Do the New York Mets Need to Change Their Lineup Again?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2025
- The New York Mets offense struggled on Tuesday night, as Francisco Lindor, Pete Alonso and Brandon Nimmo went a combined 0-for-12. Do the Mets need to consider switching up their lineup again?
Host Ryan Finkelstein talks about Brandon Nimmo's struggles in the three-hole and what the Mets should do to try to jump-start him to hit better.
Would it make sense to return Nimmo to his leadoff spot, despite how well Lindor is playing atop the lineup? Or should they drop him down in the lineup instead?
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Christian Scott and Jose Butto both should be in the five man rotation this very moment and i have no idea.....other than to identify with how much they're paying some of these guys starting ahead of them.....why Scott and Butto innings are being wasted in Syracuse. Additionally....fans would appreciate seeing them battle a whole lot more than veterans that continue to struggle.... obviously several of them fit that description.
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0-14 top four in the lineup is disgraceful!
For the last three years. Why expect different results suddenly?
@@alandesgrange9703 Absolutely inexcusable.....not only was this a gigantic loss in terms of fighting a ticking clock.....but not one of the top four in this lineup can even drop a bloop hit?? It's unfathomable. This guy on the mound for the Marlins last night hasn't been successful all year and comes into Queens and completely dominated the thick of the lineup. That's why fans are turned off by this team. They show signs of life and then wet their bed.
@@johncummings5350 Weak. Very very weak. No balls.
Really starting to wonder if the Mets would make Nimmo available. They’ve moved him out of his position and then out of the 1 hole. If the Mets don’t value him like they used to I’m certain that other teams still do. If there was ever a player who would benefit from a change in scenery…
Considering his long-term deal, I don’t think Nimmo’s going anywhere. The team still values his productivity and leadership, even if he hasn’t been as good on the field this year as in recent years.
Nimmo is a corner outfielder that his best year he hit 24 home runs, 68 runs batted, doesn't steal bases; with 6 years of 20 million a season left not a lot of time would be interested. Of all positions in baseball corner outfielders are the easiest to find, not a value. This contract is going be upside down very soon with age, etc. so it is pretty much unmovable for anything of value.
Nimmo has proved he's not the same lead off hitter he once was and now he is batting in the 3rd spot which is supposed to be where your BEST hitter is positioned. He has the highest amount of strike outs on this team along with a terrible average. Now the Mets are playing the the last place Marlins and have dropped the first game. I believe that this series will determine if there is going to be a fire sale so we can save the 2025 season.
The Mets are gonna get swept by the Marlins that's how bad they are . I'm sorry to say it I'm a Mets fan but they are pathetic
The mets are already 9-10 games below .500 they don't have prospects knocking at the door they need to sell to make the 2025 and beyond better.
This game is the perfect example of why Mets fans simply can't stomach this team. Coming off a sweep at Washington and a split in London with Philly this fanbase finally had something to look forward to......a homestand and a very poor Marlin's team coming into NYC. What happens?? The Mets go 0-14 from slots 1-4 in the lineup. That's disgusting and it defines the current roster. This team lacks heart. They can argue that but their play on the field reflects my sentiments. They make it a habit to let down their fans every time they give them a bit of hope.
Would you think different of the Mets without the 2022 season and the media hype this year? Mets just aren't a very good team.
@@benjaminwatlers1848 I just talked to a friend and explained how the top four in their lineup went a combined 0-14 last night. In 2022 they had three of the four same players in the top four...... only added Martinez this year and that is actually an upgrade. They are underachieving and it's miserable to watch.
I haven't had hope since 2022
I value Nimmo’s OBP more than his average. He has shown that he can work that count and can work out a bunch of walks at leadoff. I don’t think teams are that worried about old ass JD hitting after him so that might be why he is seeing different pitches at the 3 spot. Nimmo has to be leadoff again but like you mentioned, Lindor’s is having his best stretch leading off.
Hopefully they make the move to put Nimmo back to leading off and Lindor has to be one to adjust hitting 2 or 3 now. Or maybe some other moves are made at the deadline who knows.
JD has to be moved down to 5 after Pete hitting clean up. Vientos has been solid but I’m not entirely sold if they threw him at 2 or 3. Marte adds another 10 years the more you move him up. If only Jeff can stop golfing balls into the center fielder’s glove.
Taking center cut fastballs for strike one… that’s their philosophy…
DFA Quintana and bring C. Scott back up. DFA Ottovino to make room for Diaz.
The Mets would have to have a innings eater if you got rid of Quintana. You don't want to put Scott in a position where he gets shelled routinely/ Octtovino actually has pitched pretty decent
@@benjaminwatlers1848 Ottovino has a 6 ERA
Alvarez is obviously not ready. His catching, throwing and hitting looked awful.
I bet that within two weeks, we'll be hearing the chant to send him to AAA.
Torrens will be the starting catcher real soon!
Lindor, Nimmo, Marte, Alonso, Martinez, Vientos, Alvarez, McNeil, Bader
Put Vientos in Nimmos spot and put JD in Marte spot.. Have Nimmo bat after Alonso.
So many of the Mets' problems stem from other teams successfully scouting our hitters and to a lesser extent the pitching.
Pinching hitting Iglesias was a mistake in this one. Jeff didn't need that AB
Just another horrible decision by Luis Rojas Mendoza
If you saw the broadcast, they showed a graphic where, since May 18, the Mets offense was 1st or 2nd across the board. Last night they looked jet-lagged? Let's see the rest of this homestand.
If that is correct my stats so the Mets still have gone 7 -13 which is 6 games under .500 so not a solid team
@@benjaminwatlers1848 With the moron manager, Luis Rojas Mendoza, they continue to lose in the late innings with horrible bull pen decisions.
@@benjaminwatlers1848 Losing pitchers in those games: Lopez, Garrett, Garrett, Reid-Foley, Lopez, Ottavino, Diekman. Notice anything?
@@benjaminwatlers1848 8-11
Nimmo is never going to be the full time leadiff hitter again. He needs to get used to that and embrace the change in batting position. Remember....Acuna and Jett Williams are soon to be in Queens and both pose an upgrade running the bases over Nimmo.
HiTTING coach FIRED BOTH
#2 - #6 in the Mets batting order is like one side of a person's body where the hand is where the foot shoud be, and the foot is where the hand should be. Also, batting Alonso #2 is not like the Yankees batting Judge #2, because the Mets are not constructed like the Yankees.
I have been saying Nimmo is not a 3 hole hitter or a leadoff hitter. On a good team, Nimmo is batting 6th at best. Unfortunately, on this team they should try him 2nd, JD 3rd & Pete 4th. There’s no reason for Pete to be batting 2nd. Pete is a clean up hitter at best.
Or just drop Nimmo and try Vientos. In any event, Pete should be batting clean up.
Absolutely! Move Nimmo down to 7 or 8th spot.
Bader a decent cf but Ive noticed to many times he calls off the left or right fielder on balls that are really theirs thus causing collisions or bumps leading to drops & runs scoring for the opposition!
Now Nimmo shoulda took that ball or backed up Bader decently behind him...due to neither happening Bader took his eye off the ball and flubbing the catch thus costing us the game! The outfielders need to communicate better instead of all 3 thinkin their all center fielders in my opinion!
Tidwell had another rough outing last night.
Not a surprise. He walks a lot of batters. In college, he was mostly a reliever.
@@fr2ncm9 Number 1 starting pitcher prospect in Mets system
@@jamesbuckley8917 Sounds like they need more young pitchers then.
The 2024 Mets remind me of the 2019 Phillies where the marlins owned us for some odd reason
Alonso and Lindor should be batting 5th and 6th. Please get some players in here. They are almost unwatcthable
I would argue that this team is closer to the Nationals and the Marlins than they are to the Phillies and Braves. 77 and 85 Fink. That's reality. Beyond that explain the theory of the Mets batting order. In what world is Pete Alonso a number two hitter. Even if he gets on base you're going to need atleast two hits to get him around. Lindor belongs in the three spot. Put your contact hitters and base stealers at the top of the lineup. Let them get on base so that when Francisco or Pete gets a hold of one, it's not just a leadoff solo homerun. I know what the models say. Guys at the top of the lineup get more at bats so put your best hitters at the top but frankly I've never been a fan of analytics. These computer driven lineups just don't make sense. Somewhere Whitey Herzog is spinning in his grave.
The take that this team is a meritocracy is B.S. Look at Butto, pitched great, lowest ERA on the staff, optioned to AAA. Look at Scott, pitched great, optioned, Nido hit well, good defense, DFA'd. Prove the merit system and DFA Ottavino and Quintana.
Trade Alonso and get something for him. You might still be able to get 2 solid relievers for him. Wait for free agency and bid for Alonso then. In the meantime change the lineup. Lindor, Vientos,JD, Alonso, Nimmo,Marte Alvarez, Iglesias, Bader. If Alonso trade goes thru put Vientos on 1st base. Baty on 3rd... Then it would be Lindor,Vientos,Marte,JD, Nimmo,Alvarez, Baty,Iglesias,Bader. This year doesn't look promising set yourself up with some relievers and let the baby Mets play. McNeil you are 2 beeps from flat lining. How you get rid of him is difficult with his huge contract. I'm not sure what team can use him at this point.
Sit him down. Play Tyrone Taylor. Nimrod cost us the game last night at the plate and in the field. He struck out 3 times and distracted Harrison Bader from making a crucial and already difficult catch.
Who needs a three strikeout a game third place batter ?
Yeah bro, the Mets always make Luzardo look like Koufax, much in the same way they make Morton look like Gibson. They just can't beat those guys. I think it's time to move Nimmo....I like Lindor, Marte, JD Martinez, Alonso , in that order. Even with all the heartbreaking losses I've seen this group endure the last 4 years, I've also seen some amazing, emotional comeback victories, and what I can't wrap my head around is why they almost always look flat, and lose games right after they win close exciting ones. Normally that will bring teams together, build momentum, and create winning streaks, but never with these guys. It's almost like they forgot they just won the day before.
Agreed on Luzardo. The Mets never seem to be able to touch him. Josiah Gray and Yu Darvish are others who seem to always have the Mets’ number regardless of how much they’re struggling in a particular season.
Luzardo is probably the top pitcher that will move this summer; he is solid. Crazy that the Athletics gave him up for Starling Marte
Nooooooo..... Of course not, bench him for a stretch! What happened to their theory that if you dont produce you're out? Is it ONLY for McNeil? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
A solid starter for 4 innings is called a " long reliever".
What they really Need is to Rebuild the Franchise starting with trading Pete , Oneil , Marte , and Half their Worthless Pitching Staff at the Trade deadline and get Ready to Compete in 2025 With a YOUNGER Team .......
Who is Oneil?
Nimmo takes way too many pitches in hopes he'll walk, Alonso swings at crap 15 feet off the plate and Lindor swings at crap in the dirt!! Nimmo needs to be back in the leadoff spot, Lindor second, and Alonso third followed by Martinez which is the sole reason we signed him so he can be protection for Pete!!
On a good team Nimmo is ideally batting 6th or 7th. On a horrible team he bats 3rd, laughable. Since the numbers on the Mets offense been good since lineup change they aren’t going to move Nimmo unfortunately
Nunez is probably the best reliever, but they will option him and keep the washed up Ottavino, because they really don't care about 2024.
Ryan, do you really think the Mets are telling the fans the truth about what is really happening with Diaz and Senga?
I think personally that pitching injuries are the hardest to figure out. There is so many moving parts
Mets still can't seem to hit at Citi....
If they can figure it out at home it could turn the season around but they can’t seem to figure out their struggles at Citi.
@@LockedOnMets yes..great work again on your analysis..always a great watch.. TH-cam..
Also they don't do things to awaken the offense; if I was a struggling team I would do more hit and runs, etc. get the runners moving and batters swinging. How many times does a broken bat hit fall in and the then the player goes on a tear
Move Nimmo. Sign Leonard Dykstra.
Do the Mets have the worse lineup in the National League on 2024????
Ave. Sko
Nimmo. 217 70
Alonso. 236. 58
Lindor. 231. 48
Stewart. 183. 29
B.Baty. 210. 42
J.Mcneill 231. 26
The only exception are: Ave. Sko.
Vientos 320 19
Marte. 284 50!!
Iglesias. 435 3! ( Looks the stats doesn't care for our "brilliant " hired incapable manager Mendoza who pinched hit for Iglesias late in the game with the "horrendous " Mcneil , another bad decision that "scratch " your head...CONCLUSION: With only 3 players on the roster producing is not enough for a team be successful...😩😩
No they don't have the worst line up in the National League, they just can't seem to hit when they get pitching or pitch when they get hitting
It's time to sell polar bear and lindor! Play the fooking rooks, mets suck! What else we got to lose? 😂
Nobody is going take Lindor; he has 7 more years left at 34,100,000 a season no other team is going touch that contract. Heck about half the MLB teams that is about 1/3 their total payroll
Stop making excuses, this team does mothing well. They crumble under pressure and won’t build up their stats until they are completly out of it.
This team is full of ifs...and no execution of them.
There's no "if's." We already know.
There has to be major clubhouse / leadership issues surrounding this team. Think it will be hard for the Mets to sign a top tier free agent
@@benjaminwatlers1848 Unless of course Uncle Steve opens up the vault.
Finkelstein your delusional!Be realistic please!
He loves his Mets and always looks positive
When you lose to the Marlins you might as well pack your bags and go home I mean really it's that bad ! The Mets had a golden opportunity to make a run all they had to do was sweep the Marlins and they already lost game 1 to them.. I wouldn't be surprised if the Marlins swept the Mets.. How pathetic and low can the Mets be
baseball is a psycho game. What the hell difference does order matter unless you have garbage behind you? Vientos is a pipe dream. The central issue is the Mets highest paid player is not worth the contract. Lindor is just good - not remotely the great player his contract is paying for. 7 more years of that mediocrity.
Nimmo is the quintessential leadoff hitter. He should not be pushed further down the lineup.
Nimmo proved he's not the same lead off hitter he once was. He has the highest amount of strike outs on this team. Now the Mets are playing the the last place Marlins and have dropped the first game. I believe that this series will determine if there is going to be a fire sale so we can save 2025 season.
Nimmo racking up the Ks, should be batting 6th
Megill is solid?!?! Megill is a LONG RELIEVER/swing man. The Mets get 5 innings on average from their SP. Yes. They didn’t hit yesterday, but they are INCONSISTENT EVERYWHERE! Move Nimmo to the nine hole.Does it matter? The Mets score 8 runs & still find ways to lose! The National League is atrocious & why there’s any discussion of the Mets doing anything to get back in this. Only FIVE TEAMS in the LEAGE are above 500. Eventually that corrects itself. It’s why I kept saying they are more than 1 player away because they aren’t a good team!!!
To: benjamin watler 1848: I never liked people who lied to the fanbase saying that the team would be competitive. That puts high expectations on the fanbase,besides, an owner who can spend high millions on a REMBRANDT cannot let STEARNS implement a MINI MARKET/ MONEY BALL PHILOSOPHY in N.Y., the SPORTS CAPITAL OF THE U.S.
0-fer Mets is the theme of 2024. They are simply a bad team.
Nimmo has been awful all year period
Is his career about to go down the same path that McNeil has?
@@winkydog184 and both Mcneil and Nimmo owed a lot of money
It was the most stupid move made by the analytics dept. thru this manager. NIMMO has to be dropped to the 7th or 8th slot in the lineup. AND PLEASE FORGET ABOUT THIS TEAM GETTING A WILD CARD SPOT. THEY WERE INTENTIONALLY STRUCTURED BY MINI MARKET STEARNS TO FAIL BY SIGNING A WHOLE BUNCH OF VERY CHEAP LOW TIER FREE AGENTS. THIS WAS DONE ON PURPOSE IN ORDER TO EASILY DISMANTLE THR TEAM.
You realize that the Mets have the second highest payroll this year in the history of baseball? They had to clear the best major spending to move forward. It's not fair for Stearns to take the blame; as all off season he heard from the players, the media, the fans that this was a playoff team. The Mets spent so much money that if Alonso is kept all year and walks that the Mets will only get a 4th round draft pick at best. You can't expect Stearns to turn it around in one off season. Big money spending is not the key to long term success