, I would want to follow the steps in acrylic on how to paint any object but the oils tutorials most people paint all over the mini with seeming the same color before going back to that spot of interest with a different color. It's the ADHD of mini painting. This put me at a disadvantage because I want to watch a video on how to do a higher level skin techniques, or any technique for that matter, which they used acrylics and I am using the medium of oils, it always caused a mess and work I was never happy with. Also the fine texture was hard to pull off with oils compared to oils, it is easy to grab a color and do crosshatching, stippling, or micro scratching but oils would want to blend rather than apply the texture. Sorry for the rant. I painted some ok stuff with oils, even better when I mixed oils and acrylics. Also preglazing with the Egyptian Violet , is a bad idea, I've had to strip miniatures many times because of that color is way too strong as a stain color.
Oils have some learning curve, true. The texturing is not as easy to do either. But i'm happy to use oils for what they're good at, and acrylics for what they're good at, instead of fighting the medium, embrace it.
I don't know that i agree with your assesment of egyptian violet for the pre-glaze. It depends on the scheme you're working and alternatively you can mix the color with something like burnt umber to reduce its staining power. You can also thin it further with the dilutent to reduce its impact. Thanks for watching and chiming in