Yeah I’ve seen a few people not click with it on social media. I honestly thought this was better than last week tbh and it gave terrifying vibes and incredible performances
I went into it with no expectations and I was blown away. I can see being disappointed if you were expecting or looking for something akin to Day of the Doctor, but for some reason I approached this like a regular episode and that was the right thing to do.
there were elements of "don't think" in Time Heist with the Teller as well, which if I had a penny for every Doctor Who episode where the concept of "don't think" resulted in grotesque body horror elements, I'd have two pennies - which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
After the Doctor was surprised over being sentimental last episode, and now surprised that he's a bit keen, I love how Donna points out how not subtle the Doctor was even before. Like Doctor you're not as guarded as you think you are.
What a wild episode, most bizarrely un-Doctor Who ish episode since the likes of Midnight and Flatline. I’m not ready for next week though, not ready for it at all! I barely survived emotionally thirteen years ago when he regenerated, I was 11 years old, I had known him for half of my life watching him on TV every week, next week might just kill me…or I’ll need serious fandom counselling! 😂🥺😭
Honestly, when the 70th anniversary comes around, Tennant will be 62. If nothing happens, he COULD come back. Maybe not quite as energetic, but still… It’s not impossible!
I honestly think that as much as they keep asking him if he wants to, David will ALWAYS be available and able to come back for one more run. No matter how old he gets, I'm pretty sure he would be willing to do it in one way or another. They did it before, they certainly can make it work again somehow. Like Liam said, there's always timey-wimey explanations they could throw on us and I'm more than willing to accept them without questions if it means we get more David Tennant as the Doctor xD
Half expecting the shapeshifters to cameo as an evil Doctor or companion, but bringing up Timeless Child, Flux, the Donna mixup, and the old soldier is enough for me 💙💙😁
The thing I probably love the most about this episode that's outside the episode itself, is the fact that every person gets a different feeling of it. Generally we all have some sort of agreement about whether an episode is good, mid or just bad (again, as a general consensus). And that's not the case with this one. I really enjoy the controversial ones, the ones that get to divide people, some will love it, some will hate it, some won't know what to think of it, some will get confused, some will get disappointed, some will think is a mastepiece. You get the idea. I'm on the first group, I bloody loved this episode, it got me on the edge of my seat the entire time, my jaw on the floor, I gasped, I screamed, I laughed out loud, I cried, I panicked, I suffered, I doubted, I felt all fussy and warm inside, I hated, I liked, I wondered, I mean... It was a rollercoaster. Certainly I have to rewatch it a couple of times and let it cool for some time so I can really get my hype down and try to be more objective. But I honestly think this episode is on the same level of mindfuckery as Midnight, Heaven Sent and even The Waters of Mars. I'm so glad RTD is back on the driving seat, this feels like proper Doctor Who and I know these 3 episodes are meant to be a reminiscence of the old 1-4 seasons era, but I'm completely possitive that he will do wonders with the next season and explore new territories with Ncuti. I can't wait to see it, but at the same time, I'm not ready to say goodbye to Fourteen. He's grown on me so much, I think I like him even more than Ten, which is and always was my favorite. If anything, he feels like the mature, more emotional, more opened and humble version of Ten, and I can't just let him go again...
Man, what a fantastic episode! Doctor Who is clearly going back to its roots with Russell, even the CGI, even the cheesier CGI made me feel 'at home,' if you know what I mean... It had a bit of a Midnight vibe, terrifying with that constant feeling of helplessness... The scene with Donna being left behind hurt my heart! Speaking of the heart, seeing Wilfred so affectionate and cute waiting for Donna, and that look towards the Doctor, MY GOD! I cried buckets!!
There are those upset at the episode because of the actor playing Isaac Newton. I knew that would trigger them. This was reminiscent of Event Horizon, the Midnight episode, Red Dwarf Legion episode and The Thing. Great acting. 14 is more menacing than 12.
Regarding the Master coming back with a Doctor's face, many years ago Tom Baker suggested he could appear as the Master. He said it would be fun if the villain found a way to regenerate with a familiar face to make himself more disturbing to the hero.
I never found that admission and Tom could do well. I am a bit more familiar with Matt after (regrettably seeing Morbius) but also House of the Dragon and Matt would nail it as the Master. He even showed some darkness in his Doctor.
Very freaky episode, them bending there bodies and having long mouths/arms is literally a living nightmare for me. I just find it terrifying. Truly broke my heart seeing Wilf one final time and I am beyond grateful we at least got that one scene. ❤
But like didn’t Donna say that she had access but didn’t look? Because it was like looking into a furnace. Also technically rose wouldn’t have been able to see that either. I’m still cross with this and the doors being smaller than the alien that killed herself cause like how?
I'm trying to find an overlay like the one you were using that's horizontal lines like that. Can you tell me what something like that is called. I tried looking for "lines" but that didn't work
I think it would be cool to see a former Doctor come back as the Master, specifically David Tennant and/or Matt Smith for me personally (maybe Matt Smith more so given how much David Tennant we just got), and perhaps for the 70th special. If that happened, I would love to see an emotional moment of the Doctor talking to someone (perhaps yelling at the Master) about him using (stealing) one of his face's, a face that gave people hope and comfort, but now he was using to trick people and invoke fear. But, while that would be cool and interesting, that would also be weird (and maybe uncomfortable) to see a former Doctor star in the role of the Master. But it's something to think about and play with.
This was a great episode, but now I don't want to see David Tennant go, but I know he has to, and at least we got this to watch. Something I was hoping they'd do was give his 14th Doctor some time off screen, meaning we would find out at some point that this Doctor had been traveling for a few hundred years since regenerating from the 13th Doctor. The 10th Doctor (David Tennant) had just a few years (from 903 to 907 years I think) while Matt Smith's Doctor had much longer (from 907 to 2,000 years). The Doctor just regenerated, and they are about to do it again after a couple of days, it almost feels like a waist of a regeneration. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to see David Tennant back in the role for these specials, I just would have liked if (in universe) his new version of the Doctor had more time traveling. But overall, I am happy to see David Tennant back in the role (as I just said) and I am looking forward to Ncuti Gatwa's performance.
this one was too weird to actually enjoy. I watched failwhale`s reaction, then tried watching that torchwood boy`s reaction, but had to stop when the mimics did the weird hand, jaw thing. its like watching some nightmarish version of alice in wonderland. compare that to the starbeast, which I keep watching different youtuber`s reactions to, cause its really good despite all the conservatives whining about wokeism. I think your reaction is the last one I`ll watch for this episode.
This is an episode of suspense. I mean, if you had David Tennant vs David Tennant in the trailers, it would ruin the element of horror wouldn't it? To say nothing happened would be a bit of a stretch. Like I said, people were optimistic about Matt Smith returning or Frobisher coming into Live Action or the Abzorbaloff making his revenge. It was an isolated horror.
@@scaleofperspective6211 More than that. How exactly do you do a trailer without giving any anything when the whole episode is built on three different twists at once? First facing off creatures from the edge of existence who can be you, second that the events of chibnell's run wouldn't be ignored so maybe a better writer can explore the timeless child in a good way as opposed to chibnell's way, and third if the laws of reality are fragile there what else can be there? Stories set in E Space for example back in the old series might be fodder for new seasons. No one has used E space in decades.
The point being it's so you don't have ANY idea what is going on. People begging for cameos only to be disappointed is their own problem. They wanted us to feel suspense by not letting us know what exactly was happening until it happened. It didn't get leaked either which is really good.
@@scaleofperspective6211 so why not just keep every doctor who episode a secret if thats the case.....they could have promoted this easily with no issues it wasn't special at all/
Bit of a meh episode for me. Too much of a retread of 'Midnight'. Compared to the previous episode and the fact that it's supposed to be a 60th anniversary special it was underwhelming.
This episode was heavily secret, for no reason apart from the fact that if it was teased, people really wouldn’t of been hyped for it. It’s an episode of episodes mashed together resolved by mind power and an explosion. Once the flesh Gangers appeared, It felt too predictable and just reminds me of a S5/S6 episode but with a S13 Budget, always wasted.
They weren't Flesh Gangers. The difference was, there was a repore with Eleven and his Ganger for example. There wasn't that here. When Fake14 said he would like to know Shaun more, it wasn't based on bestie intent. Ganger 11 sacrificed himself for example. These creatures wouldn't do that. It's a shame you feel it was a wasted episode because it wasn't. The idea of this episode was not about hype, was not about shoving Eleven as a twist or anything like that. It was an adventure with The Doctor and Donna in a horror situation where they faced creatures trying to be the perfect imposter. But each to their own
It was secret so you didn't have any idea what was going on. They also weren't flesh Gangers like that either. People hyped themselves up expecting previous Doctor cameos, that's their own fault. The show itself didn't overhype it, they just said it was going to be weird and scary, not RTD's fault people made their own scenarios is it?
@@chazo1367 I didn’t mention no where I was one of the crowd that were expecting a doctor to appear, that was never gonna happen. It’s just the episode itself felt too familiar, reminded me of the rebel flesh and the almost people along with other things we’ve seen previously and storylines. I think if people didn’t have their hype goggles on, they’d see this episode is mediocre at best. Oh well, on to the next one 🤡
@@CXMNMXC What I'm observing right now is two kinds of people: 1. People who like the episode who say that the disappointed ones were expecting too much 2. People who are disappointed and say that the ones who liked it were too hyped up So who was hyped and who wasn't? And if both and/or neither, then what relevance does being hyped up even have?
Having Tenant return without 10th's themes is like listening to music without sound. The episode was great but the soundtracks were generic and boring, hard to believe this is Murray Gold's work, terrible direction.
I actually agree about the music because it just didn't stand out at all, for me. No Vale Decem, no Shepherd's Boy, no This Is Gallifrey... It could have been any composer's, not the great Murray Gold's. Perhaps he's all played out. Hope not, though.
The fact the Celestial Toymaker took 3 minutes out of his plan just to style on UNIT reminds me why i love this wonderful goofy show.
I've seen a couple people calling it underwhelming, but honestly, I think it was perfect. A classic bit of scary and weird! :D
Yeah I’ve seen a few people not click with it on social media. I honestly thought this was better than last week tbh and it gave terrifying vibes and incredible performances
I went into it with no expectations and I was blown away. I can see being disappointed if you were expecting or looking for something akin to Day of the Doctor, but for some reason I approached this like a regular episode and that was the right thing to do.
@@LiamCatterson It reminded me a lot of Midnight and I LOVED THAT.
I agree with you on this! Didn't hate last week's or anything, but this was much better @@LiamCatterson
@LiamCatterson Oh it was a 100 times better than last week's episode
Great episode. Had a lot of maverity to it.
there were elements of "don't think" in Time Heist with the Teller as well, which if I had a penny for every Doctor Who episode where the concept of "don't think" resulted in grotesque body horror elements, I'd have two pennies - which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
The reference is just incredible xDD
This episode felt really Listen and Midnight like, I absolutely loved it!
Yes it is like Midnight and Listen had a baby. I loved it. SO CREEPY
The good thing is the New tardis is wheelchair accessible for Wilf with all those ramps!
Oh yeah for sure. But also, I think this is the last time we'll see Wilf based on Russell's post on IG
@@LiamCattersonI think we'll see him for like 5 seconds in The Giggle but like not too much
I *knew* it was coming and *still* fell to pieces when Wilf showed up 😭❤️
You just know if they ever say gravity in this show again everyone is gonna be like but it should be Mavity and I am here for it
It is always Mavity from here onwards
what do you mean gravity you mean mavity
Toymaker will be a good sport and set it right (or set it right out of annoyance)
Do you think they’re going to fix that one day?
@@goldennugget75 Ruby is going to say: "The Mavity if the situation!" To Newton
After the Doctor was surprised over being sentimental last episode, and now surprised that he's a bit keen, I love how Donna points out how not subtle the Doctor was even before. Like Doctor you're not as guarded as you think you are.
Technically the master DID wear a doctor's face
What a wild episode, most bizarrely un-Doctor Who ish episode since the likes of Midnight and Flatline.
I’m not ready for next week though, not ready for it at all! I barely survived emotionally thirteen years ago when he regenerated, I was 11 years old, I had known him for half of my life watching him on TV every week, next week might just kill me…or I’ll need serious fandom counselling! 😂🥺😭
Thought it was very Dr who unlike last weeks whatever that was
Honestly, when the 70th anniversary comes around, Tennant will be 62. If nothing happens, he COULD come back. Maybe not quite as energetic, but still… It’s not impossible!
Oh no doubt. They have explained it with Five and they can do timey-wimey stuff and no doubt Tennant would LOVE to come back.
I honestly think that as much as they keep asking him if he wants to, David will ALWAYS be available and able to come back for one more run. No matter how old he gets, I'm pretty sure he would be willing to do it in one way or another. They did it before, they certainly can make it work again somehow. Like Liam said, there's always timey-wimey explanations they could throw on us and I'm more than willing to accept them without questions if it means we get more David Tennant as the Doctor xD
Half expecting the shapeshifters to cameo as an evil Doctor or companion, but bringing up Timeless Child, Flux, the Donna mixup, and the old soldier is enough for me 💙💙😁
I CRIED LIKE A BABY when I saw Wilf!!!!!!!
Patrick Troughton came back several times so I say, never say never
The thing I probably love the most about this episode that's outside the episode itself, is the fact that every person gets a different feeling of it. Generally we all have some sort of agreement about whether an episode is good, mid or just bad (again, as a general consensus). And that's not the case with this one. I really enjoy the controversial ones, the ones that get to divide people, some will love it, some will hate it, some won't know what to think of it, some will get confused, some will get disappointed, some will think is a mastepiece. You get the idea. I'm on the first group, I bloody loved this episode, it got me on the edge of my seat the entire time, my jaw on the floor, I gasped, I screamed, I laughed out loud, I cried, I panicked, I suffered, I doubted, I felt all fussy and warm inside, I hated, I liked, I wondered, I mean... It was a rollercoaster. Certainly I have to rewatch it a couple of times and let it cool for some time so I can really get my hype down and try to be more objective. But I honestly think this episode is on the same level of mindfuckery as Midnight, Heaven Sent and even The Waters of Mars. I'm so glad RTD is back on the driving seat, this feels like proper Doctor Who and I know these 3 episodes are meant to be a reminiscence of the old 1-4 seasons era, but I'm completely possitive that he will do wonders with the next season and explore new territories with Ncuti. I can't wait to see it, but at the same time, I'm not ready to say goodbye to Fourteen. He's grown on me so much, I think I like him even more than Ten, which is and always was my favorite. If anything, he feels like the mature, more emotional, more opened and humble version of Ten, and I can't just let him go again...
Was light years ahead of last weeks show, 2 actors all the way through was brilliant
Great episode perfect to be a lead in to next week.
Man, what a fantastic episode! Doctor Who is clearly going back to its roots with Russell, even the CGI, even the cheesier CGI made me feel 'at home,' if you know what I mean... It had a bit of a Midnight vibe, terrifying with that constant feeling of helplessness... The scene with Donna being left behind hurt my heart! Speaking of the heart, seeing Wilfred so affectionate and cute waiting for Donna, and that look towards the Doctor, MY GOD! I cried buckets!!
Same. Also, yet it definitely gave Midnight vibes!
There are those upset at the episode because of the actor playing Isaac Newton. I knew that would trigger them. This was reminiscent of Event Horizon, the Midnight episode, Red Dwarf Legion episode and The Thing. Great acting. 14 is more menacing than 12.
Regarding the Master coming back with a Doctor's face, many years ago Tom Baker suggested he could appear as the Master. He said it would be fun if the villain found a way to regenerate with a familiar face to make himself more disturbing to the hero.
I never found that admission and Tom could do well. I am a bit more familiar with Matt after (regrettably seeing Morbius) but also House of the Dragon and Matt would nail it as the Master. He even showed some darkness in his Doctor.
Tom also suggested a female dr would be good as well - look what happened there
I thought it was weirdly clever. Seeing Wilf 😢💙
Very freaky episode, them bending there bodies and having long mouths/arms is literally a living nightmare for me. I just find it terrifying.
Truly broke my heart seeing Wilf one final time and I am beyond grateful we at least got that one scene. ❤
This episode felt like midnight all over again but 100 times better
I really enjoyed this episode! The body horror got pretty scary at times! Also, absolutely love the sweatshirt! Go Ducks!
A real creepy episode, and at least they addressed the dog like toy that Rose made! The fandom thought it was a continuity blooper!
how did they address it?
With Donna having memories of the timeless child arc I guess
@@scaleofperspective6211 OOOHH
And, of course, the flux as well
But like didn’t Donna say that she had access but didn’t look? Because it was like looking into a furnace. Also technically rose wouldn’t have been able to see that either. I’m still cross with this and the doors being smaller than the alien that killed herself cause like how?
David and Catherine with the flawless acting and chemistry throughout. Just OMG.
The fact that it couldn’t get the arms right at first proves that the real enemy was AI art.
Don't Think was also done in Time Heist.
I dont know if its just me, but diddnt any notice the very subtule sound of the masters drum beats in certain parts?
Weird-Creepy Episode, LOVED IT.
And 14 is an ass, that Joke with the lick :P
I'm trying to find an overlay like the one you were using that's horizontal lines like that. Can you tell me what something like that is called. I tried looking for "lines" but that didn't work
I think it would be cool to see a former Doctor come back as the Master, specifically David Tennant and/or Matt Smith for me personally (maybe Matt Smith more so given how much David Tennant we just got), and perhaps for the 70th special. If that happened, I would love to see an emotional moment of the Doctor talking to someone (perhaps yelling at the Master) about him using (stealing) one of his face's, a face that gave people hope and comfort, but now he was using to trick people and invoke fear. But, while that would be cool and interesting, that would also be weird (and maybe uncomfortable) to see a former Doctor star in the role of the Master. But it's something to think about and play with.
This was a great episode, but now I don't want to see David Tennant go, but I know he has to, and at least we got this to watch. Something I was hoping they'd do was give his 14th Doctor some time off screen, meaning we would find out at some point that this Doctor had been traveling for a few hundred years since regenerating from the 13th Doctor. The 10th Doctor (David Tennant) had just a few years (from 903 to 907 years I think) while Matt Smith's Doctor had much longer (from 907 to 2,000 years). The Doctor just regenerated, and they are about to do it again after a couple of days, it almost feels like a waist of a regeneration. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to see David Tennant back in the role for these specials, I just would have liked if (in universe) his new version of the Doctor had more time traveling. But overall, I am happy to see David Tennant back in the role (as I just said) and I am looking forward to Ncuti Gatwa's performance.
they willl getit tomake sense number three
I don't want david to go... :( I'm actually invested in Doctor who again
I think the lack of trailer footage definitely made the episode seem like it would be more epic. I assumed there would be at least something revealed.
this one was too weird to actually enjoy. I watched failwhale`s reaction, then tried watching that torchwood boy`s reaction, but had to stop when the mimics did the weird hand, jaw thing. its like watching some nightmarish version of alice in wonderland. compare that to the starbeast, which I keep watching different youtuber`s reactions to, cause its really good despite all the conservatives whining about wokeism. I think your reaction is the last one I`ll watch for this episode.
And they tried to keep this episode a secret.....Why? nothing happened.
This is an episode of suspense. I mean, if you had David Tennant vs David Tennant in the trailers, it would ruin the element of horror wouldn't it? To say nothing happened would be a bit of a stretch. Like I said, people were optimistic about Matt Smith returning or Frobisher coming into Live Action or the Abzorbaloff making his revenge. It was an isolated horror.
The story hits a lot harder if you don't know what to expect
@@scaleofperspective6211 More than that. How exactly do you do a trailer without giving any anything when the whole episode is built on three different twists at once? First facing off creatures from the edge of existence who can be you, second that the events of chibnell's run wouldn't be ignored so maybe a better writer can explore the timeless child in a good way as opposed to chibnell's way, and third if the laws of reality are fragile there what else can be there? Stories set in E Space for example back in the old series might be fodder for new seasons. No one has used E space in decades.
The point being it's so you don't have ANY idea what is going on. People begging for cameos only to be disappointed is their own problem. They wanted us to feel suspense by not letting us know what exactly was happening until it happened. It didn't get leaked either which is really good.
@@scaleofperspective6211 so why not just keep every doctor who episode a secret if thats the case.....they could have promoted this easily with no issues it wasn't special at all/
Bit of a meh episode for me.
Too much of a retread of 'Midnight'. Compared to the previous episode and the fact that it's supposed to be a 60th anniversary special it was underwhelming.
It’s a mix of Scherzo and Midnight and that’s okay, Dalek is a blatant redesign of Jubilee
This episode was heavily secret, for no reason apart from the fact that if it was teased, people really wouldn’t of been hyped for it. It’s an episode of episodes mashed together resolved by mind power and an explosion. Once the flesh Gangers appeared, It felt too predictable and just reminds me of a S5/S6 episode but with a S13 Budget, always wasted.
They weren't Flesh Gangers. The difference was, there was a repore with Eleven and his Ganger for example. There wasn't that here. When Fake14 said he would like to know Shaun more, it wasn't based on bestie intent. Ganger 11 sacrificed himself for example. These creatures wouldn't do that.
It's a shame you feel it was a wasted episode because it wasn't. The idea of this episode was not about hype, was not about shoving Eleven as a twist or anything like that. It was an adventure with The Doctor and Donna in a horror situation where they faced creatures trying to be the perfect imposter. But each to their own
Sorry you feel this way, expectations can really make anything disappointing
By the way, why are you calling them flesh gangers? They aren't flesh
It was secret so you didn't have any idea what was going on. They also weren't flesh Gangers like that either. People hyped themselves up expecting previous Doctor cameos, that's their own fault. The show itself didn't overhype it, they just said it was going to be weird and scary, not RTD's fault people made their own scenarios is it?
@@chazo1367 I didn’t mention no where I was one of the crowd that were expecting a doctor to appear, that was never gonna happen. It’s just the episode itself felt too familiar, reminded me of the rebel flesh and the almost people along with other things we’ve seen previously and storylines. I think if people didn’t have their hype goggles on, they’d see this episode is mediocre at best. Oh well, on to the next one 🤡
@@CXMNMXC What I'm observing right now is two kinds of people:
1. People who like the episode who say that the disappointed ones were expecting too much
2. People who are disappointed and say that the ones who liked it were too hyped up
So who was hyped and who wasn't? And if both and/or neither, then what relevance does being hyped up even have?
Having Tenant return without 10th's themes is like listening to music without sound. The episode was great but the soundtracks were generic and boring, hard to believe this is Murray Gold's work, terrible direction.
I actually agree about the music because it just didn't stand out at all, for me. No Vale Decem, no Shepherd's Boy, no This Is Gallifrey... It could have been any composer's, not the great Murray Gold's. Perhaps he's all played out. Hope not, though.