Reforming The Horse Industry | On The Dujardin Video, Olympics & Beyond
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So good to hear this. There are so many things that need to change. Apparently Germany are introducing a rule that horses can't race until 3 years old. That's good in my opinion.
That’s not too bad of a start. I wouldn’t mind at least four because as for as I know ow most horses aren’t even introduced to a saddle at 4 (I never started a horse myself so I am guessing).
It never ceases to amaze me....just how many people there are....that JUST. DON'T. GET IT.
Thanks for speaking up so well....and with such compassion. With any luck....the horses will benefit from this eye opening occurrence. With any more luck.....within the year, both "Big Lick" and the "Slaughter Pipeline" will be a thing of the past. Cindy 🐴
when i ask my male friends(who dont know horses) what they think about horses at olympics, they ask me why we need all the ropes and stuff in their mouth, wouldn't a true bond be ''free''? ''Like a dog that listens doesn't need a leash'' They got a point lol .. I believe that's the only way the horse sport can be succesful in the future, makes it more interesting for outsiders and people who love horses. Win, win you'd say. You summed it up perfectly with the onion peeling: It will take time, hopefully this was a layer peeled and people get educated about behavior equally or more than their riding skills. We need a new ''normal''.
One step towards this might be to allow snaffle bits or bitless bridles. Or a neckrope, for that matter. If a horse is truly correctly ridden, everything can be done with seat and weight, position of the leg. And probably reconsider allow using your voice to communicate. Why not? Extra points could be given for use of less equipment.
Yes, that would require a whole new thinking and basically a reformation from the ground up. And the German Warmblood might not be as prominent as currently.
I can't speak for everyone but I was taught to be physical with horses by riding coaches. They would tell you to hit and show the horse who is the boss. When you realise as you grow and mature as a rider, the culture does encourage behaviour and normalise handling them physically. I now am a completely different rider and will never advocate for that behaviour. FEI need to make policy change, if the sport is not already significantly damaged and or destroyed.
Shelby raises relevant points and no rider is above reproach.
My dad was my trainer and taught me just the opposite. No whips, crops, and spurs! He instilled in me that my horse's welfare takes priority over my goals and ambition. That was 40 years ago and I still ride with that mentality today.❤
I think part of it is getting judges need to start penalizing riders who are using Rolkur
@@sharihazlett3774 totally agree!
This will be the next target I hope as the general public will now be really focused on the Olympic dressage
Yes. Judging dictates how people make their horses perform. This is true of ALL equestrian disciplines.
You stated good info and your thought processes were very clear .. Thank You. No horses here, but I subscribe to several horse channels on YT and am learning a lot and being the recipient 30:36 of beautiful horse videos .. again Thanks for caring so much and learning so much each day and disseminating what you’ve learned!! A lot of peoples’ eyes are being opened I bet!! God Bless You, your mom and all you love.
Well said. You are very wise Shelby.
Totally agree ❤❤❤❤
That Carl Hester signed seems like such a betrayal of his protege. I get that he’s trying to not go down with the ship, but damn. They’re all as terrible to each other as they are to the horses.
I think that your views on reforming individuals are very noble and I also have trouble seeing that it would happen. Working with powerful individuals in a different field, there are personality traits that put these people on top and they’re always going to “do what it takes.”
I think most, if not all of us were taught that way to treat horses. I basically rode at YMCA camps until college and people would kick, punch, etc there. Then I was given the slowest horse and a crop freshman year of college in class and the competition team. It totally permeated the culture back then. It was also when I stopped doing anything with horses all together. 😕
@@beryldiamondsorry to hear that.
He's the one that taught her how to train!
@@WoundedWarrior2012 right?! And I heard it happened in his yard but I don’t know the validity of the statement.
That is so well said ❤
Thanks for sharing, very insightful
We live in a society where we have to blame, and that blame automatically means hate. We also live in a society where hate means cancel culture unfournately. She is someone who really needs to learn a lesson, and someone needs to be the first to be taught a lesson. It makes me so glad, that I never really idolized anyone growing up.
I am very mad that horses get abused . And because of that I was mad in the video.
But I did not feel like commenting on her page . There are a lot of mean video's made toward Charlotte and the one that made the video public. People need to be held accountable. But like you said, she is probably not a pure evil person . I hope she wil get better and heal from her past.
I think we need to think more before commenting . That way our response is critique and not going towards severe hate.
For me it takes a bit of time to not just be mad . It's just so hard to feel empathy when you just find things like this out. I hope the sport in general will become better for horse and human.
“A culture of violence in the horse world” sums up the situation nicely. But Dujardin’s is not being made a scapegoat arbitrarily; it’s simply that she is the one who has been caught. And what she is seen doing in the video is totally horrific and cannot be justified however much you try to analyse it.
A very well rounded and thought out response, thank you Shelby
dressage needs to be overhauled top to bottom. Eventing has become beyond a joke with horses expected to jump insane fences that are completely unreasonable! It’s time for an overhaul full stop!
So tired of this gaslighting. What she did amounts to sociopathy. There is no chance of change in these people. When you abuse as callously, coldly and deliberately as she did with no conflict in her behaviour, under no stress, admitting it's systematic by referring to the whip as not good enough for hitting hard enough) we are talking about a personality disorder.
And obviously no inferred learnings from getting dq'ed at the Europeans for blood on Freestyle flanks. And no reflections from other scandals prior to her episode, Helgstrand's for instance.
She's had decades to reform. So has Hester. So has Werth. So has Helgstrand.
Maintaining hope only makes them laugh behind your back and sends the signal that they are getting away with it.
It actually makes me think there needs to be a report to social services for a welfare check on her kid. Who knows what she does when she lacks empathy clearly.
It's all just so depressing.
I noticed that Charlottes new horse was moving like a robot and wringing its tail. I wondered what was going on with that horse. I know nothing about the dressage world, but I was puzzled.
hey it is not restarting, we can hear you from the beginning.
I have seen the video of the whipping on the ground with a rider aboard. Terrific danger for the rider & terrible abuse of the horse. I have taught many horses of many breeds to be ridden. Have NEVER used whips, spurs or any kind of electrical device on any of them including our present farms Thoroughbred sire of Seattle Slew / Northern Dancer lines. He was the most difficult challenging horse in the last 40+ years of teaching horses to be ridden. He is very smart! Also strong & is able to knock down entire barn walls if he wishes to. He has done that in the past. It took me & a friend an hour to reinstall the stall wall that only took him 1 minute to knock down! We use natural methods of pressure / release & give & take to teach any horse to be ridden. Don`t want any horse to ever be afraid of me or other people. We also utilize hot weather as an ally when teaching an especially difficult challenging horse to be ridden. Our present farm sire was never a bucking horse. He was a head thrower type. At 1st we only wanted to him accept us on his back bareback with no saddle. Later asking him to walk only. Afterwards he at times would throw his head around but due to the hot temps would stop & just walk which is all we wanted at 1st. We ignored the head tossing as it was a lot of work doing that for him in hot weather. Eventually he would quit & we could get him to just walk around the front of the farm quietly as he figured out that was easiest. Later after some time we started riding down the county road in front of our farm. We always leave farm gates open just in case he might return without us & so he can come back to farm safely. He is a good riding horse. Very strong & has a ground covering stride at all gaits. Sometimes wonder why we ever went to vehicles. I can actually get to my neighbors shop 1/2 mile away as fast as when driving 1 of the farm trucks. Harder riding though when tired. Riding is very much a physical activity especially with a spirited horse!
Everyone is trying to shoot the messenger. The fault is down to one person..C. Dujardin..!!
A couple remarks:
- If the rider is not capable to do certain exercises, the trainer gets frustrated and the horse gets beaten. I've seen it so many times at every level. Most of the times, people don't have to be helped with horse problems, but horses with people problems.
- The rider allowed this abuse. Thinking (as a rider) this is normal is admitting you are naive or stupid. No punishment here?
- The one that filmed this was laughing. No punishment here?
- After several years and just before the games, this video surfaces. Coincidence seems to exist?
- These kinds of abuse have to be tackeled, but as long as FEI judges give higher points to horses trained with rollkür, to horses that are beaten into obediance, to horses that are kicked into doing exercises than to horses that ride anatomically correct, abuse is rewarded. As long as FEI rules force double bridels in stead of favoring more gentle methods (I know, a good hand rides a double bridle as soft as a single one, but a frustrated hand does not), as long as spurs are the rule in stead of a point looser, ... Nothing will change.
In this case, not only Mrs. Dujardin, but the entire FEI and the rider should face the consequences of their attitudes towards animals. But they will punish Mrs. Dujardin and then... bussiness as usual... lots of points for the next abuser (as long as no one else has a video...)
So much of what you said I agree with. I totally agree its endemic..... I personally don't like the destruction of a human either. She could speak out but she will be even more finished if she does. The industry is a multi million pound thing and it will protect its self. She was certainly ott out of order etc but equally the hatred going to her.... I can't join that either.
I was so disappointed to see what she was doing.... Really was so disappointed! I was surprised as though this kind of brutality has been out there years ago but I thought things had changed.
I am sure she her self was taught 'this is what you do'..... I suspect by someone who has condemned her to! It doesn't make it right but it is part of a kind of culture that was about years ago. It gets results in terms of team success but its NOT RIGHT!!!
I'm sorry but WHO cares who reported it!! Let's put the blame where it belongs!! The abuser! I've been riding my whole life and have had some really awful abusive trainers to the students who were mainly children and to the horses. This has been a huge issue in all the equestrian disciplines, hunter/jumper trainers and top riders are no better. I remember when rapping horses was a huge issue, for those who don't know, two people hold the pole on either side and as the horse jumps they smash it into the horses legs so they are terrified to touch the poles and over jump. That was banned decades ago but I'm sure people are still doing it!! I remember way back seeing trainers doing that to horses in the hitching ring in front of people!!
I bought my last horse, an FEI dressage horse, from a well known professional trainer and it was CLEAR my horse was terribly abused by him and he fell apart in the first year because he had been so badly abused and pushed way too fast and way too hard. This is happening across the board. It's ALL WRONG!! People need to be kinder to horses. It's certainly not just show horses. Look at racing. Horses are beaten in every single race which I think is a horrible sport.
If you go to a horse auction you will see the THE MOST ABUSED horses imaginable!! There's no way I could go in person, I'd get arrested!! And no one is punishes them, they dump them off at the auction after they have beaten and starved these poor horses to near death and many of them end up in the slaughter pipe line. I think how we treat horses should be looked at from all levels because horses are suffering and it's not fair. Trainers need to be held accountable as well. I had very abusive trainers who would encourage me to harm my horses and this made me crazy and ended up ending in a lot of yelling, screaming and me sobbing. Show barns is where I saw the worst abuse. I was traumatized by what I saw and endured. Seeing horses being horrifically abused by a crazy trainer. I bought one of his jumpers just to save him from the abuse and he was in horrific shape but did amazing once I earned his trust!
The trouble with Charlotte is we don't know how much she beat her horses. I used to admire her because I thought she was a rider who put her horse first and didn't use abuse in her training and that was clearly naive of me. Every horse I've ever owned...and I hate that term 'owned'.... were severely abused prior and working through all their issues and gaining their trust after all that abuse taught me so much and made me a more understanding, patient and compassionate rider, not saying I was perfect every day but I fought hard against abuse starting very young even when my trainers were encouraging me to be. I'm not defending Charlotte and I'm not giving her a pass. The way she went at that horse, she was even whipping him when he was doing what the rider was asking even while getting whipped. It seemed that she was enjoying it and doing it just for the sake of doing it. The poor horse was so confused and didn't understand why he was being punished. When a trainer wants more canter, it's up the rider to ask for that canter and if the rider can't do it, perhaps the rider is not at the level they need to be at for that horse. If any of my trainers ever chased my around the ring whipping my horse I would have gotten off and punched them in the face, period! Male of female!! Teenager or adult! It IS WRONG! I've seen trainers lightly tapping their hind legs with a lunge whip when the horse is learning to piaffe. NOT whipping, tapping. Nothing that would cause any kind of harm. But that was not what she was doing!
It was vindictive and mean and didn't help the horse understand a damn thing other than being terrified to the point of trying to defend himself by nearly kicking her and I wish he did because maybe she would have gotten the hint!
Trainers are not the end all be all. They are NOT God and you don't have to listen to them or allow them to be abusive. FIND A NEW TRAINER!!! If my child was in a lesson and that was happening, that would be it, I would find a new trainer and I would report them. That is not how you train children to ride nor is it how you train horses. And she should have known better, she traumatized that horse instead of training him!! And traumatized the rider who learned nothing! If the rider's seat is not strong enough, put her back on the lunge and take away her stirrups to develop her seat, don't beat the horse FFS! Any trainer who is still teaching with these abusive archaic ways should lose their jobs period. If you're having a bad day, don't get on your horse. Go to the gym, take up boxing, but don't take it out on your horse. It's pure evil and those scars are often invisible but very much there for life. So, no, I'm not giving her a pass and she better learn or she will just make sure no one has a cell phone in the arena and continue abusing. She is probably a compulsive abuser and even if she was taught that way, WAKE UP and realize this is NOT right and this will never get you the results you want. Is that horse better because she chased him around the arena with a whip beating him, NO!!! He now has issues thanks to her outburst and the fact that the horse was not being bad, it was the rider who wasn't doing her job. She could have got him into a more forward canter very easily by using her aids and Charlotte should have taught her how. She failed as a trainer and as a rider and what if that horse freaked out and the student fell off and got seriously injured??? That would have been her fault 100%!!! She endangered that rider's safety for NO good reason!! And abused the poor horse so Fk her! She knew it was wrong and did it anyway and clearly does it a lot!!
Let her learn by losing her sponsors and missing the Olympics but she will be back but I'm she takes an anger management class first.
Sorry for the rant, it just pisses me off to no end, I expected better from her.
Banning Equestrian (so called) 'athletes' from the Olympics has been talked about for yours, now after Charlotte's whipping and the Danish cruelty scandals I have a feeling it'll be out..............AND don't underestimate the political clout PETA has, they're out to win this one!🙂
All you have to do is care about the horse as a living being, and not a machine. Also humans are natural predators and horses are prey animals and far more sensitive in every way than humans.In this case humans are using horses cruelly simply to serve their own egos. Enlightenment is badly needed.
Spurs and double bridles must be banned.