Latin Phonetics Part 1: Vowels

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  • @adilsongoliveira
    @adilsongoliveira 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    The last Latin I heard was "I have a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome called 'Biggus Dickus'." 😁

    • @chriscasperson5927
      @chriscasperson5927 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Romanes eunt domus!

    • @DanielQwerty
      @DanielQwerty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@chriscasperson5927 Nominative? That's motion towards isn't it boy!

    • @thegameplaymemer3248
      @thegameplaymemer3248 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      "He has a wife you know.."

    • @yugimotobutjacked3231
      @yugimotobutjacked3231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fun "Fact" it originally wasn't in script for the guards to laugh, they were supposed to stand stoicly however forget the blokes name found it so funny making them laugh they decided to play on it. (probably made up story, I read it on another TH-cam comment fyi)

  • @minepur_ka_raja9867
    @minepur_ka_raja9867 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I never thought you would make a latin video ever in my life

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bro finished science

    • @gabor6259
      @gabor6259 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@objective_psychology Linguistics is a science.

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gabor6259Correct we even have cases were predictions were made and then proven to be true like the Proto-Indo-European laryngeal theory.

    • @DT2PZ0
      @DT2PZ0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How do you say. Princess Dave is terrified to debate austin witsit

    • @cetologist
      @cetologist 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@gabor6259Yes, but this isn't linguistics, this is Latin, it's language education/learning. Languages are to linguistics as humans are to anthropology.

  • @himecinda
    @himecinda 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I took Latin in highschool. Now in college taking Anatomy and Physiology, I heard you use “colloquial” in an anatomy video and was excited to find this. Thank you for reinvigorating a Latin learning passion!

  • @joachimbramson1991
    @joachimbramson1991 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm so happy you're making videos on classical latin. I've been learning latin on and off for a few years and I love the language but cannot find the motivation to keep learning as I can't exactly speak it with others

    • @jerryweirdspeed8943
      @jerryweirdspeed8943 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go to Sardinia! But I have to agree. His pronunciation is good. The lecture is well done. I had to think a little what he meant with the German u sound but yeah. He probably means this one ü which is in deed different from u even in German.

  • @kristinabruk3260
    @kristinabruk3260 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Couldn’t wait for this one, thank you so much Professor! ❤

  • @DanielQwerty
    @DanielQwerty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Great Video! It's very cool to see you do Latin now. It seems that alot of people that learn Italian move onto Latin afterwards. However, there are 2 things dubious I noticed. First off, the letter "y" is supposed to be pronounced like the greek (Greek υ, IPA /y/) in classical latin. This was a foreign sound that the upper class Romans did learn to pronounce, but the lower classes didn't, leading to the same sound as "i" in late and ecclesiastical Latin. Second, the diphthongs are not just 2 vowels, but more like 1 short that slides to 1 long. For example, "eye" in English is a diphthong, equivelent to "ai" in latin. It IS the sounds "a" and "i" but super fast. You wouldn't say "I have 2 ah-ees". Same with "ae" but it's "a" and "e" super fast. Other than that awesome video, I can't wait for more.

    • @pedrosaune
      @pedrosaune 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      indeed, i noticed that diphtongs sounded too long

    • @EnigmaticLucas
      @EnigmaticLucas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I remember reading that the Roman upper class pronounced "ph", "th", and "ch" (Latinization of phi, theta, and chi, respectively) the Ancient Greek way too (i.e. as aspirated stops).

    • @DanielQwerty
      @DanielQwerty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@EnigmaticLucas yeah that's right. But lower class just pronounced them as p, t and c/k respectively (without the aspiration).

    • @DrunkenHotei
      @DrunkenHotei 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "i" as in the English pronoun is now recognized by the vanguard as a closing diphthong /aj/. Dr. Geoff Lindsey has a few great videos explaining the shortcomings of our "traditional" understanding of vowels and consonants in English.

    • @DanielQwerty
      @DanielQwerty 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DrunkenHotei To be fair I didn't use IPA let alone a narrow transcription. Secondly, my point was the length of the vowels into diphthongs; I was not trying to claim the second vowel to be [i]. Finally, it varies by dialect; my dialect has /e/ (stressed) or /ɪ/ (unstressed) as the second vowel without question.

  • @pikleman5880
    @pikleman5880 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for making these. They'll really help me since I'm learning Latin in school.

  • @jamiegallier2106
    @jamiegallier2106 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good stuff! I appreciate the dedication to making this presentation so clear and concise, nice examples and visuals along with the excellent pronunciation.

  • @IloveUraniumSoMuch
    @IloveUraniumSoMuch 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's amazing that you touch this language since ive been trying so hard learning it. Nice video btw

  • @rheiagreenland4714
    @rheiagreenland4714 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It always takes me by surprise how resoundingly deep the Latin 'U' is.

  • @fedos
    @fedos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The breakdown of the Ecclesiastical vs Classical as being Italian vs German/British reminds me of when I was in a a stats class and a woman who'd immigrated from Greece told the instructor he was pronouncing "μ" wrong; because apparently modern Greek speakers are unaware of either the language's vowel shifts.

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Greeks are notorious for believing their language hasn't changed in the last 3000 years 💀

    • @Goreuncle
      @Goreuncle 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@objective_psychology
      They're fully aware.

    • @Kammerliteratur
      @Kammerliteratur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      µ is not a vowel.

    • @fedos
      @fedos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Kammerliteratur μ is not a vowel, but the letter's name contains a vowel.

    • @Kammerliteratur
      @Kammerliteratur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fedos then she may have a point, as she is talking about the pronounciation of the letter's name and not of the letter itself. being a german, i call the letters of the latin alphabet with their german name, even when i am asked to tell how a latin word is spoken. and a modern greek speaker will of course call greek letters with their modern greek name. and you will certainly not convince an english speaker to pronounce π "pee".

  • @jiminsbluemold
    @jiminsbluemold 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No way! You're teaching languages too!? Awesome!

  • @elsadmafioso
    @elsadmafioso 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I didn't know Dave spoke Latin. very cool!

  • @pietrosier4083
    @pietrosier4083 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great explaination of the develepmont (evolution) of Latin.

  • @ChanakyanStudent7971
    @ChanakyanStudent7971 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is the reason I started learning Latin, after learning how incredibly similar Latin and sanskrit are. The vowels in Latin and Vedic Sanskrit are almost exactly the same? Even more so than Greek or any other european language.

  • @yesitcanspeak
    @yesitcanspeak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Does Professor Dave speak fluent Latin, or are we all learning together?

    • @ProfessorDaveExplains
      @ProfessorDaveExplains  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Took three years in high school. Pronunciation is very similar to Italian which I speak. My mother developed this curriculum, I just adapted it and she checks the videos for accuracy.

    • @dusrus
      @dusrus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@ProfessorDaveExplains
      There is something wholesome about this.

    • @yesitcanspeak
      @yesitcanspeak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ProfessorDaveExplains That's pretty cool you responded to my comment without me tagging you. I enjoy your debunk videos, but I am more excited that you seem focused on educational ones. That's important and will pay off far more than money ever can. Cheers from Texas

  • @nitishkumar-np9vs
    @nitishkumar-np9vs 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hello
    Love from India (bihar)

  • @pedrosaune
    @pedrosaune 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It deeply disapoints me that you didn't use ipa symbols to clarify the pronunciation...

  • @do.notdisturb
    @do.notdisturb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I thought the “y” vowel in Latin was pronounced like the German “ü”. If that phoneme was borrowed from Ancient Greek then it would preserve the Ancient Greek /y/ pronunciation no?

    • @DrunkenHotei
      @DrunkenHotei 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are correct. He made a mistake there, and in a few other places. Still pretty good intro though.

  • @maiorskillsxd6912
    @maiorskillsxd6912 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I listen to the "u" sound (which to me sounds about the same short and long, with only the difference of length) I have the feeling it is pretty close to the long, German "u" sound (like e.g. in "Bruder"), just with adjusted length of the vowel. It's about as close as "look" or "root" i would say.

  • @avasarahc5
    @avasarahc5 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Latin is very important for understanding science terms like for Chemistry or Physics. Very cool. keep making more if you can. ❤❤

    • @Garrettmoron
      @Garrettmoron 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And law

  • @pietrosier4083
    @pietrosier4083 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Question: Dave: which studies have you studied?

  • @analternatemultiverse2063
    @analternatemultiverse2063 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why was your twitter account banned?

    • @ProfessorDaveExplains
      @ProfessorDaveExplains  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      idiot Zionists mass-reported me until it got deactivated

    • @analternatemultiverse2063
      @analternatemultiverse2063 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ProfessorDaveExplains I did some digging and I'm pretty sure they were actually sent over by David Klingoffher from Discovery Institute. Honestly I think you should urgently make a video about him, even if he hasn't said anything worth exposing about lies regarding evolution/intelligent design, he's made countless lies about you and is actively calling you a bigot and a "rape apologist" or something like that by sharing out of context twitter screenshots. Many many people have been buying it including people I know.

    • @ProfessorDaveExplains
      @ProfessorDaveExplains  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He is just capitalizing on “stop antisemitism” and all those accounts who doxx and cancel anyone who speaks out against Israel.

    • @Akkhinus
      @Akkhinus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@ProfessorDaveExplainscanary mission also put a page full of lies about you on their website

  • @waelfadlallah8939
    @waelfadlallah8939 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I said it way back, you have a gift in the most difficult pronunciations, but never expect such day will come that you share with us this wonderful ability!

    • @pedrosaune
      @pedrosaune 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      it's not that hard if you get to understand vowel quality and get to learn a bit of IPA notation

    • @me0101001000
      @me0101001000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pedrosaune IPA helps with every language. Sometimes I wish Latin based scripts would just switch over entirely to IPA

    • @EvTheFlickFan
      @EvTheFlickFan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@me0101001000th-cam.com/video/00LcdxVJahY/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared

  • @betsyfriend9995
    @betsyfriend9995 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Heck yeah, I'm invested

  • @otistically
    @otistically 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The thumbnail was... something.

  • @Lycos_dae
    @Lycos_dae หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait, what about the diphthong "ae" being pronounced as "ai" like in the word "Caesar" which would sound closer to the German "Kaiser"? Is that wrong?

  • @waelfadlallah8939
    @waelfadlallah8939 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Languages are euphoric 😊

  • @mjbalbo
    @mjbalbo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't think you pronounce the diphthongs well. For example you say "saēpe", like a trisyllabic word.

  • @xwtek3505
    @xwtek3505 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Isn't pronounced [ĩːsʊla]?

    • @pedrosaune
      @pedrosaune 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      as far as i'm awared /ʊ/ isn't present in latin, could be wrong tho

    • @xwtek3505
      @xwtek3505 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@pedrosaune First of all, I made a mistake of using // instead of [].
      Second, there is an evidence that short /i e o u/ indeed have more open realization, according to Allen in Vox Latina. This is shown by the fact that Vulgar latin merged i and ē, and the ancient scribes often mispelled short i as
      Phonemically, though, [ɪ] is an allophone of /i/, and it's incorrect to pronounce as a short /i/. Quantity is much more important than quality here, unlike English's /ɪ iː/

    • @xwtek3505
      @xwtek3505 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@pedrosauneThat said, there is an alternative analysis by Calabrese where /i i: u u:/ are tense [i i: u u:] and /e e: o o:/ are lax [ɛ ɛː ɔ ɔː]

  • @locrain7
    @locrain7 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    the thumbnail kinda sus

  • @AAG414
    @AAG414 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Chemistry Jesus himself doing sidequests now and expanding his videos into language?? Hell yeah

  • @yashsingh6508
    @yashsingh6508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing!

  • @theManUCantBe
    @theManUCantBe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Dave IAM from India can u suggest some books
    For organic, inorganic, nd physical all the chemistry
    Suggest 3 books one for each all the students in India running for iit
    Kindly suggest some of the books where we can clear that level of exams and enjoy chemistry

  • @tlhe_ovIyloS
    @tlhe_ovIyloS 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    omg Professor is teaching an ancient language now

  • @valkeakirahvi
    @valkeakirahvi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still hear some problems with your long vowels. I hear all your example words with short o to have long ô as well, even though your examples with ô have even longer vowel. I feel both could be a bit shorter. Also your long vowels in word-final positions sound short, try to hold them a bit longer!
    Source: native speaker of Finnish, which has vowel system similar to Latin and phonemic lenght difference. Also had Latin minor in uni.

  • @rogeriopenna9014
    @rogeriopenna9014 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not that different from Portuguese.
    And the final m in Latin was nasal, like Brazilians pronounce.
    Another funny thing, is that Brazilians pronounce O at the end of words as U (like the Latin u, mind you)... And because we use the Germanic plural S, every word ending in O, in the plural, ends up sounding like the most stereotypical Latin word ending... "Us"

    • @Philoglossos
      @Philoglossos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The plural -s isn't Germanic, it's just from the Latin accusative case.

  • @pietrosier4083
    @pietrosier4083 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you also anything Greek? Greetings from the Netherlands. (Founders of New York).

  • @briankane6547
    @briankane6547 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WHY bother with an "H", if you NEVER use it? As in your Erb Garden?

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They did have an "H" sound it was just in the process of getting deleted so it's usually pronounced quite weakly.

    • @bruceingalls7964
      @bruceingalls7964 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      U? Tat's eavy! 😂

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bruceingalls7964/ð/ has no /h/ in it we just write it as "Th".

  • @jenaroaragon721
    @jenaroaragon721 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why are most of the videos unavailable?

  • @jalsiddharth
    @jalsiddharth 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That thumbnail was mildly shocking. 🤡🤣🤣

  • @mjbates
    @mjbates 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what about -ii ? I've always pronounced it like "A-E"

    • @DanielQwerty
      @DanielQwerty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's basically a long /i/ or "ee" in english. Filiī is like "fee-leeee"

    • @valkeakirahvi
      @valkeakirahvi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it's two i, I'd pronounce it with a glottal stop in the middle as we do in Finnish, but I'm not sure actually. At least the quality if the vowels should not be different to any singlular i

  • @Randa17
    @Randa17 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm from Somalia this vowels are same when we looking our language.
    Short vowels... A. E. I. O. U
    Long vowels... Aa. Ee.. Ii.. Oo.. Uu

    • @hape3862
      @hape3862 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same in German!

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well yeah, it is one of the most common vowel systems in the world.

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hape3862 German is not the same at all, you have about 17 vowels, many of which have no Latin counterpart, such as the front rounded series of vowels: /yː/ (e.g. Rübe), /øː/ (Öl), /ʏ/ (füllt) and /œ/ (göttlich) (examples taken from Wiktionary). Also the schwa (/ə/, the final "e" in many words such as bitte) and the "-er" sound (/ɐ/) are separate central vowels, nothing like the Latin "pure" vowels.

    • @hape3862
      @hape3862 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@objective_psychology I didn't claim that we _only_ have these vowels, but these _are_ identical. The final "e" and "er" are just laziness and dialect, which most probably happened in Ancient Rome as well. You can read High German out loud perfectly when you only use the Latin vowels (+äöü). All else is dialect.

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Somali vowels are distinguished by length or quality while Latin's vowels were distinguished by length and quality so long "E" was pronounced a little higher in the mouth than short "E" for example.

  • @clairl-TF
    @clairl-TF 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    hey Dave, priests speak latin

  • @objective_psychology
    @objective_psychology 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Proto-Indo-European when? ;)

    • @DanielQwerty
      @DanielQwerty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oooooh yes

  • @ayshan0
    @ayshan0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why to learn Latin? Just curious

    • @GrapeswitheldJ
      @GrapeswitheldJ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It's fucking cool and also once u learn Latin it makes it easier to learn other languages I think

    • @hoseinsobhani8040
      @hoseinsobhani8040 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Well... It is fun!

    • @devananderson1519
      @devananderson1519 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      For the glory of Rome

    • @ScorpionM203
      @ScorpionM203 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      To be a real GIGACHAD 😎

    • @Claudius_Ptolemy
      @Claudius_Ptolemy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Quod Lingua Latina pulcra est! 😁

  • @sgonzo5572
    @sgonzo5572 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why should take classical latin over the italian versian of latin. It does not sound latin like.

    • @Релёкс84
      @Релёкс84 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It is literally what latin sounded like. On the other hand, ecclesiastical pronunciation is just an Italian guy who never studied Latin trying to read it.

    • @sgonzo5572
      @sgonzo5572 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Релёкс84 i think that sounds silly for a non latin person to conclude

    • @Релёкс84
      @Релёкс84 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sgonzo5572 No it does not. The Latin language has never cared one bit what you think personally think it "should" sound like.

    • @sgonzo5572
      @sgonzo5572 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Релёкс84 exactly. The italian version is more likely the accurate way than the anglo escolastical version

    • @Релёкс84
      @Релёкс84 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sgonzo5572 It simply isn't. It's okay to no zero things about historical linguistics.

  • @mgx9383
    @mgx9383 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ROMANES EVNT DOMVS

  • @veero25
    @veero25 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    this classical pronunciation sounds super weird sometimes. Ca-esar? really? negotium without the ts/z sound? the ecclesiastical pronunciations sounds way better.

    • @objective_psychology
      @objective_psychology 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The Ecclesiastical one is just Latin butchered into a standard Italian accent, it's stupid. And I disagree, it sounds cooler to have only one fricative (/s/) and a bunch of occlusives and archaic diphthongs.

    • @veero25
      @veero25 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@objective_psychology exactly! and italian sounds great!😁 the classic ones sounds more like a reconstruction of the probable original sounds, while the ecclesiastical at least sounds more based on the sound of the modern words originated from. I'm not saying one is objectively better than the other, just that if a know a guy called Ce-sa-re, name originated from Caesar, it's super weird hearing Ca-esar. Same of all the gn sounds pronounced mag-nus instead of the italian way.
      of course if was French or German, I would find them weird, but not as weird the _possible_ original sounds, I guess.

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's only weird because you're not used to it.

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ive_psychologyAnd their fricative was cool as hell since it was apical instead of laminal.

    • @veero25
      @veero25 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kakahass8845 true. could it be the same for you?

  • @sirvioletii2450
    @sirvioletii2450 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why do you know everything? :3

  • @bruceingalls7964
    @bruceingalls7964 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omnia sonat smarter latine!

  • @Viz_lifelore
    @Viz_lifelore 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there something you don't know 🤯