IRONY: “Study the group and learn it’s history…” failed that completely! His arguments against Seventh Day Adventism would have been more structured and less generic. Since when did Sister White become the leader/founder of the SDA movement? If he HAD studied our history, it would have clearly shown that, whilst her family were among those who, after the ‘Great Disappointment’, went on to do further studies, she DID NOT lead that movement, but was eventually chosen to shine a light on the truth in The Word. This was a fascinating rebuttal. Thank you for discussing this via Sola Scriptura! I’m now a new subscriber. (Where are you sharing your Bible texts from please? I love that it has a built in concordance. I’m relatively new to using a concordance and that one seems easy to use).
@@AdventDefenseLeague thank you very much! I shall try both of those resources. Sometimes when I’m reading the Bible and trip up on what is said (I love the poetry of the KJV, but I don’t always understand it), I go to a few other translations (I have 5 regular ’go to’s’), but à concordance that I can actually USE would be a bonus! Thank you and God bless you all.
McArthur thinks if he raises his voice, it would make him sound more authoritative. I, for one, is least impressed when these circus tactics are applied. I must admit, McArthur would probably find more fame, success and fortune in acting. But then again, most of these popular preachers prefer the pulpt as a more effective means to further the agenda of Mystery Babylon The Great
I have just ‘discovered’ this channel. Thank You, Jesus! I believe that, thanks to the film “Apocalypse Now”, people have NO IDEA what the word apocalypse means! It has a negative connotation. Notwithstanding that it means to “reveal, disclose, discover”. Basic Knowledge of the meaning of the word would be enough to describe what Apocalyptic means. Don’t denigrate a standard if you don’t even have the basic understanding of what it means. 🤷🏾♀️
The popular opinion about what Apocalyptic means has next to nothing to do with the film Apocalypse Now. It has to do with popular churches and ministers teaching about the Book of Revelation and prophecy and taking it overly literally. The Apocalypse is the Revelation, the unveiling, of the Mysteries of Creation and of the Kingdom of Christ which goes along with the sealing of the saints in full power and fruit of the Holy Spirit.
I feel sorry for this people. It must be hard to have a corrupted perception of other people. Going in public to poison the well without no fear to GOD? We must pray for the souls who are writing their names in the books of heaven and can be pursuing a second resurrection.
The individual you are referencing is a great example of a ‘Christian’ - I use the term loosely- that either hasn’t really read his bible (assuming he has one) or is only experienced in ‘cherry picking’ or ‘buffet-style’ bible reading & Christianity. Unfortunately; we will see and hear more like this as time draws to a close. The individual you are referencing is himself a ‘false prophet’ and will have to answer to God for his misrepresentations of the truth. He also speaks very rapidly- this has always exemplified someone prone to misstating the truth or facts. Satan would have liked to have had Grace, but he rebelled against God & His law. Therefore: He was kicked out of heaven, and his rebellious angels with him. Grace is so much more than this individual understands.
What law?? These quotations without relation to the context are the worst form of study especially when intended to mislead. What was Paul's beef with the Galatians? What had they really done, with reference to WHICH Law?
@@christucker6832 according to the Bible, what is the purpose of the law? No one is justified by the deeds of the law. We find this in Romans 3:20. Does this mean that the law has no purpose? What say you my brother?
@@christucker6832 amen to these verses. So we agree then that the purpose of the law is to show us what sin is. I don’t think I need to say anymore. Perhaps, I should ask if you are understanding the verse that says we no longer need a tutor to mean that the law is done away with? I don’t want to miss quoteyou. what would you say the term not under the law means? now that the law has brought us to Christ? Is the Bible teaching that the law is no longer necessary?
@@christucker6832 the Law is not forever??? Hmm, Let us see if Jeremiah agrees with you. how ironic that you quoted from Jeremiah to say that the law is not forever, when Jeremiah himself says this. Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV) 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 32 “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 “But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” how ironic that you quoted Hebrews seven and left out the same passage that Paul the author of Hebrews quoted from Jeremiah. Here it is again, only this time from Paul in Hebrews. Hebrews 8:8-13 (NKJV) 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 9 “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 “For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 “None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 13 In that He says, “A new [covenant,]” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. verse 13 explains and repeats The principal found in your reference in the previous chapter. Obviously if you are willing to receive it the reference is made to the Levitical priesthood. The Levitical priesthood along with its laws and temple was passing away when Paul wrote the book of Hebrews and now has passed away. Thing is though, the 10 Commandments including the Sabbath are not Levitical. Surely you can see this. I can’t help but wonder why you are even bringing this point up, as the verses you have quoted do not support your conclusions at all. even the translation that you are using specifically says Levitical priesthood. Yes, a change in the law was necessary, but what was that change? The change was that the Levitical priesthood along with its temple and laws would pass away. However, as I have noted in the very next chapter, a new covenant is made with the house of Israel. According to Hebrews 8:7, a new covenant was made because the old one failed. I’m sure you know why it failed. Please don’t accuse God like many Sunday Christians do of changing his mind. He is perfect he does not need to change and he himself says “I change not.” (Malachi 3:6) you have written a lot and posted many verses. However, the thing that stays with me the most is the fact that you did not answer my questions. You also made a statement about the law not being forever. It is sad that you have used the Bible to come to this conclusion. In my view this conclusion is false. Why??? Here are the words of Jesus. Matthew 5:17-19 (NKJV) 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches [them,] he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus tells us here that he did not come to destroy the law. So, question for you, is Jesus and Paul disagreeing with one another? If the law is not forever then at some point Christ destroyed it according to your understanding. If Jesus fulfills the law, are you saying then that it is gone? romans 10:4 one of the verses you referenced says that Christ is the end or the completion of the law for righteousness. Amen to that, Thingh is though, there was a law that pointed to Christ our righteousness. What was that law? It was the Levitical law that passed away. However, here is what David had to say about God’s moral law. Psalm 89:14 righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne. mercy and truth go before your face. Let us now go back to Paul again. Romans 3:31 what shall we say then? Do we make void the law through faith? Certainly not, on the contrary, we establish the law. you and I have both agreed that the purpose of the law is not for justification. However, we have just read that Faith establish‘s that law. We cannot claim to have faith and say that the law is not forever, because as long as we have faith the law will be established. Certainly again you can see this or at least I hope you can see the fallacy in your conclusion. Here are 2 more verses, 1 from Jesus and the other from Revelation. Luke 16:17 (NKJV) “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. I am blind, but the last time I checked, heaven and earth have not passed away. That time is coming really soon, but it hasn’t happened yet. So, the logical conclusion is that the law has not failed it is still here. now let us see what the apostle John thinks about your statement. Would he agree that the law is not forever? Check this out. Revelation 22:14 blessed are they who keep his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city. I am deeply saddened at the fact that many Christians like yourself go through all of these mental gymnastics which defy logic just to reject the thing that God said to remember. I often wonder why you guys do this, since James tells us that we will be judged by God‘s law of liberty. That law includes the Sabbath and is the same law that our faith establishes. Since I am blind, I am not able to review your post point by point while I am responding. If I have missed anything that I should have responded to, forgive me. Much love to you.
@@christucker6832 I believe I said over and over again that the old covenant ended. Not sure why you felt you had to say it again. Also, I believe I have demonstrated my understanding of how it ended which you have not addressed. Amen to all the verses you quoted. Yes my dear brother I call it mental gymnastics because in my view, this is what you are doing. I do believe that it is a defiance of logic to say that the law is not forever, when I have Clearly shown in both the old and the new testament and even by the words of our Lord Jesus that the law is forever. We know this because it is the foundation of his throne. Psalm 89:14 we also know this because Jesus said that those who break the least of them and then teach others to do so as you are doing will be counted Least worthy of the kingdom. The sad thing is that while you and your friends do this you are claiming that you have faith. However, we demonstrated that faith establishes the law. You cannot establish something that no longer exists and claim that it is done away with while establishing it at the same time. Seems like a defiance of logic to me. Not only is it a defiance of logic, but it is against scripture. Revelation 14:12 plainly states that those who have the faith of Jesus keep the commandments of God. See how they go hand-in-hand?The honest reader of our discussion will make their determination. you quoted one of my favorite verses from first Corinthians 1. yes the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but the cross also demonstrates that God‘s law is perpetual that it will not change. There would be no need for a savior if God could change his law. What the cross demonstrates is the love of God for sinners. I am so grateful for this because sin is breaking his law. oh, and by the way, there would be no need for a gospel either if the law could pass away because of the cross. also, nobody would be able to determine what sin is if the law would be done away with, since sin is transgressing God’s law.1 John 3:4 if I am understanding you correctly, you seem to be saying that the law after the cross is love. my dear brother, the law has always been love from the very beginning. hear the words of Jesus. Mark 12:28-35 (NKJV) 28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?” ] 29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments [is:] ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 ‘And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This [is] the first commandment. 31 “And the second, like [it, is] this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” 32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well [said,] Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. 33 “And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” But after that no one dared question Him. notice something that Jesus said in this passage. He told describe that he was not far from the kingdom of God. Why is this significant? Because describe understood the distinction between gods 10 Commandments law of love and burnt offerings associated with the temple and old covenant which passed away. This distinction is not one that you or your friends are willing to make. Instead, you keep putting gods 10 commandment law of love in with the old covenant sacrifices and burnt offerings and ceremonial laws which passed away. Well how close would I be to the kingdom if I failed to make such a distinction? How close would you be? Perhaps, you may want to consider this. you also quoted my favorite verses from Romans chapter 8. In your reference it is clear that there are two laws spoken of. There is a law of sin and death and the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. I love this law of the spirit, because according to Romans 7:14, the law is spiritual. The opposite is the flesh which is carnal. in verse seven of chapter 8 we discover that the carnal man cannot subject himself to the law of God. Well, the honest reader will determine who is being carnal between you and me. I have exalted God’s law but you are the one who says and continue to say that the law is not forever. what the first four verses of Romans chapter 8 teach is that those who are in the spirit walk in harmony with God‘s law, but those who are carnal or in the flesh are sinners and subject to the law of sin and death. my dear brother what I am doing here is harmonizing the scriptures that you have used to come to your conclusion with the rest of the scriptures that clearly say that God‘s law is forever. You on the other hand have made no such attempt to harmonize the verses I referenced with your conclusion. Instead, you just throw another barrage of verses at me. This is not how to friends have an honest discussion. perhaps, I am making a bad assumption. Do you consider me a friend? Do you love me? Is this why you keep telling me that I am headed for destruction? To be honest with you, you sound more angry than concerned. I hope I am wrong. Here is my understanding of the verses you quoted in second Corinthians three. amen the letter kills. However, the spirit brings life. As I have stated earlier the same author tells us that the law is spiritual. So if that spirit which is the Holy Spirit who identifies with God’s law comes and writes upon my heart, what will he write? If the law is spiritual and the holy spirit has a law of life which according to Romans 7:10 the law was to bring life will he write something that doesn’t include God’s law? The letter says thou shall not commit adultery. The spirit of life in Christ Jesus says if you look with lust you have already committed adultery. is it logical to conclude that I can look with lust but not commit the physical act? Surely you see the fallacy in this kind of reasoning. Yet, this seems to be what you are asserting. notice that it was Moses who put a veil over his face because he was in the presence of God. In The temple services which is a time and shadow of salvation, what was in God’s presence? Surely you know that it was God 10 commandment lol of love. When we are in God‘s presence his 10 commandment law of love on not only in stone but are written on our hearts. OK, I believe I have addressed your objections, at least the ones I remember. Now one more thing before I sign off. You keep bragging and boasting about how good your debating skills are and then you turn around and accuse those with whom you disagree of being arrogant. The honest reader will see again how inconsistent you are being. Being blind is not an excuse I did not say it to make an excuse just wanted you to know why perhaps maybe I may not address everything you wanted me to address. I was asking you to be patient with me. Much Love to You.
I have been a sda for over 35 years and I have NEVER BEEN THREATENED for anything. where those people who come up with those things find those things.
They just make things up as they go.
Yeah I like to file it under, "today in things that never happened."
"A cult is a religious practise you don't like..."
IRONY: “Study the group and learn it’s history…” failed that completely! His arguments against Seventh Day Adventism would have been more structured and less generic.
Since when did Sister White become the leader/founder of the SDA movement? If he HAD studied our history, it would have clearly shown that, whilst her family were among those who, after the ‘Great Disappointment’, went on to do further studies, she DID NOT lead that movement, but was eventually chosen to shine a light on the truth in The Word.
This was a fascinating rebuttal. Thank you for discussing this via Sola Scriptura! I’m now a new subscriber.
(Where are you sharing your Bible texts from please? I love that it has a built in concordance. I’m relatively new to using a concordance and that one seems easy to use).
The program brother Jason is using is called eSword. We also use BlueLetterBible. Thanks for subscribing and WELCOME!
@@AdventDefenseLeague thank you very much! I shall try both of those resources. Sometimes when I’m reading the Bible and trip up on what is said (I love the poetry of the KJV, but I don’t always understand it), I go to a few other translations (I have 5 regular ’go to’s’), but à concordance that I can actually USE would be a bonus!
Thank you and God bless you all.
McArthur thinks if he raises his voice, it would make him sound more authoritative. I, for one, is least impressed when these circus tactics are applied. I must admit, McArthur would probably find more fame, success and fortune in acting.
But then again, most of these popular preachers prefer the pulpt as a more effective means to further the agenda of Mystery Babylon The Great
It has been revealed in scripture that in the last days people will attacked those who Revelation 12 : 17.
Thanks!
Thank you!!
I have just ‘discovered’ this channel. Thank You, Jesus!
I believe that, thanks to the film “Apocalypse Now”, people have NO IDEA what the word apocalypse means! It has a negative connotation. Notwithstanding that it means to “reveal, disclose, discover”. Basic Knowledge of the meaning of the word would be enough to describe what Apocalyptic means. Don’t denigrate a standard if you don’t even have the basic understanding of what it means. 🤷🏾♀️
The popular opinion about what Apocalyptic means has next to nothing to do with the film Apocalypse Now.
It has to do with popular churches and ministers teaching about the Book of Revelation and prophecy and taking it overly literally.
The Apocalypse is the Revelation, the unveiling, of the Mysteries of Creation and of the Kingdom of Christ which goes along with the sealing of the saints in full power and fruit of the Holy Spirit.
1:14:44 wow this is one of the best explanations of how to explain what the gospel is thank you and praise the Lord.
I was still working, oh well. I will watch now
I definitely missed your presence in the comment section. I hope all is well.
- Jason T.
Yeah me too then I forgot about it and went home and started playing my Xbox lol
⚠️ oaktree ⚠️ Xbox? Adventists amuse themselves with Xbox? What a Revelation ⁉️ 😱
Hi I was wondering where I can send a video request
Send to: adl.qanda@gmail.com.
I feel sorry for this people. It must be hard to have a corrupted perception of other people. Going in public to poison the well without no fear to GOD? We must pray for the souls who are writing their names in the books of heaven and can be pursuing a second resurrection.
The individual you are referencing is a great example of a ‘Christian’ - I use the term loosely- that either hasn’t really read his bible (assuming he has one) or is only experienced in ‘cherry picking’ or ‘buffet-style’ bible reading & Christianity.
Unfortunately; we will see and hear more like this as time draws to a close.
The individual you are referencing is himself a ‘false prophet’ and will have to answer to God for his misrepresentations of the truth.
He also speaks very rapidly- this has always exemplified someone prone to misstating the truth or facts.
Satan would have liked to have had Grace, but he rebelled against God & His law. Therefore: He was kicked out of heaven, and his rebellious angels with him.
Grace is so much more than this individual understands.
What law?? These quotations without relation to the context are the worst form of study especially when intended to mislead. What was Paul's beef with the Galatians? What had they really done, with reference to WHICH Law?
@@christucker6832 according to the Bible, what is the purpose of the law? No one is justified by the deeds of the law. We find this in Romans 3:20. Does this mean that the law has no purpose? What say you my brother?
@@christucker6832 amen to these verses. So we agree then that the purpose of the law is to show us what sin is. I don’t think I need to say anymore. Perhaps, I should ask if you are understanding the verse that says we no longer need a tutor to mean that the law is done away with? I don’t want to miss quoteyou. what would you say the term not under the law means? now that the law has brought us to Christ? Is the Bible teaching that the law is no longer necessary?
@@christucker6832
the Law is not forever??? Hmm, Let us see if Jeremiah agrees with you. how ironic that you quoted from Jeremiah to say that the law is not forever, when Jeremiah himself says this.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV) 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 32 “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 “But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
how ironic that you quoted Hebrews seven and left out the same passage that Paul the author of Hebrews quoted from Jeremiah. Here it is again, only this time from Paul in Hebrews.
Hebrews 8:8-13 (NKJV) 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 9 “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 “For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 “None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 13 In that He says, “A new [covenant,]” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
verse 13 explains and repeats The principal found in your reference in the previous chapter. Obviously if you are willing to receive it the reference is made to the Levitical priesthood. The Levitical priesthood along with its laws and temple was passing away when Paul wrote the book of Hebrews and now has passed away. Thing is though, the 10 Commandments including the Sabbath are not Levitical. Surely you can see this. I can’t help but wonder why you are even bringing this point up, as the verses you have quoted do not support your conclusions at all. even the translation that you are using specifically says Levitical priesthood. Yes, a change in the law was necessary, but what was that change? The change was that the Levitical priesthood along with its temple and laws would pass away. However, as I have noted in the very next chapter, a new covenant is made with the house of Israel. According to Hebrews 8:7, a new covenant was made because the old one failed. I’m sure you know why it failed. Please don’t accuse God like many Sunday Christians do of changing his mind. He is perfect he does not need to change and he himself says “I change not.” (Malachi 3:6)
you have written a lot and posted many verses. However, the thing that stays with me the most is the fact that you did not answer my questions. You also made a statement about the law not being forever. It is sad that you have used the Bible to come to this conclusion. In my view this conclusion is false. Why??? Here are the words of Jesus.
Matthew 5:17-19 (NKJV) 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches [them,] he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus tells us here that he did not come to destroy the law. So, question for you, is Jesus and Paul disagreeing with one another? If the law is not forever then at some point Christ destroyed it according to your understanding. If Jesus fulfills the law, are you saying then that it is gone? romans 10:4 one of the verses you referenced says that Christ is the end or the completion of the law for righteousness. Amen to that, Thingh is though, there was a law that pointed to Christ our righteousness. What was that law? It was the Levitical law that passed away. However, here is what David had to say about God’s moral law.
Psalm 89:14
righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne. mercy and truth go before your face.
Let us now go back to Paul again. Romans 3:31
what shall we say then? Do we make void the law through faith? Certainly not, on the contrary, we establish the law.
you and I have both agreed that the purpose of the law is not for justification. However, we have just read that Faith establish‘s that law. We cannot claim to have faith and say that the law is not forever, because as long as we have faith the law will be established. Certainly again you can see this or at least I hope you can see the fallacy in your conclusion. Here are 2 more verses, 1 from Jesus and the other from Revelation.
Luke 16:17 (NKJV)
“And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
I am blind, but the last time I checked, heaven and earth have not passed away. That time is coming really soon, but it hasn’t happened yet. So, the logical conclusion is that the law has not failed it is still here.
now let us see what the apostle John thinks about your statement. Would he agree that the law is not forever? Check this out.
Revelation 22:14
blessed are they who keep his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.
I am deeply saddened at the fact that many Christians like yourself go through all of these mental gymnastics which defy logic just to reject the thing that God said to remember. I often wonder why you guys do this, since James tells us that we will be judged by God‘s law of liberty. That law includes the Sabbath and is the same law that our faith establishes.
Since I am blind, I am not able to review your post point by point while I am responding. If I have missed anything that I should have responded to, forgive me. Much love to you.
@@christucker6832
I believe I said over and over again that the old covenant ended. Not sure why you felt you had to say it again. Also, I believe I have demonstrated my understanding of how it ended which you have not addressed. Amen to all the verses you quoted. Yes my dear brother I call it mental gymnastics because in my view, this is what you are doing. I do believe that it is a defiance of logic to say that the law is not forever, when I have Clearly shown in both the old and the new testament and even by the words of our Lord Jesus that the law is forever. We know this because it is the foundation of his throne. Psalm 89:14 we also know this because Jesus said that those who break the least of them and then teach others to do so as you are doing will be counted Least worthy of the kingdom. The sad thing is that while you and your friends do this you are claiming that you have faith. However, we demonstrated that faith establishes the law. You cannot establish something that no longer exists and claim that it is done away with while establishing it at the same time. Seems like a defiance of logic to me. Not only is it a defiance of logic, but it is against scripture. Revelation 14:12 plainly states that those who have the faith of Jesus keep the commandments of God. See how they go hand-in-hand?The honest reader of our discussion will make their determination.
you quoted one of my favorite verses from first Corinthians 1. yes the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but the cross also demonstrates that God‘s law is perpetual that it will not change. There would be no need for a savior if God could change his law. What the cross demonstrates is the love of God for sinners. I am so grateful for this because sin is breaking his law. oh, and by the way, there would be no need for a gospel either if the law could pass away because of the cross. also, nobody would be able to determine what sin is if the law would be done away with, since sin is transgressing God’s law.1 John 3:4
if I am understanding you correctly, you seem to be saying that the law after the cross is love. my dear brother, the law has always been love from the very beginning. hear the words of Jesus.
Mark 12:28-35 (NKJV) 28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?” ] 29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments [is:] ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 ‘And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This [is] the first commandment. 31 “And the second, like [it, is] this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” 32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well [said,] Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. 33 “And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.” 34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” But after that no one dared question Him.
notice something that Jesus said in this passage. He told describe that he was not far from the kingdom of God. Why is this significant? Because describe understood the distinction between gods 10 Commandments law of love and burnt offerings associated with the temple and old covenant which passed away. This distinction is not one that you or your friends are willing to make. Instead, you keep putting gods 10 commandment law of love in with the old covenant sacrifices and burnt offerings and ceremonial laws which passed away. Well how close would I be to the kingdom if I failed to make such a distinction? How close would you be? Perhaps, you may want to consider this.
you also quoted my favorite verses from Romans chapter 8. In your reference it is clear that there are two laws spoken of. There is a law of sin and death and the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. I love this law of the spirit, because according to Romans 7:14, the law is spiritual. The opposite is the flesh which is carnal.
in verse seven of chapter 8 we discover that the carnal man cannot subject himself to the law of God. Well, the honest reader will determine who is being carnal between you and me. I have exalted God’s law but you are the one who says and continue to say that the law is not forever. what the first four verses of Romans chapter 8 teach is that those who are in the spirit walk in harmony with God‘s law, but those who are carnal or in the flesh are sinners and subject to the law of sin and death.
my dear brother what I am doing here is harmonizing the scriptures that you have used to come to your conclusion with the rest of the scriptures that clearly say that God‘s law is forever. You on the other hand have made no such attempt to harmonize the verses I referenced with your conclusion. Instead, you just throw another barrage of verses at me. This is not how to friends have an honest discussion. perhaps, I am making a bad assumption. Do you consider me a friend? Do you love me? Is this why you keep telling me that I am headed for destruction? To be honest with you, you sound more angry than concerned. I hope I am wrong.
Here is my understanding of the verses you quoted in second Corinthians three. amen the letter kills. However, the spirit brings life. As I have stated earlier the same author tells us that the law is spiritual. So if that spirit which is the Holy Spirit who identifies with God’s law comes and writes upon my heart, what will he write? If the law is spiritual and the holy spirit has a law of life which according to Romans 7:10 the law was to bring life will he write something that doesn’t include God’s law?
The letter says thou shall not commit adultery. The spirit of life in Christ Jesus says if you look with lust you have already committed adultery. is it logical to conclude that I can look with lust but not commit the physical act? Surely you see the fallacy in this kind of reasoning. Yet, this seems to be what you are asserting.
notice that it was Moses who put a veil over his face because he was in the presence of God. In The temple services which is a time and shadow of salvation, what was in God’s presence? Surely you know that it was God 10 commandment lol of love. When we are in God‘s presence his 10 commandment law of love on not only in stone but are written on our hearts.
OK, I believe I have addressed your objections, at least the ones I remember. Now one more thing before I sign off. You keep bragging and boasting about how good your debating skills are and then you turn around and accuse those with whom you disagree of being arrogant. The honest reader will see again how inconsistent you are being. Being blind is not an excuse I did not say it to make an excuse just wanted you to know why perhaps maybe I may not address everything you wanted me to address. I was asking you to be patient with me. Much Love to You.
Yep acculturation by masonic Lodge...
Myles is NOT an authority.
So she's not a prophet she's more than a prophet what really