It's so funny to listen to everyone discussing these new rules and how they affect each army. Some of the folks on reddit seem to believe that Admech are getting the shaft in 9th edition, but then this video makes it seem like they'll be left in a great spot. As a complete noob to the hobby, I have almost no knowledge on the matter so I have no clue who is right/wrong, but I appreciate the video explaining some of the differences and why they are beneficial. I guess I don't care much either, as long as the game is fun. Appreciate the content!
To be fair to the complainers, this video was filmed before 9e's points changes and rules FAQ, both of which heavily affect the army. For example you see a lot of tanks in this video but such a thing won't happen nearly as much as their points costs increased substancially, and one of said tanks is Admech's only viable transport. Furthermore the major gimmick of this army's close combat no longer exists, the TL;DR is that up to this point you had a 50% chance on the dice roll (4+) of doing a LOT of damage, but now you can no longer modify it so your attacks only "explode" on a 6 and nothing less - that combined with points increases without any benefit (which affect cheap units more, and that was the majority of Admech's close combat units) really blemishes the viability of many diverse builds. On the other hand, to be fair to this video (although I don't think it's a good point per se) is that they only focused on the same old ball-o'-shooting builds around Kastelan Robots which are mostly buffed in 9e. They didn't show any of the new Admech units released this year nor did they bring up a more close-combat/transport/mobile focused army which is essentially dead now viability-wise. What they presented here is what 80+% of Admech lists will look like in 9e because so much else was nerfed to the ground that the army lost its occasional fun diversity and will revert back to only shooting blobs once again, no better than T'au. The major changes you'll see from army to army are which shooty ball you'll bring (Kastelans, Ballistari, Kataphrons?) but the way the army functions will essentially be the same.
If you havent been in the world of competetive MMO or anything with incredibly invested dudes just know that any percentage loss is immediately met with screeching about nerfing and making stuff useless.
Bro, me too. Just bought an archeocopter and some kastellan robots with electro priests. Why? No clue. Having fun and learning? Absolutely. Hope your playtime and painting time is going well!
I've been painting forever, but am finally considering taking the plunge with 40k gameplay since the introduction of the smaller scale Combat Patrols. That being said, these gameplay style per faction videos have been invaluable in helping me narrow down what army I may choose. I look forward to seeing more faction summaries in the future! Thanks so much for all your help 🙂
@@johnryan8985 Any navigator can navigate using the emperor's psychic beacon, you don't actually have to be in the Imperial Cult, so they do it just like any other humans.
The admech also got a lot of fast units now..... I would love to see some lists based on that. Lots of fast units, and just trolling with the serbery riders stratagem to get out of trouble.
Note: Plasma has been updated to be unmodified. +1 or -1 to hit won't affect it dumbly anymore. Same appears to be happening with exploding dice as well on 6s.
Only if all the plasma data sheets are updated. As it stands only those new marines have had it updated. But I think you're probably right. I hate plasma anyway lol
You should try it, lots of fun but lots of rules in the start to understand and think of. It's the most fun at the start if the armies are smaller (500 points) which will also make the games faster and less rule-y
Im currently building my new admech army and I decided to go with the Data Hoard Forgeworld for the 6+ FNP Dogma and the regenerating vehicles. I figured the added durability works well with how encouraged you are to play dakka bots aggressively.
Came here to ask this. They have been saying in all their videos that you can just take an extra HQ (like a tau commander), but unless there is a way to give it the Supreme Commander keyword that we don't know about, it can only be used on a handful of models.
There is something to be said about exchanging the robots for Ironstriders. They can basically perform the same roll, with auto canons (per point more ffective against vehicles thanks to strat+mars), but are notably cheaper. Of course they are a bit more fragile.
Just getting into Warhammer 40k and chose these guys as my first army. Only got the start collecting box and codex so far, buddy got the Necron starting pack but I'm stoked to build up my army. Definitely getting the Kastelan Robots next but not sure where to go from there. Excited to play, still in the painting/building process
I remember Brian saying "Ad Mech will be better at the start of 9th than Iron Hands were when they launched". Not sure how exaggerated that is, but my guess is a little but not that much. As he said here, absolutely no one will shoot better than Ad Mech. And the new units with bat wings fill that role of fast moving units to grab objectives, though they aren't something to build a competitive list around to put too many points into. Their biggest weaknesses have been lowered/all but removed now. Ad Mech is one of the armies in tomorrow's livestream BattRep, they do a good job to explaining their lists, their recommendations for units, why they do what they do, etc. etc.
It is very powerful, though the biggest thing to be determined moving forwards is what the standard is for terrain on a table, as it has a huge impact on this army.
Awsome video! Started just before 9th was announced and admechs are my first army so glad to hear its not doom and gloom :D. Any thoughts on how the Pteraxi and raiders will perform in 9th?
it is doom and gloom. Look, it's bad for the game and for you if your army is the effortlessly dominating power faction. Competetive 40k kind of fell off a cliff because of space marines, and it is bad for the game a whole. Factions should not be wildly out of balance. So it is doom and gloom unless and until admech gets a bit reigned in.
I highly recommend MSU with the kastellans. If you focus them as punchy bots and save shooting for some units of 5 plasma kataphron destroyers as Ryza. Then Vanguard for fodder in Transports sitting on objectives. Throw some electropriests in there with a manipulus. I also reccomend adding some Dragoons. run them up and screen due to the huge bases and incense.
What do you think of pairing admech with an Emissaries Imperatus Custodes Vanguard detachment? A Captain Commander with "Strategic Mastermind", Eagle's Eye, Auric Aquilis or Praetorian Plate relic, and Superior Creation WLT. 1. Voice of the Emperor WLT + Vexilla Defensor for a massive 12" inch aura of 5+ Inv save for all Imperium infantry units. 2. A smallish unit of 6 Allarus, 3. Another Vexilla with the new Vexilla Dominatus relic or not even picking up a second relic and just having two 5+ Inv auras?
This makes me so happy. Kastelan’s are my favorite unit, and I hated getting them tagged. Sadly, I think my Dragoons-who are my other favorite-are going to have to go back up on the shelf for a while. Oh, but how I did love those exploding 4s.
true line of sight can sometimes be hard to draw through windows if models are placed correctly? Granted it might mean you can’t shoot but it could also potentially mean you aren’t being shot at
Great analysis as always guys ! Now waiting for the "how to play Chaos space marine in 9th edition" video and ... I really hope the new codex will be a positive surprise :)
Would you consider revising the lists given the FAQ removing the option of multiple Holy Order Warlord Traits? Also since (as mentioned in other comments) Supreme Command doesn't work like that anymore, do you bother making Cawl a Warlord? More generally, I don't know if Tabletop Titans has a competitive focus or not, but would you buy in a Servitor Maniple warlord for the ignore wounds on kataphrons? Cawl, Manipulus with Holy Order trait, Servitor Maniple Dominus? I am finding it hard to figure out what I want to use with my Mechanicus, it feels like the taser nerf has taken away any real value for Infiltrators and Dragoons.
Interesting that you don't include Disintegrators in your list, as they also benefit quite nicely from Mars canticle. Do you just think that the changes to terrain made them quite obsolete? Also what's about stuffing those priest in a termite assault drill?
i built up my skorpius as the disintegrator before i found out you can magnetize the model. am i legally able to field my disintegrator as the skorpius dunerider if i simply swap out the weapons for the twin cognis heavy stubber?
if you used super glue put the model in the freezer for a few hours and then try snapping it off. Should break off clean if you didn't go crazy with the glue.
Great video, can't wait for tomorrows BatRep. Idr. Did the heavy flamers on Katasalen Robots get the blast keyword? If not, I feel like they would be a great take on Dakka bots. 2 guns and 1 flamer per model would wreak face as they moved up the board.
What is a datalosis? New to playing admech can’t figure out what you are referring to is that a data smith? Overall love the video and really helpful for the new edition just some of the terms you were using was having a hard time translating maybe since I am not seasoned 40k player or Tournament player
He is an HQ that was released in the Blackstone Fortress box set. I dont believe he is sold outside of the set besides Ebay. He is pretty cheap point wise and has some VERY good buffs.
Well you can also get the Daedalosus model if you’re near a Barnes & Nobles. They sell an exclusive 40k board game called Combat Arena and includes 4 other models for $40
I am pretty sure that Breachers are within 20-30% of the firepower per point versus Destroyers, but Breachers are easily 100% as tough per point as Destroyers with surprising melee. 60 points of Breachers gets 4 str6 -2, d3/d6 48-51 points of destroyer gets 5 grav shots or d6 plasma. Yeah overcharge is clearly more firepower per point, but at so much less durability. Breachers spam lists are quite popular in the competitive Admech groups and Cawl + Str7 are game changers.
There's a leak somewhere that has the Neutron Laser labeled as a Blast weapon. The Icarus Array though is not. If you're running mars, go with Icarus. If not, Neutron is still pretty decent, but since it has blast, it can be tagged and you can only fire the stubbers. Robots being unable to be tagged though- Big change. I've got 4 robots I never use. Might pick up two more now.
@@Xonthos Yeah Robots are definitely the big winners. Blast on Neutron sounds pretty exciting as well! Hold up, I thought Vehicles can't be tagged anymore in 9th?
@@savant969 they can. Blast can't shoot into combat, so a tagged model with a blast weapon can't use it. Also you can only shoot into combat when tagged, unless you kill everything you are in combat with and had enough gun to allocate other shots elsewhere. Which is great, again, for kastellans cause there's pretty much nothing they can't kill with a big squad of them and any spoiler charges get wiped out with like one or two and the rest fire at a real target.. Add strategems and... like... I don't think even a knight survives. They probably need to take away the vehicle keyword from bots TBH.
In your example where you are using the robots to screen, would they not be out of coherency? The ones on the end are not within 2" of two other models since the bases are 60mm wide. You will probably have to stick to units of 5 models for this to work.
I'm glad I'm doing admech for my main army, but I want to do dark mechanicum, assuming my opponent would allow it , I'm thinking mixing chaos space marines, especially demon engines, a few korne daemons like bloodletters, bloodcrushers, and possibly a Daemon prince, with mainly admech and chaos cultist's infantry, and tech priests, how would you guys recommend I go about this, because I want to do it sensibly.
Any thoughts on using serberys raiders for screening, and using your infantry slots for Kataphron Destroyers instead of Skitarii? One raider costs as much as 2 rangers, but it has 3 wounds, the base is big enough to take the place of two rangers, and it is much, much more mobile. 44pts for 9 T3, 12" move wounds vs 35pts for 5 T3, 6" move wounds sounds like a good deal to me. Yes, it means you have to take points from your vehicles to buy destroyers instead of skitarii, but plasma destroyers make a pretty decent gun line all on their own. I feel like it is a trade-off worth looking at.
I had planned to do this, 3x5 raiders for screening and objectives. But that cavalry keyword is really putting me off when most actions require infantry 😑
Would it be better to have a Knight army with Admech allies than the reverse? Thinking of CP cost. Or would the synergies be better if the main army is Admech?
Just incase anyone didn't catch the FAQ the released this is regards to the three warlord traits you're talking about taking "Q: Can the Mechanicus Locum Stratagem be used to give characters other than your warlord one of the Holy Order Warlord Traits? A: No. The Character is only considered your Warlord for the purposes of the Warlord Trait itself, not for what Warlord Traits it has access to."
I'm actually planning on taking a data Smith 🤪 tougher and better than an enginseer. Though that was when I needed an outrider to fit in all my raiders and ironstriders... Might be pairing that back as cavalry keyword is more of a restriction than any other keyword 🤔
What do dot think about using two L shaped and not connected terrain pieces in the middle of the board to still block LoS after touching the terrain? Like with a small hallway in between. It would use the new rules nicely while not letting shooting armies be too oppressive.
Im wanting to create a melee centric admech army, mainly for casual thematic games over competitive, but i don't want to be wiped out every match, is this still viable in 9th, sorry new to game and chose admech to start, i was thinking a few good squads of vanguard, some fist bots with flamers, kataphron breachers, a few squads of electros in duneriders, utilising the get out for free stratagem combined with the one that allows them to move 6" on disembark.
Nothing mentioned about the most potent build of this army, servitor maniple. Use breachers and destroyers, roll the castle of doom across the board wiping everything out. Lose a Cataphron? Sac a servitor and get it back.
I tried this once, I didn't have too high hopes, but holy hell, during the game I lost 6 models by the end all regular servitors sacrificed to resurrect kataphrons. I tried it with apigrina so I could resurrect full squads too, it's was brokenly good.
For the Table Top 40k game, can you have an army comprised of one type of model, for example an army of only Servitors with some tech priest thrown in?
Ok so im kinda wondering how i should play my Kastellans. I stumbled upon the Lucius stratagem that allows you to deep strike one unit of Kastellans (i.e. 6 Fist Kastellans at 9 inch charge range) and then use a warlord trait to deepstrike the cyberntic datasmith as well. To me this sounds amazing especially since i usually go up against Tau and dont want to be outgunned or out ranged but from all the battle reports ive seen, not a single person deepstrikes Kastellans in. is there a reason behind this? Would it be better to get the shooting kastellan fortress, place them on an obj and just hunker them down with the double shot protocol rather than ramming them into enemy lines straight away?
I know this is an old comment but I'd say the answer is: nobody is considering the fisto kastelans. Also, that is a MASSIVE amount of points to hold back in a game with only 5 turns. I think most people taking them are going full dakka and shooting stuff asap to get their points back. If you deep strike your kastelans and wiff the charge you've got 600+ points sitting there to get shot at and maybe achieve something turn 3.
@@FerreusVir It's been beaten like a dead horse to the point it's pretty evident that Blast affects a Weapon's Attack characteristic numbers, not the dice themselves (i.e., min. 3 Attack characteristic vs 6-10 models, max Attack characteristic vs 11+ models). So something like a wyvern that shoots 4D6 actually has a minimum of 4 attacks (1 on each D6), has no real bonus vs 6-10 models (as 4 is above the minimum 3), but will get that sweet 24 attacks vs 11+ models).
We got a 1 point strat that allows extra Warlord traits. What hasn't aged well, unfortunately, is that the FAQ states we can only have a Holy Order Warlord trait on the actual Warlord, and also only on a non-named character.
My friend is omniscanning Mortarion and using the Onager to do +2 to it's bs, negating my miasma -1 to hit in the process. Doing 2s to hit. Is that legal? Also, he is doing +2 strength to his army as mars, is that possible?
thing is, I imagine most terrain at tournements is going to be boarded up like 8th and then your basically back to square 1 as admech (with a bunch of great extra units). seems to me these terrain rules feel a bit buggy. like it seems to be not working as intended for you to touch a wall and then be able to see the whole board. either people just wont use terrain that does that or the rules will change IMO
As far as i can see they're reading the rules wrong, they say: "models that are on or within this terrain feature can be seen and targeted normally" nothing about them being able to do the opposite, in fact later it says "(note that the reverse is not true)" so RAW they are completely wrong on this as far as i can see.
@@cretbo2404 "(note that the reverse is not true)" is in reference to the aircraft rule regarding said terrain. It's not saying that the reverse isn't true about those inside terrain seeing out. In fact, they state in the article about terrain on warhammer community the following, "Another important point to note is that, even though Obscuring terrain blocks line of sight from one side to the other, a unit that’s INSIDE the terrain can still be freely targeted (though they will receive the benefit of cover if the terrain also has the Light Cover trait) and can give fire in return."
They're assuming you can just add any HQ. I personally don't think Cawl will get it when they're are no restrictions on putting him in any other detachment anyway.
Well, we no longer have our amazing stacking - to hit modifiers, Thats a rather big loss you forgot. And what is this about us not having good obsect/troops? The Skitarii are amazing. And.. did admech really struggle to get cp? A tripple bat was really cheap and easy to do. Apart from those caveats I enjoyed the video and look forwards to seeing the battlereport with them.
@@bartschouten1906 they noted that, particularly the flying dudes, are great tools for playing objectives away from you core castle of bots and destoyahs. But they aren't damage outputters. I imagine to actually build a winning admech list, 2 or three DS flying dudes will be key to tagging objectives after you have murdered the enemy near it.
Well...CA2020 pretty much killed this strategy: Robots went from 65pts to 125pts a bot. Skorpius also went up, its now 150pts. GW basically killed vehicle heavy lists across the board. Games are gonna be smaller now, and I don't know if I can even run my bots anymore 😭
not under publicly available rules. But they might have been giving a bit of a slip of the tongue while they put hqs into the supcom detachment. Or they might be mistaken.
Erin Ackerman there was a full core rule book leaked on reddit last week with all the detachment as well :) that’s I was referencing and hoping it’s an easier way to save 3 CP and soup a knight in.
These strats are all nice and dandy vs average armies like Death Guard, but i would like to watch you try any of this VS Primaris Yawn Marines. Ive watched 7-8 9th Ed bat rep so far, Primaris Yawn steam roll everything. Seems like everything new in 9th was an upgrade to them. Can you guys make a guide to play against em cause right now from what ive seen, I woudnt even bother play vs primaris. Please enlighten us, share your wisdom ! I collect 3 armies, none of em are marines...and its hard.
Ad mech are good this edition for sure, but I have a few opinions on Kastelens.... I think Kastelen robots are very good in the right scenarios, but also very BAD in some scenarios. Anti tank, espcailly things that ignore line of sight or come in from deep strike are devastating anti Kastelen units, with eradicators and manticores being good examples. And most of those units can use the same line of sight terrian tricks you showed off, evening the playing field vs the bots. Also your blight hauler examples didn't match up in points. 6 robots with Cawl, a ranger squad and a data smith is 1040 points, where as 3 blight haulers and 5 terminators are 485. For 1025 points you can have NINE blight haulers with missile launchers and multi-meltas, firing 18 melta shots and 9 missile shots. Also they have a 3+ armor save, 5+ invul save, a 5+ FNP, are t7 and have 8 wounds each. 9 Of them have 72 wounds, and would rock the face off of the unit's you have there. If any thing it severs as an example of how Kastelens are outmatched by things like anti tank units, which often turn them to scrap before they can deal significant damage. The Ad mech army has a bunch of good units with good stat lines, and a ton of clunky rules that some how work to make a functional army. I hope they get the SM treatment and recive a codex that cleans up a bunch of that clunk and refines the army into some thing that works together a bit more....smoothly.
don't worry, your riptides still have 40 ablative otherwise untouchable wounds, so you can likely out shoot them. It's hard to win an attrition battle with a riptide with nearly 60 wounds after all.
You mean Repentia or riot? :P Seems like 9th = Bloody Rose for sisters in all seriousness though. VH probably bumped to 2nd best order now (or spend some CP and continue to use both). Might see a return of mortifers with strategic reserves at least.
As it turned out, its actually not the best idea to tank with your Robots, as they are too valuable unit. Best to have 3 robots firing entire game, then 5 firing 2 turns.
While im not sure about everything it can refer to in warhammer, in general tabletop gaming "getting tagged" is when you place a unit directly next to an enemy unit for the purpose of shutting down that enemy from moving or taking a certain action; think like in basketball when you defend by getting in the face of whoever has the ball and blocking their movements or passes!
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It's so funny to listen to everyone discussing these new rules and how they affect each army. Some of the folks on reddit seem to believe that Admech are getting the shaft in 9th edition, but then this video makes it seem like they'll be left in a great spot. As a complete noob to the hobby, I have almost no knowledge on the matter so I have no clue who is right/wrong, but I appreciate the video explaining some of the differences and why they are beneficial. I guess I don't care much either, as long as the game is fun. Appreciate the content!
To be fair to the complainers, this video was filmed before 9e's points changes and rules FAQ, both of which heavily affect the army. For example you see a lot of tanks in this video but such a thing won't happen nearly as much as their points costs increased substancially, and one of said tanks is Admech's only viable transport. Furthermore the major gimmick of this army's close combat no longer exists, the TL;DR is that up to this point you had a 50% chance on the dice roll (4+) of doing a LOT of damage, but now you can no longer modify it so your attacks only "explode" on a 6 and nothing less - that combined with points increases without any benefit (which affect cheap units more, and that was the majority of Admech's close combat units) really blemishes the viability of many diverse builds.
On the other hand, to be fair to this video (although I don't think it's a good point per se) is that they only focused on the same old ball-o'-shooting builds around Kastelan Robots which are mostly buffed in 9e. They didn't show any of the new Admech units released this year nor did they bring up a more close-combat/transport/mobile focused army which is essentially dead now viability-wise. What they presented here is what 80+% of Admech lists will look like in 9e because so much else was nerfed to the ground that the army lost its occasional fun diversity and will revert back to only shooting blobs once again, no better than T'au. The major changes you'll see from army to army are which shooty ball you'll bring (Kastelans, Ballistari, Kataphrons?) but the way the army functions will essentially be the same.
If you havent been in the world of competetive MMO or anything with incredibly invested dudes just know that any percentage loss is immediately met with screeching about nerfing and making stuff useless.
At the end of the day if you aren’t play competitively every army is equal
Admech is very much getting the shaft. 9e is about board control, and AdMech, being an aura heavy shooting army, wants to be castled up.
Welcome to the internet. Everyone is right and wrong at the same time.
So glad I chose Admech to be my first army. Can't wait to get more models painted up and ready to field!
me too man!
same!
Holy fuck, I'm new to it too and chose admech as my starter
So much new player me too
Bro, me too. Just bought an archeocopter and some kastellan robots with electro priests. Why? No clue. Having fun and learning? Absolutely. Hope your playtime and painting time is going well!
I've been painting forever, but am finally considering taking the plunge with 40k gameplay since the introduction of the smaller scale Combat Patrols. That being said, these gameplay style per faction videos have been invaluable in helping me narrow down what army I may choose. I look forward to seeing more faction summaries in the future! Thanks so much for all your help 🙂
Long time admech player always getting to the top table at gt's so I'm happy that now I might be able to pull off a big win this season!
I'm new to 40k so obviously new to ad mech. How to they travel if they don't pray to the human God who sacrifices 1,000 souls a day?
@@johnryan8985 Any navigator can navigate using the emperor's psychic beacon, you don't actually have to be in the Imperial Cult, so they do it just like any other humans.
Just realised, riptides can move onto the terrain, shoot through and use the nova charge to move back of it and be hidden again.
the return of jump move jump baby
The ol poptart maneuver
The admech also got a lot of fast units now..... I would love to see some lists based on that. Lots of fast units, and just trolling with the serbery riders stratagem to get out of trouble.
Note: Plasma has been updated to be unmodified. +1 or -1 to hit won't affect it dumbly anymore. Same appears to be happening with exploding dice as well on 6s.
Only if all the plasma data sheets are updated. As it stands only those new marines have had it updated. But I think you're probably right. I hate plasma anyway lol
Thank you for doing these. I’m trying to get back into the hobby after a long break.
I haven't even ever played 40K, but these videos are fantastic. Love the channel, thanks for all the hard work you all put in.
You should try it, lots of fun but lots of rules in the start to understand and think of.
It's the most fun at the start if the armies are smaller (500 points) which will also make the games faster and less rule-y
@@LapahnYT Thanks, I might give it a shot. I'll see if I can rope some friends in possibly, more fun learning with others.
Im currently building my new admech army and I decided to go with the Data Hoard Forgeworld for the 6+ FNP Dogma and the regenerating vehicles. I figured the added durability works well with how encouraged you are to play dakka bots aggressively.
The supreme command is now only one “supreme commander” rather than 3 hqs Are you saying claw is x Sc supreme commander or Are you using old rules
Came here to ask this. They have been saying in all their videos that you can just take an extra HQ (like a tau commander), but unless there is a way to give it the Supreme Commander keyword that we don't know about, it can only be used on a handful of models.
I have no doubt that Cawl will be getting the Supreme Commander keyword.
There's no reason for him to get it really when you can include him in any detachment anyway and none of his benefits affect non-mars units.
Really love these videos, can’t wait for chaos knights and the harlequin ones love it keep it up 👍❤️
There is something to be said about exchanging the robots for Ironstriders. They can basically perform the same roll, with auto canons (per point more ffective against vehicles thanks to strat+mars), but are notably cheaper. Of course they are a bit more fragile.
Beautiful paintjob on that admech army
Just getting into Warhammer 40k and chose these guys as my first army. Only got the start collecting box and codex so far, buddy got the Necron starting pack but I'm stoked to build up my army. Definitely getting the Kastelan Robots next but not sure where to go from there. Excited to play, still in the painting/building process
How you finding it now 3 months later? Im in the same boat, just ordered some
As playtesters that focused heavily on playtesting this army as you say, how do you consider it balanced in regards to other armies?
I remember Brian saying "Ad Mech will be better at the start of 9th than Iron Hands were when they launched". Not sure how exaggerated that is, but my guess is a little but not that much.
As he said here, absolutely no one will shoot better than Ad Mech. And the new units with bat wings fill that role of fast moving units to grab objectives, though they aren't something to build a competitive list around to put too many points into. Their biggest weaknesses have been lowered/all but removed now.
Ad Mech is one of the armies in tomorrow's livestream BattRep, they do a good job to explaining their lists, their recommendations for units, why they do what they do, etc. etc.
It is very powerful, though the biggest thing to be determined moving forwards is what the standard is for terrain on a table, as it has a huge impact on this army.
Admech new model are available for pre-order, so there is motivation for them to be the best out of the gate.
@@RecklessFables theres new admech out!?
Loving these 9th videos. Your insights are very valuable.
Awsome video! Started just before 9th was announced and admechs are my first army so glad to hear its not doom and gloom :D. Any thoughts on how the Pteraxi and raiders will perform in 9th?
They're great for the board control secondaries, we just wouldn't go super hard on them
it is doom and gloom.
Look, it's bad for the game and for you if your army is the effortlessly dominating power faction. Competetive 40k kind of fell off a cliff because of space marines, and it is bad for the game a whole. Factions should not be wildly out of balance.
So it is doom and gloom unless and until admech gets a bit reigned in.
I highly recommend MSU with the kastellans. If you focus them as punchy bots and save shooting for some units of 5 plasma kataphron destroyers as Ryza. Then Vanguard for fodder in Transports sitting on objectives. Throw some electropriests in there with a manipulus. I also reccomend adding some Dragoons. run them up and screen due to the huge bases and incense.
What do you think of pairing admech with an Emissaries Imperatus Custodes Vanguard detachment? A Captain Commander with "Strategic Mastermind", Eagle's Eye, Auric Aquilis or Praetorian Plate relic, and Superior Creation WLT. 1. Voice of the Emperor WLT + Vexilla Defensor for a massive 12" inch aura of 5+ Inv save for all Imperium infantry units. 2. A smallish unit of 6 Allarus, 3. Another Vexilla with the new Vexilla Dominatus relic or not even picking up a second relic and just having two 5+ Inv auras?
This makes me so happy. Kastelan’s are my favorite unit, and I hated getting them tagged. Sadly, I think my Dragoons-who are my other favorite-are going to have to go back up on the shelf for a while. Oh, but how I did love those exploding 4s.
R.I.P. Stygies Dragoons. Long live the Mars Ballistarii.
Great job guys looking forward to your chaos marines video !
true line of sight can sometimes be hard to draw through windows if models are placed correctly? Granted it might mean you can’t shoot but it could also potentially mean you aren’t being shot at
Great analysis as always guys !
Now waiting for the "how to play Chaos space marine in 9th edition" video and ... I really hope the new codex will be a positive surprise :)
Not really related, but what colors do you use to paint that blue? Looks really good!
Would you consider revising the lists given the FAQ removing the option of multiple Holy Order Warlord Traits? Also since (as mentioned in other comments) Supreme Command doesn't work like that anymore, do you bother making Cawl a Warlord? More generally, I don't know if Tabletop Titans has a competitive focus or not, but would you buy in a Servitor Maniple warlord for the ignore wounds on kataphrons? Cawl, Manipulus with Holy Order trait, Servitor Maniple Dominus?
I am finding it hard to figure out what I want to use with my Mechanicus, it feels like the taser nerf has taken away any real value for Infiltrators and Dragoons.
Interesting that you don't include Disintegrators in your list, as they also benefit quite nicely from Mars canticle.
Do you just think that the changes to terrain made them quite obsolete?
Also what's about stuffing those priest in a termite assault drill?
i built up my skorpius as the disintegrator before i found out you can magnetize the model. am i legally able to field my disintegrator as the skorpius dunerider if i simply swap out the weapons for the twin cognis heavy stubber?
Technically yes, if nobody minds it
if you used super glue put the model in the freezer for a few hours and then try snapping it off. Should break off clean if you didn't go crazy with the glue.
Glad we run actual LoS blocking terrain to prevent this leaf lower resurgence. Great run down as always gents!
You'd better brush up on the new Unit Coherency rules. Those Robots at 14:00 can't be set up like that. Great tactics vid for the rest though!
Rest In Peace: Infantry conga line
I think they used two units of three
wasnt that coherency ment for infantry? where the robots are vehicles. The skitarii screen might be the coherency issue tho
@@svenv460 The rule reads 'While a unit has 6 or more models...' Doesn't say anything about infantry.
Great video, can't wait for tomorrows BatRep.
Idr. Did the heavy flamers on Katasalen Robots get the blast keyword? If not, I feel like they would be a great take on Dakka bots. 2 guns and 1 flamer per model would wreak face as they moved up the board.
flamers universally did not get blast.
Decided on admech after watching all the space marine releases and realizing id never be able to keep up with the meta/releases
You don't really want to chase the meta, it'll always change, go with what you like the look and feel and fluff of.
13:00 those robots aren't in coherency it doesn't look like :P
I was thinking that as well. Screening with robots falls apart a bit if they have to actually be in coherency.
@@pre8599 You take a unit of 5 and are happy about not caring ;)
2 units of 3 robots would work fine?
@@michaelsternald A single unit of 5 gets more mileage out of stratagems and fitting in detachments.
@@torakazu2269 I see, thanks 😊
Quality content, as always. Please do Grey Knights, soon.
What is a datalosis? New to playing admech can’t figure out what you are referring to is that a data smith? Overall love the video and really helpful for the new edition just some of the terms you were using was having a hard time translating maybe since I am not seasoned 40k player or Tournament player
He is an HQ that was released in the Blackstone Fortress box set. I dont believe he is sold outside of the set besides Ebay. He is pretty cheap point wise and has some VERY good buffs.
It is spelled daedalosus, kind of like the guy in the old Greek tales. With the spelling you should be able to do a search for him to see his rules.
Well you can also get the Daedalosus model if you’re near a Barnes & Nobles. They sell an exclusive 40k board game called Combat Arena and includes 4 other models for $40
Do you have or are you planing on incorporating the new units in your Admech army in 9th on this channel? Would love to see them on there.
I am pretty sure that Breachers are within 20-30% of the firepower per point versus Destroyers, but Breachers are easily 100% as tough per point as Destroyers with surprising melee.
60 points of Breachers gets 4 str6 -2, d3/d6
48-51 points of destroyer gets 5 grav shots or d6 plasma.
Yeah overcharge is clearly more firepower per point, but at so much less durability. Breachers spam lists are quite popular in the competitive Admech groups and Cawl + Str7 are game changers.
Robots should be taken in units of 5 now so they can conga line still. And so they don't get Blasted.
Waiting to see your vid on how to play Knights in 9th. Cant wait!!
With the vehicle changes, do your opinions of the other config options for the Onager change?
There's a leak somewhere that has the Neutron Laser labeled as a Blast weapon. The Icarus Array though is not. If you're running mars, go with Icarus. If not, Neutron is still pretty decent, but since it has blast, it can be tagged and you can only fire the stubbers.
Robots being unable to be tagged though- Big change. I've got 4 robots I never use. Might pick up two more now.
@@Xonthos Yeah Robots are definitely the big winners. Blast on Neutron sounds pretty exciting as well! Hold up, I thought Vehicles can't be tagged anymore in 9th?
@@savant969 they can. Blast can't shoot into combat, so a tagged model with a blast weapon can't use it.
Also you can only shoot into combat when tagged, unless you kill everything you are in combat with and had enough gun to allocate other shots elsewhere. Which is great, again, for kastellans cause there's pretty much nothing they can't kill with a big squad of them and any spoiler charges get wiped out with like one or two and the rest fire at a real target.. Add strategems and... like... I don't think even a knight survives.
They probably need to take away the vehicle keyword from bots TBH.
In your example where you are using the robots to screen, would they not be out of coherency? The ones on the end are not within 2" of two other models since the bases are 60mm wide. You will probably have to stick to units of 5 models for this to work.
I'm glad I'm doing admech for my main army, but I want to do dark mechanicum, assuming my opponent would allow it , I'm thinking mixing chaos space marines, especially demon engines, a few korne daemons like bloodletters, bloodcrushers, and possibly a Daemon prince, with mainly admech and chaos cultist's infantry, and tech priests, how would you guys recommend I go about this, because I want to do it sensibly.
Any thoughts on using serberys raiders for screening, and using your infantry slots for Kataphron Destroyers instead of Skitarii? One raider costs as much as 2 rangers, but it has 3 wounds, the base is big enough to take the place of two rangers, and it is much, much more mobile. 44pts for 9 T3, 12" move wounds vs 35pts for 5 T3, 6" move wounds sounds like a good deal to me. Yes, it means you have to take points from your vehicles to buy destroyers instead of skitarii, but plasma destroyers make a pretty decent gun line all on their own. I feel like it is a trade-off worth looking at.
I had planned to do this, 3x5 raiders for screening and objectives. But that cavalry keyword is really putting me off when most actions require infantry 😑
Would it be better to have a Knight army with Admech allies than the reverse? Thinking of CP cost. Or would the synergies be better if the main army is Admech?
Just incase anyone didn't catch the FAQ the released this is regards to the three warlord traits you're talking about taking "Q: Can the Mechanicus Locum Stratagem be used to give
characters other than your warlord one of the Holy Order
Warlord Traits?
A: No. The Character is only considered your Warlord for the
purposes of the Warlord Trait itself, not for what Warlord Traits
it has access to."
When will you be doing chaos space marines??
You can't put the new holy warlord auras on daedalosus. A few times you guys imply that you can. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not?
I'm actually planning on taking a data Smith 🤪 tougher and better than an enginseer. Though that was when I needed an outrider to fit in all my raiders and ironstriders... Might be pairing that back as cavalry keyword is more of a restriction than any other keyword 🤔
What do dot think about using two L shaped and not connected terrain pieces in the middle of the board to still block LoS after touching the terrain? Like with a small hallway in between. It would use the new rules nicely while not letting shooting armies be too oppressive.
Great review. Unfortunatly we can’t use more than 1 of the Pyskic awakening warlord traits in a single army anymore. :/
Im wanting to create a melee centric admech army, mainly for casual thematic games over competitive, but i don't want to be wiped out every match, is this still viable in 9th, sorry new to game and chose admech to start, i was thinking a few good squads of vanguard, some fist bots with flamers, kataphron breachers, a few squads of electros in duneriders, utilising the get out for free stratagem combined with the one that allows them to move 6" on disembark.
How did you do those eagles on your miniatures? They do look stunning.
Nothing mentioned about the most potent build of this army, servitor maniple. Use breachers and destroyers, roll the castle of doom across the board wiping everything out. Lose a Cataphron? Sac a servitor and get it back.
I tried this once, I didn't have too high hopes, but holy hell, during the game I lost 6 models by the end all regular servitors sacrificed to resurrect kataphrons. I tried it with apigrina so I could resurrect full squads too, it's was brokenly good.
I would be interested to see if dakkabots are just as strong on a more ITC style terrain layout, 2 L's in the center, buildings in corners etc....
Nice my 5 Sydonian dragoon are now completely useless, without the +2 to hit ...
convert them to ironstriders. ironstriders are going to be stupid good with mars autocannons.
For the Table Top 40k game, can you have an army comprised of one type of model, for example an army of only Servitors with some tech priest thrown in?
In theory... yes.
In practice... highly unlikely, but it might be doable.
Ok so im kinda wondering how i should play my Kastellans. I stumbled upon the Lucius stratagem that allows you to deep strike one unit of Kastellans (i.e. 6 Fist Kastellans at 9 inch charge range) and then use a warlord trait to deepstrike the cyberntic datasmith as well. To me this sounds amazing especially since i usually go up against Tau and dont want to be outgunned or out ranged but from all the battle reports ive seen, not a single person deepstrikes Kastellans in. is there a reason behind this? Would it be better to get the shooting kastellan fortress, place them on an obj and just hunker them down with the double shot protocol rather than ramming them into enemy lines straight away?
I know this is an old comment but I'd say the answer is: nobody is considering the fisto kastelans. Also, that is a MASSIVE amount of points to hold back in a game with only 5 turns. I think most people taking them are going full dakka and shooting stuff asap to get their points back. If you deep strike your kastelans and wiff the charge you've got 600+ points sitting there to get shot at and maybe achieve something turn 3.
Whar blues did you paint the army with?
you might enjoy this video if you like blue admechth-cam.com/video/DQVScNpd2cI/w-d-xo.html
Hi all, got a question about Shroud Psalm, does it grant Light and heavy cover? if unknown do we know what most people play as?
Just Light Cover. It's in the rare rules section of the new book.
Also, big question, but is Blast really meant to be 3-12 for a rapid fire battle cannon, or is it supposed to be 6-12 when shooting at large units?
Holy shit, I didn't think about this. If it's the latter Knights are going to CRUSH hordes.
@@FerreusVir It's been beaten like a dead horse to the point it's pretty evident that Blast affects a Weapon's Attack characteristic numbers, not the dice themselves (i.e., min. 3 Attack characteristic vs 6-10 models, max Attack characteristic vs 11+ models). So something like a wyvern that shoots 4D6 actually has a minimum of 4 attacks (1 on each D6), has no real bonus vs 6-10 models (as 4 is above the minimum 3), but will get that sweet 24 attacks vs 11+ models).
Op list idea, have like magos logos and genetor surround everything around the priests get robots and kataphron, and 2 dunecrawlers
No-one:
TTT: ABSOLUTELY
What’s the best use of the Duneriders?
at 19:40, multiple warlord traits, I thought you could only have 1 warlord and if you want another trait you sometimes have to use an artefact?
We got a 1 point strat that allows extra Warlord traits. What hasn't aged well, unfortunately, is that the FAQ states we can only have a Holy Order Warlord trait on the actual Warlord, and also only on a non-named character.
How are you doing a supreme command detachment with this army?
Cawl is most likely going to be a "Supreme Commander", so he can fit in there.
They aren't with 9th edition rules. Supreme command detachment now can only include a select few units, none of which being admec currently.
Lists are all well and good, but until we know whether robots are 65+ 9th changes or 110+ 9th changes neither of these lists are feasible.
My friend is omniscanning Mortarion and using the Onager to do +2 to it's bs, negating my miasma -1 to hit in the process. Doing 2s to hit. Is that legal? Also, he is doing +2 strength to his army as mars, is that possible?
Omnispex negates armor saves (BS is untouched). Mars Canticles gives +1 strength to heavy weapons. I think your friend is cheating pretty blatantly
thing is, I imagine most terrain at tournements is going to be boarded up like 8th and then your basically back to square 1 as admech (with a bunch of great extra units). seems to me these terrain rules feel a bit buggy. like it seems to be not working as intended for you to touch a wall and then be able to see the whole board. either people just wont use terrain that does that or the rules will change IMO
As far as i can see they're reading the rules wrong, they say: "models that are on or within this terrain feature can be seen and targeted normally" nothing about them being able to do the opposite, in fact later it says "(note that the reverse is not true)" so RAW they are completely wrong on this as far as i can see.
@@cretbo2404 "(note that the reverse is not true)" is in reference to the aircraft rule regarding said terrain. It's not saying that the reverse isn't true about those inside terrain seeing out.
In fact, they state in the article about terrain on warhammer community the following, "Another important point to note is that, even though Obscuring terrain blocks line of sight from one side to the other, a unit that’s INSIDE the terrain can still be freely targeted (though they will receive the benefit of cover if the terrain also has the Light Cover trait) and can give fire in return."
Which AdMech HQ's can be used in the Supreme Command Detachment? just Cawl?
They're assuming you can just add any HQ. I personally don't think Cawl will get it when they're are no restrictions on putting him in any other detachment anyway.
Love this videos on each faction. Would you consider after the hoe to play series you could maybe do a how to beat......in 9th series
Well, we no longer have our amazing stacking - to hit modifiers, Thats a rather big loss you forgot. And what is this about us not having good obsect/troops? The Skitarii are amazing. And.. did admech really struggle to get cp? A tripple bat was really cheap and easy to do. Apart from those caveats I enjoyed the video and look forwards to seeing the battlereport with them.
waiting for drukhari :(
you and me both
I dont play Drukhari neither am i really interested in them but i feel bad about how poorly GW treats you
Please do GK? Everyone runs the same stuff...I think a deeper list would be equally good. Paladin spam is not the only way!
So do you feel that there is a place for the new units in 9th?
Or are they just obsolite?
@@bartschouten1906 they noted that, particularly the flying dudes, are great tools for playing objectives away from you core castle of bots and destoyahs. But they aren't damage outputters.
I imagine to actually build a winning admech list, 2 or three DS flying dudes will be key to tagging objectives after you have murdered the enemy near it.
Well...CA2020 pretty much killed this strategy:
Robots went from 65pts to 125pts a bot.
Skorpius also went up, its now 150pts.
GW basically killed vehicle heavy lists across the board.
Games are gonna be smaller now, and I don't know if I can even run my bots anymore 😭
Can you supreme command detachment 1 knight that is your warlord and get the +3 CP to negate the CP cost of the Ad Mech Battalion?
not under publicly available rules. But they might have been giving a bit of a slip of the tongue while they put hqs into the supcom detachment. Or they might be mistaken.
Erin Ackerman there was a full core rule book leaked on reddit last week with all the detachment as well :) that’s I was referencing and hoping it’s an easier way to save 3 CP and soup a knight in.
What was used to give the fists gun barrels? I want to do that with my robots.
seems like simply glued the barrels into their normal fists, gonna jump on this train :)
These strats are all nice and dandy vs average armies like Death Guard, but i would like to watch you try any of this VS Primaris Yawn Marines. Ive watched 7-8 9th Ed bat rep so far, Primaris Yawn steam roll everything. Seems like everything new in 9th was an upgrade to them. Can you guys make a guide to play against em cause right now from what ive seen, I woudnt even bother play vs primaris. Please enlighten us, share your wisdom ! I collect 3 armies, none of em are marines...and its hard.
unstoppable dakka bots will murder pwn marines hard.
Like really hard.
Like trivially hard.
I'm so conflicted by their demos...Ad Mech and Death Guard are 2 of my favourite factions
Ad mech are good this edition for sure, but I have a few opinions on Kastelens....
I think Kastelen robots are very good in the right scenarios, but also very BAD in some scenarios. Anti tank, espcailly things that ignore line of sight or come in from deep strike are devastating anti Kastelen units, with eradicators and manticores being good examples. And most of those units can use the same line of sight terrian tricks you showed off, evening the playing field vs the bots.
Also your blight hauler examples didn't match up in points. 6 robots with Cawl, a ranger squad and a data smith is 1040 points, where as 3 blight haulers and 5 terminators are 485. For 1025 points you can have NINE blight haulers with missile launchers and multi-meltas, firing 18 melta shots and 9 missile shots. Also they have a 3+ armor save, 5+ invul save, a 5+ FNP, are t7 and have 8 wounds each. 9 Of them have 72 wounds, and would rock the face off of the unit's you have there.
If any thing it severs as an example of how Kastelens are outmatched by things like anti tank units, which often turn them to scrap before they can deal significant damage.
The Ad mech army has a bunch of good units with good stat lines, and a ton of clunky rules that some how work to make a functional army. I hope they get the SM treatment and recive a codex that cleans up a bunch of that clunk and refines the army into some thing that works together a bit more....smoothly.
aw yiss, i was waiting for it like for santa :-D
Paints used on those admech???
Supreme command detachment doesn't work like that anymore....
Better shooting army than the Tau? That's a solid oof to my baby blueberries.
I don't think they meant they would be better at shooting than the Tau, just that they're going to be the best shooting army.
don't worry, your riptides still have 40 ablative otherwise untouchable wounds, so you can likely out shoot them. It's hard to win an attrition battle with a riptide with nearly 60 wounds after all.
Drukhari next please!
Does anyone know how to get that gorgeous blue?
what's with Astra Militarum?
can we get a pastebin for the lists ? :)
Imperial knights next plz
Why do I hear so many saying that 9th is a melee-focused edition?
Because they're completely overrating the no overwatch and completely disregarding the new LoS, ignore heavy penalty and shoot in combat rules
He keeps mentioning a HQ by the name of data lotus or something along those lines. Who or what does he mean? And helpers?
Daedalosus is a Blackstone Fortress character you can use in 40k, doesn't break subfaction but doesn't get Forge World
I bought Belasarius just for the model. Guess I'll try some more o.O
Belisarius Cawl can't be used more than once in your army. He's a unique character.
I love big bots, I cannot lie
wondering weather you will ever look at sisters for 9th
You mean Repentia or riot? :P Seems like 9th = Bloody Rose for sisters in all seriousness though. VH probably bumped to 2nd best order now (or spend some CP and continue to use both). Might see a return of mortifers with strategic reserves at least.
As it turned out, its actually not the best idea to tank with your Robots, as they are too valuable unit. Best to have 3 robots firing entire game, then 5 firing 2 turns.
Your admech army is fucking beautiful
What is "getting tagged?" TIA.
While im not sure about everything it can refer to in warhammer, in general tabletop gaming "getting tagged" is when you place a unit directly next to an enemy unit for the purpose of shutting down that enemy from moving or taking a certain action; think like in basketball when you defend by getting in the face of whoever has the ball and blocking their movements or passes!
Admech go BLAM
What is this techno-heresy with the Scions of Mars painted blue?! The Omnissiah is not pleased.
You will never see 6 dakkabots. 5 is the number. Their bases are too big for coherency and terrain.
How to play tau in 9th edition.
Everything assaults you turn 1.
Answer - you don’t. RIP Tau.