5 Tips for Dealing with Lazy Group Project Members - College Info Geek
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- Group projects suck... especially when one of your group members isn't pulling their weight. So what do you do in that situation?
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The worst part is when people accuse you of being bossy when you try to keep everyone on schedule, then give you an extremely low score on a peer assessment because you were "uncooperative" when in reality you've been checking on everyone to see if they need help and making sure to ask everyone for their opinions but one person doesn't have any opinions to share!
Amy He An even worst part is when they want you to do their work or they just snatched your paper
When you find someone that goes through what you go through and just become so happy knowing you're not the only one dealing with this so you just wanna throw a party.
Yeah, I can agree on that, I was in a group like that for a VERY important project in high school. My group was uncooperative never delivered their work and purposefully slowed me down. When I went to the teacher about it, she told me to try to wait for a few days to see if things would change... A week later I went to her and told her things were even worse than before, they started to be rude and aggressive. She told me to just ’suck it up and deal with it’. I ended up doing all the work if I did it on my I would have finished a week earlier and had a week to learn all the text, this way I didn't have any time. They knew the text perfectly and I didn't know anything. We got a bad grade. Then the teacher asked us to anonymously evaluate the others teamwork and we agreed that we would give everyone 90%. The next day the teacher read out the teamwork scores. They ended up having 97% and I got 30%. Yes, 30% after I did ALL the work and after our agreement. I almost failed the subject that year, because the project was 50% of our final grade...
@@marketarihova3699 I would have gone to admin about that. Teachers are not the final say. Stand up for yourself.
Ikkkk this girl was calling this other girl a dictator WHEN ALL SHE WAS TRYING TO DO WAS HELP and she was being a hypocrite BECAUSE SHE WAS LITERALLY YELLING AT US TO DO STUFF
I hate working in groups! The group i have now is so lazy. I told the professor and turned in my portion of the assignment and got full credit after trying for a week to communicate. At the end of the week they all asked me are we done and i left them all unanswered. They all blew up my phone two days later saying we got an 0 out of 150...i laughed so hard. But played along and didnt tell them i got 100% to bad to sad. Im tired of carry grown adults! Do your work if you want to graduate. Just like you'll do your work if you want to get paid.
It's Viola good on ya, you played them hard. They should’ve done their share
bruh I don't even know u but I feel like a proud mom I would've done the same
YESSS THIS
Or let's get rid of the whole group project thing. It doesn't benefit us that are shy or introverted.
I love what you did. Those people deserved a 0
Group projects suck for those people who actually work
Group projects also suck for those that are extremely shy and introverted. Dont blame us for not participating
i'm an introvert and I hate talking to people, yet I still participate because everyone needs to do their part
Exactly. For any student, whether you're in elementary, middle, high school/university, or any school or age, it's hard to step out of your comfort zone and work with people who you might have not been able to communicate with the most. You can't know what they're thinking, but they probably feel the same way as you about working in a group. People just need to teach lazy workers a lesson about purpose, not revenge or drama. Students need to speak with a teacher or adult.
@@jamesgentry13 Sorry but do not use that as an excuse. I am the exact same way, but I at least do my work if not anything else. Just do your part, even if your a bad communicator. Sometimes I end up doing everything in a group project and other times I fail to contribute much because Im an introvert, but I always try and I always do my part.
@@jamesgentry13 that’s not a valid excuse
Group projects are so much fun when every member gets evaluated based on their individual effort. Too bad that never happends.
I dunno my current teacher apparently puts losers in a group together..... which I'm hoping he does for me since I reported to him wth was happening two weeks ago. I can't do the final projects with these two cows I was stuck with. We had no choice who we got stuck with.
As of right now, the ONLY thing I hate about college is Group Project.
I HATE working with other people on a project
Me too, I'm more productive alone.
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Just warn them about not putting their names on the final report, I tried this every time and this's freaking effective
Exactly! I don't know why people don't get this. If someone doesn't do the work, their name doesn't get put on the assessment.
Tristan Lau I sadly can't do this, we all get a different paper BUT WHEN I CAN OH GOD THANK YOU!
For me this is not an option ;-;
The sad part is when they don't care and teachers aren't on board with that. I once had the same 4 team members in 3 different labs. In all of them, one missed report meant invalidating all other grades for that subject, and I learnt it the hard way when I was on my way to scoring 90% the first bimonthly period when I had to do all the work for three different projects and my teacher said it wasn't valid because all my teammates had to be 'credited for their work', even if I had to do most of it myself. Worst part was that I had already approached them from the second they were put in my team because I KNEW they didn't work in class. 'Suck it up, you'll have to when you work'. I said I wouldn't work under someone who would pay 4 people for the work a single member was doing, but they ignored meCost me my overall GPA period after period, nearly failing all 3 labs and a burn out that made me want to kill myself.
@@mgmt97 Yeah I feel you. Last semester I had a group project on programming and it was supposed to be composed of 7 members. One of them was a cadet and had little time. Two of them were new to this and knew second to nothing of the subject but still helped me out. Rest of them were total douchebags who wouldn't even bother to show up. It would've been fine but there was a viva after each phase and the catch was that if other team members didn't know anything then the teacher would deduct the group leaders' points for not keeping everyone else in phase. Long story short there were three phases and I had to explain the programming and the structure of the bot to them and even then they would just show up whenever the hell they wanted. They demanded explanations multiple times just so they would get a passing grade. Even though this subject was worth 4 credits, the time I had to dedicate almost tripled and got me from getting around 3.4-3.6 to 2.9.
This is why Batman works alone
Beat thing ive read
Lmfaooooo
But what about Robin? He works with Batman, right?
Ali AI He does
LMAO yes
my problem is that even taking initiative doesnt solve much. I automatically step up to take on leadership because I know how to get shit done and how to do it well, but i generally dont trust other people. Just because group members are responsive and everyone is working at a good pace doesnt mean they are being successful in fulfilling their task. I cant count how many times I've had to drastically edit someone else's contribution because they are incompetent, didnt follow instructions, made a ton of horrendous gramatical errors, etc. In the end they get the same credit as me even though I do all the work and editing and they dont even realize how poorly they would have done if I wasn't there working behind the scenes. THAT is why i hate group projects.
Wouldn't it be better to just sit down with them and edit it together? They can hardly know what they are doing wrong if you just fix it for them. And some people will take advantage of your personality too, work badly cause they know you will take the lead and do all the work. Why would they work if you just do it for them anyway? It's hard but you should just let them do their part and you do yours, that way it will definitly show the difference in quality.
@@kallistoindrani5689
Because it's faster and less effort to just do the work than do the work and teach a nimrod how to do it.
@@gorgefood9867 Agreed. Most of these nimrods don't even know how to properly use MS Word ffs.
OH MY GOD thank you NY. I have to do this literally every single time. I'd rather have one person not do their part at all than have 3-5 people do theirs terribly.
@@gorgefood9867 Straight up, that was their fourth-grade teacher's job. Not ours. One day their shoddy work will kick them where it hurts and they'll realize they need to get it together and take language or research classes, or whatever they need to succeed. All I know is they'll get kicked where it hurts when MY grade isn't on the line...
Sorry if my frustration is seeping out of this comment. 😂 I'm literally drowning in group projects rn
I can't speak for everyone who teaches at colleges and universities, but all the faculty I've talked to about this topic understand this problem exists (mostly because we all had group projects in college in which we were the ones that had to do all the work!). I would suggest students to be even more proactive. The DAY the assignment is given, specifically ask the professor what the process is for dealing with students who do not contribute. I know at least two college instructors who specifically give their groups the ability to fire members that aren't pulling their weight, and the expelled students then have to apply to other groups to participate. Just like the real world, you get fired if you don't do your job.
+TaiChiKnees Think I should try this.
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Lol, we talked about this to our middle school teacher.
"No you can't fire them. You're supposed to be a team."
BS.
Exactly
The issue is then the unproductive member will drag down more people
I deal with them on EVERY group project
same ¬¬
Same
I am dealing with them right now my 2 other friends don’t even help cause they are lazy and gives excuses why they can’t do it right now -_- and it’s very frustrating that I DID ALL THE WORK AND EVERYTHING AND THEY STILL GET THE SAME CREDIT AS ME It’s very unfair when I present the groups work I still have to give an excuse that they did help even tho they didn’t at all cause we will get a 0 😡😡😡
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When group project members don't communicate well, it's because they don't want to. Not because you somehow didn't establish an ideal method of communication. They want to avoid doing as much work as possible. It should not be anyone else's responsibility to coerce them to contribute to the project. The fact they don't actively try to establish communication to be on the same page as everyone else in the group is enough evidence that they want to be a deadweight. I've had this happen to me too many times. I've done everything to establish modes of communication and made myself available, constantly making sure if they had any questions. All of my efforts amounted to nothing, because in reality they simply didn't want to put in the work. I never bossed anyone around, nor was I disrespectful. I've given my fellow team members clear goals and deadlines, yet that didn't matter. Every single step I took in the project I'd update my team members on to make sure they understood and were on the same page. I've done everything in that regard. I can't really rely on emailing the professor, since he explicitly stated that it was like this in the real world and we basically had to deal with this sort of stuff. I genuinely hope my team members don't graduate or don't find jobs. Because they'll be a burden on everyone else which is something I wouldn't wish upon anyone to have to deal with.
Exactly!!!!
In school: Plz do your work.
Real-world: You are *FIRED*.
I love how i get a group assignment, none of them discuss with each of other or me. I had to haul-ass and bring the awareness that a project is due next week. If it wasn't for me, we would be in deep shit. Sometimes I wish there was someone else that can hold part of the weight. Life man, cuts you by the throat when you don't notice. (Rambling) Anyone can empathize. Just the usually annoyed college student~
Allen Hu honestly all of the people in my group wanna be the leader and take charge but none of them remembered when the dateline was and they're so disorganized and I had to give them a reality check and even informed them about when it's due and now they hate me and are giving me shit like WTF?! If it wasn't for me, we would all be behind on the project like ughh
when I'm assigned with people I don't know or I know they are horrible group members I become a sort of a dictator (which tbh I hate...) I basically control everything, I become a stalker and I always always ALWAYS tell them from the start "the one that doesn't work, the one that goes... few are not going to do the work of everyone" basically I threaten them. That has really helped me but it's really stressful, I'm not a bad person so off course I feel bad when I have to kick someone off the group... but you gotta do what you gotta do
-Real world 101
Im currently going through this and it makes me feel horrible, but it gets to a point where you cant let other people tank your grade.
so far on every group project we had on our first semester there have been people who didn't even lift a finger to help out and the most annoying thing is that they got the same credit for the project as we did...it sucks doing all the work and not getting the recognition for it
+jennytsak It's practice for the real world. People suck.
+Machinima Shawn Serious?
+Machinima Shawn I don't really want to be a snitch..and I don't actually think our professors would give a damn about it.. 😕
+jennytsak but at least you are getting better at this things and others miss out on great learn experience...always looking for the positive things
yeah I guess this might work out on my favour in the long run :)
Who else freaking LOATHES group projects/work?
I end up being the only one who cares about getting a good grade therefore I end up doing everything myself
@@notsomuchhere1387 me too
@@notsomuchhere1387 Smart
I cant stand it when people dont do anything in projects!! It makes my head stand and make me be a mean person while I dont want to.
I've had 3 group projects this term. The group that I have right now is the worst! Today, we needed to do math exercises and two girls just sat there talking to each other whilst all the work was done by me and another group member. And then ... they wrote their names on the assignment. I can't say no because I'm weak...
If you don't like confrontation, find a sneaky way to make it clear to the professor that you did all the work. The other people in your group don't have to KNOW you're ratting them out :P
Same as me, I don't want to see them failed but to be honestly I don't like that characters.They are soooo bullshit.
Simp
it's scaring me so much that every time you upload a video it's about a subject that I'm dealing with.
last week I was wondering if I were really concentrated with music on and you uploaded a video about it.
and tomorrow I'm meeting up with my group for a school project and here you are again.
thank you so much😄
Just understand... bringing it to the professor is one thing, but don't expect them to DO anything about it. I realize you want them to give all of you a good grade and this fool a lowered grade. Honestly, I have RARELY heard of that working. The professor might deal with this person in a different way. Don't assume that your grades will reflect the extra work you are doing and they are not. Just don't get your hopes up for that, or you'll be sorely disappointed.
Mc Kenna true
I'd say that would never work. But you could separate from the lazy one on the group.
I had a programming project (duo only); the other guy didn't want to do ANYTHING. Summing it all up, it was a tragedy. And he got away with a higher grade than mine because the professor thought he did better on the interview (for God's sake). He didn't even read the code, he just glanced at it on the interview and was lucky to understand it enough to explain. Had I separated from him, I could've performed better (even more if I started alone from the get-go).
I flunked and he passed. Oh well.
True, usually, my teachers want everyone to do part of the work. So if you tell them that you did all of the work, they’ll just mark it down for lack of communication. So, if you have to deal with lazy group members, and you basically did all of the work, just keep it that way. Because the work will benefit the one who does it because they learned from it
In my college we write a research paper every three months, and obviously you have to team up. I've been using Google Drive and Google Docs lately and let me to tell you it works like magic. We don't have to email the parts and gather them, everybody knows when someone is or isn't working so it pushes those lazy partners to work.
Another thing I've found useful is to show a little bit of leadership and try to speak to every member of the team, and instead of chunking the thing, actually work as a team in every single piece of your paper, listen out suggestions and opinions from every member (and actually take them seriously).
I learned in college how to deal with irresponsable people. I hate to admit it, but he is right, you have to go on with the work and the next say them no for the next project.
I love when some professors make us choose if we want to be in a grope or by ourselves.
My simple dream
Then sometimes majority student choose group because they assume the project will be easier, but they turn out to be carelessly, do assign without study it first.
Some of my classmates would perfectly do their individual works and when they are put in groups with someone else, they let him do everything. Thinking they're smart, but that's real selfishness there. No human values at all.
I had 2 group projects I had to do recently, it was really bad and I ended up doing most of the work myself rather than have my grades brought down by people who really don't care. Thanks for the advice.
Regarding the video coming next week - while I thought it would be a relatively simple video (a sub-topic of music should be easier to cover than music itself, right?) I ended up in neuroscience territory that's pretty hard for me to understand, and eventually had about 30 tabs open in my browser with studies, conflicting opinions, etc. So I decided to push it back a week in order to make sure my understanding was more solid, and to make the video NOT be 20 minutes long :P
Would you like any help with the neurological aspect? Like someone to ask?
Potentially. I've got a call with a neuroscientist today actually. One of my main areas of curiosity is the consensus on the relationship between neural oscillations and cognitive functions.
From what I've been reading, it seems certain frequency bands of neural oscillations are associated with different types of cognitive activity, e.g. delta waves arise from deep sleep, beta/gamma waves are associated with mental attentiveness/wakefulness. And from looking at studies using EEG data, it seems that these oscillations (brainwaves) can be changed through external stimuli like music.
From there, it's claimed that auditory stimuli using precise frequencies can entrain brainwaves to a desired matching frequency band, thus encouraging changes in cognitive performance - better focus, better sleep, etc. This is where we get into binaural beats, isochronic tones.
There are some studies showing positive results for this hypothesis, but others showing no results. And it seems the sample sizes are usually small. And some skeptics have written that brainwave frequencies arise from cognitive states - not the other way around.
That doesn't mean the theory is false, but to me it seems like more data is needed. Some binaural beats/iso-tones sellers claim CRAZY benefits, which I can dismiss pretty easily.
What I'm interested in is if these types of technologies can simply help you focus more effectively.
I'm interested in this right now because I discovered a tool called Brain.fm a couple months ago, and personally I've had good results (typically better than normal study music) with it. I've been using it for a little over two months, so I believe I can rule out placebo effect for myself (though I'm not knowlegeable on the studied time ranges of placebo effects - maybe they're long-term? And if so, does it matter?)
But my experience is anecdotal, so I'd like to be able to more accurately present the state of the science behind it before just coming out and saying, "Hey, this works for me."
Thank goodness for this video! I'm a student leader at our high school and I'm also working with a group on our research paper. I had to singlehandedly make the paper, but now our teacher insists on us defending it as a group. But now I'm going to try out this communicate and delegate method and see what happens! ❤
Also really annoying when you all get the same grade for the project and some people are pulling down the grade by trying to finish the work quickly with the least effort they can instead of trying to produce good work! Ugh...It's difficult because you have a personal relationship with people on your course, so you can't just tell them that they should be doing more, but at the end of the day, their lack of work is going to affect my grade
In elementary I always want to be a the group leader knowing it would increase my grade...
And it turned out pretty well...
But in Grade 7 or let's say Highschool where it all hit hard...
I always have Lazy Team Member and have no one to rely on...
And here is what I do...
Tips:
*Create A Group Chat, And Ask someone if they want to volunteer...
To the group project, make sure they're practicing and so does you,
Make sure to be polite as always since your teacher/Your judgemental classmate is the one who will sometime give the grade...
make sure to grab a Piece of Paper then write a important detail about you've learned, make sure to Ask/Tell what your member suppose to do (you're the leader right??)
And make sure you guys are not Being Noisy... Keep Talking, Turning To Each Other When Presenting Your Report/Project, That would just decrease you're Score :)
Also Do Not be afraid or embarrassed, If you do bad at the project... Then do better next time ?
But If no one want to do or participate in the Group Project Then do not include them in your work, and tell to your teacher that they do not do anything,
And Make sure to always remember what You've Learned,
But the actual most important thing to get a great grade on a group project is focusing about Every detail,
Like The Title/What You and You're Member Suppose To D (And Many More).
*This is where I'm going to end it... You actually do not need all of this, all you need is to get used to be as a GROUP leader, and Gain Experience :)*
I'm in a group project right now and one of them arrogantly said they had it all handled and didn't let us participate. When we got to see what she did, it was amazing by how pretentious and long it was while somehow it answered none of the professor's requirements. So, I had to rewrite it and then my other partner got finished and when I opened it.....so many errors that I had to fix :D
Right now I am dealing with a bossy, bully and a lazy team members who is not even doing any of the work. I am lazy but still the most hard working person all the time. I ended up doing the most work and I really wish I was working by myself. It is the worst feeling knowing that someone is getting benefits from your hard work, this happens at work and in school. I rather work by myself.
I don't usually share my stories, but now I'm really mad. Ever since I started highschool I've been in the same class with my best friends, so whenever we had a group project we assumed we would do it together. On every single project I had to be the one who decides what to do, how to do it, to make sure there weren't any mistakes, to wait until the very same day of the project to get all parts together, and then be criticised that I am bossy or simply ignored. So this year, maybe not the best choice, I decided not to do anything that wasn't mine. And tomorrow we have to hand it in, and it's a complete mess, and my friends are freaking out, but I don't care anymore. I did my part right and what will happen we shall see. I just lost all my motivation of working with them.
Thats happening to me rn... im very upset.
Same here
this story sounds interesting..Ik i am 4 years late, but can u plz tell me what happened next?
Thank you! That really helped a lot. In my engineering class we have one person on our team who is "riding our coattails," so to speak. This individual sent us an email wanting to do the prototyping on the design (ie: the fun stuff) after the hard work and mathematical calculations had already been done (naturally, without their design submission as it was submitted well after the deadline we set). So, this helps give me some direction in dealing with this at a crucial time as finals loom near. Again, thank you very much!
In some group projects I've been involved with we've had the opportunity to do a peer assessment of our fellow group members once we've handed our work in by scoring people on their contribution to the group.
It's been a great way to indicate which group members have been the least helpful, hence leading to them getting an overall lower mark. I know that some people have abused this peer assessment system though, with them being the laziest ones in the group but scoring themselves the highest out of everyone else. Of course, if the consensus is that one person has been lazy yet they give themselves a high peer assessment mark, the professor is going to notice that something strange is going on and likely just negate the high score that the lazy person has given themselves.
Awesome advice! Asana is amazing, I'm also an editor and my publisher uses Asana. One thing I'd suggest is in regards group oral presentations, make sure to meet and practice how long each persons part in the presentation is going to be. This will help make sure all parts fit in the time given for the presentation as a whole and also helps ease nerves if individuals experience anxiety with public speaking.
I once had a group project consisting of three group members. Every time we sat down to work on the project one of the members always was up to something else. The day before presentation me and the other group member decided to let him go. I told him that he did not have to come into school for presentation. He was really mad but did not say anything because he knew he had fucked up.
Wow, Thomas. Really appreciate your efforts in making thorough research and what not. You never fail to deliver great content for your audience. (:
Just want to express my gratitude (:
Nope. I always volunteer to be group leader, and if someone is not pulling their weight I fire them plain and simple. Most of the time our teacher would understand.
It’s the worst when you’re bad at saying no to people and the others in the group project notice it :/
I just love your channel! it's so convenient for my study 😍
Thanks for this video, I needed it! These tips also apply to the workplace. Dealing with lazy project members doesn't end in college.
Perfect timing! I needed this.
Do you know what I do?
1. Give them tasks.
2. Note down what each members did on that day, including things like they didn't participate and stuff.
3. Then talk to your own teacher on how unfair it is to yourself and other hard-working members, and ask teacher to reduce their marks.
Hey Thomas. I've been watching your videos for a while and they are pretty helpful. Since you make videos for mostly college students, I really would like you to make one about your views on stuff like partying or smoking weed and stuff like that, and how it affects ones productivity,till what extent is it fine, or even your experience with it. Stuff like how to balance it out, or should one completely just refrain from it.
i love ur channel man is so helpful. Even english is not my main language, i understand the majority of the ideas. Thanks!
Just what I needed! Thanks for the video :)
I just searched for "dealing with lazy group project members" and your video came right away!
This video is so helpful because I have the same problem and whenever I suggest anything the say yeah whatever...
I will try all of the tips and will see what happens.
Since I liked this video so much I think I should subscribe to you :)
Thank you so much for this man - I entered college via an interview so my grades weren't as good as my other coursemates, who basically where in the tops for national exams. Ironically enough there are so many of these people who are unresponsive to groupwork/produce shitty quality. I've had one of my worst Chinese New Years because I spent most of it covering the work of 4 other incompetent people instead of taking a break, seeing family ugh
I'm dealing with this exact problem right now. This gave me alot to think about. Thanks.
I kicked one lazy fellow out of my team today. Feels good man.
I feel like even if I were to tell professors, they'll just be like "deal with it, you don't get to complain in the real world"
Right on time! I'm dealing with nearly an entire group of those!
Great videos! You can also make a video talking about study routine. I'm lost and procrastination is killing me. We are a lot in this situation. Thanks Frank!!!
I always have to stay up till midnight filling in for someone because they “forgot”
I’m in two group projects for school right now, one nobody has done anything, and the other o a I have basically done all of it, and the group is just commenting and saying hi on messages but no real contributions, I decided to just do it myself cause I don’t want this to affect my grade. I also agree with you, never count on others. I think next time I will do my own project fully and on the side contribute to the group but if they do not do anything I will deliver my own version and let the group fail.
I love your videos! This help me a lot!
Im having such a hard time with one of my groups right now this helps so much thank you
Just give me the work for myself.... I'll finished it. My problem with group work is that I couldn't keep up with my teammates.
I tend to do something in my own pace and I'm struggling keeping up with their pace. They works fast and most importantly at noon. I work the best at midnight.
I ended up being a person who slowed them down. I hate that feeling.
Rarest things that has caught by human eye: Seeing mythical creatures, Seeing your dad, a 1 mil dollar bill, *GROUP WHERE EVERYONE DOES THEIR PART*
Thank you so much for all these videos
The thumbnail is both rad and fierce. 😂 😂 love this video though.
The part about the potential professor's comments was very helpful, thanks.
hey Thomas..thank u for this channel.. you helped through a lot
I was hoping if you could make a video for teachers helping them understand what to focus on, manage the class in a better way, and how to attract student attention more efficiently..
thank u again
OMG THANK YOU. This video was so helpful.
You are so handsom... Aaaaand thanks for the research and the nice video, jaja.
I wish I watched this video earlier this year before I started with my research project. Thank you for sharing ♥ 🇿🇦
thanks a lot for your viideos and effortss!!!!! I get really help from these videosss
I hate those who thinks that they know everything and being bossy, telling that theyll be the leader then doing nothing at all, always saying lets do this after 3 days but not gonna happend because others are lazy too. And the worst part was if you try to be honest theyll think that youre being arrogant.
So I am not the lazy one but I am the one who gets to pick a subject last and there is almost nothing left to do. I am practically the useless one since don’t do much. I also hate that I often end up writing the same thing as another member in my group because they won’t tell me what they are working on.
Then there is another person in the group who refuses to do anything or skips class. I also hate that I often end up writing the same thing as another member in my group because they won’t tell me what they are working on.
Very useful, I am that one nerd who has to carry all the useless people in middle school until the classes are decided based on skill. I am not in college but this video still was incredibly useful so dubs to this guy.
This is one of my favorite cultural differences I've noticed between American and Portuguese students. Around there you guys get very annoyed about doing all the work for someone else. Here people are just fine with it. If they could choose between taking full credit and someone taking none, or help out the person, 9 times out of 10 they'd help someone out, even if they did nothing, so long as they were respectful and honest with you.
Like, if I can do a Programming project in 5 days, and I have a group member who'd need 5 weeks and lots of coaching to do his part, I'll let him do his part of the project if he wants to but if he doesn't it's fine for me to do his work. I don't feel like it's ''unfair'' he get's the same grade as me without doing the work since no one sees grades as a competition. There's a scale from 1 to 20 and you're fighting with yourself to get as close to 20 as you can. If more people get closer to 20? That's even better as you're helping other people. And we don't feel like they'll get something they wouldn't deserve since they still need to get through the rest of the classes. And if someone manages to get through everything without doing any work? Well, that's a very valuable skill in itself.
I don't know, there's very little competition, at least in my university, and everyone's goal is to make sure everyone else has as good a grade as it's possible. I'm reading this comments about how people hate doing all the work and then someone gets the same credit yet around here I see students coaching their partners on the project defense so they get a similar grade when they didn't do as much of the work.
Probably a product of a smaller number of students so you're likely to know your group mates really well and then they're your friends and you just want them to succeed and accept their flaws.
THE THUMBNAIL FOR THIS VIDEO SPEAKS MY MIND ON ALL GROUP PROJECTS AAAAAAA
Thank you, it really helps me out.
I HATE group assignments too, especially when you are being evaluated as a team. When I have a choice between doing an individual assignment or a group assignment, I always choose to do an individual assignment. I'm in a very toxic group now and just can't wait until it's over. It's completely draining me and I'm just burned out.
Had to deal with this for two years. I hope I can apply this to this year's group.
i had always thought that i couldnt work on group projects and then one time a teacher put me with the responsable people in the class and i realized that i was able and that the other people were the ones who couldnt. my tip is always to try to form groups with people you know work. once i had a group project with two boys and i told them to send me their part over the weekend and they didnt so i did it all and told the teacher before the class, and when we were about to start one of them is like 'what am i going to say' and i was like youre not saying anything because you didnt do anything. like these people really thought i was going to do the work for them.
i always act like that bossy girl that is reminding everyone shit.
Mass effect 3 sound track is my go to study music, that said I usually study in silence.
And I find myself sticking a song on repeat if it motivates me to write a long report or something of the type. I think it keeps me in a certain mood, for longer than normal and I can just zone out and crack on with my work.
It's not okay but I just say to myself. Oh well, I guess I'm the one learning.
But it does suck cause you know if they put the same effort, both of you can create something greater!! And at the end, it does also affects your work.
Thank you Thomas Frank for this one, I just got done with a group project and none of my member did anything, im so tired of having to carry every group project.
I want to start a study accountability group I noticed that was procrastinating and when a friend asked me if I wanted to hang out and I told them I was busy, they said "oh come on, do you know how much work we have??? but we work harder so we can meet up" the fact that her studies are heavier than mine and that she was so strict to me, made me really motivated and made me finish a bunch of tasks just like that... Thomas Frank has talked about accountability groups in the past and this gave me the idea of starting one... I need strict, hard working students for this group, students that can give me that kick in the butt I need sometimes. Anyone up for that? we can support each other
Hey Thomas, can you do a video on how to manage time between work and study? Im planning to work a part time job while taking a full time degree. Ill be super grateful if you can make one! Love all your videos and tips!
oh and I would really appreciate it if you could do a video about how to become more selfconcious and all the other personal traits needed to be a group manager.
I have no problem organizing stuff and doing most of the work but I really have a problem with putting myself in that position of telling people what to so, being "strikt" and reminding them of the deadlines. However, it needs to be done if I am the most reliable group member
I have bad luck in team work. I was in a bad group for a VERY important project in high school. My group was uncooperative never delivered their work and purposefully slowed me down ( they did things like refusing to bring their computers and then asking to borrow mine. One day worked on my phone the whole lesson, hoping they would do some work. No, they took photos on my laptop and played games, but no work. When I went for the teacher to show her that they were snooping through my private files, they copied my work from the previous day, put it in a new document and delete the old one so it would look like someone wrote it that day. The teacher fell for it and I got yelled at for lying. Then they told her that I was playing games on my phone so I got yelled at again ( the teacher who fell for that was a substitute teacher who didn’t know them). When I went to our teacher about it, she told me to try to wait for a few days to see if things would change... A week later I went to her and told her things were even worse than before, they started to be rude and aggressive. She told me to just ’suck it up and deal with it’. I ended up doing all the work if I did it on my I would have finished a week earlier and had a week to learn all the text, this way I didn't have any time. They knew the text perfectly and I didn't know anything. We got a bad grade. Then the teacher asked us to anonymously evaluate the others teamwork and we agreed that we would give everyone 90%. The next day the teacher read out the teamwork scores. They ended up having 97% and I got 30%. Yes, 30% after I did ALL the work and after our agreement and by basic math I found out that they must have given each other 100%. I almost failed the subject that year, because the project was worth 50% of our final grade...
I`ve tried all the tips (1-4), should I just do the whole project by myself? All my group-members aren`t even trying to do their part....
Yep. Do it yourself, and then only put your name on it
I always end up making a project with my friend also a colegue. She doean't know how to translate, so I end up doing all the work, while she spends time on facebook. She took the same subjects just to make sure that I'd do a project with her. I am so angry...
Nina Nicole wth girl why put yoursef in that kind of situation, get rid of her from your life. just reading your comment stressed me out
I'm so mad now coz my members are not doing anything. Then this video is up! Thanks man. Btw I really hate group projects:(
Thank you so much. . you gave great advice
I showed your channel to my college teacher and she said we may watch a few of these for first hour class
Before I thought I can able to work in a group but I realise that I don't like irresponsible and unorganised people, I really angry with my group-mates are very selfish and bullshit. I prefer to do project by myself rather than do with a group.
I always found that there was at least one person who did nothing, or if they did do something they do a half assed job of it and the rest of us have to re edit again. We usually use an app called WhatsApp to communicate, and them Google drive to edit and combine our work. But everyone tends to hate group projects in my class since everyone is so competitive with each other as opposed to cooperative because of the centile rank obsession.
That thing where you have to edit or start over with the parts assigned to them is soooooooooo frustrating I could cry.
An app called what?
this is what I need! tks so much
I just got paired of with 3 lazy people in my marketing class and I feel like I have to take charge cause I feel like it won't get done or the teacher will say that the group came up with an idea was lazy and too common. I feel like I have to be the boss but I am not sure how to not be bossy cause I have a problem with being bossy. Not sure what to do.
i have no idea why schools just don't pair people based on their marks
why pair an A+ student with a lazy C- one just for the novelty of variety and team work ?
Exactly! I was mismatched so terribly this semester. My fellow group members are complete morons by choice. They simply don't care. One of my members is outright incompetent at everything. The prick is so bad at doing our assignments properly, I suspect he does it on purpose to avoid any higher expectations to do more work. He wastes our time so much, it's questionable how he made it to senior year. I'd put all my money on the fact he has leeched on other people to get by.
Been lazy as hell during the semester break, only starting to watch his videos again and again to gain some motivation. Anyone having the same situation? lol
+Shah Rizal i am and in week 3 of classes i feel like i have lost my enthusiasm and desire to do work in week 2. I went to a place where there is scenery like a park, river bank or a balcony and talked to myself in my head how important it is and what i should do to keep studying instead of watching TH-cam videos. That helped so much that the moment I went back to my apartment I wrote down a plan on what book i should use to study and what chapter which has now made me go back to my productive self that I was last semester.
Thank you .. as a student this is what sucking me out...
I was lucky that my group projects found me with motivated students, everyone worked together in the senior class capstone group project, and the students in graduate programs were just more motivated.
Thanks for video!👍
AWESOME VIDEO!!!!
I always feel like the people who do that are going in knowing the one or few people who really care about their grade will step up and do it so they can chill and ignore it. The problem is in real life and in a job that would never work. I know people who sucked at their job and did nothing so yeah they got let go. Group projects are about being able to work on a goal with other people which is key to work for any company or most jobs.
I can't Believe I'm watching this ... should be step 1) drill your members on their past grades, their priorities, a contact detail for group member of a past project! Can't believe I have 4 social loafers! .. a group of 5 members (i took the role of PM and assigning tasks that fall on dead ears) I have resorted to step 3 staying up till 4 in the morning each night to get this project work done. Yay for 2 hrs sleep RIP.
Thank You for this video though.