Newly planted persimmon trees can be extremely late to wake up, please be patient
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a video for people concerned that their newly planted ( or even established ) persimmon is so late breaking dormancy that it might be dead. It's well worth waiting until you are absolutely certain as persimmons hate transplanting either from small containers or bare root. For some reason they suffer root shock more than most other deciduous trees and generally take much longer to recover. It's quite common for persimmons repotted in winter or planted from bare root to not start into growth until June or even July. Even if the new buds appear to start breaking into growth and then dry up and turn brown which has happened to me more than once , they often break out green again some weeks later after the roots have recovered. If you look at the Mount Goverla in this video the first year I got it the plant did not leaf out until late June, as you can see this year it has already grown a foot by the end of May. If your tree looks dead it's worth scratching the bark of your tree with your nail in a couple of places to see if there is any green below the surface. If there is any green at all then the tree will probably still start into growth when it's ready.
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Our persimmons are showing signs of life now too.
Take care and stay safe,
Rob
Always worth waiting, some are soooooo late to wake up
I took mine out in June to through it a way when I saw new grow at the root stock. You are absolutely correct.
Even if your grafted section has died the rootstock can regrow and you could graft on to it or the rootstock would make a nice ornamental
I love that you showed the comparison both in pots!! I just ordered 2 fuyus & they'll be potted too, in Texas by Galveston Bay. It's much warmer here so I'm hoping they'll do well.
They tend to be late to wake up the first Spring however the earlier you get them the less disturbed they are likely to be. Also if be any chance you happen to receive potted plants from your supplier of course they are not as shocked as bare root trees
Good luck with your trees
Thank you so much for the information about newly planted persimmon trees. It is May and mine has been in the ground a month and no sprouting. I am happy to know it my take awhile. The place I bought it from the girl could not give me any information as to why it has not sprouted. Thank you 🙏🏻 😁
My pleasure, the cold in April here killed all the young growth on mine and they might not resprout until June. Persimmons hate transplanting and I’m their first season may not break out until mid June or even July so I don’t think you need to worry yet. Obviously if nothing happens until August then something may have gone wrong
Nice video Brett. The one on the right seems to be the better earlier variety then for our UK climate. Many years ago I grew 2 from seed and they came back each year for a couple of years but after a severe winter they were killed off. Now all the persimmons I buy don’t have seed in them🤷🏻♀️
No not at all Louise. The point I was trying to make in the video is that newly planted persimmons usually suffer major transplant shock in their first season and therefore tend to come out of dormancy several weeks late in their first Summer and people might make the mistake of thinking their plant is dead. I got the one on the left this year bare root in January. In fact last year the one on the right did EXACTLY the same as the one on the left last Summer and did not start growing until mid June as I had received it bare root in January 2019. Next year the new plant on the left should be settled in the container and will start into growth at the same time as the one on the right.
Regarding seed absence all persimmons sold in the shops these days are from Asian persimmon varieties and are grown on female flower only plants probably in Spain, Israel and South Africa. Like my babaco, female flowers on Asian persimmons develop fruit without pollination. They only have seeds if pollinated by a male flower. A few years ago the handful of persimmons imported probably came from the Far East where they also have them growing wild so the flowers no doubt got pollinated and hence they contained seeds. Interestingly the presence of seeds can change the astringency, character and flavour of the fruit.
American persimmons on the other hand develop fruit better if pollinated.
Persimmons also do not come true from seed, seedlings vary hugely and they often revert to the original wild form and you could wait 7 to 10 years from seed to get a very disappointing tasteless fruit from seeds that came from a delicious fruit ( you could of course get a fantastic fruit which is how the new varieties are developed but it's an extremely slow process ).
Also when you grow from seed more than 50% of the seedlings will be male flower only plants so will never produce fruit ( although you could of course graft a named female variety onto those trees ).
If you fancy a persimmon tree for your garden it's best to try and locate a named variety online from a specialist nursery, you should get fruit within 2 or 3 years ( climate permitting as our summers are borderline for fruit production ) of a known variety.
As persimmons don't root from cuttings or air-layers large amounts are grown from seed to provide the rootstocks for grafting established varieties onto to provide new plants for sale. 😁
I bought from online and received a dry tree I planted in a pot almost 2 months already, and it started plum a leafy want know how long it take to bring them plant on the ground?
Sorry for the slow reply I was at work Gina. So I think you mean you bought a bare root tree with no leaves ? And you want to know when it will grow ? Depends where you live and your climate. It could take many weeks or even months for a dormant tree to start growing. Or maybe never
@@lyonheart84 it tall about 3 inch and got leaves now . I just want know how long I have plant on the ground ? It still in the pot, I live in maryland
You can plant in the ground when you have the space ready. Persimmons are normally planted in winter when they are dormant, but if you are worried your plant us too young and might be cold damaged, then keep it somewhere sheltered for winter.
Yep, I got a Nikita's Gift stick in the ground and waiting, after I got in the mail the soil was wet, but the leaves were wilted and lost them all after I put the tree in the ground.
Hopefully your tree will recover later in the Spring / Summer
I am in Perth, and it’s summer time, ever since I purchased about 3-4 months ago, no new growth, rather it has dropped almost all its leaves. I am worried now.
After purchased, I moved them to a little bigger pot.
They are extremely slow to do anything after repotting, they hate root disturbance, even when dormant. You have a lot of heat in Perth so I'd say it needs a sheltered position. They often send out a 2nd flush of growth late in Summer so I wouldn't panic yet if I were you 🤞🤞
@@lyonheart84 thanks, have given it good seasol and trimmed its branches, did not see much life in them, left with last leave on the plant now :(
I’ve had several look dead for several weeks or even months and then regrow so don’t give up yet 😉
@@lyonheart84 I removed from the pot, it had very less roots but were all brown no white, washed it and put it new fluffy soil, now will wait for few months, purchased A75$, next time will buy from Home Depot/Bunnings at least they have refund policy
@@vivektube123 You need to leave it alone lol, persimmons hate root disturbance, you haven't helped it by repotting it. Healthy persimmon roots are DARK BROWN / BLACK not white or yellow. Your roots sound perfectly healthy. Persimmons plants are expensive to buy because there are few commercial growers and they are slow to develop after growing. I've known them to not bud at all in the first Summer but grow the following year. By the way they also hate being fertilised until they are very well established. If you feed them when young it can cause leaf drop and fruit drop so be very careful. That old saying killing with kindness can be very true with persimmons.
I have a few baby persimmon trees sprouting out from the ground after I dug out the original persimmon tree from the ground last year to be planted in my new home. Unfortunately, my persimmon tree does not survive in its new home that I planted it in. However, when I went back to my old home I saw that there are new baby persimmon trees growing from the roots of the old persimmon tree that I have dug out. Obviously, while the persimmon tree has died its roots that are underground are still alive and those roots have sprouted new baby persimmon trees! Can you tell me how I can dig out these new baby persimmon trees from the ground and plant them in my new property without killing them?
How much soil should I leave with their roots when I dig them out, what kind of growth hormones should I use to encourage their growth, how often should I water them, and should I leave them in the shade or the sun within the first few weeks of their new home? I have tried planting a couple of the baby trees, but they wilted and died. I want to make sure they live the next time I dig them out and plant them in my new home. Thanks for any suggestions that you can give me! I appreciate it!
Obviously they will be shoots from the original rootstock of your tree so they will have the genetics of the original rootstock, might be D. Virginiana or D. Lotus.
The quality of the fruit would be unknown until they fruit one day but you could always try and graft named varieties onto them if they survive.
You should only move persimmons that are in ground when they are fully dormant in winter. I would have thought those should be easy to move as they are very young. Just dig up as much of the roots as you can around the suckers. It doesn’t really matter if the soil falls off if they are dormant. You’ll have to cut the horizontal roots from the original tree as far from the new plant as far as is practical.
You could try planting them in containers or just plant straight into the ground in your preferred locations. I wouldn’t say they need protection from the sun as long as you plant them in winter when dormant unless you are in an area that gets ridiculous sun and heat in summer that causes adult persimmons difficulties. Don’t add fertiliser with newly planted persimmons as it can burn the roots. You can add some mycorrhizal fungus to the hole when you plant if you can buy it there to help new root growth
When I planted parsimmon it had leaves . But it dried out after 2-3 days. . It now summer starting in india. Could not understand what is happening. Is it dying or it will revive.. ?
It might recover, but it’s very hot in India for persimmons ( except the tropical black sapote ). Here you can only buy persimmons in winter when they are dormant, they HATE root disturbance and transplanting, especially when they have leaves on, very tricky to plant
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I transplanted a Fuji cherry last summer, after some browning it leafed again last year also, its not flowered this year but has lots of small leaf buds that are coming very slowly out, is it going to be late?
Well I’m not an expert and every tree reacts differently to transplants but as the flowering buds form on the previous years growth my guess is that the setback it had last summer from the transplant stopped the pre- formation of flower buds. It may focus totally on growth this summer hopefully resulting in good flower production next Spring. Obviously deciduous fruit trees should really only be transplanted when fully dormant but sometimes you don’t have any choice 😫
It's about to be July now and the newly planted last fall tree has shown no growth... Getting anxious
They can leaf out even later so keep your fingers crossed. One of my 4 jujubes is still dormant, the other 3 have new shoots on them, but I see it still has green buds so maybe it will still start growing 🤞
I order a Ichikikeijiro persimmon to be delivere to zone 5 Chicago Illinois, in April, but is beginning of March and i do not know what to do with the plant it came to soon, should i plant it outside or indoor in a container.
Please help.
If you plan to plant it outside in April I would just lay it in a pot and cover the roots loosely with damp compost ( no need to pot it properly ) and leave it somewhere sheltered out of late frosts such as a garage or cellar. You don’t want to keep it somewhere warm as it might come out of dormancy too soon. Good luck 🤞
How long u take them out plant to the ground?
None of my persimmons are planted in the ground Gina, I grow them all in containers 😁
I am i Tunisia have the same issue , I bought my tree in February 2022 and not yet sprouting , I did the scratch test and it was green , is there anything I can do to accelrate it the sprouting process?? and how to fertilize it? thanks for the information.
No you can’t speed it up as far as I know, you just have to keep waiting and keep your fingers crossed. I wouldn’t feed a newly planted persimmon personally as the new roots can be very prone to fertiliser burn. Once it’s growing actively you could use a diluted feed once a month I guess
@@lyonheart84 thanks 🤗
Good luck 🤞
Hi my newly planted tree in early spring it did good and had new growth. Unfortunately the leaves are wilting. Its been in the 80's and its planted in some shade. Am i under watering it or possibly over watering? Any steps i can take to help my poor sad tree lol
Omg that’s so hot, we only get 80 plus once or twice in a normal Summer 😱. I’m not an expert in growing in your climate. I’ve heard that in your heat people set up shade cloth over newly planted trees. You don’t say how often you are watering. I’ve heard people I. That heat say they water every day but sometimes new roots just can’t draw up enough water. If it’s too wet you could of course drown the roots and they stop working. What type of soil is the tree planted in and how often are you watering ?
@@lyonheart84 Thank you for your reply.I did plant it in mostly shade so im glade i did that however ive been watering it every other day. My soil is a mix of reg dirt but it gets alittle on the clay side farther down you go if that makes since :)
I was reading cliff England the persimmon expert in the Facebook group and he said that you shouldn’t water more than once a week even in a drought 😱😱. I’m not sure if that applies to newly planted trees but perhaps you’ve overwatered the young roots?
@@lyonheart84 yes thats what ive neen reading also just didnt know if it applied to new trees.Time will tell and i will let you know what happens.Im just going to water it once a week for awhile and see how that goes... Thank you!
Fingers crossed for you 🤞
what can you do to make the tree trunk & branches get thicker
Nothing really, it’s just a natural occurrence as they get older. I suppose if you cut plants back hard maybe what’s left will get thicker a bit faster.....
Hi just found your channel. May I ask where you buy your trees from? Website or local store?
Hi there, if you mean persimmons, you cannot buy them at local stores / garden centres here in the UK, in fact they are almost impossible to buy anywhere in the UK, and not easy in the rest of Europe. It took me 2 years of internet searching to build up my collection of only 20 varieties. If you are in America it should be easy to buy them from the internet or your big garden centres or stores like Lowes
@@lyonheart84 No, I meant where you usually buys your tropically from. You have many variety of tropical trees of which I'm searching. I'm in Denmark and was lucky enough to find a persimmon at a local nursery. I'm trying to find webshops which sells annona/cherimoya, guava and other tropicals.
@@vietnguyen9355 Ah ok, yes my tropicals mostly came from www.canarius.com in the Canary islands, they post all over the world. They have a minimum order value for international orders but if you want several different plants that should be easy to reach the minimum. Also www.flora-toskana.com in Germany, they have a big selection of tropicals ( and some persimmons and pawpaw ). Also try www.lubera.com
@@vietnguyen9355 obviously some of my tropicals I grew from seed taken from fruit 😁
My diospyros kaki won't leaves until about June
That’s very late, where do you live ? My in ground seedling tree is always earlier than my container grown plants. I’ve made a big persimmon video to come out in the next day or two 😁
@lyonheart84 I'm in Cumbria so not as warm as you, it is normal for the Japanese persimmon to come late as any others persimmon, managed to keep em well thanks god
@@lyonheart84 mine in pot btw
Ah yes that would delay them, however this is an unnamed seedling as well I have in ground and I’ve heard they wake up earlier
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hey sir can i plant this...i am from india....summer mx temp 34°celcius and minimum 7-8°sometimes in my state.....and my state is heavy humid rainfall area
They like a short winter rest, I’m not sure if that is cold enough where you live but if you can get a plant or seeds why not try as an experiment as I know people grow them in parts of California and Florida
You needed to nail down your trees (tiredown) the wind will kill it.
Thanks, fortunately my garden is very sheltered and I now have so many trees that they virtually hold each other up. The pots are also very heavy so they are difficultly to blow over 😁