I see this through an entirely different lense now that I’ve lost my mom. If the person I loved slept with the person who took my mom away from me, I’m sure I’d react the same way
@MalcolmMerlyn-hw7mz First, that's because Tyler was being a drunken dick for no reason towards Caroline. Which just because Klaus did the things he did to Tyler that doesn't give him the right to act the way he did. Second, also who cares about what Klaus and Caroline did? It's not like Caroline cheated on Tyler with Klaus or vice versa. It was a one-night stand and that's it and if anyone's to blame it's Katherine in Elena's body. Third, I would understand if Tyler and Caroline were still together and she I slept with Klaus while she was still with tyler. Because that would cause any man to feel hostile and rageful towards another person especially a person they considered the love of their life. Fourth, however, a full-blown relationship and a one-night stand are two completely different things. A full-blown relationship is where you and your partner have been together for one month, 2 months, or 3 months etc. whereas a one night stand is just where you and that other person slept together and nothing more.
@@LordOfDragons4122 It's worse it was just one night, actually. You weren't even in love? You fucked the person who killed my mom, enslaved me, MADE ME ALMOST KILL YOU, and killed my friends......... because of lust? That won out? Okay.
@@LordOfDragons4122she screwed the man that turned him, used the sire bond to bite Caroline, then killed his mother by drowning. Tyler had every right to act the way he did. What sane person wouldn't?
@MalcolmMerlyn-hw7mz Loving Caroline lets me know you have something a bit wrong up top, she continually makes poor decisions that benefit no one, just selfishness
Let me add that Tyler left HER, not the other way around. He prioritized his revenge over loving her, even when she told him they’d be permanently done if he did, so she was perfectly fine to sleep with whoever she wanted and Tyler can’t say anything about it
@@deadpooldan9862 Whilst Tyler prioritised revenge over his relationship with Caroline, signifying the end of their relationship they were still friends, so to sleep with the guy who killed your friend/ex-boyfriend’s mother is incredibly callous. Granted, this sort of thing doesn’t exactly happen in real-life, so it’s hard to say what is and is not appropriate in such an unbelievable situation. If your parent was murdered, and a friend/former partner slept with them, how do you think that would that make you feel?
@@deadpooldan9862 Jesus Christ you are in every comment that slightly contradicts your world view of this character. Seriously? Your fav in this moment; including the Delulu lemon Mampuna Writers, deserves criticism for actual reasons us Normal folks can recognise and understand. Your whole argument is “but this person did this so many seasons ago so it’s justified”. Shit doesn’t absolve the behaviour. Are you going to excuse a paedo because he was groomed and abused himself? Oh, wait! That’s right, you already did when I said other characters like Damon were also extremely problematic but forgiven for their actions due to the writers retconning their fav characters to have flimsy and unjustifiable excuses for their actions. “Oh no but he’s like that because of Stefan” fuck Stefan. No one is excusing his actions in later seasons (which were designed to help retcon Damon to look like the better brother, by the way). Stefan is also on the shit list. Same with Alaric, Elena, Elijah, Katherine, Klaus, Tyler and the rest of the scoobydoo gang. Growing up is realising, Stefan was a weak addict and stalker, Damon was a psychotic manchild abuser who prayed on children in a time period where STATUTORY Rape is a thing, Klaus is the product of Nature vs Nuture where the abused become abusers, Elijah allowed his brother to become a monster but blamed him for it. Alaric should have stepped up as a parental figure and removed Damon and Stefan from their lives by either driving them out of town, exposing them, or leaving with Jeremy, Jenna and Elena somewhere else. Tyler was the product of a shit father not knowing how to parent a child and a mother who didn’t care to discipline and thus thought he could get away with being a bully. Elena unironically causes so many problems the entire series with this holier than thou mentality, she blames people (Katherine) for choosing to try live instead of die as a sacrifice. Katherine literally could have been an anti hero if done correctly but became a psychotic damaged woman who is jealous of a FUCKING HUMAN WHO CAN DIE AT ANY POINT. Kat baby girl get your shit together. Stop pining over men who are clearly not worth it. Point is, some of these characters are my fav. I; however, will not defend them when they do shit wrong. I’m not going to bring up stupid stuff that happened a season before or after the incident. What matters is the conduct in that moment. It’s like Bran let Jaime Lannister live even though the fucker pushed him OUT A TOWR WINDOW WHEN HE WAS 10 YEARS OLD! Sorry I ain’t forgiving that shit. If you pushed me out a window because I caught you screwing your own sister’s Punpun to keep your secret, I’m making sure you’re first to die when the Night King comes beyond The Wall. Shit ain’t excused just because he sent someone 5 seasons later to protect my sister. Your five seasons too late. First impressions last a hell of a long time and when your actions are as heinous as they were in the first 2 seasons then that’s what people accept as your true behaviour.
@@deadpooldan9862 ofc he can The guy killed his mom and his friends and hurt Elena the same way. Both Elena and Tyler are victims. Yet Caroline slept with Klaus. This goes against everything she stood for since she herself was a victim of abuse from Damon and was putting Elena on a pedestal for sleeping with him. She's the worst form of hypocrite in existence. Although half the deeds that go down in this universe aren't as bad as we perceive them here so there's that.
I don’t care what anyone says, Tyler has every reason to be upset & the fact that Stefan really punched Tyler b/c he did what he did really pisses me off. Klaus literally murdered his mother just out of pettiness. Caroline, the woman, he thought truly loved him ended up f*cking the guy who murdered his mother. I love Caroline, but her f*cking Klaus make her the a-hole 1 billion percent. That sh*ts unforgivable. The way they try to excuse her doing that too was dumb af.
@@jasonmoukala8909 ....How is her sleeping with the guy who killed his mother..... different from making out with his best friend's mother? For one. Tyler was a minor and a victim in that. For two. She was still alive to tell the story.
I think people really did needed to see Tyler’s POV I mean he loved Caroline with everything in his force couldn’t be with her but once he found out that she did this it broke his heart shattered so people really need to have had compassion for Tyler
@@meissa7057 Remember how Klaus had to do his big sacrifice thing to get his powers. Klaus was even gonna se Caroline as a sacrifice as well. John even gave up his life for Elena's so that instead of forced to be a vampire she could be a human. He drained Elena dry.
@@melissaclark1051what about all the bad things Tyler Damon Stefan Caroline and Elena and Bonnie did you think what klaus did is more Important than what the rest of them did
@@Unknown_Swiftie77 what about killing Stefan's doppelganger who was an innocent doctor, just so Stefan could live? or killing Kol which resulted in the death of his whole sire line that no doubt included "good" vampires, just so Jeremy could complete his tattoo because Elena wanted to be human again? among other examples, of course, there's too many to list them all.
I will never understand HOW and WHY this show NEVER shows that Caroline is wrong. They always try to cover it up somehow to make her pErFeCT and it’s sooooo annoying
I still cant believe they tried to make tyler the bad guy in here, caroline is a hypocrite and I dont feel sorry for her at all, idk why so many people say that stefan didnt deserve her when its caroline the one that doesnt deserve stefan
@@GranberryLoren Im not really a delena fan but Caroline has no right to criticize elena when her hypocrite ass sleeps with the guy that killed jenna and make elena and her friends life a living hell, most overrated character in the whole series
Incredible how they made Tyler seem like a villain here. He had every right to act the way he did. Stefan hitting him was just disgusting. Poor guy just never caught a break.
@@TheNeel555 RIGHT!?! Like they legit normalised, abuse, statutory rape in the 21st century (I’m ignoring the times where it’s normal for people to be wed once a girl starts to bleed), stalking, forgiving killers of loved ones, child endangerment, child neglect. All of it is fucked.
I never liked Caroline honestly. She had some okay moments but mostly she had the attitude of "I will do what I want but I'll still be judgemental and over opinionated about everybody else". Elena was going through so much in S4 and I personally think Caroline, having recently been through the transition herself should have been Elenas biggest helper but there was no understanding to any confusion that Elena was feeling. Tbf, she always was jealous since S1 so makes sense. I actually liked her with Tyler though but I think he could have treated her better as their relationship went on. However, that does not excuse the fact she slept with Klaus after killing Tylers mum. People try to excuse that fact with basically saying that Klaus and Tyler had beef with each other, but why does that mean Caroline was not at fault? Caroline was devastated when her mum died in S6, and that was of natural causes. Can you imagine if someone had murdered her mum, and it had been Tyler who slept with that person? Again, it's the hypocrisy because you know how Caroline would have reacted. Also, I don't think it makes sense for anyone in Mystic Falls to feel any positive feelings towards Klaus after killing Jenna and making Stefan lose himself. How the hell can Caroline get mad at Elena for sleeping with Damon when she very clearly felt something for Klaus and gave into those feelings for a brief moment? She could've redeemed herself with a little self reflection but she did not. Hated that her and Stefan ended up a couple. They were good as friends but let's be real; Stefan was never going to love someone like he loved Elena.
This 1000% and I am sorry I know that what Stefan did to Enzo he did under control, but her begging Bonnie to be at her wedding….meh too soon….but Bonnie is a saint so 🤷🏽♀️. And the way she treated Ric when she was pregnant with the twins/had them 🤢 I liked her with Tyler….I liked her with Matt over Stefan…I get she had a major crush on him since forever but it my eyes that relationship was forced, its not that I can’t see him with anyone but Elena but I can’t see him and her
I agree with everything 1000%! But a slight change I would make: when Tyler got sired, of course he was acting different, but it was out of his control! Yeah Caroline “tried” helping him, but she wasn’t suppose to be this annoyed by something he can’t control! Caroline never tries to understand people.
Tyler deserves no one and no offense to the fans but I'm glad he died If you haven't watch the show why did you read my comment? When Klaus and Tyler fought I was hoping for one thing. Klaus beating Tyler like a ragdoll and making him look like a scared puppy 😂😂😂
@@diamondflake5407 yea but I think the point is the risk. Cuz one bite kills her, and he was baring his teeth. Now, everyone who knows Caroline knows she stubborn as hell and she ain’t wanna hurt Tyler like dis, so she would’ve went against his wishes and stayed.
this was the moment i lost all respect for caroline and tbh out of the three leading girls, she was always my least favorite. but how do you expect someone to act when they find out you slept with their mother's murderer? i loved forwood and being with tyler made caroline so likeable and i'm still so upset they broke them apart for a ship that made no sense.
She was always my least favorite too because of how she never took responsibility for her own actions but was so quick to judge others... Just a horrible personality.
@@usooicee like I never actually liked Caroline or Elena Gilbert or Jeremy or Matt or Alaric or Damon the only people I felt sorry for was Stefan Tyler and Bonnie
i really like both stefan and caroline but stefan really pissed me off in this scene. he had the fucking nerve to hit tyler for being reasonably angry at caroline for sleeping with his mother’s killer?? the hypocrisy in stefan is ridiculous, he did it all cus he was feeling soft for caroline when tyler is 100% in the right.
Everyone has bad boy syndrome. They love Klaus and Caroline together…but Tyler was right. Klaus was a bad guy here who killed thousands including his own mother…
This scene shows caroline for the exact hypocritical, narcissistic, type of person she is. The whole show they tried to display her as always doing good. Judges elena 24/7, yet she decides its ok to sleep with her ex boyfriends, mother’s murderer. And then tries to flip the whole thing on tyler, caroline is a horrible character! Always has been
@@saery4523 Did she really? Because she never stopped being judge, petty and shallow in some situations. Also she never took responsibilities for her own actions but always was so quick to judge others.
@@bhumikadash5865 that's not my point. Damon did that as THE first bad guy that was introduced in the show. Elena, Caroline, Bonnie and even his own brother hated him for what he did to Caroline and every innocent person he hurt at the beginning of the show. But he was supposed to have a character development and find his way with the help of his brother and his true love, Elena. However, after seasons of him being in their friend group and helping all of them, Caroline was still mad when Elena told her that she slept with him on season 4. Don't get me wrong, she had every reason to be mad at her friend because after all, Damon did abuse her when she was just a teenager. But Klaus remains one of the biggest villains in Elena and Tyler's life until the end. He took his mom and her Aunt and basically tried to sacrifice Elena more than once. He compelled Stefan to bring out his ripper side and so much more. So Caroline running to Elena to let her know she has slept with him was absolutely insane. As Caroline once said , Klaus was never the villain in her story. So I actually loved the idea of the two of them together until the end of the originals. I'm just saying that Elena being excited about them having sex makes no sense. Unlike Damon, Klaus was never forgiven by them because his story in mystic falls was not about his redemption.
Poor Tyler ... That's what happens when you love the wrong person too much, Ty fell in love with the adorable kind and funny s2 Caroline, but she changed and she became someone able to do that ...
This moment was hard, I liked Caroline but she was so far in the wrong, from her arguable infidelity, not only did Klaus murder Tyler’s mother, Jenna and so many others, sleeping with Klaus was wrong and she deserved everything Tyler threw at her.
No i agree with Tyler. I think the reason Stefan made Tyler back off was because he saw her face which was pure guilt. Sometimes depending on the person guilt can be enough of a punishment for a person. I don’t think he wanted Tyler to pile on
Oh please gtfo. She deserves to feel guilty and more. And even so, Tyler has every right to express his anger. Stefan shouldn’t get mad at Tyler for doing so
@@kisamekinghoshigaki6116even in real life it's a thing . Imagine you find your wife cheated and got pregnant. Then she looks at you with guilt and your over there trying to guilt trip her even more. Are you really going to be that petty and then someone said doesn't matter it's real life. Like what the fuck does that have to do with purposely trying to guilt trip somebody
Klaus has wanted caroline dead multiple times when Tyler was sired to him he made Tyler bite caroline to get revenge for stefan killing one of his hybrids
People legit try to rewrite history when it comes to this show and it's wild. You can like a character without acting like their bad actions are justified. I love Katherine, Damon and Klaus but I can admit they did a lot of terrible things that cannot be justified. Idk why people act like Klaus is some misunderstood angel that only does bad things because of trauma. And Caroline was gross for sleeping with Klaus after what he did to Tyler when he killed Tyler, made him a slave and killed his mother but every other time Caroline was the better friend and vampire. Holding her accountable for the one bad thing she did isn't going to ruin her character overall lol and acting like Tyler is a villain for not wanting to be a slave, for getting revenge just like everyone else has and for being angry that his ex slept with his enslaver and mother's killer is so ridiculous. If you can't hold a fictional character accountable or be objective, then you can't act like other characters' actions are way worse just because you don't like them.
People are missing the point here lol. And it's all because they are interesting in the plot. That's how the shows get you. If this was real life, y'all would obviously side with Tyler. Klaus is the reason why Tyler is even depressed in the first place. Bonnie at fault for the REASONING on Caroline being a vampire. Period. Stefan is the reason why the teenagers' lives are at risk.
A lot of TVD fans are so exhausting because a lot of y'all judge characters based on their looks. If Tyler was as attractive as Klaus, none of you would be defending Caroline's bs. In fact, if the roles were reversed and Tyler slept with someone who killed Sheriff Forbes, all of you would be calling him the bad guy.
Side note: I think Tyler is very hot. But what are you saying about if the roles were reversed just really shows how people don't understand anything beyond looks. Tyler had EVERY right to be mad at Caroline I hate how people don't see it
4:09 Tyler deserved that. Besides, he left Caroline to go & tried to kill Klaus. And another thing, Klaus killed Tyler's mom because he turned Klaus' hybrids against him. That's the reality about Klaus, you take something from him, he takes something from you. He doesn't just get mad, he also gets even.
You are wrong, you have forgotten all the psychological damage that Klaus did to Tyler, Tyler was right to try to kill Klaus to put an end to the deaths of innocent people and another thing, Klaus has no right to kill anyone no matter what they have done to him. taken away something, justifying your actions is stupid and sick. Klaus fans are sick.
@@alexmercerreyescastillo7659 I'm not a Klaus fan, I'm just saying if you piss him off, he retaliates & that usually means killing someone. The point is that he's basically 1 of the last vampires on Earth you ever wanna piss off.
What i didn't like was the fact that: The down played tylor as a hybrid. Caroline massive plot armored af. Claims of stefan being more savage than damon. Klaus and Damon not considered for a epic spinoff of their own.
Okay I see the point but like if you guys did it to your parters would it be okay then?And if I can’t remember,Klaus was in his body correct?and going off of Nadia Katherine became Elena.So since klaus was in Tyler’s body,wouldn’t he be Tyler?
Klaus has done some vile things. In all reality though, he was very much misunderstood. The whole sacrificing Elena to break the curse is ultimately his parents fault. He never should have been cursed. It was done just cause his father hated the fact he was a werewolf. And his mother did it out of fear of Michael and cause she felt guilty for having an affair with Klaus's birth father. Klaus was fooled into thinking he had to kill to be cured.
There was a time when I vouched for Caroline. But fucking hell. When a man says leave him alone after he found out you stepped out on him with someone who harmed him/people he loved and cared for, you skip your rainbow butt out of there! I don’t remember if they were still together at this point but it still doesn’t make it right. It’s like the whole Delena thing. Damon literally killed people Elena knew, physically, emotionally and psychologically abused Caroline and that other chick. He tried to kill Jeremy (don’t come here with your bullshit of it was a bad day and Katherine hurt his feelings, he knew Jeremy would live, blah,blah, blah), he turned and manipulated Vicky which led to her death, HE KILLED LEXI FOR NO FUCKING REASON OTHER THAN TO MAKE HER TAKE THE FALL FOR HIS FUCK UPS! He messed with Stefan when he was trying to ignore his bloodlust in Season one. Oh and let’s not forget that CANONICALLY HE IS 24 FUCKING YEARS OLD WHEN HE SLEEPS WITH UNDERAGE MINOR GIRLS!!! I don’t give a fuck about his smoulder and wisecracks. Thats way too many Red Flags to suddenly forgive; never mind make me romantically interested in him. And, for a good 3 seasons on the show, the reason for his anger towards Stefan was that Stefan should have died instead of being turned because; and I fucking quote, “It was only supposed to be me.” I’m sorry, but how in the fuck am I supposed to be, “Oh poor Damon. He decided to be a paedo and abuse a then 16/17 year old girl. But it’s okay he has a sexy smoulder and dry humour with blue eyes. We can forgive that.”? Like how. At least with Klaus there’s a small amount of leeway ( Not by much, mind you. He’s fucked in the head as well) My god reading some of these comments makes me feel evil for what I wish upon the people writing them.😅
Damon was literally taught to be a vampire and then forced to be a vampire by his brother. He didn’t even hold that grudge for 145 years, he really only started it in the 1990s, before that he did try to fix their broken relationship, but because of Stefan’s lack of control and Lexi’s interference, he was left alone for 145 years. Sure, he did go after 17/18 year old girls, but the age of consent in some states is actually 16, so it’s not like their underage. Most of the time when Damon does something stupid, it’s both impulsive and something he regrets. Klaus is NOT better than Damon, he became a monster on his own, while Damon was taught to be one and then was abandoned by everyone who ever loved him for 145 years, including the woman he loved for that long.
@@deadpooldan9862 oh god you again! Get out of here with your warped agenda. I’m not wasting time on diseased idiologs who still think the writing of later seasons to redeem a character who wasn’t meant to be be a hero in the first place. Julia legit admitted to retconning his character’s backstory because of how in love she suddenly was with him. Season 3 onwards was retcon heavy the first 3 seasons clearly showed shit was just a fucked up mind hating his brother for also being turned. He literally stated this on multiple occasions through Seasons 1 to 4. “It was only meant to be me” was his entire explanation for his hatred and torment. He wanted to be a vampire with Katherine. Not with her “dead” and his brother turned. Also how the fuck was Stefan supposed to know that “he never wanted to be a vampire.”? Idiot over here forgets the transition stage where the mind is basically fucked until they either die or drink. Stefan didn’t want his brother to die. Stefan is also a fucked retcon purely to make Damon seem better and more appealing to the audience. The first 4 seasons made people feel more for him due to his addictive nature and his desire to never harm yet fail to do so on numerous occasions. After season 4 they basically gave him Damon situations to make him more hate worthy towards the end. You can legitimately feel the difference in character from the first 4 seasons compared to the last 4 seasons. And that’s because Plec is more about fan service than actual character development design for redefining a character. She has to massacre other characters in order to make her faves look better. Instead of just improving all characters without casualties to already established struggling hero designs turning into discount Tyler Lockwood douche bags. That is all that happened. Don’t reply as I’ve seen your biased thoughts all over this comment section. I hate all the “hero’s of TVD because they were all victims of Julia’s fucked version of tribulations, revelations, and interpersonal conflicts and growth. She fucked a great story for self gratification. Julia is the main issue for every character to exist. Don’t even get me started on her beef with the character Bonnie and any semi important black character in TVD Universe. She’s almost as fucked in the head as the show runner for PLL. Both are great at turning their greatest works into a pile of steaming horse shit.
idk bruh, what Tyler doesnt tell Matt in this scene is that Klaus only destroyed him in New Orleans cause Tyler tried to kill Hope when Hailey was still pregnant
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xD I think it's sort of dumb to mad at Caroline for hooking up with Klaus, they had some sort of attraction/connection in the series after Klaus made Tyler bite her on her birthday. Then later on when given the choice to choose the woman he loves over revenge on Klaus he chose revenge(not that I disagree with this), but they were over and everyone on the show sort of hooks up with someone they shouldn't. Here's the thing, Tyler was a bad boyfriend and an okayish friend to begin with: he was dating Vicky who had no control versus Caroline who has too much and failed them both. Not saying he's a bad person, but a hook up in the woods with one of many people who have killed loved ones off doesn't deserve Caroline to be hated on(despite being immortal she had her human moments too). It does make me wonder though since Tyler went to NO to take revenge on Klaus, failed and left/was allowed to leave and spoiler: Klaus dies in the spinoff with his brother while Tyler is killed by Damon under a siren's control making it all seem redundant, no one got any revenge, not for the mayor or Jenna or anyone else that Klaus killed(it is an entire list, teenagers included). Besides Caroline's not the only one Klaus has slept with(Like Hayley who is ironically my favorite TO character, and how she tricked Tyler for her own cause leading to the x-mas slaughter and the mayor's death..) But eventually everything got back to normal(because there's always some crisis on the show, mostly around Elena, but always a bigger problem and bigger enemy). This was good drama though.
It's not dumb to be mad at Caroline, she slept with the person that killed his mother. If Tyler slept with someone who killed Sheriff Forbes, everyone would have had an issue with him. Tyler only wanted revenge against Klaus because he literally made Tyler his slave, how can Stefan be justified in wanting revenge against Klaus for the very same thing except in Tyler's case Klaus did much worse to him. Not only that, but Klaus literally tried to kill Caroline three times: he wanted to sacrifice her for the spell in season 2 but then chose Jenna, he made Tyler bite her and he stabbed her with a wooden pole then bit her and even after Tyler begged him to save Caroline and offered to be his slave, Klaus still refused multiple times. He only saved her at the 11th hour. Klaus's actions were way worse than Tyler's ever was yet it gets excused because he's more handsome and charming. Klaus hurt Caroline more, he killed Elena's aunt, he killed Elena then smacked her and tried to kill her again, he killed Tyler, he almost killed Jeremy... I could go on and on. Tyler was 100% right here. Yes, he did bad things in the past but literally all of them did so to act like his bad actions means Caroline is justified - when it has nothing to do with this confrontation - is wild.
@@buttercup654 No one is calling it justified xD everyone on the show has slept with someone who's killed many people, just because those people weren't the main characters family members doesn't change anything. It's hypocritical.
@@emberskelly4524 It's not hypocritical. Yes, everyone's slept with everyone or people who've done bad but if your recent ex's parent was killed by someone you choose to sleep with, that's not ok at all. It's about the principle. There's a huge difference between everyone just sleeping together and sleeping with an enemy. Not only that, but Klaus literally made Tyler a slave. Elena was wrong for sleeping with Damon knowing what he did to her brother and to Caroline. It's one thing to sleep with someone your ex or friend happens to have bad blood with, it's another thing to sleep with someone who kills your family. If Rebekah was killed by someone and let's say Marcel slept with that person, everyone would see how wrong that is. Again, sleeping with each other's exes or just generally sleeping around is one thing but sleeping with someone who killed your ex's parent not too long ago - when your ex was enslaved by that person and has to be on the run from them - is painfully wrong. If Tyler slept with someone who killed Sheriff Forbed right after he and Caroline broke up, most people defending Caroline right now would absolutely hate him. So, you can have your opinion but it's not as simple as "everyone sleeps around," it's a matter of principle and context.
@@buttercup654 It's hypocritical xD and nothing you type is going to sway me. If you can't find the hypocrisy in this, then maybe you're a bit bias when it comes to certain characters in this fictional show.
@@emberskelly4524 I literally said "You can have your opinion" I have zero interest in swaying you at all and I don't have any biases towards any character, hence I also made examples using Elena. There's not a single point I've made that can be called biased because I'm not defending anyone for anything yet calling out other characters for the same thing nor am I making anyone a martyr. I'm also very much aware that we're talking about fictional characters. My comment was about how your reasoning is oversimplified because the point of any TV show, movie, book, play, etc. is to have conflict and to simply state "Well, everyone's slept with everyone" or "Everyone's slept with someone who killed someone" leans into an idea that no one can actually be angry at anyone for anything because they all do bad at some point. To me, that makes no sense. You can think it's hypocritical all you want to but there are clear principles to suggest it isn't. Whether we see things the same way means nothing.
Caroline almost died three times because of Tyler, and one of those times, she was kidnapped/held hostage/brutally tortured by Tyler's friends. She had to beg him to set her free so that they wouldn't get the chance to kill her. What kind of friend sits back and lets you get tortured and then tries to play the victim after the fact. Yes, I was pissed that Klaus killed his mom. Even though It wasn't unprovoked. I've always disliked Tyler because he always disrespected/mistreated his romantic partners & friends epecially Caroline. Caroline was constantly getting her heart stomped on by her boyfriends and friends. So, of course, she jumped at the chance to feel Klaus's affection. He loved her way more than her own friends and other past boyfriends ever did. Caroline and Klaus should've ended up together because the way they always brought out the best in each other would've worked in their favor.
Caroline almost died three times because of Klaus. He was going to use her as the vampire sacrifice then chose Jenna instead, he made Tyler bite Caroline using the sire bond and then he stabbed her with a wooden pole and then bit her. Tyler begged Klaus to save her life and even offered to be his slave again, how many times did Klaus say no to saving Caroline? He only saved her once he saw she was really going to die but he literally tried to kill her three times so acting like Tyler got her into trouble besides the one time he bit her is wild. And again, he only bit her because of the sire bond whereas Klaus bit her on purpose and stabbed her before it. Klaus's actions towards her were worse than Tyler's.
None of what you said was Tyler's fault directly :D Klaus did WAY more horrible things, not only to Caroline but in general and Tyler is the awful one? :D Yes their relationship did not worked out but sometimes they don't and in Tyler's defense he really had a good reason (guy was going through very hard time) and maybe he doesn't know how to deal with it any other way? And for Caroline - well if not Tyler, then she jumps on another guys :D
I just feel like Tyler is a fucking hypocrite he chose revenge over Caroline and when liv did in season 6 he broke up with her because of it like he’s stupid
And I still liked Caroline after this. She was my favorite on the show. I never cared for Tyler.... like at all, even with him and Liv, both of them were insufferable and arrogant. With that being said, in this situation, Caroline was 100% wrong in this situation and should've broken up with tyler! Tyler was still an asshole to Caroline during their entire relationship, but she still should've broken things off. Hell, I considered him walking out that last time was the official break up, but then Rebekah's messy ass sends him back packing after that ass whoppin Klaus gave him after stopping Elijah from probably ending his tedious brief little life (it wouldve been short, but we have to blame plot). , Caroline had that guilty look on her face, and from then I knew Tyler would've found out. Everyone on this show was either a narcissist, sociopath, pyschopath, murderer, adulterous, or all of the above and everybody was fucking everybody. I'm still surprised that this show lasted 8 seasons because I stopped watching it. Maybe it had something to do with Zach's Roerig's holier than thou character surviving the entire 8 seasons, I don't know lmfaoooooooooooo.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For everyone calling Caroline a hypocrite, she’s not. Tyler walked out on her when she made it perfectly clear they’d never get back together if he did, meaning she’s allowed to sleep with whoever she wants and he can’t blame or judge her for it. She didn’t want to leave Tyler here when he’s so emotional because she wants to help him, but he’s too upset to let her. She didn’t deserve to be treated like a bad person because she slept with Klaus, especially not by the guy who left her. And yes, it did genuinely look like he was about to attack her, that’s why Stefan stepped in Edit: also, Tyler doesn’t get to act all high and mighty when he tried to kill an unborn baby simply because of who her father is. I don’t care what the father did or is, the baby is innocent and doesn’t deserve to die
It’s not about her sleeping with someone else. It’s about that someone else being Klaus of all ppl. Had she slept with a normal person, or even a stranger fine. But she slept with Klaus, the biggest villain who ruined the lives of Katherine, Stefan, Elena, Tyler & more. She didn’t just betray Tyler, she betrayed Elena too.
@@exoticsamba492 and yet Elena wouldn’t care or call her a bad person, even Katherine said she wasn’t a bad person. The only one who shamed her for it was Tyler, and he had no right to do that when he walked out on her for petty revenge
@@deadpooldan9862 Elena is dating Damon, yet another villain. Katherine has become a villain herself because of what Klaus put her through. Tyler had every right to get mad. You’re excusing her terrible behavior instead of holding her accountable. I love Caroline too, but I don’t condone her bad choices. Just like I didn’t condone it when Tyler left her for revenge. It goes both ways.
@@exoticsamba492 I’m not condoning her bad choices, but sleeping with Klaus was neither good nor bad, only she has the right to decide that. Elena fell for Damon despite knowing exactly what and who he is, and he changed because of that love. Katherine never changed because she didn’t care about anyone but herself. Tyler has every right to be upset and mad, but absolutely no right to judge and shame Caroline
@@deadpooldan9862 Elena was wrong for choosing Damon tho. Same way, Caroline was wrong for sleeping with Klaus. So Tyler had every right to judge and shame her. Actions have consequences.
Um…didn’t Klaus kill his mom because Tyler was delusional on a pack Alpha power trip and tried to kill Klaus after Klaus warned him not to try some BS. His mom’s death and the hybrids were as much Tyler’s fault as Klaus’s, Tyler set the events in motion by becoming power hungry. besides Elena (in misguided attempts to protect people) and Damon (most of that was because of his obsession with Katherine or rejections from Elena) , Tyler has put everyone in their friend group at risk the most. The difference is that the carnage he puts in motion is because of his revenge fantasies or his wanting to lead. Tyler chose revenge over Caroline (and has put her in danger multiple times. He need to take several seats.
Tyler wanted revenge against Klaus because he killed him and made him a slave, not because of some fantasy or because he wanted to be the alpha. In fact, Hayley was the one who pushed the whole alpha thing onto Tyler. And none of that justifies Caroline sleeping with the man that killed Tyler's mother. Tyler only wanted to be free from Klaus, just like Stefan did yet no one judged Stefan for wanting revenge against Klaus for having him turn off his humanity and go on the road trip and make hybrids. Tyler was 100% right in this situation. Exactly when and how did Tyler put everyone in danger the most? All of the characters have stepped up against Klaus multiple times, Tyler only had one plan that was orchestrated with Hayley. Tyler didn't want to be enslaved anymore, which is a great reason to go against Klaus. He also didn't put Caroline in any danger besides when he bit her but that was because of the sire bond when Klaus made him do it. Every other time was other people who wanted to strong-arm him using Caroline. He's literally never put Caroline in danger any other time. Also, Klaus literally tried to kill Caroline three times: he was going to use her as the vampire sacrifice then chose Jenna instead, he made Tyler bite Caroline using the sire bond and then he stabbed her with a wooden pole and then bit her. Tyler begged Klaus to save her life and even offered to be his slave again yet Klaus said no to saving Caroline multiple times. He only saved her once he saw she was really going to die but he literally tried to kill her three times so acting like Tyler got her into trouble besides the one time he bit her is wild. And again, he only bit her because of the sire bond whereas Klaus bit her on purpose and stabbed her before it. Most of the characters in the show acted way worse than Tyler but their actions get excused. Damon, Stefan, Katherine, Klaus and the other Mikaelsons did stuff that were way worse than Tyler.
I see this through an entirely different lense now that I’ve lost my mom. If the person I loved slept with the person who took my mom away from me, I’m sure I’d react the same way
@MalcolmMerlyn-hw7mz
First, that's because Tyler was being a drunken dick for no reason towards Caroline. Which just because Klaus did the things he did to Tyler that doesn't give him the right to act the way he did.
Second, also who cares about what Klaus and Caroline did? It's not like Caroline cheated on Tyler with Klaus or vice versa. It was a one-night stand and that's it and if anyone's to blame it's Katherine in Elena's body.
Third, I would understand if Tyler and Caroline were still together and she I slept with Klaus while she was still with tyler. Because that would cause any man to feel hostile and rageful towards another person especially a person they considered the love of their life.
Fourth, however, a full-blown relationship and a one-night stand are two completely different things. A full-blown relationship is where you and your partner have been together for one month, 2 months, or 3 months etc. whereas a one night stand is just where you and that other person slept together and nothing more.
@@LordOfDragons4122 It's worse it was just one night, actually. You weren't even in love? You fucked the person who killed my mom, enslaved me, MADE ME ALMOST KILL YOU, and killed my friends......... because of lust? That won out? Okay.
@@LordOfDragons4122she screwed the man that turned him, used the sire bond to bite Caroline, then killed his mother by drowning. Tyler had every right to act the way he did. What sane person wouldn't?
@MalcolmMerlyn-hw7mz Loving Caroline lets me know you have something a bit wrong up top, she continually makes poor decisions that benefit no one, just selfishness
@@LordOfDragons4122 geez. you've got some really messed up thinking there
I also would love to add that Tyler gave Caroline the opportunity to leave. Then SHE refused. I’m on Tyler’s side 100%
Let me add that Tyler left HER, not the other way around. He prioritized his revenge over loving her, even when she told him they’d be permanently done if he did, so she was perfectly fine to sleep with whoever she wanted and Tyler can’t say anything about it
@@deadpooldan9862 Whilst Tyler prioritised revenge over his relationship with Caroline, signifying the end of their relationship they were still friends, so to sleep with the guy who killed your friend/ex-boyfriend’s mother is incredibly callous. Granted, this sort of thing doesn’t exactly happen in real-life, so it’s hard to say what is and is not appropriate in such an unbelievable situation. If your parent was murdered, and a friend/former partner slept with them, how do you think that would that make you feel?
@@ToTheMax-bm5ft exactly. This person is out here defending shit like it’s made of gold
@@deadpooldan9862 Jesus Christ you are in every comment that slightly contradicts your world view of this character. Seriously? Your fav in this moment; including the Delulu lemon Mampuna Writers, deserves criticism for actual reasons us Normal folks can recognise and understand. Your whole argument is “but this person did this so many seasons ago so it’s justified”. Shit doesn’t absolve the behaviour. Are you going to excuse a paedo because he was groomed and abused himself? Oh, wait! That’s right, you already did when I said other characters like Damon were also extremely problematic but forgiven for their actions due to the writers retconning their fav characters to have flimsy and unjustifiable excuses for their actions. “Oh no but he’s like that because of Stefan” fuck Stefan. No one is excusing his actions in later seasons (which were designed to help retcon Damon to look like the better brother, by the way). Stefan is also on the shit list. Same with Alaric, Elena, Elijah, Katherine, Klaus, Tyler and the rest of the scoobydoo gang. Growing up is realising, Stefan was a weak addict and stalker, Damon was a psychotic manchild abuser who prayed on children in a time period where STATUTORY Rape is a thing, Klaus is the product of Nature vs Nuture where the abused become abusers, Elijah allowed his brother to become a monster but blamed him for it. Alaric should have stepped up as a parental figure and removed Damon and Stefan from their lives by either driving them out of town, exposing them, or leaving with Jeremy, Jenna and Elena somewhere else. Tyler was the product of a shit father not knowing how to parent a child and a mother who didn’t care to discipline and thus thought he could get away with being a bully. Elena unironically causes so many problems the entire series with this holier than thou mentality, she blames people (Katherine) for choosing to try live instead of die as a sacrifice. Katherine literally could have been an anti hero if done correctly but became a psychotic damaged woman who is jealous of a FUCKING HUMAN WHO CAN DIE AT ANY POINT. Kat baby girl get your shit together. Stop pining over men who are clearly not worth it.
Point is, some of these characters are my fav. I; however, will not defend them when they do shit wrong. I’m not going to bring up stupid stuff that happened a season before or after the incident. What matters is the conduct in that moment. It’s like Bran let Jaime Lannister live even though the fucker pushed him OUT A TOWR WINDOW WHEN HE WAS 10 YEARS OLD! Sorry I ain’t forgiving that shit. If you pushed me out a window because I caught you screwing your own sister’s Punpun to keep your secret, I’m making sure you’re first to die when the Night King comes beyond The Wall. Shit ain’t excused just because he sent someone 5 seasons later to protect my sister. Your five seasons too late. First impressions last a hell of a long time and when your actions are as heinous as they were in the first 2 seasons then that’s what people accept as your true behaviour.
@@deadpooldan9862 ofc he can
The guy killed his mom and his friends and hurt Elena the same way. Both Elena and Tyler are victims. Yet Caroline slept with Klaus. This goes against everything she stood for since she herself was a victim of abuse from Damon and was putting Elena on a pedestal for sleeping with him. She's the worst form of hypocrite in existence. Although half the deeds that go down in this universe aren't as bad as we perceive them here so there's that.
I don’t care what anyone says, Tyler has every reason to be upset & the fact that Stefan really punched Tyler b/c he did what he did really pisses me off. Klaus literally murdered his mother just out of pettiness. Caroline, the woman, he thought truly loved him ended up f*cking the guy who murdered his mother. I love Caroline, but her f*cking Klaus make her the a-hole 1 billion percent. That sh*ts unforgivable. The way they try to excuse her doing that too was dumb af.
How’s that unforgivable? How’s it different from making out with your best friends mother😂😂😂
Also he didn’t kill his mother out of pettiness. He killed his mother cuz Tyler was tried to kill him
For the record, Tyler took something from Klaus, so Klaus took something from him. The thing about Klaus, he doesn't just get mad, he also gets even.
So getting pissy is fine even if you and the other person aren't together?😅
@@jasonmoukala8909 ....How is her sleeping with the guy who killed his mother..... different from making out with his best friend's mother? For one. Tyler was a minor and a victim in that. For two. She was still alive to tell the story.
I think people really did needed to see Tyler’s POV I mean he loved Caroline with everything in his force couldn’t be with her but once he found out that she did this it broke his heart shattered so people really need to have had compassion for Tyler
Caroline not remembering Klaus also killed Elena and killed Jenna as well.
Rebekah killed Elena
@@meissa7057 Remember how Klaus had to do his big sacrifice thing to get his powers. Klaus was even gonna se Caroline as a sacrifice as well. John even gave up his life for Elena's so that instead of forced to be a vampire she could be a human. He drained Elena dry.
@@melissaclark1051what about all the bad things Tyler Damon Stefan Caroline and Elena and Bonnie did you think what klaus did is more Important than what the rest of them did
@@anasomar8136 none of them involved killing innocents to become more powerful. 💀
@@Unknown_Swiftie77 what about killing Stefan's doppelganger who was an innocent doctor, just so Stefan could live? or killing Kol which resulted in the death of his whole sire line that no doubt included "good" vampires, just so Jeremy could complete his tattoo because Elena wanted to be human again? among other examples, of course, there's too many to list them all.
I will never understand HOW and WHY this show NEVER shows that Caroline is wrong. They always try to cover it up somehow to make her pErFeCT and it’s sooooo annoying
it quite literally just showed that what she did was wrong but she shouldn’t be judged by her actions?
@@gitanastanciauskaite3893 she was Julie plec self insert imo
@@l.jjawara4463 Well this makes it even worse😖😂
So glad these comments understand Tyler’s POV. I feel like back when the show was airing nobody did.
Tyler didnt deserve that. Caroline was wrong. And I love Caroline. Her growth was amazing over the show, but still was WRONG
Exactly
tyler cheated too
I still cant believe they tried to make tyler the bad guy in here, caroline is a hypocrite and I dont feel sorry for her at all, idk why so many people say that stefan didnt deserve her when its caroline the one that doesnt deserve stefan
Thank you she sleeps with Klaus then has the nerve to keep riding Elena on her relationship with Damon
@@GranberryLoren Im not really a delena fan but Caroline has no right to criticize elena when her hypocrite ass sleeps with the guy that killed jenna and make elena and her friends life a living hell, most overrated character in the whole series
@@GranberryLorenthe difference is the thing with klaus was just a one time hookup. It’s not the same thing. Try again
@@elizabethbloom7213a hookup isn’t the same as a relationship. Try again buddy
@@jasonmoukala8909 The point is Caroline had romantic feelings for Klaus at the same time Elena fell for Damon
Incredible how they made Tyler seem like a villain here. He had every right to act the way he did. Stefan hitting him was just disgusting. Poor guy just never caught a break.
Tyler's not a villain but it's a good thing that the traveler who possessed Tyler helped him get his revenge
Caroline finally got her karma for telling Stefan Elena’s business when it wasn’t her place
This show is the epitome of normalising bs behaviour
Agreed!
@@TheNeel555 RIGHT!?!
Like they legit normalised, abuse, statutory rape in the 21st century (I’m ignoring the times where it’s normal for people to be wed once a girl starts to bleed), stalking, forgiving killers of loved ones, child endangerment, child neglect. All of it is fucked.
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I never liked Caroline honestly. She had some okay moments but mostly she had the attitude of "I will do what I want but I'll still be judgemental and over opinionated about everybody else". Elena was going through so much in S4 and I personally think Caroline, having recently been through the transition herself should have been Elenas biggest helper but there was no understanding to any confusion that Elena was feeling. Tbf, she always was jealous since S1 so makes sense.
I actually liked her with Tyler though but I think he could have treated her better as their relationship went on. However, that does not excuse the fact she slept with Klaus after killing Tylers mum. People try to excuse that fact with basically saying that Klaus and Tyler had beef with each other, but why does that mean Caroline was not at fault? Caroline was devastated when her mum died in S6, and that was of natural causes. Can you imagine if someone had murdered her mum, and it had been Tyler who slept with that person? Again, it's the hypocrisy because you know how Caroline would have reacted. Also, I don't think it makes sense for anyone in Mystic Falls to feel any positive feelings towards Klaus after killing Jenna and making Stefan lose himself. How the hell can Caroline get mad at Elena for sleeping with Damon when she very clearly felt something for Klaus and gave into those feelings for a brief moment? She could've redeemed herself with a little self reflection but she did not.
Hated that her and Stefan ended up a couple. They were good as friends but let's be real; Stefan was never going to love someone like he loved Elena.
This 1000% and I am sorry I know that what Stefan did to Enzo he did under control, but her begging Bonnie to be at her wedding….meh too soon….but Bonnie is a saint so 🤷🏽♀️. And the way she treated Ric when she was pregnant with the twins/had them 🤢 I liked her with Tyler….I liked her with Matt over Stefan…I get she had a major crush on him since forever but it my eyes that relationship was forced, its not that I can’t see him with anyone but Elena but I can’t see him and her
I agree with everything 1000%! But a slight change I would make: when Tyler got sired, of course he was acting different, but it was out of his control! Yeah Caroline “tried” helping him, but she wasn’t suppose to be this annoyed by something he can’t control! Caroline never tries to understand people.
@@gitanastanciauskaite3893 I forgot Tyler got sired…
@@abbzsterz Yeah poor guy went through a lot…
Tyler deserves no one and no offense to the fans but I'm glad he died
If you haven't watch the show why did you read my comment?
When Klaus and Tyler fought I was hoping for one thing. Klaus beating Tyler like a ragdoll and making him look like a scared puppy 😂😂😂
I like Stefan but he was rlly wrong here so was Caroline . It lowkey made me look at both of them different
I get Stefan being mad tho, he could have killed her
@@fr0ntr0w90 Tyler was never gonna kill Caroline he was just angry and Stefan should’ve understood that out of all people
@@diamondflake5407 yea but I think the point is the risk. Cuz one bite kills her, and he was baring his teeth. Now, everyone who knows Caroline knows she stubborn as hell and she ain’t wanna hurt Tyler like dis, so she would’ve went against his wishes and stayed.
@@diamondflake5407 Tyler ain’t in the wrong btw, he should’ve just controlled his anger a lil
@@fr0ntr0w90tbf he told her to leave that was restraint enough.
this was the moment i lost all respect for caroline and tbh out of the three leading girls, she was always my least favorite. but how do you expect someone to act when they find out you slept with their mother's murderer? i loved forwood and being with tyler made caroline so likeable and i'm still so upset they broke them apart for a ship that made no sense.
She was always my least favorite too because of how she never took responsibility for her own actions but was so quick to judge others... Just a horrible personality.
@@usooicee like I never actually liked Caroline or Elena Gilbert or Jeremy or Matt or Alaric or Damon the only people I felt sorry for was Stefan Tyler and Bonnie
i really like both stefan and caroline but stefan really pissed me off in this scene. he had the fucking nerve to hit tyler for being reasonably angry at caroline for sleeping with his mother’s killer?? the hypocrisy in stefan is ridiculous, he did it all cus he was feeling soft for caroline when tyler is 100% in the right.
Everyone has bad boy syndrome. They love Klaus and Caroline together…but Tyler was right. Klaus was a bad guy here who killed thousands including his own mother…
Even Stefan knew it was wrong😂😂😂 You could tell by the way he looked at Caroline
But he shouldn’t have punched Tyler, don’t know why he did that😕
This scene shows caroline for the exact hypocritical, narcissistic, type of person she is. The whole show they tried to display her as always doing good. Judges elena 24/7, yet she decides its ok to sleep with her ex boyfriends, mother’s murderer. And then tries to flip the whole thing on tyler, caroline is a horrible character! Always has been
And the fact not one person called her out
@@gloria7237bc she grew
@@saery4523 Did she really? Because she never stopped being judge, petty and shallow in some situations. Also she never took responsibilities for her own actions but always was so quick to judge others.
Agree with you 100%. Such a horrible character that is so overrated.
to be honest , tyler had every right to behave the way he did, klaus killed his mom god damnit , his mom!!
I don’t like Tyler much but he’s completely right to be upset here.
She literally had a fling with Klaus…..out of nowhere…..just cause
her vampire side magnified i think
Klaus killed Elena's aunt. Did the writers forget about that?
Damon abused Caroline. Did the writers forget about that?
@@bhumikadash5865 that's not my point. Damon did that as THE first bad guy that was introduced in the show. Elena, Caroline, Bonnie and even his own brother hated him for what he did to Caroline and every innocent person he hurt at the beginning of the show. But he was supposed to have a character development and find his way with the help of his brother and his true love, Elena.
However, after seasons of him being in their friend group and helping all of them, Caroline was still mad when Elena told her that she slept with him on season 4. Don't get me wrong, she had every reason to be mad at her friend because after all, Damon did abuse her when she was just a teenager.
But Klaus remains one of the biggest villains in Elena and Tyler's life until the end. He took his mom and her Aunt and basically tried to sacrifice Elena more than once. He compelled Stefan to bring out his ripper side and so much more.
So Caroline running to Elena to let her know she has slept with him was absolutely insane. As Caroline once said , Klaus was never the villain in her story. So I actually loved the idea of the two of them together until the end of the originals. I'm just saying that Elena being excited about them having sex makes no sense. Unlike Damon, Klaus was never forgiven by them because his story in mystic falls was not about his redemption.
Damon killed Jeremy right In front of Elena. Yes he came back but STILL in front of her. They didn’t forget.
That’s Katherine though… so it’s not a true response as to how Elena would react
Klaus also tried to kill caroline multiple times
Poor Tyler ... That's what happens when you love the wrong person too much, Ty fell in love with the adorable kind and funny s2 Caroline, but she changed and she became someone able to do that ...
Katherine knew what she was doing.
Caroline knew what she was doing too when she butted in Elena’s business so it was only fair for Caroline to experience what Elena felt
Tyler and Caroline were such a perfect couple, until Klaus turned Tyler toxic and ruined everything!
This moment was hard, I liked Caroline but she was so far in the wrong, from her arguable infidelity, not only did Klaus murder Tyler’s mother, Jenna and so many others, sleeping with Klaus was wrong and she deserved everything Tyler threw at her.
No i agree with Tyler. I think the reason Stefan made Tyler back off was because he saw her face which was pure guilt. Sometimes depending on the person guilt can be enough of a punishment for a person. I don’t think he wanted Tyler to pile on
Oh please gtfo. She deserves to feel guilty and more. And even so, Tyler has every right to express his anger. Stefan shouldn’t get mad at Tyler for doing so
Does not matter it's a tv show
@@kisamekinghoshigaki6116even in real life it's a thing . Imagine you find your wife cheated and got pregnant.
Then she looks at you with guilt and your over there trying to guilt trip her even more.
Are you really going to be that petty and then someone said doesn't matter it's real life. Like what the fuck does that have to do with purposely trying to guilt trip somebody
@@LordOfDragons4122 she deserves to drown in that guilt in that situation. That'd still be generous.
Klaus has wanted caroline dead multiple times when Tyler was sired to him he made Tyler bite caroline to get revenge for stefan killing one of his hybrids
People legit try to rewrite history when it comes to this show and it's wild. You can like a character without acting like their bad actions are justified. I love Katherine, Damon and Klaus but I can admit they did a lot of terrible things that cannot be justified. Idk why people act like Klaus is some misunderstood angel that only does bad things because of trauma. And Caroline was gross for sleeping with Klaus after what he did to Tyler when he killed Tyler, made him a slave and killed his mother but every other time Caroline was the better friend and vampire. Holding her accountable for the one bad thing she did isn't going to ruin her character overall lol and acting like Tyler is a villain for not wanting to be a slave, for getting revenge just like everyone else has and for being angry that his ex slept with his enslaver and mother's killer is so ridiculous. If you can't hold a fictional character accountable or be objective, then you can't act like other characters' actions are way worse just because you don't like them.
People are missing the point here lol. And it's all because they are interesting in the plot. That's how the shows get you. If this was real life, y'all would obviously side with Tyler. Klaus is the reason why Tyler is even depressed in the first place. Bonnie at fault for the REASONING on Caroline being a vampire. Period. Stefan is the reason why the teenagers' lives are at risk.
A lot of TVD fans are so exhausting because a lot of y'all judge characters based on their looks. If Tyler was as attractive as Klaus, none of you would be defending Caroline's bs. In fact, if the roles were reversed and Tyler slept with someone who killed Sheriff Forbes, all of you would be calling him the bad guy.
Side note: I think Tyler is very hot.
But what are you saying about if the roles were reversed just really shows how people don't understand anything beyond looks. Tyler had EVERY right to be mad at Caroline I hate how people don't see it
@@gitanastanciauskaite3893 Tyler is hot and I agree with you, I hate how his side isn't being seen here. I don't get how unfair people are being.
tyler being 10x hotter than Klaus 😭
@@hayleywilliams4eva766 He's too underrated 💔
If Caroline had walked away after Tyler literally begged her to stay, I wouldn't mind if he did
4:09 Tyler deserved that. Besides, he left Caroline to go & tried to kill Klaus. And another thing, Klaus killed Tyler's mom because he turned Klaus' hybrids against him. That's the reality about Klaus, you take something from him, he takes something from you. He doesn't just get mad, he also gets even.
You are wrong, you have forgotten all the psychological damage that Klaus did to Tyler, Tyler was right to try to kill Klaus to put an end to the deaths of innocent people and another thing, Klaus has no right to kill anyone no matter what they have done to him. taken away something, justifying your actions is stupid and sick.
Klaus fans are sick.
@@alexmercerreyescastillo7659 I'm not a Klaus fan, I'm just saying if you piss him off, he retaliates & that usually means killing someone. The point is that he's basically 1 of the last vampires on Earth you ever wanna piss off.
@@jordonwood-13
No way ur actually justifying klaus smh
@@jennifer3728 No, I'm just stating facts. Look at it this way, if you're smart, you'll stay far away from him than piss him off.
What i didn't like was the fact that:
The down played tylor as a hybrid.
Caroline massive plot armored af.
Claims of stefan being more savage than damon.
Klaus and Damon not considered for a epic spinoff of their own.
Okay I see the point but like if you guys did it to your parters would it be okay then?And if I can’t remember,Klaus was in his body correct?and going off of Nadia Katherine became Elena.So since klaus was in Tyler’s body,wouldn’t he be Tyler?
tyler had so much better control of his vampire side that he would had made stefan his bitch after he punched him without even wolves bite
Caroline is such a hypocrite.
They did Caroline and Tyler so dirty.
Klaus has done some vile things. In all reality though, he was very much misunderstood. The whole sacrificing Elena to break the curse is ultimately his parents fault. He never should have been cursed. It was done just cause his father hated the fact he was a werewolf. And his mother did it out of fear of Michael and cause she felt guilty for having an affair with Klaus's birth father. Klaus was fooled into thinking he had to kill to be cured.
Mat is a true friend
There was a time when I vouched for Caroline. But fucking hell. When a man says leave him alone after he found out you stepped out on him with someone who harmed him/people he loved and cared for, you skip your rainbow butt out of there! I don’t remember if they were still together at this point but it still doesn’t make it right.
It’s like the whole Delena thing.
Damon literally killed people Elena knew, physically, emotionally and psychologically abused Caroline and that other chick. He tried to kill Jeremy (don’t come here with your bullshit of it was a bad day and Katherine hurt his feelings, he knew Jeremy would live, blah,blah, blah), he turned and manipulated Vicky which led to her death, HE KILLED LEXI FOR NO FUCKING REASON OTHER THAN TO MAKE HER TAKE THE FALL FOR HIS FUCK UPS! He messed with Stefan when he was trying to ignore his bloodlust in Season one.
Oh and let’s not forget that CANONICALLY HE IS 24 FUCKING YEARS OLD WHEN HE SLEEPS WITH UNDERAGE MINOR GIRLS!!! I don’t give a fuck about his smoulder and wisecracks. Thats way too many Red Flags to suddenly forgive; never mind make me romantically interested in him.
And, for a good 3 seasons on the show, the reason for his anger towards Stefan was that Stefan should have died instead of being turned because; and I fucking quote, “It was only supposed to be me.”
I’m sorry, but how in the fuck am I supposed to be, “Oh poor Damon. He decided to be a paedo and abuse a then 16/17 year old girl. But it’s okay he has a sexy smoulder and dry humour with blue eyes. We can forgive that.”?
Like how.
At least with Klaus there’s a small amount of leeway ( Not by much, mind you. He’s fucked in the head as well)
My god reading some of these comments makes me feel evil for what I wish upon the people writing them.😅
Damon was literally taught to be a vampire and then forced to be a vampire by his brother. He didn’t even hold that grudge for 145 years, he really only started it in the 1990s, before that he did try to fix their broken relationship, but because of Stefan’s lack of control and Lexi’s interference, he was left alone for 145 years. Sure, he did go after 17/18 year old girls, but the age of consent in some states is actually 16, so it’s not like their underage. Most of the time when Damon does something stupid, it’s both impulsive and something he regrets. Klaus is NOT better than Damon, he became a monster on his own, while Damon was taught to be one and then was abandoned by everyone who ever loved him for 145 years, including the woman he loved for that long.
@@deadpooldan9862 oh god you again! Get out of here with your warped agenda. I’m not wasting time on diseased idiologs who still think the writing of later seasons to redeem a character who wasn’t meant to be be a hero in the first place. Julia legit admitted to retconning his character’s backstory because of how in love she suddenly was with him. Season 3 onwards was retcon heavy the first 3 seasons clearly showed shit was just a fucked up mind hating his brother for also being turned. He literally stated this on multiple occasions through Seasons 1 to 4. “It was only meant to be me” was his entire explanation for his hatred and torment. He wanted to be a vampire with Katherine. Not with her “dead” and his brother turned. Also how the fuck was Stefan supposed to know that “he never wanted to be a vampire.”? Idiot over here forgets the transition stage where the mind is basically fucked until they either die or drink. Stefan didn’t want his brother to die. Stefan is also a fucked retcon purely to make Damon seem better and more appealing to the audience. The first 4 seasons made people feel more for him due to his addictive nature and his desire to never harm yet fail to do so on numerous occasions. After season 4 they basically gave him Damon situations to make him more hate worthy towards the end. You can legitimately feel the difference in character from the first 4 seasons compared to the last 4 seasons. And that’s because Plec is more about fan service than actual character development design for redefining a character. She has to massacre other characters in order to make her faves look better. Instead of just improving all characters without casualties to already established struggling hero designs turning into discount Tyler Lockwood douche bags.
That is all that happened. Don’t reply as I’ve seen your biased thoughts all over this comment section.
I hate all the “hero’s of TVD because they were all victims of Julia’s fucked version of tribulations, revelations, and interpersonal conflicts and growth. She fucked a great story for self gratification. Julia is the main issue for every character to exist. Don’t even get me started on her beef with the character Bonnie and any semi important black character in TVD Universe. She’s almost as fucked in the head as the show runner for PLL. Both are great at turning their greatest works into a pile of steaming horse shit.
They still could never make me hurt Caroline I don t care what she did
Caroline, they could never make me hate you ❤
idk bruh, what Tyler doesnt tell Matt in this scene is that Klaus only destroyed him in New Orleans cause Tyler tried to kill Hope when Hailey was still pregnant
Miranda 👍👍👍 this is different sifan ask me if I was going to birthday party I swear I didn't do it and I feel terrible what we are talking about it is clowns. When I made that song up I need you to tell me awful person I am awful people I know I am afraid of Tayor that you slept that you slept with client. Get out let me explain clowns killed thousand tables. Miranda and her aunt and she killed my mom I know and I am sorry just stop I walked out the last time no don't take a nose that Caroline I said leave. You are drunk that you didn't know she's she's growing crowns. That she crushed me. Sifan I like that tv show 👍👍 I miss watching that show 👍👍 👍👍👍 good 💯 vampire 🦇🖤🖤
Fall and love with. Sifan. Caroline this pregnant. With twins 2 baby girls 💗💗💗
I like that tv show 👍👍 miss watching that show 👍👍 vampire diaries ✴️✴️✴️❤❤❤
💙💙💙 🩷 Get married to sifan wife and husband together
Let the girls go. And take me instead. The twins went back to their mom girls I am so glad that you two are okay 👍👍 they have to stay in the hospital overnight. Just to keep them safe ❤❤
Sifan when is Saint Miranda 👍 at school. I am alive. Tell Caroline I love her sifan. ❤❤❤ Tell her to give Caroline a message and tell her I always will be there and I love her Miranda yes. Hey Riley told you to give me a message that he'll be walking over me. Yes 👍👍👍 Caroline. He always will be your husband. To walking over you he said goodbye 🫂 to his brother and gave his blood to him vampire diaries ✴️✴️✴️ now I am a human
He will say his friends again in one day. He will be with him. I like that show 👍👍 I miss watching that show 👍👍 on Hulu 👍👍 he's always been good to his friends
And care about them. To be with them. And this to be with his brother. Damon and got a beautiful girlfriend. Name Miranda 👍👍
Bonnie Jeremy. Asher Bonnie how does that I lost my best friend. There is no time
she turns into one
That next day she was logged into the cave anchor and raise the human blood. Start her hands into blood put it in her mouth. Damon was falling him I said to leave him alone. How to drink a bag of blood she cannot keep that down she feel much better now. You took somebody's ribbon 🎀 this is not your favorite color Caroline plant and tell sifan we might have a problem with Miranda 👍👍 I think she has been her. Her neck 🧣
Tyler broke up with her and then is mad when she isn't crying and worshipping him 😂
Rebekah hayley bonnie elena kathernie caroline are vampries. 🎉
i love stefan and caroline ❤️🥰 4:06
one of the moments I hated Stefan
xD I think it's sort of dumb to mad at Caroline for hooking up with Klaus, they had some sort of attraction/connection in the series after Klaus made Tyler bite her on her birthday. Then later on when given the choice to choose the woman he loves over revenge on Klaus he chose revenge(not that I disagree with this), but they were over and everyone on the show sort of hooks up with someone they shouldn't.
Here's the thing, Tyler was a bad boyfriend and an okayish friend to begin with: he was dating Vicky who had no control versus Caroline who has too much and failed them both. Not saying he's a bad person, but a hook up in the woods with one of many people who have killed loved ones off doesn't deserve Caroline to be hated on(despite being immortal she had her human moments too).
It does make me wonder though since Tyler went to NO to take revenge on Klaus, failed and left/was allowed to leave and spoiler: Klaus dies in the spinoff with his brother while Tyler is killed by Damon under a siren's control making it all seem redundant, no one got any revenge, not for the mayor or Jenna or anyone else that Klaus killed(it is an entire list, teenagers included).
Besides Caroline's not the only one Klaus has slept with(Like Hayley who is ironically my favorite TO character, and how she tricked Tyler for her own cause leading to the x-mas slaughter and the mayor's death..) But eventually everything got back to normal(because there's always some crisis on the show, mostly around Elena, but always a bigger problem and bigger enemy). This was good drama though.
It's not dumb to be mad at Caroline, she slept with the person that killed his mother. If Tyler slept with someone who killed Sheriff Forbes, everyone would have had an issue with him. Tyler only wanted revenge against Klaus because he literally made Tyler his slave, how can Stefan be justified in wanting revenge against Klaus for the very same thing except in Tyler's case Klaus did much worse to him. Not only that, but Klaus literally tried to kill Caroline three times: he wanted to sacrifice her for the spell in season 2 but then chose Jenna, he made Tyler bite her and he stabbed her with a wooden pole then bit her and even after Tyler begged him to save Caroline and offered to be his slave, Klaus still refused multiple times. He only saved her at the 11th hour. Klaus's actions were way worse than Tyler's ever was yet it gets excused because he's more handsome and charming. Klaus hurt Caroline more, he killed Elena's aunt, he killed Elena then smacked her and tried to kill her again, he killed Tyler, he almost killed Jeremy... I could go on and on. Tyler was 100% right here. Yes, he did bad things in the past but literally all of them did so to act like his bad actions means Caroline is justified - when it has nothing to do with this confrontation - is wild.
@@buttercup654 No one is calling it justified xD everyone on the show has slept with someone who's killed many people, just because those people weren't the main characters family members doesn't change anything. It's hypocritical.
@@emberskelly4524 It's not hypocritical. Yes, everyone's slept with everyone or people who've done bad but if your recent ex's parent was killed by someone you choose to sleep with, that's not ok at all. It's about the principle. There's a huge difference between everyone just sleeping together and sleeping with an enemy. Not only that, but Klaus literally made Tyler a slave. Elena was wrong for sleeping with Damon knowing what he did to her brother and to Caroline. It's one thing to sleep with someone your ex or friend happens to have bad blood with, it's another thing to sleep with someone who kills your family. If Rebekah was killed by someone and let's say Marcel slept with that person, everyone would see how wrong that is. Again, sleeping with each other's exes or just generally sleeping around is one thing but sleeping with someone who killed your ex's parent not too long ago - when your ex was enslaved by that person and has to be on the run from them - is painfully wrong. If Tyler slept with someone who killed Sheriff Forbed right after he and Caroline broke up, most people defending Caroline right now would absolutely hate him. So, you can have your opinion but it's not as simple as "everyone sleeps around," it's a matter of principle and context.
@@buttercup654 It's hypocritical xD and nothing you type is going to sway me. If you can't find the hypocrisy in this, then maybe you're a bit bias when it comes to certain characters in this fictional show.
@@emberskelly4524 I literally said "You can have your opinion" I have zero interest in swaying you at all and I don't have any biases towards any character, hence I also made examples using Elena. There's not a single point I've made that can be called biased because I'm not defending anyone for anything yet calling out other characters for the same thing nor am I making anyone a martyr. I'm also very much aware that we're talking about fictional characters. My comment was about how your reasoning is oversimplified because the point of any TV show, movie, book, play, etc. is to have conflict and to simply state "Well, everyone's slept with everyone" or "Everyone's slept with someone who killed someone" leans into an idea that no one can actually be angry at anyone for anything because they all do bad at some point. To me, that makes no sense. You can think it's hypocritical all you want to but there are clear principles to suggest it isn't. Whether we see things the same way means nothing.
i still love klaroline idc
And if I said my favorite tvd character is Caroline 🌚
Dare I binge a 4th time?
tyler should've killed stefan then and there
Caroline almost died three times because of Tyler, and one of those times, she was kidnapped/held hostage/brutally tortured by Tyler's friends. She had to beg him to set her free so that they wouldn't get the chance to kill her. What kind of friend sits back and lets you get tortured and then tries to play the victim after the fact. Yes, I was pissed that Klaus killed his mom. Even though It wasn't unprovoked. I've always disliked Tyler because he always disrespected/mistreated his romantic partners & friends epecially Caroline. Caroline was constantly getting her heart stomped on by her boyfriends and friends. So, of course, she jumped at the chance to feel Klaus's affection. He loved her way more than her own friends and other past boyfriends ever did. Caroline and Klaus should've ended up together because the way they always brought out the best in each other would've worked in their favor.
Caroline almost died three times because of Klaus. He was going to use her as the vampire sacrifice then chose Jenna instead, he made Tyler bite Caroline using the sire bond and then he stabbed her with a wooden pole and then bit her. Tyler begged Klaus to save her life and even offered to be his slave again, how many times did Klaus say no to saving Caroline? He only saved her once he saw she was really going to die but he literally tried to kill her three times so acting like Tyler got her into trouble besides the one time he bit her is wild. And again, he only bit her because of the sire bond whereas Klaus bit her on purpose and stabbed her before it. Klaus's actions towards her were worse than Tyler's.
None of what you said was Tyler's fault directly :D Klaus did WAY more horrible things, not only to Caroline but in general and Tyler is the awful one? :D Yes their relationship did not worked out but sometimes they don't and in Tyler's defense he really had a good reason (guy was going through very hard time) and maybe he doesn't know how to deal with it any other way? And for Caroline - well if not Tyler, then she jumps on another guys :D
I just feel like Tyler is a fucking hypocrite he chose revenge over Caroline and when liv did in season 6 he broke up with her because of it like he’s stupid
bc he learned from his mistake ?
Oh welll they be aite
simmer down Tyler, just cuz someone put more kibble in his bowl, now the little puppy thinks he's about that action and some shit.
And I still liked Caroline after this. She was my favorite on the show. I never cared for Tyler.... like at all, even with him and Liv, both of them were insufferable and arrogant. With that being said, in this situation, Caroline was 100% wrong in this situation and should've broken up with tyler! Tyler was still an asshole to Caroline during their entire relationship, but she still should've broken things off. Hell, I considered him walking out that last time was the official break up, but then Rebekah's messy ass sends him back packing after that ass whoppin Klaus gave him after stopping Elijah from probably ending his tedious brief little life (it wouldve been short, but we have to blame plot). , Caroline had that guilty look on her face, and from then I knew Tyler would've found out. Everyone on this show was either a narcissist, sociopath, pyschopath, murderer, adulterous, or all of the above and everybody was fucking everybody. I'm still surprised that this show lasted 8 seasons because I stopped watching it. Maybe it had something to do with Zach's Roerig's holier than thou character surviving the entire 8 seasons, I don't know lmfaoooooooooooo.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For everyone calling Caroline a hypocrite, she’s not. Tyler walked out on her when she made it perfectly clear they’d never get back together if he did, meaning she’s allowed to sleep with whoever she wants and he can’t blame or judge her for it. She didn’t want to leave Tyler here when he’s so emotional because she wants to help him, but he’s too upset to let her. She didn’t deserve to be treated like a bad person because she slept with Klaus, especially not by the guy who left her. And yes, it did genuinely look like he was about to attack her, that’s why Stefan stepped in
Edit: also, Tyler doesn’t get to act all high and mighty when he tried to kill an unborn baby simply because of who her father is. I don’t care what the father did or is, the baby is innocent and doesn’t deserve to die
It’s not about her sleeping with someone else. It’s about that someone else being Klaus of all ppl.
Had she slept with a normal person, or even a stranger fine. But she slept with Klaus, the biggest villain who ruined the lives of Katherine, Stefan, Elena, Tyler & more.
She didn’t just betray Tyler, she betrayed Elena too.
@@exoticsamba492 and yet Elena wouldn’t care or call her a bad person, even Katherine said she wasn’t a bad person. The only one who shamed her for it was Tyler, and he had no right to do that when he walked out on her for petty revenge
@@deadpooldan9862
Elena is dating Damon, yet another villain.
Katherine has become a villain herself because of what Klaus put her through.
Tyler had every right to get mad. You’re excusing her terrible behavior instead of holding her accountable. I love Caroline too, but I don’t condone her bad choices.
Just like I didn’t condone it when Tyler left her for revenge. It goes both ways.
@@exoticsamba492 I’m not condoning her bad choices, but sleeping with Klaus was neither good nor bad, only she has the right to decide that. Elena fell for Damon despite knowing exactly what and who he is, and he changed because of that love. Katherine never changed because she didn’t care about anyone but herself. Tyler has every right to be upset and mad, but absolutely no right to judge and shame Caroline
@@deadpooldan9862
Elena was wrong for choosing Damon tho. Same way, Caroline was wrong for sleeping with Klaus. So Tyler had every right to judge and shame her.
Actions have consequences.
Um…didn’t Klaus kill his mom because Tyler was delusional on a pack Alpha power trip and tried to kill Klaus after Klaus warned him not to try some BS. His mom’s death and the hybrids were as much Tyler’s fault as Klaus’s, Tyler set the events in motion by becoming power hungry. besides Elena (in misguided attempts to protect people) and Damon (most of that was because of his obsession with Katherine or rejections from Elena) , Tyler has put everyone in their friend group at risk the most. The difference is that the carnage he puts in motion is because of his revenge fantasies or his wanting to lead. Tyler chose revenge over Caroline (and has put her in danger multiple times. He need to take several seats.
Tyler wanted revenge against Klaus because he killed him and made him a slave, not because of some fantasy or because he wanted to be the alpha. In fact, Hayley was the one who pushed the whole alpha thing onto Tyler. And none of that justifies Caroline sleeping with the man that killed Tyler's mother. Tyler only wanted to be free from Klaus, just like Stefan did yet no one judged Stefan for wanting revenge against Klaus for having him turn off his humanity and go on the road trip and make hybrids. Tyler was 100% right in this situation. Exactly when and how did Tyler put everyone in danger the most? All of the characters have stepped up against Klaus multiple times, Tyler only had one plan that was orchestrated with Hayley. Tyler didn't want to be enslaved anymore, which is a great reason to go against Klaus. He also didn't put Caroline in any danger besides when he bit her but that was because of the sire bond when Klaus made him do it. Every other time was other people who wanted to strong-arm him using Caroline. He's literally never put Caroline in danger any other time. Also, Klaus literally tried to kill Caroline three times: he was going to use her as the vampire sacrifice then chose Jenna instead, he made Tyler bite Caroline using the sire bond and then he stabbed her with a wooden pole and then bit her. Tyler begged Klaus to save her life and even offered to be his slave again yet Klaus said no to saving Caroline multiple times. He only saved her once he saw she was really going to die but he literally tried to kill her three times so acting like Tyler got her into trouble besides the one time he bit her is wild. And again, he only bit her because of the sire bond whereas Klaus bit her on purpose and stabbed her before it. Most of the characters in the show acted way worse than Tyler but their actions get excused. Damon, Stefan, Katherine, Klaus and the other Mikaelsons did stuff that were way worse than Tyler.
Wow, trying to make this all Tyler's fault is just crazy...