Charity Shop Follow Up All Trade and antiques Dealers Banned
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ต.ค. 2024
- This charity should be ashamed of themselves. they have banned all antiques traders and dealers.
With this ban, they have implied that resellers are stopping the community from buying needed items and looking down their nose at us for making money off the charity.
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I agree 100%. If you buy an item from a charity shop, they get what they're asking for it, so who cares who buys it.
they don't want you in for the obvious reason that you can see their rip off tactics !! screw em ! do a search on the directors and see what money they are earning that will show how charitable they actually are
My view has changed greatly on charity shops. 75% of them around London are now hugely overpriced & sadly staffed by resellers who pick the best items before they reach the shelves. That is not a flippant comment I know many of the people behind the counters in my area & I won't buy from them at antique fairs because I know the source. The small amount of my local shops that are not overpriced or staffed by resellers I support with my money & large donations of stock I get from mixed lots at auctions. I drop off a car full most months. But any shop that had a sign banning resellers would never see me again.
The fact that a charity shop is even checking if you're a reseller/collector /general shopper is a joke - they are there to sell items they get for FREE and make money for their charity. They could make the claim about keeping items for the area or for those that need it but that all falls apart when many are charging far more than ebay. The thing I find completely mad about some charity shops is they charge silly prices that most can't afford anyway, items then sit in a shelf for sometimes a year, at the same time they are turning away donations as the stock room is full - why don't they just turn this stuff over quickly, new stick brings in more people, lower prices on general clothes is good for community and they'd actually make some money instead of closing down.
Hi Walter, I am a collector and rummager, I often buy and occassionally sell in order to fund and better my collections. My local charities know me and know what I like etc, I never ask for discounts, they all use Ebay as a price guide but they always thank me for spending and buying. My question is this, if you buy something, what is the time frame for anyone to use an item and possibly sell to buy more? 1 week? 2 weeks? A year? At what point are you classed as a reseller etc...? I think it is absolutely crazy what they are doing, the only people who will suffer are the recipients of the charity proceeds because of all the unsold stock stacked on the shelves..... I really hope they sort this out :)
I agree with everything you say Walter. I think charity shops are the ones who are getting greedy..if they was really bothered about keeping things for the community they wouldn't price clothing up so expensive .I've seem more and more of the price hikes with them and marking up items u can buy brand new from primark for less than half sometimes than there asking in their shops. They are gonna end up folding....because Joe public who they say they are there for can't afford to shop there either as they are putting silly prices on their items.
A lot of the time in charity shops the mindset is if someone has bought it it must be too cheap so they satisfy themselves by making the same thing next time a lot dearer and give themselves a pat on the back when it sits on the shelf for ages
Someone in need isn't going to pay £40 for a tea set. It would be interesting to see how full their bins are getting because nobody will buy .
Agree with you 100%
Thank you
Thanks for posting this update. This video is a masterclass on ethical capitalism and sound economics. You're 100% correct that having dealers buy from local shops helps everyone. It's not a zero-sum game where someone profits at the other's expense. I predict that these shops will reverse their policy once economic reality sets in.
Totally agree with your point of view. Charity shops can always have a policy to offer items at low prices to pensioners or people on benefits. Our local community furniture shop does that on larger pieces and electrical items.
Charity Shops in my city, York, are entitled to Business Rate relief. Since reopening some have lowered their prices as they have to rely on trade from the local community until the tourists return. Then I expect their prices will zoom up again!
With prices like that even the people in the community will be buying on eBay not in their local Charity. Two charities in a town near me have recently closed while my favourite is going stronger than ever. The manager in there told me they both closed because they had silly prices, less local people went in and less people donated to them. This manager knows they get tons of resellers and welcomes them especially when they get people like myself spending £40+ each visit. So the charity near you has now lost a good advisor, scrap deals and probably a good deal of profit due to keeping many traders/dealers out, a crazy move and there's no doubt it will hit them hard
EXACTLY 👍 in a nutshell
This is so true...I donate to the pile high sell cheap charity shops cos I want them to keep going - it’s a two way relationship and that’s how it should be
@@VP-tg8kd same here I’m a reseller and donate to the independent charity shops who have the “get it in get it gone” mentality, sorry to say but the like of the barnado’s, oxfam’s etc can whistle. Another 2 charity shops closed by me as-well in the space of a week recently, simply because there prices where to high 90% of there stock had been sitting unsold for over 12 months, it’s frustrating because there “high price greed mentality” baffles me, the only ones who lose out are the charities.
Do they not realise that the space an item takes up in the shop priced for example at £10 that sits and doesn’t sell for 12 months that same space could of been refilled with the same item selling for £2 and sold 40 times over in the same 12 months !?!?!? That would make them £80 instead of £0... multiply that by 100’s if they applied to all there items !!!! crazy.
Charity shops sell stuff they don’t want to big firms, who do the rounds and pay set amounts for different items. They’ve done this for years, and in the end the little man gets the boot.
That's what happens when you don't make your managers take aptitude tests. Boycott the shop .
I used to volunteer in a CS, they received over 20 bin bags bags (sometimes triple that) of donations and also larger donations every day. Items went out onto the shop floor as soon as they were donated. They piled it high and sold it cheap, nothing was checked, it was a jumble sale of a shop, they never refused a decent item. Place was always packed and the till was always ringing. Same people would come in day after day, some spending hundreds a week. If you saw something you wanted you had to buy it there and then as five minutes later it would be sold to someone else. They made a lot of money, a lot!
That’s the way to do it. Lots of stock, fast moving at good prices. People buy far more like that, I know I would
Its such a knee jerk reaction! Ive sold stuff that i couldnt get rid of to other vintage clothing sellers who’ve then resold it for ££ because they had the right buyers waiting and i didnt. Ive also bought very niche vintage clothing that ive sold for £££ because i understand that market and the charity wouldn’t have a clue, nor would they have the customer. You ask a price, someone pays it but you dont get to say what they do with it is my opinion.
Exactly! You purchase it and it is yours to do what you will!!
Thanks for reporting. Your comparison of their prices with eBay made me laugh so loud.
I completely agree with your points around some of this but I think you have misunderstood the main motivation of most charity shops these days.
Many of them have moved on from supporting the less affluent community. They have cottoned on to the fact they make more money for their primary charitable function flogging “vintage” to the well off.
Thanks for the update Walter. What I don't get is that they state they want the stock to 'stay local'....why then does the sign not say No dealers, traders or anyone outside of the Mountain Ash area? Being from England if I saw that sign I would feel that I would not be welcomed as I am not local, so therfore I would not go in.
Well said Walter the world has gone mad a lot of charity shops have got dear
If they carry on with the price increases they will also stop locals going in too no common sense at all..making my blood boil glad you've brought it up..sue rider having a separate part for their QUALITY ITEMS...which are majorally over priced and turning items away as they are overstocked..sell cheap fast turnover is the only way charity shops should perform...
You make so much sense and I agree with them . I’m not a dealer but I buy things to put in the house we renovated, I love old and vintage things .
All the dealers I buy off are really fair and good to me , as I’ve said before if the price is too high for me I walk away no hard feelings .
The charity shops in my area are opening “charity Boutiques “ they pick all the good labels high end clothes , shoes and accessories and put a much higher price on them , that’s obviously making money for the charity but not helping people who can’t afford to buy clothes for their family’s . I’ve only been asked once if I’m a dealer .... I said no I’m a hoarder .
Thanks for the update. Very disheartening to hear that no one from the charity has bothered to reply. Thanks for the mention and my offer still stands - anytime you’re in Glasgow, you will be more than welcome in my shop, I’ll even pop the kettle on while you browse.
Thank you Maggie. I get on so well with all charity shops this manager tbh hasn’t got a clue
These days the word dealer covers a multitude of sins - these "local" people they talk about - a vast majority of them will happily stick something on E-bay if they have picked up a bargain - that makes them also a dealer in my eyes
I don’t get why some people care so much about other people making money....my view is you set your price according to what you want, you get it, once you sell it it’s no longer your business what happens cos you no longer own it! Charity shops need to appreciate this and generally people who get ‘jealous’ of anyone else making a living - as you rightly say too they don’t see all the time and effort that goes into reselling. I once sold a play set at a bootsale for £2.50 Went round later and saw the guy selling my set for £5. Did I care? No, cos I got what I wanted and also good luck to him if he thought he could get £5. It was funny, and a bit of a surprise but ultimately, of no consequence to me as firstly I no longer owned it and I do not know if he ever did get £5! For all I know he may have ended up not selling it, it hanging about and later selling it for £3 making a whopping 50p! which let’s face it also happens with alot of our stock....we all have ‘death piles’ of stuff we have been unable to sell and yet we continue to shop at/support charity shops cos resellers love buying. It’s how business works too....you don’t see wholesalers getting all shirty when you buy an item for £3 off them and then sell it in for £7 - that’s how the business works. They make what they want too/need too and so do you - they are suppliers, charity shops could also be seen as suppliers - they don’t even pay for their stock cos it’s donated. So why so precious? I don’t think they can argue that they are putting general consumers first either cos most staff have first dibs on the donations and at knock down prices so it’s not a ‘moral’ thing ....it’s just being jealous and mean and trying to control what happens to the goods bought from them. You don’t see B&Q ask what you are gonna do with your new lawnmower and if they don’t like the answer refusing to sell it to you.
As far as I'm concerned, if I buy an item then it's mine to resell, throw in the bin, or give away as I please. The charity shop should be pleased to make lots of sales to dealers. They're getting the money they are asking for, right? It's not like you walk in and offer them far less than they were selling the item.
Thanks for the update Walter, you are right to bring this to everyone's attention.
I am blown away by their actions. I'm just getting into antiques reselling and live down the road from you (Caerphilly). I visited a lot of charity shops recently and I've only found a couple of pieces which I think are good value. They're clearly too naive and think the first price they see on eBay is the value.
What person in need is buying a 40 quid silver plated tea set! The charity's best bet is a reseller makes a mistake and buys it at that price!
Like you, I certainly won't be hiding what I'm doing. If I'm not welcome then I won't come back. Everyone loses - well done to the shop manager.
Hope to visit your shop soon. These videos are fantastic, thank you 👍
Great points you make and very informative...agree 100percent
I'm a really small time reseller in the States. No one in the thrift stores look at me one way or the other because I am so small time. I agree 100% that we keep things moving and our money helps those stores. The one thing I don't agree with is asking those with low income to show proof of it. That's humiliating. I know because I am very low income. Long story short, there should be no discrimination on who buys from the charity shops/thrift stores. Their getting thier money, moving stock, and that should be the end of it.
Hi Lisa. Thank you for your comment. I agree with you totally I was just suggesting an alternative to banning traders. The vets etc around here do it but this shop wouldn’t do that because their high prices clearly show they don’t want cheap items for the community. I buy clothes from there myself so I am no different from any community member.
@@AntiquesArena You're right. The shop next to you is being rediculous, and quite frankly, stupid.
Up until a few years ago, I went to networking meetings to try and grow my own business. I met several "fundraisers" from various charities asking for help and money from local businesses. One asked for stuff for their charity and to bring it along to the next meeting. This I did and at the end of the meeting I said I've got it in the car. She said she had to rush off and told me to take it to the local shop. I took it to a different charity's shop. as I did not want her to get her "hands dirty" . (Little bit of sarcasm there!) There were then many pictures of this woman on Facebook at evening, formal dress type sponsored events. My guess is that this was all she was into it for.
They can not ask private questions ...So what about people who buy and sell houses or cars? What about buy or sell on the stock exchange..the list goes on ..Did you know my ex worked for the gov and they buy sell world debt ..would he be banned
I could add to that, what about World of books, Music Magpie, & "Rag" Men ... they''re traders & dealers
I think the new manager's actions are detrimental to their own charity and in time will have a noticeable negative impact. Any money is good money for a charity. They shouldn't turn the money away that improves people's quality of life. It sounds like they have an axe to grind and is more of a personal vendetta, than a community-minded decision.
In Alberta Canada, I have found that most decent items are either priced at retail prices or higher. You have to wait them out and buy when they have discounts. I find this abhorrent because they are stifling small business, they get their products for $0 so every penny they make is profit. We have a charity shop here, the CEO earns over $100, 000 a year and he owns the business as well.
Prices go from zero to nuts over night!
Garage sales are still a viable way to shop, I know you have Boot Sales, but do you have Garage sales where people sell items on their front lawn or driveway or garage? Here it is a big deal through the Spring, summer and Fall and we find very nice items.
I hope this matter is resolved, their income loss may be enough to get her replaced.
Walter it comes down to envy, people hating dealers making a profit, because they have not got the knowledge, and most important , the eye, that takes years and a lot of hard work. trouble is since
the internet/ebay, everyone thinks they are Arthur Negus
It's hard work and time consuming selling items on ebay. In my local area I've seen charity shops putting items in the bins at the back of the shop. Where are they ending up - I don't know - perhaps landfill sites. They should accept purchases from everyone that enters the shop regardless of whether they are re sellers or not.
Thanks for the update, Walter.
Thanks for the up date Walter who ever is the manager of the charity shop has no business knowledge in my opinion this as not happened up here in West Yorkshire yet charity shops are just getting too greedy
I really can't understand how any charity can afford to turn away customers. Surely, every penny counts?
This blaming of the resellers 'profiting from charity shops' is laughable. It doesn't effect the charity if they sell the item to private person or to a reseller. In both cases the CS gets their money so where is the problem? If they want top money for high value items they can put it up on ebay. I noticed only resellers buy antiques from small town charity shops, of course only if the price is right. Also sometimes the CS let real 'gems' slip through the net and who recognises these unique items - usually the resellers, not the average buyer. Basically the dealers salvage many special glass or pottery items unrecognised by the shop managers or public which often would end up in the bin.
I nearly forgot to add : please don't take notice of the negative comments. These are born from jealousy. Some people can't stand if somebody is successful and knowledgeable.
'Amazing Childrens Play Area Created During Lockdown' : you're a great dad, Walter!!!!
I went to the ponty shop on Tuesday and the sign was up the shop was empty,not seen it like that before maybe it was down to being customer selective
What is a bottom feeder anyway 🤔? I must be ever so naieve! Thanks for the follow up 😊.
Dealers & Traders apparently
bottom feeders
1- any marine creature that lives on the seabed and feeds by scavenging
2 -(informal•North American) a member of a group of very low social status who survives by any means possible.
Great follow-up, the problem is it will be the odd couple of people in the town bitching day in day out stating oh that vase I was looking at and come back for is down the road for 10x the price. You snooze you loose. The charity should be looking out for their cause and not for the person who buys the item. I have seen so many charity shops over charging since lockdown has lifted. Many items you can buy elsewhere for cheaper and Brand New. I only shop in a few charity shops regular and others I may pop in as and when I feel the need too. Charities should be more worried about their cause and not what happens to the item afterwards. There was a post on a Facebook group the other day where a lady was selling a item on a group. The charity staff put a comment up stating how can you sell this for £12 when you bought from us earlier today for £4. The charity shop worker was removed from the group, Once sold it is your property to do with as you feel fit. Most if not all of the charity shops know what I do in my area. I sometimes get items put by for me or brought to me when in the shop and ask whether interested or whether worth money. The item is given a price by staff, so whether it is tom, dick or harry who buys it does it really matter. Will they be asking for bank statements for people who walk through the door to make sure they are not well off and don't need to buy from charities, I know people who are pretty well off and that is because they are tight and will go and buy something from a charity shop rather than a shop even to save £1.
I havent sold a thing for about two and a half years but do consider myself a dealer as i have sold a lot in the past and probably will again - as long as the stuff isnt being kept under the counter it should be no busines of anyone who comes in at the right time and buys it
You need to go down another route for purchase end of. Dealers oftenly putting their goods to sell online for at least 50 percent profit.
Wait until their takings drop, they will soon change their tune. Money talks even with local charities
Prob not gonna happen any time soon, since "undercover traders & dealers" are still going in & buying stuff
I admire u because u always say the truth and truth some times hurts greetings from Malta
Unfortunately when looking up items the CS looks at listings NOT Sold, anyone can list an item for £10 but it stays on the shelf, eventually after 2-3 weeks it is rotated, some will have a sale, others put in bin and make sure it's broken first, it is heart breaking how much stuff goes in the bin when there are people out there will nothing, the majority of customers are resellers if they pay the price that the item is listed what's the problem, the charity is getting the money.
The sign wouldn't bother me, plenty of others to go to. The chances of a lot of charity shops doing it are pretty remote, I would have thought.
I agree with everything you've said. Luckily it hasn't spread over the border as our charity shops here mostly welcome resellers as we regularly spend a lot of money. A lot of the managers know they are overpriced but can do nothing about it because they are given set prices to sell at. It's a brave manager who risks their job by going against what they are told to do. It's not a surprise that many charity shops haven't bothered reopening since lockdown because their profits were so down beforehand due to overpricing.
To me this is discrimination. Charity needs to help improve economy especially if they do not pay taxes and receive items for free. This seems to be straight up GREED. And there charity status should be re examined. And they need to pay taxes on all items received and sold. I say this as a single mother with two special needs children and everything in my house is thrifted because it is what I can afford. But to ban resellers is wrong, at the same time I do also see how some get upset at resellers as I have been in thrift stores and they have behaved horribly, but that does not mean that all are. I know some elderly ladies who they resale to survive to not let them in would violate what the charity stores are meant to do. So shame on the charity for being greedy and not fulfilling what they agree to when they sign the forms to not to have to pay taxes
if their goal is to raise money for charity this is the wrong approach
And they have to sit on it and wait a long time.
You can complain to the charity commission ref this as you infact in are the commity as well as a trader and have been banned ...As you clothe your child from dontated clothes ...they are against you buying clothes...and pay the price they said ...have you still got the receipt?
Don't think he would be in the good books if he tried taking the jacket/coat back. Am sure Edward would have a very angry child on his hands !!!
I feel sorry for the people working in the charity shop having to impose this stupid rule and turn away custom. They didn’t come up with the rule yet they are the ones charged by management (or should I say lack of management) with imposing it and at the same time possibly seeing their own jobs disappear as a result.
Two things, firstly I have a feeling that they have targeted you directly with this move, the reason seems pretty obvious - you have a shop in the town and they don't want people to see things in your shop for sale that they have given to charity.
Secondly, it's absurd and discriminatory to suggest people should show proof of poverty for them to get a discount, think about it, you're suggesting people be stripped of all personal pride to prove they are in need so they can get a discount on some second hand clothes - really you're not thinking straight here mate.
Hi fella. Thank you for your comment and opinions. You make very good valid point. With it being a perineal ban for me I don’t shop in the other town at all and they got a sign on that shop also But you could still be right to a degree with that reason. With the showing the benefits. That practice is already in use in Rct in multiple things. As I already said the vets for one example. I also think the food bank ask for proof but not sure on that one. But only mentioned it as a way to show the charity had options but would never do it cos they didn’t really care about the community having cheap items or after traders were banned they would have lowered prices and I showed today they have gone up not down.
lol..poor walter
Isn't the sign on the door discriminatory, it should surely be in Welsh too?
As a business owner and antique reseller in Scotland I am shocked and appalled that a fellow reseller and business owner would call a cancer care charity way too greedy and what have eBay sold prices got to do with what any business or charity wants for there items . I will just point out that the way too greedy quote is you're own words. If any shop chooses to refuse entry to anyone that is there prerogative and it is not against any law and is not discriminatory.
Thank you for your comment. However I believe you have missed the whole point of the video. I have no problem with your opinion. Maybe you should go watch the first video The charity shop have banned traders. And resellers because we apparently buy the bargains the community need and can’t afford to buy. The main opinion is that resellers are selling on eBay for a profit that’s why I am using eBay prices. I have zero problem with you disagreeing with me. But I will say if they don’t want us buying there and making a few pound on eBay then they price things at four or five times the eBay prices for the people they say they are trying to help then yes this is greed. The fact they are a charity has nothing to do with it. Every single worker there gets paid This was about the looking down the nose and making resellers and dealers out to be bottom feeders to quote another TH-cam member So I have pointed out what is going on and it is beyond greed and discrimination. But that’s my opinion if you don’t like it that’s ok with me
Antiques arena I appreciate you're reply. I do watch you're channel so I have seen both videos. I accept that everyone will have a different opinion I just wanted to share mine .