Hearing this I feel even more lucky as hell with my supervisor I see him every week, he is patient with me and accommodates and plans around my disability and all in all a great dude to work with and knows how to go around different apartments to help find advice and training for me.
Last year Ph.D. student here. These are very good points! I can tell this is really what supervisors do/make you feel. Thanks for the reminder that they need us more than we need them.
In my opinion, and depending on the severity: unionizing against your supervisor might get you what you want in the short run, but may make you unpopular with all of their contacts. We all know how critical their networks and recommendations are for the 'next big step'.
How come there be an union for Phd/graduate students and PostDocs? You are not making hard physical useful products down in the assembly line like automotive workers in Ford company or coal miners in a mining town. Those Ford workers and miners are in the industry. Phd/graduate students and PostDocs are not in the industry. Your research outputs may turn out to be junk, useless and rubbish works with zero contribution value to human society.
Great video. I think we all need to see things from the other side! I do thank my supervisor repeatedly. I know I am necessary evil. I try to make my call on his time as minimal as possible. But I just wish he would at least pretend he is interested. Lolol! And gentle nudge about ageism! My supervisor is (guessing here) in his late 40s, early 50s so a good 20-30 years younger than me.! I've been through the demanding career bit. It just makes me less tolerant of his complacency. I always made sure I'd read the papers and had pertinent comments and questions before going into a meeting. So when he opens my email and attached piece of work as we speak, I really can't excuse him. I don't say anything,of course. The academia I see is of a cosy life. I've no idea what my supervisor does with his time. He's always about to log on to lecture under-grads when I talk to him (he speaks to me on the phone while he eats his breakfast) Haven't the foggiest what his research interests are! When I ask he changes the subject. He wrote a book 6 years ago, which I have. But anything else, is a void, as far as I know! Love your videos Andy. They really really keep me going! Than you so much!
Thank you Dr. Stapleton, but some of the PIs don't hide these, and shares them under the guise of openness, which stresses me out with the future of my PhD as I can't do any cool experiments. Moreover they make choices that essentially chooses their career advancement over mine, which in some sense teaches me about the academia system. Makes me feel dumb as I thought their success would be mine and vice versa. Half-way through in (US system) and I am already jaded at academia I'd stay out of it to cut the toxic cycle. I'd like to hear what your thought's on surviving in a small, junior lab other than by not joining (which I foolishly didn't do) or working your head off to survive.
Truth...your supervisor really does need you more than you need them. And not just for their own promotion dossiers and labor. For example, there are many NIH training programs at my US university. They get gobs of money for 5-10 years at a time. If they can't report back to the NIH that their trainees have become productive scientists or moved on to reputable postdoc, faculty, clinical, and industry jobs, then said gobs of money can be taken away. Especially if you are supervised by an unscrupulous junior professor, then you have tremendous leverage. In all likelihood, the senior faculty who are running the department, applying for big money to partially or fully fund training, and mentoring the junior faculty will clamp down on whatever sh!t the junior professor is doing. They need you to succeed, so they will likely work on your behalf. The same is true for departments. Departments don't want their students to have terrible experiences, and they can't do anything about it unless you call bullies out on their sh!t through appropriate channels. Besides, if someone is a jerk to their students, it's likely that they're jerks to other people. Other faculty and students may want them reprimanded too; you could be doing them a favor. As a student, I would like to see more students push back against misconduct. In the non-academic working world, people will probably either address the issue or go find another job.
Awesome 🤓! "$1 million grant is excellent but no time to celebrate with morning rubbish tea, cheap cake and instant coffee..." Long live the Supervisor!
I don't agree with the thanking business. I feel it is largely just a show. I feel like the thanking should come from actions rather than gesture alone. Both ways. Supervisors often thank us but waste our time like it doesn't matter to them since their careers are made. So thanking them any more just feels like added insult to injury.
What your supervisor doesn't want you to know - in STEM field, a top university official (university president/chancellor or VP/VC for research and innovation or someone inside the government or acting on behalf of government wants to nurture your supervisor's academic and research career. It is just that the "Government" and the "University" are dumb not to realize that your supervisor may not do any research work at all but to dump all research problems to his or her PhD students/PostDocs.
Thats all true ,i have noticed that how my supervisor feel shame when the group rank in university was low,although he was out standing with his work ,he almost doesn't do anything in his life only his publishing, teaching, supervision but all this not count in consideration. I had bad conversation with him becouse of that ,i felt frustrated becouse of low group evolution, i could not get grant but this not hid falt ,its university standards .it is really complicated job ,i dont want to work in it
Hearing this I feel even more lucky as hell with my supervisor I see him every week, he is patient with me and accommodates and plans around my disability and all in all a great dude to work with and knows how to go around different apartments to help find advice and training for me.
Last year Ph.D. student here. These are very good points! I can tell this is really what supervisors do/make you feel. Thanks for the reminder that they need us more than we need them.
Thanks for watching, Ian!
In my opinion, and depending on the severity: unionizing against your supervisor might get you what you want in the short run, but may make you unpopular with all of their contacts. We all know how critical their networks and recommendations are for the 'next big step'.
Good to be aware of that
How come there be an union for Phd/graduate students and PostDocs? You are not making hard physical useful products down in the assembly line like automotive workers in Ford company or coal miners in a mining town. Those Ford workers and miners are in the industry. Phd/graduate students and PostDocs are not in the industry. Your research outputs may turn out to be junk, useless and rubbish works with zero contribution value to human society.
I am starting my research career ... your videos are very insightful!
Totally agree! So much wisdom, thank you Andy.
Let’s hope your supervisor doesn’t find your comment here
I will never tell my supervisor that I watched any of your video 😂😂😂. Otherwise my supervisor knows my ‘secret weapon’ 😜
Great video. I think we all need to see things from the other side!
I do thank my supervisor repeatedly. I know I am necessary evil. I try to make my call on his time as minimal as possible. But I just wish he would at least pretend he is interested.
Lolol! And gentle nudge about ageism! My supervisor is (guessing here) in his late 40s, early 50s so a good 20-30 years younger than me.! I've been through the demanding career bit. It just makes me less tolerant of his complacency. I always made sure I'd read the papers and had pertinent comments and questions before going into a meeting. So when he opens my email and attached piece of work as we speak, I really can't excuse him. I don't say anything,of course.
The academia I see is of a cosy life. I've no idea what my supervisor does with his time. He's always about to log on to lecture under-grads when I talk to him (he speaks to me on the phone while he eats his breakfast) Haven't the foggiest what his research interests are! When I ask he changes the subject. He wrote a book 6 years ago, which I have. But anything else, is a void, as far as I know!
Love your videos Andy. They really really keep me going! Than you so much!
I love the always "hustling" part!!!
Okay now we need a video on how to talk to our sups like they are regular people 😄😅
Thank you too, doctor!
Thank you Dr. Stapleton, but some of the PIs don't hide these, and shares them under the guise of openness, which stresses me out with the future of my PhD as I can't do any cool experiments. Moreover they make choices that essentially chooses their career advancement over mine, which in some sense teaches me about the academia system. Makes me feel dumb as I thought their success would be mine and vice versa. Half-way through in (US system) and I am already jaded at academia I'd stay out of it to cut the toxic cycle.
I'd like to hear what your thought's on surviving in a small, junior lab other than by not joining (which I foolishly didn't do) or working your head off to survive.
Truth...your supervisor really does need you more than you need them. And not just for their own promotion dossiers and labor. For example, there are many NIH training programs at my US university. They get gobs of money for 5-10 years at a time. If they can't report back to the NIH that their trainees have become productive scientists or moved on to reputable postdoc, faculty, clinical, and industry jobs, then said gobs of money can be taken away. Especially if you are supervised by an unscrupulous junior professor, then you have tremendous leverage. In all likelihood, the senior faculty who are running the department, applying for big money to partially or fully fund training, and mentoring the junior faculty will clamp down on whatever sh!t the junior professor is doing. They need you to succeed, so they will likely work on your behalf. The same is true for departments. Departments don't want their students to have terrible experiences, and they can't do anything about it unless you call bullies out on their sh!t through appropriate channels. Besides, if someone is a jerk to their students, it's likely that they're jerks to other people. Other faculty and students may want them reprimanded too; you could be doing them a favor. As a student, I would like to see more students push back against misconduct. In the non-academic working world, people will probably either address the issue or go find another job.
Awesome 🤓! "$1 million grant is excellent but no time to celebrate with morning rubbish tea, cheap cake and instant coffee..." Long live the Supervisor!
Nice videos! Your videos really resonate with me.
How different you think the system is when you compare STEM and Humanities and Arts?
The ucal-berkley Phd/post-docs had a strike recently that lasted a month or two. I don't know what came of it
I don't agree with the thanking business. I feel it is largely just a show. I feel like the thanking should come from actions rather than gesture alone. Both ways. Supervisors often thank us but waste our time like it doesn't matter to them since their careers are made. So thanking them any more just feels like added insult to injury.
Applying for a PhD in physical chemistry.....Is there any chance I can talk to you??? I want to take some advices
What your supervisor doesn't want you to know - in STEM field, a top university official (university president/chancellor or VP/VC for research and innovation or someone inside the government or acting on behalf of government wants to nurture your supervisor's academic and research career. It is just that the "Government" and the "University" are dumb not to realize that your supervisor may not do any research work at all but to dump all research problems to his or her PhD students/PostDocs.
Thats all true ,i have noticed that how my supervisor feel shame when the group rank in university was low,although he was out standing with his work ,he almost doesn't do anything in his life only his publishing, teaching, supervision but all this not count in consideration. I had bad conversation with him becouse of that ,i felt frustrated becouse of low group evolution, i could not get grant but this not hid falt ,its university standards .it is really complicated job ,i dont want to work in it
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I am honestly tired of my guide..
🤣 rubbish teas lol
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