Beginner Hand Tool Woodworking Project. Spalted Beech Pencil Case.
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- What's happening guys. In this video I build a spalted beech pencil case. You guys wanted a simple hand tool project, I needed a Pencil case and to use my new tenon saw!
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11:50 I believe the difference between a dado and a rabbit, is a rabbit is a cut out on the edge of a piece of wood, giving it 2 surfaces (1 side, 1 bottom), a dado is a cut out anywhere not on the edge, giving it 3 surfaces (2 sides and a bottom). Essentially the difference between an "L" and a "U."
as a non native english speaker, I can confirm he's talking about woodworking
This video took me back over 40 years to my school woodworking class. I still use my pencil case.
This was actually the first thing I made in my woodwork class at school, 54 years ago 😁
I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see that the pros don’t always get two perfect halves when resawing! Now I can stop being so hard on myself when I get a flap from not keeping quite to the line! And it gives me even more reason to keep trying!
That's my main problem: i am soooo hard on myself 🤦🏽♂️
Beginner hand tool project i've just used two trees for this pencil case , Great video John😎😎🍺🍺
Love it. Can't wait to try it out.
Nice John. The way I learned it was : Dados are across grain, Grooves are with the grain and Rebates are on an edge.
Cheers Lou.
I concur
A dado is an American term for what we on this side of the pond call a housing joint.
@@stevofoley8158 Yeah dead right mate.
@@stevofoley8158 old Record handbooks for the use of plough planes call it a dado, and Record was an English company, this particular booklet is from the early 50s 😁
Thank you. Answered All my questions about solid wood bottom and expansion cautions.
Love your instruction John.
Nice to demonstrate all your knowledge With us
Made a similar one from scrap wood this summer, also ordered a mug, I have a collection of coffee mugs, the Wood Life one will be a nice addition.
I have been trying to make something like this and you've given me quite a few good tips. I don't have a number of those specific tools so I'll have to make do with what I have. That means my box probably won't look as professional but I'll be happy if it just works as a box. Thanks!
A well made instructional video. Great thanks.
Beautiful saw ! , great video thanks ......Happy Birthday
Hello John!!
Very glad to stabble upon you very nice video guide..!
I am new to wood making, and self taught, and very low budget. So I am working mostly with hand tools.
Most of the video here, are using fast production machines and I am getting crazy!
Also I am up to make a tool box, for myself. I wanna make my own design.. and So guiding videos like yours with simple hand tools gives me hope that I can actually accomplish it :)
Thanks a lot! Have a lovely day!
Very cool, need to check out how to make a shooting board. Thanks for this
I’ve always understood a dado is across the grain a groove is with the grain and I’ve never heard a rabbit called anything different regarding grain direction. Nice work !
Absolutely agreed 💯👍
Nice project, great presentation!
Thanks
Cool demo.. thnx
Another option instead of nails is to use bamboo skewers. Skewers can be used to reinforce corners of miter joints by drilling through diagonally into corners and then nail and glue skewers, leaving a decorative pin on corners. Mitered joints are quite weak since it's glued on end grain to end grain and can disintegrate if accidentally dropped. Make a test piece with and without skewers and break test both of them, you will notice the skewer joint will be several times stronger.
im actually curious, because i also have long thought that end grain to end grain joints were weak. but patrick sullivan did a great, rigorous test on the different types of joints (end to end, end to face, 45 degree miter, etc) and end to end is actually quite strong! he found that the wood is almost always weaker than the glue, but he was using evenly grown stock-i bet the spalting or softness of the wood here could impact the strength of the joint
@@pepplerock The cause of end to end wood grain weakness is the amount of wood contact to glue that determines the bonding strength. Think of wood as a bundle of straws and imaging applying contact cement glue to side and ends to glue another straw bundle. The stronger bond is the one with the greater amount of surface area glue contact.
Wow, I remember making this at school at the start of the trade haha
great video John very enjoyable
Thanks 👍
Excellent
made one when i was at school brings back some memories some 40 years ago well done john back to basics.....and your right making a box best thing teaches about basic angles
Snap - 50 years ago. But we didn't have such huge tenon saws. Would have used a Diston panel saw for splitting along the grain
Nice little box and the finish brings out the texture of the beech
My understanding is: dado - across the grain with a shoulder on each side. Groove - with the grain with shoulders on each side. Rabbit/rebate - across or with grain along an edge, so only one shoulder
Don't forget the fillister! Similar to dado in that it's cross grain but only one shoulder...
Thats really brilliant. Have an identical box from when I was a kid back in the 70's. It holds a set of dominoes, also made of wood with ivory tops (I know!) Has a thumbnail slot for opening so you can see how to open it and don't spill your dominoes. Always thought it was a nice touch. It's held together with a box joint though so yours is nicer. Might just make a new one now ! Thanks John.
I need to go back now and find your shooting board video. You made this look doable and gave me confidence to try. Will be giving it a go soon.
Vera nice......👍.....best greats from Germany
Brilliant! Just found your channel, as I am about to take up wood working for a hobby at the ripe old age of 59. Wanted to try doing it with hand tools mostly but my knowledge and budget is limited. But this simple project is I think just what I am looking for, thank you.
Welcome along! I'm glad you liked the video
Rex Kruger is a another good hand tool and sensible budget guy.
Good video It reminds me of my grand dads old small marking box
Nice instructional video for newbie woodworkers John. Glad to see young men like yourself passing on this knowledge.
Glad you enjoyed it
Beautiful project!!! Loved the video!!!
Bad Axe tenon saw! Lucky bastard.
😁 It is nice !
Those are some seriously lovely tools for a beginner project! Love your channel, john 😁
Beautiful work, John! Really well done! 😃
I'm going to try to make something like that!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Amazing work!
Nice work 👍,love when you put the finish on how it brings out the wood beautiful
Beech is a lovely wood sometimes a clear oil is all that's needed
Another great video, clearly explained and simple to follow. Thanks John.
Glad it was helpful!
I believe that's a groove not a rabbit 😊
Just found my love again for woodwork, cheers John.
Great to hear Ian 👍
Perfect,! I plan to make this for my grandaughter's colored pencils! Thanks John!
Nice one Gary enjoy the build
Enjoyable and educational, John, as always. One question: Won’t the handle limit the lid’s expansion and possibly cause it to split since it’s glued (and pinned) across its full width?
Brilliant little project. Very instructive and a great result. Thanks for sharing 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I never knew tool envy was a thing until now lol
I always think of dado being surrounded by wood and a rebate being on an end with 1 side, but I’m no professional either! Cool little project none the less
This was relaxing to watch! Really want to invest into some hand planes to try some hand tool projects
Glad you enjoyed!
That is a really nice little project.
Inspirational indeed.
Glad you like it!
Loved the video and pencil case, will be giving it a go in a few weeks time. Thanks John.
Glad you liked it Alistair
Love the saw John and that fantastic rebate/rabbit plane. Got to get me one of those bad boys. 🤣🤣. Great back to basics vid, which we all need every now and then. 👍
A great video as always John and has inspired me to get out in the workshop. Keep up the good work
Great to hear Philip
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I wish I could like this video 10 times…. Each like for each time I’ve watched it
Nice One!! I am definitely making one as well!
Excellent video John and lovely pencil case. I've done a lot of hand resawing so if I can offer my two cents. If you're resawing wood by hand you really want a roubo frame saw. It's doable with a good rip saw, but unless your hand saw technique is really solid (which can vary from day to day) it can be a massive headache.
If you are doing it with a rip saw, make sure you hold the saw very lightly and let the saw do the work, the tighter you grip the saw, the worse your cut will be, the less time you can saw without taking a break and the more work you'll have to do with a scrub/fore plane.
Take your time and rotate the board often so you're coming at it for both sides. This will help cancel out minor errors in your tracking. Stop and check your progress a lot and settle in for a long haul. If you start going off track stop, go back and take time to fix your cut, if you don't the last few inches will be a massive pain because of the effect work holding has on the board (pinching).
Thanks for the advice Kevin
Hi John, you have the same stance for cutting wood as I had when I was in school, namely you hold the saw with both hands. The difference was that I was constantly told off for doing so, my teacher always said that you do not force the saw but let the saw glide over the wood and that would stop you from going off the line and getting a crooked cut, I was told off so much that now I rarely use a hand saw because I find it awkward to cut with.
Awesome well done.
Had an insight about sawing down a line recently. I was helping someone learn to use a saw and realised they are right handed but left eye is their main eye so they leaned over. That tipped their balance so twisted the arm action holding the saw. Had to find a way to cater for the awkwardness
What did you come up with? I'm right handed but left eye dominant and always need a new excuse to blame my poor sawing skills on.
@@mhardy85 Yes.Do tell - I'm right eyed, left handed.
Rabbits are on the edge of a board, typically for bottoms, tops and backs of cabinets. Dado's are interior to the boards, usually used for shelves or dividers. American terminology...
Hi John, could you answer a question about your shooting boards? How do you prevent the plane strokes from removing stock from the shooting board itself and therefore making it "out of square"?
Hi Andy the sole of the plane is referencing the high spots on the piece being planned. So it only contacts the shooting board on the last stroke or so. It removes very little from the board itself but they can ware over time.
Hi John, beautiful tenon saw nice 40th birthday present happy birthday. Another awesome project from mike in New Zealand. Is Ireland still in lock downs with the COVID pandemic?
Yeah Still in Lock down Michael our Government is Useless and Idealess they have been doing the same thing for a year now!
Love it 😀 thanks
Hi mcgarth sir I really enjoyed the video made me subscribe sir
Thanks for subbing
Very nice uncomplicated project. Thanks John! I’m very jealous of your saw. Those Bad Axe saws are awesome! :)
They are! It was a lovely gift
Beautiful work!!! Precise and clean! Can you tell me the model of your plough plane? Thanks
Its a luban, I got it from Workshop Heaven
Love to see how you put your videos together John, software, process etc... This is an excellent build the wife wants me to make her one 🥺🥺
Its very basic I Keep it very simple, In use DaVinci Resolve its free and top quality editing software.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed you make it look slick mate... I must have a look at resolve
What plane did you use to cut the rebates?
Dados have two shoulders, like a canyon. Rebates only have one shoulder, like a ledge.
fantastic project for practising proper woodworking. pleasure to watch. well done
What is the specific tool you are using to cut the rebate? I watched an episode about the intro tools needed and ordered every one of them, including the No. 62 Low Angle Jack Plane. Thank you for the valuable tips 7 info.
Its a plough plane the make of my particular one is a Luban
Have you got a link for the rabbet/dado tool you used? All the router planes on Amazon are 12mm/0.5inch thick
it's a luban plough plane, I got it from Workshop Heaven in the UK
Is your rebate plane a modern plane or an antique? I was looking at your list of tools, but don’t see it. I was hoping it might be a modern tool that can be purchased.
Nice video!! Thanks.
It is indeed its a quangsheng Luban plough plane
Hi John. This is a beautiful box. Could you let me know what is the plane you use for making the bottom and lid grooves? Cheers. Brian.
Its a plough plane, bought it from Workshop heaven.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed thanks that’s great. love the idea of using this instead of a router.
Nice job! Btw, those are grooves not rabbets.
👍🙏
Hey i'm am a beginner and would like to know what is the name to find that stainless steal tool?? 12:15 thanks
Great video, really enjoyable style there. Gonna price up one of those Bad Axe tennon saws for myself.
I believe the difference between a rebate and dado is that the dado has two walls, so inside from the end or edge, a rebate has just one wall so forms an L shape at the edge or end.
What model plough plane were you using? Nice.
Nice video! I’d call the long edge joint a groove and the other a housing. I could be wrong though :)
I’ve had no luck with the cheaper hand planes and tuning them but love using hand tools vs electric. Any recommendations for my first real investment in a quality plane?
Depends on your budget and where you are, Quangsheng are good planes and can be got from Workshop heaven in the UK, Woodriver planes are pretty much the same they can be got in the US. Next level up then would be Lie Nielsen, Veritas or Clifton, they are all top quality.
What plough/grooving plane did you use to do the grooves? I need one.
Its a Quangsheng Luban plough plane
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed what size blade is it?
Don't worry I'm rewatching the video and you said 1/4"🤪
What was the tool you used to create the rebate/rabbit?
Quangsheng Luban plough plane
A lovely result. I was just curious, you put a lot of effort into allowing for wood movement. However, as far as I could see, when you attached the lid to the top of the side piece there was no allowance for the movement of the top. I was just wondering if there was a reason for this, or if I have missed something?
Thanks
John, what shoulder plane are you using in this video?
Its a quangsheng Luban plough plane
Cheers.
John, which plane are you using to do the rebates?
Its a Quangsheng luban plough plane
Is the quality ok and you would recommend buying one? Just thinking since I was looking for plough planes just yesterday but it seems that the Veritas one is unavailable almost everywhere.
Its a great little tool, only issue I had was a screw missing from the wood fence but nothing I couldn't sort.
Absolute beginner here, so found this a really inspiring & informative video (as yours always are). One question - what was the tool you used to make the groove after you’d marked it up? Am I looking for something called a rebate plane? It didn’t seem the same as the router planes I’ve seen, which only seem to work down the centreline of the tool - yours looked like the width from the edge of the workpiece could be set and locked in.
Hi Adam it's a plough plane, a Quangsheng Luban plough plane to be exact, lovely little tool. Its great for groves and small rebates so Ideal for small box work.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed Hi John. Brilliant; thanks for letting me know.
Awesome video, never seen the plane used like this and it's genius, also what's the tool you use for the rebates... Makes things so simple!
Its a Quangsheng Luban Plough Plane
What is that tool called @ 12:35 ? :)
Dado has three sides while a rebate has two. A rabbit is a four legged herbivore with big ears that americans believe has something to do with joinery.
🤣
Brilliant video John. Want to give this one a go. No real woodworking experience. One question I have is, where is a good place to look for small quantities of different varieties of woods?
Try The Carpentry Store for some smaller pieces www.thecarpentrystore.com/c/wood/6
Great video! Isn’t it cheating using the drill though?
a little bit
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed no pun intended 🙃
12:22 that's a groove not a rebate
When did you start doing joinery work in secondary school ? Give up the Leccie
I did woodwork in school but I've really only been at it seriously for a few years.
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed I am a carpenter based in cork mainly do roofs 1st 2nd fix , but your joinery is top class better than most of us chippys
How could you buy a Bad Axe Saw and actually use it? They should be bought, put in a glass fronted cabinet and gazed at with admiration.😀 Nice project John, getting some good tools together also. Regards Jim
😂 we only get one go around this life Jim, Its too nice not to use.
That one awesome wife you have sir.
She is!
wtf is a shamfer?
How about a kerf saw and your frame saw to re-saw.
wtf is meisture?
Nails??? Come on!!!
The joint you cut into the 4 sides are grooves..... grooves go with the grain and are only open on one side. A groove that goes across the grain is a dado. The shape you cut into the top and bottom is a rebate..... on an edge and open on 2 sides. The old term for the rebate on the end of a board is known as a "fillister". I dont think your plough plane is equipped with a scoring cutter for cross grain work, did you saw the walls of the cross grain rebates or did ya sneak in a cheeky bit of router table action off camera? 😁
And again..... no way are you in your 40s lad 🤔😂
All done with the plough plane lol
@@JohnMcGrathManInShed good man John...... I usuall saw the walls as the plough will jus rip it apart going cross the grain. I have a plough with a scoring cutter but find its quicker to jus saw the wall than fiddle around with the scoring cutter...... they're a pain to sharpen too 🤦♂️😂
I enjoy your hand tool stuff lad, it's also nice to hear our distinct Irish accent on a youtube video 😁🤙
Muchas palabras, recuerde que no toda su audiencia habla inglés. Explique haciendo, uno pierde el interés a los 15 o 20 segundo que no ve la acción.