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Yeah, Mckinely has been in the Sol System since the game launched. It's very high up in the map. An easy way to find it is to find Alaska on Earth, Mckinely should be near by (though obviously that's changing sometime in the future.).
@@SaintDaisley Yeah... making the Shipyard off-planet, while logistically makes sense, was a BAD idea from a gameplay perspective. For a mostly militaristic species, their organization is really crap.
TLDR: I dislike the ESD design as it currently is on Tribble. It appears to be a step backwards both in scale and in-universe design. The station is a solid design for a smaller star base, but inadequate to be ESD. A hybrid of the live and test designs might make more sense as a technological step forward. Earth on Tribble currently looks too brown, but I love that it is planned to rotate. Hopefully they can fix the colors on it and if so, it should be amazing. *** So, Earth doesn't really match what we've seen in the shows or current IRL pictures. I's too brown :( It looks more like a slightly terraformed Mars, or Vulcan, maybe. I like that they've got it rotating though. That's a nice touch. If they can fix the color design, chef's kiss. As for ESD, I'm really not digging it. I'm probably in the minority but I didn't watch Picard so I have no emotional attachment to that design. It is clearly Trek, and a solid Federation design, but feels a step backwards from our current ESD. It's WAY too small compared to the current ESD. It feels like it's 1/3 to 1/2 the size it should be, compared to what we have now. The scale I think is what makes it feel like a step backwards. For example, it's about half (maybe less) the vertical length of the live ESD, and the docking bay doors are smaller. It's more... stubby than current ESD, so I think that is throwing me off as well. In STO cannon, the events of Picard S3 (as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong) happened before our current time in 2411. Since the undine destroyed ESD, and we just rebuilt it with the live version in the beginning of 2410, it seems odd to go back to a design that predates our current ESD, as well as the previous STO launch version, and call that the "new" ESD. TBH, what I'd like to see is more of a hybrid of what's on Tribble merged with our current ESD. Keep the live scale, and add on the outrigger pods and more greebles. Maybe change the color palate/skin of the station to match the current Odyssey 7a material? They've got the grey down pretty well, but could add the black armor sections as well. This could show an upgrade in the stations hull plating/armor and be a touchstone to the current generation of ships in STO. I really do like the cool blue grey of ESD on live though... I may be a grumpy old man who's set in his ways, but I loved the ESD revamp we got when the Undine destroyed the original version. Likewise, when the Odyssey won the design the next Enterprise contest, I wasn't a fan of the concept art that Adam Ihle delivered, but I fell in love with the Odyssey when I saw the finished design, and that helped me understand the concept art better. It's not like I am close minded about new designs. I mostly dislike what's currently on tribble because the scale feels far too small compared to the live server, and it feels like a step backwards in design, both in-universe and in relation to the current design. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you made it this far, thanks for reading my long winded rambling. 😅
I was wondering if this change was coming. STO's been feeling a bit alternate universe since Picard, what with the Enterprise F still kicking around and all, so it's interesting to see how far they'll try and realign the game to the prime timeline. I'm gonna miss the old ESD though. It's an icon of the franchise, which is why it got swapped in from the first model in the first place, but at least it had a heck of a run.
Meh I like the old one.... Naw for real when they get it updated and textures all together its gonna look amazing. Earth looks wonderful too. I mean it is about time for an update and it kinda falls in line now with the picard timeline.
Funny thing to note, when you break outside the ground ESD, you can actually see a random Typhoon class just hanging around, out of view. I'm really happy this is happening, although this does open up the possibility of maybe Qonos or New Romulus getting revamped?
I wish they'd update Drozana station, especially the interiors. With so many locations, including most ship interiors, basically stuck in 2010 I feel as though time and resources could be better spent.
I don't really like Probert station.... Didn't like it in Picard S3 either... It feels like a step backwards in design aesthetic and design era as the original ESD from Search for Spock just has a more flowing, ellegant design. This is supposed to be a Post TNG/DS9/VOY facility, and it just feels like more of the same old, just repackaged and super-sized... Its like they took the original ESD, resized and distorted the components and added bits on just to say it's a bigger model... The angle of the main docking saucer really grinds my gears from an aesthetic sense... Make it bigger and wider, but don't increase the angle like that. Then there's the totally un-connected, floating rings, particularly where the outrigger arms extend from that do not merge with the main structure. The textures also don't seem to be the appropriate scale to the intended size of the facility. This is just, Meh.... Starfleet's designs are supposed to be more artistic.... It reminds me of the Immense-class fan design starbase, which is god-awful. Everytime I see it, I throw up a little in the back of my throat.. It seems lazy design work. Not on the STO team's part, they're just porting it from Picard, but rather on the Picards S3 design team. I understand budget and time constraints required compromises like this. I really liked S3, but this design offended my aesthetic sense... I would have preferred a STO 2409 type starbase styling, like from the Starbase 24 design family in STO, or even the fleet starbase design, but in the basic ESD configuration upscaled and uprezzed, proportionally bigger main saucer, maybe even a second smaller docking saucer and then they could have added on the arms with mini-docking sacuers (whatever architectural term would apply to the arms and modules, not sure). Make it something that feels like an evolution instead of a kitbash! Which would look era appropriate for the end of the 24th, beginning of the 25th century. Not a call back to the 23rd Century from TMP... ... And that's kind of a rehash of my thoughts that can also apply to the re-imagined Titan. -sigh- I really wish we had gotten to see Riker's Luna-class USS Titan, or a refit of it... Instead of slight retool of the Shangri La....
I want to say that while the new Earth model will take some getting used to - mainly because it isn't as bright blue as I imagine it in my mind - the actual textures and cloud details are just phenomenal. But more importantly, my jaw dropped seeing the new ESD. It looks gorgeous and will look even better once it's surrounded by ships. Seeing the Sagan in the interior too almost made me want to cry, it warmed my heart so much seeing her get the spotlight a little bit. I obviously don't know when this is going up, but the fact that they've put so much work into these recent remasters makes me really hopeful for the future of the game ☺
Is the interior still the 1/4 saucer type thing as the current ESD? Or did they go back to the old full saucer level like, I dunno how many years ago? Haven't been on the test server in years.
I would like to see them advance the Romulan systems infrastructure some. Give them a proper city and not a construction site to congregate in. Maybe some stations or shipyards in orbit.
It feels like a step backwards in evolution. I mean we fought a decisive battle for the sol system and now it feels like the current ESD is being scrapped. I like the TOS elements of the Picard version, but at least give us a story as to why ESD had to renovate again.
new exterior looks great. I get why they only change minor details for the interior. too many missions involved with the ESD map i guess The question is if it's only ESD that changed or are there changes (planed) for the academy as well? obviously I'm not expecting you to know the answer to that
The original ESD is not Starbase 24. The exterior was completely different (original ESD's model was never reused outside the Foundry). Elements of the interior were used, but that's just because that's how environment kits works, it's the same reason why the Enterprise-F's interior looks similar to the Jupiter Station interior, its a kit that was designed to be modular.
I loved the TNG / DS9 / VOY aesthetics. Those series were always optimistic, showed what humanity could be, and was always uplifting. Picard and Discovery seemed so dark and hopeless for our future, I just would like to keep the space station from the Shatner movies, from TNG and that era. Please don't update it, at least externally.
That's alot of missions they'll have to edit just to add this station, I still prefer the spacedock starbase and it shall be missed though the new earth design looks perfect
The outrigger modules make it look too dumpy now. it need to be a lot longer, to balance out the outriggers. Not that this will happens. As they HAVE to copy Picard. As out ESD has been smashed at least twice, Would could have a different design...but we wont.
Pffffff Current is 100000000 times better. This Station w Gonna remind me tha they f**** Oddysy class and hole Star Trek franchise. Good TNG space dock period. Also 100$ that when they releas it would be so badly optimised so for next week everyone had to transfer to DS9
Hmm dont know what to think, looks good but i like the original Spacedock. Any way i think they could spend more time on fixing bugs etc. and not on this :)
Why are they ruining ESD??? Stu you are forgetting that STO timeline is different to that of Picard so why on earth they would push for this monstrousity ? I love ESD the way it is now.
Updated visual.. appreciated but superficial. Hope they would fix the convoluted unreliable combat UI on Xbox, instead of looks. Spending most my time figuring what's not recognized, usually half my consoles & abilities doesn't trigger in tfo. It's getting annoyingly frustrating in pug elite, like Korfez.. And yes, regardless countless times I try to minimize this issue, it's on any toon, any built or any ships.
Eh, more stuff to have to load. Cant say Id want this, Id rather have simple visual updates. Maybe banners? some other mini stations off somewhere you can go fly to. I really dont like a huge "visual" redesign like this, I simply just really dislike "visual" areas. Most of ESD is obviously not accessible, itd clearly require way more processing and programing and lotsa stuff. However just adding more .......things that you never would get to see inside of? Just lame imo, Id want to go explore it. It would be neat if they did something with the extenstion....pod saucer whatevers, to allow players to go to them. Maybe as like event HQ areas like how Q has winter wonderland n summer has Risa. A neat little alternate launching area for RA events n such that could have maps n holograms or something pertaining to the event its linked to.
Enviroment Artist Nick Duguid said on BlueSky that while it would technically be possible, as the old ESD model does still exist in the files, they don't currently have any plans to add the Athan Prime museum.
I don't like it! , it looks shitty like the Picard show was; I'm glad that show finished all it did a rehash of some Star Trek movies it's not brilliant it's very lazy and the Star base it's just a copy of Star Trek Timeline and variations discovery star base again not brilliant but very lazy!!
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It's like a mix of the old ESD and K-7 in a way.
I WISH they'd update K-7, that place needs some TLC.
I kinda wish they'd use K7 as 23RD starfleet home, instead of ESD.
I was today years old when i found it we have a Mckinley station at earth (I've been playing this game since 2017)
Yeah, Mckinely has been in the Sol System since the game launched. It's very high up in the map. An easy way to find it is to find Alaska on Earth, Mckinely should be near by (though obviously that's changing sometime in the future.).
I think they should update the captain's table to.
You know... since they're revamping the Sol Map, Earth, and ESD, I wonder if they're also revamping Starfleet Academy?
Forget the Academy, what about the absolute craphole that is Qo'nos? The real grind in STO is just managing your ships and crew as a Klingon.
@@SaintDaisley Yeah... making the Shipyard off-planet, while logistically makes sense, was a BAD idea from a gameplay perspective. For a mostly militaristic species, their organization is really crap.
TLDR: I dislike the ESD design as it currently is on Tribble. It appears to be a step backwards both in scale and in-universe design. The station is a solid design for a smaller star base, but inadequate to be ESD. A hybrid of the live and test designs might make more sense as a technological step forward.
Earth on Tribble currently looks too brown, but I love that it is planned to rotate. Hopefully they can fix the colors on it and if so, it should be amazing.
***
So, Earth doesn't really match what we've seen in the shows or current IRL pictures. I's too brown :( It looks more like a slightly terraformed Mars, or Vulcan, maybe. I like that they've got it rotating though. That's a nice touch. If they can fix the color design, chef's kiss.
As for ESD, I'm really not digging it. I'm probably in the minority but I didn't watch Picard so I have no emotional attachment to that design. It is clearly Trek, and a solid Federation design, but feels a step backwards from our current ESD. It's WAY too small compared to the current ESD. It feels like it's 1/3 to 1/2 the size it should be, compared to what we have now. The scale I think is what makes it feel like a step backwards. For example, it's about half (maybe less) the vertical length of the live ESD, and the docking bay doors are smaller. It's more... stubby than current ESD, so I think that is throwing me off as well. In STO cannon, the events of Picard S3 (as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong) happened before our current time in 2411. Since the undine destroyed ESD, and we just rebuilt it with the live version in the beginning of 2410, it seems odd to go back to a design that predates our current ESD, as well as the previous STO launch version, and call that the "new" ESD. TBH, what I'd like to see is more of a hybrid of what's on Tribble merged with our current ESD. Keep the live scale, and add on the outrigger pods and more greebles. Maybe change the color palate/skin of the station to match the current Odyssey 7a material? They've got the grey down pretty well, but could add the black armor sections as well. This could show an upgrade in the stations hull plating/armor and be a touchstone to the current generation of ships in STO. I really do like the cool blue grey of ESD on live though...
I may be a grumpy old man who's set in his ways, but I loved the ESD revamp we got when the Undine destroyed the original version. Likewise, when the Odyssey won the design the next Enterprise contest, I wasn't a fan of the concept art that Adam Ihle delivered, but I fell in love with the Odyssey when I saw the finished design, and that helped me understand the concept art better. It's not like I am close minded about new designs. I mostly dislike what's currently on tribble because the scale feels far too small compared to the live server, and it feels like a step backwards in design, both in-universe and in relation to the current design.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you made it this far, thanks for reading my long winded rambling. 😅
I'm digging it. Interesting how ESD was updated 10 years prior as well.
I was wondering if this change was coming. STO's been feeling a bit alternate universe since Picard, what with the Enterprise F still kicking around and all, so it's interesting to see how far they'll try and realign the game to the prime timeline.
I'm gonna miss the old ESD though. It's an icon of the franchise, which is why it got swapped in from the first model in the first place, but at least it had a heck of a run.
I am mixed on this i think I prefer the old one but it will just take some time to get ues to the new one
That's fair. I can understand why some would prefer the more basic design of the original ESD.
Meh I like the old one.... Naw for real when they get it updated and textures all together its gonna look amazing. Earth looks wonderful too. I mean it is about time for an update and it kinda falls in line now with the picard timeline.
Funny thing to note, when you break outside the ground ESD, you can actually see a random Typhoon class just hanging around, out of view.
I'm really happy this is happening, although this does open up the possibility of maybe Qonos or New Romulus getting revamped?
I wish they'd update Drozana station, especially the interiors. With so many locations, including most ship interiors, basically stuck in 2010 I feel as though time and resources could be better spent.
I don't really like Probert station.... Didn't like it in Picard S3 either...
It feels like a step backwards in design aesthetic and design era as the original ESD from Search for Spock just has a more flowing, ellegant design. This is supposed to be a Post TNG/DS9/VOY facility, and it just feels like more of the same old, just repackaged and super-sized... Its like they took the original ESD, resized and distorted the components and added bits on just to say it's a bigger model... The angle of the main docking saucer really grinds my gears from an aesthetic sense... Make it bigger and wider, but don't increase the angle like that. Then there's the totally un-connected, floating rings, particularly where the outrigger arms extend from that do not merge with the main structure. The textures also don't seem to be the appropriate scale to the intended size of the facility.
This is just, Meh.... Starfleet's designs are supposed to be more artistic.... It reminds me of the Immense-class fan design starbase, which is god-awful. Everytime I see it, I throw up a little in the back of my throat..
It seems lazy design work. Not on the STO team's part, they're just porting it from Picard, but rather on the Picards S3 design team. I understand budget and time constraints required compromises like this. I really liked S3, but this design offended my aesthetic sense... I would have preferred a STO 2409 type starbase styling, like from the Starbase 24 design family in STO, or even the fleet starbase design, but in the basic ESD configuration upscaled and uprezzed, proportionally bigger main saucer, maybe even a second smaller docking saucer and then they could have added on the arms with mini-docking sacuers (whatever architectural term would apply to the arms and modules, not sure). Make it something that feels like an evolution instead of a kitbash! Which would look era appropriate for the end of the 24th, beginning of the 25th century. Not a call back to the 23rd Century from TMP... ...
And that's kind of a rehash of my thoughts that can also apply to the re-imagined Titan. -sigh- I really wish we had gotten to see Riker's Luna-class USS Titan, or a refit of it... Instead of slight retool of the Shangri La....
It would be cool if there was a way, that if you choose to dock versus beam in….you could see it when you’re at the railing in the shipyard
I want to say that while the new Earth model will take some getting used to - mainly because it isn't as bright blue as I imagine it in my mind - the actual textures and cloud details are just phenomenal. But more importantly, my jaw dropped seeing the new ESD. It looks gorgeous and will look even better once it's surrounded by ships.
Seeing the Sagan in the interior too almost made me want to cry, it warmed my heart so much seeing her get the spotlight a little bit. I obviously don't know when this is going up, but the fact that they've put so much work into these recent remasters makes me really hopeful for the future of the game ☺
I *love love love* that you recreated the scene from PIC at time index 06:30!
I tried 😅
Is it just me or does it feel a bit small?
Is the interior still the 1/4 saucer type thing as the current ESD? Or did they go back to the old full saucer level like, I dunno how many years ago? Haven't been on the test server in years.
I would like to see them advance the Romulan systems infrastructure some. Give them a proper city and not a construction site to congregate in. Maybe some stations or shipyards in orbit.
It feels like a step backwards in evolution. I mean we fought a decisive battle for the sol system and now it feels like the current ESD is being scrapped.
I like the TOS elements of the Picard version, but at least give us a story as to why ESD had to renovate again.
I believe we may see it heavily damaged again like when undine attacked
Stu: look its that one scene from picard!
Meaning Enterprise-F reties also for Stu😢
never
new exterior looks great.
I get why they only change minor details for the interior. too many missions involved with the ESD map i guess
The question is if it's only ESD that changed or are there changes (planed) for the academy as well?
obviously I'm not expecting you to know the answer to that
I remember the original ESD is now SB24, down to the interior
The original ESD is not Starbase 24. The exterior was completely different (original ESD's model was never reused outside the Foundry). Elements of the interior were used, but that's just because that's how environment kits works, it's the same reason why the Enterprise-F's interior looks similar to the Jupiter Station interior, its a kit that was designed to be modular.
I was waiting to see if you'd do the scene from Picard :)
I still hope that they finally update the window model on the disco constitution class, so that we can get the window style from strange new worlds
the power creep is one thing but does anyone notice the revamping of graphics and maps actually impact game performance and system requirements?
I hope the Spacedock keep getting update hopefully more defense.
I loved the TNG / DS9 / VOY aesthetics. Those series were always optimistic, showed what humanity could be, and was always uplifting. Picard and Discovery seemed so dark and hopeless for our future, I just would like to keep the space station from the Shatner movies, from TNG and that era. Please don't update it, at least externally.
It's grey.
And I wonder if it’ll be updated for older missions featuring esd like the undine attack and Iconian attack etc hmm
I’m ok with the change
Does this mean they are moving the old ESD to be the fleet museum?
Hope they update K7 and Drozana
That's alot of missions they'll have to edit just to add this station, I still prefer the spacedock starbase and it shall be missed though the new earth design looks perfect
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Look`s great, wish it would be bigger thou ^-^
Wonder if they’ll update the captains table then?
The outrigger modules make it look too dumpy now. it need to be a lot longer, to balance out the outriggers. Not that this will happens. As they HAVE to copy Picard. As out ESD has been smashed at least twice, Would could have a different design...but we wont.
is it just me or does it look too small apart from that I like it but it just doesn't feel big enough for me but maybe I'm just a size queen
meanwhile Qo'noS and New Romulus still don't have the new Lifetime sub portal lol maybe could you ask Nick to fix that please?
Pffffff Current is 100000000 times better. This Station w
Gonna remind me tha they f**** Oddysy class and hole Star Trek franchise. Good TNG space dock period.
Also 100$ that when they releas it would be so badly optimised so for next week everyone had to transfer to DS9
Are the new external 'pods' visible from the inside map?
Not that I could see, but it is still technically a work in progress, so that could change by the time it hits the live server.
Hmm dont know what to think, looks good but i like the original Spacedock. Any way i think they could spend more time on fixing bugs etc. and not on this :)
Arriving on console 2026 😅
I doubt it'll be that long. My assumption is they'll probably want this thing to go live by the Anniversary event.
Temporal change imminent!
Why are they ruining ESD??? Stu you are forgetting that STO timeline is different to that of Picard so why on earth they would push for this monstrousity ? I love ESD the way it is now.
Updated visual.. appreciated but superficial.
Hope they would fix the convoluted unreliable combat UI on Xbox, instead of looks.
Spending most my time figuring what's not recognized, usually half my consoles & abilities doesn't trigger in tfo.
It's getting annoyingly frustrating in pug elite, like Korfez..
And yes, regardless countless times I try to minimize this issue, it's on any toon, any built or any ships.
Eh, more stuff to have to load. Cant say Id want this, Id rather have simple visual updates. Maybe banners? some other mini stations off somewhere you can go fly to. I really dont like a huge "visual" redesign like this, I simply just really dislike "visual" areas. Most of ESD is obviously not accessible, itd clearly require way more processing and programing and lotsa stuff. However just adding more .......things that you never would get to see inside of? Just lame imo, Id want to go explore it. It would be neat if they did something with the extenstion....pod saucer whatevers, to allow players to go to them. Maybe as like event HQ areas like how Q has winter wonderland n summer has Risa. A neat little alternate launching area for RA events n such that could have maps n holograms or something pertaining to the event its linked to.
Again? They should really put some efford into the other home worlds instead ESD over and over again.
Cool. Maybe we'll get and Athan Prime with the old version. ;)
Enviroment Artist Nick Duguid said on BlueSky that while it would technically be possible, as the old ESD model does still exist in the files, they don't currently have any plans to add the Athan Prime museum.
Either way the whole game needs updating to ps5 graphics.. Its just nice to somthing different 😅.
Heh, long over due update
That new spacedock looks a bit small. I'm not liking it so much. Maybe if it was larger it'll grow on me.
Needs ro be bigger
Yeah sorry unnecessary change (But Earth looks nice)
Don't like the Design,prefer the classic look
finally smth new....
No actual trek fans would not like it let alone Picard.
Only tourist will like it.
Ugh.
I think the new spackdock exterior looks really good
Oh god what an ugly monstrosity that "new" ESD is.
Looks like a mix between TMP and the old TOS deep space stations
@@LyntheWicker No, it looks like they stacked another ESD on top of ESD and just made the one on top wider. Really disappointing.
@rickvanboberson look at K-13. Tell me the outrigged pods aren't a similar design choice
@@LyntheWicker look at the stations they have in std and snw same thing. Over use of pods. K-13 at least looks nice and era appropriate
Ugh. ESD version 4, the worst of them all.
i found star trek Picard boring
I don't like it! , it looks shitty like the Picard show was; I'm glad that show finished all it did a rehash of some Star Trek movies it's not brilliant it's very lazy and the Star base it's just a copy of Star Trek Timeline and variations discovery star base again not brilliant but very lazy!!
That is fugly as hell!
It's as trash as the show itself!
This feels ordered by someone at CBS, not someone working on the game.
Probably to have a single continuity.
I mean, it's alright