Im like you MrO. I love pvp, very much so, but the odd farming, dungeon sessioning, achievements and pet hunts are just as important for days where i just wanna roll easy.
@@PageCZ Yes I would say it is 100% worth you both trying TL has some huge PvP fights for your bf and for you there is plenty of PvE also its free to play so you have nothing to lose.
The game is extremely young and global is soon. After global the game will have constant updates and PvE content added all the time. As a primarily PvE player I’m not worried at all. It’s F2P anyways, worst case, if they don’t keep up the PvE content then they just lose me as a player and I lose nothing.
No worries now as others have mentioned in the comments you do get benefits from doing PvP and holding riftstones & boonstones BUT the whole point of this video was to just let people know that you do not have to do any of that if you really wish not too.
I like the GW2 style open world dynamic events that happen every hour or so, always attracts tons of players. This is clear evidence that PVE is dominant.
TnL is 100% Guild and PvP "Focused" but there is a solid amount of PvE and they are adding more and more every update. Will you get MORE out of the game if you DO PvP? Yes. Will you 'run out' of PvE content if you never do PvP? Soft Maybe. lol
@@casediedwell5094 I agree they started out that way but they have quickly noticed that they need way more PvE which as you have said they have been adding constantly which is great for the game even though I am more of a PvP player I understand we need a good amount of PvE to keep the game going
ty for the vid. Solid concise info. we need more of this revolving around this game tbh. well done. ty for clearing up the dungeon thing , i had to clip that bit to send to a friend who was unsure about how it worked. Keep up the good work o7 .
@@ItsMrO i appreciate it! will definitely be watching. question, since i've never played before, do I get to choose which server I want to play in? if so, is it better to choose NA even though i'm EU based? or is EU active
@@ayenakoji Well theres no way to tell ahead of time which will be more active BUT at a guess its normally EU as we are much bigger but also yes I would advise you to choose EU servers for the best ping.
What people seem to not understand is that there's a whole ton of PvE, it just happens to be in service of building yourself up to express your earned power in PvP if you so choose.
So one thing I haven't been able to find is the penalties on death when you die in PvP. Few things I've seen so far looks pretty outdated....but talked about losing 5% experience each death, having to pay some form of currency to get it back? Based on what you mentioned in this vid we won't be griefed by PvP'ers if we just want to enjoy PvE content (ie: not going into dungeons at night?)
This has since been removed and changed you no longer lose anything from death and you can "cleanse" for free now instead you get a delayed respawn during PvP and yes that is correct if you wish to avoid any PvP just make sure you are not in Open World Dungeons during the night and also if there is a PvP event going on just leave that area.
So far the only negative thing I can say about this game is you can’t get to enjoy how beautiful the skills are and combos. Coz u constantly have to look at your skill cooldowns and skill hotkeys. How I wish there is a way to release ur combo like what cabal online did back then. For people who is saying there’s no PVE. well the festival in the desert while a gigantic sandworm jumps 100ft above ground looks like a great PVE feature to me. And this is just one of the many
Zerg guild domination with their allies will ruin the game, EU players and guilds play hardcore always to own everything at end game. So, what is going to happen whene the gear gap increasing between new, returning, casual, semi-hardcore players + clans and those zerg dominated clans? I like pvp but I love pve + sandbox + lore related main story quest and side story quests etc more but this game lacks pve and sandbox contents to keep you busy. I don't like mindless grind... instead of having some objectives along with your guild, similar to Archeage, Lineage 2, Blade & Soul, and Aion. Full pvp and p2w element mmorpgs always kill itself after 6 month or 12 months later. The game should make players to play in open world environment more than instanced zone pvp and pve areas.
Quick question though: Regarding GvG events, is there any gear that's going to be BiS involved, in the event that someone's guild is not in a position to win against other guilds, which causes players to miss the opportunity to get particular BiS gear?
I've only just been introduced to this game. I'm a LONG time mmo pvp player, but I enjoy smaller scale pvp (1-10 players per side). Will this game be a good experience for someone like me?
@@SinnfullDuck The PvP in this game is very large scale tbh the only small scale PvP currently is 3v3 Arena they said they are going to add Battlegrounds later on.
tldr reason why people say pvp focus is because the pve is for end game which is siege / GvG pvp. we arnt pveing to pve (raids and such tho they are adding it). you have some gear caps but its not like progressive pve like say ff14 or wow.
@@batman05655 Correct but my point was and still is many players have been getting put off with even trying this game because they assume and hear its just a PvP game and that is not the case many players can casually enjoy this game without doing any PvP at all if they dont wish too.
To be honest %90 percent of the stuff I agree with you, but the game is pay to progress its not pay to win. Also should consider the game play with guilds, because %90 percent of the time your guild going to ask you to be in PVP events in between bosses and PVP Guild events. That is what must the active guilds done nor they willing to do. However the choice left it to player but essentially guild is going to ask for PVP events.
My biggest issue is i feel they lost a lot of momentum by taking so long to launch global...now you have a whole bunch of games out and people have had the chance to rubbish t&l for months
@@PowPowKallli You dont buy skins from players those are sold in the store which you can buy with Lucent so even as a F2P you can sell items in the auction house and then buy those skins.
The game is Open World PVP. Before even release, they lost most of their future potential customers.The Throne and Liberty website clearly explains that PVP can be anywhere at night, also in dungeons and World Boss events. So basically anything fun might turn PVP at any time. Nobody lies,maybe the video creator does not know how to read? IT IS AT THE WEBSITE! Was that clear enough?
@@ItsMrO Translated “I don’t need to be informed. It does not matter if I tell people the wrong thing.” I just love when “TH-camrs” reply back without thinking. I also am very tired of all these try-hards trying to get people to play their game so they can “surprise” gank them. I saw enough of the video to know that you are trying promote an Open World PVP game. If you were not trying to promote it, you would not have made this video. Duh!
@@Oncewasgolden What are you even talking about lol this video is to literally tell people that DONT like PvP that they can play this game and enjoy the PvE without doing ANY PvP at all you have zero clue what you are talking about but thanks for the chat it made me laugh enjoy your day
Hi, I have been waiting for TL for a long time and I played a little bit in Korea and a little bit in Closed Beta. i will probably play the game alone and I love PvE content. Do you think I can play alone? How far can I go if I play alone? Thank you in advance.
I mean you can play "alone" as the Dungeons have cross-server matchmaking but you will do so much better if you join a guild there will be many guilds so I am sure you will be able to find a casual PvE one if you don't wish to take part in any PvP.
I wasn't really worried about there being too much PvP in the game but I am on the fence about whether or not to get this game, currently playing ESO but kinda tired of Bethesda's bs bosses and the decreased amount of xp you get without the enlightenment xp bonus so I been looking for a similar game but is throne and liberty worth getting and playing over ESO? It looks fun and interesting and definitely more detailed, just looking for opinions as I have seen throne and liberty on the playstation store and I'm curious.
@@thepainkiller5527 Its a free to play game so you have nothing to lose trying it out and seeing what you think, I would advise you not to buy the early access pack which is what you will see in the store and just wait till Oct 1st when the game will be launching for free 👍🏽 I have played and enjoyed ESO they are quite different games but like I say you have nothing to lose trying out this game 🙂.
@@Dustyfogz No the loot is the same the only thing is if you are doing the PvP boss and your guild kills everyone you have more chance to get a drop thats it.
Idk I played the beta and the combat felt like total ass. Its disappointing because I was pretty much certain that I was going to play this game long term, and I wasn't expecting to dislike the game fundamentally. I will try the game on launch but Im not very hopeful for this game anymore.
@@eatexp742 Thats fair its not a game for everyone and theres nothing wrong with that all I would say is just try it again on launch and see what you think as its free so no need to pay anything 👍🏽.
The newer p2w systems that were put in like the rune system on top of old p2w systems is what kinda drove me away... I did hear they updated some things to make the new p2w system less aggressive. Which still seems that the gap between f2p and whale players have increased. Now im on the fence. I think I will still play as a complete f2p player. If I still feel I'm getting power gapped in pvp towards the end of my grind (nearing the next vertical progression update), then ill probably just move on...
@@liamwilson7549 Im not ignoring anything? I have called them out for many things during the past 10months but if you dont like the game thats fine just go find one you enjoy 👍🏽.
You have not understood the video I made this video to let people know that now there is actually more then enough PvE for players to do that do NOT like PvP and they can avoid all of the PvP and still enjoy this game if they like.
People are always looking to make those ridiculous videos. T & L will do well on console especially PS5. There are console MMOs that are going to take a huge hit when this launches. PS5 had some many players and we had an amazing open beta turn out.
@@SukurHakan-hj6rf Its nothing like BDO to be honest also I wouldnt say the gfx are worse go watch some 4K epic videos of TL and you see how good the game can look
It is not global when it is not available at my region, SEA. Have been playing at Korean server, but the UI and conversations are not in 100% english! We want this game available for SEA region on Steam! Then that is called GLOBAL version!
@@my0866 Its really not that bad I have done everything since day 1 on the KR servers without spending any money but yes it has “P2W” it just depends on each person how bad it is and I mean the game is free so yeah upto you if you wish to try it on October 1st or not 👍🏽.
@@ItsMrO I appreciate your reply. I am always on the lookout for something exciting and new. Prob trying to relive something from my early days playing WOW but none the less I hold out hope that somethin will come along. I enjoy Diablo 4 at the moment. Throne and Liberty caught my attention with its graphics and some of the simple game play i saw. These types of games however rely heavily in having an active user base. IMO one of the reasons WOW currently suffers is not its active users but its lack of NEW active users. it's got to be intimidating to a new player to try to navigate 20 years of content. Throne and Liberty sounds great but once the player base falls off all those awesome mechanics and huge guild battles become stale and its prob tuff to maintain something. Now this is all before I heard anything about 'Pay 2 Win'. My question tho is WHY? Why have the P2W aspect? is this a feature that brings in players? is this some thing people want in a game and I am just out of touch? Regardless of the game I did enjoy your video and I am happy to sub.
@@420psilo Thank you very much I wasn't trying to be blunt sorry if it came across that way and no its not something people want in the game but sadly as it is a Korean MMORPG this is pretty much standard basically because over there its not seen as that much of a problem but out of all the P2W MMORPG's this is the most "fair" because as a F2P you can earn everything yes it will be slower but at least you can and I also understand this will still stop many people in the west from even playing the game and I can respect that all I ever say to people is the game is F2P so you lose nothing apart from some time trying it for yourself!
I had a look at it, getting more in-depth on the P2W aspect. It might be more fair to refer to it as Pay to Skip. lol. I appreciate the explanation about this being a typical Gaming model in Korea. I personally would rather pay for a game and perhaps a monthly fee for a good experience than a Free 2 Play. I always end up thinking to myself 'there's no such thing as a free lunch' So I am instantly suspicious. While the game and its model may not be for me at the end of the day if it makes the creators, who clearly put in a ton of work, money then its doing somethin right if its providing jobs and content in a very tough and unforgiving industry. lol thanks for the good convo my friend.
@@mindshifter5772 Only during the events / Open World Dungeons during the night and the PvP bosses and of course during the big siege war but general open world PvP at anytime no.
@@mindshifter5772yeah hyped to be perma ganked by the best guilds on the server and no hope at grinding and looting the best areas because of the best swipers.. sounds fun
@@illuminated1158 i play albion online ! i get ganked a lot but the game provide many ways to get away from those ganks or fight them depend on your skills. reason i had interest in this i saw KR streamer getting ganked while looting and he managed to kill 4 who were against him one by one. but it seems waste of time if im gonna gear up to use this gear on specific fixed zone or time for it.
@@leuterisarapoglou3745 You can buy items and gear off the auction house with Lucent which you can farm in game for free but you can also just buy Lucent with real money
Definitely plenty to do PvE, it is after all, how u gear to PvP. You can’t PvP without doing PvE but u can totally PvE without ever doing any PvP. What does that say? People say it’s PvP focused because PvE focused people basically can’t participate in PvP without getting wrecked or hiding in a Zerg. I’ve heard guildies actually quit playing because there isn’t enough PvP to do whenever u want. U can totally PvE whenever u want. PvP only at certain times or events makes it more PvE focused than PvE. What they need to do is make it so casual players can more easily participate in PvP without getting completely destroyed to top guilds who farm world bosses and whales who gear to the point u can’t even touch them.
So far NCsoft have done a great job of making changes so we will just have to wait and see what other changes will come to the game... For example we know that we are getting Battlegrounds soon and also supposedly a always on PvP zone and then around Jan they want to add a proper raid into the game... with regards to not getting destroyed by whales that will never happen when P2W is involved if you are a casual player.
The combat sucks ass brother. It is a pretty game but thats not a feat in 2024 where engines build graphics for you and all you gotta do is code in the gameplay. Nuh uh. No excuse.
worst thing about this game is pvp, it is complete trash, built around rng. You either one tap or get one tapped. Hit/evasion is prob worst mechanic that could be foundation of pvp. And I agree, this is PVE game with a mini games of PVP. PvP is pretty much pointless in this game, most of the time u just pve in this game.
Obviously you don't know how people on the west hate paid to win games. So you can promote all you want but once global go online it be popular for a bit into the whale star on the rampage killing the regular people specially whale guilds with their alliance whale so I give it like 2 to 3 months to start dying. The developer are aware about their paid to win model a youtuber told them but they are to arrogant to listen. So I just won't buy the game based on the developer attitude. So simple to take out the paid to win aspects on the game and just sell season passes and skins. What happened to EA Starwars loot boxes the game just sink down the drainer and is that story is just going to repeat again. And facks this game is more pvp oriented OK so get your story straight. My friend played this game and all I heard was that the strong guild (whale) together with their alliances (whale) will dominate the pvp aspect of the game and remember this is a pvp oriented game that has a bit of pve
@@MegaOneish Its a F2P game you dont need to buy it for one and for two this video was nothing to do with the P2W topic and finally if you dont like it then thats also fine just simply dont play it.
@@ItsMrOwhy you didn't talk about the guilds (whale) and their alliances (whales) dominate the pvp aspect be clear instead of promoting all the good but forget to mention the bad what kind of fun you think I will have by getting killed by whale? And those are facks
@@MegaOneish I have done many videos about the P2W and issues this game has had lol this whole videos point was to tell PVE players that they can actually enjoy this game without playing any kind of PVP also as a F2P myself since day 1 on the KR servers myself and my guild has done just fine even against whales it is what it is. If you dont like it then just move on and do something you like.
The pve is gated to only a couple runs a day, the events are every hr or 2 hrs, your chances of getting loot from world bosses by yourself is 0%. Open world dungeons are gated also. Pvp is more then you say. Also did you tell them about the big buffs you get holding the boonstones and castle?
The point of this discussion was more to let people know that they don't have to do be a PvP player if they don't want too as many people think that they cant play this game without PvP also at the endgame which is currently rune farming you are not time gated at all you have unlimited runs in the challenge dungeons.
unfortunately I tried beta, and now am in the game thru a VPN. Its NOT good...its just a mindless fetch quest/ tab target hybrid MMO thats been done 1000x before. Was stoked but after playing thru the VPN, i'm gonna hard pass. Good luck all.
Well I dont like P2W either but it is what it is you either dont play MMORPGS anymore as nearly every single one now days has some form of it in or you enjoy the game you like for what it is.
@@offclmichaelvery true even with BDO the best part of it is grinding for them juicy 100mil drops and farming for my next upgrade and the feeling of it is akin to buying your first big thing after your first job. Swiping for me would take the best part of the game away
Literally nobody said "the game is super hardcore pvp and there is no pve", you arguing against your own strawman at that point. The "outdated rubbish version of the game" was what you "played" for 7 months, why should ncsoft hide it in your opinion? They didnt even let people see half of the stuff? Yes, much like it will be at launch, where we will also be timegated by the game through its milestone system (which you could have known, if you really played since day 1). And again nobody said there is no pve and also nobody said that there is nothing to do in the game. Why are you arguing against your own created strawmans my dude? Kinda sick of you, Kanon, Invulnerable and others trying to praise the game (for what its obviously not) or hype people up because you get a paycheck from NCSoft while others might spend something in a game that is in such a bad state, it was fucking 10 years in development and is still what feels like an Alpha, there is a reason the game is still on the edge in Korea (if you count out all the people who gonna quit once EU/NA comes out). And no the excuse "its been only out for 8 months" doesnt count, we talking NCSoft, who was once one of the leading companies when talking MMORPG, they should know what they are doing. Remember Lineage and Lineage 2? Somehow these Games are still more popular in Korea then the so called "spiritual successor". "Why?" you might be asking, well because those games are quality games.
Go watch some of the many YT videos out there that say that lol I dont need to make it up I am not being paid by NCsoft I wish I was also you sound like you dont like the game so why do you watch videos on it?? But anyeay thanks for your input enjoy your day 👍🏽.
Wtf do u mean? This is the first time I've been able to play Zerg V Zerg PvP without fps lag. It's the most optimized mmorpg I've played among recently released titles.
Are you a PvP or PvE enjoyer? I myself enjoy both but I lean more towards PvP !
Yes
I love that the 'basic' game-play loop of TnL is to do PvE to get The Gear, then; go into PvP to SHOW OFF The Gear. Truly a PvPvE game.
PvP all day, but i do Dominion events because the groups are balanced and random, so no 1 group dominating
Im like you MrO. I love pvp, very much so, but the odd farming, dungeon sessioning, achievements and pet hunts are just as important for days where i just wanna roll easy.
I enjoy PVE more but my boyfriend is massively into PVP and we both loved Lineage 2.... is it worth try?
@@PageCZ Yes I would say it is 100% worth you both trying TL has some huge PvP fights for your bf and for you there is plenty of PvE also its free to play so you have nothing to lose.
The game is extremely young and global is soon. After global the game will have constant updates and PvE content added all the time. As a primarily PvE player I’m not worried at all. It’s F2P anyways, worst case, if they don’t keep up the PvE content then they just lose me as a player and I lose nothing.
Well said. People are worried for no reason
@@markies8279 Who worries about something as insignificant as a little video game?
horrible game.. its already dead.
Thanks for making this video! I hate PvP-only MMOs and I also hate people spreading misleading info about them.
No worries now as others have mentioned in the comments you do get benefits from doing PvP and holding riftstones & boonstones BUT the whole point of this video was to just let people know that you do not have to do any of that if you really wish not too.
I like the GW2 style open world dynamic events that happen every hour or so, always attracts tons of players. This is clear evidence that PVE is dominant.
I agree 👍🏽
I loved the beta, so if that is outdated for sure I'm waiting to play the new version on launch.
TnL is 100% Guild and PvP "Focused" but there is a solid amount of PvE and they are adding more and more every update.
Will you get MORE out of the game if you DO PvP? Yes.
Will you 'run out' of PvE content if you never do PvP? Soft Maybe.
lol
@@casediedwell5094 I agree they started out that way but they have quickly noticed that they need way more PvE which as you have said they have been adding constantly which is great for the game even though I am more of a PvP player I understand we need a good amount of PvE to keep the game going
For people who enjoys pvp but does not have time to commit to guild, the dominion is super fun. its a good way to get good casual pvp.
Yes I really enjoy the dominion events also
I would say this game is almost 100% pve until you can even get strong enough to kill anyone at this point.
@@amazingcabbage39 Haha correct
ty for the vid. Solid concise info. we need more of this revolving around this game tbh. well done. ty for clearing up the dungeon thing , i had to clip that bit to send to a friend who was unsure about how it worked. Keep up the good work o7 .
@@DEE_MYZE Thank you many more videos coming soon closer to global to help new players.
@@ItsMrOyeah please do ”new player” vids and guides
@@ayenakoji I am going to they will be up a little bit closer to global launch no worries 👍🏽.
@@ItsMrO i appreciate it! will definitely be watching. question, since i've never played before, do I get to choose which server I want to play in? if so, is it better to choose NA even though i'm EU based? or is EU active
@@ayenakoji Well theres no way to tell ahead of time which will be more active BUT at a guess its normally EU as we are much bigger but also yes I would advise you to choose EU servers for the best ping.
What people seem to not understand is that there's a whole ton of PvE, it just happens to be in service of building yourself up to express your earned power in PvP if you so choose.
So one thing I haven't been able to find is the penalties on death when you die in PvP. Few things I've seen so far looks pretty outdated....but talked about losing 5% experience each death, having to pay some form of currency to get it back? Based on what you mentioned in this vid we won't be griefed by PvP'ers if we just want to enjoy PvE content (ie: not going into dungeons at night?)
This has since been removed and changed you no longer lose anything from death and you can "cleanse" for free now instead you get a delayed respawn during PvP and yes that is correct if you wish to avoid any PvP just make sure you are not in Open World Dungeons during the night and also if there is a PvP event going on just leave that area.
@@ItsMrO That's great news. Thank you for your reply and your content! I'm going to give this a try because of you! cheers!
So far the only negative thing I can say about this game is you can’t get to enjoy how beautiful the skills are and combos. Coz u constantly have to look at your skill cooldowns and skill hotkeys. How I wish there is a way to release ur combo like what cabal online did back then.
For people who is saying there’s no PVE. well the festival in the desert while a gigantic sandworm jumps 100ft above ground looks like a great PVE feature to me. And this is just one of the many
@@MrBlackchaos05 I mean in time it just becomes muscle memory and you shouldnt really need to check your keys much at alll
@@ItsMrO i figured too. But as a beginner how I wish we could’ve enjoyed how the skills looked in action. Haha
Zerg guild domination with their allies will ruin the game, EU players and guilds play hardcore always to own everything at end game. So, what is going to happen whene the gear gap increasing between new, returning, casual, semi-hardcore players + clans and those zerg dominated clans?
I like pvp but I love pve + sandbox + lore related main story quest and side story quests etc more but this game lacks pve and sandbox contents to keep you busy. I don't like mindless grind... instead of having some objectives along with your guild, similar to Archeage, Lineage 2, Blade & Soul, and Aion.
Full pvp and p2w element mmorpgs always kill itself after 6 month or 12 months later.
The game should make players to play in open world environment more than instanced zone pvp and pve areas.
400hr player here. Yep. 100%
Oh I agree there is many issues that they need to address and we shall have to see what they manage to do down the line
Open world dungeons allviate this probvlem But I understand the sentiment.
This was the video I needed, thank you! I prefer PVE but sometimes dabble in PVP to switch things up.
Glad I could help!
Quick question though: Regarding GvG events, is there any gear that's going to be BiS involved, in the event that someone's guild is not in a position to win against other guilds, which causes players to miss the opportunity to get particular BiS gear?
All gear is exactly the same in the PvE and PvP events the dev's have made sure that there is no difference between them.
@@ItsMrO That is good news. Especially if you don't want to be in some kind of massive guild that feels like an overwhelming experience
My thoughts exactly 😊@@faithgiant_Ps91
I've only just been introduced to this game. I'm a LONG time mmo pvp player, but I enjoy smaller scale pvp (1-10 players per side). Will this game be a good experience for someone like me?
@@SinnfullDuck The PvP in this game is very large scale tbh the only small scale PvP currently is 3v3 Arena they said they are going to add Battlegrounds later on.
I'm just waiting for the release . Game was Hella fun in the console beta
tldr reason why people say pvp focus is because the pve is for end game which is siege / GvG pvp. we arnt pveing to pve (raids and such tho they are adding it). you have some gear caps but its not like progressive pve like say ff14 or wow.
@@batman05655 Correct but my point was and still is many players have been getting put off with even trying this game because they assume and hear its just a PvP game and that is not the case many players can casually enjoy this game without doing any PvP at all if they dont wish too.
Will the global launch have the new updated combat and cooking etc all the good new stuff?
Yes it will have the new skills and life skills for launch thats been confirmed.
To be honest %90 percent of the stuff I agree with you, but the game is pay to progress its not pay to win. Also should consider the game play with guilds, because %90 percent of the time your guild going to ask you to be in PVP events in between bosses and PVP Guild events. That is what must the active guilds done nor they willing to do. However the choice left it to player but essentially guild is going to ask for PVP events.
My biggest issue is i feel they lost a lot of momentum by taking so long to launch global...now you have a whole bunch of games out and people have had the chance to rubbish t&l for months
@@awkw4rdjoke Yes they did take awhile but honestly the game is in a much better state now.
@@ItsMrO good to hear...looking forward to giving it a go
Me and my friends been putting in some overtime for some extra money. We will be looking for that easy clap. Can't wait
1 month cant wait be streaming pvp everyday 🎉
Are premium currency outfits able to be bought off the ingame market from players with whatever the regular currency is?
@@PowPowKallli You dont buy skins from players those are sold in the store which you can buy with Lucent so even as a F2P you can sell items in the auction house and then buy those skins.
@@ItsMrO ooooo nice I like that alot, thank you!
Aren’t they comin with a 24/7 pvp zone?
In KR yes in a few months we wont have that for awhile on global
The game is Open World PVP. Before even release, they lost most of their future potential customers.The Throne and Liberty website clearly explains that PVP can be anywhere at night, also in dungeons and World Boss events. So basically anything fun might turn PVP at any time. Nobody lies,maybe the video creator does not know how to read? IT IS AT THE WEBSITE! Was that clear enough?
Did you watch the video lol ? I dont need to read the website I have played this game for nearly 2000 hours since day 1 on the KR launch lol
@@ItsMrO Translated “I don’t need to be informed. It does not matter if I tell people the wrong thing.” I just love when “TH-camrs” reply back without thinking. I also am very tired of all these try-hards trying to get people to play their game so they can “surprise” gank them. I saw enough of the video to know that you are trying promote an Open World PVP game. If you were not trying to promote it, you would not have made this video. Duh!
@@Oncewasgolden What are you even talking about lol this video is to literally tell people that DONT like PvP that they can play this game and enjoy the PvE without doing ANY PvP at all you have zero clue what you are talking about but thanks for the chat it made me laugh enjoy your day
Im new to MMO’s but I loved the explanations in this video keep it up!
@@jincx_3829 Thank you very much I have plenty of guides to help new players soon.
I have no time for pvp games these days. As long as I don't have to waste time playing the pvp aspects then I'd give it a chance.
@@davidpowers9178 Yes you can avoid all of the PvP events if you wish and just goto the PvE ones 👍🏽.
MrO, thank you for yor calm and on point explanation. Liked and subscribed.
@@fabsl5332 Thank you very much! I will have guides for new players as we get closer to the Global launch 👍🏽.
Hi, I have been waiting for TL for a long time and I played a little bit in Korea and a little bit in Closed Beta. i will probably play the game alone and I love PvE content. Do you think I can play alone? How far can I go if I play alone? Thank you in advance.
I mean you can play "alone" as the Dungeons have cross-server matchmaking but you will do so much better if you join a guild there will be many guilds so I am sure you will be able to find a casual PvE one if you don't wish to take part in any PvP.
I enjoyed the game regardless the combat is alr but still fun definitely going to put my time into it give the game chance
Good to hear not long left now till global!
I wasn't really worried about there being too much PvP in the game but I am on the fence about whether or not to get this game, currently playing ESO but kinda tired of Bethesda's bs bosses and the decreased amount of xp you get without the enlightenment xp bonus so I been looking for a similar game but is throne and liberty worth getting and playing over ESO? It looks fun and interesting and definitely more detailed, just looking for opinions as I have seen throne and liberty on the playstation store and I'm curious.
@@thepainkiller5527 Its a free to play game so you have nothing to lose trying it out and seeing what you think, I would advise you not to buy the early access pack which is what you will see in the store and just wait till Oct 1st when the game will be launching for free 👍🏽 I have played and enjoyed ESO they are quite different games but like I say you have nothing to lose trying out this game 🙂.
can you steal stuff in thrones and liberty, also kill npcs? (aka blay as a bad guy etc
)
No you cannot sadly !
I'm a PVE'er but tolerate PVP with a guild
@@Atljeepboy Yeah thats all good
Im a pvper but i tolerate pve because its fun and its how you get the best gear in most mmos ive played
Are the rewards for doing the pvp bosses different/better than the pve ones?
@@Dustyfogz No the loot is the same the only thing is if you are doing the PvP boss and your guild kills everyone you have more chance to get a drop thats it.
@@ItsMrO Ahh ok. Was on the fence but your video convinced me to give it a fair shake.
Idk I played the beta and the combat felt like total ass. Its disappointing because I was pretty much certain that I was going to play this game long term, and I wasn't expecting to dislike the game fundamentally. I will try the game on launch but Im not very hopeful for this game anymore.
@@eatexp742 Thats fair its not a game for everyone and theres nothing wrong with that all I would say is just try it again on launch and see what you think as its free so no need to pay anything 👍🏽.
they revamp the gameplay with the skill specialization and its amazing, and they gonna implement that on global at day 1
The newer p2w systems that were put in like the rune system on top of old p2w systems is what kinda drove me away... I did hear they updated some things to make the new p2w system less aggressive. Which still seems that the gap between f2p and whale players have increased. Now im on the fence. I think I will still play as a complete f2p player. If I still feel I'm getting power gapped in pvp towards the end of my grind (nearing the next vertical progression update), then ill probably just move on...
@@Rated_xv they wont implemen rune atleast until tier 2 dungeon hardcore released , just wait and see
@@rudyseptian3812 Oh I thought it would be all in upon launch thats good to hear
well this didn't age well lol. Early access package and EU servers weren't even up.
@@liamwilson7549 Im confused what has pve and pvp content have to do with server issues ?
@@ItsMrO your title is ambiguous for a reason.
@@ItsMrO you can enjoy this game all you want, but you’re ignoring the main reason these games fail.
@@liamwilson7549 Im not ignoring anything? I have called them out for many things during the past 10months but if you dont like the game thats fine just go find one you enjoy 👍🏽.
The PvE content is done so you can have a glimmer of hope to do the PvP. To say it isn't focused on PvP makes no sense.
You have not understood the video I made this video to let people know that now there is actually more then enough PvE for players to do that do NOT like PvP and they can avoid all of the PvP and still enjoy this game if they like.
They literally keep adding more pve because ppl asked for it
im more of a PvE.. pvp doesn't speak to me anymore.. im all about PvE.
Yeah I think many people these days are more about PvE
They have pvp. This game is GOING TO BE IT.
Who said there wasnt pvp?
I’m so excited for this game I can’t wait 😍
I do agree the game is FILLED with PvE, we need more PvP if anything 😂 Much love sir ❤
@@Shikku1996 Apparently I am wrong and also get paid by NCsoft to hype the game so yeah 😂 much love brother!
@@ItsMrO LMAO
@@ItsMrO 💀
I was wondering about all this I don’t like pvp so didn’t want to get this
apparently cant use mouse and keyboard on the ps5 version of this game ?
@@derekrank4572 I have no idea I am afraid I only play on PC.
Aren’t they dropping a raid in Jan?
@@ZenithAchieved They are aiming to add a raid in Jan yes in KR that wont be on the Global version for awhile.
Why not both? 😄
@@mattgenaro Many people lilke myself do enjoy both 👍🏽
People are always looking to make those ridiculous videos. T & L will do well on console especially PS5. There are console MMOs that are going to take a huge hit when this launches. PS5 had some many players and we had an amazing open beta turn out.
@@Kir4me8604 Good to hear !
So is basicly BDO (Black Desert Online) but with worse graphics and worse combat. BDO is also 90% PVE and 10% PVP .
@@SukurHakan-hj6rf Its nothing like BDO to be honest also I wouldnt say the gfx are worse go watch some 4K epic videos of TL and you see how good the game can look
It is the Casual players that trying to get TOL to drop because thy dont like challenging games
@Katie-vv6f What is TOL? You mean Throne And Liberty? And what do you mean casuals are trying to get it to "drop"?
It is not global when it is not available at my region, SEA. Have been playing at Korean server, but the UI and conversations are not in 100% english! We want this game available for SEA region on Steam! Then that is called GLOBAL version!
Yeah I think its to do with Amazon not having rights there.
PvP or PVE is quite irrelevant, the sentence “Pay To Win “ was mentioned.
Lost interest immediately.
@@my0866 Its really not that bad I have done everything since day 1 on the KR servers without spending any money but yes it has “P2W” it just depends on each person how bad it is and I mean the game is free so yeah upto you if you wish to try it on October 1st or not 👍🏽.
no we are not lol.. its going to be a pay to win boring dead "everyone using the exact same build" style of game lol... we are not wrong
@@agamerandyou9854 Did you even listen to what the video was about? I said nothing about builds nor did I say its not got P2W in the game lol
all i had to hear was 'pay to win' and i'm out.
Have fun I hope you find another MMORPG that you enjoy without any kind of P2W.
@@ItsMrO I appreciate your reply. I am always on the lookout for something exciting and new. Prob trying to relive something from my early days playing WOW but none the less I hold out hope that somethin will come along. I enjoy Diablo 4 at the moment. Throne and Liberty caught my attention with its graphics and some of the simple game play i saw. These types of games however rely heavily in having an active user base. IMO one of the reasons WOW currently suffers is not its active users but its lack of NEW active users. it's got to be intimidating to a new player to try to navigate 20 years of content. Throne and Liberty sounds great but once the player base falls off all those awesome mechanics and huge guild battles become stale and its prob tuff to maintain something. Now this is all before I heard anything about 'Pay 2 Win'. My question tho is WHY? Why have the P2W aspect? is this a feature that brings in players? is this some thing people want in a game and I am just out of touch? Regardless of the game I did enjoy your video and I am happy to sub.
@@420psilo Thank you very much I wasn't trying to be blunt sorry if it came across that way and no its not something people want in the game but sadly as it is a Korean MMORPG this is pretty much standard basically because over there its not seen as that much of a problem but out of all the P2W MMORPG's this is the most "fair" because as a F2P you can earn everything yes it will be slower but at least you can and I also understand this will still stop many people in the west from even playing the game and I can respect that all I ever say to people is the game is F2P so you lose nothing apart from some time trying it for yourself!
@@ItsMrO no sir no offense or disrespect felt.
I had a look at it, getting more in-depth on the P2W aspect. It might be more fair to refer to it as Pay to Skip. lol. I appreciate the explanation about this being a typical Gaming model in Korea. I personally would rather pay for a game and perhaps a monthly fee for a good experience than a Free 2 Play. I always end up thinking to myself 'there's no such thing as a free lunch' So I am instantly suspicious. While the game and its model may not be for me at the end of the day if it makes the creators, who clearly put in a ton of work, money then its doing somethin right if its providing jobs and content in a very tough and unforgiving industry. lol thanks for the good convo my friend.
wtf this game has no open pvp ? this is stupid
@@mindshifter5772 Only during the events / Open World Dungeons during the night and the PvP bosses and of course during the big siege war but general open world PvP at anytime no.
@@ItsMrO i was hyped for it ! guess i will pass on this mmo.
@@mindshifter5772 hope you find a MMORPG you enjoy
@@mindshifter5772yeah hyped to be perma ganked by the best guilds on the server and no hope at grinding and looting the best areas because of the best swipers.. sounds fun
@@illuminated1158 i play albion online ! i get ganked a lot but the game provide many ways to get away from those ganks or fight them depend on your skills.
reason i had interest in this i saw KR streamer getting ganked while looting and he managed to kill 4 who were against him one by one. but it seems waste of time if im gonna gear up to use this gear on specific fixed zone or time for it.
As long you can purchase ingame currencies and mats its a dead game.
The game will do just fine it wont be the biggest MMORPG and thats fine in a perfect world it wouldnt have P2W elements yes but it is what it is.
@@ItsMrO is it pay 2 win though?
@@leuterisarapoglou3745 It has P2W elements yes I have never said it does not
@@ItsMrO can you give me some examples?
@@leuterisarapoglou3745 You can buy items and gear off the auction house with Lucent which you can farm in game for free but you can also just buy Lucent with real money
Definitely plenty to do PvE, it is after all, how u gear to PvP. You can’t PvP without doing PvE but u can totally PvE without ever doing any PvP. What does that say?
People say it’s PvP focused because PvE focused people basically can’t participate in PvP without getting wrecked or hiding in a Zerg. I’ve heard guildies actually quit playing because there isn’t enough PvP to do whenever u want. U can totally PvE whenever u want. PvP only at certain times or events makes it more PvE focused than PvE. What they need to do is make it so casual players can more easily participate in PvP without getting completely destroyed to top guilds who farm world bosses and whales who gear to the point u can’t even touch them.
So far NCsoft have done a great job of making changes so we will just have to wait and see what other changes will come to the game... For example we know that we are getting Battlegrounds soon and also supposedly a always on PvP zone and then around Jan they want to add a proper raid into the game... with regards to not getting destroyed by whales that will never happen when P2W is involved if you are a casual player.
The combat sucks ass brother. It is a pretty game but thats not a feat in 2024 where engines build graphics for you and all you gotta do is code in the gameplay. Nuh uh. No excuse.
You dont like the combat which is fine you dont have to play the game Im not sure what that has to do with the topic of this video though.
worst thing about this game is pvp, it is complete trash, built around rng. You either one tap or get one tapped. Hit/evasion is prob worst mechanic that could be foundation of pvp. And I agree, this is PVE game with a mini games of PVP. PvP is pretty much pointless in this game, most of the time u just pve in this game.
Obviously you don't know how people on the west hate paid to win games. So you can promote all you want but once global go online it be popular for a bit into the whale star on the rampage killing the regular people specially whale guilds with their alliance whale so I give it like 2 to 3 months to start dying. The developer are aware about their paid to win model a youtuber told them but they are to arrogant to listen. So I just won't buy the game based on the developer attitude. So simple to take out the paid to win aspects on the game and just sell season passes and skins. What happened to EA Starwars loot boxes the game just sink down the drainer and is that story is just going to repeat again. And facks this game is more pvp oriented OK so get your story straight. My friend played this game and all I heard was that the strong guild (whale) together with their alliances (whale) will dominate the pvp aspect of the game and remember this is a pvp oriented game that has a bit of pve
@@MegaOneish Its a F2P game you dont need to buy it for one and for two this video was nothing to do with the P2W topic and finally if you dont like it then thats also fine just simply dont play it.
@@ItsMrOwhy you didn't talk about the guilds (whale) and their alliances (whales) dominate the pvp aspect be clear instead of promoting all the good but forget to mention the bad what kind of fun you think I will have by getting killed by whale? And those are facks
@@MegaOneish I have done many videos about the P2W and issues this game has had lol this whole videos point was to tell PVE players that they can actually enjoy this game without playing any kind of PVP also as a F2P myself since day 1 on the KR servers myself and my guild has done just fine even against whales it is what it is. If you dont like it then just move on and do something you like.
dont lie!!
About?
The pve is gated to only a couple runs a day, the events are every hr or 2 hrs, your chances of getting loot from world bosses by yourself is 0%. Open world dungeons are gated also. Pvp is more then you say. Also did you tell them about the big buffs you get holding the boonstones and castle?
The point of this discussion was more to let people know that they don't have to do be a PvP player if they don't want too as many people think that they cant play this game without PvP also at the endgame which is currently rune farming you are not time gated at all you have unlimited runs in the challenge dungeons.
This game is extremely trash in their dungeon design. That's for sure.
If thats what you think fair enough the later game Dungeons in T2 are a lot better to be honest.
unfortunately I tried beta, and now am in the game thru a VPN. Its NOT good...its just a mindless fetch quest/ tab target hybrid MMO thats been done 1000x before. Was stoked but after playing thru the VPN, i'm gonna hard pass. Good luck all.
@@jaymichaelmichaels Hope you find something you enjoy
game looks like doo doo
Amazing.
Well good thing its f2p
Indeed it is f2p
Pay 2 win meems skip sorry man
@@derekfogle5706 Its not for everyone and thats ok!
Alot of people are just straight up over pay2win games dude. Its not a heavily pvp or pve thing, its a feeling of redundance.
Well I dont like P2W either but it is what it is you either dont play MMORPGS anymore as nearly every single one now days has some form of it in or you enjoy the game you like for what it is.
It’s very simple. Don’t pay. You can still play and enjoy the game without paying. Not a hard concept.
@@offclmichael can the game actually have OCE and not disguise SEA as Sea/OCe when its just jap servers?
@@offclmichael yea the whole p2w crying when people are “causal” makes no sense cause you weren’t going to compete anyway.
@@offclmichaelvery true even with BDO the best part of it is grinding for them juicy 100mil drops and farming for my next upgrade and the feeling of it is akin to buying your first big thing after your first job. Swiping for me would take the best part of the game away
Looks ok - just like Guild wars.
Game dead move on
Its not even out in the west yet so “dead game” makes no sense also why do you watch and comment on videos of games you dont like??
Literally nobody said "the game is super hardcore pvp and there is no pve", you arguing against your own strawman at that point.
The "outdated rubbish version of the game" was what you "played" for 7 months, why should ncsoft hide it in your opinion?
They didnt even let people see half of the stuff? Yes, much like it will be at launch, where we will also be timegated by the game through its milestone system (which you could have known, if you really played since day 1).
And again nobody said there is no pve and also nobody said that there is nothing to do in the game. Why are you arguing against your own created strawmans my dude?
Kinda sick of you, Kanon, Invulnerable and others trying to praise the game (for what its obviously not) or hype people up because you get a paycheck from NCSoft while others might spend something in a game that is in such a bad state, it was fucking 10 years in development and is still what feels like an Alpha, there is a reason the game is still on the edge in Korea (if you count out all the people who gonna quit once EU/NA comes out).
And no the excuse "its been only out for 8 months" doesnt count, we talking NCSoft, who was once one of the leading companies when talking MMORPG, they should know what they are doing. Remember Lineage and Lineage 2? Somehow these Games are still more popular in Korea then the so called "spiritual successor". "Why?" you might be asking, well because those games are quality games.
Go watch some of the many YT videos out there that say that lol I dont need to make it up I am not being paid by NCsoft I wish I was also you sound like you dont like the game so why do you watch videos on it??
But anyeay thanks for your input enjoy your day 👍🏽.
only thing i don't like about TL is the same as every other NCSoft game ever made, absolutely horrendous game engine
game are smooth like there is no loading screen lmao
@@BrotheBruh huh?? Its Unreal Engine whats wrong with that
Then you are going to hate most of the games coming to market... many of them are using Unreal 4 or 5...
Wtf do u mean? This is the first time I've been able to play Zerg V Zerg PvP without fps lag. It's the most optimized mmorpg I've played among recently released titles.