19:40 Rattler in 5.56 with 5" barrel option was really/only for simunition training in shoot houses on the 300blk platform, not for actually firing 5.56 ammo.
I made the same "mistake" and got a Rattler when I actually wanted a Virtus. It was actually a mistake since the Rattler has it's own unique aspects. I've finally got the last piece of my 300BLK Virtus build on the way.
When the pandemic started I was able to find 300 blackout and no 5.56. Now 5.56 is stacked at my local academy’s but haven’t seen any 300 blackout for months. Hopefully when all this sets and clears more manufactures will be manufacturing 300 aac and make it more affordable.
I feel you brother lool. Yeah, this dry market really sucks. Hopefully, once Biden's bluff on this assault weapons ban plays itself out - we can get back to some sort of normalcy in the gun market.
Yes yes i’ve been saying the same thing I got my 10mm B&T and my 300 Mcx rattler and I have not had trouble finding ammo but 9mm and 556 Was too expensive
I have the legacy MCX in 5.56 and I love it, it is compact and can carry it in a XL vertex bag but it’s a bit heavy to carry. I am looking to get one of these as a travel gun because I do like to travel out of state and like a rifle caliber gun, and this being a pistol allows me to carry across state lines and feels that niche. I love the size of the virtus and the feel, I don’t want the Rattler because it’s just too small. This is my cqb travel choice
Dude you’re nuts I still have trouble finding subsonic 300 blackout, I’ve always been able to buy 556 in bulk no problem. Which is why I originally had a rattler and bought a Vertis upper only and 11.5 inch 556. Love them both still rarely shoot the Radler because the ammo is number one way more expensive in number two way harder to find
I hear ya, but I'm telling you - during the pandemic, I could find every type of 300BO at every gun shop, Cabela's, Bass Pro, etc. What I couldn't find to save my life was any 223/5.56, 9mm, or 45ACP. All the most common cartridges were nowhere to be found. It was scary. Not saying that'll be a regular occurrence but when there are ammo shortages, historically, it's always the common rounds that take the biggest price hike before they're disappearing from brick and mortar and online retailers.
Have you done or are you intending on doing a video on the Canebrake??....I just recently bought one and looking for more videos and opinions it!! thx!
Congrats on your purchase! You just got yourself one helluva firearm! I owned one about a year or so ago. Loved it as much as any other MCX I've owned. Only thing I wasn't fond of was the wide grip needed on that girthy handguard, but it definitely looked sexier with it than without.
Rattler 300blkout is pretty much the ultimate backpack/truck rig. Running 110-125gr supers it's plenty dead on out to 200yds. Have dedicated DeadAir Wolf. Can run it in short or long config. I run all MCX's/Rattlers suppressed. There's a substantial size difference between 11.5 Virtus and 5.5 Rattler. 9" Virtus loses the compact size attribute that Rattler has and at 9" I'd much rather just size up to my much more capable 11.5 Virtus. On another note, once you start shooting your guns, you best not be putting them on white comforters lol. I did like the full mag, bolt forward, safety off, ready to rumble ☺️.
@@EchoDelta2A Not too sure. It looks like they're discontinuing both 5.56 & 300blk SBR's. The 300 blk 9" display photo on their site says they discontinuing that, and both SBR's aren't in their 2021 catalogue. The pistol variations are still being sold though.
@@Dylgray it makes no sense to sale a factory SBR anymore unless Joe gets his way. It takes as long as a suppressor as you have to form 4 them and wait up to a year for the tax stamp where you can form 1 a pistol version and your tax stamp comes back in a few months.
I purchased a Legacy (New) SBR in November 2020 and got it for a steal (Because it is a Legacy as opposed to a Virtus)... I have yet to fire it. I really have to get to the range with it. Maybe I'll go today.
Not the sexiest? The Virtus is the crème de la crème in my opinion, maybe only shared with the straight black TacOps version. Filled out the paperwork for mine last week. It’s the pinnacle of my Sig collection.
Bolt forward. I'd have to charge it to insert a round. I never leave one chambered, ever. Probably gotta do a better job of showcasing that to the audience though. I'll try to do so moving forward 😉
Yeah, they're all sold out right now. You can probably still find one on GunBroker, but they won't be cheap. The UPC code for that exact one is: 798681578313 You can search on GunBroker or on gun.deals to see if anyone has one for sale
I just realized that several weeks ago, you told me that you sold your Robinson Armament XCR-M on Armslist (several months ago). Whats weird is, me and my pops were looking at an XCR-M on Armslist that had the same paint job and specs as the one you had, around the time you sold it! Ultimately we by the time we made our decision it was sold! We live in Illinois and I wonder if it was yours!? Either way, great review brother!! I'm a fan of the Virtus. Definitely an excellent rifle and a perfect example of what a gas piston rifle can be. We just need to get you a CZ Bren 2S (not the 2MS) and a Robinson Armament XCR-M (again lol). Like I told you a little while ago, I feel like PCC's are fizzling out. Although, they still have their uses. That said, even if they don't completely go away, you already have the best PCC (B&T APC 9) made, no need for more in the future!
Alex, nothing would've pleased me more than that XCR having been sold to you 😞. Live and learn my friend. I don't mind regrets, though. They really help me narrow down my final collection 😁. Got another PCC on the way, but the XCR and BREN are both back on my radar!
Without a doubt, the Virtus. The Virtus will retain more value because it's the "M13" and because it's features in video games. Also, it's piston versus DI. That might be a personal preference, but to me, it makes it the more durable weapon that's a better host for a suppressor as well.
Just put one on layaway and was hesitant and felt regret doing it because I have a rattler already and felt I was just buying the same thing but this video sold me on it and glad I snatched it up before someone else did. I also think this one looks way sexier with that gray and will be much easier to handle. The rattler for me feels awkward when I hold it due to the short handguard. I also use it as just a backpack gun but then again getting this one i don't see the point in the rattler as much. Yeah its small and compact but id rather just carry this.
My thoughts exactly. I loved the Rattler, and it will still have it's uses and convenience to be able to travel REALLY light in a backpack, but the Virtus pistol is the better all around option. And it's still small enough to tuck away in a larger backpack or small gun case.
@@asianboy8969if I had to choose one it would be the Rattler. It’s size and firepower make it an awesome backpack / truck gun. And suppressed is something else. I do love my Virtus as well!
How did you install the muzzle device? The original muzzle device is made specific to the tapered Barrel. Which washer did you used for the installed Barrel? Can't find any videos for a mcx muzzle swap
Got the last one on guns.com lol. Yeah, they're definitely getting harder to come by. GunBroker is the only option now, but definitely comes at a premium.
Have you had issues with lighter supersonic bullets coming apart? I have been researching 1:5 twist 9" barrels and some say that lighter bullets can come apart with this twist rate.
All I've been shooting thus far is 123gr supersonics, but I've seen nothing close to bullets coming apart. On the contrary, it's shown nothing more than excellent accuracy. I've never tried anything lighter than 120gr though. Couldn't tell you about any of those rounds.
@Dirk Dingle A 5.56 Rattler is a purpose-built pistol/SBR: a highly concealable and effective PDW *in its intended role.* Having said that, it can ring steel much farther away.
@Dirk Dingle Beyond Seclusion did a TH-cam video with the Rattler in 5.56 where he was able to push it out to 300 yards. And had Very Good results at 200 yards. Not bad for a firearm with a 5 1/2 inch barrel. Oh... and NO Keyholing.
@Dirk Dingle Berry no you don’t. It depends on it intended use. I don’t believe in 5.56 under 10 inches but if it’s intended purpose is to be a CQB weapon then it’s effectiveness out past 100 yards is irrelevant. You are prioritizing mobility and size over range in that case. You have multiple rifles for multiple uses and that’s how it should be. Know the purpose for each weapon system.
@@EchoDelta2A I was under the impression you needed some kind of adaptor to run a different muzzle device that key mods to another suppressor because sig made it have a taper cut that was proprietary to their suppressor line so you had to call them to get a device to give you the right angle to mount another muzzle device for a suppressor
I'm not in a state where I can run any suppressor, so I can't tell you for sure if you plan on doing so. What I can tell you is that if your goal is simply to use a different muzzle brake or flash hider, all you'd need is that crush washer or shims. It would make sense to use only the Sig approved suppressors that utilize the taper for QD attachment or to limit carbon build up on the threads though
It's not a stock, but a two piece brace adapter. Go to Gearheadworks' website and search for Sig Spin Adapter. Should be a $30-40 piece. Then search for their Mod1C tailhook. If you search TH-cam for "Virtus Tailhook" you'll find a video that shows how to remove the spinning brace and replace it with this one. Hope this helps!
I have that same blanket. Excellent choice.
Holy shit!! So do I!!! Fncking costco.
19:40 Rattler in 5.56 with 5" barrel option was really/only for simunition training in shoot houses on the 300blk platform, not for actually firing 5.56 ammo.
This is known and confirmed by sig. it’s why the pin and welded those muzzle devices
wow. what a beauty!! no expense spared. What a beautiful piece of art. that's how i see it. A carefully machined piece of art.
I can relate to you totally. I bought 3 rattlers too including the canebrake as well. Now I'm having a hard time finding a 300 blk out virtus lol.
I'm in the same boat, deciding between this and Sig MCX Rattler 5.5" in 300 BLK. I'm gonna go wit the Virtus after watching this.
You won't regret it!
I made the same "mistake" and got a Rattler when I actually wanted a Virtus. It was actually a mistake since the Rattler has it's own unique aspects. I've finally got the last piece of my 300BLK Virtus build on the way.
I really like the 6.75” tacops
When the pandemic started I was able to find 300 blackout and no 5.56. Now 5.56 is stacked at my local academy’s but haven’t seen any 300 blackout for months. Hopefully when all this sets and clears more manufactures will be manufacturing 300 aac and make it more affordable.
Freedom munitions is a good place for 300 blackout
Admittedly, I never thought much about getting a Virtus, but that rifle looks SLICK.
Go with a .300blk. More ammo options in bad situations and it's an easy upper change for a 5.56
Your first minute and thirty seconds is me 100%. Now I can't get a MCX Virtus 11.5 inch anywhere. I have 3 rattlers lol!
I feel you brother lool. Yeah, this dry market really sucks. Hopefully, once Biden's bluff on this assault weapons ban plays itself out - we can get back to some sort of normalcy in the gun market.
Why do you have 3 Sig rattlers, just curious why you want 3 of the same rifle? To each his own, I have a lot of rifles to but not the exact same one.
I've been contemplating the past couple months but I think i'm gonna get it. Now I just have to find one haha
That brake looks so long on that short barrel. Id get the single port brake.
Such a fun gun tho.
Yes yes i’ve been saying the same thing I got my 10mm B&T and my 300 Mcx rattler and I have not had trouble finding ammo but 9mm and 556 Was too expensive
I have the legacy MCX in 5.56 and I love it, it is compact and can carry it in a XL vertex bag but it’s a bit heavy to carry. I am looking to get one of these as a travel gun because I do like to travel out of state and like a rifle caliber gun, and this being a pistol allows me to carry across state lines and feels that niche. I love the size of the virtus and the feel, I don’t want the Rattler because it’s just too small. This is my cqb travel choice
My dream gun 😍
Dude you’re nuts I still have trouble finding subsonic 300 blackout, I’ve always been able to buy 556 in bulk no problem. Which is why I originally had a rattler and bought a Vertis upper only and 11.5 inch 556. Love them both still rarely shoot the Radler because the ammo is number one way more expensive in number two way harder to find
I hear ya, but I'm telling you - during the pandemic, I could find every type of 300BO at every gun shop, Cabela's, Bass Pro, etc. What I couldn't find to save my life was any 223/5.56, 9mm, or 45ACP. All the most common cartridges were nowhere to be found. It was scary. Not saying that'll be a regular occurrence but when there are ammo shortages, historically, it's always the common rounds that take the biggest price hike before they're disappearing from brick and mortar and online retailers.
Have you done or are you intending on doing a video on the Canebrake??....I just recently bought one and looking for more videos and opinions it!! thx!
Congrats on your purchase! You just got yourself one helluva firearm! I owned one about a year or so ago. Loved it as much as any other MCX I've owned. Only thing I wasn't fond of was the wide grip needed on that girthy handguard, but it definitely looked sexier with it than without.
@@EchoDelta2A yeah I agree!!…well thx for the reply I really appreciate it!!….great videos by the way!!
What is the mythical store you speak of that has bothered the rattler and the 9” 300 blk out virtus in stock???
I bought mine off guns.com about 6 months ago. Not sure if they're back in stock or not, but it's worth a try.
Rattler 300blkout is pretty much the ultimate backpack/truck rig. Running 110-125gr supers it's plenty dead on out to 200yds. Have dedicated DeadAir Wolf. Can run it in short or long config. I run all MCX's/Rattlers suppressed. There's a substantial size difference between 11.5 Virtus and 5.5 Rattler. 9" Virtus loses the compact size attribute that Rattler has and at 9" I'd much rather just size up to my much more capable 11.5 Virtus. On another note, once you start shooting your guns, you best not be putting them on white comforters lol. I did like the full mag, bolt forward, safety off, ready to rumble ☺️.
Virtus 11.5" 5.56 can also quick barrel change to 6.75" 300BLK. The actual barrel lengths are shorter than that even on Rattler.
Thanks for your insight vato, I was between the rattler or this, now I’m leaning towards this 9in variant
Virtus barrel swaps options are limited now, get while you can
On Sigs website, they say they discontinued the 9” 300 BLK. No idea why...
That makes the two of us. New model on the way? 🤔
@@EchoDelta2A Not too sure. It looks like they're discontinuing both 5.56 & 300blk SBR's. The 300 blk 9" display photo on their site says they discontinuing that, and both SBR's aren't in their 2021 catalogue. The pistol variations are still being sold though.
Typical Sig
@@Dylgray it makes no sense to sale a factory SBR anymore unless Joe gets his way. It takes as long as a suppressor as you have to form 4 them and wait up to a year for the tax stamp where you can form 1 a pistol version and your tax stamp comes back in a few months.
@@absoluteresolution3822 very true, took solid 9 months for form 4 SBR but form 1 is weeks to month it seems
I purchased a Legacy (New) SBR in November 2020 and got it for a steal (Because it is a Legacy as opposed to a Virtus)... I have yet to fire it. I really have to get to the range with it. Maybe I'll go today.
Not the sexiest? The Virtus is the crème de la crème in my opinion, maybe only shared with the straight black TacOps version. Filled out the paperwork for mine last week. It’s the pinnacle of my Sig collection.
Dude, loaded magazine inserted, bolt forward and off safe? What’s up with that?
Bolt forward. I'd have to charge it to insert a round. I never leave one chambered, ever. Probably gotta do a better job of showcasing that to the audience though. I'll try to do so moving forward 😉
@@EchoDelta2A you’re all good buddy
Where did you buy thos I can't find a mcx pistol in 300blk
Yeah, they're all sold out right now. You can probably still find one on GunBroker, but they won't be cheap. The UPC code for that exact one is: 798681578313
You can search on GunBroker or on gun.deals to see if anyone has one for sale
I just realized that several weeks ago, you told me that you sold your Robinson Armament XCR-M on Armslist (several months ago). Whats weird is, me and my pops were looking at an XCR-M on Armslist that had the same paint job and specs as the one you had, around the time you sold it! Ultimately we by the time we made our decision it was sold! We live in Illinois and I wonder if it was yours!?
Either way, great review brother!! I'm a fan of the Virtus. Definitely an excellent rifle and a perfect example of what a gas piston rifle can be. We just need to get you a CZ Bren 2S (not the 2MS) and a Robinson Armament XCR-M (again lol). Like I told you a little while ago, I feel like PCC's are fizzling out. Although, they still have their uses. That said, even if they don't completely go away, you already have the best PCC (B&T APC 9) made, no need for more in the future!
Alex, nothing would've pleased me more than that XCR having been sold to you 😞. Live and learn my friend. I don't mind regrets, though. They really help me narrow down my final collection 😁. Got another PCC on the way, but the XCR and BREN are both back on my radar!
I got a flawless decked out cz bren 2 ms 11 incg x39 if anyone is interested.
hey bro, mcx virtus 9in or switchblade 11.5in? they look similar but switchblade is less expensive?
Without a doubt, the Virtus. The Virtus will retain more value because it's the "M13" and because it's features in video games. Also, it's piston versus DI. That might be a personal preference, but to me, it makes it the more durable weapon that's a better host for a suppressor as well.
Just put one on layaway and was hesitant and felt regret doing it because I have a rattler already and felt I was just buying the same thing but this video sold me on it and glad I snatched it up before someone else did. I also think this one looks way sexier with that gray and will be much easier to handle. The rattler for me feels awkward when I hold it due to the short handguard. I also use it as just a backpack gun but then again getting this one i don't see the point in the rattler as much. Yeah its small and compact but id rather just carry this.
My thoughts exactly. I loved the Rattler, and it will still have it's uses and convenience to be able to travel REALLY light in a backpack, but the Virtus pistol is the better all around option. And it's still small enough to tuck away in a larger backpack or small gun case.
Just keep both! I have the Virtus 11.5” in 5.56 and the Rattler in 300 Blackout. Planning to suppress the Rattler and bring its true colors out.
So which one between the two do you like the most? I am a little tied between the two.
@@asianboy8969if I had to choose one it would be the Rattler. It’s size and firepower make it an awesome backpack / truck gun. And suppressed is something else. I do love my Virtus as well!
Awesome guns I would just swap the calibers 556 in 11.5 and 300 blk in5.5 inch barrel it just makes sense ballistically speaking
300blk barrel length ideally 8-9". Virtus has the 11.5" 5.56, 9" 300 BLK, and 6.75" 300BLK quick swap barrel options.
How did you install the muzzle device?
The original muzzle device is made specific to the tapered Barrel.
Which washer did you used for the installed Barrel?
Can't find any videos for a mcx muzzle swap
I bought the Dead Air Muzzle Brake. It came with several different sized shims to use. Fit on nice and snug.
😍 300 blk virtus. How long folded? Seems to be the perfect truck gun
About 22" when folded. Definitely compact enough for a truck gun!
I just replaced my brace with a fs1913 aluminum from sb tactical
Where are you still finding 300 blackout? My state and the two local states have been dry at local gun shops.
GunBroker... Only, GunBroker.
@@EchoDelta2A thanks
Where did you find one? I can’t get one anywhere UT🤦♂️
Got the last one on guns.com lol. Yeah, they're definitely getting harder to come by. GunBroker is the only option now, but definitely comes at a premium.
With the no spin adapter, does the tailhook just fit onto the original brace? Or is it a new brace entirely?
No, the adapter is necessary for the tailhook to fit either way. The diameter of the stock brace adapter is different from that of the tailhook
Did you have to add anything with the dead air muzzle device since the mcx has that weird taper barrel
Just a crush washer and a couple shims.
Have you had issues with lighter supersonic bullets coming apart? I have been researching 1:5 twist 9" barrels and some say that lighter bullets can come apart with this twist rate.
All I've been shooting thus far is 123gr supersonics, but I've seen nothing close to bullets coming apart. On the contrary, it's shown nothing more than excellent accuracy. I've never tried anything lighter than 120gr though. Couldn't tell you about any of those rounds.
@@EchoDelta2A Thanks for the reply man
A 5.56 Rattler will definitely get the job done reliably within 75 or even 100 yds. A .300 BLK, 300-350 yds, easily.
@Dirk Dingle A 5.56 Rattler is a purpose-built pistol/SBR: a highly concealable and effective PDW *in its intended role.* Having said that, it can ring steel much farther away.
@Dirk Dingle
Beyond Seclusion did a TH-cam video with the Rattler in 5.56 where he was able to push it out to 300 yards. And had Very Good results at 200 yards. Not bad for a firearm with a 5 1/2 inch barrel. Oh... and NO Keyholing.
@Dirk Dingle Berry no you don’t. It depends on it intended use. I don’t believe in 5.56 under 10 inches but if it’s intended purpose is to be a CQB weapon then it’s effectiveness out past 100 yards is irrelevant. You are prioritizing mobility and size over range in that case. You have multiple rifles for multiple uses and that’s how it should be. Know the purpose for each weapon system.
Question, does brace make contact with the battery assist lever in the folded position?
It kisses it but not the point of engaging it or causing any scratches. Literally just by a hair.
Was there anything additional you needed to do on the Sig MCX barrel to thread on dead air muzzle device?
Just needed to add on a crush washer is all.
@@EchoDelta2A okay I just have the shims.
You can even make due with shims but it'll take quite a few of them
@@EchoDelta2A I was under the impression you needed some kind of adaptor to run a different muzzle device that key mods to another suppressor because sig made it have a taper cut that was proprietary to their suppressor line so you had to call them to get a device to give you the right angle to mount another muzzle device for a suppressor
I'm not in a state where I can run any suppressor, so I can't tell you for sure if you plan on doing so. What I can tell you is that if your goal is simply to use a different muzzle brake or flash hider, all you'd need is that crush washer or shims. It would make sense to use only the Sig approved suppressors that utilize the taper for QD attachment or to limit carbon build up on the threads though
Did you buy this recently? I've been looking for this for the better part of 2 years
It was a couple months ago. Got the last one listed on guns.com.
@@EchoDelta2A wow, were extremely lucky
How does the brace adapter affect the sbr laws?
I don't even think someone from the ATF could currently answer that lol. Let's just hope that bill gets squashed before we need to find out.
Where can we find a mod1c?
Best to buy it directly from gearheadworks' website
Is that the pistol variant?
Yes, it's the 9 inch pistol.
@@EchoDelta2A thanks
Where did you find this in stock?
It's not a stock, but a two piece brace adapter. Go to Gearheadworks' website and search for Sig Spin Adapter. Should be a $30-40 piece. Then search for their Mod1C tailhook. If you search TH-cam for "Virtus Tailhook" you'll find a video that shows how to remove the spinning brace and replace it with this one. Hope this helps!
@@EchoDelta2A Thank you. I was actually referring to the MCX Virtus in 300 BLK. I can’t find one anywhere in stock
GunBroker...rip to your wallet lol
Lol. I actually got the last one available on guns.com
@@EchoDelta2A Dang it. Thank you for letting me know.
😍😻 . Does that come in a 16 inch barrel ? Asking for a friend
It does, indeed.
Great vidio.got a sub from me ;)
Lol. Nothing is born for battle if they don’t make ammo for that caliber 😂
Ammo is a bitch to get in any caliber nowadays. I guess there are no guns worthy of battle in this shortage 😂
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My editor is likely pissed at you 😂. He loves that lo-fi hip hop! 🤣