Vitamin D and Long COVID: A Case Report (Coronavirus Update 146)

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  • @silverstar4289
    @silverstar4289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +182

    One of the tragic failures of the US government (and others) is the lack of information on increasing Vitamin D

    • @Bob_Adkins
      @Bob_Adkins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      By law, in the USA milk fortified with Vit D added must be labeled. Just saying, like lots of others, I'm not a milk drinker.

    • @luiswhatshisname7667
      @luiswhatshisname7667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      by failure or design

    • @321southtube
      @321southtube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Vitamin D is really wonderful and many of us would benefit from first off getting our levels tested then...getting the correct type and dosage of D. Its important to remember...D is a supplement and not a silver bullet. Maintaining good physical and mental health, exercising and eating right and staying up to date on routine checkups and vaccinations is paramount. Vitamin D adds / enhances to what I've just mentioned...it doesn't replace any. People...listen to facts and not fantasy, get vaccinated, make good health decisions and stop infecting eachother. That's the way out of this.

    • @Typhoonbladefist
      @Typhoonbladefist 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get your doctor to prescribe vitamin D and get a months worth for dirt cheap through insurance.

    • @darilekron4590
      @darilekron4590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Typhoonbladefist
      Prescription for vitamin D is usually once a week 50,000 iu vitamin D2. Vitamin D3 is closer to what your body produces from the sun and having the dose spread out through the week allows your level to increase better than weekly dose. Over the counter at Costco or on Amazon it's about 3-6 cents per pill.

  • @donaldnorth3714
    @donaldnorth3714 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Thank you Dr. Seheult! I’m amazed at the number of clinicians who are not aware of the relationship between Vitamin D and SARS-CoV-2. Your videos have been great teaching methods!

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      True! But remember, there is not a one-to-one relationship. Modest vitamin D deficiency does not typically cause symptoms, and symptoms seen with intermediate vitamin D deficiency vary widely. It is safe to say that most modest nutrient deficiencies are asymptomatic.

  • @fjb2986
    @fjb2986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Once I started taking vitamind D3 and K2 6 months ago my symptoms improved signicantly. I currently take 5,000 IU of D3 and feel like I am now returning to normal. On a side note, I have an automine disease and suffered with chronic debilitating joint pain for 10 years after a catching a previous virus in 2012. I saw several doctors rheumatologists, immunologists etc and they were never successful at treating my condition. After getting Covid I am back my pre 2012 self, it's like my immune system has gone through some sort of a beneficial reset.

  • @AzKaraokeVic
    @AzKaraokeVic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    Really interesting. Vitamin D deficiency seems to be linked to so many different health problems. I'm glad I was made aware of it by the Vitamin D council about 10 years ago and started taking supplements. I wish more people were aware of Vitamin D's benefits.

    • @ZestyAqua
      @ZestyAqua 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Warnings of vitamin D and D3
      Vitamin D toxicity may occur with excessively high doses. Symptoms could include nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, constipation, dehydration, fatigue, and confusion. Due to the fact that vitamin D is a fat-soluble drug, the effects of vitamin D therapy can last 2 months or more after therapy is discontinued. It is also important to know the vitamin D content of other supplements you may be taking, such as a daily multivitamin. You should not take high doses of vitamin D supplements without your doctor’s instruction.
      Per the article. There is D, D2 and D3 supplements. They aren't breaking this down correctly.

    • @ZestyAqua
      @ZestyAqua 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What is vitamin D3?
      Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) is an over-the-counter vitamin D supplement available in a variety of strengths. It is available in oral tablets and capsules, as well as oral and sublingual solutions.
      Vitamin D3 comes from animal sources such as fish oil, fatty fish, liver, or egg yolks.
      Are vitamin D or D3 the same?
      When we refer to vitamin D, we are talking about Vitamin D2. Vitamin D2 and D3 are both widely used vitamin D supplements but are not the same. Vitamin D2 is ergocalciferol and comes from plant-based sources. Vitamin D3 is cholecalciferol and comes from animal-based sources. Both supplements are processed in the body by the liver to 25-hydroxyvitamin D, though vitamin D3 is thought to provide higher levels of 25D. Some formulations of vitamin D2 are prescription only, while all formulations of vitamin D3 are over-the-counter.
      Is vitamin D or D3 better?
      Vitamin D and D3 are each processed in the body by the liver to 25-hydroxyvitamin D2 and 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 respectively. Studies have shown that taking vitamin D3 leads to higher 25D levels, which in turn leads to a higher contribution to the body’s vitamin D stores.
      Per the article. That cites Covid19 studies.

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@ZestyAqua >40% of Americans are deficient. vitamin D toxicity is almost unheard of. 50-80 ng/dl is “normal”. 10,000 IU minimum will only barely meet that. FYI.

    • @loucipher6839
      @loucipher6839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      most women are aware…

    • @user-pv3vp1cw7g
      @user-pv3vp1cw7g 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Don't forget to take K2 mk7 with vitamin D3 to prevent calcification of arteries. And you are wrong about toxicity.

  • @Urukanguro
    @Urukanguro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sunlight , the gift that keeps on giving .

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It gave me two squamous carcinomas on my right forearm, right where I got the most sun throughout my 69 years. Fortunately, they were easily removed in the dermatologist's office under local anesthesia and just left flat scars, with a rather small chance of complications. Ignoring them tempts melanoma, which is far, far worse.

  • @l.w.paradis2108
    @l.w.paradis2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Poor little girl! Thanks to the doctors who took great care in diagnosing and helping her, and thank you as well.

  • @321southtube
    @321southtube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thanks so much. Your presentations are interesting, intriguing and refreshing. Unfortunately...the people who seek their medical advice from politicians and Facebook aren't here to listen however. Outstanding as usual.

  • @melissarabe6054
    @melissarabe6054 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for your continued efforts on our behalf.

  • @JoseDavidTorres
    @JoseDavidTorres 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I got infected March 2021, very mild case. Never left my home, O2 saturation always above 95%, no fever, barely had a cough but the weeks after it, I started developing really weird symptoms. Palpitations in multiple parts of my body, but mainly chest, neck and head. My breathing started feeling weird and til this day it is. Like my lungs always feel hungry for air no matter how deep I breathe. Muscle spams, anxiety attacks out of nowhere without being triggered by anything, everything I eat hits like a brick on my stomach, I feel bloated no matter what I eat or at what time of day.
    Something that always caught my eye is that my Lymphocyte count always came back above normal range. Last blood test I had done was the highest. Almost 50% when the normal count is supposed to be between 20-40%. My physician said it wasn't something to worry about but I don't know. Is it?

  • @MMTLP
    @MMTLP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Somewhere I saw a recent study published in the journal, Gut, that observed that long Covid patients had a dysfunctional gut microbiome compared to normal patients. 136 subjects total, 68 long covid. Wonder how it all relates.

  • @WellWithHels
    @WellWithHels 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    SO, so interesting!! Thank you for sharing and sending love to anyone else suffering right now ❤ x

  • @judyk2987
    @judyk2987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Thank you, Dr. Seheult! I live in NYC and read about the apparent common vitamin D deficiency in hospitalized COVID patients in the beginning of our quarantine (March 2020) and it seemed logical to me as an RN so I have taken a supplement daily. 🙏🏽 I have not contracted the virus….yet. Thank you for the reinforcement.

  • @cagin5
    @cagin5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ty medcram for all your work and helping us understand

  • @gerardvriend729
    @gerardvriend729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Thanks for this information.
    I’m not sure if anyone reads this but; Why don’t we try vitamin K with D and Magnesium. ? It’s a balance

  • @annalisette5897
    @annalisette5897 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Before SARS-CoV-2 appeared, in my geographical area we had a series of outbreaks our doctors said were viral. These tested negative for influenza. Our doctors called then "unknown" "really tough" viruses though there were no diagnostic tests to identify the causative agent(s).
    The illnesses began like a regular cold but within about 48 hours, the intestines were ravaged. Many patients required weeks or months to recover and some were lucky to get over bloody diarrhea in 9 months. Following the attack on the intestines, neurological symptoms and skin rashes occurred in some. Some never fully recovered, having acquired ME (chronic fatigue in U.S. jargon), or fibromyalgia.
    This video is extremely interesting in that differential diagnosis of a similar condition is explained. (Where I am from, a patient has to "get well" in about 21 days or get sent to mental health as a hypochondriac. Many of us are smart enough to shut up and do the best we can.) I begged my doctors for tests to see what was persisting inside of me and was told there was no way to test.
    Considering the desperate illness that COVID leaves in its wake, these sorts of tests must be taught to doctors and must be available for suffering patients! If patients had been listened to and taken seriously in years prior, we might have been ahead of things when SARS-CoV-2 arrived. Many, many people have been destroyed with 'long COVID'-type syndromes, apparently caused by other viruses. Had these patients not been marginalized, criticized, judged and dismissed, maybe we would have tests and treatments for a number of post-viral syndromes, including 'long COVID'!

    • @TurtleMoonTube
      @TurtleMoonTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Calprotectin is a very common stool test--and gives good reason to do endoscopy if high, but, ofcourse, is non-specific. The blood tests are pretty standard in search for unknown illness. Biopsy during endoscopy is also pretty standard. The antibody test on the smear is the only specific test here and, ofcourse not standard. I dont know if it's common for post covid patients with ongoing intestinal symptoms - that's outside of my knowledge.

    • @vereen70
      @vereen70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had allergies to things I never had in my life after I recovered from getting Covid in June 2020 at the start of the pandemic. My throat was closing after eating foods that I ate regularly all my life with no issues just a couple months earlier. I suffered for almost a year then once I received my 1st vaccine shot my allergies subsided about 80%, my 2nd shot reduced it by 95% and I just got my 3rd yesterday 🤞

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      IMO, a major problem in treating "long covid" (I guess it is officially PASC now) is a shortage of people who are willing and prepared for the long, slow gain battle against ME/CFS. The most willing are the sufferers themselves but a cadre of doctors and patients are gradually making progress.
      I have not seen low vitamin D levels identified as one of the many culprits, but I have not heard of it being ruled out. Nothing seems to be very protective and nothing seems to be heroic in treatment. N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) is the most promising but is not available over the counter in the US because it is an approved drug. (I know that sounds crazy, but being approved means it is subject to regulation.) Nicotinic acid - one of the family of chemicals that are often called niacin - is also helpful, but within the frustratingly low limits of help any of the supplements provide. The top treatment today is behavioral: ruthlessly avoid unnecessary physical exertion unless it is part of a plan, and the same with racking one's brain or emotional excess. Got that? If you have a condition that is shredding your life, don't get upset. Sorry - that is how it works.
      I am not a long hauler - I've never been infected - but I see it as a seriously under-recognized problem. Millions around the world can't return to work because their entire daily activity budget is spent just getting dressed... it may take hours. Living like that is maddening but getting mad makes it worse.
      My favorite "long hauler" channel is RUN-DMC / Gez Medinger; lots of information, lots of resources, including interviews with the many clinicians in his circle of resources.

    • @darilekron4590
      @darilekron4590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Have the doctors checked your tryptase levels to see if you have a Mast Cell disorder? Viruses can trigger Mast Cell activation.

  • @bobthrasher8226
    @bobthrasher8226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Would be nice if "health class" in high school actually taught about things like vitamin D.

  • @jonmason9360
    @jonmason9360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you!
    Much to learn in these times.... Powerful work!

  • @PeopleHealthTru
    @PeopleHealthTru 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many more people will listen to videos of 10 minute or less. Under 5 minutes is best. Thank you.

  • @io132
    @io132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I’ve had lots of IBS D and multiple colonoscopies - I have recently found vitamins and vitamin d to help me! Hoping this continues.

  • @michaelbarnhart8479
    @michaelbarnhart8479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    “There’s always been a question”??? Dr. Bruce Paterson’s team identified the root cause of long COVID back when saying “Long COVID” was considered spreading “misinformation”. He should win the Nobel Prize for the wonderful work they’ve done and continue to do for people who struggling and go ignored.

  • @nicoledburns82
    @nicoledburns82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    2 weeks ago my 16 year old son was sick and tested positive for covid. He had a fever and headache for a day then broke the fever overnight and was fine since then. My 2 other kids, my husband and myself all tested negative on day 3 and day 5 (tests needed for school return). The only difference is the other 4 of us have been taking our vitamins which included 5000ui d3 for me and 2000ui for the other 3. My 16 year old had not been taking his as he didn't think he needed it. He tested positive on day 1, day 5 and day 7. I can't say for sure it was the vitamins but that was the only difference as we don't isolate our kids when sick and eat at the dinner table together most nights. I'm going to assume it was our vitamins.

  • @robeclectic9449
    @robeclectic9449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    What's the difference between Long Covid and Post Viral Fatigue? My doc back in the early 2000's was on the team that discovered vitamin D3 cures post viral fatigue. So it works for 'Long Covid' too... funny that!

  • @CanadianOptionsTrader
    @CanadianOptionsTrader 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It's definitely the time of year when everyone in Northern climates should be thinking about Vitamin D deficiency and supplementation.

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      All year. 50% of Americans are obese.

    • @darilekron4590
      @darilekron4590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even more so up there in Canada. I'm south a few hundred miles from Canada and supplement year round (larger dose in winter than summer).

  • @janetwalsh7961
    @janetwalsh7961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I have had a problem with Vitamin D levels for some time. My GP refused to help me with this she said just go outside when the sun is out. This is Britain just imagine one does not see the sun regularly. I noticed my feet was burning me so much which made it difficult to walk. I looked this up and find that this was a sign of very low Vitamin D. I bought a packet and started to take these and within weeks the symptoms started to be less. I don't know why doctors are so reluctant to recommend this for people with a problem with their Vitamin D

    • @user-ys7ur5em1k
      @user-ys7ur5em1k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sometimes doctors are mindless drones. They aren't all like Doctor Sheultz.

  • @Materialworld4
    @Materialworld4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Thank you for your insights, and excellent explanation of the critical role that Vitamin D plays in ameliorating the symptoms of Long Covid. almost no one talks about this aspect of the Pandemic we currently find ourselves struggling with on so many levels.

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Long covid almost always “anxiety” aka mental Meath not physical. Much fear propaganda.

    • @leiatyndall8648
      @leiatyndall8648 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The stress/fear factor lso gets ignored, I've noticed. People haven't been told abt deficiencies, their effects, or how to fix them, so they're constantly worrying. And no one tells them how negatively stress/fear affect the immune system. It's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • @ericwarmath1091
    @ericwarmath1091 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There is also the recent article out of switzerland about insufficient magnesium and improperly functioning killer T cells. Magnesium is an activator of vitamin D so a shortage of either D or mag, could synergistically contribute. No vitamin or mineral works alone, most folks miss that. The possible exception to that is vitamin E as it is the only lipid antioxidant and in have not encountered and other vitamins and minerals closely associated to it.

  • @rlwings
    @rlwings 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    My long covid symptoms after 22 months seem to be localized in my brain. (Brain fog, tinnitus, anxiety and moods). Perhaps the described mechanism found in the intestines can also occur in the brain, CNS. - Definitely experienced incremental improvement over 3 vaccines... Also, I started taking Vitamin D3 about a year ago in larger doses (10,000IU\day) due to lack of sun exposure, but haven't noticed much improvement in long covid symptoms. I think D3 levels need to be present prior to infection, but do little after the damage is done... Did however develop better mood and sleep due to D3 as well as a general sense of well-being... Important to note that in order to 'activate' D3 one must also take magnesium. K2 should also be taken to control calcium levels in the blood.

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very interesting case study Doc. It's to bad that there was no indication as to how the child was doing with treatment. I really hope that her symptoms completely resolved. Hopefully this pandemic will be over soon & we can all get back to normalcy!

  • @richardjanics1863
    @richardjanics1863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think it could be argued that vitamin D deficiency could be a comorbidity.

  • @earnestthompson5136
    @earnestthompson5136 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent visuals with clear explanations. Thank you again!

  • @garygrant9612
    @garygrant9612 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For the majority of patients hospitalized or died, the majority had low vitamin D levels.

  • @studentaccount4354
    @studentaccount4354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you. You are awesome!

  • @txczyhorsenative6010
    @txczyhorsenative6010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I got tested for covid January 22, 2022 and was postive. The symptoms I had were sinus pressure, runny nose, cough, sore itchy throat, and congestion. It is now February February 15th of 2022 and I still cannot get rid of the cough.

  • @thomasirai3022
    @thomasirai3022 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thankyou for this wonderful presentation
    ...it will help millions of innocent people across the globe...Thankyou..

  • @lukew4382
    @lukew4382 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ACE2 and TMPRSS2 are not only coexpressed in lung AT2 cells and oesophageal upper epithelial and gland cells but also highly expressed in absorptive enterocytes from the ileum and colon. Future finding and covid patients hospital data will also show I think digestive issues as well as lung issues. Future treatments will also I think involve the digestive process.

  • @TurtleMoonTube
    @TurtleMoonTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks MedCram for sharing this. Useful and interesty.

  • @rickfucci4512
    @rickfucci4512 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for filtering that up..

  • @ArtfullyMusingLaura
    @ArtfullyMusingLaura 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks for the info. The poor kid who had to go through all those tests.

  • @oibal60
    @oibal60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks again. Long-time subber.

  • @terrywbreedlove
    @terrywbreedlove 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Living here in the Pacific Northwest under heavy clouds all winter. I have been taking D3+K in Coconut oil. Just because of the poor sunlight good to know it can help with Covid complications

  • @iainmalcolm9583
    @iainmalcolm9583 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many thanks for another clear explanation.

  • @wildhorses6817
    @wildhorses6817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you Dr Seheult and MedCram Team. The Blood tests for Nucleopeptide, Membrane and Envelope after a COVID infection are important then? Are those tests commonly ordered in USA ? Doctors in other Countries order those. Also, the intestinal mucosa seems very involved in COVID. Please discuss.

    • @ytcomms3945
      @ytcomms3945 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      GErdosi on Twitter often brings up gut related research articles with respect to covid.

  • @twinpop8392
    @twinpop8392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info and Dr.

  • @deruiz1478
    @deruiz1478 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm outside 8 hours a day in Florida, I hardly get sick, one symptomatic flu in 10 years, and I'm exposed to hundreds of people a week, I think it's the Vitamin D from exposure to sunlight.

    • @jellyd4889
      @jellyd4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You expose yourself to 100s a week? What is their reaction to this fortune?

  • @davehay2907
    @davehay2907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Interesting paper and video. When I was 17, long before Covid, I developed identical symptoms after a viral infection. My blood tests were all normal as were physical examinations, though I didn't have colonoscopy it endoscopy. My symptoms persisted from January to around June (northern hemisphere, latitude 53.8N, so higher then NY). In the summer they disappeared completely and I then made a full recovery. Yes, n=1 and anecdotal, but potentially vitamin D related.
    In the case of the young girl is it possible her intestinal issues caused D depletion by malabsorption rather than D deficiency causing her disease?

  • @ms-jl6dl
    @ms-jl6dl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Very interesting. Any possibility for reactivation of EBV virus as a contributor to long covid?

    • @andrewstrakele6815
      @andrewstrakele6815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It is very possible. Check out Gez Medinger’s and Dan Neuffer’s TH-cam Channels. Recent research indicates Long Covid results from Inflammation of the Brain, resulting in dysfunction of the Autonomic Nervous System that results in many debilitating symptoms throughout the Body.
      It is similar to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome / ME / Fibromyalgia / Lyme disease and may be triggered by a viral infection, traumatic injury or surgery, or a High Stress situation, such as loss of a loved one.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andrewstrakele6815 I 100% agree - Gez's channel is by far the best "long covid" channel I have found. Now I have to check out Dan Neuffer's channel!
      As for whether the virus, both in the case of EB and the case of SARS-CoV-2, is still resident may be a moot point. All the efforts are now to find solutions and to determine how those help once they are identified. Still, viruses that infect the nervous system are notoriously hard to treat. Rabies is a case in point, as is polio once it gets into the nervous system. I presume that is because there is essentially no immune process that includes the nervous system.

  • @jaynamk5976
    @jaynamk5976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Isn’t it interesting that ESR or CRP blood tests didn’t show the inflammation. But the colonoscopy showed there was an inflammation!

    • @k.pep.1253
      @k.pep.1253 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very.

    • @TurtleMoonTube
      @TurtleMoonTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not strange really. I have ulcerative colitis (inflammatory bowel disease) and my ESR, CRP, CMP... are all always normal even when bleeding and lesions visible on colonoscopy. My Calprotectin can be elevated.

  • @lisainnewarknj8313
    @lisainnewarknj8313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your leadership. Please continue to lead us on Long COVID. Best Regards.

  • @casielee18
    @casielee18 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Anyone who has had Covid needs to be taking quercetin, turmeric, vitamins c & d, magnesium spray is also very important and if you’re still suffering from long Covid look into LDN.

  • @realityiscool9483
    @realityiscool9483 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've had symptoms since October of 2022. It comes and goes. I'm down to about 2 days a week I get chest tightness, and nasal inflammation. I've been using a nebulizer with saline and it's helped, but not healing anything. I try and stay away from Afrin, but if necessary, I've give one shot up one nostril and it will open me up enough for relief. Fatigue, anxiety, depression seem to creep in too. It's been a mental battle. I'm going to crank up my vitamin D intake.

  • @Bob_Adkins
    @Bob_Adkins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This reminds me of disseminated viral infections caused by EB, cytomegalovirus, and the herpes family. I think they are far more prevalent and cause far more misery and poor health than doctors realize.

    • @wildhorses6817
      @wildhorses6817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, absolutely. Dr Bruce Patterson confirms this in his research studies. See IncellDX.
      He is treating with antivirals, statins, ivm, etc. See his discussions on TH-cam.

    • @andrewstrakele6815
      @andrewstrakele6815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Low Vitamin D allows these viruses to come out of remission. See th-cam.com/video/qEjWewc2TJY/w-d-xo.html .

    • @rosiehawtrey
      @rosiehawtrey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wonder why the doctors don't bother with these viruses. I bet I can guess.
      And the band played on - Randy Shilts.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rosiehawtrey There is a much more prosaic reason so few doctors do battle with these maladies (not all are viral). It is the proverbial stone wall to beat one's head against; the chance of any individual doctor doing much good is very small because so little is understood about the condition. There are very limited therapies, which have widely varying effectiveness from none at all to very significant relief. Few - if any - of the victims fully recover but many recover enough to live a reasonably normal life. This is the province of clinics, not individual practitioners. In the US Mayo has an active program that is chipping away at the stone wall.

  • @nrs6956
    @nrs6956 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Very good presentation.

  • @lstanciu8503
    @lstanciu8503 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    .....the need for LC therapeutic interventions, including vaccination (27), monoclonal antibody therapy (28,29), or corticosteroid therapy (30).....
    I am not sure about corticotherapy, if, indeed, is a persistent viral infection.

  • @andrewfinlay5160
    @andrewfinlay5160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Most people in the ICU have VitD levels below 20 ngml... clinical trials says if your a senior and have respieritory infections and VitD levels are below 25 ngml your chance of a bad outcomes increases tremendously..

  • @401ksolar
    @401ksolar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok so would this explain why I personally know some people (and their dogs) have been complaining about severe intestinal blockages resembling sand? ( One dogs vet said the blockage resembled sand he would expect in a lung patient, upon surgical removal. Just curious because I have been hearing about similar issues.(I checked what that vet called it he said it was resembling ground-glass was his term)

  • @josephtpg2205
    @josephtpg2205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Dr has a point. I have long covid. I do lawn care. I walk 5 miles a day. During the year and a half, I takecoepto and antihistamine every 3 nights. I also take cold ease every other month. I also take b and c vitamins. And eat potassium foods. I also eat anti-inflammatory spices and herbs.

  • @vanessagust4801
    @vanessagust4801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been struggling the last couple weeks with tachycardia and palpitations. Can hardly do housework or errands. I had covid 5 weeks ago, and now my heart rate is 100-115 doing simple things. SInce last week I've had at least three tachcardic episodes (our daughter measured on at 166 bpm). I'm exhausted and concerned. Echo showed small pericardial effusion (taking a couple ibuprofen 2x day, as the Dr. didn't think a steroid was necessary), ECC was unremarkable, and 48 hr. Holter showea 345 PVCs/13 PACs; 44-150 bpm, unremarkable. I'm having panic attacks like I've never had before, and putting my feet up and resting keeps my HR in 100-115. Any idead for help? Thank-you...

  • @imamazing2344
    @imamazing2344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work doc

  • @animeshnot8
    @animeshnot8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was so far under Impression that long Covid is due to chronic inflammation and there is no virus carrier state. But finding off persistent remnants of Covid virus in the tissue, three months later. That’s a very scary to me. Does it mean that viruses able to survive intracellular early just like DNA viruses off hepatitis B and multiple other viruses?

  • @richie1047
    @richie1047 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very beautifully explained.

  • @crow4130
    @crow4130 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This same thing happened to me, but mine was 10/10 pain , have 37 lb wt loss and was placed on ppi . I have all low wbc , rec, ,Lytes , etc… lost in the world of specialists now and none of them collaborate.

  • @sukeshjph
    @sukeshjph 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started taking 70-90k IU per week and never felt better in my life. However never take high doses vitamin d without Vitamin K2 and Magnesium. High doses of vitamin d cause magnesium and k2 deficiency. I take Vitamin d3 weekly and take k2 and magnesium, boron everyday.

  • @JazzyB9481
    @JazzyB9481 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I know a nurse who treats covid patients and she told me they don't normally even measure vitamin d levels when people are hospitalized with covid 😒 she always tells me how many people were vaccinated/unvaccinated in the hospital but when I ask how many were vitamin d deficient she goes 🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️ so frustrating that hospitals are ignoring this.

  • @sonnybowman
    @sonnybowman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought that I might forward my results(2) over the last year of 25 Hydroxyvitamin D. From the Fall of 2020 until June 2nd of 2021 I had consistently taken 2,000 UI of D3 in the morning along with 2,000 UI of D3 in the evening. Also in the evening, I took a pill consisting of an additional 1,000 UI/25 mcg of D3 and 120 mcg of K2. My blood test results were 112 nmol/L with the recommended being 75-250 nmol. I stopped taking the 4,000 UI of D3 after the June blood test but maintained the D3/K2 pill until December 2021. I was re-tested on January 21, 2022, when my 25 Hydroxyvitamin D results were 90 nmol/L. My normal diet throughout the year has included canned Salmon, Tuna, and Herring along with eggs, cheese, and Fish Oils(Omega 3). I should mention that my white/pink skin will usually turn a golden brown during the summertime.

  • @bersl2
    @bersl2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What could be the mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2 would maintain a reservoir in the intestinal tissue? Is adaptive immunity not able to be effective so close to the intestinal wall? This is really curious.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know the answer, but we do know that bacteria (flora) have to thrive inside the small intestine.

  • @Aquarious82176
    @Aquarious82176 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I had been feeling very unwell for weeks. I was convinced i had covid (as I had been very ill dec-feb 1920-21. I even collapsed and broke my ankle and my recent illness really felt like covid. I had a blood test which showed my vitamin D level under 11. Dr put me on 40,000 of vitamin D twice a week. I can tell you 4 weeks later I feel so well. Vitamin D can cause a problem with calcium so have to have another blood test. By the way I am 81 yrs of age.

  • @jamesmason7979
    @jamesmason7979 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been dealing with COVID for going on two months. My doctor just ran similar tests on me two days ago and prescribed a vitamin D supplement today. After watching this video I understand why.

  • @bryanutility9609
    @bryanutility9609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why don’t health authorities recommend VD and instead only punish the unvaxxed?

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      They beat that drum for decades when I was younger and it never made any difference. The same reasons people refuse to be vaccinated are the ones that makes them refuse vitamin supplements: they pathologically hate to be told what they should do.

    • @garygrant9612
      @garygrant9612 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!!

  • @andreiturca
    @andreiturca 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Interesting information. I had mild gluten intolerance before I had a mild covid 20 months ago. Along the way I started to develop multiple food intolerances. I am starting to get better now after 20 months. Maybe I was having the virus still living in the intesgines and creating imblances and damage to the gut.

  • @mgromz
    @mgromz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m a long hauler and was in ICU with double covid pneumonia, sepsis and ARDS for 3 weeks. Test results showed I was low in D3 and iron. I now MAKE SURE to supplement daily with both.

  • @arsh9378
    @arsh9378 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very valuable information 👌

  • @ivettesantana4319
    @ivettesantana4319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    did they give her probiotics? did they cut dairy or go on Anti-inflammatory diet.

  • @nativestrong2330
    @nativestrong2330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've notice over a long period of time with my 3 kids which we are natives and catching covid-19 twice all of the times I've notice my kids getting sick all 3 of my kids carved milk each time.So why would doctors for many years tell patients to stay away from milk when you are sick.Makes me think about doctors if they just want us to get worse.

  • @alenaduplantier4505
    @alenaduplantier4505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just had covid last week it gave me body aches and head ache with no appetite also had cough with pleghm it took me two days to recover with sligth cough now Iam completely okay with little bit of sticky pleghm but I feel good now

    • @babblingalong7689
      @babblingalong7689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glad to hear. Did you supplement Vit D?

    • @alenaduplantier4505
      @alenaduplantier4505 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No I never took any supplement I just rest and lay down🙂🙂🙂🙂

  • @hdfitting
    @hdfitting 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have had long covid for over a year and all of my vitamin levels are low.

  • @imlon2
    @imlon2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Interesting.. My wife had really bad headaches (main symptom) when she got Covid and it lasted for over 2 weeks.. I told her to take 8,000 IU of Vitamin D3. Headache went away, within in the hour and has not come back. that was over 2 weeks ago..

    • @TurtleMoonTube
      @TurtleMoonTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Vit D supplementation may or may not have played a role. May not beable to work so dorreally and so quickly. And, there are other reasons for headaches. I am retried biologist and have had long-covid. I had the headaches at beginning of infection that went away on it's own. then came back though I've been supplementary daily with 5000 IU vit D. Blood tests showed that I raised my serum Vit D to 60-80 range. Magnesium and riboflavin, commonly used for migraines, seemed to be what got my headaches under control. But, as with your vit D experience, I have no proof that this is the reason - but likely as it has research to support it's effectiveness in treating migraines and seems to be helping many patients with these headaches.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can't hurt, might help.

  • @Radar101music
    @Radar101music 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had omicron on the 1st of January. I recovered 4-5 days later. The 28th of January, 3 weeks after recovery, I begin to feel some very strange neck stiffness. I have done all the bloodwork but it shows nothing. My cervical lymph-nodes have been swollen since the 28th of January, so for 3 weeks now. I have fatigue and my neck isnt stiff anymore, rather it feels really weak and I can't keep my head up for too long. Has anyone else had similar symptoms?

  • @SoldattoHD
    @SoldattoHD 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How peculiar, I've got notifications on and this didn't come up..

  • @bobthrasher8226
    @bobthrasher8226 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would the type of vaccine (as therapy) be an important consideration? E.G. would we want a vax that produced nucleocapsid antibodies? Why aren't there already antibodies to this protein in the intestinal mucosa?

    • @mv3325
      @mv3325 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The vaccines only produces the spike protein. Wild infection produces nucleocapsid antibodies.

  • @leslievalenciano-lopez8887
    @leslievalenciano-lopez8887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How interesting! As someone with long Covid symptoms (Delta) and now with Covid (Omicron) I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Do you know if Loma Linda is doing any studies for people in my situation?

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Where you vaxxed? Are you taking antivirals? I was unvaxxed sick 2 days. I take all the supplements.

    • @wildhorses6817
      @wildhorses6817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dr Bruce Patterson is doing research , testing, tx. IncellDX.

    • @andrewstrakele6815
      @andrewstrakele6815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Check out Gez Medinger’s TH-cam Channel. Gez is an MD with Long COVID. There are very good suggestions for treatment options on that Channel. 👍

    • @theeggtimertictic1136
      @theeggtimertictic1136 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hope you get well soon from Omicron 😌

    • @leslievalenciano-lopez8887
      @leslievalenciano-lopez8887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bryanutility9609 that’s wonderful that you recovered so quickly! I’m not vaxxed, but taking all of the supplements as well. I did have access to ivermectin, but decided not to take it.

  • @terminator7384
    @terminator7384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is strange I am 34 I live in New York as well. I had contracted covid in March of last year. It was nothing bad at all. I felt fine in 10 days. It was not for an additional 3 weeks I started having pain, digestion issues, general foggy feeling and lack of energy I have been going through this for a year now. My Dr. Has started me on a 50Mu vitamin D once a week. I have been doing this for 5 weeks now it has helped with my energy level. The pain in my abdomen has not been effected by this , so far anyway. I am hoping it just goes away soon after all this time with little to no answers

  • @fatbelly27
    @fatbelly27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dr Campbell has been talking about vitamin D on his channel for 2 years. I have been taking supplemental Vitamin D each winter and trying to get summer sun. New York is more southerly than where I am at 50 degrees north.

  • @col8179
    @col8179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just recoverd from covid after 2 days. I had a headache and body aches and sore throat, and have lost most of my taste, but it only felt like a cold. I take 4000iu of vitamin d a day. My wife takes around 2000iu and she has mild symptoms. My kids (5 & 1) take 600iu and 400iu respectfully and they show no symptoms. I really think it helped.

  • @briangriffiths114
    @briangriffiths114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting and well explained video.

  • @maryjoseph5485
    @maryjoseph5485 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent information.Thank you.🙏🙏

  • @zippydo2678
    @zippydo2678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Me and my husband had been taking 2000 iu of vitamin D daily and blood tests showed good levels in our systems. We both got Covid. He died, I almost died. So much for vitamin D!

    • @patriciaboatman8423
      @patriciaboatman8423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm so sorry. My husband and I got covid. He got over it within 3 weeks. I'm in my 4th month and still having breathing struggles. I have the long covid. I went to an internal medicine Dr and she told me to stop taking vitamin D- ivermectin-antibiotic and my multivitamins. A disgrace for a Dr.
      I've got a LOT of issues covid has damaged. I have purple/gray lunar covering 1/2 if my nails. I'll see my hematologist in 3 weeks.

  • @Surrealitivity
    @Surrealitivity 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Zonulin explained for your next SARS videos about the gut-brain and brain fog hypothesis?

    • @Surrealitivity
      @Surrealitivity 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @medcram you should connect with Dr. Marshall with his fascinating vitamin D research on the immune system

  • @masterdriveroftoyotazupr4164
    @masterdriveroftoyotazupr4164 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    My Buddy's 5 year old daughter tested positive for Covid 2 weeks ago. My friend had multiple tests done through-out the 2 weeks (PCR, Rapid, etc) all negative. I believe it's because of his high levels of Vitamin D. He's a Meter Reader. His daily routes is around 10-12 miles long. That's a lot of Sunlight exposure. He share's custody with his daughter's mom, she tested positive. She works from home.

    • @theeggtimertictic1136
      @theeggtimertictic1136 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My daughter (18) had Omicron 2 weeks ago and no one else in our house caught it ... Very strange.

    • @tim_koch14
      @tim_koch14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I was taking vitamin D before getting infected with the Delta variant in October, my blood level was above 40 ng/L. Still got ill (like a flu), but I recovered well. Vitamin D doesn't guarantee you don't get Covid, but it helps you survive and recover more reliably.

    • @carleenturner1348
      @carleenturner1348 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I work in public schools, unvaccinated for COVID. Take 10000 iu of D3 and 100 mcg of K2. 2 weeks ago I finally thought I had Covid(Omicron), headache, loss of taste and smell and very lethargic, no fever. 2 rapid test and a CPR all negative. After 5 days back to normal. Did have conjunctivitis bi lateral eyes, 2 days at day 8. No one in family sick, everyone in household takes D3 and K2....Yes Big Pharma...no vaccine.

    • @laurengrace4051
      @laurengrace4051 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tim_koch14 40 is still considered suboptimal. The lower thresholds are often set for symptomatic disease, not optimal level.

  • @ahunvodela7176
    @ahunvodela7176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very interesting theory. thanks Doc.

  • @orangejuice4332
    @orangejuice4332 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to know the criteria at which the antibody infusion is given and when there is no benefit for it to be given.

  • @mintsaturn
    @mintsaturn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My digestive tract has been totally effed up since i had covid 2 months ago. I think my liver is pretty messed up too :(

  • @dougemd1
    @dougemd1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    It would’ve been interesting to add the ethnicity of the patient. If she is African-American that would be a strong contributing factor in the vitamin D deficiency.
    The level of vitamin D deficiency in this community may be a contributing factor in so many other conditions also.
    My wife also pointed out that there was no mention as to whether or not she had started to menstruate yet, as this would be another stressor in her case.

    • @agriperma
      @agriperma 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also they mentioned NY , if we assume they are talking about the city, you get very little direct sunlight between those buildings. and unless the parents take the child out to a park or something on a regular basis, it's no surprise D levels would be low.

    • @darilekron4590
      @darilekron4590 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@agriperma Only about 6 months during the year in NY would you be able to get vitamin D from the sun and the exposure needs to be close to the solar noon (11am - 1 generally. Roger Seheult mentioned in a video at least a year ago that he needed to increase his vitamin D dose despite being close to the Southern border in SoCal.

    • @nicoledburns82
      @nicoledburns82 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed anemia can cause all kinds of issues too.

  • @pajor1746
    @pajor1746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Anyone experience neuropathy issues after recovering from covid?

  • @stephaniehand503
    @stephaniehand503 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you

  • @MariaOrtiz-il9fq
    @MariaOrtiz-il9fq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had Delta in November and still have inflammation in my lungs. Will vitamin D help?

  • @tdahlseng6159
    @tdahlseng6159 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check for damaged mitochondria’s?

  • @globetwig4401
    @globetwig4401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Melatonin is required to utilise vitamin D. This is usually indirectly produced in the body by (safe and appropriate) retinal exposure to sunlight. Supplementation of Vitamin D (Cholecalciferol/Ergocalciferol) is most effective when let the sun trigger all the other biological processes to absorb, assimilate and utilise.

    • @wisconsinwoodsman1987
      @wisconsinwoodsman1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If I remember correctly, D can suppress melatonin and why it has been suggested that D not be taken at night. Melatonin is wonderful as an anti-inflammatory as well as an aid in sleeping. Taking k2 with D3 to make optimal use of calcium has been suggested. Also, take magnesium with D as they complement each other. Be healthy!

  • @Brandon-nj5wy
    @Brandon-nj5wy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I had long covid after mild infection. I was taking 10k IU everyday as soon as I found out I had covid. I tested couple months later and vit D was 42 which is not bad maybe even good. I don't know what my levels were before infection unfortunately so I could have been low also I'm obese which makes vit D low by default I think.
    Anyway I got better after taking Fluvoxamine and then the vaccine helped I believe too. Now I'm all good beside the permanent anxiety lol. I begged my GP for steroids or IVM, but they wouldnt give me. Thankfully I convinced to give me fluvoxamine after showing some studies with covid.
    Bottom line Vit D plays a big role in covid infection morbidity and mortality. Media should be screaming about that not JUST get the vaccine or you die.

    • @englishbullterrier847
      @englishbullterrier847 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Intact vitamin-D (non-converted to prohormone 25(oh)D=24hour half life,
      Prohormone 25(oh)D (what they measure in your blood) =3week half-life active hormone 1-25 (oh) D=2hour half life.
      Intact vitamin D can be taken through the entire activation process 25(oh)D (prohormone) in many tissues throughout the body (immune system/cells, not just the liver. It is actually easier for the intact vitamin-D to get into the immune cells because of how tightly 25(oh)D is bound to the vitamin-D binding protein.
      If your25(oh) D(prohormone) levels are low, the bodies first priority (skeletal system) is to get them up to (40ng to 60ng) and will rapidly start using most of the intact vitamin-D to do this. Which leaves little intact vitamin-D to fully support the immune system.
      This is why it is important to have both optimal 25(oh)D/prohormone levels(60ng - 100ng), and also to have good daily circulating intact vitamin-D levels, this is also probably why doing the vitamin-D hammer is effective when you are sick, you are getting lots of intact vitamin - D into your system/cells.
      This is also the reason why you want to take it daily and not weekly or monthly because intact vitamin - D only has a 24 hour half life.
      Also magnesium is a huge co-factor for vitamin-D, it is needed to take vitamin - D through the activation process. So green veggies or supplements.
      1) maintain 25(oh)D levels above 60ng/ml, safe range 60ng/ml to 100ng/ml.
      2)take daily to have circulating intact vitamin-D.
      3) daily magnesium in your diet, green veggies or supplements.
      4) vitamin - D hammer when sick 30,000iu a day for few days (3to5).
      5) vitamin-D is not toxic, safe up to 200 ng/ml levels.
      6) enjoy being healthier, and the great reduction in autoimmune diseases, inflammatory diseases and cancers.

    • @TurtleMoonTube
      @TurtleMoonTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      lab may say 42 is in normal range. But. many experts in medicine and research would still say that 42 is low.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don't want to go down the steroid path unless the doctor is recommending it, and even then ask about the plan. One of our sons was prednisone dependent from age 6 to 13 to treat moderately severe asthma - inhaled steroids were not available back then. To get off prednisone required 3 months inpatient treatment at National Jewish Hospital in Denver. They were able to get most of the bill paid (it was 8 times what we had just paid for our house) by Colorado Medicaid and our insurance company. It is becoming clear he will not outlive me; his spine is quite literally crumbling so that some of the surgeries make it worse. He had an aortic dissection several years ago. His eyesight is marginal at best. Using corticosteroids is truly a deal with the Devil: you will be better today but worse all of your tomorrows.
      Do as you see fit, but off-label use of medications is discouraged for all sorts of good reasons. India gave up on that particular one last September because their experience in the April/May horror showed "little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient" and "there was no clarity on mortality benefit, no effect on length of hospital stay and recovery" with IVM. From India Today September 26, 2021.

    • @ramroddrone5449
      @ramroddrone5449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TurtleMoonTube 42 is way too low

  • @grettalemabouchou6779
    @grettalemabouchou6779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Abdominal pain most likely due to inflammation in this little one. I am dealing with fatigue and mild inflammation....mild due to Vitamin D3 supplement of 20,000 IU daily.

    • @TurtleMoonTube
      @TurtleMoonTube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that a very high dose of Vit D. If you keep that dose, you should talk to your doctor and maybe test serum vit D. Too high vit D can also be a real problem.

  • @jakeaurod
    @jakeaurod 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had to go back and double check that the placenta was a control sample and not from the subject of the article.