I think if people want to start from standing then by all means, but I'm in the gym to focus on techniques. Maybe if i have a comp coming up then sure lets do some competition rounds starting from the feet. But till then i'll be waiting patiently for them to come to me. If i trust the rolling partner not so be super explosive then i'm happy to start from standing too though. Then its still focused on technique rather than ego. I'm here for me and for the long haul, it just doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Sometimes peace is just letting people be wrong about you. This was nice to see George's progression from his first roll too. Always inspiring to see how others have improved, you can tell he respects and looks up to you. Great stuff as always sir.
Other than playing football in high school, I've never done anything where I'm taken down from an upright position. For many years I was massively overweight with knee and back pain. Falling or being taken to the ground as an older man, was the last thing I wanted. Now that I am 80lbs lighter and way healthier I don't mind being taken down. Especially as I am slowly learning how to fall. My preference is to start on the ground. Our school starts on our knees which I think is silly but what do I know. I'm still a new, old guy.
Starting from standing super crucial if you want to have self defense in my opinion. A good take down guy can pass your guard from standing by a numerous variety of takedowns. There by in effect completely shutting down the guard in short fashion. I’m all about training as safe as possible and understand the mind set you have due to your past injuries. And using training as a conditioning tool is super valid. That’s awesome and I get that your focus is sport not reality combat. Before you fast forward next time go review Michael Pixley and Meragalli ADCC match this is a great example of why understanding how to deal with a good take guy is crucial
I started from standing for years Blake. I haven't been injured in 6 years. Think about it ALL my worst injuries were between the ages of 36-42. I trained striking for decades. I also had my share of fights. I also taught my own class that combined Wing Chun, Kickboxing, Shaolin stretching and BJJ. Each section was 30 minutes. That being said you don't have to have Michael Pixley's level of wrestling to take down the untrained. I have always been a huge fan and his victory didn't surprise me. I've rolled with famous BJJ guys and it still took them some time to finally get me down. So I think I'm good. No need to go and practice against a resisting partner everyday. That is a huge risk of injury and I stand behind my philosophy. Also as far as self defense just get yourself a can of pepper spray or a gun. As I stated in the video. I just wish you would have addressed my points instead of just the same old argument. Not to be nasty but you thought I never heard that before?! lol. Lord. Either way thanks for tuning in. I appreciate it sir.
@@Jitsover50 I get where you’re coming from. I thought I clearly stated as such. Just so you have some context about me I teach 3-4 days a week various arts and have been training BJJ since 1995 (started under Carlos Machado) I’m 51 years old. Like all us I’ve had my fare share of injuries and luckily haven’t been injured in many years. My mindset around training is not always thinking of that self defense aspect however I do like to always have it in my mind. I think what you’re doing is great with videos and enjoy watching. I don’t agree with you completely around the pepper spray and gun philosophy. Lots of variables in the self defense department so to speak. The point I was trying to make is that I do believe takedowns can be trained relatively safely. And that personally I think it’s a good idea and an important element in sport and also in self defense. I’m not saying you need it personally amigo.
@@blakeshores5141 I have takedowns. I’m saying I don’t need to wrestling much younger guys to the ground everyday to be effective in the street. How can a gun or pepper spray be denied for self defense?
Firas Zahabi once said that the Russians have generally had better wrestlers than the U.S. (an American prodigy here and there withstanding) because of how much they flow roll while we tend to overemphasize high intensity sparring. Their method allows them to focus on the finer details of their technique and yields a greater volume of training over time (less days off required). Food for thought for approaches to takedowns and training in general.
Judging from the boos from the audience when Levi immediately went to a butt-scooting guard in CJI, I think it's universal in the bjj community that this is not a good evolution of the sport. Kade even mocked Levi which was received with cheers. Yes, it's effective within a ruleset, but it's not what people want to see nor is it something that one would expect from a martial art that's supposed to be rooted in self-defense. In real life, a swift kick to the head while butt-scooting will instantly nullify that. I get it: some of us are injured or are old and can't do all the takedowns. That's fine, but we must emphasize the importance of the standup game. At my school, takedowns are heavily emphasized, and, even as someone in his mid 40s, I rarely pull guard. I subscribe to what the Ruotolos said: take down, pass, and submit. If you can't take someone down - and even against a novice it would be incredibly difficult in real life - you can't work your ground game. Bjj should be a complete martial art, and we shouldn't end up like judo where it only emphasizes one aspect (i.e., judo for the standup and bjj for the ground).
Takedowns are part of Jiu-Jitsu as much as submissions. BJJ is about 2 steps, takedowns, and then dominant position and then submission or control. It is everyone’s own choice, of how to start the rounds, however you’re wrong to say that takedowns are not part of BJJ and that it starts on the ground. That’s wrong. The primary strategy is to take your opponent to the ground and then submit him. That’s even how John Danaher defines BJJ for people who don’t know it. It’s also the history of BJJ, with the early MMA fight and the Gracie family. That being said, again it only makes sense for you not to do too much standing, as it is too much risk of injury. That I understand completely.
I think if people want to start from standing then by all means, but I'm in the gym to focus on techniques. Maybe if i have a comp coming up then sure lets do some competition rounds starting from the feet. But till then i'll be waiting patiently for them to come to me. If i trust the rolling partner not so be super explosive then i'm happy to start from standing too though. Then its still focused on technique rather than ego. I'm here for me and for the long haul, it just doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Sometimes peace is just letting people be wrong about you. This was nice to see George's progression from his first roll too. Always inspiring to see how others have improved, you can tell he respects and looks up to you. Great stuff as always sir.
Other than playing football in high school, I've never done anything where I'm taken down from an upright position. For many years I was massively overweight with knee and back pain. Falling or being taken to the ground as an older man, was the last thing I wanted. Now that I am 80lbs lighter and way healthier I don't mind being taken down. Especially as I am slowly learning how to fall.
My preference is to start on the ground. Our school starts on our knees which I think is silly but what do I know. I'm still a new, old guy.
Starting from standing super crucial if you want to have self defense in my opinion. A good take down guy can pass your guard from standing by a numerous variety of takedowns. There by in effect completely shutting down the guard in short fashion. I’m all about training as safe as possible and understand the mind set you have due to your past injuries. And using training as a conditioning tool is super valid. That’s awesome and I get that your focus is sport not reality combat. Before you fast forward next time go review Michael Pixley and Meragalli ADCC match this is a great example of why understanding how to deal with a good take guy is crucial
I started from standing for years Blake. I haven't been injured in 6 years. Think about it ALL my worst injuries were between the ages of 36-42. I trained striking for decades. I also had my share of fights. I also taught my own class that combined Wing Chun, Kickboxing, Shaolin stretching and BJJ. Each section was 30 minutes. That being said you don't have to have Michael Pixley's level of wrestling to take down the untrained. I have always been a huge fan and his victory didn't surprise me. I've rolled with famous BJJ guys and it still took them some time to finally get me down. So I think I'm good. No need to go and practice against a resisting partner everyday. That is a huge risk of injury and I stand behind my philosophy. Also as far as self defense just get yourself a can of pepper spray or a gun. As I stated in the video. I just wish you would have addressed my points instead of just the same old argument. Not to be nasty but you thought I never heard that before?! lol. Lord. Either way thanks for tuning in. I appreciate it sir.
@@Jitsover50 I get where you’re coming from. I thought I clearly stated as such. Just so you have some context about me I teach 3-4 days a week various arts and have been training BJJ since 1995 (started under Carlos Machado) I’m 51 years old. Like all us I’ve had my fare share of injuries and luckily haven’t been injured in many years. My mindset around training is not always thinking of that self defense aspect however I do like to always have it in my mind. I think what you’re doing is great with videos and enjoy watching. I don’t agree with you completely around the pepper spray and gun philosophy. Lots of variables in the self defense department so to speak. The point I was trying to make is that I do believe takedowns can be trained relatively safely. And that personally I think it’s a good idea and an important element in sport and also in self defense. I’m not saying you need it personally amigo.
@@blakeshores5141 I have takedowns. I’m saying I don’t need to wrestling much younger guys to the ground everyday to be effective in the street. How can a gun or pepper spray be denied for self defense?
Firas Zahabi once said that the Russians have generally had better wrestlers than the U.S. (an American prodigy here and there withstanding) because of how much they flow roll while we tend to overemphasize high intensity sparring. Their method allows them to focus on the finer details of their technique and yields a greater volume of training over time (less days off required). Food for thought for approaches to takedowns and training in general.
@@jims512 yes I’m familiar with his thoughts in that! I’m a big fan of Firas!
I've been hitting that same weird side arm triangle choke recently as well!
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Nice roll.
Thank you!
I tore my quad fully doing take downs and had to take 5 months off. I’d rather just hit the mat and go from there.
Half my injuries came from take downs. They usually happened rather quickly as well.
I’m the George in the video. I broke my foot 4 months ago doing takedowns lol
@@BlackStalyon 3 minutes after the round began. Haha.
@@Jitsover50 not even lol
I like your x guard on his foot.
@@danielmccarthy9065 thank you sir. It prevents him from coming down the middle and forces an outside pass.
I just got winded rewatching my own roll hahaha
Judging from the boos from the audience when Levi immediately went to a butt-scooting guard in CJI, I think it's universal in the bjj community that this is not a good evolution of the sport. Kade even mocked Levi which was received with cheers. Yes, it's effective within a ruleset, but it's not what people want to see nor is it something that one would expect from a martial art that's supposed to be rooted in self-defense. In real life, a swift kick to the head while butt-scooting will instantly nullify that. I get it: some of us are injured or are old and can't do all the takedowns. That's fine, but we must emphasize the importance of the standup game. At my school, takedowns are heavily emphasized, and, even as someone in his mid 40s, I rarely pull guard. I subscribe to what the Ruotolos said: take down, pass, and submit. If you can't take someone down - and even against a novice it would be incredibly difficult in real life - you can't work your ground game. Bjj should be a complete martial art, and we shouldn't end up like judo where it only emphasizes one aspect (i.e., judo for the standup and bjj for the ground).
I have been training stand up striking for 26 years. So I'm good. :)
But yes people who never trained striking should have some take downs for sure.
Takedowns are part of Jiu-Jitsu as much as submissions. BJJ is about 2 steps, takedowns, and then dominant position and then submission or control.
It is everyone’s own choice, of how to start the rounds, however you’re wrong to say that takedowns are not part of BJJ and that it starts on the ground. That’s wrong. The primary strategy is to take your opponent to the ground and then submit him. That’s even how John Danaher defines BJJ for people who don’t know it. It’s also the history of BJJ, with the early MMA fight and the Gracie family.
That being said, again it only makes sense for you not to do too much standing, as it is too much risk of injury. That I understand completely.
@@lomalasl I said take downs aren’t a part of bjj?! Hmm I don’t remember that. We seem to agree o everything else though!