This mess lies at the feet of Marquez and his crew. They blew the Donaldson HBP out of proportion. NOBODY expected ejections there. Not even the Yankees. And their overreaction lost them control of this game. Umpire conferences after HBP were supposed to allow things to cool, instead, this conference was a lesson in confirmation bias where some or all of these 4 invented a problem that very likely didn’t actually exist. Not a good look for this crew.
The primary reason for crew conference after H.B.P. is to take the decision out of the hands of one umpire, and eliminate the need to make an immediate decision.
Seems very heavy handed to toss Garcia (less so Walker because it's not his fight to fight), I'll agree that's it a perfect storm situation though. An unfortunate situation for the Jays
Well Pete Walker is the pitching coach, so he has a right to be mad as he's the one who instructs his pitchers and he obviously is justifiably mad at this ejection
I’m a jays fan and it was an 0-1 fastball that hit Donaldson in a tie game and Garcia did not mean to do that, then gets tossed which is rediculous . And then the next game, Taillon hits vlad jr thinking that Garcia hit Donaldson intentionally and never even threw him out. The umping has been inconsistent and continues to be the same this season
@@noaharbo9753 This is touched on in the video; only the manager (Charlie) gets a leash with regards to arguing this, anyone else will get ejected. I don't know how much simpler I can explain this.
In this case, rightly or wrongly, I think the Umps turned it from a "tense situation" with the second hit-by-pitch, into an "angry" situation, for both sides, but especially for the Blue Jays. With Donaldson, going by the video, I think Warnings would have sufficed. Montoya wouldn't have been happy, but I think that would have sufficed. Then, after the Blue Jay pitcher got ejected for hitting the batter, anything close, like that later pitch you showed, it's just going to piss off the Blue Jays if they see, what they perceive, as unequal treatment by the Umps. Long story short, rightly or wrongly, I think the Umps turned a tense situation into just short of a storm, between those teams.
@@TiciTotyTony I'm not expecting trouble between teams in the next game, but with Marquez likely to be the plate umpire he will find himself quite on the hotseat.
Yeah, this is all on the umps. And what's even worse is that in today's game, they might issue warnings before the game, forcing both starting pitchers and the bullpen to pitch differently to avoid the risk of hitting batters. It's going to pit the teams together even though both teams had no hard feelings towards one another yesterday.
A warning between innings. De escalation is what most sports officials do. But not MLB Umps. They LOVE to escalate situations to remind baseball they are most important part if the game. Yeah, BS.
@@rayray4192 What do you mean? What rules apply? He was justifiably upset. Umpires were not consistent. Stop boot licking umpires all the time when they're in the wrong.
@@noaharbo9753 the rules were stated in the video. It’s illegal to argue umpire decisions after warnings have been issuee, and,or, a pitcher had been ejected for intentionally hitting a batter. Your ignorance in regard to M.L.B. rules is on you. I defend umpires until I can’t.
Ya and on the reverse you had that Jays fan giving the Judge homerun ball to a young yankees fan a week ago. It shows the contrasting mentality of the fans from these cities
I haven't done the research on these 4 umpires, but this is one of those situations where and why it always hurts when players (even at the HS level) don't umpire after their careers are over. Instead you have persons who never played the game and don't understand the nuances arbitrating the "unwritten" aspect of it. No one on either side thought that was intentional - 3-3 game, 6th inning, 0-1 count. But 4 MLB Umpires who have made it through 10-15 years of training did. So with that being said, I would have to agree with Lindsay there HAS to be more to this. Somewhere those officials were told by MLB about something else going on or they had other information we don't. I hope. Man, I hope.
It's obvious for an entire umpire's career - either you're effortless reading where plays, hits, and throws are going, knowing instinctively which players are backing up where - or you're reciting the manual and have a bag of flash cards in your trunk and probably won't ever get to the point of calling a quality game without a "real" guy/gal on the plate. I have no clue how the non ball-players even survive calling ball above the HS level - because they basically don't. They'd lose their heads in the first inning of an NCAA-level game. No shot.
This video should be put in an umpires training manual of what NOT TO DO on one of these decisions on throwing someone out. I can't even think of the logic that went in with this decision.
Hopefully this gets the MLB to change their minds on crew conferences for intentional HBPs. It does nothing to correct one-sided officiating in games like these.
Umps made a mess of this one. MLB needs to go back to the old way of handling this shit. The new method sucks and the umps get it wrong more often than not
A few things: First- the "I'm done with you" hand waive by the crew chief when ejecting Garcia was demeaning and unprofessional. The level of umpire unprofessionalism needs to be corrected by MLB in these situations. Secondly, when ejecting the pitching coach, the crew chief, again, nearly hit Montoyo in the face. I typically defend umpires and believe that they have every right to engage in heated arguments with managers/coaches/players. And I'm tired of hearing people say that unpires are "ruining the game". (There's a lot ruining the game, including the players' union, the umpires' union, large market owners' greed, no salary caps, no profit sharing, etc...) Nonetheless, the level of general professionalism anong umpires needs to step up. For example, what happened with in the recent Bumgarner - Dan Bollino confrontation is far below an acceptable level of decency and professionalism. Likewise, the handling of this situation falls short of the mark.
Amazing that you can have a crew of four umpires talk it over and somehow not one of them had the common sense to assess the situation and realize it couldn’t possibly be intentional. Garcia sequences his slider and 4/2-seamer off each other (just check baseball savant to see how he works both edges of the plate with them). After the first pitch sinker, a fastball in (that got away) to set up another slider away makes a lot more sense than plunking a guy to put the go ahead run on base in the 6th inning. The whole crew blew this one.
@@bogie7311 pitchers that are mad about homers don’t throw first pitch sinkers on the black to the next batter and THEN suddenly decide to bean them, and you don’t intentionally put the go-ahead run on base in a tie game... Garcia pitches inside with questionable control at times, but he hasn’t had a reputation for headhunting and he doesn’t have any particular history with Donaldson. The whole umpiring crew suffered from a case of scenario fulfillment here, egged on by the Yankee dugout, and decided that they saw something that wasn’t actually there
If you need to check Baseball Savant, that’s not “common sense”, that’s research. And a heck of a lot of intel for umps to have on every player on the field. And needless to say, umps aren’t consulting websites and databases in real time on the field.
@@bernier42 I’m not suggesting that the umpires check it mid game. MLB umpires should come into the game already aware of something as simple as hard in soft away sinker/slider sequencing, because it’s incredibly common at every level of the sport, rather than immediately assuming intent just because a fastball runs inside. I meant that if anyone here in the comments doesn’t believe me when I say how Garcia uses his pitches, you can go check to confirm I’m not making it up
This was just straight up incompetence by an umpiring crew. It was the 2nd pitch of the at bat, the game was tied, the balls had been terrible all night, and Donaldson, who is known to overreact to things, didn't even react. And considering the 3 other umpires are relatively inexperience in the League, this falls on Marquez, which to be fair doesn't surprise me, he seems like a fine umpire when not doing Blue Jays games, but when he does Blue Jays games he becomes incompetent, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it seems to happen more than enough to be a coincidence.
I think almolst all umpires are against the Blue Jays and there's evidence of it over the years other teams pitchers can go after Toronto batters nothing happens but when a blue Jays pitcher un intentionality hit a batter they get ejected from the game that's what I believe
It's been like this for awhile, remember 2015 where Jim Wolfe ejected Aaron Sanchez cause apparently hitting someone in the ankle is intentional... but somehow KC kept pitching High and inside to Toronto and that's fine??? I like Watching Jay's games, but when the umpires are clearly biased against a Canadian team then it's very hard to watch
The right field fence being the size of a pony league field is a joke, probably adds to the frustration. That's a lazy fly out anywhere else. Why they built the park that way defies logic,
@@alanhess9306 If you have a lot of left hand batters it gives you an advantage in half of your games. The other teams that only play a hand full of games there would not pad their line up with lefties because they will be playing in parks that are typically asymmetrical.
Something that should have been a mitigating factor-why would you bring in a reliever to throw at a batter on his second pitch? If you're going to do that, then leave the guy in who gave up the home run so you don't waste a pitcher. I hate to say it, but I think if this exact thing happened if these same two teams were playing in Toronto, we don't see any ejections. I think the Yankee stadium crowd influenced the decision. It's not supposed to, but I think it did.
@@bernier42 You're right. They brought Garcia in after Kikuchi gave up three hits in the bottom of the 6th. Garcia gave up the Stanton homer, and then he hit Donaldson. It still doesn't make sense that it would be a deliberate HBP, given the game situaiton.
Your comment about Donaldson. There is no ill intent from Donaldson to Toronto or vise versa. Absolutely no way jays intentionally hits Donaldson ever. Get your facts
The comment about Montoyo covering his mouth cracked me up a little. I don't even think there's any animosity between the Jays and Yankees as far as I'm aware of. Even if Donaldson is a shithead, there's nothing that warrants being thrown at. Especially in a late tied game. Warnings would have sufficed and not set off this shitshow.
Intent? So now we can read the minds of others and know intentions? Laughable! Intent? Please! Prove intent. You can’t judge intent! Unless a player is saying hit him. Intent or situation?
Big mistakes from the umps honestly, Donaldson is beloved by the Jays organization so no one is ever going to throw at him intentionally. Also, 3-3 game and if it was intentional he would’ve thrown at him with the first pitch of the at bat. Warnings would’ve defused everything, coaches would’ve still been in the game, and this game would’ve ended differently whether the Yankees or Jays go onto win.
I don't think Walker would have survived the game. If you're a coach, you are (to put it bluntly) to be seen and not heard especially in an argument (see last year's Greg Gibson ejection of a Cubs coach).
If the last one is a proper ejection then EVERYTHING is SOFT! The first ejection was BS. Everything is going soft and this channel sides with the BS 90% of the time
“Something must have happened”. This channel is ridiculous with the umpire worship. It’s a tie game. You don’t intentionally put the go ahead run on base. Umpires overreacted. Please just say so. Umpiring is at an all time low. I’m done with this channel. You and your irritating voice.
I usually come to this page for the real view, and I like that defense of the umpires happens here. It definitely always gives a different viewpoint to Jomboy ("Uh, I don't know what the rule is, but I think the umpire screwed up." -Seems to be a line in every one of his videos.) Occasionally, however, it does seem like you go overboard trying to explain the umpire's actions away. This was a bad call to eject. (From a Braves fan. No dog in this fight.)
In their defense, they did say thst they thought the umpires were wrong I don't think they explained away the umpires but tried to explain that the umpires aren't completely brainless because there was a small amount of evidence that it was intentional
@@critter2 I had a viewpoint and I expressed it. I thought too much of the video was used to say "Well, they might have done it because of this reason, or that reason. Maybe they did have a good reason." While I appreciate avoiding bashing on the umpires, I thought the video would be much better with a short and simple, "We don't know what other information they had that may have changed the call, but from outside appearances, I believe this hit by pitch was not intentional." Overall, I love the content here and hope that Lindsay keeps up the great work!
If they issue warnings, I think Boone gets ejected and tries to retaliate the next game. Ejecting Garcia is the better long term decision, but smothering a heated situation still burns your hands.
It is normal that the next guy gets wacked after a home run in certain situations, but ejections where crazy and uncalled for, maybe a warning to both benches.
"It would have been an argument either way." Sure, but in one case your pitcher gets ejected, and in the other case he doesn't. These are not the same.
Sensitive ass umps throwing people out from the dugout after an awful decision. Really is unfortunate we can't eventually replace every aspect of their jobs with robots
Careful what you wish for. If human umps are replaced with robots, who will whiners like you have to blame when your team doesn’t win? This channel has done extensive analysis on the failures of roboump systems yet some of you anti-umpire fools just refuse to hear anything that might relieve you of your ignorance.
Replacing them with robots takes away from the game of baseball. Instead maybe MLB should hire actual good umpires who don’t take everything so personal
Replace ball/strike with robots. This stuff should be arguable without ejection unless they attack the ump. Umps have too much power with all these “can’t argue x” rules.
In our umpire chats, while we'd refer to a player who's likely to get targeted as "hot", the real adjectives we'd use (with a journalist, for example) would be "magnetic and controversial", or simply "involved in interpersonal conflicts with other involved players or staff members". Great coverage!
@@jpvanden1 the computers will be used to call balls and strikes. There will still be umpires in the field. Just not behind the plate. I would prefer real umpires calling the balls and strikes, but they need to get over their grudges with certain players and be more consistent. All except Angel Hernandez, he’s consistently BAD.
Let's add gasoline to this fire: this season in particular has had pitchers complaining about the manufacture and quality of balls used in MLB. Reputable pitchers, too. Then the latest scandal about increasing RPM by using unknown substances is growing and ugly talk is leaking out. Could it be that some of this HBP relates to hard-to-handle balls and a drive to increase speed of rotation? Let's step out of the box of payback and send-'em-a-message for just one second. Slips happen.
Listen A.H'S, he hit him cause they hit a home run against him. But being a BLUE JAY fan, we understand you don't like the call. Put yourself on the outside.
Terrible umpiring. Marquez was obviously hot headed and some of the umpires were putting their hands on the players/managers. They need to start being suspended for this. This situation only escalated because of the incompetent MLB umps.
There is nothing that happened, it was a disgraceful decision by the umpires, a tie game and the count was 0-1 to Donaldson, why would he then throw at him.....makes zero sense.
The Benidorm of the doubt absolutely should have been used here and instead the crew created a worse situation. Logic and common sense were absent from this and then to run Montoya just destroyed the credibility of that crew. Terrible.
It use to be a no Brainer. Now it's a conference before throwing someone out. Hand holding while staring at the player and soo on. I rather see baseball played as it should be. Not all of this nonsense and the commissioner of baseball needs to be fired. I am old school! Oh one more thing. Don't put a runner at 2nd base if the game is tied after 9 innings to try and get the game to end sooner.
Lol have you ever said an ejection was incorrect? Like i get they always have the discretion to eject but they completely blew the calls and lost control of this game.
pitcher was tired of batters T-ing off on him. they were rockin the daylights out his weak ass throws, and he was trying to back them off the plate. hell ya it was intentional.
Josh Donaldson said after the game that him and the Blue Jays Catcher had some words before the AB. It’s likely the umpire heard it since he was right there, so he deemed it intentional because of that.
Bingo, this is the thing everyone is just assuming never happened. JD has always been a hot rod and one of the higher plunked batters the last few years too in the league. I figured something was said or done earlier that they (umpires) filed away. Otherwise, without it, they don’t have much of anything to run Garcia.
The pitching coach and players should be able to argue without being restrained as well. As long as they aren’t trying to attack the umpire. That’s the way it used to be and it should be like that now. Yelling at them to get out while they are being forcibly restrained is a bad look for umpires. This is for both teams and umpires, just let them have their say and they’ll usually storm off. No need to grab them and hold them back especially the coaches. I’ve seen coaches that argue more calmly than managers.
Such a Grey area in that game. Donaldson is a former MVP with the Bluejays.. it was stated from broadcasts with the grip issues with with baseballs, and both sides having control issues with such. Game's tied, why intentionally hit someone to put the lead run on base. Crazy almost no win situation to determine actual intent or lack of
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You stole my tattle tale comment!! Damn.
We’re at 7 on getting our money’s worth this year but this is no chime
It's fine, you can just remake the video, right?
then I won't come out to argue about it
I'm still waiting for a "magic words" chime.
This mess lies at the feet of Marquez and his crew. They blew the Donaldson HBP out of proportion. NOBODY expected ejections there. Not even the Yankees. And their overreaction lost them control of this game.
Umpire conferences after HBP were supposed to allow things to cool, instead, this conference was a lesson in confirmation bias where some or all of these 4 invented a problem that very likely didn’t actually exist. Not a good look for this crew.
The primary reason for crew conference after H.B.P. is to take the decision out of the hands of one umpire, and eliminate the need to make an immediate decision.
@@rayray4192 apparently in baseball, just like in corporate america, “none of us alone are as stupid as all of us together!”
@@pfiechtner never heard your euphemism before. It’s a good one. Bravo.
The problem is: You listen to the CCS narrator -- this DOES check all the boxes.
Couldn’t agree more
Seems very heavy handed to toss Garcia (less so Walker because it's not his fight to fight), I'll agree that's it a perfect storm situation though. An unfortunate situation for the Jays
Well Pete Walker is the pitching coach, so he has a right to be mad as he's the one who instructs his pitchers and he obviously is justifiably mad at this ejection
@@noahjarbo3275 He has the right to be mad - he doesn't have the right to take that up with the umpires.
I’m a jays fan and it was an 0-1 fastball that hit Donaldson in a tie game and Garcia did not mean to do that, then gets tossed which is rediculous . And then the next game, Taillon hits vlad jr thinking that Garcia hit Donaldson intentionally and never even threw him out. The umping has been inconsistent and continues to be the same this season
@@Kenshuku But he kinda does though. They're the one who made the decision to eject the pitcher.
@@noaharbo9753 This is touched on in the video; only the manager (Charlie) gets a leash with regards to arguing this, anyone else will get ejected. I don't know how much simpler I can explain this.
I know this channel defends umpires but the umpires were wrong here. Not even a question.
Ahh, Yankee favoritism.
BS, more crying by the Jays.
Montoya leaving the dugout for the field has to be a litmus test of some sort for the horrific umpiring that has gone on this year. Just wow.
Ok so the Yankees throw and hit Gurriel jr nothing happens 🤔 Garcia hits donaldson and it’s thrown outta the game 🤔 WTF
In this case, rightly or wrongly, I think the Umps turned it from a "tense situation" with the second hit-by-pitch, into an "angry" situation, for both sides, but especially for the Blue Jays. With Donaldson, going by the video, I think Warnings would have sufficed. Montoya wouldn't have been happy, but I think that would have sufficed. Then, after the Blue Jay pitcher got ejected for hitting the batter, anything close, like that later pitch you showed, it's just going to piss off the Blue Jays if they see, what they perceive, as unequal treatment by the Umps.
Long story short, rightly or wrongly, I think the Umps turned a tense situation into just short of a storm, between those teams.
oh yeah i wouldn't be surprised if both teams clear next game lol
@@TiciTotyTony I'm not expecting trouble between teams in the next game, but with Marquez likely to be the plate umpire he will find himself quite on the hotseat.
Montoyo*
Yeah, this is all on the umps. And what's even worse is that in today's game, they might issue warnings before the game, forcing both starting pitchers and the bullpen to pitch differently to avoid the risk of hitting batters. It's going to pit the teams together even though both teams had no hard feelings towards one another yesterday.
A warning between innings. De escalation is what most sports officials do. But not MLB Umps. They LOVE to escalate situations to remind baseball they are most important part if the game. Yeah, BS.
Love Montoya's reaction to figuring out he is the one thrown out. Truly can't believe it.
Apparently he doesn’t know M.L.B rules.
@@rayray4192 What do you mean? What rules apply? He was justifiably upset. Umpires were not consistent. Stop boot licking umpires all the time when they're in the wrong.
@@noaharbo9753 the rules were stated in the video. It’s illegal to argue umpire decisions after warnings have been issuee, and,or, a pitcher had been ejected for intentionally hitting a batter. Your ignorance in regard to M.L.B. rules is on you. I defend umpires until I can’t.
@@rayray4192 Bruhh
@@rayray4192 I agree with u
Notice how the Yankees fans clap at how almost Bo gets hit??? Congrats Yankee fans, your getting more and more disrespectful every game
Ya and on the reverse you had that Jays fan giving the Judge homerun ball to a young yankees fan a week ago. It shows the contrasting mentality of the fans from these cities
every fucking dan has so much disrespectful everyone of you have ruin this game for your attitude towards umpires
I haven't done the research on these 4 umpires, but this is one of those situations where and why it always hurts when players (even at the HS level) don't umpire after their careers are over. Instead you have persons who never played the game and don't understand the nuances arbitrating the "unwritten" aspect of it. No one on either side thought that was intentional - 3-3 game, 6th inning, 0-1 count. But 4 MLB Umpires who have made it through 10-15 years of training did.
So with that being said, I would have to agree with Lindsay there HAS to be more to this. Somewhere those officials were told by MLB about something else going on or they had other information we don't. I hope. Man, I hope.
It's obvious for an entire umpire's career - either you're effortless reading where plays, hits, and throws are going, knowing instinctively which players are backing up where - or you're reciting the manual and have a bag of flash cards in your trunk and probably won't ever get to the point of calling a quality game without a "real" guy/gal on the plate. I have no clue how the non ball-players even survive calling ball above the HS level - because they basically don't. They'd lose their heads in the first inning of an NCAA-level game. No shot.
Umpires impacting a game once again. Just let them play baseball. As a fan that’s all I ask for!
He didn’t intentionally throw at him
@@tvideo1189 apparently you are too
@@tvideo1189 did you watch the game?Look at the score,look at the count.
P.S.You do not understand what deciding the game means.
@@tvideo1189 you actually dumb enough to think that was on purpose?
no that mlb bsaeball you people are blamming the wrong damn people
Umpires don’t even know the game. What a joke
Every umpire from HS on up knows the game better than you do.
This video should be put in an umpires training manual of what NOT TO DO on one of these decisions on throwing someone out. I can't even think of the logic that went in with this decision.
you need to be talking to mlb baseball why is this so fucking hard for fans to fucking understand
Hopefully this gets the MLB to change their minds on crew conferences for intentional HBPs. It does nothing to correct one-sided officiating in games like these.
it won't
everyone is still blamming umpires
Man, this is worse than last year with Acuna. This is getting out of hand. It's funny that CCS would mention Jomboy.
Well, even the covering of the mouth didn't save Montoyo from the Jomboy breakdown!
The confusion in the Yankees dugout says it all
You must not of seen all the fu's being said after he hit him.. Yanks are a cheating classless bunch. Read the letter
Boone standing there, thinking,,,,"yaaa ff yaaa,,thanks Rob Manfred and MLB,, " Of course if a yankee does it, nothing happens
Umps made a mess of this one. MLB needs to go back to the old way of handling this shit. The new method sucks and the umps get it wrong more often than not
A few things: First- the "I'm done with you" hand waive by the crew chief when ejecting Garcia was demeaning and unprofessional. The level of umpire unprofessionalism needs to be corrected by MLB in these situations.
Secondly, when ejecting the pitching coach, the crew chief, again, nearly hit Montoyo in the face.
I typically defend umpires and believe that they have every right to engage in heated arguments with managers/coaches/players. And I'm tired of hearing people say that unpires are "ruining the game". (There's a lot ruining the game, including the players' union, the umpires' union, large market owners' greed, no salary caps, no profit sharing, etc...)
Nonetheless, the level of general professionalism anong umpires needs to step up. For example, what happened with in the recent Bumgarner - Dan Bollino confrontation is far below an acceptable level of decency and professionalism.
Likewise, the handling of this situation falls short of the mark.
Amazing that you can have a crew of four umpires talk it over and somehow not one of them had the common sense to assess the situation and realize it couldn’t possibly be intentional. Garcia sequences his slider and 4/2-seamer off each other (just check baseball savant to see how he works both edges of the plate with them). After the first pitch sinker, a fastball in (that got away) to set up another slider away makes a lot more sense than plunking a guy to put the go ahead run on base in the 6th inning. The whole crew blew this one.
“couldn’t possibly be intentional?” You’ve got to be kidding.
@@bogie7311 pitchers that are mad about homers don’t throw first pitch sinkers on the black to the next batter and THEN suddenly decide to bean them, and you don’t intentionally put the go-ahead run on base in a tie game...
Garcia pitches inside with questionable control at times, but he hasn’t had a reputation for headhunting and he doesn’t have any particular history with Donaldson. The whole umpiring crew suffered from a case of scenario fulfillment here, egged on by the Yankee dugout, and decided that they saw something that wasn’t actually there
If you need to check Baseball Savant, that’s not “common sense”, that’s research. And a heck of a lot of intel for umps to have on every player on the field. And needless to say, umps aren’t consulting websites and databases in real time on the field.
Mind reader.
"Pitchers would never make it less obvious!"
That said, warnings.
@@bernier42 I’m not suggesting that the umpires check it mid game. MLB umpires should come into the game already aware of something as simple as hard in soft away sinker/slider sequencing, because it’s incredibly common at every level of the sport, rather than immediately assuming intent just because a fastball runs inside.
I meant that if anyone here in the comments doesn’t believe me when I say how Garcia uses his pitches, you can go check to confirm I’m not making it up
This was just straight up incompetence by an umpiring crew. It was the 2nd pitch of the at bat, the game was tied, the balls had been terrible all night, and Donaldson, who is known to overreact to things, didn't even react. And considering the 3 other umpires are relatively inexperience in the League, this falls on Marquez, which to be fair doesn't surprise me, he seems like a fine umpire when not doing Blue Jays games, but when he does Blue Jays games he becomes incompetent, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it seems to happen more than enough to be a coincidence.
say the people who never been on field or an official
@@critter2 I literally was an umpire for 3 years.
@@itsjeff9613 It took me 3 years after I started umpiring to get a varsity game. 3 years means you are a rookie and still have lots to learn.
I think almolst all umpires are against the Blue Jays and there's evidence of it over the years other teams pitchers can go after Toronto batters nothing happens but when a blue Jays pitcher un intentionality hit a batter they get ejected from the game that's what I believe
It's been like this for awhile, remember 2015 where Jim Wolfe ejected Aaron Sanchez cause apparently hitting someone in the ankle is intentional... but somehow KC kept pitching High and inside to Toronto and that's fine???
I like Watching Jay's games, but when the umpires are clearly biased against a Canadian team then it's very hard to watch
Once again jays get screwed
Not only do they have to taken on that Yankees line up but the incompetent umps as well
The right field fence being the size of a pony league field is a joke, probably adds to the frustration. That's a lazy fly out anywhere else. Why they built the park that way defies logic,
@@notredo Why does that matte? Both teams have the same opportunity to hit one out over the right field fence, but do both teams have the ability?
@@alanhess9306 If you have a lot of left hand batters it gives you an advantage in half of your games. The other teams that only play a hand full of games there would not pad their line up with lefties because they will be playing in parks that are typically asymmetrical.
@@notredo That's a good point. But that means the Yankees have to play half their games on fields they aren't so familiar with.
That was Crazy 3 Blue Jays EJECTED
Wow. Yankees fan.
Bad call.
Not a Yankee fan. Just so far up the umpire's ass they can see Joe West.
yep little leauge park lol
With children for fans.
So the Jays don't have the same chances to score in a "little league park"?
Shocker … umps needed to make the game about them .
Something that should have been a mitigating factor-why would you bring in a reliever to throw at a batter on his second pitch? If you're going to do that, then leave the guy in who gave up the home run so you don't waste a pitcher.
I hate to say it, but I think if this exact thing happened if these same two teams were playing in Toronto, we don't see any ejections. I think the Yankee stadium crowd influenced the decision. It's not supposed to, but I think it did.
Because given the recent past of the cordial YANKEE FANS we all know not to get the neanderthals stirred up
It was the same pitcher.
@@bernier42 You're right. They brought Garcia in after Kikuchi gave up three hits in the bottom of the 6th. Garcia gave up the Stanton homer, and then he hit Donaldson.
It still doesn't make sense that it would be a deliberate HBP, given the game situaiton.
My goodness....could you possibly be more defensive of garbage umpiring?
Did you pay attention when CCS disagreed with the ejection?
Your comment about Donaldson. There is no ill intent from Donaldson to Toronto or vise versa. Absolutely no way jays intentionally hits Donaldson ever. Get your facts
It's all a crock of shit. This is why the game is loosing thousands of followers. Time for a revamp or the game dies.
The comment about Montoyo covering his mouth cracked me up a little. I don't even think there's any animosity between the Jays and Yankees as far as I'm aware of. Even if Donaldson is a shithead, there's nothing that warrants being thrown at. Especially in a late tied game. Warnings would have sufficed and not set off this shitshow.
Intent? So now we can read the minds of others and know intentions? Laughable! Intent? Please! Prove intent. You can’t judge intent! Unless a player is saying hit him. Intent or situation?
Why in the hell would he be throwing at someone in a tied game in the 6th?
whatever happened to the rule that any park built for a professional team after June 1, 1958, had to be 325 down the lines ?
IMO if you throw out the first pitcher you have to throw out the second pitcher. They both seem to be the same level of intentionality.
Big mistakes from the umps honestly, Donaldson is beloved by the Jays organization so no one is ever going to throw at him intentionally. Also, 3-3 game and if it was intentional he would’ve thrown at him with the first pitch of the at bat. Warnings would’ve defused everything, coaches would’ve still been in the game, and this game would’ve ended differently whether the Yankees or Jays go onto win.
Blue jays lost because of the ejections
I don't think Walker would have survived the game. If you're a coach, you are (to put it bluntly) to be seen and not heard especially in an argument (see last year's Greg Gibson ejection of a Cubs coach).
And how you can agree with this is quite questionable.. Js
If the last one is a proper ejection then EVERYTHING is SOFT! The first ejection was BS. Everything is going soft and this channel sides with the BS 90% of the time
Toronto managers get thrown out more than any other team.
It was an 0-1 count in a tie game why would he deck him in that scenario
Couple of updates. First: no further punishments for the Blue Jays. Second: JomBoy just go in on the action (Ask and ye shall receive).
“Something must have happened”. This channel is ridiculous with the umpire worship. It’s a tie game. You don’t intentionally put the go ahead run on base. Umpires overreacted. Please just say so. Umpiring is at an all time low. I’m done with this channel. You and your irritating voice.
They did say so. They disagreed with the ejection. Watch the video again but pay attention this time.
I'm a Yankees fan but these umps are garbage👎
I usually come to this page for the real view, and I like that defense of the umpires happens here. It definitely always gives a different viewpoint to Jomboy ("Uh, I don't know what the rule is, but I think the umpire screwed up." -Seems to be a line in every one of his videos.) Occasionally, however, it does seem like you go overboard trying to explain the umpire's actions away. This was a bad call to eject. (From a Braves fan. No dog in this fight.)
In their defense, they did say thst they thought the umpires were wrong
I don't think they explained away the umpires but tried to explain that the umpires aren't completely brainless because there was a small amount of evidence that it was intentional
no they didn't stop making excuses
the fact you watch jomboy say everything
@@critter2 I had a viewpoint and I expressed it. I thought too much of the video was used to say "Well, they might have done it because of this reason, or that reason. Maybe they did have a good reason." While I appreciate avoiding bashing on the umpires, I thought the video would be much better with a short and simple, "We don't know what other information they had that may have changed the call, but from outside appearances, I believe this hit by pitch was not intentional." Overall, I love the content here and hope that Lindsay keeps up the great work!
If they issue warnings, I think Boone gets ejected and tries to retaliate the next game. Ejecting Garcia is the better long term decision, but smothering a heated situation still burns your hands.
Lot of ejections today. First this game and then Mariners vs. Phillies there were 2. This should be a fun watch
Umpires too much power B S
You missed the getting his money’s worth sound!!!
It is normal that the next guy gets wacked after a home run in certain situations, but ejections where crazy and uncalled for, maybe a warning to both benches.
Only in New York.
"It would have been an argument either way." Sure, but in one case your pitcher gets ejected, and in the other case he doesn't. These are not the same.
Stadium is a joke
Blue Jays have a disproportionate amount of ejections lol.
The ump show
Wow, umpires were pretty awful in this game
They have been awful all over the leauge but they seem to have issues with Toronto this year
We need a jomboy media breakdown asap
Sensitive ass umps throwing people out from the dugout after an awful decision. Really is unfortunate we can't eventually replace every aspect of their jobs with robots
Careful what you wish for.
If human umps are replaced with robots, who will whiners like you have to blame when your team doesn’t win?
This channel has done extensive analysis on the failures of roboump systems yet some of you anti-umpire fools just refuse to hear anything that might relieve you of your ignorance.
You know, I get the Montoyo ejection. But if they hadn't overreacted to the Donaldson HBP, the Montoyo ejection doesn't happen, either.
Replacing them with robots takes away from the game of baseball. Instead maybe MLB should hire actual good umpires who don’t take everything so personal
Replace ball/strike with robots.
This stuff should be arguable without ejection unless they attack the ump. Umps have too much power with all these “can’t argue x” rules.
@@FF11000 what exactly does it take away? Mistakes? Arguments? Emphatically missed strike 3s?
Crew Chief made this terrible
In our umpire chats, while we'd refer to a player who's likely to get targeted as "hot", the real adjectives we'd use (with a journalist, for example) would be "magnetic and controversial", or simply "involved in interpersonal conflicts with other involved players or staff members". Great coverage!
I believe the umpires are just putting an end to their jobs even faster.
Yeah, because a robot is going to be able to tell the intent of a pitch....... Oh wait, it's not.
@@jpvanden1 the computers will be used to call balls and strikes. There will still be umpires in the field. Just not behind the plate. I would prefer real umpires calling the balls and strikes, but they need to get over their grudges with certain players and be more consistent. All except Angel Hernandez, he’s consistently BAD.
Alfonso Marquez and his crew have to be one of the worst umpiring crews in the game. Only Angel Hernandez would make it worse.
The umps need to quit being so thin skinned. Throwing people out at a whim.
New rules and ump overreaction are pushing me away from the game.
Let's add gasoline to this fire: this season in particular has had pitchers complaining about the manufacture and quality of balls used in MLB. Reputable pitchers, too. Then the latest scandal about increasing RPM by using unknown substances is growing and ugly talk is leaking out. Could it be that some of this HBP relates to hard-to-handle balls and a drive to increase speed of rotation? Let's step out of the box of payback and send-'em-a-message for just one second. Slips happen.
Listen A.H'S, he hit him cause they hit a home run against him. But being a BLUE JAY fan, we understand you don't like the call. Put yourself on the outside.
Terrible umpiring. Marquez was obviously hot headed and some of the umpires were putting their hands on the players/managers. They need to start being suspended for this. This situation only escalated because of the incompetent MLB umps.
There is nothing that happened, it was a disgraceful decision by the umpires, a tie game and the count was 0-1 to Donaldson, why would he then throw at him.....makes zero sense.
The Benidorm of the doubt absolutely should have been used here and instead the crew created a worse situation. Logic and common sense were absent from this and then to run Montoya just destroyed the credibility of that crew. Terrible.
This guy talking is a clown. These umpires are reaching this call is baloney. Who picked this clown to give us a description of what happened?
Umpires are out of control!
It use to be a no Brainer. Now it's a conference before throwing someone out. Hand holding while staring at the player and soo on. I rather see baseball played as it should be. Not all of this nonsense and the commissioner of baseball needs to be fired. I am old school! Oh one more thing. Don't put a runner at 2nd base if the game is tied after 9 innings to try and get the game to end sooner.
Lol have you ever said an ejection was incorrect? Like i get they always have the discretion to eject but they completely blew the calls and lost control of this game.
pitcher was tired of batters T-ing off on him. they were rockin the daylights out his weak ass throws, and he was trying to back them off the plate. hell ya it was intentional.
Crazy. All pro sports are so sensitive these days and are all cry babies. Thanks Manfred ya bum
I'm just concerned that there was no added sound effect at 3:46.
You need an explanation if you ejected a pitcher there is no way he threw at a player Donaldson isn’t the best player on the team
Horrible call, mlb umps have been especially horrendous this season..
You are wrong they didn't go argue they yelled from the dugout big difference.
Some of the umpires learned the rules out of the cracker jack box
Umps are the stars of the show. And they will always remind you of that.
These umps shouldn't be umping the Majors.
What a horrible Call.. these umpires SUCK!!!
토론토 우승하고 싶으면 루이스 카스티요 영입해라. 구리엘 과 스트링플링 카드로 쓰든지 해서. 불펜강화 선발강화 두개다 강화시킬수 잇다.
Josh Donaldson said after the game that him and the Blue Jays Catcher had some words before the AB. It’s likely the umpire heard it since he was right there, so he deemed it intentional because of that.
Bingo, this is the thing everyone is just assuming never happened. JD has always been a hot rod and one of the higher plunked batters the last few years too in the league. I figured something was said or done earlier that they (umpires) filed away. Otherwise, without it, they don’t have much of anything to run Garcia.
Also, this was the batter after the home run was hit. But you warn both sides.
Blue jays have Astro cheating players
The ball slipped out of his hand
The pitching coach and players should be able to argue without being restrained as well. As long as they aren’t trying to attack the umpire. That’s the way it used to be and it should be like that now. Yelling at them to get out while they are being forcibly restrained is a bad look for umpires. This is for both teams and umpires, just let them have their say and they’ll usually storm off. No need to grab them and hold them back especially the coaches. I’ve seen coaches that argue more calmly than managers.
It is the manager's job to discuss or argue calls. It is never an assistant coach's job. Assistant coaches should be seen and not heard.
Umpires need to be fined for stupid shit like this.
Umpiring in MLB is embarrassingly bad.
Such a Grey area in that game. Donaldson is a former MVP with the Bluejays.. it was stated from broadcasts with the grip issues with with baseballs, and both sides having control issues with such. Game's tied, why intentionally hit someone to put the lead run on base. Crazy almost no win situation to determine actual intent or lack of
these umpires should be ashamed of themselves.
mlb baseball made huge mess with this nonsense
4:48 Boone lookin' like he's due any day now
Awful job by the umps. Really awful and there’s no defending it. Even the YES crew was upset over it.
Montoya has his hands on the umps, alot
WHERES MY MONEYS WORTH SOUND EFFECT
This is why baseball is trash now.
Who won this game anyway?
Whose grandma is narrarating?