This is a REALLY fun power to use when you play as a Banu Haquim, you can use it while invisible and muted thanks to Obfuscate, and you can get in and out of reach if you also have Celerity (by that point it's like 3 rouse checks, but it still holds), The Judges are a really fun clan to play as, and a really terrifiing enemy to have.
The mixing of Thaumaturgy and Quietus to make Blood Sorcery is such an underrated accomplishment for v5. I love this. Everyone likes to bitch about how Thaum is gone but I see this as an amazing adaptation for both the lore and the playability of the Tremere and the Banu Haqim.
I think Lure of Flames needs to come back as a single Level 4 or 5 power for Blood Sorcery. Most of the paths only had 1-2 real powers and 3-4 'filler' levels. If you plucked out those and had them as power options, the '5 Levels, 5 powers' mechanic still means you can't get too crazy with it - throwing fire means you passed up conjuring golems and flying. No two Sorcerors are likely to make the same picks, you retain the versatility of Thaumaturgy, and you get the agonizing choices of a handful of capabilities from a vast menu. It's also easier to say 'The Pyramid once enforced a specific, ordered, methodical, curriculum of training exercises progressing each field of study, but now only a handful of the most practical techniques are hurriedly taught to new sorcerors from the fragments of old notes, half-burned tomes, and a newly-forming oral tradition. The techniques that remain are as terrifying as ever, but without the disciplined pursuit of theory the heydey of Thaumaturgical research and development has come to a definite close. Many sorcerors now ply their craft by rote, with little understanding of how these powers fundamentally work, and those few who escaped the pyres of Vienna with their precious knowledge share it with no one.'
I'm enjoying the ritual modification of the paths. I do think they should have some better uses, such as being able to do a ritual to charge a flame bolt or something like that but it only allows a specific number of uses.
Love this. Remind me that scene from Constantine movie when Balthazar is just sipping water and with simple gaze just killing the priest... Players are usually meh coz its very subtle power. But on contrary I love it. My ex ST also allowed me to use it on humans. Practically the same way as Blood Purge in Bloodlines...
Subtly is an art and an important one. I find the powers that cause the most issue while the caster is just sitting there to be the most terrifying. I love the idea of using it like blood purge.
You can do this to a popular kindred to ruined them! Or more importantly, force them to break the masquerade by their own Beastly hunger, which can give you an exude to the prince to bloodhunt them. Or in combat , where you really really in situation that you needed to weaken your enemy so you would’ve have more odd to win or at least survive their attack for tonight .
Actually, while you'll gain no friends for it, you may be able to prevent combats with this power. Get in a few Extinguishes while everyone is talking and they might be reluctant to start anything knowing that if they do they're under a huge disadvantage.
it just makes sense to exist with the new Hunger System. Just love this one. And yeah, while some stuff could make a comeback, all this elemental and psychic paths were just too much/silly. I would wish for a successor to Rites of the Blood (and the others), with integrated old thaumaturgy, necromancy etc into v5 which fits and saying what happened with the rest. and might be a place to focus on sth unique like the others did. could almost count on it if they still plan new books for that line.
I've been able to throw the other Thaum and Necro disciplines in pretty easy. Haven't done much with them in TTW as of yet but we'll see how that goes.
So some thoughts on this one. It doesn't seem like Fortitude counters this at all making it a fairly good bet against older Ventrue and such for levelling the playing field. Also it being line of sight is interesting. It's probably not intentional but could a Lasombra with Shadow Perspective target kindred remotely with this? Regardless it's a pretty good power to have and a scary one to be on the other end of. My own Tremere had it but she mostly fought hunters so it never came up unfortunately.
I personally see no reason not to let a player with shadow perspective use this. They spent the time and experience to get those two disciplines that are massively diverse. Let them have their toys.
3:52 Why would you take occult now, though? Now that Thaumaturgy has been zapped, you're not going to have the same troubles or opportunities with it. Your player base is niether shoveling a few points in to be ready to capitalize if they should ever find a way to bend the Tremere over a barrel and achieve the powergamer's dream: to get Thaumaturgy without being a Tremere; nor do they need occult to navigate which of the multiple dozens of nasty Thaum things might be happening or could happen...now that there're only like five.
My thought is that knowledge of the Occult, which the Skill represents has nothing to do with the ability to use Blood Sorcery or similar gifts. That being said, the Occult skill being knowledge in the occult could help with knowledge rolls or the protection against mystical gifts.
Sneaky and highly useful, imagine this on the hands of a Baali for example: they make you try to talk to them and when you finally try to fight them... Why can't I use my disciplines? Why am I hungry? Oh crap they set themselves on green fire and are gonna kill me! RUN!
Its an interesting in combat power, but semi situational, given this can majorly backfire into hunger frenzied kindred and strong brawl pool doesn't seem average for tremere. It also falls under the Spark of Rage and Brujah problem, of you whether rightfully or not are now a scape goat when people unexpectedly frenzy. As for why occult isn't so prevalent, I'd say its a casualty of trying to make things more street level in V5 and not yet having full splat books for many WoD races, thus less scenarios where it is relevant, especially for a starting character.
Interrupting part of a DIVINE CURSE given 1,000s of years ago to an ENTIRE RACE of supernatural people(that means interfering with their very DNA) at lower levels is FINE, but doing something that amounts to throwing a lit book of matches (that is about a dollar) is OP??? Ummm...
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This is a REALLY fun power to use when you play as a Banu Haquim, you can use it while invisible and muted thanks to Obfuscate, and you can get in and out of reach if you also have Celerity (by that point it's like 3 rouse checks, but it still holds), The Judges are a really fun clan to play as, and a really terrifiing enemy to have.
The mixing of Thaumaturgy and Quietus to make Blood Sorcery is such an underrated accomplishment for v5. I love this. Everyone likes to bitch about how Thaum is gone but I see this as an amazing adaptation for both the lore and the playability of the Tremere and the Banu Haqim.
Feel like that would run afoul of the hostile action drops obfuscate clause.
I think Lure of Flames needs to come back as a single Level 4 or 5 power for Blood Sorcery. Most of the paths only had 1-2 real powers and 3-4 'filler'
levels. If you plucked out those and had them as power options, the '5 Levels, 5 powers' mechanic still means you can't get too crazy with it - throwing fire means you passed up conjuring golems and flying. No two Sorcerors are likely to make the same picks, you retain the versatility of Thaumaturgy, and you get the agonizing choices of a handful of capabilities from a vast menu. It's also easier to say
'The Pyramid once enforced a specific, ordered, methodical, curriculum of training exercises progressing each field of study, but now only a handful of the most practical techniques are hurriedly taught to new sorcerors from the fragments of old notes, half-burned tomes, and a newly-forming oral tradition. The techniques that remain are as terrifying as ever, but without the disciplined pursuit of theory the heydey of Thaumaturgical research and development has come to a definite close. Many sorcerors now ply their craft by rote, with little understanding of how these powers fundamentally work, and those few who escaped the pyres of Vienna with their precious knowledge share it with no one.'
I'm enjoying the ritual modification of the paths. I do think they should have some better uses, such as being able to do a ritual to charge a flame bolt or something like that but it only allows a specific number of uses.
Oh, I believe Valerius knows how effective this one can be...
Too soon.
It's a great power. Not flashy but effective.
I agree. Probably one of my favorite Blood Sorcery powers.
Love this. Remind me that scene from Constantine movie when Balthazar is just sipping water and with simple gaze just killing the priest...
Players are usually meh coz its very subtle power. But on contrary I love it.
My ex ST also allowed me to use it on humans. Practically the same way as Blood Purge in Bloodlines...
Subtly is an art and an important one. I find the powers that cause the most issue while the caster is just sitting there to be the most terrifying. I love the idea of using it like blood purge.
You can do this to a popular kindred to ruined them! Or more importantly, force them to break the masquerade by their own Beastly hunger, which can give you an exude to the prince to bloodhunt them.
Or in combat , where you really really in situation that you needed to weaken your enemy so you would’ve have more odd to win or at least survive their attack for tonight .
Actually, while you'll gain no friends for it, you may be able to prevent combats with this power. Get in a few Extinguishes while everyone is talking and they might be reluctant to start anything knowing that if they do they're under a huge disadvantage.
@ Skeleton king~ I find this as a great tool for any warrior Tremere.
@ daviga~ I respect anything that can drown out a direct combat early on.
it just makes sense to exist with the new Hunger System. Just love this one. And yeah, while some stuff could make a comeback, all this elemental and psychic paths were just too much/silly. I would wish for a successor to Rites of the Blood (and the others), with integrated old thaumaturgy, necromancy etc into v5 which fits and saying what happened with the rest. and might be a place to focus on sth unique like the others did. could almost count on it if they still plan new books for that line.
I've been able to throw the other Thaum and Necro disciplines in pretty easy. Haven't done much with them in TTW as of yet but we'll see how that goes.
So some thoughts on this one. It doesn't seem like Fortitude counters this at all making it a fairly good bet against older Ventrue and such for levelling the playing field.
Also it being line of sight is interesting. It's probably not intentional but could a Lasombra with Shadow Perspective target kindred remotely with this?
Regardless it's a pretty good power to have and a scary one to be on the other end of.
My own Tremere had it but she mostly fought hunters so it never came up unfortunately.
I personally see no reason not to let a player with shadow perspective use this. They spent the time and experience to get those two disciplines that are massively diverse. Let them have their toys.
Anything with line of sight can be used through through binoculars also imagine if you get multiple vampires to do this to one individual
That's nasty... I like it.
3:52 Why would you take occult now, though? Now that Thaumaturgy has been zapped, you're not going to have the same troubles or opportunities with it. Your player base is niether shoveling a few points in to be ready to capitalize if they should ever find a way to bend the Tremere over a barrel and achieve the powergamer's dream: to get Thaumaturgy without being a Tremere; nor do they need occult to navigate which of the multiple dozens of nasty Thaum things might be happening or could happen...now that there're only like five.
My thought is that knowledge of the Occult, which the Skill represents has nothing to do with the ability to use Blood Sorcery or similar gifts. That being said, the Occult skill being knowledge in the occult could help with knowledge rolls or the protection against mystical gifts.
@@VoivodeMekhet Oh I know. I'm saying the *reasons* fewer players take occult now is because Thaumaturgy's been cut off at the heels
Sneaky and highly useful, imagine this on the hands of a Baali for example:
they make you try to talk to them and when you finally try to fight them... Why can't I use my disciplines? Why am I hungry? Oh crap they set themselves on green fire and are gonna kill me! RUN!
Yes! Kind of reminds me of the "Star body" cultist in the Mask of the Red Death trilogy. Thy were the precursors to the Baali.
Its an interesting in combat power, but semi situational, given this can majorly backfire into hunger frenzied kindred and strong brawl pool doesn't seem average for tremere. It also falls under the Spark of Rage and Brujah problem, of you whether rightfully or not are now a scape goat when people unexpectedly frenzy.
As for why occult isn't so prevalent, I'd say its a casualty of trying to make things more street level in V5 and not yet having full splat books for many WoD races, thus less scenarios where it is relevant, especially for a starting character.
Had this used on my character durring a close quarters interrogation. This sucked so much!
Extinguish Vitae is one hell of a tool.
Interrupting part of a DIVINE CURSE given 1,000s of years ago to an ENTIRE RACE of supernatural people(that means interfering with their very DNA) at lower levels is FINE, but doing something that amounts to throwing a lit book of matches (that is about a dollar) is OP??? Ummm...
lol, touché