Corwin, Jesse are joined by special guests Poc and Julia to discuss some of the most recent NHL drafts, how they have shaped the landscape of the current NHL and how each draft could have changed with hindsight.
Thomas Harley, Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven, and Mavrik Bourque are all looking like steals too. Excellent drafting by Jim Nill over the last several years.
Brady is a better hockey player, better for the team than any other player on that list. Easily the most important to a team. It’s a Torontonian answer to want Quinn over Brady, so I understand where that thought comes from. But yeah Quinn is having a great start to the season. Re-draft, Brady is the answer.
I just think Jesper Bratt at least should have been mentioned for the 2016 redraft, my man was originally chosen as the 162nd pick and is definately one in the top 10 of that draft
@LETZGONHLdraftyeah but his team might not make the playoffs so until they’re clearly in or it’s at the end of the season and people are taking a look at his stats he won’t get enough votes
@LETZGONHLdraft He is on the same team he was on last year, except he has a top 4 d partner now and is the Captain. He actually lost a 40 goal scorer in Bo horvat as well, he is the best player on his team that is doing amazing right now. He is making records that no dmen since Orr and al macinnis have. That isn't because the Canucks are decent. He was the leading Hart candidate for like a month this season as well.
julia: (proceeds to list every single qualifier to be a franchise cornerstone when describing quinn hughes) also julia: "i just think tkachuk is that guy you build a team around cuz he just feeeels like a captain"
@@Mediumreginald Hughes is the leading hart and Norris trophy candidate rn and tkachuk hasn't even passed 90 points and isn't even the best player on his own team sorry that you're delusional
In Quinn Hughes first two years he was already breaking records on a bad team, and he continues to make new ones VS Powers, hard to image he'll be better than Hughes in his peek
When even 5-8 years later we can't get a real consensus on those top 5 lists from passionate fans, imagine how hard it is to rank them when they are 18 years old. Drafts are something else but that's why I'm enjoying them so much.
As a Canucks fan 2016 draft was rough, I would’ve loved McAvoy on the team. 2017 & 2018 draft though, we struck gold. The Quinn Hughes disrespect is kind of crazy, but it’s your redraft so I’m not going to judge.
Good defensemen are way more important now than ever especially with the speed and skill of todays game.... they are like point guards on basketball teams. They drive every play and put up the most minutes on each team. Teams can have amazing forwards and still lose games. It's hard to beat teams with amazing defensemen.
1 month later, Slafkovsky keeps showing that your evaluation is so damn off, love it! xD Also Nemec killing it for Devils, what the hell is Jesse on, clueless opinions xDD
@@jan_hamara your original point was that the evaluation is off, mintyukov has almost the same amount of points as Juraj in 9 less games played as a D on a worse team than mtl. Cooley has more points in less games than juraj.
Raymond has started the season a bit slow while Larkin and Cat were lighting it up, but ever since Cat cooled off, he's been the main offensive weapon for the team along with Larkin. Last year he had his sophomore slump but honestly I think this year he'll have a 65+ point season and he's not even playing PP1 most of the time.
What about Jake Oettinger for 2017?? I think he’s more impactful than Hischier at that #5 spot. That would also be cool cause then it’s three stars players that would crack the top 5 and imagine if it happened; the Canucks would have Demko and Oettinger 👀 nasty
So you admit that Quinn Hughes is probably the best player in the league at the moment, but you'll take the 70 point winger instead because you just like his vibes better?
Maybe Hughes has Captain Serious vibes on the team, as a Canucks fan I understand why he's captain and its good Petty didn't get the C given his contract holdout. JT is a bit too emotional for the C as well so really only Hughes is left.
The Wild would be better at Drafting if our former coach had actually used our top draft picks actively. Best players this year so far have been young players with the exception of Kap and Boldy.
You guys are underrating nico hieshier he is one of those players that might not look amazing on stat sheets but when you see him live he blows you away
Yeah, really not understanding it. He's been getting better and better, especially this season. Really playing with more confidence and physicality. Good head on his shoulders as well. People are clearly not paying attention to the little things he does well.
For me only Raymond and Stutzle would make the top 5 that were originally in the top 5. I think Perfetti, Lundell, Mercer, and Jarvis have been better than the other players in the top 5.
as a Sens fan… Sanderson is more valuable than stutzle and should of gone #1. Points are great but Sanderson is f-ing near flawless and he’s played 1 year.
I’d be interested to see what Robert Thomas’ status would be if he played for a less mid team. The guy is definitely one of the best passers in the league.
Lucas Raymond is looking like a much more complete player than Stutzle after this year. Guy put on some lbs and got stronger and then executed like he said he would, dude was a dog on the ice all year people just talk about points which he also has but that part of his game isn’t really quantifiable, even though it adds so much to a players game and their value on a team
Lmfaoooo just goes to show, Quinn Hughes can literally lead the league in points as a dman and captain a team from the basement to the top, and he'll still get passed over for a winger who's well below a ppg on a middling-bad team. 😂😂 That's fine, keep sleeping, that's how we got him at 7 so all I can say is thank you. ❤
As we go into December, you guys should do a pod on a preview of this years WJC. Look at some of the teams or standout players you expect to make it, bubble players, etc.
2018 Brady is #1 no question, also the reason the Sens haven’t taken the next step is because they still have DJ smith as head coach!!! Fire DJ already OMG😭😭
It has to be taken into consideration who these guys play behind. Byram plays behind Toews and Makar and for that reason is current ceiling is PP2. Power plays behind Dahlin, who has PP1 locked up and the play flows through him. These guys haven't shown it because they haven't been given the opportunity to. I think the Power Hedman comparison is very fair, and I also think Guhle and Byram have a very similar play style as well. Guhle is in a different pair of shoes in Montreal with less consistency/skill around him but both of them show flashes of being stars when they are in control of the play. They just don't get the points to show for it due to who is around them at the time.
I have a thought for a podcast, Top 5 Undrafted NHL players past present and future Top 5 undrafted that are retired or out of the NHL Top 5 undrafted Current NHL players Top 5 Undrafted players inAHL and/or currently signed to an NHL team Would be interesting to see the players that were passed over in drafts but still pressed on and made the show and proved the teams wrong about them.
Corwin sticking with Byfield at #2 was awesome to see. I'm glad people are acknowledging how great he has been this season, and how much potential he possesses. That's a Corwin 𝐖.
i wouldve put bedard at second only for one reason because if hes on the ducks the ducks have so many elite prospects and if thier roster grows together you may have 3 franchise players on one team
The fact that Dallas got Robertson, Heiskanen, and Oettinger in the same draft is insane
might be the best draft class for one team ever
True. Let's see if they can win a cup with them.
@@obscurereference6298up there with 1989 red wings draft class
Thomas Harley, Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven, and Mavrik Bourque are all looking like steals too. Excellent drafting by Jim Nill over the last several years.
no arguments here @@mchaseross13
Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes was absolutely insane by Julia lol
Putting him over either of Hughes or Dahlin is insane to me.
I'm so tired of how overrated B Tkachuk is. He's a very good player but some people think he's so much better than he is I don't get it
as a sens fan hes actually really good for the type of player he is
@@olivierpeartnoy
Brady is a better hockey player, better for the team than any other player on that list. Easily the most important to a team. It’s a Torontonian answer to want Quinn over Brady, so I understand where that thought comes from. But yeah Quinn is having a great start to the season. Re-draft, Brady is the answer.
@@Sens8909 See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Tkachuk is a great player but picking him over Hughes or Dahlin is mind-boggling to me
I just think Jesper Bratt at least should have been mentioned for the 2016 redraft, my man was originally chosen as the 162nd pick and is definately one in the top 10 of that draft
That’s what I was sayin. Can not believe he didn’t get the riser nod
He should have been the top riser for sure, I was going to ask why he wasn't mentioned
Ikr, rn he’s a first round player
Why was Quinn Hughes being one such a debate? Dude is clearly the best in his class.
They are a toronto media company, they rarely watch anything out west
@LETZGONHLdraftyeah but his team might not make the playoffs so until they’re clearly in or it’s at the end of the season and people are taking a look at his stats he won’t get enough votes
@LETZGONHLdraft
Quinn Hughes is on pace for:
30-93-123 Points
I won't even mention the others.
These guys originally had the Canucks pick Keller over Fox. They just didn't put much thought into the Canucks
@LETZGONHLdraft He is on the same team he was on last year, except he has a top 4 d partner now and is the Captain.
He actually lost a 40 goal scorer in Bo horvat as well, he is the best player on his team that is doing amazing right now.
He is making records that no dmen since Orr and al macinnis have. That isn't because the Canucks are decent. He was the leading Hart candidate for like a month this season as well.
julia: (proceeds to list every single qualifier to be a franchise cornerstone when describing quinn hughes)
also julia: "i just think tkachuk is that guy you build a team around cuz he just feeeels like a captain"
Sorry you can’t admit she’s right
@@Mediumreginald Hughes is the leading hart and Norris trophy candidate rn and tkachuk hasn't even passed 90 points and isn't even the best player on his own team
sorry that you're delusional
@Tedmetal666 facts and emotions can all be right lol😅
I kinda agree with her tbh. If you’re building a Stanley cup caliber team, Brady makes a lot of sense
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa369 bro the senators have never made the playoffs with brady, at least quinn has had a run
In Quinn Hughes first two years he was already breaking records on a bad team, and he continues to make new ones VS Powers, hard to image he'll be better than Hughes in his peek
The chaos without DZ there to herd these cats is PALPABLE
When even 5-8 years later we can't get a real consensus on those top 5 lists from passionate fans, imagine how hard it is to rank them when they are 18 years old. Drafts are something else but that's why I'm enjoying them so much.
What a surprise, no Jake Ottinger for the 2017 draft for Corwin lmao
Robertson ahead of Heiskanen is crazy. Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes is insanity! Wouldn't have Brady in my top 3
THIS
Good job on the consistency folks! I'm proud of you guys.
Also, Corwin: "What is a defenseman but a Goalie with a different stick?"
2016 biggest riser HAS TO BE Jesper Bratt
He went in the 6th rd!!!
As a Canucks fan 2016 draft was rough, I would’ve loved McAvoy on the team. 2017 & 2018 draft though, we struck gold. The Quinn Hughes disrespect is kind of crazy, but it’s your redraft so I’m not going to judge.
damn, big diss to hischier. Hes a cornerstone. two way complete player.
so disappointed in you corwin. no team should be disappointed in getting Nico. Selke nominee last year, captain, reliable, the best guy all around.
Right! Elite 2 way player who can get 80 points a season (I think more)
How are you going to be disappointed
Good defensemen are way more important now than ever especially with the speed and skill of todays game.... they are like point guards on basketball teams. They drive every play and put up the most minutes on each team. Teams can have amazing forwards and still lose games. It's hard to beat teams with amazing defensemen.
McTavish getting disrespected here hes so good shouldve stayed 3rd to Anaheim at least imo
Nah bro what are you talking about? Obviously a goalie who's never played a game in the show is a much better pick.
1 month later, Slafkovsky keeps showing that your evaluation is so damn off, love it! xD Also Nemec killing it for Devils, what the hell is Jesse on, clueless opinions xDD
He has 7 goals in 49 games played lol I swear mtl fans think their players are god tier
@@bug0811 he's 19 lol, and his first full season 😄 seen Dubois's stats? Or do you expect 19 y.o. kid to slap in 30 goals on his first season?
@@jan_hamara your original point was that the evaluation is off, mintyukov has almost the same amount of points as Juraj in 9 less games played as a D on a worse team than mtl. Cooley has more points in less games than juraj.
@@bug0811 and evaluation was indeed off lol
And the Devils are terrible right now with Jack Hughes out and Nemec is still catching up to Mintyukov in points with less games played.
That entire 2016 top 5 re-draft is American - unreal class
Hello these people are just pod caster not real nhl experts.
Swayman and Oettinger not at least being mentioned is criminal. No goalie love
Raymond has started the season a bit slow while Larkin and Cat were lighting it up, but ever since Cat cooled off, he's been the main offensive weapon for the team along with Larkin. Last year he had his sophomore slump but honestly I think this year he'll have a 65+ point season and he's not even playing PP1 most of the time.
Brady tkachuk over dahlin and Hughes is laughable
no it's just sad.
As well as over Svech. Honestly I think he’s 5 imo.
What about Jake Oettinger for 2017?? I think he’s more impactful than Hischier at that #5 spot. That would also be cool cause then it’s three stars players that would crack the top 5 and imagine if it happened; the Canucks would have Demko and Oettinger 👀 nasty
2017, Jake Oettinger isn’t even an honourable mention 👀
Slaf kind of proving them wrong rn
Seriously disrespecting Raymond.....
Jessy talking down on slaf ,bet you are eating your socks now seeing him explode offensively lol
Kaiden Guhle is severely underrated.
He needs pp time
Which shouldn't be hard to do. Just take anderson out of pp1.
Just do 3 forward and 2 d.
Slafkovský is now almost point per game last 20 games, oh how wrong you were about him love it! Shame on you all who was throwing on him.
So you admit that Quinn Hughes is probably the best player in the league at the moment, but you'll take the 70 point winger instead because you just like his vibes better?
Quinn Hughes isn't even the best player on his team homie
@@shoeboxbistro and who would that be?
Toronto media talking about the Habs is so mind boggling, it's hard to watch
It's scary as a penguins fan realizing we haven't gotten many early draft selections and we are gonna be rebuilding in the coming years
It's not that scary. It's fun when you start hitting on new players and they start developing chemistry.
Penguins should have tanked for a year just to get a top prospect. Gonna need a Blackhawks level tank after syd goes
why tf is it scary? there's like 8 teams with cups the last 20 years and you have 3.
I think the 3 cups and watching Crosby, Malkin, and letang on your favorite team should hold you over for a while
Agree what Jesse says about Quinn Hughes.
20:56 Durzi was in the Muzzin trade. Trevor Moore was the return for Campbell.
Maybe Hughes has Captain Serious vibes on the team, as a Canucks fan I understand why he's captain and its good Petty didn't get the C given his contract holdout. JT is a bit too emotional for the C as well so really only Hughes is left.
morons: Brady is a good captain because he's emotional
also morons: JT cant be a captain because he's too emotional
.... morons
The Wild have been really good at drafting which is great news since we haven't won a game in three weeks
The Wild would be better at Drafting if our former coach had actually used our top draft picks actively. Best players this year so far have been young players with the exception of Kap and Boldy.
You guys are underrating nico hieshier he is one of those players that might not look amazing on stat sheets but when you see him live he blows you away
Canucks players always disrespected on the pod. Give me Quinn Hughes over Brady tkatchuk every god damn day what the hell is that take
I don't even think Ottawa fans would pick Brady Tkachuk over Quinn Hughes....
Corwin you are a casual for picking Raymond at 5. I hope you read this
For real, Raymond is more capable all around player every day and is scoring more right now too.
This hilarious hate train for Slafkovsky needs to stop
Yeah, really not understanding it. He's been getting better and better, especially this season. Really playing with more confidence and physicality. Good head on his shoulders as well. People are clearly not paying attention to the little things he does well.
Forget JUST this year. Hughes was first overall as of last year, you east coasters just havent seen it till now. Hes RIDICULOUS.
Brady over Quinn is one hot the hottest and worst takes ever in these podcasts!
Hughes it up, all the Hughes’ bros be picked in the first round top 10, and we got Nico in here to
Where does Jesper Bratt get drafted in that 2016 redraft?
Good player. Not better than Matthews, Tkachuk, Fox, Mcavoy, Thompson
I enjoyed Poc being here hahaha. Great interactions with Jesse
Robertson over Heiskenan is crazy talk
The absolute Heiskanen disrespect
Dude he’s really good but Makar, Pettersson, Robertson, and Oettinger were also taken in that draft
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson, easily. Deal with it.
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson is on pace for 30+goals and 100+points and will probably get selke votes this season
@LETZGONHLdraft Pettersson is in a slump right now and still producing at a point per game pace Heiskanen is playing at his best
I love the passion and trust Jesse puts in Owen Power, hope it turns out great for him
For me only Raymond and Stutzle would make the top 5 that were originally in the top 5. I think Perfetti, Lundell, Mercer, and Jarvis have been better than the other players in the top 5.
as a Sens fan… Sanderson is more valuable than stutzle and should of gone #1. Points are great but Sanderson is f-ing near flawless and he’s played 1 year.
Jesse has to re do the 2021 draft. In what world does mason Mctavish drop with the year he’s having
Jonathan Lekkerimäki will end up the top of the 2022 class by the end of the decade. Sick degree of natural talent. Mike Bossy like sniper.
It’s insane how stacked some of the more recent drafts have been
Looking back, the fact that some of them took other players over Johnston and Stankoven in 2021 is insane.
Where is the love for Zach Benson in the 2023 draft, he's got NHL games under his belt and is looking decent so far as an 18 year old
I know this is from a month ago but man with how Nemec has fit into the injury ridden Devils I am so happy we picked him
I’d be interested to see what Robert Thomas’ status would be if he played for a less mid team. The guy is definitely one of the best passers in the league.
Still can’t get over the red wings taking Zadina over Hughes
Lucas Raymond is looking like a much more complete player than Stutzle after this year. Guy put on some lbs and got stronger and then executed like he said he would, dude was a dog on the ice all year people just talk about points which he also has but that part of his game isn’t really quantifiable, even though it adds so much to a players game and their value on a team
How the fuck is Savoie ahead of Jiricek or Nemec xD
Tbh I think jesper bratt should have been in at least the top 10. Devils got the biggest steal of the draft
The fact that every highlight is a play against the red wings shows the red wings hate
Lucas Raymond should probably be third in the 2020 class, and sandin pelikka will be a riser in a few years
Considering Tkachuk or Dahlin over Quinn Hughes exemplifies the superficial understanding this panel has of hockey at the most fundamental level.
Lmfaoooo just goes to show, Quinn Hughes can literally lead the league in points as a dman and captain a team from the basement to the top, and he'll still get passed over for a winger who's well below a ppg on a middling-bad team. 😂😂 That's fine, keep sleeping, that's how we got him at 7 so all I can say is thank you. ❤
I can't think of any way i'd ever consider Brady over Quinn especially after this season
As we go into December, you guys should do a pod on a preview of this years WJC. Look at some of the teams or standout players you expect to make it, bubble players, etc.
Moore was the Clifford/Campbell move. We got Durzi in the move for Muzzin.
Nemec just played his first game, you guys can fix your top 5 for 2022 now 😉
id have brady 3 behind hughes & dahlin
is it just me or does it feel like all of these highlights are dunking on the Wings?
As a jets fan I’m crying we could have got thackuk
2018 Brady is #1 no question, also the reason the Sens haven’t taken the next step is because they still have DJ smith as head coach!!! Fire DJ already OMG😭😭
Wright doesnt even sniff the top 5
Jesper Bratt 2016? 6th round Pick
was just about to type that comment!
Keller to van is such a solid call ❤🎉 8:07
Tough one for Finnish players 😅 Maccelli was only one that got uplift, others went down
yup that 2016 youth world championship really pumped them up so high on the draft
Bouchard disrespect is crazy
quinn hughes is the undisputed 1st overall pick in 2018...
Top riser for the 2020 draft is Devon Levi, no question. he's a 7th rounder who has played NHL games after just turning 22 is crazy
jesse actually just made me depressed realizing we coulda taken tage over puljarvi😭
Matt Poitras in 2022 should be top 5 at this point
How about Dallas getting Miro Heiskanen, Jason Robertson, and Jake Oettinger all in the same draft in 2017.
Unreal
The GM for the Wild should be screaming at himself, he created the most dead cap space I’ve ever seen
23:57 LOL Corwin's reaction
Love Poc!
No mention of poitras is criminal
It has to be taken into consideration who these guys play behind. Byram plays behind Toews and Makar and for that reason is current ceiling is PP2. Power plays behind Dahlin, who has PP1 locked up and the play flows through him. These guys haven't shown it because they haven't been given the opportunity to. I think the Power Hedman comparison is very fair, and I also think Guhle and Byram have a very similar play style as well. Guhle is in a different pair of shoes in Montreal with less consistency/skill around him but both of them show flashes of being stars when they are in control of the play. They just don't get the points to show for it due to who is around them at the time.
I still think Kappo Kakko can turn things around and still see that huge potential in him
I have a thought for a podcast, Top 5 Undrafted NHL players past present and future
Top 5 undrafted that are retired or out of the NHL
Top 5 undrafted Current NHL players
Top 5 Undrafted players inAHL and/or currently signed to an NHL team
Would be interesting to see the players that were passed over in drafts but still pressed on and made the show and proved the teams wrong about them.
Imagine Quinn Hughes in International Competition and getting that kind of experience.
Corwin sticking with Byfield at #2 was awesome to see. I'm glad people are acknowledging how great he has been this season, and how much potential he possesses.
That's a Corwin 𝐖.
Julia needs to be on bar down content more often!
No Dustin Wolf as a riser from 2019 draft?
i wouldve put bedard at second only for one reason because if hes on the ducks the ducks have so many elite prospects and if thier roster grows together you may have 3 franchise players on one team
2020 riser has to be Devon Levi
So excited for you guys to come to Windsor !!!!!
I feel like even Lane Hutson should be in top 5 for sure
lol the Slafkovsky takes are aging poorly already
Always ready for a new podcast episode