New Midway trailer review. Please read description.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2019
- This my review of the second trailer to be released for the 2019 movie Midway. There was so much to unpack that I just hit the highlights.
I need to clarify something for the people who are excusing some of the deliberate errors. When dealing with practical effects such as using real vehicles a production gets a certain amount of artistic license. A good example is the 1970 movie Patton where, ironically, American made Patton tanks pose as German panzers. There simply were no actual German tanks left running. The movie was shot in Spain and the Spanish army had Patton tanks available. You do what you can with what you have. But when you are using CGI you have total control of the world you are creating. To start adding fictional capabilities is not only historically dishonest, it actually adds to the cost. CGI renders cost more with each feature you add. The producers are actually adding cost to make the movie less accurate. That is not "rivet counting", that is criticism worthy deliberate inaccuracy.
I also make a lot of assumptions because all the American carriers are Yorktown class so I am guessing on a few things such as the deck spots and areas of operation. I regret that I am not terribly impressed by the snippets of Harrelson's Nimitz thus far. There is one thing in particular that is grinding my gears and, well, there is no need to say here as I will make it very clear in the review. Judge for yourself but please keep it civil. - บันเทิง
B25s were spotted as they were brought aboard then tied down and launched from there.There was no spotting B25s at sea.Everyone wanted to see the patrol boats get shot up so they
were on deck,some were anyway.The hole in the deck of Yorktown5 was entirely too big!The bomb penetrated the flight deck,the hangar deck,glanced off the pursuers safe,penetrated the third deck and exploded in the rag locker setting it on fire and sent shrapnel everywhere.My father was in the bottom on the keel in the forward elevator pump room.They had to find there way out on there own after damage control gave up on them due to smoke and heat.Dad came out on the focastle only to find a red line through there compartment."We thought you were dead".He was told.Miss you everyday dad. R.I.P.
Let me clarity : By spotting the army bombers I did not mean a naval style deck spot (rearranging). The B-25s had to be spotted, one at a time, abeam the island for take off. They had to pull up to a 'start point' for take off. This is well demonstrated in '30 seconds over Tokyo'. That is why Hornet had that weird second white line on the deck. There was only 4 feet between the island and the wingtip which is why none of them, regardless of their place in line, were allowed full deck runs.
Your father is a hero and is just another reason why they called them the Greatest Generation!
@@maxsmodels yes,agreed thirty seconds was an excellent example.I thought about this movie when I answered.
I love the backstory on this historical battle. Hollywood once again has its head up its ass.
Brother, when it comes to historical accuracy, I feel your pain. I almost lost it in Red Tails when the protagonist went head to head with German antagonist, took a 30mm in the chest and was still breathing!
That was my biggest gripe also.
Lol
He just had a hole in his left artery...
Quantum Tunneling.
...instead of being splattered all over what was left of the cockpit, which is what happened in real life if a German 30mm round landed in that manner...
I agree with all your complaints about the trailer. Just one note though, in early Feb. 1942, the Enterprise was attacking the Marshall and not the Marianas islands when Gaido did his thing in the back of a SBD on the flight deck.
I stand corrected.
@sarah michel I've watched the documentary series Enterprise 360. :)
@@robertdendooven7258 this is where I heard of the story as well, and was stunned when I was watching the movie and it showed that. Then the critics out there lambasted the movie because "there were no kamikaze attacks in '42".... this is why critics suck. Especially on historical movies.
Just the other day I seen on TV a interview with one of the Pilots that did the Dive and his Dive Brakes were broken and did not open. He said he was in a 70 degree dive and knew it was to steep and his bomb would hit his Prop if he released it. He corrected his dive dropped his bomb hit the target and pulled out at just the (right) too low time of 1,500 feet. He knew he would then be a target for AAA guns the Japanese had but at that time they were few on the ships and very slower shooting ability and that is why he felt he made it out of that problem. Your review was spot on Thank You for your review.
As a retired Navy veteran (Submarines), I'm looking forward to seeing this movie. There are many battles I would like to see brought to the big screen, one in particular the battle of Leyte Gulf. A battle in which a small american task force (Taffy 3) manage to hold off a large japanese task force which included the Yamato, the world's largest battleship. It would be great to see that particular battle depicted on the big screen.
The sinking of the Bismarck would be another flim I would like to see also. Yes there's a movie that's been made but it would be nice to see it made again with today's movie technology.
What about Operation Jaywick, were a fishing boat takes on the japanese Navy...
At 5:08 the ship has B25's on the deck that did not exist until later in the war. The movie shows the B25E or newer model, but they should of had the earlier B25B model. The B25B planes had the top turret farther back on the fuselage, and had a different tail gun position. At least no real airplanes were harmed in the making of this movie.
Also, in the event of the Doolittle raid, they stripped the B-25s of most of their guns and "unneeded" equipment just so they could launch themselves off a Carrier
@@battleship6177 they still had guns..... ish. They were just replaced with wooden ones.
@@Sovek86 ok...... Now I have a question.... Whats the point of having wooden "guns"?
For the Doolittle raid, the belly turret of the B-25B had been dismantled and fake wooden machine guns were added in the tail (the dorsal turret kept its machine guns).
There was no "Marianas Campaign" in 1942. That would be the "Marshalls Raid", where the "Nell" clipped Bruno Gaido's SBD.
The Doolittle Raid B-25s were the early "B" version, yet the CG versions chosen are of a much later version (a "J"?) with the top turret forward and an actual rear gunners position/blister vice the broomsticks for machine guns seen on the "B". In addition there is some funky national insignia on the top of the wing seen later in the war while the fuselage is the period correct version.
Maxmodels' notes are so spot on I cannot say anything else than thank him for warning us about the apparent lack of professionalism and the disrespect of the movie's production to their audiences, expert or not. It's not about where the hardpoints were on the SBDs or what kind of drop bomb or torpedo configuration they could carry. It is the attempt to make a movie full of mistakes, while it is certain that knowledge experts might definitely watch it. And a huge deal of disrespect to the unsuspecting audience who will go to watch a movie where a fabricated history of how the war was fought will be shown instead of the truth.
The 1976 film will still be my goto.
Yep, those racks weren't on the aircraft. They probably went on some info site like Wikipedia and saw that the Devastator could carry three bombs and went for it. I believe they could only carry the 500 pounders in the bomb bay (just one) or two under the wing roots, not on non-existant hardpoints beyond the landing gear.
The antiaircraft artillery at Midway Atoll was formative. Between being spotted and the AA it should have been a clue there was no surprise
When Halsey viewed the death and destruction at Pearl Harbor for the first time he was outraged and was quoted as stating: "When I'm through them Japanese will be spoken only in hell".
I was excited.... now Im starting to worry a lot...
i'll play devils advocate: the dive to ensure the hit on one carrier was in fact done on several occasions where the men barely pulled out of their drop. obviously this is holly wood so they'll show them at 50feet up instead of a more realistic 200-300 feet up.
the 500lb bombs, it just looks nicer honestly. not stressing it.
the ships so close: high angle photography. its just how it looks
the torpedo right at the carrier moving: we missed every torpedo shot in that battle and this one obviously misses too.. so they're historically accurate
the low flying attack on midway island... if you show the attack only at high altitude it would make a boring movie. it doesn't hurt my brain to go 'ok they were 300-500 feet higher than pictured here'
the acting: a different story. wood harrelsons character worries me.
still looks like it'll be the best midway film made so far.
Oh well as the son of a Naval fighter pilot of WWII (Sundowners VF-11 WWII, Korea, etc), I was hoping for less hollywood and more accuracy. I thought wow they are making a movie again about this great battle! My dad was actually at NAS North Island on his way to Pearl for reinforcement in case Midway extended, but records are scarce during that time. Then in August he became part of VF-11 in 42. Good review and some good catches. What should not be forgotten is all of those brave guys who gave their all and never returned home. Dad (Commander John W Ramsey, US Navy 1941-1964) having excaped death multiple times and having shot down multiple planes himself, took no glory in it but said when in battle it was like hell on earth.
Love this review.. perfect for history geeks everywhere. I DO think that Woody looks more like Nimitz than one might think, lots will depend on the writing.. but given the computer generated errors, one cannot believe the writing will be that much better... we'll see !
As a retired USN vet, every time I see a Hollywood version of life at sea, I cringe. Clueless, hokey, corny.
This sounds almost as bad as the movie Annapolis. That was horrific.
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Anytime you see a movie replicating something the viewer actually knows something about the errors will be just stunning! As a kid I loved to watch war movies but after I enlisted and spent time in Nam I know I will never see anything that comes remotely close to accuracy.
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An example in the movie "Annapolis": Donnie Walburgh says something like, " I'm only a Lieutenant, what do I know?" . During the whole flick, he's wearing 2.5 stripes---Lt Commander dress blues and shoulder boards. Technical advisor ? I looked at the rolling credits a couple of times and I don't think I saw one. If these folks had spent 10 minutes at sea with the working Navy-------------------.
I am, unfortunately, feeling a Ben Affleckesque Pearl Harbor vibe from this. Hope not.
Just a vibe? I'm feeling the shakes out of this videogame touch that hit me when seeing those trailers!
Definitely not, just saw it yesterday
Glad to say I was wrong. Just saw the film and it is pretty good. A little skimpy on tactical details of the battle. It focuses completely on the Enterprise air group and ignores the damage control on Yorktown and subsequent mis-identification by the Japanese fliers, which I think was the biggest tactical event of the battle. Also leaves out the PBY operation that spotted the Japanese fleet, but gets the spirit of the story right. Most of the folks in the theater applauded at the end, that was nice to hear.
I really enjoy the critique of the movie. Had some good laughs.
Well this is what I think. It's a movie. How well it tells the story is what counts . On that note. I have had the honor of meeting men like George Gay. Met him at an airshow in Fresno Calif. My own Great Uncle Tony. Was Quad 40 gunner at Midway on the Yorktown. He had plenty to tell. What it was like a board ship before the battle afterwards. Like how he saw a guy who had enough and just went overboard. By the way. Midway was his baptism of fire.
You mean a Quad 1.1in/75 cal. (28mm) AA gun "Chicago Piano" she didn't have any 40mm mounts that early in the war. : )
Gay's story has been one of my favorites since I read the Walter Lord book when I was 12 years old.
Will it be mentioned in the film that Admiral Spruance's (that is, Halsey's) Chief of Staff, Captain Miles Browning, was comedian/actor Chevy Chase's grandfather?
There are several instances in The History Channels Dog Fights where pilots of SBD had to out gun, out run, and out maneuver Zeroes and that was one of the tactics.
The attack on Midway Atoll was one of the biggest mistakes the Japanese made that day. The Japanese commander in command of the bomber squadron insisted Midway needed a second strike and Admiral Nagumo agreed. In preparing for the second is when the Japanese were caught with their drawers down.
john mcdonald True but honestly, Midway could easily have gone either way. A complete roll of the dice on what to arm and launch next with little real idea of what the opponent was doing next. We Americans simply rolled better D 12 dice.
Its easy if you know where enemy attack, if you are able to read encrypted communication and enemy does not know. Americans carriers should not be there without information when and where Japanese attack.
@@teutonalex Wouldn't that be a D20?
I couldn't stop laughing when the two fictional bombs came up in the video
Now the japanese destroyer thats getting shot at was mostly a kagero or an asashio class either arashi, asashio, hagikaze, maikaze or other.
The blast of those shell near the destroyer was mostly a 12.7cm 50caliber type 3 with the C varient as the kagerou and asashio had them with the 2 hatsuharu having it too being the ariake and yugure, the 127mm type 3 CAN NOT shoot down aircraft as its elevation was poor and the fact it was slow traverse, it also could only fire type 0 HE round, type 3 IS round and if you dont know this round name is similar to the type 3 AA round aka beehive but those rounds were only attatched on 36cm 45 cal 41st year guns on the kongo to ise, 41cm 45 cal 3rd year on nagato and 46cm 45 type 94 gun on yamato.
As you can see those type 3 aa only use on battleships, now the japanese produce the 10.0cm 65 cal type 98 guns to combat for AA mostly used on the akizuki, fuyutsuki sub class of akizuki and sub class of hanatsuki of the akizuki.
But thats not all it was also attatched on the oyodo class light cruiser that was suppose to protect submarine which this idea was thought back before ww1, but was later obsolete as japanese navy were struggling.
The taiho also had these guns but had the open cask varient of it however there was no second model of this gun leaving it only model A and no B. These guns could NOT fire the type 3 IS shell only the type 0 HE shell but was very effective to thebpoint where it bypassed other nation 5 inch guns.
Another to point is that the TBD devestator attacking hiryu isnt as fully accurate as hiryu DID made high circular manouver along with the 3 japanese carrier when under fire, yes that scene is a HUGE flaw but this caught my attention of hiryu just moving in one line as it SHOULD be turning in a big circle mostly in the starboard side.
Another to point out is that akagi and the rest of the 3 carrier DID NOT have a full deck strike force on deck when mccusky squad dive bomb them, as the japanese carrier were still waiting for Lt. tomanaga strike force against midway to land back.
The bomb was able to pierce the deck because its AP another is that when the bomb hit the the 1sr hangar it triggered aviation fuel of the planes which lead to the 2nd hangar and if you dont know japanese carrier were closed deck which mewnt they had to split the hangar to 2 as it did not have a side elevator and yes this clip did show few zero landing which is true as the only plane that were on deck were mostly zero refueling.
And i hope they show the IJN Arashi spotted by mccusky as arashi tried to sink uss nautilus after uss nautilus failed to torpedo the kirishima that was in front of the main force, which later the arashi was sunk in 1943 after us radar ambush them leading 3 japanese destroyer sunk including arashi from the attack of the uss selfridge, uss o bennon and uss chevellar with only the ijn shigure captain by captain taimichi harah aka the miracle captain to only survive that battle.
And i hope the myth of most japanese ace pilot were killed in this battke isnt brought up as most of them died from attacking the uss yorktown which was sank later from i-168, most of the pilot were transferred to the shokaku and zuikaku after a major pilot loss in battle of coral sea, which is the reason why the japanese had enough ace pilot after midway in 1942 of battle santa cruz.
Those Japanese destroyers had AA platforms in front of their bridge...did IJN DDs have those prior to AA refits in 1944?
You also forgot to mention how they have the wrong model of B-25 for the doolittle raid. The top turret should be towards the back of the fuselage.
Also, the attack on the Akagi is wrong - it was only three planes. Due to a SNAFU, both squadrons of Enterprise dive-bombers went after the Kaga. Only Best and his wingmen held up in time and then managed to fly over and bomb the Akagi (by themselves).
Correct. I pointed that out in the first review.
Died laughing when they showed the underside and you said "no no no" 😆
My grandfather was on the USS Lexington CV2 during the battle of coral sea.
To those saying "relax, it's just a movie", the complaints here are NOT about changes required by the limitations of the medium. Always remember, authors and filmmakers, that the appeal of historical fiction over pure fiction is the power of the word "historical". This battle was real, and the consequences greatly affect us even today.
Adding extra bombs to the planes did not reduce CGI costs, and did not help compress events into the movie run time. The filmmakers simply thought it looked cooler, and would thus increase sales. We are trying to get the message across that historical accuracy enhances sales, in part because those who deeply care about history are your best chance to have a strong core of loyal fans.
Remember "The Martian"? They were scientifically accurate in most cases, and very open about the inaccuracies they introduced to meet the constraints of the medium. That's all we're asking for. Be accurate whenever possible, and openly list the exceptions. Most history fans will not only love it, we'll also try to get others to see your film, because one thing in common with most history buffs is that we wish more people would appreciate history.
Haha the second you froze that frame of the devestator I knew what you were going to say. I often tell people at airshows that it was obsolete when the war started, and even the Avenger design was started earlier than most people realize.
Do you think they'll include the 6 TBF's that launched that morning from Midway? Flying around in that bird today, I can't even imagine what it was like - it's a damn miracle that one of the aircraft was able to return. People think it was a bad plane, but I always tell them they were designed to perform a specific task, and if that task was to go head-first into a barrage of anti-aircraft fire.. then that's what they did. Unfortunately you can't really expect any plane to survive that type of punishment. :(
The makers of this movie ,were trying to make a kaleidoscope of picture, to draw viewer into the action !
But lost the details in the process !
Love the spot on review. At 11:09 the throttle quadrant is incorrect, looks to be an F6F Hellcat with a missing throttle gate.And why is the supercharger in low at that altitude? especially since the SBD's R-1820 cyclone wasn't supercharged...dooh!But yea the 500 pounders are a hoot.
There was one seen in this trailer at 1:53, that shows an aircraft carrier during the attack on Pearl Harbor. If I'm not mistaken, weren't there no aircraft carriers in port that day?
I missed that
That's the Enterprise steaming into port the day AFTER the Pearl Harbor attack. She was returning from delivering planes and Marines to Wake Island from several days back, and would have arrived in port by December 7 but foul weather intervened during the return passage from Wake.
As it was, on December 7, Enterprise sent several of their Scouting 6 Dauntless bombers on a routine combat air patrol to Pearl and environs - and the planes ran smack into the attacking Japanese planes. Pilot Clarence Earl Dickinson was on this patrol, and hopefully Emmerich and Wes Tooke preserved several choice words he apparently said into the script.
I hear your complaints, and, as someone who loves learning about history, appreciate tremendously the effort you take to educate us on the WWII facts of which us laymen have no knowledge. But, from a visceral standpoint, I just watched that 2nd trailer right before watching your video, and I was BLOWN AWAY. I spend a lot of time studying dance history, and am sure I would cringe just like you if I saw a movie that takes place in the 1800s and they were doing Swing dancing. That said, as solely a movie buff, if Midway gets most of the history mostly right, it's starting to look like THE war movie to see. But, keep up your good work because it's always good to know what is fact and what is fiction.
I know they have to have excitement and eye candy to sell tickets, (it is called show 'business' for a reason) but some of the stuff just perplexes me. When you play with our history, you need to keep a sharp eye towards the truth.
I agree with both of you. Some flashy stuff i would understand to put in to a movie like this, but there is no reason to put the 2-500lb bombs on the wings of the torpedo bomber. That did bother me too. I also said the plane would not be able to carry all that.
Wildcat Fighters were the first planes launched in the battle of midway, followed by the torpedo planes, and then the dive bombers, dive bombers are faster than the torpedo planes and can catch up, so they were the last to launch They were very accurate in that picture
It depends on which carrier, they did not all use the same technique. The Hornet, under CHAG Stanhope ring launched 20 Wildcats first, 10 for CAP and 10 for escort, then the SBDs. There are actually photos of this. The Wildcats wasted almost an hour of fuel circling while the rest of the group formed up as one pilot put it "Like we were on parade". The TBDs were then deck-spotted in two groups and launched. Yorktown did the type of running departure you are talking about. Not sure about enterprise.
I'd still love to see them bring one of these TBD's off the ocean floor and restore it. We have 0 Devastators anywhere(except those laying on the bottom of the ocean or lagoon) The Navy is TO DAM DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH when getting historical aircraft off the bottom. Back in the 90's we got close but the red tape artist in the Navy dept have ensured that the TBD off the coast in Miami will rot away instead of allowing future generations to see the historic aircraft. Go Navy! Stupid assholes.
If they were used for training, there might be some scattered on the bottom of Lake Michigan, where many pilots trained on the Wolverine -- and LOTS of old planes crashed. Might be easier to find there than in a deep ocean; and better preserved in fresh water.
@@DaveKraft1 I could be wrong but I do not think there are any at the bottom of the Great Lakes period from what little I could determine most of them ended up in Miami and the ones that 1 in the water when in to salt water. Regrettably the survivors were simply scrapped or at least that's what I read
All WW2 planes need to be recovered and restored now
@@DaveKraft1 salt water is not kind to aluminum DU !!!!
I Still Like 1976 Midway, It had Better Dialogue.
And a generally great musical score.
Touche'.
For the representation of Battle of Midway, I prefer episode n ° 3 of the old series "War and Remembrance" 1988-1989, because unlike the 1976 "Midway" (which mainly uses archive footage & extracts from films) you can see scenes reconstructed with real Dauntless SBDs: scene on the flight deck (with T-6s painted in "USN-1942" colors in the background), take-off & landing on a real carrier (an Essex class), real landing, flies in formation (with still the T-6 in the colors "USN-1942" in the background), deck scene and in flight with F4F (FM2) Wildcat. As for the TBD Devastator torpedo planes, they are simulated by the "Kate" of "Tora! Tora! Tora!" (replicas based on T-6 & BT-13) repainted in USN colors (with SBD & T-6 in the background). Of course, like the 1976 film, the TV movie also uses archive footage and extracts from films, but much less than in the other ... In this episode of "War and Remembrance" we even found a fight - simulated in real flight - between a real SBD and a replica of "Zero" (an old T-6M2 of "Tora! Tora! Tora!"). The bombing of Midway Island, on the other hand, is completely missed in this TV movie (worse than in the 1976 film) ... as is the destruction of Japanese planes on the flight deck of their aircraft carrier.
@@vautour2bvautour2b79 Touche'.
Joe Rochefort. he's the Navy cyrptologist who cracked the Japanese naval Code.
I believe he faked the Japanese out by saying a salt water condenser or something to that effect on Midway was malfunctioning. They later intercepted a transmit by the Japanese saying AF had that issue verifying what the Hawaii Cryptos thought that Midway was AF and the target.
Nimitz wanted to decorate Rochefort but King would not allow one man to wear the medal.A presidential unit could have tipped off the Japanese but very late war or afterwards would have been good.
The battle of midway is one of the great WW2 battles,and is one of the greatest comebacks in American history. Go USA 💪
Well done, love the frustrated voice inflection. This will be Pearl Harbor II. Does anyone have a higher expectation than that from Hollywood? You really shouldn't.
Your full of it Frank. They at least have Yorktown class aircraft carriers. Pearl Harbor used mothballed semi-modern ships as backdrops. Pearl Harbor also wasn't about Pearl Harbor. It was about two pilots. Midway seems to actually be about Midway from what it looks like. There is a strong argument just in the trailer its better, let alone what the actual full movie will bring.
Nato Norad your optimism is encouraging Nato. When I said Pearl Harbor II I meant it would likely be as cheesy. Hollywood doesn’t know how to make a fact based movie anymore. They’d rather squeeze in as much BS as possible. Did you see what I saw in this trailer? Putting those ships so close together and all those planes flaming in the same frame? That’s just in the trailer.
I’m a scale modeler and love to read about the PTO in WW2 I get that people like us want to have as accurate a representation as we can get. That’s why we argue about the cockpit color on Nakajima Zeros and what color the Vals were at PH. That said...
This is a movie for crying out loud! It was put together to make MONEY! It will not be 100% accurate. In order for the company to sell tickets they have to have a story that is interesting to as wide an audience as they can manage. I’m taking my wife to see it (and she is excited because she likes the trailer). I’m glad they made the movie, hopefully it will get more people interested in history and maybe they will read up on it!
The open scene carrier would be the USS Yorktown. If you note the MS12 paint scheme, sea blue too the hanger deck and medium grey on up. She was painted in this scheme while in the Atlantic (Neutrality Patrols) due to German U-boats.
Also note the life rafts under the island, the 8 20MM next to the island. Yorktown also carried 2 20 MM and 3 50 cals on the galley deck aft.
I know Hollywood will have their WTH moments in this movie, at least they have attempted to get the ships, planes some what correct.
A fellow named Gay did survive Torpedo 8's demise that fateful day.
This is out on DVD already?
Take it as an action movie ; ) (I even have no idea why the pilot shut his mixture intead of throttle)
because Hollywood
The SBD's had two prop blades early on, later in the war, 4 prop blades were installed... SBD Radio Gunner SSGT MAG32..AWM
The Dauntless predecessor the XBT-1 had a 2 bladed prop. The follow on BT-2 which became the SBD had a 3 blade prop. All variants of Dauntless from SBD to SBD-6 (the last mode) had 3 blade props. The Curtiss SB2C Helldiver had the four blade prop.
LOL I hear you Max, people like us (maybe I'm older 61) that always loved military history since we were "Youts" !
We actually read "Books" , tons of them on these histories and always see the Many issues and inaccuracies made by Hollywood !!
Lol But at least they made some films trying to praise our Vets, but it drives me nuts also !! : )
Im 17 and doing what you guys are doing. I love learning and reading about WWII history and hate it when people/film makers get it all wrong.
In the photo shown at 0:52 those are torpedo bombers (TBD) in the front row. Right though they get aircraft cgi model looking perfect then put bombs on it.
Excellent analysis.
fantastic video love your style
The aircraft carrier deck spotting critique is all wet. The TBD's launched first or right after the fighters because of their shorter range than the SBD's or Wildcats! Not sure but they launched the fighters first to get a CAP up and then the escorts would immediately follow the TBD's with the SBD's catching up. I read this some where, the book the Big E maybe.
lol....I would have never noticed until you pointed them out.
It almost appeared as if alot of the Devastators were shot down due to AA fire from the ships. Do I remember correctly that AA only accounted for perhaps 1 American aircraft, if even that? I know that the Japanese AA fire that early in the war was not very good at all, in fact the carriers preferred manuevering over relying on their own guns for protection. Nice analysis ! I'm going to assume that you loved Shattered Sword as much as I did.
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The trailer shows the dive bombers diving through hails of flak. In reality Japanese naval AA at this early stage of the war was very light. They depended upon air cover for protection.
Nice review.....saved me the price of the ticket. Thanks.
I feel you, but I'll go see it anyway, and then gripe about the fantasy part afterwards.
9:40 I think they were trying to base that scene off of what actually happened. One of the Devastators was trying to escape (or doing something else I forget but I do think it was trying to escape) and the Japanese were throwing shells at it so that the Zeros could see where it was and got catch it. The thing is though, there was no ship in the way.
Running away with his torpedo still attached.
Yeah that is true he had already released his torpedo
And the tbd was swerving left and right to dodge the shells not going straight
Then there are the two .30 cal M1919A4 ground machine guns for the tail gunner instead of the two cal .30 ANM2 Aircraft Guns that should have been there. But who would notice that?
One thing to note, Jimmy Dolittle did in fact give briefings and conduct training on the deck of the Hornet. Photographic evidence and Ted Lawson's book back that up.
Correct but the order to go came over the ship loudspeakers according to Ted Lawson
@@maxsmodels As I watched your review I did notice something which may reflect on someone else. Swede Vejtasa was a Dauntless pilot (I'm sure you know him, I assume) Who got into a a dogfight with a flight of Zeroes and knocked them down. His final maneuver was a hammerhead stall as depicted in the trailer. He wasn't at Midway. After the incident he transferred to fighters and flew FM-2s. That was his testimony on the show Dogfights - Long Odds.
My guess in true Hollywood fashion they will combine the Marshall island raids and the battle of Coral Sea into one conflict. Separate battles would be inefficient storytelling. And Roland E is not known to be a great historian (see the Patriot). Another thing is in everything I've read is that the torpedo bombers did not get real close to the main fleet. Kind of a good thing for Ensign Gay for if he had to ditch in the middle of the fleet, he probably would have captured or shot in water outright by the Japanese.
Gay did ditch in the middle of the feet. He hid under a set cushion to avoid detection. He was pointed out (his words) by the crew of a passing destroyer, and said if someone were on the deck that he knew, he would have recognized them! Anyhow, the dive bombers ruined any ideas of picking him up. All 3 TBD squadrons penetrated the outer screens and made some drops on carriers, albeit taking heavy losses. Gay actually dropped on Soryu and missed, and actually flew down the length of the flight deck to avoid the AA. He was finally picked off after he cleared the carrier and ditched right in the middle of the battle group. The only group that attacked that day that did not reach the carriers was the VMSB-241 group led by Major Norris using 11 Vought SB2U-3 Vindicators, they were overwhelmed and went for the battleship Haruna instead causing minor damage from a couple of near misses.
Some will say your criticism is too picky because it's a movie made to entertain. Maxmodels, I ENTIRELY agree with you, though. Having a few decent consultants handy could help avoid the mistakes you pointed out... at least the dumbest ones. I have longed for this re-telling for better than twenty years, and I'm now apprehensive that they might screw up just like the makers of Pearl Harbor did with historical inaccuracies. Yeah, many movie goers won't notice the problems and won't care, but some of us will. About Woody playing Adm. Chester Nimitz. When I heard this, my first thought was "Oh no they didn't!" See, Chester Nimitz was in fact a son of Fredericksburg, Texas, out in the beautiful Texas Hill Country. But Nimitz was no typical "aww shucks" guy from the sticks (as Hollywood typically pegs Texans from small towns). Nimitz was a smart, highly educated Navy man who knew his business and did not speak with a typical Texas country boy way. I pray they did not mess him up with Woody playing the part. In the Highway Men, Woody played the part of a lawman from an area of Texas not at all far from Fredercksburg, and played it well , but I hope he does not bring that same persona to Nimitz.
Regarding the use of CGI. The Japanese made movie ISOROKU (about Adm. Yamamoto) used CGI heavily and did a fine job reproducing what can today only be done with CGI. I hope Midway did the same.
I will go see the movie, but I now have my guard up.
A studio produced a big budget war movie with real people as the principal characters and is trying to depict the awesome scope and scale of one of the most important battles in history. We should be celebrating! Let's enjoy the ride.
Pearl Harbour.....
@@WarReport. Pearl Harbor didn't have actual historical figures as its main characters.
I agree but when you use real people you take on a debt to both their memories and to history.
There's being true to the memory of those who were there and then there's asking for a time machine to go back and capture everything exactly as it was. The latter isn't possible. For instance there was a post on here complaining that the B-25's depicted were b-25Js and that the Doolittle Raid used B-25Bs or some nonsense. I'm a huge ww2 buff and have done deep research on things and I can't tell you the difference and to the audience it doesn't matter because whether it was Bs or Js isn't important to the story. Or the bomb hole in the Yorktown. Someone said it's too big. Ok, well the audience can clearly tell the Carrier took some bad damage if you show them a big hole and it only took one second of screen time. Show them a little hole and they may not understand what it is, then you spend precious screen time on boring exposition about the bomb falling through the deck and exploding in the bottom rag locker.
Good evaluation.
Im feeling a pear harbor 2.0 at this point
The normal TBD offensive armament consisted of either a 1,935 lb (878 kg) Bliss-Leavitt Mark 13 aerial torpedo or a 1,000 lb (450 kg) bomb, to be carried semi-recessed into a fuselage bomb bay. Alternatively, three 500 lb (230 kg) general-purpose bombs (one under each wing root and one inside the bomb bay), or twelve 100 lb (45 kg) fragmentation bombs (six under each wing root), could be carried.
The only information I have been able to find shows the 500 pounders had to be carried under the fuselage with a special fairing attached (7:41). Two were mounted side by side and the third was in the recess to the rear. The integral wing racks were for 100 pounders. I cannot find a single reference to 500 pounders on the wings. If you found one please share because I would love to see it. I am only to happy to admit any errors I made but I know for a photo-factual certainty that they were there during the attacks on Kido Butai (mobile force) at Midway.
maxsmodels that was the normal armament I referred you to, The TBD’s that were launched during the Midway Battle were only carrying one 1000 pound torpedo, which was a piece of crap!
@@cowboyfan35 I misread where you said wing ROOT. The movie has them outboard of the wheels
@@maxsmodels I commend you on your knowledge Sir!
Greetings from Europe . The observations are 100% correct , it show that nowadays
military advisors on such motion pictures are made redundant or perhaps Mr Emmerich
wanted to to address the movie to his Stargate audience and the new Iphone generation
who may have never heard of Nimitz, Spruance, Nagumo , Kusuka,Kondo etc . Would like
to cite similar Hollywood's poor attention to detail such as on " Ad Astra " Pitt's
full pressure helmet which in fact was a USAF half pressure helmet of the 60's
while the IVA O2 mask was in fact a standard quick don USAF mask. For all those
non history revisionists suggest reading History of USN Ops in WWII by
Samuel Eliot Morison "Coral Sea, Midways and Subs Actions May '42 -Aug '42
also watch "War & Remembrance " , " Midway 1976 " etc PS : also agreed on
the comment as into the B-25's , the Pearl Harbour attack while indeed the
Mariana & Palau Campaign were not in 1942. PS : Japs had parachutes what you
see on here are torso harnesses.
There are a whole bunch of new video interview and BTS clips released about the movie. Most (if not all) can be seen on the Midway (2019) page on IMDB: www.imdb.com/title/tt6924650/videogallery/?ref_=tt_ov_vi_sm
Ed Skrein mistakenly states that Dick Best was the only pilot to hit two carriers on June 4. Norman "Dusty" Kleiss of Scouting 6 also hit two carriers, the Kaga and the Hiryu.
I am so glad that I am not alone when it comes to movies wrongly portraying history. My usual bug , is showing Republican Romans in imperial armour ,ahhhhh. Why can’t movies get the basics right .
The original "Midway" came to the theaters in 1976. Quality acting, actual military footage, and no CGI.
A remake? What's the point? Can nobody in Hellywood come up with any new ideas?
Yes, I said Hellywood.
Deutsches Brot - German Bread In the TV version of the film, NBC had the filmmakers extend the run time to make it fill 4 hours worth of time, running two hours per night on consecutive evenings. Part of this was done by adding scenes depicting Coral Sea and the sinking of USS Lexington, which was pretty good. The rest of the time was filled with a dreadful subplot where Matt Garth was re-married to a second wife, not Tom’s mother. The second wife was played by Susan Sullivan, who was later on the tv show Falcon Crest. She and Charlton Heston has absolutely zero chemistry together, those scenes were terrible and made me cringe.
Is this a movie or a video game? Cant tell.
I appreciate and expect authenticity and accuracy in movies when it comes to significant events in history, but I suppose that it can be a bit boring for many movie viewers. People want exiting visuals and lots of explosions even if it means taking a bit of a detour around historic accuracies. Hooray for Hollyweird. I will see it at some point, but I sure hope that it doesn't use a love story to prop it up in order to appeal to a wider audience like that other movie did.
They could also of left out the love scenes...atleast they put in A6m2 zeroes...not later A6m5's like they did in the movie pearl harbor
Are you sure Bruno Gaido shot down a G3M Nell instead of the G4M Betty? Looks to me that this film will be a recipe for a Golden Raspberry.
Okay, since YOU bought it up, I believe YES, it was a G4M Betty. The reason I did not bring it up was because I could only find one source that said so which left enough room for doubt that I was unwilling to confirm it. I think that was an error in judgement. I believe the producers kept the budget down by only making one CGI model (trust me, it ain;t cheap). Good eye.
Where are the Fairey Swordfish?...the Red Baron?
7:04 oh, he is dropping that on the carrier? i thiought he was going for that Destroyer (cruiser?) to the right
8:37 is that from warthhunder?
I am not happy at all with the attack on Pearl Harbor. There was no way a plane could fly between the battleships. They were moored close aboard with only a mooring camel separating the ships.
Agreed
The racks with the 500lb bombs on the Devastators, which shouldn’t be there in the first place, don’t make sense from a structural standpoint regarding the retention of the bomb.
Mr. narrator it wasn’t the Mariana’s it was the Marshalls. The Marian’s Campaign wasn’t fought until March of 44.
I say this only half in jest RE the depiction of the torpedo bomber failing to lead its target: Torpedo 8 not only lost every plane (sole survivor George Gay watched the rest of the battle from the water), but they didn't get any hits, either.
Giving the filmmakers the generous benefit of a huge doubt, it is reasonable to speculate that some pilots had buck fever due to inexperience and tension under fire. That could explain a failure to lead a target properly.
It's weak, but I'm trying to be fair.
Gay was the only pilot in VT-8 to drop, the other 14 a/c never got close enough. The pilots who made it out in VT-6 and VT-3 made drops (for example CM Steve Smith of Torpedo 6). The question of hits is problematical, however. The Mark-13 (as its submarine and surface counterparts, the Mark-14 and Mark-15...same warhead, different bodies in length) was so poor that you could get a hit, but not explode. One of the more interesting stories of Midway was the Mark-14 from Nautilus that supposedly hit Kaga without exploding, breaking in two at the warhead, the after part floating to the surface to be used as a life preserver by crew who had gone over the side to escape the flames. The story may be apocryphal, but given the poor quality of arming and fusing coming out of Goat Island until well into '43-early '44...(what finally brought it to a head was likely Mush Morton's angry confrontation with ADM Lockhart about the problem with the Torpedo Station.) At best, the success rate of the Mark 13 through the first year of the war was somewhere between 7 to 9 percent, I believe.
Jim Mogan
I didn't know the precise details of American torpedo failure rates at the beginning of the war, but I did know they were high.
I know that there was a marked improvement in torpedo performance from all platforms (aerial, surface, sub-surface) from mid-1943 through the end of the war.
As much as is made of German U-Boat success at the beginning of the war, American submariners had equal success against Japanese shipping. This would not have happened with early American torpedoes. Of course, that success came at a cost. I once read (never double checked to verify) that submariners had the highest casualty rate of any American service branch or arena of combat. Bold statement, given, for instance, the losses suffered by the 8th Air Force through 1944.
Since when has Hollywood made a film based on history that was historically accurate? The money to make the film comes from people who may or may not have done well in history but, they have done well in making money and there is the bottom line, literally, the bottom line.
Tora Tora Tora is the most accurate film on the Pacific war I can think of.
@@robertdendooven7258 ; or maybe "A Bridge too Far", "The Longest Day".
@@joevicmeneses8918 I said Pacific war film and the ones you mentioned were in Europe.
@@robertdendooven7258 There has been a few others but the best is probably the mini series "the Pacific" by Spielberg , even though it was generally about a few individuals as they fight their way across the Pacific in different battles. Individual battles or large engagements like Midway are very difficult and complicated stories to convey in just a couple hours of a movie. Can you imagine doing a two hour movie on the battle of Leyte Gulf.
1:55 Hugo and Zapan sharing the screen again, at least they're not trying to kill each other.
You said nothing about the space between ships moored at Pearl Harbor large enough to fly fighters between. That is not how ships are moored. They are side by side with fenders in between otherwise as the ships swing on their anchor chains they will slam into each other. The Kates have torpedoes when attacking a land target. Funny because the issue of torpedoes played critical role in the battle. The TBDs did not get anywhere near that close to the Japanese fleet before they were destroyed. When TBDs first entered the fleet they were considered fast compared to comparable aircraft.
Why can’t Hollywood do some homework and get the facts correct?
I've read a lot about this battle that was literally the determining factor in deciding the outcome of the war in the Pacific. The heroics and sacrifices of so many men is legend but leave it to Hollywood to turn something so incredible into a comic book story. Why in the name of all things Holy can't they just do something right for once......just once?
It brought the US naval aircraft carrier force to parity with Japan and allowed us begin offensive operations.
The 500lb bombs in that CGI weren't even connected to the release lugs on the rack!
Brilliant video
Is it just me, or are there not any Wildcats or Buffaloes in this film? I’ve watched all three of your “Midway” videos and didn’t spot one in any of the trailers. Please tell me they haven’t left out the fighters...
Also watched your N-frame video and immediately subscribed! 👍🏻
Thanks. I do not know about the fighters but it would be one hell of an oversight if they did.
Hellcats? Dauntless?
Get my hellcats and Wildcats messed up. I know one was just an improvement over the other with the lowering of the wings etc
Oh Hellcats don't enter service until June 26 1942 .
david smith the Grumman Hellcat wasn’t just an improvement over the feisty Wildcat, it was THE improvement. The pilots that flew her cut a swath through the Japanese pilots. She wasn’t called “the Ace-Maker” for nothing.
But until the F6Fs got into theater, the Wildcat pilots held their own against the more nimble planes of the IJN. And should definitely have a spot in the film.
what did you expect this is emerich after all
Okay so Hollywood was inaccurate in the filming of the 2019 version of Midway but no one is going to force you to go watch the movie. Right or wrong, 'Midway' did happen and it was a very important battle during WWII especially in the Pacific Ocean. BTW, many brave U.S. soldiers lost their lives in that battle.
I'm glad this trailer ruined the movie for all the pedantic "experts". Yes there is "Hollywood" in the
movie. It's a Hollywood movie. Yadayadayada. $hit happens in war. Maybe the F4F's drop tank failed to release. Maybe the Dauntlesss wing tip didn't hit the water, but was close enough to rooster-tail.
I will go see it. I will be entertained.
at 11:09 he cuts the mixture of the airplane. By doing this he is cutting the fuel flow to the engine... The engine would stop and you might have a problem controlling the aircraft and getting the engine to start again. So why the hell would a pilot cut the mixture in a climb during a dog fight.
If he wanted to slow down, he could just pull the throttle back.
And correct me if i´m wrong here, but that looks like a SBD Dauntless. I think the Super Charger (SC) lever should be all the way to the left, and not between the throttle and mixture.
Might be that some versions had it like that though.
This movie trailer is the biggest face palm of the year.
Midway was a fantastic achievement by the US Naval Forces in the Pacific Theatre of WW2. I wish this movie was a good enough representation, but the CGI actually made it into a cartoon version on an important event that changed the course of history, for the better. When I first heard about it, I was really looking forward to seeing the movie, but the trailer alone actually convinced me that I would want to walk out early and disappointed. I wasn’t too thrilled with the original “Midway” movie back in the ‘70s, but I’m sure it was both, much more realistic, and much more believable than this amateur-ish presentation. Too bad!!
Yorktown is a legend aircrafts carrier of all the time
6:52 not to add to your pain, but the bombs that should not be there seem to be literally hanging from cheap apartment door latch chains!!
I saw that but just decided to let it go as I had no reference material on the 100 pound outboard racks.
Commentator mentions Japanese carrier speed at 20 knots. More likely wouild be closer to 30 knots.
he also said all torpedos were fired perfectly leading the carriers. the men were under fire and released at long range in most situations and we never scored a hit. so this is quite accurate that we this torpedo is not gonna make its hit. also the shot with the ships so close is just high angle cinematography so even with 500m in between each ship the angle can 'look like' their 20m apart. thats the point. to fit more stuff in the shot. just a high angle camera. i'd say be more worried about woody harrelson portraying nimitz as a dolt over the placement of 500lb bombs on the wings in place of 100lb bombs as a detail 99.99% of the audience won't notice.
*Thing called me was the equal recognition of Loss of Life on American's & Japanese in Credits !*
Despite your criticism, there are millions of Americans who don’t have a clue about anything WWII, and perhaps a few will want to learn more. The movie Gettysburg was pretty full of faults and historical inaccuracies, but interest in Gettysburg’s real history blossomed after the movie.
New Subscriber! Thanks for your comments. Usually I save my aggravation for Police dramas where the officers terminate a dozen thugly drug dealers each episode, but NO ONE is ever put on modified assignment for a couple of weeks while the brass negotiate with community activists.
My Dad was an Aviation Chief Ordnanceman's Mate on the Hornet (CV-8) from just before the attack on Pearl Harbor until the day it was sunk after the Japanese attack in the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands. I'll watch the movie once just for that scene. I doubt they'll worry about casting someone to play him, though. Probably Jimmy Doolittle is supposed be the Guy hollering at the B-25 crews on the deck at marker 4:55...Do you think anyone will ever do a film about the PB2Y Coronado operations in the Pacific?
I hope they include the air to air action of Pilot Mach. Harry Corl and gunner Lloyd Childers from VT-3 flying TBD BuAir # 0303 side code T3. After the drop, Childers gets wounded by 7.7 MG fire from A6Ms making runs on the TBD. He was shot 3 times (leg & ankle) and his rear gun was knocked out, so he returned fire on the fighters with his .45 (M1911). He survived the war, passing in 2015. www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2013/may/rear-seat-gunners-midway