CORRECTION: As far as I can tell, the GHK nozzle is not drop-in compatible, as I originally believed. I have been experiencing a lot of trouble trying to fit it in, but there are several issues that are preventing this. If you have made this conversion, I'd love to hear how it was done! However, the hop up unit was fairly easy to install, and seems to be working adequately, so far.
I've just brought a ghk hop unit as the golden eagle is terrible... it adjust itself after 5 shots and the accuracy is terrible, even on .30 bbs. I hope this ghk hop unit solves the issue. Could you send a link of the ghk hop unit if you have installed one? Cheers keep up the great video 👍
@@lewispittaway1555 I'm going to go ahead and copy my answer to your questions here too, just in case anyone else is interested. "Yes, the GHK improved unit is one of the units I have tried. It worked fine, but I wasn't as impressed with it as I'd hoped. Also, while experimenting with the GHK nozzle, the bucking was destroyed. So, I've now installed the Maple Leaf unit, which feels much higher quality. However, it appears that the nozzle trials may have had a negative effect on the bolt carrier. So, I can't really test this one as of right now. I am still planning to continue working on this, but for now, I've decided to place this project on hold. For the plastic GHK hop up, all I had to do was file one of the tabs completely off, and narrow down the other one to make it fit in the notch."
hello sir! I have a question for you could you please make a video about the guns hop up chaber unit - dissasemble and assemble ? pretty please I am lost and the manufacturer does not have one thanks alot ahead ! :)@@thatgbbguy
I've had one for about a year, and it's performed better than I had expected. I use it as a loaner GBBR for people that want to try one, without having to loan one of my really nice replicas -grim
Yes. My GE M16a2 has an orange piston (nozzle) . I bought the replica this winter, new, and since has had surprisingly good performance out of the box.
Interesting preview. I'm considering this and a Cyma AEG M4 for a "baby's first BB shooter". I'm pretty sure an AEG would be significantly more reliable at this sub-$200 mark, but the GBB manual of arms and handling being closer to a real rifle is appealing because I'd intend on it being more of a training aid than going to many fields.
@@TacticoolVIKINGBeard Yes, he did over time. here's the list of upgrades done in batches through the years: 2015: modded the carrier to fit GHK parts, as well as hop 2017: Complete swap to GHK BCG and FCG 2018: JG valve knocker swapped to steel, no idea what brand is the replacement As of commenting 2 months ago, the gunsmith said it still runs great and he apparently helped converting 2 units. The only internals left stock is the firing pin. Receiver is also holding up very well despite being only polymer.
Kinda leaning towards getting a cqbr model. I have a WA M4 I got from a friend some years ago that doesn't like to shoot lower fps lol but the build came with a stack of mags. So I figure at least it won't be hard to get mags. But damn is it tempting to just save up and pay the upper end price for a TM mws
Yeah, that's a tough decision. I'm more of a GHK user, so the WA system is right up my alley. I prefer the slightly more realistic internals. But if performance is your priority, the TM might be the better choice. Good luck, whatever you decide 😀.
The ultimate test is can it use red gas all year for the recoil. Of course you at least want to use heavy gas which is meant for gbbr's but can be used reinforced pistols like your upgraded tm hicapa. I don't expect the stock nozzle to take it. I meant you spent about $500 on it
Yeah, the internals probably couldn't stand it. I mean, the hammer and knocker are just pot metal. I expect those to break relatively quickly. I feel that with this gun, it is definitely more of a question of when, rather than if something breaks.
Just bought one. I plan on running red gas and rolling through some rough and cold environments. I'll drive it hard and put it away wet to really test it out. I figure if it can stand up to that abuse then it's GtG.
Yeah, this is pretty much gonna be my loaner gun. I guess we'll see how long it lasts. I've shot over 1,000 rounds through it so far, with no immediate concerns popping up. So, I'm feeling pretty good about this one.
Also if anyone wants to know... you can you ghk m4 charge handle if the golden eagle break, you just have to cut the two small tabs at the other end. 👍👍👍
I have metal one MC6589M GBB 12.5''. I made a VFC mags modification, what Explosive Enterprises shows on better VT rifle video. For VFC rifle user, this is the best option for this gbbr to made. WA still best system in my opinion.
Well you know, if it was full metal, airsoft usually use low grade pot metal aluminium castings. Secondly, gas in mags is too expensive and weight imbalanced you might even consider running a bottle externally, hence back to hpa.
I suppose that it depends on what you plan to use this training aid for. This replica does not feel like a real gun. It feels like a toy. The weight and materials really detract from it. However, if that doesn't bother you, it might not be too bad. I just wouldn't be too hard on the gun, as I expect the lower quality components will be easy to break. If the feel matters and money is no object, I would go for a GHK or VFC. They feel much more like the real thing, and will probably be able to take much more abuse. Although, those will run you quite a bit more.
another 150 +/- for upgrading it doesnt sound crazy people pay a lot for vfc, gbb and aeg, spend twice that price upgrading it and never get something really worth that money 300 and so (excluding mags) sound good for a reliable gbb
True, I don't think that price sounds too bad. However, I would have liked the price to be as low as possible, since a lot of people are hesitant to spend so much on a gbbr, without knowing that they'll like it, for sure. That being said, it is still a very good price for a gbbr.
@@thatgbbguy yup, maybe it would be better if you get the newer version for the ghk clone parts, but as said, good price for a base gun to start on gbbr
I don't think use GE mags it's an affordable option the one that came with My replica was already broken and i saw reviews from people who bought several times saying that one among 3-5 didn't work brand new (sorry if i had writing problems i'm from mexico :3)
Hi, great video very indepth and useful information. My cousin owns this and the stock hop unit is trash, I've brought a ghk hop unit which is plastic and cost like £10. Is this the same one you have tried or have you tried the ghk cnc hop unit that cost £55 ? Cheers. Would love to hear back from you.
Yes, that is one of the units I have tried. It worked fine, but I wasn't as impressed with it as I'd hoped. Also, while experimenting with the GHK nozzle, the bucking was destroyed. So, I've now installed the Maple Leaf unit, which feels much higher quality. However, it appears that the nozzle trials may have had a negative effect on the bolt carrier. So, I can't really test this one as of right now. I am still planning to continue working on this, but for now, I've decided to place this project on hold. For the plastic GHK hop up, all I had to do was file one of the tabs completely off, and narrow down the other one to make it fit in the notch.
@thatgbbguy ah brilliant, okay I'll keep that in mind when the hop unit arrives and when I get around to installing it. Much appreciate keep up the good work 👏 🙌 👍
*Update* yh the ghk m4 hop unit works better, as it would hop bbs nicely and consistently compared to the stock. Thanks for the useful information. Saved me alot of headaches 😊👍
I assume that you are referring to a real rifle. If so, I don't technically disagree with you. Airsoft replicas are expensive. However, there is one important thing to remember. Airsoft guns are not the same thing as real guns. They do not function the same, and they do not serve the same purpose. 1. Real guns cannot be used in the sport of airsoft 2. Airsoft guns are substantially cheaper to shoot at targets.
Amazing, well detail and informative review. Hey would you be able to give me source for your statements about the nozzle and hop up. If you could send me the article you got that info that would be awesome. If not I understand thank you.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Most of my research came from the Heavy Recoil Club Discord. There have been a lot of discussions on there about this system. If you aren't already on there, I can send you an invite link, if you are interested 🙂. Is there a specific part that you were wondering about? I know that the hop up and nozzle are definitely western arms spec, as I disassembled the gun to check them. However, I will admit, I was wrong about a couple things: 1. The orange nozzles are actually the new ones. I had assumed that they were the old ones, due to the old hop unit being in this gun. 2. From what I'm understanding, they all come with WA nozzles. It's just that the new ones come with a clone of the new GHK hop unit. So, I'm not really sure where I got the idea that the two were not compatible.
@@thatgbbguy Oh okay I see, and yes I would greatly appreciate an invite link! I’ve seen the orange nozzle on many videos of these m4 gbbrs sold by matrix. I have an older one with a black nozzle and I figured that the orange ones were new upgraded nozzles. You made a statement in the video that I never had heard and I was interested about learning more as being able to upgrade to GHK parts would’ve have been great but I guess that option is out the window haha. WA parts seem like they’re getting more scarce by the day and GHK parts are higher quality in most cases. But I’ve seen on Reddit that one can swap out the barrel and bolt assembly with GHK parts but that would require a lot of work and some decent funds to source all those expensive GHK parts.
@@thegoodnewsguy1315 Here is the link: discord.gg/heavyrecoilclub. You can switch to a GHK nozzle, which is what I'm going to do at some point. However, you will need to make some modifications to the nozzle lock. I believe that the user "CoolDown" shared how to modify the lock to fit a GHK nozzle. A quick search in the wa-systems channel should bring that up. I'm going to try installing a GHK hop and nozzle later this summer, so I'll probably make that into a video. And yeah, the bolt carrier is too long to fit in the WA receiver. But it can apparently be filed down to fit. I haven't done my research into that route myself, though. Sorry about the mistaken information!
@@thatgbbguy No need to apologize you’re all good. You’re just going off information that you had. If you ever do make modifications to your gbbr it would be great if you could upload videos on how to do it. I would greatly appreciate that and I’m sure others would too.
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I can't tighten or loosen the screw. They must have used quite a bit of Loctite on there. I'll try to get it loosened up, but with it being (what I assume) pot metal, I don't want to strip it out. I'll let you know when/if I end up trying that out.
I think it would be likely that using CO2 could damage the plastic receiver. It would probably be fine with a metal receiver. But that's pretty much just my opinion.
Basically yes. However, there are two slight changes that I am aware of. 1. The shape of the gas router is slightly different. So, if you are going to use GHK mags, I'd probably go with a GHK nozzle to maximize the gas seal. 2. The valve knocker is slightly longer on the GE. I don't know what all issues that could create, since it would push the valve farther in than intended. However, the main concern I have is with safety. If you insert a GHK mag with the hammer down, the valve knocker is long enough to release gas and fire the gun. I'm actually working on making both of these upgrades today, in addition to installing a new hop unit. I'm pretty excited to see how it turns out.
@@thatgbbguyhave you installed the GHK nozzle yet? If so, did you have to make any modifications to the bolt carrier or was it just as simple as taking off the clip on the bolt and swapping the nozzle. Also will you be making a video/ tutorial about any modifications?, thanks
@@minisutart4570 Yes, I've installed the nozzle. However, there are some complications that I was not expecting. So, it will be a while before I determine what resolution I should go with. And, I plan to shoot at least a 1,000 rounds through it, to make sure that there is no abnormal wear. Specifically, there are 2 big issues that I had to resolve: 1. The nozzle lock was too big, and had to be shaved down. I used a combination of files and Dremel for this. 2. The GHK nozzle is shorter. Originally, I just used a screw driver to get the return spring through the hole, and lock it down. That part wasn't too bad. However, instead of the bolt carrier hitting the top of the nozzle, it hits the bottom. This is creating wear on the nozzle, which I fear will develop into a large issue if left unchecked. I saw a user who mentioned cutting a slot to allow the nozzle to move further back into the bolt carrier, but that would probably affect range and accuracy, since it wouldn't go as far into the hop unit. TLDR I have tried installing it, I've come across a few issues. I will publish a video walking through my changes, but it may be a few weeks before that. I want to make sure that my modifications work and won't cause damage within 1,000 rounds.
hello sir! I have a question for you could you please make a video about the guns hop up chaber unit - dissasemble and assemble ? pretty please I am lost and the manufacturer does not have one thanks alot ahead ! :)
Hello! I have a disassembly video for the GHK m4, which is a clone of the Western Arms system. I believe that should be able to guide you through to the hop up. Of course, as it is a clone there will be a few differences, but they should be minimal. I'll try to cover the two main differences that I can remember. 1. If you have the plastic version, the silver gas tube cannot be pushed into the receiver. So, you will unfortunately have to loosen the front sight. This is relatively simple, with just a few pins and a grub screw. Then, just push it away from the receiver until there is enough space to pull out the gas tube 2. When you remove the hop up unit from the body, there is a small spring on top. Just be careful not to lose that, as it likes to pop out. Hope this helps! If you have any more questions, feel free to ask away! 🙂
@@thatgbbguy thank you so much for the quick answer as I have checked sadly I cant post a picture here but here is a link for the unit that look exacly the same like the one I have in my MC6595M Gas Blow-Back Rifle - Black [Golden Eagle] :)) thank you so much for help since there is literaly 0 nada info on the internet about the right assambly of this unit not sure if you have this tho :( and not sure if its some kind of a new unit or a very old one thank for the infooo :)
Yeah, it was performing very well. I've shot over 1,500 rounds through it (about 45 mags worth), and it was still kicking strong. No signs of cracking, that I've seen. Unfortunately, I have been trying to convert it to GHK parts, and that has put it out of commission, for now. The GHK hop up went in very easily. But, when I tried to convert the bcg to take a GHK nozzle, I must have accidentally damaged it. So, until I can get a new bcg in there, it's down. Still though, if I hadn't messed with it, I'd guess it'd still be up and working great.
@@thatgbbguy have you tried using GHK's FCG in it? Im curious about parts compatibility within the FCG excluding the valve knocker assembly & bolt catch. VFC steel hammer & sear is pretty cheap so i've been wondering if it will fit. Edit: Ive seen a video here on youtube about a guy from thailand who cut a bit of material from a VFC M4 BCG and fitted it into his GE. Looks to be a good side project
@@Jerv165 I have not tried any GHK FCG parts, as I want see how long the original will last. Yep, that's exactly the same procedure for GHK BCG. I have considered trying the GHK one, but it's so expensive compared to the cost of the gun, that I didn't really want to go down that route. I may do it anyway, as I really don't see the GHK nozzle working very well in the GE BCG, due to multiple factors.
It would depend on the hand guard. You shouldn't need to change anything beyond what comes with the handguard. Although, I do not know if it is compatible with RS handguards out of the box though, unfortunately. Also, I'd probably lean towards getting handguards designed for the GHK/WA/VFC platforms. AEG handguards are usually dimensionally different, but can sometimes be modified to fit.
I have the emg mk18, I believe its pretty much the same, WA system. Is it possible to switch to a ghk hopup and barrel if I use the WA nozzle? I also just bought the Golden eagle aeg hop chamber that allows it to take aeg barrels in the gbbr. Would this be an improvement over the WA hop up if it is inherently flawed like you say?
To my knowledge, it can take GHK hopups. I plan to try installing one in the next few months. I'll let you know when I do. From what I've been told online, you do need a GHK nozzle. But, I'll also confirm that when I upgrade the hopup. As for the golden eagle hopup, their new ones supposedly have a clone of the new GHK hopup. So I'm assuming that this is what you're talking about. And, in that case it should be pretty good.
I have not. However, I just installed one of the "improved" GHK hop ups, and it worked with some minor modifications. I'm currently working on a video about it, but I've run into some complications with the GHK nozzle, that I'm currently testing. But that video should come out in a few weeks. It just depends on how well my testing does. Now, about how effective the upgrade would be, depends on which hop up your specific replica has. I was extremely unlucky, that I received one with a WA hop unit. Those were replaced with a better unit later, but there is a little old stock around.
@@thatgbbguy When you tested the GHK hop up, were you able to hit consistent and stable shots at 60m? also, does the hopup work without using a ghk nozzle, would the stock WA spec nozzle work?, thanks
@@minisutart4570 Yes, as far as I can tell, the hop up unit is compatible with both nozzles. As of right now, I do not necessarily recommend the "improved" GHK hop up unit, as it appears to have trouble lifting even .25g BBs. I will probably try installing a Maple Leaf VSR bucking at some point. I have a TNT hop up in my GHK m4, which I've been pretty happy with. I would try that in the GE, except that you have to make permanent modifications to the hop up unit itself. Accuracy wise, I am pretty happy. I installed a ML crazy jet barrel, and was able to get pretty good results with both nozzles (excluding the lift issue) at 60m. Although, I have yet to actually do a proper test. It has been rain and wind here for days. One last thing I want to mention, and your mileage may vary. I found that the metal feed lips on my GE magazine would tear up the BBs and fill the barrel with white powder. Which, would ruin the accuracy after a few rounds. To be clear, the accuracy was good up to that point. So, I guess that's something to consider. Maybe since I got a worse hop up, I also got a worse magazine? No idea.
I was wondering If you could give me the step-by-step for how you modified the GHK hopup to fit. I just bought and received my tnt hopup and I am having lots of problems trying to fit it into the hopup chamber. Also would a ghk hopup chamber work with the stock WA nozzle and receiver? Thanks@@thatgbbguy
@@minisutart4570 Absolutely! Basically, I just had to remove one of the wings ( I forget which side ) and slightly reduce the size of the other side, until it didn't feel too tight. If I remember correctly, that's all that's needed. I've actually been wondering about that GHK hopup chamber myself. I have no idea at this point. If you try it, let me know. There have been a lot of complications with the GHK nozzle, so I'll probably stick with the GE one until I've been able to do some long-term testing. Also, I can provide some pictures and maybe even video of my modifications on my Discord channel, if you're interested. I have been recording my modifications for a future video, so I might be able to share some of those. My invite link is on my about page.
Hey I got one of these around January of 2023, and for months it hasn’t been working right. Every time I put the mag in with fresh gas it won’t fire any BB’s. It will chamber but all I get is a click. I’ve opened it up and tried to troubleshoot countless times, do you have any solutions?
Is it coming out of the input valve area as you fill it? If so, then it is most likely due to a missing input valve o-ring. I like to buy my o-rings from amazon in bulk, as it is much cheaper than buying airsoft specific ones. I have a link to the ones I use, in the description of my "Five Reasons That Your GBB Can't Mag Dump" video. Hope that helps 😀
@@thatgbbguy it’s like it’s not going on. Like it’s clogged or I’m not lining it up correctly. When I spray it it just erupts out of the valve and freezes my hand lol
Yeah, unless I'm misunderstanding, that sounds like a missing o-ring. It's easy to check. It goes around the skinny part of the input valve, and is visible without any disassembly
I had trouble getting the gas to go in mine too, I checked to see if the o ring was in place - it was. Next, I pushed down on the round silver thing at the top of the mag, this caused the small cylindrical pin near it on the side to push out, then the gas went in fine.
It depends on which hop up you are using. Since mine came with the WA bucking, I had to replace the whole unit to use standardized buckings and barrels. Right now, I'm using the Maple Leaf unit with (I believe) a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet Hot Shot blue bucking.
@@samuelhirammartinezbaldera7989 Now that's interesting, I was not aware of the Maple Leaf hop up doing anything like that. I have been having issues with the gun shooting. However, I do not currently believe that it is the fault of the hop unit. While trying to modify the bolt carrier to fit a GHK nozzle, I think I may have ruined it. I need to either get a new GE one, or modify a GHK bolt. That's a project I plan to take on when the weather warms up a bit.
@@kajtolak The ML hop up unit was pretty simple to install. I just had to take a file to the side wings, and it fit right it. Just make sure that you file a little and try the fit often. You don't want it to be so loose that it moves around.
If I remember correctly, the VFC m4s work with GHK mags. You just have to change out the valve knocker. So, I would expect that it would work. Unfortunately, I do not know for sure.
NO!! These use the TRUE ORIGINAL WA Gas System and Magazines!! I have also have the full length rifle M4 with Lite Weight K-Mod Forearm and have tried others. The JG/GE made Mags are the only reliable ones and surprise, THEY DON'T LEAK!! MY EXPERIENCE has been GHK's Mags LEAK quickly! I'll NEVER buy a GHK!
To each their own, but I have had pretty good experiences with the GHK mags. I currently have 15 m4 mags, 7 of which are the version 1, while the rest are version 2. None of them leak currently. When they do, a quick oil is all it takes to fix them. With this replica, the GHK mags work fine in full auto and in semi auto. But the gas routers are slightly different, so I'm definitely going to switch out the nozzle. However, as of 2020, GHK has been having serious QA issues. So keep that in mind. Just figured I should mention this, to be fair to GHK.
@@vintageguitarz1 i only asked since i dont want to shell out tons of cash for WA magazines when i already have 5 VMAGs. Since they look the same except for the roller, i thought that it might work since the VFC system is derived from the original WA design. And also, explosive enterprise made the VFC mags work on his Vipertech rifles which are also based on the WA system ( im not sure what other changes there are but from what i have gathered, the VTs have the correct receiver length and have a longer bolt). Id much rather buy a GE rifle & modify the magwell to fit VFC mags than investing more cash on mags.
Are you able to tell where the gas is coming out? If it is coming out of the fill valve while you are filling it, you probably need an input valve o-ring. I got mine off of Amazon, and I can send that link. If it's coming out somewhere else, we'll need to do a bit more diagnosis.
@@Brysonxr201 Here are Samoon's instructions for oiling the output valve. The link on their page leads to a video demonstration: samoon.com.tw/lubricate-output-valve. Make sure that you don't put too much gas in the mag before releasing it, as the release can cause damage. Personally, i would recommend letting the mag sit a little while before releasing the gas, to give it some time to work the oil. Maybe 10-15 minutes. If it still leaks after that, maybe wait an hour and try again. If it still leaks after a couple tries, you will need to check that the o-rings are not damaged and that everything is screwed in properly. I can go into detail on that if needed. Hope this helps!
Firstly, I don't have any WA mags (nor do I have the interest in buying any), so I couldn't compare them anyway. But even so, what would be the point of that? From the beginning , my intention has been to modify this replica to use GHK compatible parts. Whether that is a good idea or not, you can have your own opinion. I'm already invested in the GHK ecosystem. My original research implied that it was as easy as minor modifications to the bolt carrier, and replacing the nozzle. After trying that, it doesn't look like it'll be that simple. Besides, GHK (and VFC) are clones of the WA system. So they are very similar, and direct competitors. And yes, I know there are differences between the brands. Hope this clears up your concerns 🙂
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CORRECTION: As far as I can tell, the GHK nozzle is not drop-in compatible, as I originally believed. I have been experiencing a lot of trouble trying to fit it in, but there are several issues that are preventing this. If you have made this conversion, I'd love to hear how it was done!
However, the hop up unit was fairly easy to install, and seems to be working adequately, so far.
I've just brought a ghk hop unit as the golden eagle is terrible... it adjust itself after 5 shots and the accuracy is terrible, even on .30 bbs. I hope this ghk hop unit solves the issue. Could you send a link of the ghk hop unit if you have installed one? Cheers keep up the great video 👍
@@lewispittaway1555 I'm going to go ahead and copy my answer to your questions here too, just in case anyone else is interested.
"Yes, the GHK improved unit is one of the units I have tried. It worked fine, but I wasn't as impressed with it as I'd hoped. Also, while experimenting with the GHK nozzle, the bucking was destroyed. So, I've now installed the Maple Leaf unit, which feels much higher quality. However, it appears that the nozzle trials may have had a negative effect on the bolt carrier. So, I can't really test this one as of right now. I am still planning to continue working on this, but for now, I've decided to place this project on hold.
For the plastic GHK hop up, all I had to do was file one of the tabs completely off, and narrow down the other one to make it fit in the notch."
hello sir! I have a question for you could you please make a video about the guns hop up chaber unit - dissasemble and assemble ? pretty please I am lost and the manufacturer does not have one thanks alot ahead ! :)@@thatgbbguy
Everyone close your eyes. Joe Rogan is now reviewing an airsoft gun.
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AS I WAS READING YOUR COMMENT I CAN HEAR THE VOICE CHANGE SICK!!
I WAS THINKING THAT THIS ENTIRE TIME! Glad I'm not totally insane
I've had one for about a year, and it's performed better than I had expected. I use it as a loaner GBBR for people that want to try one, without having to loan one of my really nice replicas -grim
Nice! I had pretty low expectations to begin with, but it has definitely impressed me so far.
Thank you for the run-down on this model.
Glad you enjoyed it!
orange nozzle came out last year to fix black nozzle break from bad QC.
Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for letting me know!
Yes. My GE M16a2 has an orange piston (nozzle) . I bought the replica this winter, new, and since has had
surprisingly good performance out of the box.
Interesting preview. I'm considering this and a Cyma AEG M4 for a "baby's first BB shooter".
I'm pretty sure an AEG would be significantly more reliable at this sub-$200 mark, but the GBB manual of arms and handling being closer to a real rifle is appealing because I'd intend on it being more of a training aid than going to many fields.
I saw someone from a local Discord group that has this replica he bought last 2015 and is still kicking today but in upgraded form
Wow, that's impressive!
@@thatgbbguy Yeah i was pretty surprised too seeing a cheap GBBR replica lasting for years when upgraded with GHK parts
@@TheOperatorDeltaso did he convert it to a GHK operating system? Because this is a Western Arms system.
@@TacticoolVIKINGBeard Yes, he did over time. here's the list of upgrades done in batches through the years:
2015: modded the carrier to fit GHK parts, as well as hop
2017: Complete swap to GHK BCG and FCG
2018: JG valve knocker swapped to steel, no idea what brand is the replacement
As of commenting 2 months ago, the gunsmith said it still runs great and he apparently helped converting 2 units. The only internals left stock is the firing pin. Receiver is also holding up very well despite being only polymer.
Kinda leaning towards getting a cqbr model. I have a WA M4 I got from a friend some years ago that doesn't like to shoot lower fps lol but the build came with a stack of mags. So I figure at least it won't be hard to get mags. But damn is it tempting to just save up and pay the upper end price for a TM mws
Yeah, that's a tough decision. I'm more of a GHK user, so the WA system is right up my alley. I prefer the slightly more realistic internals. But if performance is your priority, the TM might be the better choice. Good luck, whatever you decide 😀.
The ultimate test is can it use red gas all year for the recoil. Of course you at least want to use heavy gas which is meant for gbbr's but can be used reinforced pistols like your upgraded tm hicapa. I don't expect the stock nozzle to take it. I meant you spent about $500 on it
Yeah, the internals probably couldn't stand it. I mean, the hammer and knocker are just pot metal. I expect those to break relatively quickly. I feel that with this gun, it is definitely more of a question of when, rather than if something breaks.
Just bought one. I plan on running red gas and rolling through some rough and cold environments. I'll drive it hard and put it away wet to really test it out. I figure if it can stand up to that abuse then it's GtG.
Yeah, this is pretty much gonna be my loaner gun. I guess we'll see how long it lasts. I've shot over 1,000 rounds through it so far, with no immediate concerns popping up. So, I'm feeling pretty good about this one.
Also if anyone wants to know... you can you ghk m4 charge handle if the golden eagle break, you just have to cut the two small tabs at the other end. 👍👍👍
I love using a well gbb ak, runs wonderfully, figured i might as well try something i never thought i would do.
Buy an M4.
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172$ for a GBB is pretty cheap and reasonable price.
Some mag pull stocks do pull straight off.
7:29 that silver part is the autosear
I have metal one MC6589M GBB 12.5''. I made a VFC mags modification, what Explosive Enterprises shows on better VT rifle video. For VFC rifle user, this is the best option for this gbbr to made. WA still best system in my opinion.
felt I was watching a Sseth video at 0:21 seconds for a second there.
Lol, I didn't realize that intro was already being used 😂
Well you know, if it was full metal, airsoft usually use low grade pot metal aluminium castings.
Secondly, gas in mags is too expensive and weight imbalanced you might even consider running a bottle externally, hence back to hpa.
Great review, would this unit make a good practice rifle for supplemental training for a real rifle , would it hold up?
I suppose that it depends on what you plan to use this training aid for. This replica does not feel like a real gun. It feels like a toy. The weight and materials really detract from it. However, if that doesn't bother you, it might not be too bad. I just wouldn't be too hard on the gun, as I expect the lower quality components will be easy to break.
If the feel matters and money is no object, I would go for a GHK or VFC. They feel much more like the real thing, and will probably be able to take much more abuse. Although, those will run you quite a bit more.
another 150 +/- for upgrading it doesnt sound crazy people pay a lot for vfc, gbb and aeg, spend twice that price upgrading it and never get something really worth that money
300 and so (excluding mags) sound good for a reliable gbb
True, I don't think that price sounds too bad. However, I would have liked the price to be as low as possible, since a lot of people are hesitant to spend so much on a gbbr, without knowing that they'll like it, for sure.
That being said, it is still a very good price for a gbbr.
@@thatgbbguy yup, maybe it would be better if you get the newer version for the ghk clone parts, but as said, good price for a base gun to start on gbbr
Ничего не понял, так как не знаю языка, но мне понравилось. Пойду дальше мучить kjw m4 2011 года выпуска, которая до сих пор все никак не умрет 😂
Wow! Glad you enjoyed the video despite the language gap. Always awesome to see comments from airsofters all over the world! 😀
Do they make a full metal version of this gun?
Yep, there are actually many different versions. I got the most basic one possible, as it was substantially cheaper than the others.
Hm safety issue does not exist on never versions, Mlok one are really nice
That's good to hear! Glad that was something they could fix
I don't think use GE mags it's an affordable option the one that came with My replica was
already broken and i saw reviews from people who bought several times saying that one among 3-5 didn't work brand new (sorry if i had writing problems i'm from mexico :3)
I've have that gbbr thats worth it gun. But not Steel parts😅
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of this gun for this price 😀.
Hi, great video very indepth and useful information. My cousin owns this and the stock hop unit is trash, I've brought a ghk hop unit which is plastic and cost like £10. Is this the same one you have tried or have you tried the ghk cnc hop unit that cost £55 ? Cheers. Would love to hear back from you.
Yes, that is one of the units I have tried. It worked fine, but I wasn't as impressed with it as I'd hoped. Also, while experimenting with the GHK nozzle, the bucking was destroyed. So, I've now installed the Maple Leaf unit, which feels much higher quality. However, it appears that the nozzle trials may have had a negative effect on the bolt carrier. So, I can't really test this one as of right now. I am still planning to continue working on this, but for now, I've decided to place this project on hold.
For the plastic GHK hop up, all I had to do was file one of the tabs completely off, and narrow down the other one to make it fit in the notch.
@thatgbbguy ah brilliant, okay I'll keep that in mind when the hop unit arrives and when I get around to installing it. Much appreciate keep up the good work 👏 🙌 👍
*Update* yh the ghk m4 hop unit works better, as it would hop bbs nicely and consistently compared to the stock. Thanks for the useful information. Saved me alot of headaches 😊👍
For $500 you could have saved up a bit more and got a solid entry level rifle.
I assume that you are referring to a real rifle. If so, I don't technically disagree with you. Airsoft replicas are expensive. However, there is one important thing to remember. Airsoft guns are not the same thing as real guns. They do not function the same, and they do not serve the same purpose.
1. Real guns cannot be used in the sport of airsoft
2. Airsoft guns are substantially cheaper to shoot at targets.
Amazing, well detail and informative review. Hey would you be able to give me source for your statements about the nozzle and hop up. If you could send me the article you got that info that would be awesome. If not I understand thank you.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Most of my research came from the Heavy Recoil Club Discord. There have been a lot of discussions on there about this system. If you aren't already on there, I can send you an invite link, if you are interested 🙂.
Is there a specific part that you were wondering about?
I know that the hop up and nozzle are definitely western arms spec, as I disassembled the gun to check them.
However, I will admit, I was wrong about a couple things:
1. The orange nozzles are actually the new ones. I had assumed that they were the old ones, due to the old hop unit being in this gun.
2. From what I'm understanding, they all come with WA nozzles. It's just that the new ones come with a clone of the new GHK hop unit. So, I'm not really sure where I got the idea that the two were not compatible.
@@thatgbbguy Oh okay I see, and yes I would greatly appreciate an invite link! I’ve seen the orange nozzle on many videos of these m4 gbbrs sold by matrix. I have an older one with a black nozzle and I figured that the orange ones were new upgraded nozzles. You made a statement in the video that I never had heard and I was interested about learning more as being able to upgrade to GHK parts would’ve have been great but I guess that option is out the window haha. WA parts seem like they’re getting more scarce by the day and GHK parts are higher quality in most cases. But I’ve seen on Reddit that one can swap out the barrel and bolt assembly with GHK parts but that would require a lot of work and some decent funds to source all those expensive GHK parts.
@@thegoodnewsguy1315 Here is the link: discord.gg/heavyrecoilclub.
You can switch to a GHK nozzle, which is what I'm going to do at some point. However, you will need to make some modifications to the nozzle lock. I believe that the user "CoolDown" shared how to modify the lock to fit a GHK nozzle. A quick search in the wa-systems channel should bring that up.
I'm going to try installing a GHK hop and nozzle later this summer, so I'll probably make that into a video.
And yeah, the bolt carrier is too long to fit in the WA receiver. But it can apparently be filed down to fit. I haven't done my research into that route myself, though.
Sorry about the mistaken information!
@@thatgbbguy No need to apologize you’re all good. You’re just going off information that you had. If you ever do make modifications to your gbbr it would be great if you could upload videos on how to do it. I would greatly appreciate that and I’m sure others would too.
u can fix the stock by screwing the pin down more i think
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I can't tighten or loosen the screw. They must have used quite a bit of Loctite on there. I'll try to get it loosened up, but with it being (what I assume) pot metal, I don't want to strip it out.
I'll let you know when/if I end up trying that out.
Would You recomend use co2 mags with or without metal receivers?
I think it would be likely that using CO2 could damage the plastic receiver. It would probably be fine with a metal receiver. But that's pretty much just my opinion.
Looks good for just a training tool
For about 350 you can get 14,5 all in still nos also still l got one and is perfect golden eagle 👍🎯💯
So the ghk mags work in a western arms system??? Its been a nightmare to find mags for this since theyre never in stock
Basically yes. However, there are two slight changes that I am aware of. 1. The shape of the gas router is slightly different. So, if you are going to use GHK mags, I'd probably go with a GHK nozzle to maximize the gas seal. 2. The valve knocker is slightly longer on the GE. I don't know what all issues that could create, since it would push the valve farther in than intended. However, the main concern I have is with safety. If you insert a GHK mag with the hammer down, the valve knocker is long enough to release gas and fire the gun.
I'm actually working on making both of these upgrades today, in addition to installing a new hop unit. I'm pretty excited to see how it turns out.
@@thatgbbguyhave you installed the GHK nozzle yet? If so, did you have to make any modifications to the bolt carrier or was it just as simple as taking off the clip on the bolt and swapping the nozzle. Also will you be making a video/ tutorial about any modifications?, thanks
@@minisutart4570 Yes, I've installed the nozzle. However, there are some complications that I was not expecting. So, it will be a while before I determine what resolution I should go with. And, I plan to shoot at least a 1,000 rounds through it, to make sure that there is no abnormal wear.
Specifically, there are 2 big issues that I had to resolve:
1. The nozzle lock was too big, and had to be shaved down. I used a combination of files and Dremel for this.
2. The GHK nozzle is shorter. Originally, I just used a screw driver to get the return spring through the hole, and lock it down. That part wasn't too bad. However, instead of the bolt carrier hitting the top of the nozzle, it hits the bottom. This is creating wear on the nozzle, which I fear will develop into a large issue if left unchecked.
I saw a user who mentioned cutting a slot to allow the nozzle to move further back into the bolt carrier, but that would probably affect range and accuracy, since it wouldn't go as far into the hop unit.
TLDR I have tried installing it, I've come across a few issues. I will publish a video walking through my changes, but it may be a few weeks before that. I want to make sure that my modifications work and won't cause damage within 1,000 rounds.
hello sir! I have a question for you could you please make a video about the guns hop up chaber unit - dissasemble and assemble ? pretty please I am lost and the manufacturer does not have one thanks alot ahead ! :)
Hello! I have a disassembly video for the GHK m4, which is a clone of the Western Arms system. I believe that should be able to guide you through to the hop up.
Of course, as it is a clone there will be a few differences, but they should be minimal. I'll try to cover the two main differences that I can remember.
1. If you have the plastic version, the silver gas tube cannot be pushed into the receiver. So, you will unfortunately have to loosen the front sight. This is relatively simple, with just a few pins and a grub screw. Then, just push it away from the receiver until there is enough space to pull out the gas tube
2. When you remove the hop up unit from the body, there is a small spring on top. Just be careful not to lose that, as it likes to pop out.
Hope this helps! If you have any more questions, feel free to ask away! 🙂
@@thatgbbguy thank you so much for the quick answer as I have checked sadly I cant post a picture here but here is a link for the unit that look exacly the same like the one I have in my MC6595M Gas Blow-Back Rifle - Black [Golden Eagle] :)) thank you so much for help since there is literaly 0 nada info on the internet about the right assambly of this unit
not sure if you have this tho :(
and not sure if its some kind of a new unit or a very old one thank for the infooo :)
@@Twoflowersx happy to help. I don't see a link. But, if you would like to send a picture, try it on my Discord server. Link on my about page.
It going to last forever and that's that 👍🎯
I can't for the life of me find a video on how to adjust the hop up please somebody help
Remove the hand guards. On the bottom of the barrel, there is a wheel. That is the hop up adjustment.
put a daytona kit in there
Lol, that'd be great. I've actually always dreamed of making a sleeper gun.
Hey any update on it? Has it been performing okay? How many rounds have you put through it so far?
Yeah, it was performing very well. I've shot over 1,500 rounds through it (about 45 mags worth), and it was still kicking strong. No signs of cracking, that I've seen.
Unfortunately, I have been trying to convert it to GHK parts, and that has put it out of commission, for now. The GHK hop up went in very easily. But, when I tried to convert the bcg to take a GHK nozzle, I must have accidentally damaged it. So, until I can get a new bcg in there, it's down.
Still though, if I hadn't messed with it, I'd guess it'd still be up and working great.
@@thatgbbguy have you tried using GHK's FCG in it? Im curious about parts compatibility within the FCG excluding the valve knocker assembly & bolt catch. VFC steel hammer & sear is pretty cheap so i've been wondering if it will fit.
Edit: Ive seen a video here on youtube about a guy from thailand who cut a bit of material from a VFC M4 BCG and fitted it into his GE. Looks to be a good side project
@@Jerv165 I have not tried any GHK FCG parts, as I want see how long the original will last.
Yep, that's exactly the same procedure for GHK BCG. I have considered trying the GHK one, but it's so expensive compared to the cost of the gun, that I didn't really want to go down that route. I may do it anyway, as I really don't see the GHK nozzle working very well in the GE BCG, due to multiple factors.
I have the same one but I’m trying to upgrade from the clamshell hand-guard into something else, what parts would I need?
It would depend on the hand guard. You shouldn't need to change anything beyond what comes with the handguard. Although, I do not know if it is compatible with RS handguards out of the box though, unfortunately.
Also, I'd probably lean towards getting handguards designed for the GHK/WA/VFC platforms. AEG handguards are usually dimensionally different, but can sometimes be modified to fit.
@@thatgbbguythe Dremel Gahnsmif lives in both every real and airsoft gun owner
what other magazines are compatible🤔
I have the emg mk18, I believe its pretty much the same, WA system. Is it possible to switch to a ghk hopup and barrel if I use the WA nozzle? I also just bought the Golden eagle aeg hop chamber that allows it to take aeg barrels in the gbbr. Would this be an improvement over the WA hop up if it is inherently flawed like you say?
To my knowledge, it can take GHK hopups. I plan to try installing one in the next few months. I'll let you know when I do. From what I've been told online, you do need a GHK nozzle. But, I'll also confirm that when I upgrade the hopup.
As for the golden eagle hopup, their new ones supposedly have a clone of the new GHK hopup. So I'm assuming that this is what you're talking about. And, in that case it should be pretty good.
I also have an emg mk18 and bought the Golden Eagle aeg CNC hop chamber. Do you know how to assemble the chamber cause i can't find a video on it.
Have you ever tried to pit a tnt hopup unit in the gun? Would it work and do you think it would greatly increase the accuracy of the gun?
I have not. However, I just installed one of the "improved" GHK hop ups, and it worked with some minor modifications. I'm currently working on a video about it, but I've run into some complications with the GHK nozzle, that I'm currently testing. But that video should come out in a few weeks. It just depends on how well my testing does.
Now, about how effective the upgrade would be, depends on which hop up your specific replica has. I was extremely unlucky, that I received one with a WA hop unit. Those were replaced with a better unit later, but there is a little old stock around.
@@thatgbbguy When you tested the GHK hop up, were you able to hit consistent and stable shots at 60m? also, does the hopup work without using a ghk nozzle, would the stock WA spec nozzle work?, thanks
@@minisutart4570 Yes, as far as I can tell, the hop up unit is compatible with both nozzles. As of right now, I do not necessarily recommend the "improved" GHK hop up unit, as it appears to have trouble lifting even .25g BBs. I will probably try installing a Maple Leaf VSR bucking at some point. I have a TNT hop up in my GHK m4, which I've been pretty happy with. I would try that in the GE, except that you have to make permanent modifications to the hop up unit itself.
Accuracy wise, I am pretty happy. I installed a ML crazy jet barrel, and was able to get pretty good results with both nozzles (excluding the lift issue) at 60m. Although, I have yet to actually do a proper test. It has been rain and wind here for days.
One last thing I want to mention, and your mileage may vary. I found that the metal feed lips on my GE magazine would tear up the BBs and fill the barrel with white powder. Which, would ruin the accuracy after a few rounds. To be clear, the accuracy was good up to that point. So, I guess that's something to consider. Maybe since I got a worse hop up, I also got a worse magazine? No idea.
I was wondering If you could give me the step-by-step for how you modified the GHK hopup to fit. I just bought and received my tnt hopup and I am having lots of problems trying to fit it into the hopup chamber. Also would a ghk hopup chamber work with the stock WA nozzle and receiver? Thanks@@thatgbbguy
@@minisutart4570 Absolutely! Basically, I just had to remove one of the wings ( I forget which side ) and slightly reduce the size of the other side, until it didn't feel too tight. If I remember correctly, that's all that's needed. I've actually been wondering about that GHK hopup chamber myself. I have no idea at this point. If you try it, let me know.
There have been a lot of complications with the GHK nozzle, so I'll probably stick with the GE one until I've been able to do some long-term testing.
Also, I can provide some pictures and maybe even video of my modifications on my Discord channel, if you're interested. I have been recording my modifications for a future video, so I might be able to share some of those. My invite link is on my about page.
Hey I got one of these around January of 2023, and for months it hasn’t been working right. Every time I put the mag in with fresh gas it won’t fire any BB’s. It will chamber but all I get is a click. I’ve opened it up and tried to troubleshoot countless times, do you have any solutions?
So I’m struggling figuring out how to fill the gas in appropriately. It normally sprays out and I lose a lot. What am I doing wrong?
Is it coming out of the input valve area as you fill it? If so, then it is most likely due to a missing input valve o-ring. I like to buy my o-rings from amazon in bulk, as it is much cheaper than buying airsoft specific ones. I have a link to the ones I use, in the description of my "Five Reasons That Your GBB Can't Mag Dump" video. Hope that helps 😀
@@thatgbbguy it’s like it’s not going on. Like it’s clogged or I’m not lining it up correctly. When I spray it it just erupts out of the valve and freezes my hand lol
Yeah, unless I'm misunderstanding, that sounds like a missing o-ring. It's easy to check. It goes around the skinny part of the input valve, and is visible without any disassembly
@@thatgbbguy thank you. I’ll see if I can fix it I appreciate your time man!
I had trouble getting the gas to go in mine too, I checked to see if the o ring was in place - it was. Next, I pushed down on the round silver thing at the top of the mag, this caused the small cylindrical pin near it on the side to push out, then the gas went in fine.
What bucking do you recommend for this replica?
It depends on which hop up you are using. Since mine came with the WA bucking, I had to replace the whole unit to use standardized buckings and barrels. Right now, I'm using the Maple Leaf unit with (I believe) a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet Hot Shot blue bucking.
@@thatgbbguyHave you had any problems with the fps? I've heard that with the Maple leaf unit you lose fps
@@thatgbbguy I've bought maple leaf hop up with crazy jet barrel too, will it fit right in without modifications with stock golden eagle internals?
@@samuelhirammartinezbaldera7989 Now that's interesting, I was not aware of the Maple Leaf hop up doing anything like that. I have been having issues with the gun shooting. However, I do not currently believe that it is the fault of the hop unit.
While trying to modify the bolt carrier to fit a GHK nozzle, I think I may have ruined it. I need to either get a new GE one, or modify a GHK bolt. That's a project I plan to take on when the weather warms up a bit.
@@kajtolak The ML hop up unit was pretty simple to install. I just had to take a file to the side wings, and it fit right it. Just make sure that you file a little and try the fit often. You don't want it to be so loose that it moves around.
Does this work with WE m4 mags?
Nope, each of them work on completely different systems
@@thatgbbguy do you know any co2 mags that would work
For the winter
Not off the top of my head, but you could try mapp gas. It's higher pressure than green gas, so it works well in winter. It comes in a yellow bottle.
@@thatgbbguy Thanks for the help
Do you think it'll work with VFC mags?
If I remember correctly, the VFC m4s work with GHK mags. You just have to change out the valve knocker. So, I would expect that it would work. Unfortunately, I do not know for sure.
NO!! These use the TRUE ORIGINAL WA Gas System and Magazines!! I have also have the full length rifle M4 with Lite Weight K-Mod Forearm and have tried others. The JG/GE made Mags are the only reliable ones and surprise, THEY DON'T LEAK!! MY EXPERIENCE has been GHK's Mags LEAK quickly! I'll NEVER buy a GHK!
To each their own, but I have had pretty good experiences with the GHK mags. I currently have 15 m4 mags, 7 of which are the version 1, while the rest are version 2. None of them leak currently. When they do, a quick oil is all it takes to fix them.
With this replica, the GHK mags work fine in full auto and in semi auto. But the gas routers are slightly different, so I'm definitely going to switch out the nozzle.
However, as of 2020, GHK has been having serious QA issues. So keep that in mind.
Just figured I should mention this, to be fair to GHK.
To add on here, I have heard good things about the JG/GE mags too, but I'm too deep in to change now 😆
@@vintageguitarz1 i only asked since i dont want to shell out tons of cash for WA magazines when i already have 5 VMAGs. Since they look the same except for the roller, i thought that it might work since the VFC system is derived from the original WA design. And also, explosive enterprise made the VFC mags work on his Vipertech rifles which are also based on the WA system ( im not sure what other changes there are but from what i have gathered, the VTs have the correct receiver length and have a longer bolt). Id much rather buy a GE rifle & modify the magwell to fit VFC mags than investing more cash on mags.
what aftermarket parts are compatible with this?
Western Arms. GHK and VFC are clones of the WA system and will require modifications to work.
@@thatgbbguy thanks for the info
What gas do you use?
Propane
How do I use this fuckin thing I’ve never airsofted before and when I go to put the gas in the mag it just comes out
Are you able to tell where the gas is coming out? If it is coming out of the fill valve while you are filling it, you probably need an input valve o-ring. I got mine off of Amazon, and I can send that link. If it's coming out somewhere else, we'll need to do a bit more diagnosis.
@@thatgbbguy it comes out of the top where it’s supposed to go into the gun
On the top of the mag
@@Brysonxr201 Here are Samoon's instructions for oiling the output valve. The link on their page leads to a video demonstration: samoon.com.tw/lubricate-output-valve. Make sure that you don't put too much gas in the mag before releasing it, as the release can cause damage. Personally, i would recommend letting the mag sit a little while before releasing the gas, to give it some time to work the oil. Maybe 10-15 minutes. If it still leaks after that, maybe wait an hour and try again. If it still leaks after a couple tries, you will need to check that the o-rings are not damaged and that everything is screwed in properly. I can go into detail on that if needed. Hope this helps!
@@Brysonxr201 make sure that you release that oil as shown, or it will get into the barrel and reduce accuracy.
GHK and WA (matrix) are 2 COMPLETLY different designs .. you should be comparing it to a WA mag
Firstly, I don't have any WA mags (nor do I have the interest in buying any), so I couldn't compare them anyway.
But even so, what would be the point of that? From the beginning , my intention has been to modify this replica to use GHK compatible parts. Whether that is a good idea or not, you can have your own opinion. I'm already invested in the GHK ecosystem.
My original research implied that it was as easy as minor modifications to the bolt carrier, and replacing the nozzle. After trying that, it doesn't look like it'll be that simple.
Besides, GHK (and VFC) are clones of the WA system. So they are very similar, and direct competitors. And yes, I know there are differences between the brands.
Hope this clears up your concerns 🙂
@@thatgbbguy this video is stupid ... you are comparing apples to cars ... HAHA
I love too destroy things with airsoft guns
What's your favorite kind of target?
@@thatgbbguy boxes, glassbottles , my new steeltargets . Everything what looks interesting by the impact😌