No One Chose to Exist
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In this short allegory, we follow a population of turtle species that exists trapped at the bottom of a pit. As time passes, they conceive of a means of escaping the pit, but it comes at a high, paradoxical price.
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"i can't quite figure it out either, now let's make it the next generation's problem"
Global warming, Shortage of oil, Shortage of plantable Soil, Shortage of land, Overpopulation, World hunger.
In a nutshell
Gaming god
@@someaipretendingtobehuman3157 Global warming lol ok... shortage of oil except oil futures literally went NEGATIVE recently because we had so much oil we couldn't even use or store it all. World hunger except population has been booming exponentially for decades... The only thing you got right was overpopulation, which is the only legitimate environmental concern in existence, from which all other concerns are borne.
@@someaipretendingtobehuman3157 some people do not think for others
We didn’t choose to exist yet we can’t choose to unexist ourselves
A married man once asked me if it was selfish to stay single and childless, which I was. I replied by asking him if it was selfish to have children. He was surprised and asked how so. I said to him, "I WANT to have children" is about what you want. I wasn't trying to be rude, or clever, just wanted to throw a different perspective on what most people accept as normal behaviour....
Completely understandable imo
Funny how uncomfortable people get when they are confronted with non conforming point of view.
@@tysonion01 Exactly
@Toby Thong What world are you living in? This world is tough! It's full of psychopaths.. You would need to be either a psychopath or lacking compassion to bring children into this current world.
@@PatrickRyan147
Do you not believe that the greatness and beauty of this world out ways the horridness of it, then? If not, don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to even remain alive yet criticise people who have children by calling them either "psychopaths" or "lacking compassion"? This is not meant to be snarky or a 'gotcha!' moment; I genuinely just want to understand your viewpoint.
When Freddie Mercury said "I don't want to die, I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all" I felt that shit to the core.
@Αλήθεια 34 incoherent 🤦♂️
There may or may not be an objective meaning in life, but there’s a subjective meaning and that is what I personally love. I love my family, I love my friends, I love people, I love nature, I love music, which means I love this world. Doesn’t mean there isn’t despair and cruelty but it’s still beautiful cruel world. And I rather experience the beauty and love even with the cruelty, than to never see and feel the beauty at all. But the individual has to accept the love and beauty into their hearts.
@@myles9075 yin and yang
@@oyveyshalom exactly, they compliment each other, and one can not exist without the other, that is the good and bad in this world
We get it you are depressed bro
“Never asked to be born, now I gotta do all this shit to survive” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Why does it have to be so dang expensive to live
@@enolp artificial scarcity for most people, while billionaires become richer and richer. Modern neoliberal economy works like that
@@KateeAngel
socialism is worst.
@@stenionet Yugoslavia was doing fine until they tried to be more capitalist, and Cuba is doing way better now than when they were capitalist. Oh, and don't even get me started on Vietnam and how well some of their anti-capitalism laws have worked...
@@enolp capitalism and greed
"The mystery of human existence lies in not just staying alive, but in finding something to live for."
- Fyodor Dostoevsky
I stay alive to experience the beauty of this planet
@@gregbors8364 So technically one who experienced all the beauty in life and the world can choose to depart from this world, right?
@@NipeHero I can’t imagine ever experiencing all of the beauty which is available in life.
@@gregbors8364 but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so it’s a kind of illusion, so you live because you like the illusion of beauty. Wise choice.
@@andreyb4142 Why is that wise?
When Eren Yaeger said “There’s no better salvation than never having to be born into this world” I felt that
@@Shwab1627 yeah but the quote still holds some truth specially if you apply it to eldians
@@Shwab1627 lmao yeah okay, where could the eldians have gotten therapy?
@@Shwab1627 I'm not depressed or nun it's just sometimes when I look at the world it be so many problems I don't feel like participating.
@@Shwab1627 tried making friends. Everyone pulled away and left me. Family? Well my mom is sick with cancer and I have a brother thats autistic and guess who has to take care of them? I'm in a shit ton of debt not making anywhere near the amount to be able to pay it off and your telling people that life is basically worth living? Having never been born would have been the best thing honestly cause then I wouldn't have to suffer none of us would
Same. Even though he was just lying to trick Zeke. The quote still holds
It makes more sense to stack all of the old turtles and let the young ones escape. Once all the young ones are gone the old ones can die in the pit. Their sacrifice in turn would end the endless cycle of suffering.
But who will take care of the old people? I mean turtles.
@@abcdabcdoops they won’t have anyone to take care of them, they will be left to die. Their death would end the cycle.
In our current society the elderly have stacked the pit so everyone will die. And hence end all suffering for humankind.
@@ouimetco All suffering is created by someone making a choice to allow suffering in order to enrich themselves.
@@greevar Even cancer?
The biggest fear in my life is, that one day my child feel regret to be born into this cruel world and he just cry alone in his room wanting to end his life.
Just like I did
that's actually pretty good ngl for someone like you to have.
Some people (like me) just regret having existed and are not alive anymore, their bodies are probably functioning and everything; but they are mentally dead, they no longer want to live. If death comes to them, naturally as a species they will feel fear, but once they think clearly they will realize there is an opportunity to end all this suffering... All I wrote is what guides me now. Calling me a "living being" is not fully acceptable.
@@abot5533 living being is fully acceptable cuz you still alive and as long as you have your sense of being existence than you are pretty much alive, it's just that you don't have a healthy life.
@@rintluangirenthlei no, I consider myself as death
@@abot5533 if you have the consciousness to make that decision, you ain't dead lmao. Cuz dead people don't have the consciousness to make that kind of decision.
man this IS THE PERFECT analogy that explains how I feel about my parents working hard their entire lives just so they could be financialy stable at the end of it " leaving the pit " and it's why I don't wanna reproduce and bring kids to this existence just for them to go through this cycle
EXACTLY. Very well said. It's a constant, vicious cycle. If I didn't have my dogs, I would be miserable. Don't have kids....get a dog from your local animal shelter and you will find much reward and fulfillment. 🐶💖
I wish I got to decide what I want with my life, what I want to believe but everything was preplanned by parents (ok it's for my good but ..... Not reaching their expectations makes me feel like trash n guilty) help me :((
@@petek9226 dude where are you from (asking caude i am in a similiar position). pls do not fall into that trap. you wont have enjoyment neither will your future wife/husband or your kidds. you do not want to be in that relationship. i am a disgrace aswell but i dont care.beeing a 25 year old male and single is a disgrace. and the thought of neglecting the rules of nature and not to reproduce is discracefull. but i choose who i want to be and will be. i wish you much luck in your future and may everything turn the best for you.
Starting a family should only be for those who are mentally and financially capable. Children would live adequately, parents would live adequately.
@@OXhuls I don't even have the courage to rebel seeing how much effort was put to raise me.
Nothing much can be changed now, but I hope I get to live my life the way I want.
Rn I'm in depression with low motivation
Gotta wait out tho.
Thanks for your advice.
I wish you the best too. :))
Funny thing, I say that all the time whenever someone mentions being depressed or I’m depressed.
“None of us, not a single person who ever lived ever chose to be here. That choice was made for us, we didn’t volunteer and say “hey I’d like to exist.”
It’s a little bit of comfort in knowing that we all share being existentially screwed.
But I also hate it when people give me a hard time FOR existing.
suffering is a tool you haven't yet learned how to use. so you carry it as a burden and not as a gift.
Only an idiot would see existence as being "existentially screwed".
@@lejspul7655 well put, where did you learn this? I'm curious.
@@hugon6717 I guess you could say i was wrestling with Hindu and Buddhist teachings that day. And existential crises like hoshimaru57 was having, being quite an adolescent trope, start to sound silly once you uncover real wisdom found in those teachings.
Don't be sure about it
You can't even remember the moment you were born
The memories we have are only from this world
"Then you work the 8 hour job with almost a feeling of goodness, like you’re doing something, and you get married, like marriage is a victory and you have children like having children is a victory, but most things people do are a total grind, marriage, birth, children, it’s something they have to do because they have nothing else to do. There is no glory in it, no esteem, no fire, their lives are flat and the earth is full of them.”
― Charles Bukowski
Who is this person Charles bukowski?
I want to know more about his writings
Please help
@@DisjointedLivio if that's the point let me search
Imagine how much better life would be, just, in general, if we worked 4 hours instead of 8 hours
Better to live gracefully than to live pathetically
facts!
I didn’t ask to be born and now I have to live until I die
I think about this concept literally every single day of my life, the fact that I did not ask to be born and that I was born to two people who were definitely not meant to be parents. And now, because of their recklessness and poor decision making I must continue to live my meaningless life. This doesn’t sit well with me. Now, I can either suffer through life until I’m elderly and pass away or off myself which I also don’t feel like doing. I just feel very tired and that everything I am doing is pointless and unimportant and I wish I had just never been born because my birth was equally as pointless....... This ife is, meaningless.
Then make it worth living.
You nihilists are so boring.
@@alexs6950 ok.
You should go give your life to an extremist cause you believe in NOW 🌩🌩🌩🌩
Yawn, go do something to give your life value. Go volunteer , plant trees. Get off of TH-cam comments , waste of space.
“Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Come watch TV.” - Morty
Also everyone is gonna die.
That’s what I was thinking
r/mortys14andthinksthatsdeep
Why me :(
lmfao no comp today bois
I think the true horror behind this story is that in all likelihood, the outside world is just as awful as the pit.
Maybe even worse...
exactly my thoughts.
No predators in the pit…
Well, I have thought much on this. Unless imprisonment, we freely chose to come here? Then there would of had to have been reasons for that...such as IT WAS a better choice for us than to remain in the OverWorld. I would imagine that both the matrix AND the OverWorld coming from SOURCE which is NEUTRAL (balanced) that each creation (matrix 1 = OverWorld & Matrix 2 = this realm) is birthed from the same mindset. Also remember than having a matrix within a matrix is like watching a perfectly aligned mirror in another mirror...template for unlimited stories!
The outside world is just an even bigger pit.
" Sleep was not sleep anymore,
It's an escape from this continues sadness of Life...
True. I wish sometimes I don't wake up
@@LadyOfTheEdits sometimes? I always wish
@@LadyOfTheEdits head up man you have a purpose you just have to keep looking
I remember when I was depressed I slept a lot because that was the only time I wasn't depressed, it was nice to have a break.
Nowadays I look forward to having a good nights rest, even if I have sleep paralysis occasionally. I tend to think so much when I am awake that it's nice to have a break from my own thoughts. I also look forward to any dreams I might have.
I guess what I am trying to say is, I no longer use it as an escape, thank you God.
@@LadyOfTheEdits me too bjt dreams are weirder in my realm so sometimes its good to take a break from it
This is a great story because it parallels in several ways to our own lives. For example, we are told from a young age that you need to go to school, get good grades, go to college, get a good job, make money, etc., but we never stop to think about "why?". In the story, the turtles continue on their routine, with the eldest teaching the youngest how to think and what to do, but only one questioned the system. Overall, I really like the message of the story, as it's great food for thought.
in my case, the people around me do question why, they just dont have enough privilige to do anything about and are stuck continuing this bullshit cycle
For me the answer is simple, I need money so I could live a comfortable life and have enough money to spend on video games and other stuff related to anime/manga/light novels etc, but to get more money, I need to get a good job, to get a good job, I "need" to go to college, to get to college, I need good grades and so on.
It's... it's a parable, so...
Speak.For.Yourself.
yeah its not that deep captain obvious
He chose turtles over human to minimize the existential crisis effect
edit : Oh guys thank you for the massive lik- Oh wait It doesn't matter since we're actually the turtles...
*cries in existantial crisis*
I'm definitely guilty of doing that.
It's from the book Turtles All the Way Down by John Green.
It didn’t help
Schopenhauer used this example in world as will and representation
well it didn’t work
Imagine outside of the pit is even a bigger more of shit hole of a pit waiting.
yep, place called hell.
Funny
the pit is always deeper on the other side
sadge
"The soul is either mortal or immortal; if it's mortal, the pain has an end; if it's immortal, it awaits a better fate. Another possibility is hardly ever considered. *What if it would get worse?* " (Michel de Montaigne)
Optimism bias is (understandably) ingrained in every aspect of our thinking. The thought systems that are thriving are the ones selling the best utopias; neither most religions nor most political, economical or ideological systems in general even entertain the thought that it could get worse after the current state of things. It only gets better. But survival instinct / hope is a bad judge when it comes to truth. What even is the best outcome for the turtles in the allegory? That some escape the pit and populate the beyond with more turtles prone to suffering?
@@BN-ff3nw The turtles who escape the pit might discover easy access to plentiful food and water and a favourable climate or they might be suffering worse than they were in the pit - but it is always instinctive to try to improve your life and the lives of your children - whether you are successful or not is another thing entirely. Man has made many technological advances in the relatively short time we have been on this earth resulting in all kinds of fantastic labour saving devices and wonderful gadgets and means of transport etc for first world humans to enjoy - but ultimately theses technological advances have so far come at the cost of destroying the environment for future generations so maybe we are not as clever as we like to think we are. Maybe the children of today will learn to curse their forefathers for leaving such a mess behind.
The solution is easy, keep killing off the older turtles and pile up the bodies, then when enough turtle corpses have been piled up all the surviving turtles would be free. The sins of the father must be paid by the father - Zeus
Pretty smart, not gonna lie
But doesn't tht mean the corpses would start to give foul smells disease and other problems ?
they would decay also
@Grover but it the younger generation who would have to deal with all of it .
@@renukayaduvanshi2735 freedom is better and that's not even that bad
"They were born to solve their parents's problems"... This, this.. THIS is the harsh truth...
This has been the case since humans first existed. Just fumbling around in the dark generation after generation. No god, no meaning, no understanding of where we come from or where we go when we die. Just guessing and wars and egos and slavery and neglect and drug use to cope with the nightmare that is existence. Humans were given a crap deal, but we could have made better choices by now. It's a shame we haven't learned from our mistakes by now
Nope, their parents should've solve their lineage responsibility, a sacrifice is required by everyone. No one wins, no one loses, and everybody pays the price.
"Those turtles are so cute! They have their own little pond"
"The turtle suffered because of their condition"
;-;
The turtles suffered because their mind, the turtles suffered because their egos.
Notice, an actual turtle would be happy in such conditions.
When I asked the turtle how it was so happy, it just stared at me and then walked off.
@@thegrandnil764 So you're able to tell it's happy because it walked off?
@@ericremy2746 Birds can only feel one emotion, and it is hubris.
Turtles can only feel one emotion, and it is contempt.
It's just how the world works.
@@Frikiman_H I think what you meant was "content" as "contempt" is somewhat synonymous to "hatred." I believe that the original comment meant that turtles are happy because they do not have human wants. Lastly, you are not a bird, how could you ever know that they can only feel hubris?
"To live is to suffer. To survive is to find meaning in the suffering." - somebody
Was a walrus
DMX
-Nietzsche*
Cogito ergo sum. (I think therefore I am/to be is to think) -Rene Descartes
To think is to be full of sorrow. - John Keats
-some idot philosophers
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."
-Douglas Adams
God didn't ask for opinions.
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@@tysonion01 and nobody asked God for anything
@@tizib8784 what's with all the prayers then?
@@tysonion01 well, this doesn't change the fact. Let's assume god really is the creator of everything, still nobody asked him to create anything at all because there was no one in the first place. Nobody would've been bothered to continue not existing therefore no one asked God for anything.
This explained exactly how the human race works. We are born without a choice, have to endure everything that is thrown at us, some of us are lucky enough to find the path early on, while the rest wait, bring more people into the world (be it with or without intention) and leave them to suffer like we did.
I too, started thinking this way around the onset of the pandemic and absolutely do not see the point in bringing more humans on the planet anymore. We only make matters worse (on an overall basis).
To battle with this existential crisis, the cowards invented God & religions. But unreligious people like me have to live until they get the courage to end their lives. Living only to die!
Until we can make a better existence for ourselves in this stupid flawed meaningless reality, we should stop having kids for a few years, shrink the population down a little and figure this shit out so children can have real lives not this 24 hour bullshit we call a life. But that's asking too much from a race that would choose complacency over progression.
Do, you think antinatalism is the way to solve all suffering? I think even if we follow antinatalism still suffering will exist and that's why if you think non-existeance is greatest salvation then i think you should make the world into nothingness so no one feel suffering in present and future 💀
We need to destroy the universe and make sure it never starts again.
Life is very and fundamentally unfair. It is clear that no one did anything good or bad before being created, yet there is still an unjustified unfairness and so many things are predetermined.
Everyone is born in different circumstances, they receive a certain uterine environment during the time of which they’re in the womb, with certain stimuli during pregnancy, everyone receive certain parents and nuclear family, certain extended family, who are born into a certain environment, with certain personality tendencies, with a certain appearance, in a certain society, in a certain period of time, all of these components of their lives are arbitrary and it is always very, very unfair. They are either punished, or rewarded, and for doing what? NOTHING!
And even the luckiest among them all who still find the path can still suffer endlessly like those who were born into abject conditions since there is unlimited potential to suffer endlessly in this life.. it’s so pointless and every single birth just creates a new problem… there was never any point into bringing new humans onto this planet. The only thing that ever supported the continuation of our species is a blind will to strive for ultimately nothing, but to reproduce.
Having kids at this point is just irrational especially since this drive to reproduce and bear a child is something primitive from evolution.
It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.
David Benatar
its similar with how poor famileis will emphasize that they love their kids more than supposed rich families. but they are okay with having kids that have to grow up in bad neighborhoods, go to underfunded schools and work shitty jobs just to make ends meet, with little chance of success in their life.
Gaming god
Oh God I hate human breeders, my parents included.
@@werwar27 that's what success means to some people. Good school, good pay, good family. But is that a happy life? It all depends on the individual and ultimately it's you who makes the choice.
@@jacobjacob4139 then stop living
I feel as if its similar to the mental traumas some parents passdown to their child. Knowingly unknowing the made their kids suffer through the same path like these turtles to compensate their own suffering.
ANTI-NATALISM!!
Yep, no wonder it's only getting severe day by day.
Well I never thought about it before your post but maybe my brother raped me after our dad sending him to juvenile hall just because he wanted me to feel like he felt because he was raped in there . Thanks because without knowing it you made me see something new . I did not think there was any more new . Thank You .
@@montacap I'm sorry that happened to you
@@jessicacole8404 Me to I now feel bad for the next ones to come.
This is a great analogy to highlight the pessimist's position. Life is, as we currently know it, an endless cycle that we keep bringing our kin into over and over again. Stacking the burden of pain on their shoulders and moving on. Consciousness/self awareness is the greatest horror of all. We have evolved to be able to understand we are suffering. Yet, we do nothing about it and prefer to live in the delusion that everything is for a reason, and that it will all be ok. It won't.
Says who 🤨. I cant afford to think like that like u. I Have people that I love & that Love me depending on me. Ur blessed that U Can tell yourself nothing matters. Because for me everything matters
Gaming god
@@wiredgamez9929 Ikr. The comment section is full of psudo intelectual quotes and pessimistic doomer rhetortic. Most of the comments make it look like they are not against ''life'' or ''existance'' itself but pain, suffering,etc. That is a part of life that we dont like but there is so much more to it. Of course it isn't pleasant all the time but it's worth experiencing(at least for most people, you could argue some extreme situations but it's just not the case for most people who have the time to watch this video).
And if they deem life(in its entirety) not worth experiencing I'd like to hear why they still cling to it.
I've seen so many people who keep repeating ''life is meaningless etc'' and all of them are just unhappy with themselves and their lives. People need a mission. Watching netflix, clubing or watching videos with puddle deep metaphor wont fix their lives.
@@lewicy165 I agree My friend. its Become a trend to see Who can bitch about thier Suffering more A Look At me type thing & As You said if they really feel life is a Bad as they say why cling to it. It's Because in truth it feels Good. If feels good to Say the World is The problem & not me. And as You said were not making light of life's Suffering. some people are Truly F*cked and its not fair. BUT they Look at that as Conformation That the world is Useless and I Look at it As Now I have a Duty. The duty to keep going for the souls that could not be because in truth I'm them. When a HUMAN kills Anothern human being that reflects on My soul because that could've been me or u. So instead of Condemning being to hell I Accept it Instead of taking the easy way out & Saying nothing matters for some false sense of peace I say everything matters From the pain I feel for the Ones we lost to the happiness I feel for the wins we gain. I'LL deal with it all with my Head Held High and Well come out the another end a Better Human. GOD Speed ⚡
Contrarily i think a lack of suffering is why these issues come about. Man was made to solve problems. To combat the world and watch his labor bare fruit.
Now with nothing to rail against. Nothing to fight. Nothing to suffer for and enough bread and cake to hardly do more than go forth with the continuation of the species all we can think is that none of its worth it.
We have it too easy. Responsibility. Patience. Gratitude. Virtues are lost. This generation is hedonistic, frightened and lazy. Unprepared. Unmotivated.
And in our collective procrastination we reason negative sum philosophies. That life is not worth living and that the next generation should not live it.
At some point everything ends, even if you were born gifted. Eventually you reach a point where your quality of life will continue to go down. Then it'll feel like being stuck in purgatory, waiting until you die. Really the lucky ones are those who die young and without knowing it
That's deep, very deep. But true
This is what it's like to be raised with your parent's generation ideologies, while discovering and forging our own.
Yep precisely
Society as a whole feels fundamentally flawed. We don't grow up being happy, we grow up seeking happiness. That happiness gets farther and farther away trying to find things we don't need and things that are pointless. We should find happiness what we have but the way society is structured we will never find it. Life is not a complicated existence we as a complicated species think it is, but more often than thought ia that many answers are often simple. So find your own simple happiness and enjoy it where ever you find it because society and therfore life is much too complicated as we only try to exist and live our own lives.
I was born a Slave of Society.
that's a you problem lol I'm very glad I'm living and have a happy life, don't just go saying EVERYONE lives unhappy just because you do
@@dandy5175 most people, its still a big problem
@@dandy5175 yeah exactly lol. We are having a good time. The fuck these guys are talking about. I would say it's somewhere in the middle. Happiness dominates more than sadness
Happiness its rooted in our biology as a survival mechanism to promote good behaviour, you weren´t designed to be happy. you were designed to search for happiness from the start. don´t blame society, blame life itself.
and i never chose to suffer everyday from society's standards & expectations
Just get advices from society but never depend or choose your decision due to pressure of society and relatives
I can feel this on another level.
Ur comment, I commented
can relate
🙏🏾
That´s why I love Buddhism. Every Buddhist´s ultimate goal is to escape the cycle of re-birth. Existence is the biggest punishment possible.
Yes, but I don't even believe in rebirth.
@@ananyaatri2898 and yeah we're diffrent,
i believe in reincarnation is just because i found that there is no effect if there is no cause, i wouldnt have born this way today if i dont do things yesterday, i wouldnt have a mango tree if i dont plant the seed back then.
Well this is just my thoughts on my religion ✌️
Diffrent is cool 👍
The true essence of Buddhism is not that existence is punishment, but that holding onto illusions will lead to desire which will lead to suffering. One doesn't overcome existence, one overcomes suffering. No Buddhist tenant is based on an actual existence of reincarnation, but that the concept of self is itself a ghost that we keep trying to make real, or incarnate. If one lets go of this concept of self, they see that life is indeed an enigma; not a punishment, not a gift, but a mystery. We keep trying to place a fixed description and a set aim for the self, not realizing that is a bad way to approach a mystery. Buddhism aims to reset the psyche to that of a child. A child has so many disadvantages and still must pull itself from the muck to becoming a functioning human being. A child is born with limited mobility and communication skills in a society built around communication and speed. Children are born to parents who at best will give their all to protect them and stand a good statistical chance of still failing, and at worst will abandon them to forces of the world. Yet still, even in cases of neglect, abuse and exposure to the harshest of lives environments, we still observe people who as the turtle put it, seem delusional and seem to fully appreciate the reward system of their society. However, this is a natural process of mathematics. A system could not arise from a context within which no one stood to perceive some advantage. In other words, value is a way to get from point A to B, but not a system for guaranteeing we will enjoy what we find at point B. In this way the enigmatic nature of life is less obstructive. If we value something, it doesn't mean we like it, love it, or it fulfills us in some way. Instead, to value something means we are going to spend resources on investigating a specific idea. Values when used without the illusions which are associated with ego attachment are completely different from the way we use it now. Without ego attachment, we can still value objects, people, ideas and all without becoming too attached or being too aloof. It doesn't happen overnight, but it is about valuing things in an honest way. Being honest with what you can do, and then by being honest about what you are doing. Taking time to put these things into perspective won't solve every problem, but will over time, encourage a way of thinking where value is defined through honesty with self, rather than using what we value redefining
Reducing human life to some sort of science experiment is not the aim of Buddhism, but there is a way in which we are encouraged to cultivate a more scientific approach to looking at the inner world. This is so that the outer world can be experienced in a more artistic way. If we reduce our outer world to equations and symbols we are doomed. As the emotional aspect of our world would be in control of how we respond to these preconceived "objective perspectives on nature". While many things in the world can be quantified, the beauty of the world is not found in counting the rain drops at they fall, but in simply listening to the music of the taps of water droplets. The scientific in this view point, enhances the artistic. To take a scientific approach to the mind means studying the mind, and in a systematic way. Work with a therapist, a guru, a psychiatrist, a mentor; anyone to help the mind overcome the numerous blocks it will inevitably have. The mind cannot be too different from the environment which it is simulating. Hence, our various psychological flaws are to be expected as hills and valleys which define our landscape. The world is not smooth, uniform, homogenous. The world is fraught with strange oddities, chaos and ridiculous extremes. So too the mind is a delicate package of all these things.
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@@laughinggooner4271 Thanks for the insight! I can only agree. But... I didn´t say a word about the "essence" of Buddhism, let alone that this "essence" is the punishment of existence. It´s a quick youtube comment, not an article on Buddhistic philosophy. You can easily decostruct every word of my comment, if we go into the depths of Buddhism, starting with the term "existence" itself and moving on to "birth", "escape" etc.
@@laughinggooner4271 nice. I agree 👍
If we’re in a privileged position to provide for someone else, why not adopt instead of bringing more new kids to the world? I just think that the reason why humans can’t solve big problems like poverty, illnesses, or wars is because they’re too busy caring about themselves and their own kids. If you care about the big problems and want to bring change, you have to break the cycle, sacrifice your selfishness and care about the others. But, would it be worth it? Too much selflessness isn’t good either.
Fuck adoption. If they're not mine I don't care about them.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 I agree in a way that if you adopt, you tolerate other people to reproduce rather than producing your own.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 this behaviour is what the op comment was talking about
@@ENGCS_YukthaTD Other people are not my problem, and caring just as much about some random stupid kid as your own genetic offspring is supremely idiotic.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 This nigga is spitting the most fax in this comment session
“He who has a why to live, can bear almost any how.”
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"I'm crazy, allow me to amaze thee, they say I'm ugly but it just don't phase me. I'm still gettin in the girls pants & I even got my own dance" - Humpty (pronounced with an Umpty)
@@paullayfield hey! Ain’t you the guy that once got busy in a Burger King Bathroom?
Gaming god
@@gracefitzgerald2227 I haven't but Humpty has, he's skinny but it doesn't stop him from gettin busy, he's a freak & he likes the girls with the boom
“I should be so lucky” - Kylie Minogue
I don't know why but everytime i get depressed or anxious i just watch these videos, i know it's ironic cuz it says things that'll normally make people depressed but hearing someone actually admit the truth to me is somehow just.. comforting.
exactlyyy, I'm not depressed but videos like this are really comforting
It’s because you realize you’re not alone. Everyone is fucked. We are all fucked together. So it makes it a bit easier
@@FalsePips crab mentality babyyyyy
Knowing someone else knows what you're going through is very comforting
It’s the same shit as sad people liking to listen to sad music- it’s not that weird
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who couldn't hear the music." - Friedrich Nietzsche.
er........Nietzsche was insane ....?
Syphilis I think .? But if you want to base your Life on the ravings of a lunatic that's up to you ...
Pointless quote
The unborn turtles never needed to get out of the pit because they were not in it in the first place.
Their parents forced them into the pit by imposing life on them and force them to solve this dilemma which they never needed in the first place.
Their parents were selfish assholes, not unlike human parents.
@@Parapon3ra ''quite exactly like human parents'' said the human slightly biased by the fact that he was born from selfish assholes
@@matheussanthiago9685 We are all born from selfish assholes, more or less by definition. Even kind parents casually condemn their children to a life of pointless suffering.
@@Parapon3ra not all life is suffering. You have moments of suffering and moments of serenity. It's not all negative in life.
@@danielxmiller but what's the point, i'd rather not be born in the first place, perhaps im that one turtle burning it's own mind
" To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering " - Friedrich Nietzsche or I suppose also " He who has a why to live can bear almost any how " - Friedrich Nietzsche
gaming god
Also explored as Logotherapy in Victor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning”, but not from a Nihilistic perspective.
@@michaelfoxbrass Now that's a great book.
Aye yo grandpa turtle who’s leaving...
Would you mind just throwing down some rocks to build a more permanent ramp once your up?
Solved it
not their prob anymore
Humans don´t work like that, when someone its finally out, they rarely go back, memories are enough to reminds of to not go back. that is reality. Miserable people share their bed, but once you are out, you will be as far away as you can from misery, because at the end, you just used people to feel better on that pit.
Its like asking why USA and europe who have climbed out of poverty centuries ago don't help poor african countries.
@@greetingstoyou.1881 Except they do, but they're giving out the fish rather than teaching them how to fish. There's a level of corruption that's hard to combat without getting too involved, which by certain agreements, is not feasible.
Human extinction doesn’t sound so bad
Right! I wish I had Thanos’ glove with one snap to erase ALL the degenerates who commit crime, leech off the taxpayers teet, those who are corrupt with power, etc. and let those who work hard and are honest to continue living to push humanity forward.
We do need to drastically erase like 2/3 of our population and I’m ready to be one of those statistics if I don’t make up the rankings of being worthy to live.
Agreed.
I pray for the meteor daily.
@@gmkar7766yeah I pray for my death every day but it never happens.
I love the discussions we’re having here, because of this story.
Absolutely
To think, we are all here because of someone else's selfish decision to force us to exist here. I have opted not to force anybody to exist here. I am not selfish enough to force someone to exist here. My progeny will remain nonexistent, no matter how badly I want a child of my own. I must think beyond my selfishness. I wish my parents would have done the same.
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i am happy to exist
despite the misery .
@@chongwillson972 I yearn to return to the great cosmic void of nothingness more every night. Unfortunately, despite fleeting moments of happiness, I wish I never existed.
@@indridcold8433 eh, i aint homesick of the cosmic void of nothingness.
thank god i left there....
"The longer you live... The more you realize that reality is just made of pain, suffering and emptiness..."
that's when you centred yourself and think that life will throw you happiness onto your face.
I can deal with most everything but when the body starts breaking down that's a bitch
@Ann Nonymous there's actually freedom. You have freedom at present to choose to do things.
@Ann Nonymous bruh that shit is made up by your own that which your brain pick up from something (like movies). The present is what most important because at that time you have the power to make choices (i.e freedom) and and that choices is what makes the future. Reality is strange, yes it is strange but to those who knows or accept that they have authority to control they own life by the choices they make, its less strange to them than those who couldn't accept those things. You are the kind of people who don't want to accept the consequences of the choices you made and always looking for someone/something to blame rather than blaming yourself for making those choices.
@Ann Nonymous the balme i am talking about is not literally bruh what i am trying to say you are trying to reason it out as if you were trying not to be guilty of the choice you made.
Weird timing for this to come out. I just had an emotional and mental breakdown
It's getting worse
Omg i had one yesterday. Lol
Hugs
I have it every time
@@1999_reborn Thank you, thank you. Hugs to you too :D
A wise person once said “being born into this world is a curse not a blessing”
And a thoughtful person say "Being born is both a curse and a gift"
Yup
We're all that one particular turtle, questioning the suffering, together.
You got it
I think turtles r cool, whos with me?
then who is the majority?
@@pawa7714 "we" referring to those of us that are viewing Pursuit of Wonder's content... .-.
@@FriedFreya why would that imply that we are all on the same page?
Schopenhauer's expression is more concise: "After copulation, man hears the Devil's laughter."
Can u explain this quote?
@@dumplinglover8042 Arthur Schopenhauer was a philospher who believed that life itself was ultimately nothing more than pointless suffering and therefore advocated that the best course of action for human beings was not to reproduce themselves. Therfore in this context the quote "Directly after copulation the devil's laughter is heard" would mean that directly after a person's conception, (which follows soon after the male orgasm) the suffering begins for another human being in the form of a fertilised egg because, (according to Schopenhaur) life equates with pointless suffering. Therefore "The Devil", (who supposedly delights in the suffering of man) laughs because as one man reaches a futile and fleeting ecstasy of pleasure, (male orgasm) has also inadvertantly created another life of suffering in the form of another human being, (which causes "The Devil" to laugh because man's suffering is his pleasure). I assume Schopenhaur meant "The Devil" in his quote to be taken figuratively and not literally as I believe he was himself an atheist - therefore would not literally believe in the actual existence of "The Devil".
I guess ultimately only the individual can decide whether their individual suffering was worth their existence or whether given a choice they would have preferred not to have been born but for obvious reasons it is an entirely academic discussion but one that might inform the individual as to the wisdom of having their own children or whether to decide not to have any children.
I guess that this is the ulitimate paradox - in so much only the individual concerned can decide whether on balance they feel their life was worth the suffering but they themselves cannot chose not to be born however an individual might decide not to have children themselves based on their own subjective view of their life alone not on any informed knowledge of the life / lives of their potential offspring - which for obvious reasons is largely unknowable to the individual.
In this context this from the Bible is also relevant from Luke chapter 23 verses 26 to 31
The Crucifixion of Jesus
26 As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then
“‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
and to the hills, “Cover us!”’[b]
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
Here Jesus appears to be suggesting that suffering of man will increase in the future to such an extent that then women will regard the childless enviously as not having children means you never have to endure the agonies of watching your children suffer and be powerless to stop it. Many parents have endured this agony and are enduring this agony every day as a consequence of illness, war and poverty.
Therfore in conclusion whether or not you believe your life to be not worth the suffering or not and whether you decide it is better not to have children of your own or not the fact is we are here now whether we like it or not and therefore the best we can do is to try the make the most of our life, (during the relatively short time we are in existence here on earth) appreciate what we can and to treat both ourselves and others with the utmost compassion as whether you believe life to be ultimately pointless or not we are ALL, (by definition) both here living our individual lives right now and many of us are suffering. So let's try and alleviate suffering on all fronts and then maybe this will provide us with a reason to endure until such time as we inevitably die.
Maybe future generations will find ultimate freedom and happiness, (like the turtles in the video who escape the pit). Or maybe the freedom and illusion they crave is just an allusion and in fact the turtles outside the pit are still suffering but just in different unforseen ways. Who can know? One thing is for sure - in probably less than 30 years I will be dead, (I'm 55 years old now and my Dad died when he was 84) so all I am concerned with is today - be kind, do your best to live your life - what more can anyone do. Ahhh turtles schmurtles what do I care!? (PS I'm not Jewish and I don't have any kids)
Great comment Roy
@@tonbridgeroy Damn bruh, what an essay
Kudos to you Roy! 100x
We don't even know what awaits when/if we get out of the pit, it's just another unknown whose image we build based on stories and hope...
but we are going to get out of this pit eventually then why wait and suffer.
an even larger pit
Pits all the way out
@@sonalsareen4492 Because the fear of the next pit is worse than this one..
@@Azzy5k the thing is jumping into another dark abyss is the only way out.
Bringing a child into this world just doesn't make sense to me
I'm not having children and I'll depart when I've had all my fun. After that, there's nothing for me to do here anymore... it wasn't my choice to be born, but it gives me comfort that I'll go on my own terms. For anyone reading this, don't feel sad or sorry for me, I'm genuinely happy to have a choice.
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The only reason I don't end it all right now is because my sister would go insane.
"don't feel sad or sorry for me"
Don't worry, I don't.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 - I was not asking for your sympathy or anybody else's... I'm just preventing my notifications from exploding with people who would try to convince me not to do it.
@@dayangmarikit6860 Lol I think you want people to tell you not to do it.
"The greatest salvation is having not been born into this world"
or worse
lol maybe for depressed losers
Is this a quote from Attack On Titan Season 4??!
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 Best i can do is you're a 12 yr old kid.
@@cajs100 Yes, you are, considering you're resorting to typing internet cliches with no value.
I feel like parents have children for selfish reasons, never considering that maybe some people would choose not to be born if they could.
Estevão do game absolutely not. Personally I want no part in this whole mess, too much pain, too much suffering, I don't believe the struggle is worthwhile.
Railqun I feel you, I was fortunate to have atheist parents but the narcissism thing... in that regard I was less fortunate.
@Railqun bro same. and this is why I won't be having kids. I'll adopt one or two babies and raise them in a healthy way. I'm gonna break all generational curses.
You don't know if you want to be born or not until you're born and by that time it's too late. Unfortunately, there is no go back button and if there was then I would choose to go back to not existing. I would feel no joy but no pain either and I wouldn't miss joy because I wouldn't exist to know it but this in itself creates a paradox because if you could go back to not existing then because you wouldn't exist you wouldn't know if you wanted to exist or not until you were born so unless you could take your knowledge and experiences with you back to none existences then you couldn't make that decision and even to have that knowledge and those experiences you have to exist to have them but you can't have them unless you exist. Unfortunately we're all trapped in this vicious never ending cycle.
@@sajeelashajshaj5653 That will essentially solve nothing because those children will grow up to have children plus if everyone thought like you then there'd be no children for you to adopt so would this really solve anything? It would solve one problem with no children to come into the world to suffer but would make humans feel empty and dead inside because we wouldn't be able to fill our natural desire to have children to take care of. You could say it's selfish to bring kids into this world as messed up as it is now and days and they would have a miserable life if you did but then you'd have the misery and longing for yourself and that emptiness inside, unfortunately one person's happiness is another person's misery. This world is just screwed up that way.
Sometimes I just sit down and think about my resentment towards my parents for bringing me into this cruel world.
Do you think they realized what they were doing?
They probably just wanted to fuck only(as well as most parents in this world)
Can you prove you did not choose to be born, that you were brought against your will? Is it really their fault?
@@jameshubert6103bro what? He’s a result of his parents sexual decision
@@jameshubert6103bro what? He’s literally the result of his parents sexual decision.
“Come here son, I’ll tell you a uplifting animal story about turtles!”
Son-😳
His son soon grew up to be the next Nietzsche
Suffering
Gaming god
"The more unintelligent a man is, the less mysterious existence seems to him"
How do you know?,you really cant tell
Endlesssoul! Love brother
@@randomthings8376 ? pretty sure the quote he said makes that clear brother.
5:27
Why do we always strive to outsmart the other?
The question is if there's a world beyond the walls.
Did Eren kill all titans?
Yes he did.
NO .. This answer has d most calming effect ..any doubt will further make ur life more miserable
There's always more walls.
@@FanOfMinatozakiSana Did Eren also kill all humans? Yes, he did
Gaming
When people said to me "you should be thankful to your mother, that the brought you to this world" I always answered:" how come, I never chose to be born so I owe my mother nothing"
Everyone were opposed by this statement, but it's only realistic thinking
Very true..
Or the ChristoFacist canard "The wold owes you nothing, go out and earn it!" My response would be is that one's pulse is not some rent payment that you owe the world for occupying the space marked 'conceived'. Obama created health insurance...Samuel Colt made them equal. Definitely swipe left on the Masada app for sure. IDDQD in the Heretic game. Control-L in Audacity on the EKG track...
It’s very inconsiderate of them saying that especially considering the fact that 100% of the time parents don’t have children for altruistic purposes… it’s all selfishness.
Even if they claim to have had children or plan to have children to give them the best lives that they can, that’s still selfish since by creating them you’re exposing them, vulnerable people, to so, so much suffering since this world is such a dangerous place… there’s pain, sadness, anger, guilt, frustration, fear, anxiety, phobias, trauma, thermal discomfort, urinary/ bowel distention (when those organs become full, and it is very unpleasant), depression, disease, disability, sickness, chances to be abused, chances to be assaulted, chances to be tortured, chances to be suicidal and upon attempting suicide landing themselves into a much much worse situation, etc etc etc… and at the end of it, death…
Why would anyone who intends to preform an act of selflessness ever consider exposing someone who never existed to be deprived of anything and who never wanted anything to all of THIS?
@@mrrrrpmrrrrpmrrraaaawwwwpreach💯💯👌
Can you prove you did not make the choice?
"You can put literally anything in quotes, even if it does or doesn't contribute anything to the matter and people will still like it"
-someone probably
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This is exactly why I'll never have my own children. At most maybe I would adopt someone that's already here. I don't feel it's fair or that I have the right to play God and force someone into existence without their permission. I know how much pain, hardship, and struggle I've had to endure due to the family I was born into and my genetics being highly susceptible to mental health issues. Knowing all this I could never pontentinally put someone through the pain I've had to endure. It would be imoral and selfish. I've wish so many times that I would have never been born and honestly... if I had a gun or another good suicide method easily accessible, I probably would have been dead by now. I've never really felt the inate desire some people seem to have to reproduce. I don't really see the point other than it's a way to pass the time and something to focus your life around. Natural selection doesn't really do it's thing with us humans very well anymore with how easy survival has become in most places so I guess I just gotta take responsibility myself to take over and not curse or burden someone with mental health issues. But hey maybe in the future we'll actually have full proof treatments instead of the stone age shit we mostly use now to treat people. Pump um full of shitty drugs and numb their pain so they can be a zombie but hey at least they wont want to hurt themselves anymore! If you ask me you're better off dead at that point
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I feel the same too, I never had the slightest desire to have kids, I think it is selfish and immoral, why should I bring a kid to this miserable world of suffering and pain. I feel bad for the children who are already brought to this awful world.
I have this weird thought that crosses my mind when I see people younger than me. rather than feeling envious of their youth , I feel happier that I have already passed certain challenges and I am closer to dying than they are. I feel so tired already and I look forward to nothing in particular, I am still alive because I do not want to cause anyone pain by not being around. This is the extent of my existence.. I won’t deny that I have good moments here and there but the general feeling is sorrow and disappointment.
I feel the same, instead of taking the time to raise a child and repeat the process, we can take that time to work on ourselves and take care of ourselves instead.
Neal, thank you ... But, that feeling you have is just an illusion... you know that, if your honest to yourself.
@@ninaalfa797 that's a very interesting way of looking at it. Most specifically the part about not being envious of children's youth but thankful you're closer to death than they are. Never really thought of it like that. I think for many being a child is a fairly positive experience since you dont have as much conditioning muddying your experience of life and you don't really have any worries. I remember it being magical compared to the depressive anxious haze I've been stuck in now. Granted some kids definitely have it awful from the start and I feel terrible for them. Its really unfortunate you can't choose your the circumstances you're born into that shape and make you into who you are. Then regardless of those circumstances you're expected to fit the mold society and nature requires of you regardless of if you were given the proper tools to do so.
The choice of whether to place the burden of life on another being that has no say in the matter is enormous, do not make it lightly. And it is, indeed, a choice.
ITS not that deep. & Hey if You ever feel it's To Much U always have the option to Leave 🤗
Yeah burden placing is good, more shrimpies.
@@wiredgamez9929 if you mean leave by dying then you’re just passing pain onto others
@@mitcheltillman2461 its part of life, the other rests and the other grief
This story may seem odd, but maybe someone could benefit from what I have to say. Over the years I've come to escape stressful periods of my life by daydreaming. I've come up with characters, worlds, and scenes to play in my mind on repeat. It felt amazing to have such control and certainty over something, and it may sound silly, but my characters were almost like a second family who lived solely for me.
I daydreamed for years until I realized I had enough of an idea to plot out a book. So that's what I did. Nothing particularly groundbreaking or original, just stories I found entertaining. During times where I've felt worthless and/or hopelsss I've reminded myself
"You can't die, no one else could ever write your stories like you."
My characters wouldn't want me to die, and I wouldn't want to kill them with me. I want to see the day where readers come to love them just as much as I have. It may not help everyone, but finding just one reason to stay alive has gotten me through the darkest parts of my life.
That's wonderful
I do the same thing , interesting
Good to hear it. At least we can still think free more or less. I am an introvert and a fragile person. Sometimes I daydream I'm one of those Warhammer space marines lol cuz they are tough and fearless. Fear is an illusion caused by lack of firepower. If a monster came for you then stick a gun in it's mouth and blow it up. If a monster with 10 brains came for you then you stick 10 guns in it's mouth and blow it up. lol
Sometimes I daydream I am a pretty girl even though I'm male. And I would spend all time with those who accepted me, those who need love.
I know all these are childish and stupid as heck, but they are all simple, straightforward wishes and pleasure that few can enjoy.
By the way I have my own collection of music and soundtracks which make daydream much more immersive. Some ASMR would help too.
@@gabestepstone5762 damn i used to do that all the time as a child, feels good to relate.. but then you sorta lose your creative mind because you have to adapt to the harsh world outside.. not much space for lunatics unless you can make a living out of it
@@strapatrocious6005 True bro. Some can make the most of it, some just die in their souls. Peace is quite the last thing we can expect.
The way to end the endless circle: Let those younglings up.
Such a shame we're selfish by nature
Indeed. If one decides to force the unkown future onto them, one should atleast do it for them
That last turtle could just spread his ideas
What if they just use the dead turtle shells?
@@cartercooks1176 ow down, this is TH-cam. We don't allow critical thinking here.
I'm pretty sure that turtle went by the name Schopenhauer...
So funny! The video recommended to me right before this was Schopenhauer - I've heard his name alluding to pessimism, but never knew anything about him. So yah. These turtles are all in prison
@@grainofsand4176 No shit It's recommended 😒to u. U Prolly watch shit like this all the time. This place a Breeding ground for fake deep People It's actually disturbing 🤢🤮
Gaming god
Hahaha
@@wiredgamez9929 have a miserable day too bro
If you have ever doubted to have children, please don't. My heart aches to watch my children suffer or in pain. I feel guilty, why did I bring someone to suffer this hell
your children are lucky to have such a caring parent. no one is perfect and best you can do is be their friend in life that listens and supports them.
We are all fucked
This comment made me have 100 kids
Don't you rejoice when they are pleased and happy?
@@renanfelipedossantos5913 what is your definition of happy. Do you understand what happiness is?
As a child whose parents are fully dependent financially on me, this video hits me hard. Her financially-laden demands notwithstanding, my mother can't fathom why I refuse to get married and have kids. Despite all the sufferings and consequences she and my father brought upon me and my brother, she is still of the belief that "parents can never be wrong". Selfish and unaware parents are the worst.
I have sympathy for your situation. Hopefully you can find happy times in life.
they pretend i awe my life to them because they gave birth to me. whenever i tell them I'm not having kids the first thing they ask is "who will take care of you when you're older?" is that all the reason you need to give birth to a human life? just to have a caretaker?
what a clever metaphor for what humans have been doing from the start of our existence
actually, it's just the cave of Plato, prolonged in a little bit
@@yehor_ivanov actually there's another video on their channel called the illusion of freedom which is the perfect analogy of the cave theory of Plato
This is a terrible metaphor for humanity
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 What's a good one though? I'm curious
Eventually, the ideology of "why try?" will become more prevalent, and all the turtles will give up and go back to suffering, until that suffering becomes too much and the answer to "why try?" becomes clear again...
You dont want to be happy, you just dont want to suffer - Jordan Peterson
Thank you for this comment. I found some odd solace after reading this.
@@shreyashrivastava4840 I have all kinds of self-solacing thoughts... They're always nice to have.
OMFG SHUT UP MY BRAIN HURTS
...along with my soul......
The Turtles in the Fourth Turning......
To everything...turn....turn.....turn....
As soon as I heard “now available” I IMMEDIATELY put it in my cart and ordered it XD please don’t ever stop!! You’re stories have helped me through so much 💕
Go to r/pursuitofwonder
Gaming god
@@generichomosapien4666 why are u spamming gaming god everywhere
@@dumplinglover8042 gaming god
One thing that has me pressed is that no one talks about the insufferable aspect of living. Everyone walks around smiling and fine as if they are experiencing something completely different than what I’m experiencing. Sometimes I make jokes about hoping this is all over soon and people laugh like I’m crazy. So it’s just me huh?
Normies don't think about that
It might break their world apart
Yeah, people universally never stop for a moment and think. Almost like they live life compulsively
No it’s not just you. They just bought into it all. Never think you’re the one that’s crazy. Society will want you to think that way. They’d rather try to prop up the idea that the world is normal and we need fixing when really it’s the other way around
@@DJAntonetti
There are way too many problems that are not even worth mentioning that need fixing, and all of them are a consequence of humanity existing. So, telling us that “we need fixing” is inconsiderate to the amount of problems that are in this world and to the fact that all they’re doing is dragging other vulnerable beings into this DANGEROUS world full of problems…
The only thing that meeds fixing is the issue of humanity existing, and the only way to do so is extinction, obviously.
But normies believe human extinction would be a “tragedy” but they’re missing a very important and basic point when it comes to determining whether or not something is a tragedy.
For something to be tragic, there has to be someone to mourn it but in the case of human extinction, anyone who could potentially mourn it won’t exist. The world is better off without humans anyways.
And honestly it’s incredibly offensive when I’m told that I need fixing, or therapy, because I’m the one who took some time to really think about the world a bit, while all they’re doing is believing and devoting themselves to anything positive that they hear like sheep, even if it’s all lies.
And this is way offtopic here but I think therapy is only a result of the greedy nature of the government, or whoever benefits from their walking wallet/ tax payers/ working machines. The benefactors from this shitshow just want to drain as much money as they can out of people… So in order to do that… create a system that tells people that they’re mentally sick and not normal if their beliefs even slightly deviate from what is considered as normal, and prescribe them heavy medication to blunt their emotions so they are fine with the prospect of working for possibly a lifetime.
And to pressure people into going to therapy… first brainwash others into believing their lives are great (when they’re not… the reasons are obvious), and then order them to spread their peaceful and naive platitudes about how wonderful life is and if you don’t think so then you’re unfit to decide for yourself and mentally ill… crazy. And since everyone thinks life is so great (or just ignores the problems), they throw even more vulnerable souls into this hellhole.
It's not just you - this is called 'isolation'. It's one of the many defense mechanisms humans use to stave off existential dread identified by Peter Wessel Zapffe, the Norwegian pessimist philospher. He defines it as "a fully arbitrary dismissal from consciousness of all disturbing and destructive thought and feeling". He cites "One should not think, it is just confusing" as a common example of this behaviour. It also manifests in the silent agreement most of society seems to have to never mention or talk about the most dire facts of our existence while going about their business, as you mentioned. In his essay 'The Last Messiah' he explores how humans deal with existential dread or 'cosmic panic' as he puts it. He believed the development of consciousness entails a tragedy - humans have spiritual and existential needs that reality cannot satisfy, and so most people learn to save themselves from this fact by 'artificially limiting the contents of their consciousness'. He thought that the sooner humanity recognises our situation for what it is, the better, and we can forever end suffering with his proposed solution - 'Know yourselves, be infertile, and let the earth be silent after you.'
"Man, I love being a turtle!: - Michaelangelo(TMNT 2 The Secret of the Ooze)
This should be pinned
@@yhgne545 the turtles are us lol
I wish I was a ninja turtle now 🐢 ☹️
Very specific
thank you for existing
Well I had no Idea where the exit was
He just said that no one chose
No thank you.
Thank his PARENTS for him existing!
@@ECharlie-kq1ib and their parents for them
Idk why but my first thought when they decided to create offspring for the pit was "they're going to put the babies first so the future generations no longer have to suffer" but alas, I forgot this was a metaphor for humans and underestimated their selfishness.
It's not about selfishness as such. It's a metaphor for life. The old turtles leaving the pit is an analogy for old people dying. The pit is the world itself.
@@renanfelipedossantos5913 Sorry if I didn't say it well, I know what the metaphor is. I was saying it was about humans, and then I mentioned how selfish people are. Didn't mean to confuse anyone.
And this is the reason I’m remaining childfree, who would wanna be apart of this cesspit lmao
This would make a superb children's story book! A bedtime story that'll leave them insomniac
it's kinda yurtle the turtle but existential crisis
The music playing in this video is called The Long Walk by Jamie Norwood in case anybody was wondering
Cool, thanks.
"This particular turtle found these other turtles to be delusional at best it only envied them and wished it could see its life that way" I felt this I really did
That particular turtle is inferior and worthless
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 can u explain
@@marquanreese7895 This video appeals to a very specific kind of person, a wannabe depressed, directionless shell who lacks any and all motivation. People who hate existing and impotent and do nothing. They try nothing, they live nothing, and all because they have no directionality in their lives, they like nothing, they prioritize nothing, they are impotent and do nothing but sit around, and hence are among the most dull and irrelevant of humanity.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 maybe its bc they see the bigget picture and others dont
@@marquanreese7895 No lol, depressed losers are not more intelligent than nondepressed people, they just want to see it that way because it justifies their worthless and impotent rolling around doing nothing. It justifies their lack of desire or drive or motivation. Saying "life is all suffering and we shouldn't exist wah wahh" is the same as going "life is pure happiness and everyone should get to enjoy it". There is suffering in this world but there is also great joy, and these people are choosing to fixate on all that is bad, it is their choice, the suffering is certainly not the more prominent component of reality.
The worst part of it is, if there is a hell, then this never ends and there is nothing that can ever fix it.
Very interesting video. Well, I honestly would rather not exist aswell. Means I hate my life? Hmmm... No. I just find living overwelming and exaustive, so I would rather not have to live it, but since I'm here, gonna try to live a decent enough life to enjoy it a little. I am glad for yhe privileges I have, and I'm glad for them. I am diagnosed with depression, and after 2 years of therapy and meds, I am way better now, I am functional and even want things I didn't before. But if I had the choice of never being born, I would so say a big loud NO. I do not want to exist.
To those who also feel tgat way, well... No one choosed to be here, but here we are. Whatever you choose to do with it, is up to you.
This comment here, I like this comment
I think that right now you might feel like your happiness underwhelms your suffering and you would thus rather not be born.
But I am sure that there is something that you want. Something that you feel would be nice to have like your dream job whatever it might be. I am sure that you have something like that. What if in the future you get what you wanted and it makes you feel, "it was a worth it" and it outweighs all your sufferings. If you were told in the present that this would happen in the future then would you still choose to never be born?
@@krishangkrishna1544 Oh yeah, of course I want something. If I didn't, I would not live at all. I don't know how I will feel in the future, maybe worths it, maybe doesn't. For now, I can't say ny life is bad, it isn't. But even if I'm told I would realize all my dreams, nah, I still would rathet not be born if were given me the choice. Nothing worths it.
@@taynahibanez9952 So, you can't imagine something that will make you feel like "it was all worth it". I understand that.
This is an altered version of the question. If, before being born, your were shown everything that would happen in your life, your birth, death and everything in middle but from a third person's perspective.
You wouldn't understand how you will feel as those thing actually happen nut you will know they will happen. Kinda like if Dumbledore told Harry that he was going to kill Voldemort in 7 years and everything that leads up to it but Harry wouldn't have felt any of it. He would know that Cedric Diggory was going to die but since he didn't get to know him personally, he wouldn't feel anything for it until he actually lives through it.
So, would you choose to born if told everything that will happen from a third person perspective. You wouldn't understand how you feel but know what you feel. Do you think that then you would choose to be born?
@@krishangkrishna1544 Dude, this too deep XD
But well, from a third person perspective you can't know how you wpuld feel over it. Not knowing this, then would not be fair as a way to ask someone if they would be born or not. Maybe I would, but not knowing how I would feel living it, then is not a fair way to make a choice.
It's the parents job to heal their issues so offspring are better.
Words to live by.
It was either that or go extinct
Like in palestine they teach the kids to hate the jews, the whites, the africans, the asians basically everyone thats not a muslim
@@tuckerctwitter allahu akbar 💣🔥
This should be emblazoned across the sky for all to see.
Great way to put into words the reason I decided never to have children, the way I worded it myself seemed a little too raw.
Its not strictly ant- child. its more about passing the responsibilities and mistakes onto others, while the person at fault runs away.
@@drabnail777 No I get it's not anti-child, what I'm trying to say is that this is basicly my reasoning why I don't want children.
@@LanyakEquinox same here man... I'm 39 this year and never will bring other beings into this existence...
How about you go commit gaming god you absolute normie
That's pretty pathetic reasoning. I doubt it's your actual reasoning, it sounds like just the reasoning you choose to adopt because it's the one that makes you seem like a good person, likely out of some obsession to be seen as one.
It’s wonderful seeing all these comments talking positively about antinatalism. Maybe people are straying to realize the ethical implications of forcing children into this world of suffering without their consent.
“Sleep is good, death is better; but of course, the best thing would to have been never born at all.” - Heinrich Heine
Those who came out of the pit realized no it wasn't the end of their suffering till the day they actually die.
And who told you life ends with death? Death is a passage to the main life (eternal life) Eternal life can only be found in Jesus Christ.
@@emmanuelimumolen8660 Hahahaha here is another turtle feeding on hope & delusion.
@@emmanuelimumolen8660 did I ask?
@randomguy8196 It's actually good that death awaits us all, our only escape from this prison of suffering. It's high time we start mourning birth and celebrating death.
@randomguy8196 Right on bro.
The idea of bringing someone into the world fills me with horror. I would curse myself if I were a father. A son of mine! Oh no, no, no! May my entire flesh perish and may I transmit to no one the aggravations and the disgrace of existence.
Gustave Flaubert
cringe
Everything we do in life is to momentarily reduce suffering. We eat so we aren't hungry, we form relationships so we don't feel alone, we work so we aren't homeless, we watch movies/tv to avoid boredom, etc.
But all this is in vain because we are simply delaying the inevitable given that the suffering we try so desperately to avoid always comes back and rears its ugly head.
At this point it's hard to even enjoy what limited pleasure I experience because of how fleeting and pointless it is.
Nicely said! I agree 100%
Sounds like me
@Mitchel Mohesky hi , do you know and if you do how do you stop over thinking ?
"wahhh I have to do things, I hate doing things"
lol you're free to leave then
I need to get out of this comment section this isn’t good for my mental
This is why i dont want to have kids as much as possible. I'm depressed and suicidal, sometimes thinks its better to not exist anymore.
The only selfless thing i can think of, is not creating kids when i don't even enjoy this life myself. Wouldn't want someone to experience pain, especially a kid of mine.
I know it’s hard but give them a life without any of the pain you have . Create something greater out of all that pain
@@JK.3 pain in life is inevitable
Are you safe?
Me: * chilling in Void *
My parents: well, guess it's lucky day.
Lucky for someone, and bad for other
Maybe they had good intentions.... or maybe they were just acting on instinct/desire just like any other animal
Facts
Gaming god
The void was nice. Billions of years came before and yet.. it feels as though no time has past.
How to cleanse my brain: watch Pursuit of Wonder
Gaming god
God gaming
Not having children derives not from dislike, but from love too great to bring them into this world, too limited, too vain, too cruel.
Michel Onfray
Yeah but you are decreasing the amount of love in the world
So true. I think suffering will be the only thing that will be eternal and permanent. Everything is fine and bearable and even happy on somedays but its absolute shit on other days. And you need to work your ass off for your future. So much that you probably aren't enjoying your present
Yeah, I can't think of making another being suffer like this.
@@buddatobi - You do realize that the larger our population becomes, the more future generations would suffer?... the human population is rapidly growing, while at the same time the Earth's natural resources are depleting. We are living in a time of decadence and excess, but the way that we're living today is not sustainable in the long run.
Thank you for this video. When I was a child about age 9, I got into an argument with my parents about doing chores. I told them that I didn’t ask to be born. And that I was upset that I wasn’t given a choice of whether I wanted to be born or not. I still hold that sentiment today. I woke up this morning and started crying in frustration about the same sentiment. Life is very hard for some harder for others easier for others and downright excruciating for those who don’t get a choice of even where they are born or what they are born into. It’s a lottery. I know friends who are so happy in life. And for me, it’s always been a struggle. It’s probably a genetic struggle. I knew as a child that I would never have children of my own. I just intuitively knew it was not the right thing to do for me , or, to bring another human being into the swirl without giving them a choice in it. And I guess I made that choice for them. But then what is making a choice for someone who doesn’t exist. These are the questions I’ve always had since I was a child. I had existential depression at age 9. It blows my mind how we are in a galaxy with planets and all the randomness of it. There’s so much incredible energy and knowledge out there. It’s a marvelous thing on one hand and on the other it’s so lonely and isolating to not have the answers. Psychologist will tell us we need to get into counseling. We need to get happy and peace and secure with ourselves. I tried to do that my whole life. Try to figure out how to be secure here on earth. I’m here and I’m stuck and I have no choice. I’m trying to figure out how to make the best of it. What a wild ride existence can be. I certainly like to get it right before I die and go into the next unknown.
It's not deniable that our existence as a living creature is just a consequence of cosmic change, and we are not here because of miracle of some eternal and most powerful thingy.
It's a trap, the only way out of it is death, die and escape it. The most weird thing is the pointlessness of everything that we do.
This has been a life long sentiment that I have had since I was a child old enough to reason. If I had had the choice of whether to be born or not, my answer would be an emphatic NO!
Liar, else you'd have left.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 why do you call me a liar? Left, as in commited suicide? That wouldn't be fair to my wife now or loved ones in the past. But if I had the choice of being born or not, my answer is I'd prefer not to be born. None of my loved ones would ever have known me nor missed me.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 Wishing to not be born and wishing to die is different.
@@deankaraniya7422 How so
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 The latter implies you are fine with not experiencing pleasure.
I didnt choose to come to Earth and I wont recommend doing it. Quality was poor and had a bad experience. 3.5/10 wont be coming again
3.5 is still a very high score in my opinion
I would 1 out of 10..lol
I'd give it 7/10
And then one turtle that escaped made a YT channel called Exurb1a spreading the existential crisis to anyone who clicked on its videos👁️👄👁️
Ah, the existential turtle
@Railqun no, the ones that escaped are the ones that lived to retirement.
And this metaphor doesn't extend well to beyond the walls, it's what's happening inside the walls, what can be changed to help most of people, that matters
Funny how nobody chose to exist but to stop existing is not a choice either, because everyone else will try to keep you in the pit for as long as they can.
Truth
Everyone has a right to end their own life if they want to, no one asked to be born
No one chose to exist, but everyone around you did agree that should someone chose to not exist try to stop them at all costs. This seems extremely hypocritical especially in any nation that believes it is free. If you don't even have the freedom to reject the one thing that is truly yours you are not free.
Man is the only animal who kills himself. No other animal on the planet commits suicide. All species try everything they can for their survival
@@eklautasaquib Sort of true. It is possible for some animals to display suicidal behavior but it doesn't exactly fit into the same definition as human suicide.
For example a dog with an extremely strong bond to a human losing that bond when the human dies may refuse to eat until the point where it starves. Now was death that dogs goal? In my opinion probably not as I'm not convinced they understand the concept or how to achieve it. So it can't exactly fit with the same definition as suicide but the destructive behavior they display and the end result is the same. I recommend looking up the subject of animal suicide it's actually pretty interesting.
@@eklautasaquib but man is the most self aware the animals are fighting to survive as their instincts told them to do so so how to we know they wouldn’t do similar if they had the cognitive abilities that we are cursed with?
@@mitcheltillman2461 I agree with you 100%. That's why no species can get closed to anywhere where humans consciousness are
@@eklautasaquib it's just a curse. I think humans are the most defective animals because of our consciousness
I tell my mom that but she still finds a way to win the argument.
"Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself."
- Philip Larkin
They fuck you up, your mum and dad
They may not mean to but they do
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old style hats and coats
Who half the time were soppy stern
And half at one another's throats
Man hands on misery to man
It deepens like a coastal shelf
Get out as early as you can
And don't have any kids yourself
@@andrewnorris7642 Yep. Starve the beast
Im glad this video happened upon me as ive never seen so many people who share the same rough take on life as i do, and the video itself is a great representation of our social system and "accepted lifecycle", and its extremely flawed nature. It also sheds light on how i and many others within these comments seemingly see it and feel, i myself have had troubles in the past of life feeling pointless, a cycle of pain for a reward i have to spend near 16 years of my life to decide on and the rest of it to work towards said reward, all with the high chance i wont ever be given what i choose, but that is in the past and i can only hope anyone going through the same finds their take on life, and at least leaves happy. Optimistic nihilism is what ive adopted as my ideology, its simple yet seemingly flawless: just do what makes you happy, for nothing truly matters in the end. When i shared these thoughts to my friends they seemed more shocked than anything and so until now, i thought i was relatively alone with my take. Its nice, to see so many people that have "awakened" as i have. Whoever may find this in the sea of shared theories and ideologies, i can only give you my highest hopes you find what it is that calms you and allows you to take up your existence willingly and live it happily until you see fit. That is, if you havent already lol.
Life is like being punished for a crime you did not commit
Life is only a punishment and burden if you percieve it that way.
nah, I'm pretty sure this is the Bad Place and we were like nazis or something equally bad on the previous life
@@matheussanthiago9685 I Wouldn't mind being a nazi 🤦🏾♂️
@@Shwab1627 I wonder if you will say this nonsense in old age (if you live to this, of course), when your body literally slowly turns into a corpse and people dear to you are dying out..
@@polmarkova How is focusing on your perspective nonsense? Perspective and how people see things is one of the biggest determiners of a person’s happiness. But I guess people like you who are depressed and wallow in self pity couldn’t understand that.
"I don't have any quotes so I'm just gonna throw this in"
-KoliAN
This made me tear up.
Thanks KoliAN
Actually legit inspirational I- 😂 you legend you
Everytime you're thankful for your life. You're accepting your existence with love and greatness
I dont know what's wrong with me, but already i have this thought since i was 7-8 years old. I never get abused as a child, instead my whole family loved me as the oldest grandchild in the family. This thought is not suitable with my religion's belief, but i can't help but to questioning and regreting my own existence, idk why
Me too
Since childhood I have felt like i am in deep dream.. someone is trying to awake me. But as soon as I wake up..i again go into deep dream