James Harden Is a Modern-Day Karl Malone and George Gervin | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Jackie MacMullan and Bob Ryan to discuss modern-day comparisons for James Harden and how they think his 2020-21 season will play out.
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James harden goes out clubbing and partying then dropping 44 like it’s nothing. Dude is crazy talented
On me he talented, but on my mother that man is skilled too and works on his game something serious.
Not to mention he did while looking like Rick Ross
@@benheckman8481 😂
Not a winner
They lost and he was guarding McCollum, who also scored 44.
Saying he isn’t clutch is the most casual take I have heard from Jackie
It‘s facts tho
Y'all being nephews if you think Harden's talent wasn't enough to win championships. The Rockets from 2017-2019 were incredible teams while being led by a MVP level James Harden. Judging his legacy by his inability to beat arguably the greatest team of all time in the Durant-era Warriors is unfair and ignorant. Bron couldn't do it either. It should not be a blemish on anyone's legacy to get beat by that team
Tbh I think gervin had enough talent to win, his scoring even held up in playoffs, the spurs just took until the end of his prime to actually get a good team around him
Personally, I think the Cavs vs Rockets
series in 2018 would have been incredible. I think it would have went to 6 or 7 games. KD jointing that team ruined the league. The rockets for sure beat the warriors if they ran it back as is after 2016
Overreach
Bob Ryan, Bill Simmons and Jackie McMullan. Boston sports royalty ya’ll!
I clicked. On the video and when I saw them all, I just thought that they couldn’t have a more Boston sports podcast
Boston royalty and cringeworthy everywhere else...Wa Wa Wa I don't want to cheeer for Harden - good grief.
Should've shown the whole interview. MacMullen would remember a conversation in the 80s, and Bob Ryan remembers Dave Cowens averaged 31 and 9 in the 4 regular season games vs the Lakers in 1973.
Yep. I just listened to the entire podcast. Without a doubt, one of the best all time conversations ever on pro basketball. The stories from the 70s were classic and then Simmons did a great job of getting MacMullen and Ryan to compare to today.
The Harden trade was a wholesale organizational failure. It wasn't just that they wanted to keep Ibaka. The bigger picture was that they were cheap so they didn't want to pay the tax, they planned to extend Ibaka, and (here's the kicker) they just signed KENDRICK PERKINS to a long-term contract right after trading for him and ran out of cap space. Losing Harden goes beyond Ibaka. It needs to be pointed out that they gambled on Kendrick Perkins while refusing to pay the tax.
And if you say they're a small market team and can't afford to pay the tax, 1) all contenders eventually pay the tax; just look at Cleveland when they kept going to the Finals and 2) maybe they should've thought about that before they moved from a bigger market to a smaller one.
Truth, but lets take it a step further back. The Celtics back then were willing to trade RONDO, PERKINS, JEFF GREEN & A 1ST ROUND PICK for WESTBROOK. If OKC takes the deal they could have kept HARDEN if they would have cut SEFLOSHA or NICK COLLISON.
PG - RONDO
SG - HARDEN
SF - DURANT
PF - IBAKA
C - PERKINS
OKC didn't take the deal thinking WESTBROOK was gonna win them a chip lol.
@@princeluke6340 trading any of the 3 future mvps was a big mistake russ kd and harden shouldve won given us fans. A decade of their greatness
Would love a different perspective from Simmons, all his content are people who think alike... love Jackie love Bob, but the three of them are all talkin to themselves
Couldn't agree more...talk about 3 people in a bubble.
Yeah that’s most of the people he gets on his actual show except House and KOC
That’s I like Ryan R. At least he will call Bill out on his bullshit
Remember watching Bob Ryan and Jackie with my dad on PTI every day when I came home. Thank you bill for giving us this.
That was 10-12 years ago! Crazy!
The legendary Bob Ryan. Always a welcomed voice 🙏🏽
Happy New Year Bill!
If Chris Paul didn't get hurt, Harden would have a championship and would have gone through Durant's Warriors to get it. Acting like you can't win with him as your best player is absolutely ridiculous, as is punishing him for being in his prime in the same 5 year period as one of the most potent dynasties in NBA history.
Preach bro
Something Lebron couldn’t even come close to doing. But one is almost MJ and the other is compared to Karl Malone. Double standard these rings have unfair context Harden has gotten unbelievably unlucky
@@aja3longhorn375 What was the narrative for that loaded Lebron lead Cavs team that almost got swept if not for the refs ,against the KD Warriors?Lebron didnt had enough help i guess?Interesting that the loser Harden with an aging star in Chris Paul took them to seven games the following year and was the only team that came an injury away to beating them.Funny how the narratives work depending on the player eh?All you need in this league is good PR and social media following and you can dictate how they view you apparently.Debating if you can win with Harden as your best player is ridiculous and im not even a fan of the guy.
Harden's definitely skilled, but if you look at MJ's career, his game had to become less stat-friendly to maximize the team's ability. The same could be said of the 1967 Sixers, who reduced Wilt's scoring and became (at the time) the greatest team in NBA history. No matter how good your alpha guy is, there's definitely such thing as calling his number too much.
This needs to be a regular thing!
Great pod. More of this please
Why have you stopped posting the full episodes here?
Harden in Denver with a bunch of great passers would be really interesting
Nahh, his game dont match with jokic's.
lol ballhog iso player don't fit that scheme.
Harden would have to be willing to change his game
@@pavlevasilev2968 that's why it would be interesting lol
@@davidjames6036 either you think Harden would be an upgrade on Murray or you don't watch Murray mostly play iso
Three sports writers from Boston 50 plus and white don’t like harden? Shocker
Wish I could laugh react
They give no context to his game at all.
Too simplistic. Its the game, not the skin color so much. They love Curry, last time I checked he was black. They all talked about how underrated and great Parish, Jo Jo White, Dennis Johnson, etc were (all black).They all love Tatum and Brown on today's Celtics (all black)- its the approach to the game and how it affects a team.
Jackie McMullen brought up the comment from Parish about Bird/McHale and how she agreed that some underlying racial attitude was often behind it.
@@dmichael100 I didn’t mean for the race being pointed out to be the man idea of what I said. Just more to the fact of how extremely one sided this whole convo was.
Will there be a full video of the pod released or will this be it? I always love watching them but sometimes it’s just a clip released.
This is a great trio to see together. I’d like to know what they think of the “your cousin from Boston” Samuel Adams commercials 😂
Probably as annoying as everyone else thinks they are.
I got to say this, not few players have the narcissistic personality type to be willing to dominate the ball 90% of the time. That takes a certain level of unawareness. That's a skill. That's something that Curry, bird, even Jordan didn't have. If any of those players will play with heardens way of playing they will break every record. I'm not hating on this man but as somebody who played basketball and if you play basketball you know that they are the most horrible people to play with
Yeah, it's also a 2K way of playing. You have to know you play with other human beings and not just a ratings avatar. Even Jordan had to realize he had to give Cartwright some touches or else he'd just feel like a guy standing there. I think Harden CAN figure that out, hopefully before his window closes.
It takes away so much of the fun and the nuances of the basketball that makes it such a great game to play and watch. Playing or watching, where the ball movement is fluid and has that pop to it is so gratifying.
You didn't watch early MJ if you think he didn't dominate the ball like Harden did. INB4 "but his teammates were terrible" he still monopolized the ball, Kobe did too, even when they had open teammates.
If you say harden dominates the ball too much to the point where it is not fun to play with him anymore, you are ignoring two major things. First of all, he literally makes his teammates better think capela and now wood, and he is an underrated passer-he definitely finds shooters, cutters, rollers all the time yet we gloss over that fact because we are fed the narrative that he is a ball hog. Second of all, it is ignorant to assume that harden is a ball dominant, selfish player when the isos were a part of his coach, D’antoni’s gameplan and he just listened to his coach. In fact, I would argue that in every situation he has been in he has done what the coach asked of him I.e. he took a bench role in okc despite being miles better than sefolosha and then adapted his game to d’antoni’s request right away when he was signed in Houston. Also, it is not easy to put up the records that he does just because he handles the ball a lot, he literally gets double teamed as soon as he crosses half court. But, carry on and continue to blindly buy what the media says and hate on a generational player simply cuz you don’t like him.
james harden career went like tracy mcgrady, 6th man to scoring titles. tmac is still one my favorites though. and still had one of my favorite moments in the nba with that game against prime spurs
And now we're here and both Brooklyn and Philly has happened
Should we start comparing Harden to Wilt ? In regards to not being able to get a chip early in prime, but putting up big stats ?
Why "should" we compare them to anyone? Ha
Bill we wanna hear your thoughts on Payton Pritchard... P Rabbit has been ballin
Bob! Doug Moe! Good ole days
Harden needs to be added to an already fully functioning team. A team that can exist and compete without him on the floor. Kind of like Jordan and the Bulls. The Bulls would execute the triangle with Pippen running the show. Jordan would sometimes participate in a catch and shoot capacity, but it was a team effort. When or if a play got broken , then and only then would Jordan step in and bail them out with his isolation abilities. This saved Jordan's strength for the playoffs and fourth quarters. The Rockets had that with CP3 but Harden's lazy defense rubbed him the wrong way and CP3 left. Too bad. Such a "What If" moment.
Jokic should be in the MVP talk. Y'all love Durant way too much!
Jokic can be in the MVP talk doesn’t mean he’s MVP or that you have to tear Durant down to push him up. Jokic gotta give us 24ppg+ and then keep his other numbers the same or better in order to win IMO. The PPG is holding him back
@@shanerobinson925 bro he has dropped a triple double every game this year, MVP isn't solely about points or else Harden would get it every year.
They rate scoring too high for sure. There's never been a center like Jokic. There just hasn't been.
Love how Jacky Mac and Bill always bring it back to the Celtics
Why shouldn't they?
He can`t make the right basketball play at the right time. True. Last year he played with the other guy who is incapable of doing that. I will never understand why Morey thought this could work out with those two in Houston..
I understand the comparison but I think Harden is better than either of those players.
If Harden finishes his career without a title, he will be the best player ever to not win a championship, imo.
I want to see that forwards list lmao
Yea same, but knowing him I guarantee the list would make sense
Karl Malone won 2 MVP’s got to the finals twice and lost to Jordan. Kobe Bryant is the most overrated great player and it’s not particularly close.
Karl Malone wasn't that great. I'm 40 years old and was there. His stats are amazing, if you look at his numbers most would say "how is this guy not top 5?" But if you actually watch him play, Malone really couldn't get you a bucket against the best teams when the defense was set. He missed alot of clutch free throws and I'm not just talking about the ones against the Bulls in the finals. Most people only remember those series but he choked against the Sonics in the early 90's too. At his position Barkley and Duncan were significantly better isolation scorers, McKale too.
@@skillz0122 nah
Malone was incredible. Top 3 forward ever arguably, certainly top 5. But he was incredible because of Stockton. Without him he's top 10 or 15.
@@blakehansen8284 that's Bs everybody needs help stockton was the only good teammate he could count on, they swept the lakers, beat the spurs and Hakeem with barkley and drexler all in the same year
@Slick Talk Malone was a good player but very overrated. Robinson wasn't in his prime and Duncan was a rookie if you're talking about 1998. I don't even remember them facing each other, you could be right. In 99 Malone got dominated by Portland. Shaq and Kobe, I mean sure, everyone remembers the Kobe airballs in that series. Lakers had a terrible coach and Kobe was 19 years old. Either way Malone had Stockton feeding him almost his whole career in Utah. This is why I got specific. You couldn't depend on Malone in a close game and he couldn't really score 1 on 1 against top defenses, not to mention clutch free throws. You know where the term "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays" originated from?
It's a thing to bash Harden - one of the greatest scorers in NBA history and these Celtic loving cronies do nothing but talk about his flaws - yawn. He's never been paired with an elite player...old CP 3, klanking Westbrook...it's amazing how media lives in the negative - Rick Petino called the media them the fellowship of the misterable.
CP3 was still good lol and Westbrook just played bad. It’s not all hardens fault I’m not saying that but some of the blame has to be put on him
JD Regalado they weren’t KD or AD and that’s basically what they would need to be to win the west the last five years
@@jdregalado9281 CP3 got injured and did not play the game 7 against the Warriors when Rockets had a real chance of winning. D'Antonni's inability to make adjustments in a playoff series does not help either. Harden had some subpar games in the playoffs, but you definitely cannot blame all on him. I totally agree with you.
@@jdregalado9281 He carried a bunch of middling players and a "good" CP within one bad hamstring of beating perhaps the best team ever in the NBA in 6 games. He carried them to #2 in West the year before with nothing resmbling a good 2nd...he never left Houston to pair with KD, or anyone else like Lebron did...and AD just did. AD never even one a playoff game until he left NO? What was that 6 - 7 years of futility and injuries?Yet he's suddenly basketball royalty now that he won a ring?...Harden tried to do it in Houston and gets nothing but crap from media and fans... I dont blame him for wanting to win a ring that way now . He's not perfect - but the piling on is ridiculous.
If you’re using Rick Pitino to make your point, you’ve already lost.
I dunno he can’t even get to the finals however Malone made it back to back years and might’ve won one but ran into Da Bulls
@Reese B yep yep you’re correct I forgot all bout that season
@Reese B Yes, but that's the whole point. The only time Harden got to the Finals was when he was one good part of a cohesive team, when he played and shot less than he COULD HAVE. Harden came off the bench and Durant/Westbrook got more shots so Harden's burgeoning talents at that point made that OKC team very deep and tough.
Once Harden became the individualized focal point he is now, he must dominate the ball so much the other team options don't have the confidence in pressure situations. Yet, he is SO TALENTED he can get you the conference semis and conference finals regularly, but those eventually come down to small minutes of time and in those situations, Harden is suddenly out of his element. The game has been reduced to a few plays against a very good team whose defense is now focused on you.
It would require a weak year where great players had moved about so much that no good team had experience and chemistry or maybe major injuries to a couple of the best players to create a vacuum for a Harden-led team to win a title. But he's getting to the age now, where even that window is closing.
If you had a year like when Orlando with Dwight Howard or the Nets with Jason Kidd got the Finals and then Kobe and Shaq were both injured, maybe Harden could sneak in for a title. He's good enough to get you close enough to take advantage of that.
Put Harden with AD and see who wins a chip every year
There are probably 7 guys in the NBA who would consistently win if you paired them with AD. Harden, Luka, Dame, LBJ, Steph, KD, and maybe even Jokic!
@@bjensen Jokic and AD would be the most hilarious offence ever, just imagining Jokic throwing lobs to AD and the center/pfs on the other team looking at eachother like "what the actual fuck can we even do?". I don't think Dame is in that list rn, probably Kawhi n Giannis instead.
They were up 3-2 on the Warriors and I believe he missed like 30/31 threes. It’s not just who you play with. Look at Kawhi and PG. You have to finish when it counts. The Nuggets guys got to the West Finals quick because they played clutch when it counted. Harden is amazing but you can’t blame lack of partners, especially when he’s signed off on every single move since he got there.
DREVM What? You totally can blame lack of partners, they go up 3-2 on the warriors and lose their second best player. Whoever wins that WCF was gonna beat that Cavs team, and I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that if James Hardens best teammate doesn’t go down in game 5 he has a ring right now
Yes, I've thought that
Had Harden stayed with OKC, he and KD would have been better than Westbrook remaining
And Westbrook coming to Houston would've been much better had it been AD
And if CP3 didn't get injured in 2018, I think Harden would have a ring
Lots of nearly chances missed
Karl Malone touched a.....
To be compared to such a player is just the worst ever...
What?
@@shanerobinson925 look it up...
How do you compare Harden to Karl or Ice… holding the ball and traveling.. out of shape, I don’t see sulking in Ice or Mailman
Bob Ryan actually it was 1984 when pistons and knicks played, not 1985.
You're right. In 1985, the Knicks didn't even make the playoffs after the great 84 season.
I would bill has gone full boomer , buts its really me who’s changed lol love bill still
Karl Malone never showed up out of shape. Also his finals team was last in the NBA in roster salary - he played w “starters” that were only in the NBA because Utah had a team - if MJ had Keefe and Ostertag on his team - Stockton and Malone would have two rings.
Yall are from boston!!! Where'd paul pierce get shot at? In the club right? Jail blazers etc. Im just saying nba players be kicking it all the time!
go bill though. Hes the man
I'm sensing this "harden is the new Malone" take is going to age badly because all it takes is one run........
True. But he needs to get on the right team first
Exactly, Dirk was viewed as a choker and an empty stats guy until he finally broke through and won a title and is now viewed as a legend
@@Rohan_Mehta yup everyone is a loser till they win
Euro Step Productions Dirk has become so overrated because of how much of a stand up dude he is off the court I swear. Dirk was nasty but second best PF of all time is insane.
@@aja3longhorn375 swap Dirk and Malone and the Jazz are winning multiple championships
This was a phenomenal podcast. The Boston media GOATS.
DAVID THOMPSON = Coke
James Harden = Strippers
Same player different vice
Even with a shitty mic I love you Jackie
Karl Malone had a much better work ethic, played offense and defense, and could play very well off ball. Harden is perpetually lazy on the defensive end, hogs the ball like few players in NBA history, and is a team cancer. He's a great talent but there are so many players I'd put over him if I'm building a team, even if those players weren't quite as talented or offensively gifted.
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Kobe wanted to be traded for many years. If you get a player of Hardens level you keep him at all cost. Harden is aready up there with Wilt an Jordan and Kobe in scoring history. Harden is a Hall of Famer.
Adrian Dantley with far more offensive talent
There is a recurring theme when Jackie is on.... she will not let anyone else talk, constantly interrupting. It's quite annoying, especially when she is rarely adding anything substantive.
Hate the Celtics but these three kill it in NBA talk
damn bob is losing it a bit
Well, he is 74 years old...and he couldn't interrupt with the Zoom:)
Bill thank for getting Bob Ryan .
Houston screwed Harden with improper pairings. At first they wanted to pair him with a big with howard and anderson. Then they went to pairing him with a guard with Paul and westbrook. Houston should've paired him with a wing. If they could've pulled off gordon hayward pre injury and had a team of beverly harden Hayward ariza capella with Lou will and Harrell and gordon off the bench they win a title. The paul trade and anderson signings ruined it.
I always though Paul George, as much as he’s hated on now, would have been the perfect wing to play with Harden
@@aja3longhorn375 yeah, okc PG would've been great there
Harden is a great workhorse in the regular season and will be in the Hall of Fame. But he lacks an off-ball scoring game, is not a good help defender, and is not a closer. And since Harden refuses to incorporate a mid-range game into his repertoire and doesn't work off his teammates for catch and shoot opportunities, his iso style becomes very predictable in a 7 game series and can be contained by an elite team defense. Harden needs to expand his game beyond step back 3's, FT's and layups. He needs a go-to mid range shot like Kawhi, KD, Butler, Kyrie and CP3 when teams are overplaying him at the three and walling him in the paint.
@@rollotomasi4045
I reluctantly agree. I remember back in the McHale coached days, Harden would take mid range shots to a fault. Especially step backs. But that system left so much to be desired. MDA/Morey underrated the importance of giving Harden touches at different points on the floor (block, post, corner, etc), off ball movement, & mid range. Extremely predictable in the post season after a couple of games and they made zero adjustments.
So far Silas looks good but no sign of the mid range from Harden.
Harden gone fuck around and be treated like Carmelo 4 years from now
Malone with Stockton is a Top 5 forward NBA all-time no fucking question. Maybe even top 3. Without him? I agree with these guys. He drops to top 15.
They traded Harden to keep KENDRICK PERKINS not Ibaka
He was the third pick not the 5th pick.
Strangely I feel like harden and gervins flaws are less damming, or at least easier to build a team around, I've slowly been coming to the conclusion that Malone got his best case scenarios and I just don't think he was a championship level player. Also fuck Karl Malone
I agree with Bob Ryan, Durant's getting MVP this year! It could happen
Malone was good enough to get to he finals regularly unlike Harden. but talent is there for sure.. he is to big to change the style ... but if he cold move off the ball and be secondary playmaker , have more catch and shoots, no e the number 1 guy, but 2 it would be better for him, for confidence in big games that not all spotlight is on him, that there is someone else to pull the team if he is not doing well...
Regularly? He made it twice once the peak of the west went down, and it took 10-11 years of failure to get there!
Harden also got there once, would have gotten there twice more but he ran into the prob the best team assembled of all time.
@@ashmitbhatnagar9027 people holding 2018 against him quite frankly isn't fair.
terrible comparison.. gervin averaged 2 assists a game for his career
My God is Bob Ryan good
Lebron absolutely did not sulk the way harden did.
You guys know that most of these guys go out right. So hardens the ONLY ONE THAT PARTIES!? thats like saying half the League doesn't smoke weed!!😂😂💯 (over 70% does) -stephen jackson
And we know how much BS hates Karl Malone
What the fuck does it matter if he can win a title? He's a great player, appreciate his greatness. LeBron, Kobe, Magic, Shaq, Bird...they all had help. So what Harden can't carry a team. He's one of the greatest scorers ever.
Haha really?? Winning titles is everything it's THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS
@@arizonaFIREent Ehh, not for me. It's entertainment, that's all it is. The people that want to stack rank and compare players like they're collectibles? I could care less. Too often we don't appreciate how great guys are just because they haven't won a ring. Is Robert Horry and Steve Kerr better than Barkley? Who gives a shit.
That isn't the reason he wants out of Houston?
So disrespectful. BS used to call Lebron the new Dr J.
Harden can‘t do it in big games. Just like Karl
"We playing bass kit ball, we play bass khit ball! WE PLHAYING! Bass kit ball! we playing, pass the ball!" - James Harden Teammates, 2009-2020
I wanna know why Karl Malone is the most overrated great player...
LOL
What a stupid 2 comparisons.
Gervin is not at Harden level, he cannot score at will. Harden played multiple WCFs and he took the Rockets there and he lost to the damn Warriors every time. Nearly taking them out despite having 30% of their talent on his team. Gervin who? Harden is the best pure scorer since Kobe and Jordan. Gimme a break.
Malone on another hand, damn, does Simmons hate him or what. Always says he choked etc. In reality he led his Jazz to some big wins, dominant seasons, finals. Lost to the Bulls fair and square. Should've won one. He played bravely, not perfectly, but went down swinging. Him and John were a perfect combo but dont gimme that Stock was leader of that team BS. Stockton was a no show vs Bulls. Karl was on an Island himself most games. So Karl is a winner, a unique player, a force and a quality constant, 19 seasons always there, always scoring, ass whooping. And played amazing defense. EVEN in Lakers in 2004 at 40 years of age he gelled this team together. So he is a much better team player and overall player than Harden and was a member of an amazing team which was classic and always dangerous. James is nowhere near that level of constant
gervin averaged 2 assists per game for his career lol
Bill & his crew are really trying extra hard to get Harden traded...As soon as the fervor died down a bit, Bill decides to get the Beantown crew together to ratchet it back up.
Spoiler alert: Harden isn’t going to Philly, Bill. And I don’t think your boy Morey is getting a solid from Fertitta. Find a new hustle to run.
Does Bill need to find a new slant, Mr. Colangelo?
Harden slander is corny top 3 player rn and on pace for top 15 all time
Lol of course someone with a Kobe stan profile pic, would pop in unsolicited, and overrate a volume scorer/put them too high on an all time list
@@MPHswayze scoring ? James Harden is one of the greatest offensive players ever ...he a elite PlayMaker
@@Tmoney10434 sure, fair enough. Yet there are 30 or 40 players all time more valuable than him
Lmaooo this is a hilarious take
@@MPHswayze LMAOOOOO
God this dude stutters too much I get lost in wtf he's taking about
this clown really sad that there are 15 forwards better than malone
Daddy cool Dr J Baylor Duncan Garnett Dirk Barkley Barry bird Pettit Havlicek lebron durant kawhi giannis
@@casualfandestroyer2503 Duncan Bird Lebron Dr J yes the rest fuck no, 2 all time nba scorer, 2 times MVP and went twice to the finals, 14time first team all star and avg 25ppg and 10
@@Mo2700_ Dirk Barry Pettit Havlicek kawhi durant have all been the best player on championship teams. Barry and Dirk won titles with weaker teams than Malone had.
@@casualfandestroyer2503 bro unless one of them faced the goat in the final you should stfu
@@casualfandestroyer2503 utah eliminated Hakeem, drexler, barkley, shaq, kobe, robinson, duncan in the same year
Id rather have Butler than Harden, one guy wants to win, the other guy is just about himself.
I’d rather have the player who actually gives me a better chance to win but that’s just me
@@aja3longhorn375 so butler, he has more post season success than Harden
@@cptsketch13 that was the bubble dude. Miami will not make it back lol
@@vandellmarshall411 If Miami doesnt make it back it has more to do with the Nets Celtics Bucks and 76ers getting better and losing Jae Crowder and Derrick Jones Junior to the Suns and Blazers than it has to do with this season not being in a bubble you stupid dweeb
@@bigman94able naw, you just believe what the media feeds you. No need to explain. Remember these comments though. If and when Harden wins a ring, your going to have to eat a hand full shit 😂
He's not that good he scored 40 the other night but still lost. He's a loser. Philly won't trade Simmons or Embid for him.
Dude he was missing 4 starters, the fact that that was a game is impressive enough
“He’s not that good”
Your right they traded Simmons but had to add Seth and Drummond and picks ha ha
nah, harden is ALLEN IVERSON more than anyone else IMO
Good enough to win a championship, never had the team. The answer
Love Bob Ryan but this chat just reeks of Alzheimers and Cocaine.
second
Wtf is this title
gotta let the woman talk. men can't be hogging all the talking