I'm so glad I watched this video because I had no idea that the 300 blackout bullet was a 308 bullet simply stuffed into a smaller casing. I learned something new today!
I have studied this debate and have come to a conclusion. The round that is best to use is the one you can afford. It's also the one that would be in most abundance, should we have a grid down situation. Therefore, my choice would be the 5.56 as best choice for a go-to round based solely on affordability and availability.
I concur regarding having a .556 rifle in a grid down scenario, simply because most likely that's what everyone else will have. That would be my weapon of choice if I was going out with a group of men on some type of mission. But if it was just me alone I'd choose the 308 cartridge because of its knock down power and range. I'm building an AR10 Aero Precision 308 with a 16 inch barrel as my apocalypse rifle.
Great comparison of these modern sporting rifle cartridges. I will say the last few years I have enjoyed playing with the 300AAC and the knockdown power on pigs is a little more comforting than a .223 without breaking the bank on ammo. I will say on magazines if using larger grain rounds as with the subsonic rounds they may mis feed in standard .223 mags. Although now I have 300 Blackout specific mags and also paint them to keep from any chance of getting mags or ammo mixed up with .223 loads. Keep up the great work cheers!
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog The only hunting I do with the 300 is for Hogs on the deer lease. Its my ranch gun that seems to find its way into the truck for any adventures out on the property. The primary load is 125gr HP that seems to consistently shoot around 2175 FPS. I did buy a box of actual hunting ammo last season but have never shot it yet. I do have a night optic that I am going to mount to try a little night hog adventure as they seem to making their way more and more onto the property.
I hunted deer in the Adirondacks of NYS using the Ruger 44 magnum carbine with tubular magazine. It was a 125 yd. gun at best. It was a nice gun to carry in the woods up and down hills and sometimes rough terrain. Most hunting was on drives and still hunting where weight mattered. We did a lot of hiking. It would put a deer down in short order. However, the 44 ammo was heavy to carry extras and the tubular magazine was a pain to load and unload each day. The gas adjustment screw would also back out from recoil on occasion and cause a jam. Cost me at least one buck. I always hoped Ruger would add something like the 300 BLK to the Ruger carbine but with a removable magazine, 5 round for deer, 20 round for feral hogs and self defense.. Ruger's ranch rifle and updated 44 magnum were too heavy, clumsy to carry, and generally crap for deer hunting compared to the original 44 carbine. And I know few traditional deer hunters who would want to carry an AR for deer. But a Ruger 44 mag style Carbine in 300 blk I would buy.
My personal choice is 7.62 x 39 and .308. Both serve my needs for almost any given situation, although I do use 5.56 or 10mm for home defense primarily.
I have one 5.56 and looking to expand....I like the 300blk but good ammo is hard to find and even the junk is pricy. Leaning towards .308 due to ammo availability
You guys know you can shoot sub 308 out of 308 bolt action LOL??? Yeup you can buy them at the store and you have a 300 BO coming out of your 308 rifle.
Ruger's new lightweight 308 AR -- OUGHT to be a game changer,hands down. However this should be in addition to a 5.56 AR -- Due to the sheer proliferation and availability of that caliber-- NOW we'd have the best of both worlds
I took a very hard look at Ruger's SFAR but the fact that it had some critical proprietary parts especially the bolt carrier and all them extra holes so as to mitigate recoil .... I took a hard pass and went with Aero Precision M5 .308 with 16 inch barrel. Being lightweight was nice, but utterly useless in grid down scenario if the rifle breaks and I can’t find parts to repair it because it's so rare.
Absolutely! I've already done one on the 6.5 Grendel vs 5.56 (th-cam.com/video/RzPA9N0sbqk/w-d-xo.html). Is there another comparison you'd like to see with the 6.5 Grendel?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Yes I watched and loved the review. Maybe 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 spc And another that might be comparable 🤷🏻♂️ I use my Grendel for 🦌 I use 129 gr nosler ablr love it
Overkill is exactly what I would want in a zombie apocalypse or long term civil unrest scenario. With ammunition being at a premium in such a scenario, I ain't got time to be shooting a motherfucka more than once. Lol This is why I like the 308 and 300 blackout. Because even if a person is wearing plate armor, they ain't gonna just shrug off a hit to the chest when they get hit with those bullets.
haha. 5.56 is one of the most versatile rounds out there. It's standard issue by the U.S military because it can do so many things and good from 4yds to 400yds. Also the 223/556 has more power (ft/lbs of energy) than .300 blackout.
Apples to apples (same bullet type to same bullet type and with the same barrel length), the 223/556 most certainly does NOT have more energy than the 300 Blackout. Comparing supersonic 223/556 ammo to subsonic 300 Blackout? Sure. Supersonic to supersonic? The 300 Blackout is absolutely more powerful, especially up close, which is the whole point of the 300 Blackout in the first place.
You make a good point, but this is a good example of the importance of an "apples to apples" comparison. Sounds like you're talking about a 5.56 load from Hornady shooting a 75gr Match bullet with a (relatively) high BC bullet from a 24" barrel and comparing it to a 110gr Barnes TAC-TX (which has a much lower BC) fired from a 16" barrel. The Barnes bullet is great for hunting, the Match bullet is not. Compare a Barnes 5.56 or 223 load to the 300 Blackout and you'll see that they fall short of the 300 here. Furthermore, if you shoot that 5.56 load in a 16" barrel like the 300 Blackout, then you'll lose probably 200+fps from the muzzle velocity relative to what's advertised. That will dramatically reduce the real world performance of that load. So like I said, I can certainly imagine isolated cases like this where the 5.56 is producing better ballistics than the 300 Blackout, but I stand by my assessment that, apples to apples, the 300 Blackout is more powerful than the 5.56. It's not as big of a gap between the 300 and 5.56/223 as is the case with other cartridges like the 6.5 Grendel vs 5.56/223, but it would generally be an accurate statement to say that the 300 Blackout is more powerful than the 223/556.
What if you have no intention on owning a suppressor or a pistol carbine/SBR? Should I get .300blk to shoot from a 16in barrel? What are the benefits?🤔
If you’re not gonna suppress it, then .300 is just a less capable .308. At that point just get 5.56 in 16 if you wanna save money on ammo or .308 if you want a real battle rifle.
definitely don't get 16 inch .300 BO. unless maybe for hunting and even for hunting you're committing yourself to less than 200yds. If you can handle a 16 inch barrel you might as well go with an AR10 (308). You have range up to 800yds with practice.
That's a good question. Lots of cartridges have weird names that don't necessarily match up to the exact size bullet they use. It's confusing and frustrating, but that's the way it goes sometimes. Among other cartridges, the 222 Remington (yes, 222) the 220 Swift, the 22-250 Remington, the 218 Bee, and the 219 Zipper all use .224" bullets.
The exotic game in the middle east dropped faster with the 300blk.. even with 77gr TAP on the 5.56.. you'd need to pump 5+ Rnds to drop em on the spot.
There's a reason why the SEALS were among the first in the military to stop using the M855 ball load for the 5.56. And it wasn't because the M855 was super effective on bad guys....
7.62 x 39 would be your best choice. Give then a taste of their own medicine I say lmao. Though if it's just the above, .308 because 5.56 is weak sauce, and 300 BLK isn't exactly what I would call a combat round except in close quarters.
@@jasonlopez4855 You're indeed mistaken buddy. 300 win mag slows down faster than 308. Federal's ballistic charts show after just 300 yds 308 has more velocity and ft/lbs energy (power) than 300 win mag. This is why the U.S military uses 308 for their sniping round. Also AR10's (308) are standard issue in the military.
Not sure where you're getting this info, but with the same bullets and same type of load, the 300 Win Mag will ALWAYS have more velocity and more kinetic energy than the 308. Sure, if you take a very high BC bullet from the 308 and compare it to the 300 Win Mag shooting a very low BC bullet the 308 will catch the 300 Win Mag. But with the same bullets and when comparing full power loads for both the 300 Win Mag will be flatter shooting, faster, and more powerful at all ranges. This is why certain US Military snipers like Chris Kyle preferred the 300 Win Mag over the 308.
I'm so glad I watched this video because I had no idea that the 300 blackout bullet was a 308 bullet simply stuffed into a smaller casing. I learned something new today!
I recently bought an AR10 and equipped it nicely, extremely capable rifle, love it.
During Covid I couldn't find 556 anywhere, but the 308 and even 7.62×51 was still on the shelves. Always good to have a AR10.
I feel the same way. 308 was the only cartridge that never completely went away where I lived
Thank you for providing such wide perspective in choosing & use.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have studied this debate and have come to a conclusion. The round that is best to use is the one you can afford. It's also the one that would be in most abundance, should we have a grid down situation. Therefore, my choice would be the 5.56 as best choice for a go-to round based solely on affordability and availability.
I concur regarding having a .556 rifle in a grid down scenario, simply because most likely that's what everyone else will have.
That would be my weapon of choice if I was going out with a group of men on some type of mission.
But if it was just me alone I'd choose the 308 cartridge because of its knock down power and range. I'm building an AR10 Aero Precision 308 with a 16 inch barrel as my apocalypse rifle.
I'm very confused after watching your video on why you don't have more followers! Great video in my opinion 👍
I appreciate that! Working hard to fix that problem :)
Great comparison of these modern sporting rifle cartridges. I will say the last few years I have enjoyed playing with the 300AAC and the knockdown power on pigs is a little more comforting than a .223 without breaking the bank on ammo. I will say on magazines if using larger grain rounds as with the subsonic rounds they may mis feed in standard .223 mags. Although now I have 300 Blackout specific mags and also paint them to keep from any chance of getting mags or ammo mixed up with .223 loads. Keep up the great work cheers!
Thanks Stan! What's your preferred 300 Blackout load to actually hunt with?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog The only hunting I do with the 300 is for Hogs on the deer lease. Its my ranch gun that seems to find its way into the truck for any adventures out on the property. The primary load is 125gr HP that seems to consistently shoot around 2175 FPS. I did buy a box of actual hunting ammo last season but have never shot it yet. I do have a night optic that I am going to mount to try a little night hog adventure as they seem to making their way more and more onto the property.
I have and love all 3
Awesome!
I hunted deer in the Adirondacks of NYS using the Ruger 44 magnum carbine with tubular magazine. It was a 125 yd. gun at best. It was a nice gun to carry in the woods up and down hills and sometimes rough terrain. Most hunting was on drives and still hunting where weight mattered. We did a lot of hiking. It would put a deer down in short order. However, the 44 ammo was heavy to carry extras and the tubular magazine was a pain to load and unload each day. The gas adjustment screw would also back out from recoil on occasion and cause a jam. Cost me at least one buck. I always hoped Ruger would add something like the 300 BLK to the Ruger carbine but with a removable magazine, 5 round for deer, 20 round for feral hogs and self defense.. Ruger's ranch rifle and updated 44 magnum were too heavy, clumsy to carry, and generally crap for deer hunting compared to the original 44 carbine. And I know few traditional deer hunters who would want to carry an AR for deer. But a Ruger 44 mag style Carbine in 300 blk I would buy.
It sounds to me like you could carry a 300BLK and 308, and skip the 223/556.
Great knowledge in this video . Thanks very much for this
P.S. Hunting 308 prefered. plinking 556 and BO. My opinion seems same as yours ,subbed
Glad it was helpful!
My personal choice is 7.62 x 39 and .308. Both serve my needs for almost any given situation, although I do use 5.56 or 10mm for home defense primarily.
outstanding comps like to see 300 win mag vs 300 wsm
Thanks! And that's a good idea for a future show!
300wsm with berger highbred pills is my #1 fave.
I have one 5.56 and looking to expand....I like the 300blk but good ammo is hard to find and even the junk is pricy. Leaning towards .308 due to ammo availability
did you ever buy a .308?!! your comment is from 2 years ago, but now you can get a Ruger sfar in .308!! I bought one, love it!!
THANKYOU MY FRIEND FOR THE BREAK DOWN AND COMPARISON I BELIEVE I WOULD TAKE THE 300 BLACK OUT FOR THE MOST OF IT IN THE AR 15 LONG
I have all 3 in bolt action love em all
Me too!
You guys know you can shoot sub 308 out of 308 bolt action LOL??? Yeup you can buy them at the store and you have a 300 BO coming out of your 308 rifle.
Ruger's new lightweight 308 AR -- OUGHT to be a game changer,hands down. However this should be in addition to a 5.56 AR -- Due to the sheer proliferation and availability of that caliber-- NOW we'd have the best of both worlds
I took a very hard look at Ruger's SFAR but the fact that it had some critical proprietary parts especially the bolt carrier and all them extra holes so as to mitigate recoil .... I took a hard pass and went with Aero Precision M5 .308 with 16 inch barrel.
Being lightweight was nice, but utterly useless in grid down scenario if the rifle breaks and I can’t find parts to repair it because it's so rare.
Can you do a review on 6.5 Grendel?
Absolutely! I've already done one on the 6.5 Grendel vs 5.56 (th-cam.com/video/RzPA9N0sbqk/w-d-xo.html). Is there another comparison you'd like to see with the 6.5 Grendel?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog
Yes I watched and loved the review.
Maybe 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 spc
And another that might be comparable 🤷🏻♂️
I use my Grendel for 🦌
I use 129 gr nosler ablr love it
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog
The third could be 7.62x39🤷🏻♂️
Great video.
I would be curious to see comparisons between nato and non nato (5.56 vs .223 and 7.62 vs .308)
Great suggestion!
300 blackout is a very versatile round with subsonic and supersonic, the 308 is overkill for most situations, the 5.56 is a one trick pony.
Overkill is exactly what I would want in a zombie apocalypse or long term civil unrest scenario.
With ammunition being at a premium in such a scenario, I ain't got time to be shooting a motherfucka more than once. Lol
This is why I like the 308 and 300 blackout. Because even if a person is wearing plate armor, they ain't gonna just shrug off a hit to the chest when they get hit with those bullets.
haha. 5.56 is one of the most versatile rounds out there. It's standard issue by the U.S military because it can do so many things and good from 4yds to 400yds. Also the 223/556 has more power (ft/lbs of energy) than .300 blackout.
Apples to apples (same bullet type to same bullet type and with the same barrel length), the 223/556 most certainly does NOT have more energy than the 300 Blackout. Comparing supersonic 223/556 ammo to subsonic 300 Blackout? Sure. Supersonic to supersonic? The 300 Blackout is absolutely more powerful, especially up close, which is the whole point of the 300 Blackout in the first place.
You make a good point, but this is a good example of the importance of an "apples to apples" comparison. Sounds like you're talking about a 5.56 load from Hornady shooting a 75gr Match bullet with a (relatively) high BC bullet from a 24" barrel and comparing it to a 110gr Barnes TAC-TX (which has a much lower BC) fired from a 16" barrel. The Barnes bullet is great for hunting, the Match bullet is not. Compare a Barnes 5.56 or 223 load to the 300 Blackout and you'll see that they fall short of the 300 here. Furthermore, if you shoot that 5.56 load in a 16" barrel like the 300 Blackout, then you'll lose probably 200+fps from the muzzle velocity relative to what's advertised. That will dramatically reduce the real world performance of that load. So like I said, I can certainly imagine isolated cases like this where the 5.56 is producing better ballistics than the 300 Blackout, but I stand by my assessment that, apples to apples, the 300 Blackout is more powerful than the 5.56. It's not as big of a gap between the 300 and 5.56/223 as is the case with other cartridges like the 6.5 Grendel vs 5.56/223, but it would generally be an accurate statement to say that the 300 Blackout is more powerful than the 223/556.
What if you have no intention on owning a suppressor or a pistol carbine/SBR? Should I get .300blk to shoot from a 16in barrel? What are the benefits?🤔
If you’re not gonna suppress it, then .300 is just a less capable .308. At that point just get 5.56 in 16 if you wanna save money on ammo or .308 if you want a real battle rifle.
definitely don't get 16 inch .300 BO. unless maybe for hunting and even for hunting you're committing yourself to less than 200yds. If you can handle a 16 inch barrel you might as well go with an AR10 (308). You have range up to 800yds with practice.
I would be interested in a video comparison of 28 nosler 30 nosler and 300 prc. Any chance we could see that in the future?
Yes, that's something I could probably do in the future. I've got a few other videos I was planning on doing first though.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I understand you probably have projects and ideas in the works. But it wouldn be appreciated thanks!
Shoot me an email at john@thebiggamehuntingblog.com and we can discuss things offline if you'd like
CZ 527 is a quality lightweight 300 blk bolt action rifle with 5 shot detachable box magazine.
perfect 👌 👌 perfection video
Glad you think so!
I like to see 300 Blackout in M1 Carbine.
That would be cool!
I have one question ❓ the 223 is really a 224 round right so why 223 and not 224?
That's a good question. Lots of cartridges have weird names that don't necessarily match up to the exact size bullet they use. It's confusing and frustrating, but that's the way it goes sometimes. Among other cartridges, the 222 Remington (yes, 222) the 220 Swift, the 22-250 Remington, the 218 Bee, and the 219 Zipper all use .224" bullets.
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Don't forget the .22 Magnum uses a .224 bullet as well.
None of these are legal in h state, but it was a nice video.
The exotic game in the middle east dropped faster with the 300blk.. even with 77gr TAP on the 5.56.. you'd need to pump 5+ Rnds to drop em on the spot.
Tell me more about those experiences with the 300 Blackout. What ammo were you using in it?
@Big Game Hunting Blog I have terrible memory, brother.
There's a reason why the SEALS were among the first in the military to stop using the M855 ball load for the 5.56. And it wasn't because the M855 was super effective on bad guys....
@@JoeJohnson-i9d ok, Boot.. Did you go outside the wire to take a piss at least??
Why not have all three?
I do. And I love them all for what they are. :)
I just like knowing something .30 is impacting ! ( AR platform ).
There you go!
300 aac
Smaller than it appeared in the photo
Which one?
What civilian setup would work best in a Russian invasion? and you can only pick one.
308
7.62 x 39 would be your best choice. Give then a taste of their own medicine I say lmao. Though if it's just the above, .308 because 5.56 is weak sauce, and 300 BLK isn't exactly what I would call a combat round except in close quarters.
You cannot compare three wildly different cartridges
Why not?
One of the best videos to actually see the differences. Great comparison .
I'll take 308 then 223 then 300 black out
Fair enough
30-06 is the best still lol
Fudd lore
300 win mag is the do everything round.
308win is just too small and people think that the 300 blackout is the same ⁉️🤔
Don't think so 🤨
.308 does the same job with lighter weight and better availability.
@@jasonlopez4855 You're indeed mistaken buddy. 300 win mag slows down faster than 308. Federal's ballistic charts show after just 300 yds 308 has more velocity and ft/lbs energy (power) than 300 win mag. This is why the U.S military uses 308 for their sniping round. Also AR10's (308) are standard issue in the military.
Not sure where you're getting this info, but with the same bullets and same type of load, the 300 Win Mag will ALWAYS have more velocity and more kinetic energy than the 308. Sure, if you take a very high BC bullet from the 308 and compare it to the 300 Win Mag shooting a very low BC bullet the 308 will catch the 300 Win Mag. But with the same bullets and when comparing full power loads for both the 300 Win Mag will be flatter shooting, faster, and more powerful at all ranges. This is why certain US Military snipers like Chris Kyle preferred the 300 Win Mag over the 308.
Ron spomer alternative
What do you mean?
No AK is the best 😂LOL
AK ammo sucks from short barrels vs 300 blackout
I know who wins