Railfan Harassment!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2020
- I was minding my own business chasing trains on the UPRR Cuero Subdivision with my boy on May 17, 2020. We stopped at the crossing on Old Cuero Road near Yoakum, Texas to get a south bound coal train passing the defect detector at MP 68.8, as I have done many times before in the past. After standing out in the heat with my boy for about 30 minutes or so, I decided to park in a nice shady spot on the side of the road. While setting up my camera in the bed of my truck, to shoot over top of any vehicles that might obstruct a ground level shot, I was approached by the residents of the house that I had parked nearest. As my camera will show at the end of the video, I wasn't on thier property, and I never filmed thier residence or their persons, except the wife (who looked more like a wet dog than a lady) who was at the time standing on public property and had no reasonable expectation of privacy. This is EVERY second of footage I filmed at this location on this date, and other than the addition of the intro and subtitles, it has NOT been altered in any other way. No footage was left out, except for the last 20-30 seconds of the encounter (which wasn't filmed), when thier big ass dog walked away from my truck and I saw an opening to break down my camera and try for a different location with less stupid ass motherfuckers present. Was I in the wrong? The local sheriff's office doesn't think so, and neither do I.
Side note: I don't recommend you conduct yourself in this manner when out railfanning and approached by unreasonable persons, but if you do MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT!
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I’m a conductor and I love rail fans, I always try to wave if I see them in time.
I’ve heard alot of guys in the industry like Engineers and Conductors don’t usually like rail fans that much. Glad to hear you enjoy these type of people
Yesss i always wonder if you see us , once i get my tripod going ill be waving more often lol
@@TheRealGoopyGoop sometimes we see you guys out there.
@Mystic Ren I don't think anyone dislikes railfans, except when they interfere with operations. Back in the 80' we called them FRN's (Fuc*ing Railroad Nuts). This was around Chicago, again in the early 80's.
@@visteobman4085 i personally haven’t had one interfere while doing my job. Most have enough knowledge of trains to keep a safe distance. You do however see some that needs to learn a little more about safety.
Engaged in a constitutionally protected activity. You sir just made my day!
Agree. If only that could be more readily understood. We've got plenty of lawyers in government, if only there were more in uniform, intelligent ones, that is!
The fact that he arrived equipped with that spiel indicates to me that he did arrive with an attitude. His spiiel may have struck a nerve. You should always use natural language until absoluely necessary, perhaps with LE. Being in the right doesn't mean you have to hit people over the head with it.
That's so American, over here we just say, why would you care, even if it is technically illegal.
@@markevan1 No the fact that he "arrived with that spiel" means he's been harassed before, doesn't have time for their shit.
@@consentofthegoverned5145 Foamers are invariably looking for confrontations.
This reminds me of the Karen met while Railfanning at the local public Amtrak station. And this KAREN said it was private property. Cops were called and she was told to leave. One of my best Railfanning trips ever.
Actually, I have the opposite problem. I live in a condo and have been told by someone going door to door, which is illegal, claiming the roads on the condo property were public!
Meth lot lizards. She probably a bum and trying to live there.
When did "railfan" become a brand name?
@@HelloKittyFanMan What do you mean?
@@TheUnflushedToilet: Whom was I asking?
The Karen's natural habitat usually consists of retail stores and fast food places. They can stealthy appear out of nowhere hunting their prey. However, in other public places there are no managers to prey upon. This and the result of wondering out of their natural habitat leads to confusion and they become hyper aware of their surroundings. One theory is that it triggers a hormonal reaction and they become aggressive. Researchers have been experimenting with decoys such as inflatable fast food restaurants that can be placed at a safe distance from everyone else to lure them away but it's still in early development. If you're in a park, it is recommended you set up a decoy barbecue at least 100 yards away to distract them. Tune in to the Discovery Channel this weekend for a special hosted by David Attenborough.
HAHAHA
Toss > donuts
They are relocating
This comment just made my whole day! Thank you! Hahaha
🤣🤣🤣🤣
She actually got out of the pool to make an ass of herself. Way to go Karen...
No joke if you have time to whine and complain go clean up trash or something don't be a burden on people having a good day for real.
That's their job.
They literally have nothing better to do. Some people just like to be jerks for no reason. If I were in this situation, I would have just stayed quiet and then answered their questions after.
After nearly 10 years of law enforcement/corrections, my tolerance for stupidity is nonexistent. They got the nicest response from me that they were going to get, and that's only because my son was in the truck with me.
@@TexasSpecial91 did you wave back to the engineer?
Imagine their reactions when the Google Street View car comes down their road. Nice touch making her the "star" at the end. I now carry a 360 camera with me for such encounters.
sadly it doesnt - there is zero Street View data. I found the location.
I’ve had that happen a dozen times over the past 40 years. I just ignore them completely.
With hand on pistol just incase.
Actually, I believe the property line would be just outside the fence. The ditch would normally be entirely on the road allowance.
Exactly!
This is why I try to pick spots that aren’t near anyone’s house. Still doesn’t work sometimes. Can’t really do much of anything anywhere anymore without someone harassing you.
At least that train had a friendly engineer there to help lighten the mood somewhat!
Don’t ever let someone else deny you your God given rights. I went back several times after this incident, and sat in the SAME exact spot without further issues. Even waved politely to these fuckers with a cheerful smile.
Bullies always back down when they know you won’t be pushed around.
This happened to me while I was railfanning on public property. She tried to intimidate me to make me leave. I just stood my ground.
She should never go out in public looking like that.
She shouldn't go out in public unsupervised by a rational adult.
So relatable! I have been yelled at by Karens with railroad workers right next to me. You know Eric that ill move if a rail worker asks me to. The Karen was telling me that the RR worker was wrong and that I had no right to film. I said the exact same thing that you did. Crazy how people like to be idiots
It takes all kind of people to make this world. You were right all the way .
Was there again just today. Didn't say a damn thing to me. I just smiled and waved....with all five fingers no less.
@@TexasSpecial91 you video the train on public land so the Karen had no right to stop you videoing the train the problem is Karen's think they own everything and Karen's think they own the public locations.
I had an encounter with a sheriff's deputy in the early 1980s when I pulled off the highway to wait for a train coming down from Donner Summit in the Sierra Nevada range of California. He pulled in behind me, got out of his car and immediately asked me what I was doing. I told him I was waiting for a train. Long silence. The then asked me if I had a gun. I told him yes, in my car. Long silence. Confused by straight-up honesty, not knowing what to say next, he then told me if he caught me shooting at any of the insulators on the telephone poles, he'd arrest me. Then he stomped off to his patrol car, got in and drove away.
First, in all states, it is illegal to stop on the side of a highway unless you are broken down. That would be why he stopped. As for the gun issue, they were probably having problems with someone shooting the insulators on the power lines. I knew a few idiots when I was young that thought it was a fun thing to do. And for the long silence, he was probably trying to figure out why any person would stop to watch a train go by.
@@mopar_dude9227 people can stop wherever the hell they want
@@chuck3042 Wrong! Donner Summit is on Interstate 80, It is illegal to stop, pull over, park or stand on a controlled access highway including on/off ramps, except in an emergency. If he was off the ramp and parked along a city/county road, that is an entirely different issue.
@@mopar_dude9227 In all states it's illegal to stop on the side of INTERSTATE highways without a reason. Back roads probably have different laws depending on the state, but it looked OK to me as there was no sign posted.
Wow, we found the Karen gang right here on this comment didn't we?
When i'm out railfaning, there's people sometimes watching me and they don't freak out when i'm (NEXT) to their property.
People got nothing better to do man this is freaking crazy
She thinks that you are filming her? Or, they actually have something to hide? You never know what people are going through, or up too, just be careful. There are alot of loons out there
Classic Karen, 😃the worst that has happened to me while RAILFANING was some guy walked up ( with my camera on a tripod pointing down the track) he said you filming trains? Then when the train came he started talking. I live in a house next to an entrance to bike / hiking trail. people walking down the street past my house always short cut across the top corner of my side yard to get to the trail. I do not mind in the least.
Good job, Karen. You just made a TH-cam hit.
What a hateful spiteful creature.I almost suspect some illegal activity is going on in that house. No wonder they don't like people with a camera hanging atound.
Man I'd be livid. I've delt with a lot of people with this same weird mentality (even railroaders that were clearly breaking a lot of FRA rules whilst accusing me of doing something against the law).
Had that happen too. They were met with a polite but firm call the cops or go back to fucking work.
I personally have dealt with a Karen when I was railfanning in Encinitas and I have to say that they shouldn’t even try messing with railfans! People like us love trains and other things around are not what we’re aiming for filming.
They aren’t social distancing, Wtf?
A friend of mine was trying to catch the rail grinder and pulled off of the road to catch it, only two of his wheels were on this crazy woman's property by the way, and when the train came by she was chewing him out like there was no tomorrow. This woman also stated she didn't like the sound of the horn WHILE LIVING right beside a rail line.
It is your first admendent right to film trains and take pictures
Proper response: "Sir (or Ma'am as the case may be), if you have a problem with what I'm doing, call the police. I'll wait. If you continue to harass me, I'M going to call the police to press charges against you for harassment." SAY NO MORE AFTER THAT! Call the police IMMEDIATELY and ask for an officer on scene for a civil disturbance.
By the way, I live within two miles of that crossing.
Are you a fellow railfan by chance?
Don’t bring the cops into lame shit like this. Just don’t be a ass hat when someone ask what you are doing. This guy started off with an attitude by not answering a simple question. Most any person would confront a person filming right along their property, especially if they have kids. If he would have just explained that he is a loser that likes filming trains, they would have probably laughed and walked away.
@@mopar_dude9227 The only loser here is you, must be a pretty sad existence if you have nothing better to do than harass railfans.
@@mopar_dude9227 you sound like a true dick
@@mopar_dude9227 If you are going to harass people, it helps to be sure that the law is on your side. In this case, it was not. The Mom in he video was wrong.
Sadly, there are railfans (probably less than 10% )who disregard so much when railfanning. I saw a teenager once while watching a live stream, use a FLASHLIGHT to add lighting and shined it on the cab as they went by. I eventually called the cops in that area (they thought I was kidding, seeing I'm 250 miles away from the location but showed up and actually did something!) . I try to always be courteous, not be in a place to concern the crew, or be rude to anyone, and have even asked before if I was OK where i was.. I'm sorry you had to go through this but good on you for showing the do and don'ts! Keep up the good work on your vids! Even though i dont like UP, i LOVE Texas and am now a subscriber (and hopefully next year...a fellow Texan)
Keep safe and keep making great videos!
I respect property rights, and never film into someone’s property without permission. I will not held anymore responsibility for someone else’s emotional triggers than I expect others to be responsible for mine (in other words we live in a free country, if I, or anyone else isn’t doing anything illegal and you don’t like it, put on your big boy/girl pants and go away or get over it.)
That being said, thanks for the support. I hope that you continue to enjoy the content. We’d be happy to have you here in the Great State of Texas!
@@TexasSpecial91 well said and thank you for the welcome when we get there! Its honestly one of the few places on earth I fell in love with instantly, and people who generally share the same good Christian values and patriotism we always have. There are crazies everywhere, but again, good for you for handling it and moving on!
Wow...then you would call the cops on me...I use LED panels for my night videos
Wow... you're an idiot. You think it's illegal to shine a flashlight on a train? God help us.
So sad to call cops like that
Karen is defending the fancy grass of the ditch in the right of way.
I had a situation one time and I was standing on the city side walk and he claimed I steped on his property
Maybe That woman acts like a south pole elf
3:53 it was this moment that he knew, hes gonna be harrassed by a karen
I don’t get it. Why do they care if people take pictures of a train ?
America is a nation of self-important, se;f-appointed busybodies.
They have nothing better to do with their miserable lives
If her daughter is as attractive as her, you ought to be arrested for cruelty to camera lens's.
let's add a few, cruelty to locomotives, coal cars, the FRED.......
I used to live by BNSF's Fallbridge subdivision in Washougal, WA. One night, I was taking photos of a BN train at the 6th street crossing in Washougal. After the train passed, I got confronted by two women who had a young girl with them. One of the women asked me if I was taking pictures of the train. I said yes, and the women walked away. But they came back and started doing things like pretending to take photos of me and my little pickup that I was sitting in. They pretended to write my license plate number down, and just generally acted like I'd done something wrong. Kept watching me. I didn't understand why they were doing that, but I eventually got it off my mind. It was later when I got the photos back, and I saw that they were in the pictures with the train in the background. A few weeks later, I found out that the house I'd been parked next to had been used for a meth lab. These women must have thought I was with the police, or a neighborhood watch and was taking photos to turn them into the police. Stupid. I'd never seen these women before in my life, did not know anything about them or that house. But, honestly, they would not have had to worry about my being there taking train photos if they had not been doing things that are illegal.
I really feel bad for you man, that woman is a jerk 🤦🏼♂️
Oh she's seen alot of me ever since. I make it a point to go to that spot every chance I get.
@@mopar_dude9227 why because he wants to be in te shade?
@@mopar_dude9227 How do you know his prick is real !!!
the guy was a bit of a dick too ..
HAHAHA! This video combines two of my favorite things! Constitutional auditing and watching trains!!!
Very cool that the Engineer was waving.
I think people enjoy that others might be intersted in their work, as long as they don't interfere, like for instance ignore safety protocols or something.
What antenna do you have on your scanner?
The stock antenna.
Damn Karens
I now refer to that specific crossing as Karen Crossing.
@@TexasSpecial91 lol Karen crossing
@@TexasSpecial91 haha
@@TexasSpecial91 I wonder if that defect detector works on her?
Well done friend. I'm glad you know the law. I'm a copwatcher and it absolutely pays to know the law. You sir, handled that like a BOSS! Love your content brother, keep em comin'! Much love and respect from Cali...🤮Cali...😂🤷🏽
I'm glad she had some clothes on underneath that towel. What a slapper
I had a some old dude in ste Genevieve claimed to be a “former police officer” and he told me and my brother to get the f**k off of his property, we were standing across the road from his house and the car was parked somewhere completely elsewhere, my little brother started crying because the old man told us it was illegal to stand less than 20 feet from the tracks, he must have had some whisky good lord I will live to see this jacka$$ again and give him a taste of his own medicine
Correction it's actually 15ft
Wrong its 30 ft
@@rc391995 ok well then he was wrong 😂
@@ditchpatcher doesn’t it depend on the RR?
I can't go trackside where I live in Brownwood and having to deal with noisy people asking what I'm doing by the tracks and having to ignore everyone nowadays cause of the people where I'm at.
Geez. Some dude procreated with that creature? Don't drink or do drugs, kids!
a gov't bigfoot experiment gone wrong.
Good to know you stood your ground (and the cops sided with you) and as a result, didn't have to give up your spot. Unfortunately I hate confrontation so much that I've just limited myself to using parking lots and even then I start feeling anxious and self-aware if I haven't moved in 30 min or longer. Luckily the place I railfan the most has several large public parking lots and plenty of street parking, all right by the tracks. Regardless, this part of the hobby gets so exhausting
I don’t know what the big deal is videotaping trains I’ve done it for as long as I can remember. I can see if a person was in harms way but it’s not the case
What town is this near I’ve been trying to catch some trains on the Cuero sub for awhile, you should check out West Point,Tx if you haven’t already, it’s a great active place with three different Subdivisions!
He’s been to West Point before. It’s a good spot.
I wear a helmet and reflective vest. Blinky yellow light on top of the truck sometimes. And then just ignore them.
The road is public access from center to 33 feet out from center of the road.
I am actually going to have to print a paper description why I am filming, just incase if someone ask me why I am filming. I am sensitive about my voice/face being exposed on the internet.
Your description of the wife got my sub 🤣🤣
Freedom of speech freedom of the press
I'm surprised Karen didn't ask to speak to the manager.
I encountered a very angry motorist while filming a train going through a PUBLIC railroad crossing today! He chose to think that I was taking pictures of him rather than the train directly in front of me! He tried giving chase afterwards, but fortunately I was able to make the getaway when he wasn't able to U-turn for 1/4 mi down the road and had to wait for oncoming traffic! I think he also called the cops on me b/c he was pulling his phone out while passing me, but I don't care. I was on a public sidewalk!
When I first moved here (Frankfort, IN)
back in 1999, I was a frequent visitor to
the local yard, even at night. I no longer
go around there for personal reasons,
some of it to do with not wanting to use
up too much valuable gas; but in my
first several years here, the police almost always showed up to question
me about what I was doing and was asked to move along by them. I was just watching them switch cars or
watching an arriving or departing train;
didn’t even have a camera! Most, if not
all, of my train watching is now on you-
tube!
I’ve been told several times by ignorant people to take a hike, each was handled the exact same. Prove I’m doing something illegal or kick rocks.
Remember, a right not flexed is a right lost.
I know there are "whistle signs" but the engineer of that locomotive was horn happy. ...and it was cool to hear the blast of those Nelson's !
Hope someone will answer this because I have no idea what is going on here?someone please answer
I pulled over on the side of the road next to their property, but on the public right of way. I set up my camera and tripod in the bed of my truck to film a train passing with a relatively rare locomotive leading. My camera and tripod in the truck was tall enough to see over their fence, and I guess that triggered them. However my camera was pointing at the tracks to film the train and I had no interest in whatever they had going on. They came out and asked me what I was doing and who I worked for and why I was filming trains. They told me to get off their property and I never was on their property. Then they tried calling me a pervert because I guess they were swimming. I had no clue what they were doing or what their problem was ,but the deputy sheriff that took their complaint told them that I hadn’t done anything illegal, I wasn’t on their property, and I could film whatever I want to include them (won’t ever happen) from private property. If I was ever harassed by them again, they would go to jail for disorderly conduct.
Holy Karen!!!
Know your rights and be polite. The rest is on them...
At least the friendly engineer made it worth it
I always get " HEY ! what are you filming ???"
What the southern pacific did they say
Looks like a great spot, need a railfan meet up there now 😂
WHAT IS THIS LOCATION?
WITH WINTER IN KANSAS I MAY SOME WINTER DAY COME SOUTH FOR A FEW DAYS!!
Just south of Yoakum, Texas
@@TexasSpecial91 HAMPLE RD??
@@rossbryan6102 Boyd Road I think.
Woman was definitely a stereotypycal Karen.
Texas Special, you're right, I have to admit though, it was amusing to see your inner railfan lawyer come out reference property lines and privacy laws
Dealin with a karen lol
Literally had this experience once but at TVRM While try to get a shot of 4501 but then they start complaining about the shirt I’m wearing that’s apparently too offensive to people
Need an army of people to go there, park on the road shoulder, take films & photos. Let Karen scream at them all.
I'm a recently retired loco engineer (driver) here in Australia and I use to wave and toot railfans every time I drove past them and the majority of my colleagues still do
just after the 2 min mark were that a gun being shot? if so time for the police to get involved.
No gun was involved, if there was, I’d have been shooting back with mine. And yes, the cops did get called, and the Karen’s didn’t get their way.
I feel sorry for that dog 😢
omg bro I'm so glad this hasn't happened to me, sorry man. At least you got a laugh and 61K views out of it!
Sad when people have nothing better to do with their time, but infringe it on others who are minding their own business.
I feel sad for the daughter, who has to be raised by her, it's not going to go well.
You could get closer than that depending on your shot.
I had my boy with me on this chase and the location before this, we’d spent about 45 minutes in the sun waiting for the train to pass. Where we were parked in the video, we were under the shade of a tree. That’s why I parked on that side of the road
Surprising. Most cops are pretty ignorant about where property lines are and how easements affect them.
ur not the only one, when i go to anahiem people pull over because they think were going to commit suicide
lmao the same shit happened to me in Romania, except that i was at a railway station and someone who pretended to be a ”security guard” (even tho he didnt legitimize himself in front of me) told me im not allowed to film the station cause its ”state owned property”. and to add to the ridiculousness, the stationmaster sided with this dubious person and even wanted to talk to my dad on the phone.
so really, i feel the pain. it would be the cherry on the cake if someone unironically told me ”why cant you enjoy this hobby from home?”.
Now this is a wild karen found rare in sticks 🤣🤣
must have a boring life......
@@rearspeaker6364 wtf that mean your an !d!0t
Jeeeez!!! What is going on with all these confrontations!?? And this is also in Texas? WOW!!!! Just…wow. I can clearly see how angry that lady was at the end of this video.
Yoakum, Texas
Great video!
Great sounding K5LLA!
I treat others how they treat me. I was laughed at whilst filming trains at King's Langley, and they got the response "you're not perfect are you!?'. They soon stopped laughing. Train enthusiasts do no harm to anyone.
It's sad that her uninvited voice and rant is heard over that of the scanner chatter...
Come to Altoona, PA
We are a train and railfan friendly town!
Goodness me, I hate when people are like that. I’ve never experienced it myself, but I know what situations like these are ridiculous as seen here. Railfans are just minding they own business enjoying documenting trains, and people come to disturb them for whatever dumbass reason like this. As you stated, as long as the railfan KNOWS they’re in the right, they’re ok.
I'm a railfan too if I experience something like that I will call the cops as well because what she's doing is harassment.
at :07 seconds, your locomotive is supposed to catch fire too.
He is the one with an attitude!
Who did the cops side with
Me
@@TexasSpecial91 good! I thought you were being sarcastix
isnt it easier to just say, "im filming trains because i like them! I even havea youtube channel, check it out :)" then being all sassy and protective? the dude was just curious...
That crazy lady ruined some perfectly good audio. You were in the right clearly, because you were on public property. Don't think that there are laws stating that you cannot film on public property. Unless of course someone asks not to be recorded, which clearly this Karen did not want. However, in the state of New Hampshire (where I live) you have the right to record someone without consent if you feel threatened. But seeing as this video was posted, the police probably didn't care, and realized that you were all set
If you’re on public property and you can see it with your eyes, in these United States we live in, you can also video it, no matter what anybody says. You don’t need their permission to video them if they’re in a public area. If they mess with you, have them arrested for assault.
Never seen cross bucks with a "yield" sign. It's funny, when you think about it.
8667 got treated to the new paint. caught it the other day
Lady got out of the shower for that 🤣😭
poor shower...........
What is it with these people that can't mind their own business? I'd have done exactly the same with that Karen and told her to F off and mind her own business. The police should charge her with disturbing the peace and for harassing that man.
No footage was left out," Yeah, except everything leading up to the encounter.
You mean like filming myself setting up my tripod in the bed of my truck? Or when I pulled up and parked my truck? Nothings been left out. This was literally the entire exchange, bro….sometimes the shit goes sideways THAT fast?
I would've waited for the train to get closer before you hit record.
You could have went to the crossing and stand by the tracks without getting harassed