It's because of the critics that I actually became an SDA. I was raised Baptist and tried to follow critics logic but ultimately became an sda by trying to prove them wrong in 2016 and started doing public Evangelism the last crusade ended last Sabbath with 10 baptisms. Praise the LORD!
@@dontfeedthepirates who are you to tell me a Christian..? to repent ..when you haven't got Jesus Christ yet? You said He's the devil (doing your atonement) in the investigative judgment (that's your confession of faith)!. You can't get to the fall of 1844 with 2300..( all the rest of it is just like that )! the math will not let you do it!
The young men at the Advent Defense League are so kind. That is the right spirit. Talk the truth in love. Blessings, my brothers! It's an important work that you're doing.
Thanks very much Advent Defense league for the work you are doing. Continue to share the truth in God's words, here a little and there a little, according to scriptures. Just remember that many who rejected God's word, (His Ten Commandments) will read and study but they will not be able to come to a full knowledge of God and His word. Please continue to defend the Advent message with the help of the Holy spirit, Let us all continue to pray for These critics ,so that they may come to a full acknowledge of God's Truth.
Thank you so much for this! The guest, with his diligent research, exposed the lack of understanding of "real" history that the critic accused Adventists of not knowing. "The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him." Proverbs 18:17 May you guys keep shining the light so that all may see. God bless!
0:00 - Intro 1:34 - About ADL 3:15 - Today's topic 5:28 - Welcome James Bowen 7:48 - James's Background with Studying the Waldenses 10:07 - Moment to Pray 11:37 - Earliest Documents of the Waldenses 12:46 - The Waldenses of today compared to ancient times 16:04 - Myles's view of the Waldenses 22:06 - Waldenses saw themselves in Revelation 12 23:37 - Myles's claim against Waldensians keeping the Sabbath refuted 45:34 - Hundreds of Waldensians kept the Sabbath 47:47 - What Changed With the Waldensians? 56:12 - Myles's claim about the Waldensian view of the Law of God 59:25 - Myles's claim on Religious Liberty 1:02:36 - Waldenses recognized the Pope as the Antichrist 1:03:33 - Myles's version of Westminister Confession 1:06:31 - Earliest Understanding of the 2,300-day Prophecy 1:08:42 - 10 Individuals who stood for truth 1:10:54 - Closing Thoughts / Announcements
@@JamieElison that’s right! We know God is blessing them because they are sharing the everlasting gospel ❤️ we know God is blessing them because they are sharing in love and truth.
@sevenbranchcandlestic where where is that written in the Bible?. Revelation 14 doesn't happen until the last time times and a half a time the last 42 months of time did the children of Daniel 12! That's not speaking of you!
@@sevenbranchcandlesticks Revelation 14 is not written to you. That's written to the ( children of Daniel Daniel 12! for the last time times and a half a Time on the face of the Earth. The 42 months of Revelation 13:5!.. if you're still here then, you have missed Jesus Christ completely!
@@sevenbranchcandlestickswhat's the matter uploader don't you don't like me to respond to somebody that asked me a question? or made a statement to me!? You're not the people of Revelation 14 or Revelation 12! What you're speaking of is not the everlasting gospel in the first place! The everlasting gospels is1st Peter 2:24!
He’s a liar he knows what he his doing…. This happens too frequently for it to be coincidence…. He has an agenda but that’s as much as I will say….. I’ve watched his videos and see it laced with deception @1:04:49 onwards was a nail inna sure place for that coffin. You think he didn’t see that part as well. It’s clearly evident he’s up to deceive not to save
@@Javaun_Powell I am one of the people of 1st Corinthians 6:2 based upon your statement of faith you can't be Christian which is righteous judgement we have the right to make righteous judgment
I feel bad for miles. He had the same teacher I did for one of our religion classes and the teacher was a terrible teacher. If you had questions that was against the Adventist faith he would pretty much shun you. I couldn’t stand him and had to drop the class and take it from a different teacher. Miles just needs our prayer. Miles is an amazing artist. He loved drawing tattoo art when we were at SAU together.
God INSTITUTED the Seventh Day Sabbath at CREATION, SANCTIFIED it, MADE it HOLY, said to REMEMBER it and WROTE it with His finger on STONE TABLETS. Case Closed! How is it that it's the one commandment people want to do away with or change?
*The Baptist historian Orchard records:* -- *"The real Waldenses abhorred every vestige of the man of sin,* (p. 316)." A celebrated leader among the Waldenses and Albigenses, Arder Joachim of Calabria, the year 1190, when in conversation with Richard, the Lion Hearted, said, "Certain wicked nations called 'Gog' and 'Magog' shall rise up to destroy the Church of God and shall subvert the race of Christians, and then shall be the Day of Judgment. He says John speaks of the church, that the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared of God that He should feed her there a thousand, two hundred, and sixty days." - Jones, History of the Christian Church, Vol. II, 5:1, p. 266. (Dugger, p. 145). *President Edwards says of this people, later called Waldenses, Puritans, etc.:* -- *“Some of the popish writers themselves own that this people never submitted to the church of Rome. One of the popish writers, speaking of the Waldenses, says, ‘The heresy of the Waldenses is the oldest heresy in the world.* It is supposed that they first betook themselves to this place among the mountains, where they existed before Constantine the Great, and thus the woman fled into the wilderness, from the face of the serpent (Revelation 12:6, 14). *‘And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.’* The people being settled there, their posterity continued (there) from age to age; and being, as it were, by natural walls, as well as by God’s grace, separated from the rest of the world, they never partook of the overflowing corruption.” - Edward’s History of Redemption, period 3, part 4, sec. 2. The following historical sketch tells of a body of believers who fled out of Judaea late in the fourth century, and who by their faith were evidently the Church of God. The Bishop of Ely names these also as a body of Sabbath-keepers whose heresy was condemned by the church. Joseph Bingham, M.A., gives the following account of them: - *“There was another sect, . . . ‘Hypsistarians,’ that is, worshipers of the most high God, whom they worshiped as the Jews only in one person. And they observed their Sabbaths, and used distinction of their meats, clean and unclean,* though they did not regard circumcision, as Gregory Nazianzen whose father was one of this sect, gives the account of them.” - Antiquities of the Christian Church, book 16, chap. 6, sec. 2. *It is not strange that the church which fled out of Judaea at the word of Christ should long retain the Sabbath, as it appears that they did, even as late as the fourth century. Morer mentions these Sabbathkeepers in the following language:* -- *“About the same time were the Hypsistarii, who closed with these as to what concerned the Sabbath,* yet would by no means accept circumcision as too plain a testimony of ancient bondage. All these were heretics, and so adjudged to by the Catholic church. Yet their [sincerity] and industry were such as gained them a considerable footing in the Christian world.” - *Dialogues on the Lord’s Day, p. 67* *“Gradually the first day of the week came into prominence as an added day, but finally by civil and ecclesiastical authority as a required observance.* The first legislation on the subject was the famous law of Constantine, enacted 321 AD. The acts of various councils during the fourth and fifth centuries established the observance of the first day of the week by ecclesiastical [Roman Catholic] authority, and in the great apostasy which followed, the rival day [Sunday] observed the ascendancy. *During the centuries which followed, however, there were always witnesses for the true Sabbath, although under great persecution. And thus in various lands, the knowledge of the true Sabbath has been preserved.”* - *Wharey’s Church History, p. 37, Presbyterian.* *FIVE HUNDRED TO SIX HUNDRED AD.* *The Flight of the True Church to the Wilderness:* -- It was between 500 and 600 AD. that the Church of God was sorely oppressed by the state religion clothed with civil power, and completely overpowered, and scattered to the valleys of the mountains in all parts of the world. We shall now insert a few facts from reliable historians to show how the true followers of Jesus were indeed driven into the wilderness, where they took refuge in the rocks, and dens, and caves of the earth, yet they rejoiced in persecution, and lived in humble obedience to the will of God, being fed by Him from His word. *The historian Jones gives an account of the flight of the persecuted saints from the oppression of the harlot church seated upon the Roman beast. His account follows:* -- *“Multitudes however, fled like innocent and defenseless sheep from these devouring wolves. They crossed the Alps, and traveled in every direction, as Providence and the prospect of safety conducted them, into Germany, England, France, Italy, and other countries. There they trimmed their lamps, and shone with new luster. Their worth everywhere drew attention, and their doctrine formed increasing circles around them. The storm which threatened their destruction only scattered them as the precious seeds of the glorious reformation of the Christian Church.”* - Jones’ Church History, p. 208, ed. 1837. *Valley Dwellers - Vaudois* The fleeing Christians who escaped from the wrath of the Roman church and state, found a haven in the mountains and valleys of the north of Italy, and the south of France, in main, although they fled into all nations wherein they could find an entrance and protection from the persecutions of the papacy. Though these Christians were known by many names for various reasons in their new homes, yet the predominating name for them seems to have been “Vaudois,” which means “Valley Dwellers.” From the fact they dwelt in the valleys of the mountains they received the name “Valley Dwellers,” or, in the native tongue, “Vaudois.” The Vaudois, known as such by the world, but holding to the true Bible name, were persecuted for the true faith. *They observed the seventh day of the week, according to the commandment, immersed for believers baptism, and kept the Passover, or the Lord’s Supper, once a year, in the first month.* - *See pages 348, 349, Persecutions and Atrocities on the Vaudois.* *Gilly says of these ancient “Valley Dwellers,” who had fled from the wrath of the papal church in its early centuries, and were still found abiding under the protection of the Almighty in the Waldensian wilderness in the thirteenth century:* “They occupy a mountain district . . . and yet from this secluded spot, have they disseminated doctrines, whose influence is felt over the most refined and civilized part of Europe. They . . . speak the same language, have the same patriarchal habits, and simple virtues, and retain the same religion, which was known to exist there more than a thousand years ago. *They profess to constitute the remains of the pure and primitive Christian church, and those who would question their claims cannot show either by history or tradition that they were subscribed to the popish rituals, or bowed down before any of the idols of the Roman church* . . . . In short, there is no other way of explaining the political, moral, and religious phenomenon, which the Vaudois have continued to display for so many centuries, than by ascribing it to the manifest interposition of Providence, which has chosen in them the weak things of this world to confound the things that are mighty.’“ - *Gilly, Excursions to Piedmont, pp. 259.* From the above testimony we gather that the Vaudois had inhabited these same valleys for over one thousand years, and that they made the claim, which could not be disputed, that they were the remains, the remnant, of the true Church of God, who had fled into the wilderness. It should be noted also that no history can show these saints of God to ever have been within the fold of the Catholic Church, but had remained separate, letting their light shine, through the darkest hours of the Dark Ages.
Wow, this is a clean sweep, wiping out and erasing all suggestions to the contrary. The Sabbatarian martyrs, also women, also that young woman: God's inspiration gives strength beyond human endurance, amen. Also matching Calvin's mistake on spiritualising the Sabbath to the Inquisitor's influence.
The only truth in adventistism is Saturday is the seventh day and therefore it's the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of rest, if you are a priest and you perform your duties on the Sabbath, You are working. SDA ministers and pastors are getting paid to preach on the Sabbath. The bus driver is working and so on. " I perceive that GOD is no respecter of persons, but if any man be a worshiper,HIM HE HEARETH! now that completely levels the playing field! does it?
@@BEvans7 the Pharisees are the original SDA they didn't want Jesus to heal the lame man on the Sabbath and they rebuked the disciples for picking and eating corn on the Sabbath. But Jesus promptly rebuked the Pharisees for their hypocrisy. You speak like an adventist.
In the task of bettering the world, every human group has a role to play. William Miller & Adventists have already inspired humanity with a spirit of hopefulness by calling attention to divine intervention in history. Ellen White & Adventists have & continue to promote God’s laws & healthful living. As a Baha’i, I cherish Adventists & thank them for their contribution to our world. May God bless Adventists.
I don't know why his channel is called Answering Adventism. He won't answer a single comment I leave him and I'm an Adventist. He even deletes most of my comments. I call his religion Mylesbeterian. He is far from Christlike, very rude.
@@cbvagabond just as you said.. just as soon as you get that first lie that you you can get to 1844 in the fall with 2,300.. then you can start acting like you can teach something.. but until you do ,,,that your teaching..( the same thing as that equation proves you are!) That's your foundation).. you can't even interpret Daniel 8 .including Daniel 8 13! the verse just head of what made you do what you did!
@@JamieElisonYou are too old for this You didn't respond to anything said in the video You are here again to rant like you always do... I'm surprised how an elderly person like you should be behaving in such a manner
Myles Pastor dad never taught Ellen White in his church. He doesn't even know Ellen White. My recent sermon directly addresses the Eastern Orthodox church, so his point on that prooves alignment with Eastern Orthodoxy.... and I've never read the Great Controversy.
A lot of the critics, nay sayer's, and whomever else will start coming around especially when the Sunday Laws start dropping and they realize, " Ohhh man the SDA's were all along " lol
@@thatnicekid04 ,Thank you my brothers,GOD continue.to bless you,we know the accuser,of the brethren,is behind this he knows the sunday,law is about to soon to be passed,and he is focusing on SDA,thank you for helping us and confused,souls to understand the truth,no weapon formed against the remnant,shall prosper,Saints you were raised up for a time such as this.Amen.
GOD BLESS THE adventist defense league. I love your presentation of God 's trutt.The truth that sets people free from delusive and deceptive doctrines of devils .Jesus is = truth (john14:6).God the Father=truth (john4:24).The Holy spirit =truth (1john5:6).The LAW(ten commandments)=Truth. Conclusion:Jesus, God the Father, the Holy spirit do not contradict nor undermine the law of the ten commandments in any wise.so,let us go ahead and defend the truth of God vehemently without fear of death (Rev2:10).Any teacher or teaching that deviates from the standard of truth is to be recognised as stemming from a realm of darkness rather than light .Jesus christ is the true sabbath (colossians 2:16).He (Jesus)provides divine rest for human restlessness.God is in harmony with his law.it is the transcript of His character).the law of God is from infinite past to infinite future. The law is as eternal as God himself. Those who think the law ended on the cross are totally deceived. The law survives in the person of Jesus who became the law (sabbath).Hate the sabbath, you hate Jesus because the sabbath, the entire law is one with Jesus christ. No contradiction. Those who make void the law of God in anyway are making God to contradict Himself (see psalm 119:126).God will throw into the lake of fire all those who negate and make void the law of God. Notice Jesus 's remarks on those who subtract the minutest detail of God law in mathew5:17-19.).While we agree that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus christ. True faith establishes the whole law of God. Embrace and affirm 10 out 10 commandments of God in true faith. Why hate only one law(the fourth commandment)and think you can enter God's Holy Heaven with only nine commandments. The nine commandments are not equal to God's character without including the fourth commandment).by pastor Austin moonga, DIRECTOR, THE FUTURE IS PERFERCT MINISTRY, CHOMA, ZAMBIA, CENTRAL AFRICA.
Hey Myles, bitterness and hatred are not a replacement for good scholarship. Pray that God will deliver you from your hatred and bitterness first and then ask for the Holy Spirit to give you true wisdom.
James Bowen says (time-code: 29:29-31:00): “But let's take a look in the 12th century: what the hot topic was. Moneta of Cremona was one of the inquisitors in the 12th century who opposed the Waldenses, specifically for Sabbath keeping. And his argument was “De sabbato and de die Dominico”. He makes a distinction there in between the Sunday and the Sabbath. And he specifically uses second, uh, Colossians 2:16. You can see it right down here for yourself. This is the “Venerabilis Patris”. And Dr. [?] commented on this as well. You can see where he tries to use Galatians 4:10 to argue against them as well. Now we did a video on this earlier and we commented how Galatians was referring to, uh, to to the Galatians who were not Jews originally. And returning back to their previous practices had nothing with going back to the seventh day Sabbath that had everything to do with going back to Pagan, uh, celebration of days that, you know, so. It's interesting that this Inquisitor is trying to use Galatians 4:10 but it was not something that that had anything to do with the seventh day Sabbath. And he was also trying to use Colossians 2:16 as well. But he says here against these heretics namely the Cathari and the Waldenses it is that we what we find is written in Galatians 4:10 etc. He doesn't understand the distinction between ceremonial sabbaths and moral sabbaths, okay. and that was that was one of the arguments.” The listener can draw a conclusion from this Bowen’s statement that Moneta himself objected against Waldenses and used as an argument Galatians 4:10 and Colossians 2:16. Is it so? I’ve checked up the book of Moneta (archive.org/download/venerabilispatri00mone/venerabilispatri00mone.pdf). On the page 475 we find chapter 10 of the fifth book: “De illo Mandato : Memento ut diem Sabbati sanctifices” (About that Commandment: Remember to sanctify the Sabbath day). The 1st (and only) section is titled “De Sabbato, et die Dominico” (About Sabbath and the Lord’s day”). Moneta discusses that Jews observe Sabbath: “Istud mandatum ad literam servabant Judaei …” (The Jews kept this commandment to the letter) [paragraph 1]. In the 2nd paragraph [p. 476] he says: “Antequam ulterius procedamus , respondendum est cuidam objectioni Judaeorum qui dicunt nos esse transgressores illius mandati; cum dicatur Exod.31. v. 16. & 17. quod sempiternum sit atque perpetuum” (Before we proceed further, we must answer a certain objection of the Jews, who say that we are transgressors of that commandment; because it is said in Exod. 31. v. 16. & 17. which is eternal and everlasting). Then, he gives his apology for Sunday observance. At the end of the 5th paragraph he says: “alias etiam festivitates servamus ex constitutione Ecclesiae , idest veneratione sanctorum & in memoriam ipsorum , idest ut memores simus operum eorum ad faciendum ea. Ecce quam rationabilis causa institutionis Ecclesiae ; quod autem ipsa constituere possit , patet supra cap. 6. hujus partis.” (We also observe other festivals from the constitution of the Church, that is, veneration of the saints and in their memory, that is, that we may be mindful of their works in order to do them. Behold, what a reasonable cause for the institution of the Church; but that she can establish is clear above ch. 6. of this part.) And after this follows that [6th] paragraph which is quoted by Bowen: “Contra istud objicit haereticus, scilicet Catharus et Valdensis …” (Against this the heretic, namely the Cathar and the Waldensian, objects…). Who does object? Moneta [as Bowen himself claims]? NO! Moneta says that it is the heretic who objects. NOT Moneta! Against what does the heretic object? Against the observance of festivals of the Roman Catholic Church. So, it is Waldenses and Cathars who used Gal.4:10,11 and Col.2:16 against Catholic Church. According to Moneta, they claimed that it is a sin to observe the days. And then he gives his answer to these objections [paragraph 8, the last]: “Solutio : Apostolus arguebat eos qui Judaizabant, idest: more Judaeorum illa observabant, quae praecepta erant in lege Domini, propter quod etiam observabant circumcisionem ; … Die ergo festi Judaici non sunt observandi, sed dies ab Ecclesia instituti , ut dictum est.” (Solution: The apostle was accusing those who were Judaizers, that is, they observed the custom of the Jews, which were precepts in the law of the Lord, for which reason they also observed circumcision. ... There are therefore no Jewish holidays to be observed, but days appointed by the Church, as has been said.). Moneta never mentions in this chapter whether Waldenses kept the Sabbath. So, Bowen’s statement that Moneta used Gal.4:10,11 and Col.2:16 against Waldenses is not true. [To be continued in my next comment…]
Suppose you are correct, suppose that they did use Galatians and Colossians 2:16 to deny the feasts of the church and thereby also deny Sunday observance, does that support Myles point about the waldenses keeping a sunday sabbath?
@@Biblicalhope Am I trying to support Myles Ketelsen's position on Waldenses and the Sabbath? No, I am not. But I don't want to use incorrect argumentation. If you know something about cognitive biases, you know that our mind tends to seek that which agrees with our position. I am aware of it. That's why I check whether my own or someone's else interpretation is biased. I do not pretend that I know everything perfectely right. I can err. But, to prove that I am wrong in my interpretation and Damsteegt is right you should address those points which I have touched in my argument, namely: 1) Moneta wrote nothing about Waldenses keeping the Sabbath [show me from the Latin text itself that he did it]; 2) before the paragraph quoted by you Moneta defended himself against Jews, not against heretics [show from the Latin text itself that he defended himself heretics, not Jews]; 3) in the paragraphs quoted by you Moneta uses Latin words which, according to their Grammatical forms, refer to the heretics and show that the heretics were objecting against the practices of the Catholic Church: istud, haereticus and objecit are Singular; 4) after the paragraphs Moneta defends the position of his Church giving solution as he calls his defense, he don't attack the heretics. Moneta's treatise supports nor SDA's position, nor Myles'. Both theological camps can not use it.
@@FishermensCorner Don't be surprised if the Jesuits raise up hundreds or even thousands of what appear to be average people lashing out against the truth and provide a script of talking points to rile up the world against the truth. The devil is busy and ready to punish those who would stray from the modern day apostate narrative.
Most of this critics don't do extensive research on what they present, this critics left the church when they had not just grown spiritually, Even some lady called Colleen presents hatred instead of Christ's gospel
@ Edwin Cotto, My friend Jim Arrebato’s work on Israel of the Alps, and the History of the Sabbath is well done. I am hopeful you will invite Ingo Sorke on your channel. Into Adventism out of the trinity. Thx.
@@larrybedouin2921 can you really find that doctrine and it’s language in the biblical word of God? If Ingo Sorke is invited, get a note book and your Bible out. It’s everything to us to understand this message as a people. You learned the trinity from man, God the Father never ever told us to rename him and call him a 1 god in three. The trinity removes the true Sonship of Jesus to his Father, and his God. We need to unlearn quickly and relearn truth. God the Father is biblical. Son of God is biblical, God the Son is not. The Holy Spirit of God is biblical, God the Holy Spirit is not. The doctrine of Jesus is BOTH Father and Son. The Trinity is three who are ALL equal in age, worship , etc. the Son is not the natural Son of the Father, they are just masquerading a Father and Son relationship. So when God the Father sent his Son, he really didn’t have a literal Son to send. It was only through creating a woman that God the Father could have a literal begotten Son. So Jesus is a Son of himself. It gets very disturbing. It is in bed with Sunday worship. It’s all about who you know and obey and worship.
I was raised an Adventist. All teachings are influenced by the writings of Ellen White. Scriptures are explained according to her interpretation. SDAs believe her writings are “divinely inspired commentary”.
@dailyjacobson2146 Thank God we have guidance in her counsel. Nothing to be ashamed of. We and her stand solely on the holy scriptures. Consider: God had written laws and yet in His infinite wisdom gave the ancient Israelites prophets after prophet to guide and keep them grounded.
I praise God ADL for raising the truth of God’s word! Answering Adventism will let you think his point is right but when you take a closer look at his allegations is baseless!
@@JaneNtene I'm looking for somebody that can give me the math equation from 457 B.C .do the fall of 1844.. and have it come out to be 2300.. can you do that? because that's what created you to say what you just did!
Easy, if you understand that the years don't follow a number line with zero in it. Eg from Feb 10th 2BC to Feb 10th 2AD is three years. (10th Feb 2BC to 10th Feb 1BC is one year. Then to 10th Feb 1AD is 2 years, and to 20th Feb 2AD is three years). Using Math, which includes Zero, 2 minus -2 is 4, so subtract 1 for the digit zero to get the alignment with years for the correct answer of 3 years. 1844 minus -457 is 2301 subtract 1 (as above) to get 2300 years. I know this is hard for some to understand because the years around 1BC to 1AD do not follow a number line -1, 0, 1, so an adjustment is necessary. I hope readers of this post can understand, ok? I have tried to explain this to Jamie before, but somehow to no avail.
Except what you said is not true you were proven that flat out by somebody I seen it what you're saying is not true you're using a 360 day year in Daniel 7 that is your confession of faith on that subject you're not using it on this number why is that?. If you did you would be short 33 years right ,from the start you are as Looney as a kite. A.D .and B. C. the established date for Jesus birthday( is the first day of a.d.1 so the first day of B.C. 1( is one year) counting away from that number! it's the same way the other direction! there's nothing in the middle.! @@revelation1790
Myles can't answer two questions I asked him, I have no degrees or college education, he has some type of animosity towards the church just not sure what. I learned today in church that someone there knows Myles on a personal level and Myles dad is a friend of his. I asked Myles two questions, and I suggest anyone use them in defense of our faith, and the S.O.P. 1.) According to Isaiah 8:20 show me a case of any other instructor or prophet in the last 1,000 years who embodied the test of Isaiah 8:20 in the same way E.G.W. did, the Law in this particular passage is the Torah ( the Ten Commandments ) so surely Myles you have another example of a Sabbath keeping prophet before E.G.W.? He can't answer it because there isn't one. 2.) Show me from the scriptures, the commands of divine precepts or laws where God, God the son, Paul, or the disciples commanded the traditional keeping of Sunday over the Sabbath. No answers, and its been 3 weeks since those questions were asked, and all I have gotten is excuses or silence but no answers.
41:43 I'm really disappointed nobody covered the strange coincidence the guy who wrote "Where's Waldo" used to work for a company called "Crusade Insurance." Divine humor at its best.
32:45 Bowen said: “This is Bonacurus who said of these French Waldenses, the Pasagini: “Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called pasagaini. First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath … furthermore so increase their error, they condemn and reject all the church fathers, and the whole Roman Church.”” What Latin sentence did Bowen translate as “Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called pasagaini” ? In the passage (from the page 212) on the screen there is no such sentence. The first sentence is “Adverte ergo tu qui nescis, quam perversa sit illorum fides et doctrina” (Therefore, you who do not know, Take notice how perverted their faith and doctrine are). After it follows the sentence which quoted next by Bowen (“First, they …). If the preceding sentence is actually taken from the preceding first paragraph (from the first sentence), the translation given by Bowen is incorrect. The Lattin sentence (page 211) is “Qualis sit eorum error, qui Pasagii vocantur, et quam illorum sit nefanda fides et doctrina, non jam paucis, sed quam pluribus apparet.” (What is the error of those who are called the Passages, and what is their wicked faith and doctrine, is no longer evident to a few, but to the many.) Why Bowen didn’t translated it fully? And why he didn’t put three dots after it to mark elipsis? You may say, that I am so meticulous, but the way how Bowen gives the quote is not so accurate. And the next sentence also has not been translated quite accurately. The Latin: “In primus enim dicunt, quod Mosaica lex sit ad litteram observanda, et quod Sabbatum et Circumcisio et aliae legales observantiae adhuc habere statum debeant”. In English: “For in the first place they say that the Mosaic law is to be observed literally, and that the Sabbath and Circumcision and other legal observances should still have a status”. But Bowen simply translates as “First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath …”. Quite frankly, it is not very accurate translation at all. It is not good job for a translator. The words of Bonacursus are possiblely misinformation, but, however, we should translate his words correctly. And the last sentence in Latin is “Praeterea ad augmentum sui erroris, omnes Ecclesiam Doctores, et universaliter totam Ecclesiam Romanam judicant et condemnant.” In English: “Moreover, to increase their error, they judge and condemn all the Doctors of the Church and universally the whole Roman Church”. Not Fathers, but Doctors. Not reject, but condemn…
Greetings, if you will examine closer to the citation given at the bottom, it did acknowledge that the start for the quote is on page 211. I fully know that the passage from 212 does not contain all of the quote but that it came from page 211 as well. However, I was highlighting the relevant part in the screenshot to the part about the sabbath. Second, Regarding the translation "in primus enim dicunt".....are we really arguing over the translation dicunt? Anyone can go and do their homework for dicunt and see the history of the word dicunt right back to the word deacon....δείκνυμι (deíknumi). "deíkum, “to show, point out”"..... and it is not just myself but many others who have translated the passage in such a manner. The argument over circumcision is a separate point, though one we can respond to. The point about the ten commandments was the intent to highlight. The inquisitors often attacked with slurs of judaism those who actually believed in Christ and so part of their attacks were to conflate the sabbath with circumcision (as was done at the council of trent January 18th 1562). But as we provided from other sources....it was not because of circumcision but because of keeping the jewish sabbath were the waldenses called insabbatati. Second, if you really want to make a distinction over doctors vs fathers.....lets take a look at EWTN's website where they state "Initially, the Doctors were considered the Church Fathers Augustine, Ambrose, Jerome, and Gregory I the Great, but the Church added others to the list over the centuries." If you wish to argue over condemnant....as to condemn vs to reject....I would ask, how does that help your case? But all of this is to distract and avoid from the original point that.....there were Sabbath keepers there.
@@Biblicalhope Hello! Maybe, it seems to the reader of my comments that I'm picky, that I am nitpicking and missing the main point. In reality, I criticize minor points not because I do it for the sake of criticizing itself. It comes natuarally. I have developed a habit of checking up provided information. I have experienced that many persons, even unbiased and fair ones, provide incorrect information. And incorrectness lied in minor details, but they were crucial, because the presenter of that information builded his position on that details. Also, while I am not a prophessional translator, I have some experience in this field and I am interested in linguistics. I nave no intention to distract from the main point of your presentation. I understand why you quoted Bonacursus’ words: to give an evidence for the fact that the Waldenses kept the Sabbath. And I appreciate that you have done a good work in searching in original sources. However, I, personally, need a correct translation and more broad context than it is usually provided. While I understand that in a such kind of presentation the presenter should not crowd it with many details which will obscure the main point, I think, we still shouldn’t engage in “applique” while quoting the original text. And I think that your translation “First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath ...“ is an example of such “applique”: you cut off the phrases “the Mosaic law is to be observed literally” and “other legal observances should still have a status”, then you glued together remaining “For in the first place they say that” and “the Sabbath”. I think, even if we perfectly understand the Bonacursus’point of accusing the heretics for their keeping the Sabbath, he didn’t write verbatim that “they teach that we should obey the Sabbath”. I prefer more correct approach to the original text: I woud give the exact words and then give brief explanation of the genuine words, but not the “boiled down” essence of the original text. Because we can err in our understanding of that essence it is wiser, I think, to give both the original words and our explanation (interpretation) of them, and the reader will make his own conclusion whether we gave correct interpretation.
@@Biblicalhope James, you wrote: “Second, Regarding the translation "in primus enim dicunt".....are we really arguing over the translation dicunt? Anyone can go and do their homework for dicunt and see the history of the word dicunt right back to the word deacon....δείκνυμι (deíknumi). "deíkum, “to show, point out”"..... and it is not just myself but many others who have translated the passage in such a manner.” It is minor point and it is not so important for the main discussion. But if we will consider it from the point of view of a translator, we should give correct translation of the Latin verb ‘dicunt’. And, please, explain, how the word ‘deacon’ is related to the Latin verb dico (to say, to speak)? The Latin word diaconus is from the Greek word διάκονος (servant). Do you claim that this Greek word comes from the verb δείκνυμι? Can you provide any etymological dictionary of Greek language in support? And also show me an etymological dictionary of Latin language where it is said that the Latin word diaconus comes from δείκνυμι? And show those “many others who have translated the passage in such a manner”. Give me references. Give me, at least, one translator, who translated Bonacursus’ words like you did. I need the name of the translator, the name of an edition etc. It is not attack. I really want to know more about this point. It is quasi-prophessional interest.
@@AnatoliusAquilianus Ok I see the difference of translation on Bonacursus between J N Andrews and some of the more modern paraphrases such as Derrick's book in 2018, or Knutson, or Hullquist, or Tourniaire (on google books). As J N Andrews puts it "Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called Pasagini, and how nefarious their beliefe and doctrine are. But because there are some who do not know them, doctrine are But because there are some who do not know them it does not annoy me to write what I think of them partly from precaution and for their salvation and partly for their shame and confusion in order that their foolishness might become more widely known and that they might be the more condemned and despised of all As we ought to know the good in order to do it so likewise should we know the evil that we might shun it Let those who are not yet acquainted with them please note how perverse their belief and doctrine are First they teach that we should obey the law of Moses according to the letter the Sabbath and circumcision and the legal precepts still being in force." One of the translations I see for "deacon" is messenger. If one wishes to argue over whether they said vs teach....I don't find such a distinction substantive to the point. I will readily admit, I have no formal training in Latin and am fully capable of making a mistake. But it is what I have found others say who have such experience. I invite the reader to check it out for themselves. See if it is correct or not. Decide for yourself if the arguing over teach vs say, makes a difference in the point.
Does the Seventh day Adventist Church believe that Ellen White’s writings hold the same authority as canonical Scriptures? I realize many SDAs consider her to be a non-canonical prophet. But my question is, does the church teach that she holds the same authority as biblical writers? Apparently, Myles believes that Adventists elevate her in the same way as Catholics elevate the pope. Which is why he depicts her with a papal tiara on her head.
1:07:17 From a Protestant point of view, that is no different than the grace period before judgment comes. In other words, investigative judgment is an event typology, so recognizing the same event typology in the end times is it necessary to understand the concept of the "investigative judgment" before every major judgment occurs in the bible.... it's such a horrible name... lol
When all is said and done what matters is Jesus Christ who is our example in all things kept the Sabbath as was his custom or else Jesus would have sinned. And Jesus as the Son of God gave us the 10 commandments and the 4th commandment says: Remember to keep the Sabbath Day Holy. And Sin is the breaking of any of the commandments and the wages for unforgiven sin is death and the soul that sinneth shall surely die and cease to exist after being thrown into the lake of fire in the end as part of the final sentencing of the lost. And again the 4th commandment says: Remember to keep the Sabbath Day Holy. Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. and in Luke 4:16 Jesus went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,
Myles Ketelsen or Myles Christian, did he change his name on TH-cam? Does TH-cam shadow ban? I responded on his Myles Christian post and suddenly, i could still see my comment but people were no longer responding. I challenged him on being a uniter or divider and that Satan is the accuser of the brethren.
Exactly what you do you accuse Protestants for not keeping the law when they're saved by Jesus Christ you try to keep the law and you're not saved by Jesus Christ
Myles continuously states half truths and comes to his false conclusions. I have challenged him many times in the comment section but he seems to like to book burn them as they destroy his narrative. He has awesome tattoos though.
You're not telling the truth! I've seen your statements! Give me the truth on this one! how do you get to 1844 in the fall. With 2300? that is what created you !and you say that's the truth! show it to me! Everything else is just like that math equation!( that you think is true!)
@@JamieElison (-457+2300=1843 no year 0 so add 1 =1844) now let's use the Jewish calender 3304 coresponds to 457bc the year the decree was given (3304+2300=5604) 5604 in the Roman calendar brings you right to October of 1844. The math never lies. keep in mind the fall of 1843 to the fall of 1844 are all the same 2300th year
Not the best argument, in my opinion. Being a Jew, I’m sure Jesus was circumcised and kept all of the Jewish holy days. So can we really say that Jesus was our example in ALL things? Paul is very clear in Romans 14 that we are not to judge another person regarding which day they keep holy.
Myles did a full video on why he won’t directly engage with you guys, so to continue inviting him on knowing he won’t is disingenuous. Why was the quote by Samuele Bacchiocchi not addressed?
So long as critics continue making anti-SDA videos that misrepresent our beliefs, ADL will continue to confront them. We'll be a thorn on their side. Samuele was obviously wrong as we proved in this video with almost 10 historical references.
Bacchiocchi may have his personal opinions, but we are in the 21st century where AI, google books, and online libraries are a real opportunity for anyone to fact check the so-called "experts".....and see for himself if they were right. In this case, he was not. Neither should he have gone to Rome to obtain an education.
@@SkrttWesside24 I told you the absolute truth. Just To say Jesus Christ blood has sins in it!! that go to into a sanctuary. To pay for your sins is the most blasphemous statement you can make.!( His perfect blood pays for you in the sanctuary. )..(To redeem you to him..).. which is your confession of faith .. is that the sanctuary needs to be cleansed for sin.. which is saying Jesus Christ is not Jesus Christ... You have already been in Babylon ever since you were SDA .(and your confession of faith is the devil removes your sins Leviticus 1610. ).To become a member! that is your confession of Faith! you've been in Babylon forever ..Jesus Christ does not know who you are!
What you fail to see and remember, Jesus told His Church, The Gates of hell will try to prevail against His Church, but not to worry, because Jesus will be with His Church until the end of age. So If the Waldenses were Jesus' Church back in those days, Why didn't they manage to persevere and continue on to this day? According to you, the evil one has prevailed against them, because they are now shaking hands with the Pope. There's only One Church, One Baptism, One Body, which has prevailed throughout the ages
The same thing that happened to Judas. Judas was walking with Christ but he decided to walk away. The same can happen to anyone who walks away from the truth. The church of Christ will always remain but the members can decide to walk away.
Jesus healed a lame man on Sabbath, John 5:1-18, than told him, 'Get your beddings and walk." Of course Jesus did an holy act on the Sabbath but why authorise the lame man to break the Sabbath, by packing up and walking (home)?
Because It wasn't breaking the sabbath to pick up his bed, it was going against the tradition of the scribes and the Pharisees. Jesus was showing them that they were hypocrites and their traditions were unbiblical burdens placed to the people, on the sabbath day and every other traditions that God had not commanded.
It's because of the critics that I actually became an SDA. I was raised Baptist and tried to follow critics logic but ultimately became an sda by trying to prove them wrong in 2016 and started doing public Evangelism the last crusade ended last Sabbath with 10 baptisms. Praise the LORD!
Praise God!
Praise Him!
So now the devil is doing your atonement written in the investigative judgment. That's your confession of faith!
@@JamieElison Repent Jamie, time is short.
@@dontfeedthepirates who are you to tell me a Christian..? to repent ..when you haven't got Jesus Christ yet? You said He's the devil (doing your atonement) in the investigative judgment (that's your confession of faith)!. You can't get to the fall of 1844 with 2300..( all the rest of it is just like that )! the math will not let you do it!
The young men at the Advent Defense League are so kind. That is the right spirit. Talk the truth in love. Blessings, my brothers! It's an important work that you're doing.
Loving this. No more unanswered accusations from SDA haters. I love the spirit in which they address these issues. God bless and keep you.
It's a different spirit altogether.
I love truth❤praise God for the SDA church.
Thank you Elder Cotto and James Bowen, amazing history,amazing presentation. Our brethren and lovers of the Truth, showing the true character of God.
While exposing the truth behind channel answering adventism, we also need to pray for Myles Ketelsen, all of us, so that GOD can show us miracle.
I just came across this channel and I and enthused to follow your works. Apologetics are not very common in the SDA Church.
Thank God for the work you are doing. Excellent quotations. Lets answer unbelievers with Christ like kindness
Thanks very much Advent Defense league for the work you are doing. Continue to share the truth in God's words, here a little and there a little, according to scriptures. Just remember that many who rejected God's word, (His Ten Commandments) will read and study but they will not be able to come to a full knowledge of God and His word.
Please continue to defend the Advent message with the help of the Holy spirit, Let us all continue to pray for These critics ,so that they may come to a full acknowledge of God's Truth.
God continues to bless your ministry
Great work, guys. Come back home, Miles, before it's too late.
GOD BLESS YOU.ONLY THE TRUTH, WILL SET US FREE. I have been blessed with this presentation.
Thank you so much for this! The guest, with his diligent research, exposed the lack of understanding of "real" history that the critic accused Adventists of not knowing. "The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him." Proverbs 18:17
May you guys keep shining the light so that all may see.
God bless!
Can you show me how to get saved?
The uploader does not let me ask you how do I get saved
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29
@@cubixcross when did he do that for you
@@cubixcross when did he do that for you?
Awesome information! I love the history brought out here. I'm so thankful I'm in the SDA church and have a love for the truth!!
Praise God what a wealth of information and research in defence of truth.
God is using you mightly
While exposing the truth behind channel answering adventism, we also need to pray for Myles Ketelsen, all of us, so that GOD can show us miracle.
The truth will always prevail.
Wishing you God's blessings and may He Protect you.
Amen just found this group of SDA...loving it thus far!!!
Since 2008 I only heard of you about a monrh ago and I am an Advenrist.
No use in arguing with Miles, doesn't matter what u say, I've been there.
this helps. Sabbath school lesson is also in line with this video. Additional knowledge from historical religious past
Strong, solid argument. Much more convincing than the other side.
0:00 - Intro
1:34 - About ADL
3:15 - Today's topic
5:28 - Welcome James Bowen
7:48 - James's Background with Studying the Waldenses
10:07 - Moment to Pray
11:37 - Earliest Documents of the Waldenses
12:46 - The Waldenses of today compared to ancient times
16:04 - Myles's view of the Waldenses
22:06 - Waldenses saw themselves in Revelation 12
23:37 - Myles's claim against Waldensians keeping the Sabbath refuted
45:34 - Hundreds of Waldensians kept the Sabbath
47:47 - What Changed With the Waldensians?
56:12 - Myles's claim about the Waldensian view of the Law of God
59:25 - Myles's claim on Religious Liberty
1:02:36 - Waldenses recognized the Pope as the Antichrist
1:03:33 - Myles's version of Westminister Confession
1:06:31 - Earliest Understanding of the 2,300-day Prophecy
1:08:42 - 10 Individuals who stood for truth
1:10:54 - Closing Thoughts / Announcements
Great live! May God continue to bless the ADL!
Just because they exist. doesn't mean God's blessing them!
@@JamieElison that’s right! We know God is blessing them because they are sharing the everlasting gospel ❤️ we know God is blessing them because they are sharing in love and truth.
@sevenbranchcandlestic where where is that written in the Bible?. Revelation 14 doesn't happen until the last time times and a half a time the last 42 months of time did the children of Daniel 12! That's not speaking of you!
@@sevenbranchcandlesticks Revelation 14 is not written to you. That's written to the ( children of Daniel Daniel 12! for the last time times and a half a Time on the face of the Earth. The 42 months of Revelation 13:5!.. if you're still here then, you have missed Jesus Christ completely!
@@sevenbranchcandlestickswhat's the matter uploader don't you don't like me to respond to somebody that asked me a question? or made a statement to me!? You're not the people of Revelation 14 or Revelation 12! What you're speaking of is not the everlasting gospel in the first place! The everlasting gospels is1st Peter 2:24!
*Great presentation* - Thorough research.
God bless ADL❤❤❤
Amazing presentation!! Thank you!! 🙏👏🏆
Thanks for putting in the work!
While exposing the truth behind channel answering adventism, we also need to pray for Myles Ketelsen, all of us, so that GOD can show us miracle.
Thorough. Keep up the good work.
Amen. Great work guys, Blessings!
The Waldenses were persecuted due to keeping the Sabbath as well as other beliefs contrary to the Pope and the Catholic Church.
Thank you for this presentation.
Thank you for this message.
Keep it up brother! Godbless and happy sabbath!
I am finding that Miles is very selective in what he claims to be the truth
He’s a liar he knows what he his doing…. This happens too frequently for it to be coincidence…. He has an agenda but that’s as much as I will say….. I’ve watched his videos and see it laced with deception @1:04:49 onwards was a nail inna sure place for that coffin. You think he didn’t see that part as well. It’s clearly evident he’s up to deceive not to save
@@Javaun_PowellJesus does not know who you are
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv and are you Jesus’ attorney ?
@@Javaun_Powell I am one of the people of 1st Corinthians 6:2 based upon your statement of faith you can't be Christian which is righteous judgement we have the right to make righteous judgment
yes he told us to go represent him preaching the truth of the Gospel representing him
I feel bad for miles. He had the same teacher I did for one of our religion classes and the teacher was a terrible teacher. If you had questions that was against the Adventist faith he would pretty much shun you. I couldn’t stand him and had to drop the class and take it from a different teacher. Miles just needs our prayer. Miles is an amazing artist. He loved drawing tattoo art when we were at SAU together.
Interesting bit of information. Thanks for sharing.
God INSTITUTED the Seventh Day Sabbath at CREATION, SANCTIFIED it, MADE it HOLY, said to REMEMBER it and WROTE it with His finger on STONE TABLETS. Case Closed! How is it that it's the one commandment people want to do away with or change?
It’s the commandment that takes surrender of time and focus on God as our creator. Satan hates Gods sabbath.
*The Baptist historian Orchard records:* -- *"The real Waldenses abhorred every vestige of the man of sin,* (p. 316)."
A celebrated leader among the Waldenses and Albigenses, Arder Joachim of Calabria, the year 1190, when in conversation with Richard, the Lion Hearted, said, "Certain wicked nations called 'Gog' and 'Magog' shall rise up to destroy the Church of God and shall subvert the race of Christians, and then shall be the Day of Judgment. He says John speaks of the church, that the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared of God that He should feed her there a thousand, two hundred, and sixty days." - Jones, History of the Christian Church, Vol. II, 5:1, p. 266. (Dugger, p. 145).
*President Edwards says of this people, later called Waldenses, Puritans, etc.:* -- *“Some of the popish writers themselves own that this people never submitted to the church of Rome. One of the popish writers, speaking of the Waldenses, says, ‘The heresy of the Waldenses is the oldest heresy in the world.* It is supposed that they first betook themselves to this place among the mountains, where they existed before Constantine the Great, and thus the woman fled into the wilderness, from the face of the serpent (Revelation 12:6, 14). *‘And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.’* The people being settled there, their posterity continued (there) from age to age; and being, as it were, by natural walls, as well as by God’s grace, separated from the rest of the world, they never partook of the overflowing corruption.” - Edward’s History of Redemption, period 3, part 4, sec. 2.
The following historical sketch tells of a body of believers who fled out of Judaea late in the fourth century, and who by their faith were evidently the Church of God. The Bishop of Ely names these also as a body of Sabbath-keepers whose heresy was condemned by the church. Joseph Bingham, M.A., gives the following account of them: - *“There was another sect, . . . ‘Hypsistarians,’ that is, worshipers of the most high God, whom they worshiped as the Jews only in one person. And they observed their Sabbaths, and used distinction of their meats, clean and unclean,* though they did not regard circumcision, as Gregory Nazianzen whose father was one of this sect, gives the account of them.” - Antiquities of the Christian Church, book 16, chap. 6, sec. 2.
*It is not strange that the church which fled out of Judaea at the word of Christ should long retain the Sabbath, as it appears that they did, even as late as the fourth century. Morer mentions these Sabbathkeepers in the following language:* -- *“About the same time were the Hypsistarii, who closed with these as to what concerned the Sabbath,* yet would by no means accept circumcision as too plain a testimony of ancient bondage. All these were heretics, and so adjudged to by the Catholic church. Yet their [sincerity] and industry were such as gained them a considerable footing in the Christian world.” - *Dialogues on the Lord’s Day, p. 67*
*“Gradually the first day of the week came into prominence as an added day, but finally by civil and ecclesiastical authority as a required observance.* The first legislation on the subject was the famous law of Constantine, enacted 321 AD. The acts of various councils during the fourth and fifth centuries established the observance of the first day of the week by ecclesiastical [Roman Catholic] authority, and in the great apostasy which followed, the rival day [Sunday] observed the ascendancy. *During the centuries which followed, however, there were always witnesses for the true Sabbath, although under great persecution. And thus in various lands, the knowledge of the true Sabbath has been preserved.”* - *Wharey’s Church History, p. 37, Presbyterian.*
*FIVE HUNDRED TO SIX HUNDRED AD.*
*The Flight of the True Church to the Wilderness:* -- It was between 500 and 600 AD. that the Church of God was sorely oppressed by the state religion clothed with civil power, and completely overpowered, and scattered to the valleys of the mountains in all parts of the world. We shall now insert a few facts from reliable historians to show how the true followers of Jesus were indeed driven into the wilderness, where they took refuge in the rocks, and dens, and caves of the earth, yet they rejoiced in persecution, and lived in humble obedience to the will of God, being fed by Him from His word.
*The historian Jones gives an account of the flight of the persecuted saints from the oppression of the harlot church seated upon the Roman beast. His account follows:* -- *“Multitudes however, fled like innocent and defenseless sheep from these devouring wolves. They crossed the Alps, and traveled in every direction, as Providence and the prospect of safety conducted them, into Germany, England, France, Italy, and other countries. There they trimmed their lamps, and shone with new luster. Their worth everywhere drew attention, and their doctrine formed increasing circles around them. The storm which threatened their destruction only scattered them as the precious seeds of the glorious reformation of the Christian Church.”* - Jones’ Church History, p. 208, ed. 1837.
*Valley Dwellers - Vaudois*
The fleeing Christians who escaped from the wrath of the Roman church and state, found a haven in the mountains and valleys of the north of Italy, and the south of France, in main, although they fled into all nations wherein they could find an entrance and protection from the persecutions of the papacy. Though these Christians were known by many names for various reasons in their new homes, yet the predominating name for them seems to have been “Vaudois,” which means “Valley Dwellers.” From the fact they dwelt in the valleys of the mountains they received the name “Valley Dwellers,” or, in the native tongue, “Vaudois.” The Vaudois, known as such by the world, but holding to the true Bible name, were persecuted for the true faith. *They observed the seventh day of the week, according to the commandment, immersed for believers baptism, and kept the Passover, or the Lord’s Supper, once a year, in the first month.* - *See pages 348, 349, Persecutions and Atrocities on the Vaudois.*
*Gilly says of these ancient “Valley Dwellers,” who had fled from the wrath of the papal church in its early centuries, and were still found abiding under the protection of the Almighty in the Waldensian wilderness in the thirteenth century:*
“They occupy a mountain district . . . and yet from this secluded spot, have they disseminated doctrines, whose influence is felt over the most refined and civilized part of Europe. They . . . speak the same language, have the same patriarchal habits, and simple virtues, and retain the same religion, which was known to exist there more than a thousand years ago. *They profess to constitute the remains of the pure and primitive Christian church, and those who would question their claims cannot show either by history or tradition that they were subscribed to the popish rituals, or bowed down before any of the idols of the Roman church* . . . . In short, there is no other way of explaining the political, moral, and religious phenomenon, which the Vaudois have continued to display for so many centuries, than by ascribing it to the manifest interposition of Providence, which has chosen in them the weak things of this world to confound the things that are mighty.’“ - *Gilly, Excursions to Piedmont, pp. 259.*
From the above testimony we gather that the Vaudois had inhabited these same valleys for over one thousand years, and that they made the claim, which could not be disputed, that they were the remains, the remnant, of the true Church of God, who had fled into the wilderness. It should be noted also that no history can show these saints of God to ever have been within the fold of the Catholic Church, but had remained separate, letting their light shine, through the darkest hours of the Dark Ages.
Wow, this is a clean sweep, wiping out and erasing all suggestions to the contrary.
The Sabbatarian martyrs, also women, also that young woman: God's inspiration gives strength beyond human endurance, amen.
Also matching Calvin's mistake on spiritualising the Sabbath to the Inquisitor's influence.
I’m glad I discovered you only a few days ago
Thank you 🙏
Awesome study.
The Devil and his own will work to unleash hell on Adventism, but alas it matters not. You can do nothing against the truth only for it😁
The only truth in adventistism is Saturday is the seventh day and therefore it's the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of rest, if you are a priest and you perform your duties on the Sabbath, You are working. SDA ministers and pastors are getting paid to preach on the Sabbath. The bus driver is working and so on. " I perceive that GOD is no respecter of persons, but if any man be a worshiper,HIM HE HEARETH! now that completely levels the playing field! does it?
@@terrencehall7264 You speak like A Pharisee.
@@BEvans7 the Pharisees are the original SDA they didn't want Jesus to heal the lame man on the Sabbath and they rebuked the disciples for picking and eating corn on the Sabbath. But Jesus promptly rebuked the Pharisees for their hypocrisy. You speak like an adventist.
In the task of bettering the world, every human group has a role to play. William Miller & Adventists have already inspired humanity with a spirit of hopefulness by calling attention to divine intervention in history. Ellen White & Adventists have & continue to promote God’s laws & healthful living. As a Baha’i, I cherish Adventists & thank them for their contribution to our world. May God bless Adventists.
I don't know why his channel is called Answering Adventism.
He won't answer a single comment I leave him and I'm an Adventist.
He even deletes most of my comments.
I call his religion Mylesbeterian. He is far from Christlike, very rude.
Mylesbeterian? 😲😄
Amen!
Great video!
Lord grant me strength to stand for truth
Another great defense ADL. Our critics including Myles should do some research and then they'll meet truth
What did he ever say that's not the truth
@@cbvagabond just as you said.. just as soon as you get that first lie that you you can get to 1844 in the fall with 2,300.. then you can start acting like you can teach something.. but until you do ,,,that your teaching..( the same thing as that equation proves you are!) That's your foundation).. you can't even interpret Daniel 8 .including Daniel 8 13! the verse just head of what made you do what you did!
@@cbvagabond maybe it's because he's never been corrected I've never seen these guys do anything but lie!
@@cbvagabond the uploader is helping you not letting me send you your answer ask him why he is doing that!
@@JamieElisonYou are too old for this
You didn't respond to anything said in the video
You are here again to rant like you always do... I'm surprised how an elderly person like you should be behaving in such a manner
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Wow, Answeringadventism got a very nice and lovely strawman! ... why am I surprised? Every critic has failed tremendously to answer Adventism properly
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Myles Pastor dad never taught Ellen White in his church. He doesn't even know Ellen White. My recent sermon directly addresses the Eastern Orthodox church, so his point on that prooves alignment with Eastern Orthodoxy.... and I've never read the Great Controversy.
Happy-go-lucky sabbath rest
myLes catchin' more L's than elbows. ahaha Myles, give it up bro! lol
A lot of the critics, nay sayer's, and whomever else will start coming around especially when the Sunday Laws start dropping and they realize, " Ohhh man the SDA's were all along " lol
They will still find some excuse 😔
@@thatnicekid04 Most of them, but there will be those that Sister White says will come out, and join God's remnant.
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl Amen 🙏
@@thatnicekid04 ,Thank you my brothers,GOD continue.to bless you,we know the accuser,of the brethren,is behind this he knows the sunday,law is about to soon to be passed,and he is focusing on SDA,thank you for helping us and confused,souls to understand the truth,no weapon formed against the remnant,shall prosper,Saints you were raised up for a time such as this.Amen.
GOD BLESS THE adventist defense league. I love your presentation of God 's trutt.The truth that sets people free from delusive and deceptive doctrines of devils .Jesus is = truth (john14:6).God the Father=truth (john4:24).The Holy spirit =truth (1john5:6).The LAW(ten commandments)=Truth. Conclusion:Jesus, God the Father, the Holy spirit do not contradict nor undermine the law of the ten commandments in any wise.so,let us go ahead and defend the truth of God vehemently without fear of death (Rev2:10).Any teacher or teaching that deviates from the standard of truth is to be recognised as stemming from a realm of darkness rather than light .Jesus christ is the true sabbath (colossians 2:16).He (Jesus)provides divine rest for human restlessness.God is in harmony with his law.it is the transcript of His character).the law of God is from infinite past to infinite future. The law is as eternal as God himself. Those who think the law ended on the cross are totally deceived. The law survives in the person of Jesus who became the law (sabbath).Hate the sabbath, you hate Jesus because the sabbath, the entire law is one with Jesus christ. No contradiction. Those who make void the law of God in anyway are making God to contradict Himself (see psalm 119:126).God will throw into the lake of fire all those who negate and make void the law of God. Notice Jesus 's remarks on those who subtract the minutest detail of God law in mathew5:17-19.).While we agree that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus christ. True faith establishes the whole law of God. Embrace and affirm 10 out 10 commandments of God in true faith. Why hate only one law(the fourth commandment)and think you can enter God's Holy Heaven with only nine commandments. The nine commandments are not equal to God's character without including the fourth commandment).by pastor Austin moonga, DIRECTOR, THE FUTURE IS PERFERCT MINISTRY, CHOMA, ZAMBIA, CENTRAL AFRICA.
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Hey Myles, bitterness and hatred are not a replacement for good scholarship. Pray that God will deliver you from your hatred and bitterness first and then ask for the Holy Spirit to give you true wisdom.
James Bowen says (time-code: 29:29-31:00):
“But let's take a look in the 12th century: what the hot topic was. Moneta of Cremona was one of the inquisitors in the 12th century who opposed the Waldenses, specifically for Sabbath keeping. And his argument was “De sabbato and de die Dominico”. He makes a distinction there in between the Sunday and the Sabbath. And he specifically uses second, uh, Colossians 2:16. You can see it right down here for yourself. This is the “Venerabilis Patris”. And Dr. [?] commented on this as well. You can see where he tries to use Galatians 4:10 to argue against them as well. Now we did a video on this earlier and we commented how Galatians was referring to, uh, to to the Galatians who were not Jews originally. And returning back to their previous practices had nothing with going back to the seventh day Sabbath that had everything to do with going back to Pagan, uh, celebration of days that, you know, so. It's interesting that this Inquisitor is trying to use Galatians 4:10 but it was not something that that had anything to do with the seventh day Sabbath. And he was also trying to use Colossians 2:16 as well. But he says here against these heretics namely the Cathari and the Waldenses it is that we what we find is written in Galatians 4:10 etc. He doesn't understand the distinction between ceremonial sabbaths and moral sabbaths, okay. and that was that was one of the arguments.”
The listener can draw a conclusion from this Bowen’s statement that Moneta himself objected against Waldenses and used as an argument Galatians 4:10 and Colossians 2:16. Is it so? I’ve checked up the book of Moneta (archive.org/download/venerabilispatri00mone/venerabilispatri00mone.pdf). On the page 475 we find chapter 10 of the fifth book: “De illo Mandato : Memento ut diem Sabbati sanctifices” (About that Commandment: Remember to sanctify the Sabbath day). The 1st (and only) section is titled “De Sabbato, et die Dominico” (About Sabbath and the Lord’s day”). Moneta discusses that Jews observe Sabbath: “Istud mandatum ad literam servabant Judaei …” (The Jews kept this commandment to the letter) [paragraph 1]. In the 2nd paragraph [p. 476] he says: “Antequam ulterius procedamus , respondendum est cuidam objectioni Judaeorum qui dicunt nos esse transgressores illius mandati; cum dicatur Exod.31. v. 16. & 17. quod sempiternum sit atque perpetuum” (Before we proceed further, we must answer a certain objection of the Jews, who say that we are transgressors of that commandment; because it is said in Exod. 31. v. 16. & 17. which is eternal and everlasting). Then, he gives his apology for Sunday observance. At the end of the 5th paragraph he says: “alias etiam festivitates servamus ex constitutione Ecclesiae , idest veneratione sanctorum & in memoriam ipsorum , idest ut memores simus operum eorum ad faciendum ea. Ecce quam rationabilis causa institutionis Ecclesiae ; quod autem ipsa constituere possit , patet supra cap. 6. hujus partis.” (We also observe other festivals from the constitution of the Church, that is, veneration of the saints and in their memory, that is, that we may be mindful of their works in order to do them. Behold, what a reasonable cause for the institution of the Church; but that she can establish is clear above ch. 6. of this part.) And after this follows that [6th] paragraph which is quoted by Bowen: “Contra istud objicit haereticus, scilicet Catharus et Valdensis …” (Against this the heretic, namely the Cathar and the Waldensian, objects…). Who does object? Moneta [as Bowen himself claims]? NO! Moneta says that it is the heretic who objects. NOT Moneta! Against what does the heretic object? Against the observance of festivals of the Roman Catholic Church. So, it is Waldenses and Cathars who used Gal.4:10,11 and Col.2:16 against Catholic Church. According to Moneta, they claimed that it is a sin to observe the days. And then he gives his answer to these objections [paragraph 8, the last]: “Solutio : Apostolus arguebat eos qui Judaizabant, idest: more Judaeorum illa observabant, quae praecepta erant in lege Domini, propter quod etiam observabant circumcisionem ; … Die ergo festi Judaici non sunt observandi, sed dies ab Ecclesia instituti , ut dictum est.” (Solution: The apostle was accusing those who were Judaizers, that is, they observed the custom of the Jews, which were precepts in the law of the Lord, for which reason they also observed circumcision. ... There are therefore no Jewish holidays to be observed, but days appointed by the Church, as has been said.). Moneta never mentions in this chapter whether Waldenses kept the Sabbath. So, Bowen’s statement that Moneta used Gal.4:10,11 and Col.2:16 against Waldenses is not true.
[To be continued in my next comment…]
Suppose you are correct, suppose that they did use Galatians and Colossians 2:16 to deny the feasts of the church and thereby also deny Sunday observance, does that support Myles point about the waldenses keeping a sunday sabbath?
@@Biblicalhope Am I trying to support Myles Ketelsen's position on Waldenses and the Sabbath? No, I am not. But I don't want to use incorrect argumentation. If you know something about cognitive biases, you know that our mind tends to seek that which agrees with our position. I am aware of it. That's why I check whether my own or someone's else interpretation is biased. I do not pretend that I know everything perfectely right. I can err. But, to prove that I am wrong in my interpretation and Damsteegt is right you should address those points which I have touched in my argument, namely: 1) Moneta wrote nothing about Waldenses keeping the Sabbath [show me from the Latin text itself that he did it]; 2) before the paragraph quoted by you Moneta defended himself against Jews, not against heretics [show from the Latin text itself that he defended himself heretics, not Jews]; 3) in the paragraphs quoted by you Moneta uses Latin words which, according to their Grammatical forms, refer to the heretics and show that the heretics were objecting against the practices of the Catholic Church: istud, haereticus and objecit are Singular; 4) after the paragraphs Moneta defends the position of his Church giving solution as he calls his defense, he don't attack the heretics.
Moneta's treatise supports nor SDA's position, nor Myles'. Both theological camps can not use it.
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Isn't great how Jesus Christ died once for us all😊
Yep! And when He comes back, He's gonna be the one doing the killing this time. He's not coming as a sheep,He coming as a lion!
Myles is reading from a script. He seems to possibly being given these things to say otherwise if he really knew it he wouldn’t need a script.
Hmmm, that's very likely.
@@FishermensCorner Don't be surprised if the Jesuits raise up hundreds or even thousands of what appear to be average people lashing out against the truth and provide a script of talking points to rile up the world against the truth. The devil is busy and ready to punish those who would stray from the modern day apostate narrative.
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Most of this critics don't do extensive research on what they present, this critics left the church when they had not just grown spiritually, Even some lady called Colleen presents hatred instead of Christ's gospel
@ Edwin Cotto, My friend Jim Arrebato’s work on Israel of the Alps, and the History of the Sabbath is well done.
I am hopeful you will invite Ingo Sorke on your channel. Into Adventism out of the trinity. Thx.
Can you connect him with us?
Out of the trinity? That would be a false teacher.
Oh, is he an anti-trinitatian?
@@larrybedouin2921 can you really find that doctrine and it’s language in the biblical word of God? If Ingo Sorke is invited, get a note book and your Bible out. It’s everything to us to understand this message as a people. You learned the trinity from man, God the Father never ever told us to rename him and call him a 1 god in three. The trinity removes the true Sonship of Jesus to his Father, and his God. We need to unlearn quickly and relearn truth.
God the Father is biblical.
Son of God is biblical, God the Son is not.
The Holy Spirit of God is biblical, God the Holy Spirit is not.
The doctrine of Jesus is BOTH Father and Son. The Trinity is three who are ALL equal in age, worship , etc.
the Son is not the natural Son of the Father, they are just masquerading a Father and Son relationship. So when God the Father sent his Son, he really didn’t have a literal Son to send. It was only through creating a woman that God the Father could have a literal begotten Son. So Jesus is a Son of himself. It gets very disturbing. It is in bed with Sunday worship. It’s all about who you know and obey and worship.
@@AdventDefenseLeagueyes
The Protestants stand on the Bible alone. The SDA wouldn't and couldn't stand without E G White.
And if you say you could, you won't.
As an SDA my foundation is the Bible and the Bible alone. I love the writings of Ellen White though.
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I was raised an Adventist. All teachings are influenced by the writings of Ellen White. Scriptures are explained according to her interpretation. SDAs believe her writings are “divinely inspired commentary”.
@dailyjacobson2146 Thank God we have guidance in her counsel. Nothing to be ashamed of. We and her stand solely on the holy scriptures.
Consider:
God had written laws and yet in His infinite wisdom gave the ancient Israelites prophets after prophet to guide and keep them grounded.
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IS A TRANSCRIPT AVAILABLE FOR THIS VIDEO IN CLUDING HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS CITED?
I praise God ADL for raising the truth of God’s word! Answering Adventism will let you think his point is right but when you take a closer look at his allegations is baseless!
Did they use the Bible, in the context that it is written?
Amen
@@JaneNtene I'm looking for somebody that can give me the math equation from 457 B.C .do the fall of 1844.. and have it come out to be 2300.. can you do that? because that's what created you to say what you just did!
Easy, if you understand that the years don't follow a number line with zero in it. Eg from Feb 10th 2BC to Feb 10th 2AD is three years. (10th Feb 2BC to 10th Feb 1BC is one year. Then to 10th Feb 1AD is 2 years, and to 20th Feb 2AD is three years).
Using Math, which includes Zero, 2 minus -2 is 4, so subtract 1 for the digit zero to get the alignment with years for the correct answer of 3 years.
1844 minus -457 is 2301 subtract 1 (as above) to get 2300 years.
I know this is hard for some to understand because the years around 1BC to 1AD do not follow a number line -1, 0, 1, so an adjustment is necessary.
I hope readers of this post can understand, ok? I have tried to explain this to Jamie before, but somehow to no avail.
Except what you said is not true you were proven that flat out by somebody I seen it what you're saying is not true you're using a 360 day year in Daniel 7 that is your confession of faith on that subject you're not using it on this number why is that?. If you did you would be short 33 years right ,from the start you are as Looney as a kite. A.D .and B.
C. the established date for Jesus birthday( is the first day of a.d.1 so the first day of B.C. 1( is one year) counting away from that number! it's the same way the other direction! there's nothing in the middle.! @@revelation1790
Where can we get that presentation on the waldenseans my friends
Will put it in the description soon.
Myles can't answer two questions I asked him, I have no degrees or college education, he has some type of animosity towards the church just not sure what. I learned today in church that someone there knows Myles on a personal level and Myles dad is a friend of his. I asked Myles two questions, and I suggest anyone use them in defense of our faith, and the S.O.P.
1.) According to Isaiah 8:20 show me a case of any other instructor or prophet in the last 1,000 years who embodied the test of Isaiah 8:20 in the same way E.G.W. did, the Law in this particular passage is the Torah ( the Ten Commandments ) so surely Myles you have another example of a Sabbath keeping prophet before E.G.W.?
He can't answer it because there isn't one.
2.) Show me from the scriptures, the commands of divine precepts or laws where God, God the son, Paul, or the disciples commanded the traditional keeping of Sunday over the Sabbath.
No answers, and its been 3 weeks since those questions were asked, and all I have gotten is excuses or silence but no answers.
41:43 I'm really disappointed nobody covered the strange coincidence the guy who wrote "Where's Waldo" used to work for a company called "Crusade Insurance." Divine humor at its best.
I wish these PowerPoints were accessible
they are over at @Biblicalhope
39:28 everybody might have known then, but I have discovered that hardly anybody knows what "mortal sin" is today.
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Bowen said:
“This is Bonacurus who said of these French Waldenses, the Pasagini: “Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called pasagaini. First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath … furthermore so increase their error, they condemn and reject all the church fathers, and the whole Roman Church.””
What Latin sentence did Bowen translate as “Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called pasagaini” ? In the passage (from the page 212) on the screen there is no such sentence. The first sentence is “Adverte ergo tu qui nescis, quam perversa sit illorum fides et doctrina” (Therefore, you who do not know, Take notice how perverted their faith and doctrine are). After it follows the sentence which quoted next by Bowen (“First, they …). If the preceding sentence is actually taken from the preceding first paragraph (from the first sentence), the translation given by Bowen is incorrect. The Lattin sentence (page 211) is “Qualis sit eorum error, qui Pasagii vocantur, et quam illorum sit nefanda fides et doctrina, non jam paucis, sed quam pluribus apparet.” (What is the error of those who are called the Passages, and what is their wicked faith and doctrine, is no longer evident to a few, but to the many.) Why Bowen didn’t translated it fully? And why he didn’t put three dots after it to mark elipsis? You may say, that I am so meticulous, but the way how Bowen gives the quote is not so accurate. And the next sentence also has not been translated quite accurately. The Latin: “In primus enim dicunt, quod Mosaica lex sit ad litteram observanda, et quod Sabbatum et Circumcisio et aliae legales observantiae adhuc habere statum debeant”. In English: “For in the first place they say that the Mosaic law is to be observed literally, and that the Sabbath and Circumcision and other legal observances should still have a status”. But Bowen simply translates as “First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath …”. Quite frankly, it is not very accurate translation at all. It is not good job for a translator. The words of Bonacursus are possiblely misinformation, but, however, we should translate his words correctly.
And the last sentence in Latin is “Praeterea ad augmentum sui erroris, omnes Ecclesiam Doctores, et universaliter totam Ecclesiam Romanam judicant et condemnant.” In English: “Moreover, to increase their error, they judge and condemn all the Doctors of the Church and universally the whole Roman Church”. Not Fathers, but Doctors. Not reject, but condemn…
Greetings, if you will examine closer to the citation given at the bottom, it did acknowledge that the start for the quote is on page 211. I fully know that the passage from 212 does not contain all of the quote but that it came from page 211 as well. However, I was highlighting the relevant part in the screenshot to the part about the sabbath. Second, Regarding the translation "in primus enim dicunt".....are we really arguing over the translation dicunt? Anyone can go and do their homework for dicunt and see the history of the word dicunt right back to the word deacon....δείκνυμι (deíknumi). "deíkum, “to show, point out”"..... and it is not just myself but many others who have translated the passage in such a manner. The argument over circumcision is a separate point, though one we can respond to. The point about the ten commandments was the intent to highlight. The inquisitors often attacked with slurs of judaism those who actually believed in Christ and so part of their attacks were to conflate the sabbath with circumcision (as was done at the council of trent January 18th 1562). But as we provided from other sources....it was not because of circumcision but because of keeping the jewish sabbath were the waldenses called insabbatati.
Second, if you really want to make a distinction over doctors vs fathers.....lets take a look at EWTN's website where they state "Initially, the Doctors were considered the Church Fathers Augustine, Ambrose, Jerome, and Gregory I the Great, but the Church added others to the list over the centuries." If you wish to argue over condemnant....as to condemn vs to reject....I would ask, how does that help your case?
But all of this is to distract and avoid from the original point that.....there were Sabbath keepers there.
@@Biblicalhope Hello! Maybe, it seems to the reader of my comments that I'm picky, that I am nitpicking and missing the main point. In reality, I criticize minor points not because I do it for the sake of criticizing itself. It comes natuarally. I have developed a habit of checking up provided information. I have experienced that many persons, even unbiased and fair ones, provide incorrect information. And incorrectness lied in minor details, but they were crucial, because the presenter of that information builded his position on that details. Also, while I am not a prophessional translator, I have some experience in this field and I am interested in linguistics. I nave no intention to distract from the main point of your presentation. I understand why you quoted Bonacursus’ words: to give an evidence for the fact that the Waldenses kept the Sabbath. And I appreciate that you have done a good work in searching in original sources. However, I, personally, need a correct translation and more broad context than it is usually provided. While I understand that in a such kind of presentation the presenter should not crowd it with many details which will obscure the main point, I think, we still shouldn’t engage in “applique” while quoting the original text. And I think that your translation “First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath ...“ is an example of such “applique”: you cut off the phrases “the Mosaic law is to be observed literally” and “other legal observances should still have a status”, then you glued together remaining “For in the first place they say that” and “the Sabbath”. I think, even if we perfectly understand the Bonacursus’point of accusing the heretics for their keeping the Sabbath, he didn’t write verbatim that “they teach that we should obey the Sabbath”. I prefer more correct approach to the original text: I woud give the exact words and then give brief explanation of the genuine words, but not the “boiled down” essence of the original text. Because we can err in our understanding of that essence it is wiser, I think, to give both the original words and our explanation (interpretation) of them, and the reader will make his own conclusion whether we gave correct interpretation.
@@Biblicalhope James, you wrote: “Second, Regarding the translation "in primus enim dicunt".....are we really arguing over the translation dicunt? Anyone can go and do their homework for dicunt and see the history of the word dicunt right back to the word deacon....δείκνυμι (deíknumi). "deíkum, “to show, point out”"..... and it is not just myself but many others who have translated the passage in such a manner.”
It is minor point and it is not so important for the main discussion. But if we will consider it from the point of view of a translator, we should give correct translation of the Latin verb ‘dicunt’. And, please, explain, how the word ‘deacon’ is related to the Latin verb dico (to say, to speak)? The Latin word diaconus is from the Greek word διάκονος (servant). Do you claim that this Greek word comes from the verb δείκνυμι? Can you provide any etymological dictionary of Greek language in support? And also show me an etymological dictionary of Latin language where it is said that the Latin word diaconus comes from δείκνυμι? And show those “many others who have translated the passage in such a manner”. Give me references. Give me, at least, one translator, who translated Bonacursus’ words like you did. I need the name of the translator, the name of an edition etc. It is not attack. I really want to know more about this point. It is quasi-prophessional interest.
@@AnatoliusAquilianus Ok I see the difference of translation on Bonacursus between J N Andrews and some of the more modern paraphrases such as Derrick's book in 2018, or Knutson, or Hullquist, or Tourniaire (on google books).
As J N Andrews puts it "Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called Pasagini, and how nefarious their beliefe and doctrine are. But because there are some who do not know them, doctrine are But because there are some who do not know them it does not annoy me to write what I think of them partly from precaution and for their salvation and partly for their shame and confusion in order that their foolishness might become more widely known and that they might be the more condemned and despised of all As we ought to know the good in order to do it so likewise should we know the evil that we might shun it Let those who are not yet acquainted with them please note how perverse their belief and doctrine are First they teach that we should obey the law of Moses according to the letter the Sabbath and circumcision and the legal precepts still being in force."
One of the translations I see for "deacon" is messenger. If one wishes to argue over whether they said vs teach....I don't find such a distinction substantive to the point. I will readily admit, I have no formal training in Latin and am fully capable of making a mistake. But it is what I have found others say who have such experience. I invite the reader to check it out for themselves. See if it is correct or not. Decide for yourself if the arguing over teach vs say, makes a difference in the point.
Does the Seventh day Adventist Church believe that Ellen White’s writings hold the same authority as canonical Scriptures? I realize many SDAs consider her to be a non-canonical prophet. But my question is, does the church teach that she holds the same authority as biblical writers? Apparently, Myles believes that Adventists elevate her in the same way as Catholics elevate the pope. Which is why he depicts her with a papal tiara on her head.
1:07:17 From a Protestant point of view, that is no different than the grace period before judgment comes. In other words, investigative judgment is an event typology, so recognizing the same event typology in the end times is it necessary to understand the concept of the "investigative judgment" before every major judgment occurs in the bible.... it's such a horrible name... lol
Investigative judgement is invented and completely based on EGW visions. Any honest 7 will claim this. Thank God for His Word, Jesus Christ, for defeating her false teaching.
The complete and finished Atonement is
Penal Gal. 3:13 ; 2 Cor. 5:21
Substitutionary Lev. 1:4 ; Isa. 53:5-6 ; 2 Cor. 5:21 ; 1 Pet. 2:24
Voluntary Jn. 10:18
Redemptive Gal. 3:13 ; Eph. 1:7 ; 1 Cor. 6:20
Propitiatory Romans 3:25
Reconciling 2 Cor. 5:18-19 ; Col. 1:21-22
Efficacious Jn. 12:32-33 ; Rom. 5:9-10 ; 2 Cor. 5:21 ; Eph.2:13 ; Heb. 9:11-12,26 ; Heb. 10:10-17 ; 1 Jn. 1:7 ; Rev. 1:5
Revelatory Jn. 3:16 ; Rom. 3:25-26 ; 1 Jn. 4:9-10
Praise God the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ whom I believe in! John 3:16-18
Mr presenter, what's the name of the church that you lead? Can you share what your doctrinal beliefs are?
SDA
When all is said and done what matters is Jesus Christ who is our example in all things kept the Sabbath as was his custom or else Jesus would have sinned.
And Jesus as the Son of God gave us the 10 commandments and the 4th commandment says: Remember to keep the Sabbath Day Holy.
And Sin is the breaking of any of the commandments and the wages for unforgiven sin is death and the soul that sinneth shall surely die and cease to exist after being thrown into the lake of fire in the end as part of the final sentencing of the lost.
And again the 4th commandment says:
Remember to keep the Sabbath Day Holy.
Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
and in Luke 4:16 Jesus went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,
What did he read?
Hey Edwin, where can we find the links?
We'll try to post them in the description soon.
@@AdventDefenseLeague Great. I think TH-cam is blocking links in the comments section. I’ve seen issues with that recently.
@@jwesKeys yea seems like it. And the critics use that to accuse us lol
Why dont you debate Myles ,where is the invedtigative judgement in the bible ,there is a hell,i have a soul,and im REALLY SAVED
"Why don't you debate Myles" lol you must be new around here.
Definitely new
Myles acts like he's an historian😂
Am wondering if Miles is getting paid from reliable sources ??
Myles Ketelsen or Myles Christian, did he change his name on TH-cam? Does TH-cam shadow ban?
I responded on his Myles Christian post and suddenly, i could still see my comment but people were
no longer responding. I challenged him on being a uniter or divider and that Satan is the accuser of the brethren.
So why do you accuse Protestants for not being Christian
Exactly what you do you accuse Protestants for not keeping the law when they're saved by Jesus Christ you try to keep the law and you're not saved by Jesus Christ
Myles continuously states half truths and comes to his false conclusions. I have challenged him many times in the comment section but he seems to like to book burn them as they destroy his narrative. He has awesome tattoos though.
You're not telling the truth! I've seen your statements! Give me the truth on this one! how do you get to 1844 in the fall. With 2300? that is what created you !and you say that's the truth! show it to me! Everything else is just like that math equation!( that you think is true!)
I'm waiting on your answer!
@@JamieElison (-457+2300=1843 no year 0 so add 1 =1844) now let's use the Jewish calender 3304 coresponds to 457bc the year the decree was given (3304+2300=5604) 5604 in the Roman calendar brings you right to October of 1844. The math never lies. keep in mind the fall of 1843 to the fall of 1844 are all the same 2300th year
@@sharidandan4172 there's no zero to add anytime you add a zero you get zero! It goes to one day Jesus's birthday!
@@JamieElison Jesus was born in 4bc,
How old would he be in 1AD?
Jesus kept the sabbath, end of argument.Jesus God kept the sabbath.❤
Not the best argument, in my opinion. Being a Jew, I’m sure Jesus was circumcised and kept all of the Jewish holy days. So can we really say that Jesus was our example in ALL things? Paul is very clear in Romans 14 that we are not to judge another person regarding which day they keep holy.
Myles did a full video on why he won’t directly engage with you guys, so to continue inviting him on knowing he won’t is disingenuous. Why was the quote by Samuele Bacchiocchi not addressed?
So long as critics continue making anti-SDA videos that misrepresent our beliefs, ADL will continue to confront them. We'll be a thorn on their side.
Samuele was obviously wrong as we proved in this video with almost 10 historical references.
Bacchiocchi may have his personal opinions, but we are in the 21st century where AI, google books, and online libraries are a real opportunity for anyone to fact check the so-called "experts".....and see for himself if they were right. In this case, he was not. Neither should he have gone to Rome to obtain an education.
Why would Myles want to talk now? After everything that went down between you guys?
We just saw the Walden's shake hands with the Pope
SDA is also pro-christian nationalism (you've already signed on with the Pope already!)
Wrong again
@@SkrttWesside24 I told you the absolute truth. Just To say Jesus Christ blood has sins in it!! that go to into a sanctuary. To pay for your sins is the most blasphemous statement you can make.!( His perfect blood pays for you in the sanctuary. )..(To redeem you to him..).. which is your confession of faith .. is that the sanctuary needs to be cleansed for sin.. which is saying Jesus Christ is not Jesus Christ... You have already been in Babylon ever since you were SDA .(and your confession of faith is the devil removes your sins Leviticus 1610. ).To become a member! that is your confession of Faith! you've been in Babylon forever ..Jesus Christ does not know who you are!
@@JamieElison sin in jesus blood? Lol
@@SkrttWesside24 why are you cleansing a sanctuary in 1844? if there are no sins in Jesus Christ's.blood?
Did you not sign on to the Catholic church in The ecumenical movement
Too much is coming out to show the bad roots of the SDA movement. Only blind devotees will cling to the sinking ship.
The wheat will grow with the tares till the harvest.
The roots of the Seventh Day Adventist is the Bible alone. READ Matthew 15:3-9; James 2-7-12; Romans 3:31: Romans 8:1-4
Who is this miles? Come forward!.
One word INFILTRATION
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, Jesus is coming again yeah?📯
Who is Myles, was he not an Adventist?
Go to answering adventism and learn the truth for the first time
The uploader doesn't want to let me show you where you get your answers
What you fail to see and remember, Jesus told His Church, The Gates of hell will try to prevail against His Church, but not to worry, because Jesus will be with His Church until the end of age.
So If the Waldenses were Jesus' Church back in those days, Why didn't they manage to persevere and continue on to this day? According to you, the evil one has prevailed against them, because they are now shaking hands with the Pope. There's only One Church, One Baptism, One Body, which has prevailed throughout the ages
The same thing that happened to Judas. Judas was walking with Christ but he decided to walk away. The same can happen to anyone who walks away from the truth. The church of Christ will always remain but the members can decide to walk away.
Jesus healed a lame man on Sabbath, John 5:1-18, than told him, 'Get your beddings and walk." Of course Jesus did an holy act on the Sabbath but why authorise the lame man to break the Sabbath, by packing up and walking (home)?
Because It wasn't breaking the sabbath to pick up his bed, it was going against the tradition of the scribes and the Pharisees.
Jesus was showing them that they were hypocrites and their traditions were unbiblical burdens placed to the people, on the sabbath day and every other traditions that God had not commanded.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. That was not a violation of the Sabbath.
Just heal as Jesus Christ did on Sabbath, with the same motives as His. God will bless you richly.
All your replies lack substance. Jesus directed another person to violate the Sabbath law for a reason.
@@SamSups
What sabbath law from the scriptures did Jesus ask the man to break? Seriously you're calling Jesus a sinner.
Repent!
Yeah, Myles is always making "strawman" arguments and then attacking his made-up accusations against the SDA Church.