They were dazzled by celebrity (like many of the ppl posting here). And many of the same people calling these guys liars would have allowed their own kids to go hang out with a predator like Jackson.
The families, like many people, bought into Michael Jackson's act, that he was this innocent, fragile spirit who couldn't hurt a fly. It was a perfect cover and it helped convince the world that he was worthy of trust when the opposite was true. And he was a wealthy and powerful celebrity. As proven on this comments thread, people are too easily starstruck and they buy into celebrity personas too easily and that's why these celebrities get away with doing terrible things. So I don't blame the families for believing in Michael's Jackson's innocence and trusting their children with him. The rest of the world believed it too. That's abundantly clear from all the people who still defend Jackson despite all the people who've come forward with accounts of his predatory behavior.
@@roseburton3275 just because he's dead doesn't mean he wasn't a pedophile. There's plenty of dead child molesters. His victims however are still alive ( not counting the two dads that commited suicide.)
James father doesn't believe him and has always defended Michael. Wade's father was molested himself and killed himself after losing battle with mental health issues. In a franch program in which the directeur of the documentary was debating a panel of pro Michael Jackson people a psychiatrist touched on that the father might have molested Wade and is accusing instead Michael Jackson for financial gain. Wade hated his father and they did touched on that in the documentary
MEN say they are rightfully in charge, so MEN get the responsibility and the blame. That's how BEING IN CHARGE WORKS, dudes. Might wanna rethink your angle. :)
Joy Robson stalked Michael Jackson. And James' Mom claims to have danced a jig when she found out Michael died. But James didn't tell anyone he was "molested" until 2013. And Jackson died in 09'...🤔 That would mean she thought Mike was a sexual deviant all along, yet she still let James hang around MJ.
Just because you dont want something to be true about this pop idol (who im a fan of) doesn't mean it isnt. Why am I the only one who understands someone can produce great works of art...and still be sick in the head
He went with them!!! WADE LIED! HIS OWN MOTHER'S SAID IN HER TESTIMONY IN 1993 THAT HE WENT WITH THEM !! Grand Canyon is a lie! And train station abuse is a lie and if I'm gonna write all their lies I will write a who damn essay! Leaving Neverland is ALL A BIG LIE!
@@trustgod3868 Sir or Ma'am, have you ever heard of 'grooming' ... or do you know child abuse works on the minds of the children, even as adults? Some NEVER admit it but it does not mean it did not happen. Grow up!
@@TerryReedMiss Dear Ma'am the room James Safechuck describes didn't even exist! how can he be abused in a room that did NOT exist? And Wade was with his family in Grand Canyon he did NOT stay with Michael ! And you're old but you believe words instead of facts, proofs receipts and you tell me to grow up because I give out facts and proofs and spread the truth?...In that case thank God that FBI, Police and Court didn't grow up and still need PROOFS, FACTS AND RECEIPTS! OH AND MICHAEL WAS AND IS PROVEN INNOCENT
"The media is the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the mind's of the masses." Malcolm X
Some people cannot be shaken from their beliefs, and perhaps that is THEIR past not allowing them. It's just too hurtful to be so betrayed for some people. Some of us expect it! Or, have it in our experience that 'big names' are just that --- they are not the private person, only a label. Manipulative people usually are NOT bad people! But when a manipulative person IS up to no good, they have a better chance of getting away with it - big name or not, but especially if they're perceived as celebrities or leaders. When they fall down, and hopefully most do quickly, it an taken a while but eventually, all that will be left is reputation and in his case, some old songs. Cool old songs and a NASTY rep.
@@dangerousgirl44 Um..that's not at all true. You're projecting. I believe that 99% of his die hard, rabid fans believe he's innocent, but that's about it.
I was five years old when I was sexually abused. And I was scared to death. I remember my heart racing really fast and staring at the door hoping that my brother or mother would come looking for me. They never did. For years, I said nothing, and I felt so much guilt. I truly believed that I had done something wrong and that if I said anything I was going to get into trouble. I also believed that he was going to be mad at me and try to hurt me. When I finally got up the nerve to say something, only one relative believed me. The rest of them called me a liar or didn’t say anything at all, which was just as hurtful. To this day, according to most of my family, whatever I say is a lie. If I said the sky was blue, they’d swear it was green. And my abuser, he never had to pay for what he did. He has kids and he’s living his version of happiness probably without a simple thought of me. I actually wonder about that sometimes, if he thinks of me and if he’s sorry. I imagine he’s not because he’s never had to answer for what he did all those years ago. He got away with it. Meanwhile, I’m still dealing with what he did. I’ve been dealing with it since I was five and nobody cares how hard that’s been. There are moments where I don’t think about it and for the most part I’m okay. And then out of nowhere, it’s like a train wreck. I feel scared and guilty, and desperately want for someone to come and save me. As a teen I self harmed with a razor blade and when the school found out and told my family they did not care. I know that because they told me as much. The memories of what happened, the guilt, the shame was too much to bare. The insomnia and PTSD were probably the things that pushed me over the edge. I’m still dealing with that as a grown man, insomnia and PTSD. How is that fair? They say that life isn’t fair for anybody, but I beg to differ. Some people suffer tremendously more than others. I don’t think there’s anything worse than being sexually abused or raped, because when it happens it never goes away. It stays with you for the rest of your life.
Went through this same situation at that age,being told I don’t know what I’m taking about until my stepdad and my grandma’s bf got into a disagreement 7 years later and my My gma’s bf(who did it) tried to get my stepdad out of the picture and said it was him.
@@carmindior41 I’m very sorry that happened to you. And in case you feel otherwise, it was NOT your fault. For me, it was a friend of the family whose care I was left in. Sometimes, it really bothers me that he’s able to walk around free and clear, but there’s nothing that I can do about it except hope that he pays for his horrible crime in the next life, if you believe in that sort of thing. Anyway, take care, and again, I’m sorry for what happened to you. Most of all, I believe you. ❤️🙏
I’m truly sorry for what happened to you -shocked this person has kids and a family -if he was never caught I’m sure there are more victims along the way - I’m so sorry - I truly am I hope you have sought out counseling
Exactly right to this day i suffer severe terror post traumatic stess all abuse began with my mother den onto man i met i sufferer sheer horror ill never forget as long as i shall live how evil my own mother treated me onto have my kids and my x brainwashed dem to hate me im not the better of way i was treated i do. Know dey might not anser here but all will face god one day at judgment i
Antwan Sanders. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Research carefully. Liars!!!
MJ as far as Id know, has experienced time and time again on all manners of accusations on sexual conducts and acts. The media was out for him, the various organizations were out for him. But after so many years fighting in the courts, he was free from all charges. Did he Pay the Jury ? did he pay the Judges on the verdict ? OFF COURSE NOT. Many would want to believe in this. If it was, then the world works on a Fairy Tale. NO. This is REALITY !!! Could you Imagine, the moment that MJ's people actually tried to bribe or lobby the courts, the jury or the Judge ? That would have become one of the GREATEST news that has ever been made. It would have been MJ's PR nightmare that could have led to a PR death. With so many people having EAGLES eye views on the case, Should any one of them tried to lobby for the case, It would have already made all the news in the world. No. There wasnt any lobbying, there wasnt any buying off the Judge or Jury. After both sides presenting all manners of evidence and proof. The judgments were made. MJ was free of all the charges. It only meant that MJ is and Was NEVER guilty at all. Now, long after the man is dead, comes these 2 dudes accusing MJ of sexual abuse. TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIMING PEOPLE !!! look at the timing. Its at the ripe moment of time when there is this Sudden SURGE of sexual abuse cases making headlines all over. Harvey Weinstein, R-Kelly, Christiano Ronaldo, Brett Kavanough, David Copperfield. Etc etc. Im not saying that ALL of them are NOT guilty. But I am saying that it is a Ripe moment for them to get on this new Money making band wagon.
This is interesting???? Life Coach Toronto Giovanni Maccarrone Published on Mar 18, 2019 Subscribe 2.2K The Leaving Neverland Documentary talking about Michael Jackson’s relationship with Wade Robson & James Safechuk shows Michael to be a man who hurt little children. Many people believe that the two men are lying, and the director Dan Reed recently stated that they are telling the true. Apparently Robson and Safechuk are filling lawsuits against the Jackson estate, while the Jackson estate are trying to sue HBO for the documentary/mockumentary. In this 2013 interview on the Today Show, Wade Robson tells NBC’s host Matt Lauer that Michael Jackson hurt him between the ages of 7-14. Body language analysis shows that Robson seems like he is lying about her allegations. He uses emphasizers, emblematic slips and false starts. He makes speech errors and uses the technique of repeated assertions (parrot language). His body language does not make his words, and he engages in non-emphatic denial. According to renowned Dr.Paul Ekman in his teachings on detecting deception, he explains that people who are deceiving tend to use this micro shoulder shrugs with only one shoulder. This is an a-symmetrical shoulder shrug. A person who’s in line with what they said might still do the shoulder shrug to say I don’t know, but with BOTH shoulders, not just one. Oprah recently interviewed Robson & Safechuk and supported claims that Michael Jackson did commit those acts. Michael Jackson had two world renowned court cases both in 1993 and 2003 after Living With Michael Jackson aired. Now 10 years after his death in 2009, there are more accusations regarding what they said was done to them as little boys in the 1990s.
One of these guys said that the abuse was in the train station and gave explicit details about the interior when in fact the train station was just being constructed.
There is a picture of him, Jimmy with the train station in the background, so it proof he was there, but the director think he mistakes that the abused carried on longer than he remembered at first. It is very difficult to remember every day and month in detail from one's childhood. Can you? Because I certainly cant
This was analyzed in their court case and went against these two guys. There are many other claims which were proven false, including destroying their MJ memorabilia, which in fact was sold at a private auction for an amount over $100,000. @@k.h.7575
@@k.h.7575 Reed was already caught out lying there. Safechuck maintained the abuse ended earlier. It's even what he submitted in court very recently. Your denial of factual information is hysterical. You should try not be too proud of that white supremacy.
@@k.h.7575it’s irrelevant if Jimmy was once at Neverland when the station was built, the thing is, he said (and not once, literally 8 times in his lawsuit) that the abuse ended in 1992 (and that makes part of his narrative because according to him he turned 14 and reached puberty in 1992 and that was why Michael stopped abusing him so that he could go for a younger), the station started being built in sept 1993
I don’t care if he was the parents idea of the best person in the world, they had no business leaving their children with a STRANGER. That’s absolutely ridiculous.
Heather Insey. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!! Please research carefully many articles. Too bad!!
Exactly. Peoples' judgement in this matter is clouded by the fact that MJ was a "star". If a man down the street asked someone to send their kids over to sleep in his bed people would be horrified.
@@reyisnotamarysue1195I truly believe, Michael was innocent. Still personly he was a stranger and parents should not leave their kids alone with strangers, famous or not, Michael Jackson or an average person. Even if Im sure, Michael did nothing, it could have happened.
Everyone says why 10 years later or why now and the same way women take ages to speak out about sexual assult is because there scared of what will happened and im not saying he did it but im just making the answer to what everyone is asking.
It their case it's different, because they both HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES to speak up - during 1995 and 2005 trials. And they were not asked just "did he sexually abused you?" They were asked hundreds of questions like "did he touch your hair", "did you see him naked?" and so on. They said: nothing happened. Robson was ab 11 and Safechuck was ab 16 in 1995. In 2005 Robson was 22, and he didn;t just said nothing happened - he flew from Australia to defend MJ, he called accusations "ridiculous", he was adamant that MJ couldn't do it. I get victims keep silent. But openly defend "the abuser" in TWO courts? Against other possible victims?
@@ambar55355 The 2013 case Wade Robson had against the MJ Estate - that got thrown out, with the Judge citing 'no rational fact-finder could possibly believe (Wade) Robson's sworn statements.' This idiot perjured himself on paper/documents (that he submitted to court).
Anyone who believes these 2 are participating in railroading of an innocent man and THIS is how you lynch an innocent person and how innocent people are incarcerated. You give ONE SIDE. If the other side story was told, this is would prove they are LIARS. James has been caught in the biggest lie with the Train House that didn't even exist when he was 10 to 14, his timeline. 🤣And he can't push it out because at 15 in September 1993, when the first case broke, he said MJ never touched him and when MJ returned to the states under investigation for 14 months, James and his mother were still defending MJ. In August 1996, when MJ had married LM, James and his mother would accompany MJ to the video shoot in Budapest for the trailer video to his album HIStory. James at 16 1/2 had odd jobs and one of them was carrying MJ's umbrella. I have the photo and video of that. James is taller than MJ so no way MJ is taking him up to the 2nd floor of the train house for sex when he lived in NYC for all of 1994. 🤣 The train house was completed in the summer of 1994 and permits PROVE IT. Regarding Wade, you can find the video of Wade at Neverland with his wife in 2007, when MJ didn't even live there, enjoying his "sacred land." Go watch it and see if he looks victimized? You will also know, when Wade didn't have to, he went into a criminal courtroom in 2005 as an ADULT, an stated under oath, and said MJ never touched him. Do you know this?? This is the very reason they did a LIEdoc without giving the OTHER side. But it will all come out. "Lies win sprints but truth wins marathons." Michael Jackson
Their mothers said that they never told them about the abuse till they went to therapy in 2013 and realized that they were abused in the same documentary wade mother said on 2009 Michael died she was rejoicing that Michael won't be abusing more children. Hahaha wasn't it so funny how they contradict themselves in the same documentary that meant to expose their truths 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@alfiesfitnessforall5309 it has to do with Ophrah Winfrey who was her friend for years and actually defends the two accusators..the incident question.is about her liablity to distinguish criminals and innocents.. she seems confused
Nicki Snyder. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA. They're just lying!!! Michael won alive, and in death. Yayyyy
His estate might have been successful but there’s no way Michael was innocent. People rarely get falsely accused of abuse at the level that Michael was accused of.
Everyone is different and everyone would handle the situation differently. The way you’d handle it mightn’t be the only right way because there is no right way and you don’t know what you’d do in that situation until you are.
@ Lizzie Allen Yes after a physical and psychological trauma so extreme that it took them years to face why would then think about at the lowest point in their life with no money and no prospects " coincidence " no they clearly planned it to get the most out of there lives being broken your an disgrace to all the other idiots trying not to comment
I'm Sorry, But I don't believe them, no matter how much I try to believe it. I feel like it's not true, especially Wade. I can't Picture Mike doing these things.
I totally agree, I think it was Wade who even said during Michael's 2005 trial that none of it happened, that the story was made up and I think it was just for money 💰 Michael is innocent, he's an Angel in my eyes RIP MICHAEL/KING/LEGEND 🤴🏾🕊👑💙😇🙏 THEY ARE BOTH LIARS
@@jdvizcainoarmando is the answer to the "two roaches" wanting us to switch our support from a global winner like MJ to a global loser like these two. I DON'T SUPPORT ROACHES, they deserve roach spray not my support. So don't ask me to switch by calling us fans bootlicker that can't make us switch our love of MJ to loving ..... roaches. LOL.
What I don’t think the interviewer understands is that the non-violent manipulation is horrendously damaging. It’s possibly worse because it’s harder to explain to ourselves and to others. The trap is made in the heart and mind and it’s pretty much impossible to explain to people who’ve never experienced it.
@@JamieLeeKnoxville Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Research!
When my son was about eight he got an invitation to go to Neverland with a friend and the friends father. My first thought was why would the parent of his friend think that eight year old kids would be interested in Michael Jackson? MJ just wasn’t in my sons sphere of interests at that age. I didn’t let him go because I simply thought it was weird it seemed really “off”. That was supposed to be for an afternoon. I am floored that these parents just dropped them off and left for a week. WTH!!! The parents are guilty too!
Both their mothers were money hungry. I don't believe them for one second when they said they didn't know. They must have turned a blind eye because they liked how they were "well-looked-after" by MJ. It was their way to live a comfortable life. I'm so disgusted by these two families beyond words. Just pure utter disgust. Ugh.
how do you know they're lying? just because someone's a celebrity doesn't mean you should defend them to death. that's wrong. you don't know them.@GoogleLeviticus-
there are people who have that kind of memory. my brother has extremely VIVID memories from when he was 2, hes 38 this year. surprising, but not impossible.
I actually remember my whole life from 2 yrs old. I have pictures of me at 2 that I remember and the house we lived in that year. I dont even remember what I did yesterday
Let’s just imagine hearing all of the cases of the ‘victims’ about a normal man who lived in your neighbourhood?! As it’s not just these two men that have told similar stories is it? Why did MJ always have a young boy by his side?
The difference is the normal man in your neighborhood would do it secretly. MJ never hid anything and even publically made everyone know he brought children in Neverland. Why would a person who has so much interest in abusing children make themselves vulnerable like this? The first sign of pedophilia is he wont make himself vulnerable like this but MJ even spoke about it.
Still doesn't cut the mustard somehow... As that's why some people keep their crimes/illegal dealings in plain sight....Think about it???? What better way for a loved celebrity???? You cannot justify any of this behavior as normal.....NONE OF IT!!!! It's simply because we are blinded by the famous people......A sad but true fact! I loved MJ but I have had to face facts now.....😔💔
@@kensyskye8965 I am very similar to Michael in many, many ways for many of the same reasons. I love animals and always had a special affinity with children. I could relate to children on their level and that is why they adore me. I could play with them for hours on end. My bed is where we read stories and watch tv. I am 56 and never really emotionally grew up. People perceive me as weird and different. I look at things very differently in life. I think very differently and approach things in life very, very differently. I am definitely not a child molester. Such a lot of people chose teaching as their vocation because of their love for children. Their jobs are to spend the majority of their time with other peoples' children. Are most or all teachers especially primary (elementary) school teachers pedophiles? Strange how people must always interpret and warp innocence because their own minds can't grasp it.
MJ was abused and mistreated enough during his life. Please stop believing these lies. Let the messages in his music live on, he gave the world so much. I’m very thankful for MJ.
Interesting that Wade says he gets triggered and leaves hearing an MJ song as I’ve seen video in my research of all this of him teaching classes on choreography to Michael Jackson songs plus he pushed HARD to be in the Las Vegas Michael Jackson ONE show. Also he gave interviews where he was desperately to show himself as Michael’s protege. Hmmmm.
@@teshuahyisreal158 that maid was fired from neverland for stealing. She later attempted to sue MJ for "wrongful dismissal" that is when she herself was counter sued. She is unreliable just like all the rest. It is sad some people cant see MJ was innocent.
@@teshuahyisreal158 her and another alleged witness were found guilty of stealing items from neverland totaling up to 50,000 dollars in value. She and her husband had were also found to have defrauded a relative's children of money from thier estate. She also recieved thousands for selling her story to the tabloids
As someone who had worked with children and juveniles that had experienced sexual abuse, I can tell you that this is the exact way lots of those children have described these terrible experiences. Everything they say is something I've heard victims of sexual abuse say before more than once. I was a lifelong Michael Jackson fan until I saw this documentary, and it shocked me to the core. I always thought he was a weird guy and too touchy and strange with kids... but I loved hiw music. After watching the documentary and these interviews I can't listen to any MJ songs anymore. I am telling you - I've heard these exact words and stories many times before... Lots of people don't step forward about childhood abuse until they're in their 40s due to shame and embarrassment, due to people not believing them, due to not wanting to re-live the nightmare. And you try to keep it down but it will eventually boil over because pain ALWAYS resurfaces like a balloon that you're trying to push under water. This is common behavior and these guys speak just like the people I used to work with. This is so heartbreaking and sad. And scary.
Joy Robson spoke on the "bed" thing in the 1993 Investigation of Michael Jackson. I have Wade's OWN MOTHER discussing this in 1993 investigation and I WILL LOAD what she said for you to hear it. She said "I've been in Michael's room when the kids are there and they play so hard that they fall asleep on the bed....nothing more to it." This was DURING the 1993 investigation of Michael when Wade was 10 years old. Wade was also questioned and he stated about those chandler case and he said IT'S "SICK" because he knows for a "FACT" MJ wouldn't do anything like that. Michael Jackson's investigation lasted 14 months when the statue of limitation to process as a crime to 1998. So Wade wants us to believe MJ was STILL molesting him from 10 to 14 when he stated it's SICK???
Stop lying. How can it be the "exact way" when both of these men participated in Michael Jackson's CRIMINAL investigations??? Wade as an ADULT walked into Michael Jackson's CRIMINAL TRIAL and said he did nothing. So do "victims" testify on behalf of their accusers in a criminal courtroom? NO!
Look when it comes to MJ I've always said I don't know whether he did all the things he was accused of or not, but he was found not guilty in a court of law. All the "proof" people have is stories that Michael isn't here defend himself against. And if he did hurt kids in any way then of course it's horrible, but it's also horrible if MJ didn't do those things and people label him a pedophile.
@@charellesexii6555 sure you believe them. Not! Are you a bot? There is NO WAY at this point anyone would believe them with all the LIES exposed. It's all about MONEY now and I can PROVE it. 🤣
James Edinger. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!!! Research the entire loss.
Michael had the neurological condition synesthesia which causes some of the senses to be blended together. Sound has colour, he could see the sound, lots of people who have synesthesia are good at art. The cause is either extra connections between brain cells, or a lack inhibition in the brain. Teach the children neuroscience. It seemed magical what Michael did, science can explain it though.
I have so many mixed feelings about this. If any of this is true, I'm sickened by it. I also blame the parents. Never leave your child alone to sleep with a grown adult. However if all of this is fabricated, I'm sickened by the fact that an innocent man lays in his grave accused of something he didn't do.
Why do you still doubt it when many victims are sharing their story. It was always sick for a grown man to have sleepovers with other people's small male children
I feel the exact same way....mixed feelings...one side of me feels he wouldn't hurt a fly due to his soft spoken, shy, nice kind demeanor but then i look at the obsession he had with little white boys then the fact that he changed his entire appearance to look like a white man. Its the obsession with whiteness that kinda had me suspicious.
Parents were stupid....kids were trusting...jackson was the actual problem. He was smart and even lisa Marie and some of the Jackson's in previous interviews said he was very manipulative. I believe these men and it's a damn shame because when I watch this man perform..he was an amazing artist...very sad. Since he started show business so very young...and was so gentle and trusting and adorable....I wonder who did this to him. I 100 percent believe someone was molesting him.
Not hard for me to understand as I was abused by a teacher from age 11 to 13, and was afraid to tell my parents for fear of my Dad killing the teacher. Couldn’t handle all of that in my immature mind. Finally told my mom when I was in my 30s and she was devastated. My Dad passed away when I was in my 20s, so he never knew.
At three years old a very trusted ( & famous) uncle was 'baby-sitting' me (while mom was at the doctors) and violated my 'privacy' - terrifying & hurting me = until his wife saw, began screaming and got hysterical! I didn't remember this ~ until I was a grown woman with three daughters! It was most shocking when that memory 'returned'.!... THEN I finally knew why I was 'different' in how I reacted to to 'life' in general! Altho they had moved far away, I did make contact and was able to to let him know that God gave me the grace to actually forgive him, & I told him that God would also forgive him, and that Jesus went willingly to the cross and shed His blood = to pay for the very sins we commit. By the time the knowledge of that incident had 'returned' I had myself learned the reality of the scripture that promises "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus, our Lord." That is right out of the Holy Bible's book of Romans ch.6, vs. 23! In the same book in ch. 5 it tells us "But God commendeth his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." vs. 8. That covers it all.
Children in show business have a much higher chance of being exploited and abused. Any abuse is traumatic and heartbreaking. When you look at statistics, almost 100% of child molesters experienced abuse also as a child. It is highly likely that Michael Jackson suffered at the hands of handlers, producers, etc.. as a child in the industry.
The media gives ALL of the so called victims of MJ credibility. They even protect their OBVIOUS LIES to help them. It's really funny too. I can still remember MJ's trial in 2005 when the Arvizo's took the stand and jurors WERE LAUGHING. It was really funny when they claimed MJ abducted Gavin AFTER the Bashir documentary aired and THAT'S when the assault occurred for the FIRST TIME. There abduction lie was PROVEN with receipts of them OUT DINING during their abduction. 🤣 They couldn't turn the Arvizo story into a documentary because people would have been laughing. I would have liked to have seen the part of them claiming they tried to escape Neverland in MJ's hotair balloon. 🤣 They couldn't turn the Chandler case into a documentary either with his tape phone conversation saying "If I go through with this I WIN BIG TIME....I WILL GET EVERYTHING I WANT." Since these 2 didn't have credible stories, they decided to INVENT one with Wade and James since there's NEVER went under cross examination. I guess the Train House that NEVER existed would be the laughing stock of James' testimony since in his documentary he put such a focus on it with the wedding and repeated fake assaults in the invisible Train House. 🤣Wade's would be asked about appearing in a criminal trial now claiming he LIED in a CRIMINAL TRIAL when he stated MJ NEVER TOUCHED HIM. I have NEVER seen a molestation trial where the victim gets on the stand to LIE in a criminal trial risking going to prison for 5 years for Perjury. I would like to see the parts where he and his wife were at MJ's Neverland or what he called "sacred land" in 2007 filming. I guess the defense attorney could call it "Return to Neverland."🤣 I would also like to see the letter James sent to MJ's Estate wanting to do a tribute to him in Vegas called One. You do realize his accusation came AFTER he was rejected then sued the Estate for a billion dollars. 🤣 Or Wade participating in a dance routine with Janet at the 2009 MTV Award. I would also like to include the write up he did for MJ's Opus in 2009 where he said MJ is such a caring person and said he is "enchanting the HEAVENS."
@ 11:04 he said they were in another part of Cali but earlier he said they went to the Grand Canyon. I’m not from America but I’m pretty sure that’s in Arizona. 🤷🏿♂️
Its very common to go from Cali to Grand Canyon and Las Vegas, especially for tourists...because taking buses to go to both places is the cheaper route.
I hear you but Michael Jackson is the one to blame. Poor judgement by the parents not protecting their children but I don't believe they're as much to blame. They SHOULD be blamed for what they did, or rather for what they Didn't do, keeping them away from this man but the sexual abuse is all on Jackson.
@@thomasmarthinussen8978 The only victim in this entire ordeal is Jackson himself. I think any survivor of sexual abuse would be disgusted at these men if they just dug even a little bit into these accusations. It’s completely preposterous.
Everyone seems to be getting on Michael Jackson but what about the parents? How are they not held accountable as well. You don't leave a 7 year old with a grown man
Freddy Tolbert because it wasn't their fault I mean micheal Jackson invited them to his house who would of said no. and there parents didn't know he was a peado either and if it's anyone's fault it's micheals if the stories are true anyway but tbh I think I believe micheal the most .
Good point but I think the fact that Michael came across so childlike, innocent, and asexual probably made the parents comfortable, not to mention I'm sure he was grooming the parents as well as the kids. And their kids were so happy with him. There probably were many parents who did not allow their children to stay at Michael's but for some reason the parents of these two trusted him. Alas.
This comments section is toxic. Michael Jackson stans had their minds made up years ago. Nothing will change that. Personally, I can't know for sure either way based on all of the evidence that's been made public. And growing up, I loved MJ, and still love his music and get nostalgia when I see old music videos, t-shirts, etc. He was a legend and an icon. But some of the undeniable details, like how he slept in the same bed with kids and told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing a bed with kids, is troubling. As is the fact he paid $25M in a settlement to Chandler (another accuser). That is similar to what Bishop Eddie Long reportedly shelled out to settle his accusations. Do innocent people pay $25M to a single accuser just to, as MJ claimed, avoid a "long and drawn out" situation? Again, I don't know the truth...but unlike many, I won't claim to. I pray none of it's true.
But the public made up their mind a long time ago as well. You do remember the witch hunt on MJ, right? In a lot of people's eyes, MJ is seen as guilty simply for the fact he looked different. So it goes both ways.
The 20 Million settlement was paid by Michael's insurance company. Michael wanted to take it to court but his label company wouldn't allow it, so they came with the solution if the money eye doesn't come out of his pocket whether he would settle and he did. Another thing, even though the Chandlers received settlement they still could go ahead and testify in the criminal case in 2005 and they refused to testify. If your child was molested would you let the perpetrator get away and chase after money? No you wouldn't. Also Evan Chandler drugged his son to get a testimony out of him, the drugs he used is a hallucination drugs and you can make someone believe whatever you want while they're on that drugs. Prior to being drugged by his father Jordan has always said that he wasn't molested by Michael. Needless to say father and son weren't on speaking terms after that and Evan got arrested for besting up Jordan. Evan Chandler killed himself few months after Michael died. Jordan Chandler and Gaving Arvizo were both also approached to be part of the leaving Neverland documentary and both declined to participate.
I can relate when he said : “I almost feel guilty that I said anything” because when I was molested as a child I felt guilty of talking about it because of the consequences that happened later like everybody knowing asking me and also doubting it . Some people made me feel like it was my fault .
I felt the same way. I always felts it was my fault. When my parents found out I still felt that way because they said why didn't you say something and they couldn't believe it after years of abuse from my uncle. They still after finding out didn't hug me or say I'm sorry or anything super messed up
@@Juliemausii1 He already did when he was alive. And because he was guilty, he paid millions to the family of the victim accusing him. Innocent people don't do that. They fight for the truth.
Liars. Wade was Michael's main defense witness in 2005. He then didn't get the job to choreograph MJ's Cirque du Soleil shows after requesting for the job himself and then turned all bitter and came up with all this. Safechuchuck with Michael and Lisa as a teen here holding the pink umbrella th-cam.com/video/VRm8FN1uW2I/w-d-xo.html
Wade dated Michael's niece Brandi Jackson for 8 years as a teen. How does Michael groom Wade to be his lover while he's dating Brandi? Why did Dan Reed pretend she didn't exist?
What would Brandi be able to add to the story? That we shouldn’t believe Wade become cheated on her? That she doesn’t believe it happened because Michael is her uncle? She’s irrelevant unless she witnessed the molestation.
She has everything to do with it. If Michael’s “grooming” meant that he was supposed to dislike women, him and Brandi wouldn’t have dated. He also wouldn’t have slept around with Brittney Spears and God knows who else. Sounds like someone putting his own failures on a man who gave him and his family everything, whom also isn’t here to defend himself.
jarrett battle That’s not part of Michael’s grooming, as you call it. That was part of Michael’s jealousy. He was so insecure and manipulative at his core, he felt the need to discourage underage boys from having crushes on women. The grooming was when he isolated them from their parents, bribed they’re parents with gifts and money(Latoya admitted she saw checks with James name on them), and convinced those boys that the sexual relationship they had was normal.
Since you’re convinced of Michael’s guilt, look up Wade’s 2016 deposition, then watch Leaving Neverland again. Also, look up Joy’s 1993 and 2016 deposition. To say Michael was jealous would make Brandi’s story a lie (and, seeing how she speaks, I don’t believe she is). This stuff isn’t old news; why does everyone who knows Michael and Wade, defend Michael?? Everyone has said the same thing about Wade: that he’s an opportunist. I’m not goofy enough to believe that even Joy Robson would leave her kids with Michael.
@@TatiSaysSo What kind of person lies about being forced to testify in court when they weren't? Wade Robson was not forced to testify like he said in the movie. The private investigator confirmed it. He's a proven liar .
And all the media junkies that believe this utter money ratings and headline grabbing. 2 hetrosexual men aged 22 and 27 defended in court or sworn statement a man that supposedly abused them as kids. Are you thick or just stupid
Memories often start at the age of 3 but they can also start much earlier. It's not uncommon for children to have their first memories at 18 months and 2 years old. There is a whole world out there of people who say they remember the day of their birth with extensive detail and are being studied atm. But regardless of whether or not he remembers him at the age of two, I don't doubt his story for one second. I 100% believe both of them
As a body psychotherapist I can tell you, that people can have early memories. Often it's from a more sensory perspective. Then they can sometimes place it, because they later reconstruct the place for example.
I think the interviewer did a good job of bringing both the Jackson family perspective and the victims' experience to the forefront without disrespecting them or seeking a sensationalistic angle.
Personally i thought she was rude, how she question them, made them look and feel bad, like thet just want the money, i notice a lot more about her , how she looked with certain question s she ask the men, something definitely wrong, with her
@@p1sces.g1rl I don't think anyone knows the truth but Michael and all the children. Non of us can assure anything because now a days anything is possible. if it's true or not the parents are the first to blame, because you never ever take your eyes of your children with any one. It is well known family members abuse kids what can you expect from strangers. Not saying he did but the danger is avoided. Def. we can't say they are lying nor that they are saying the truth.
There was a guy I grew up with since kindergarten. He would come into my work with a group of all younger boys . I was 18-19 at the time and he would come into my job with any where between 10-16 year old boys and I always thought it was weird . My friend and her family lived on his street and I specifically told her to keep her kids away from this guy because he is weird and always has a trail of young kids with him. Soon after this he was convicted of molesting 2 dozen kids . He got a 360 year prison sentence . Always follow your gut . No man or grown adult who hangs wit a bunch of younger children is normal idc what you say. 90 percent of the time there’s always bad intentions behind it . I believe MJ was a molester and many others do as well. We will never 100 percent know the truth . But just go on personal experiences and body language of the people Involved .
So someone who has been abused and it haunts your for life yet in this interview they don’t shed one tears talking about it. If these dudes did lie, they should be thrown in prison. Not only false accusations against him but it could or will destroy Michael legacy. I understand the struggles. Yet defended him in a courtroom.. doesn’t add up.
@@michaeljacksonsaguiltypref3600 I have been through something similar to this before, I didn’t wait decades to come out and say something, I stood up and told my parents and they had him arrested in the first week. I never let anyone keep me from saying anything and I sure as hell didn’t defend him for it. Plus if you have watched they didn’t shed one tear talking about it. If something like that happens and you can’t even shed a tear talking about it then your obviously making this up. They made it up with the help of their parent.
@@laneredick3816 everyone's experience is different. What they went through and and the effects it causes obviously different to what you experienced. Michael Jackson groomed and abused his victims over years.
Cause u like it....stupid girl...what do u think is it good for you not telling about it anyone.....u don't have any right to comment about it here...first go n say all about ur first grade teacher to ur parents ...then comments it how u succeed in life
Lol 😆 I know how could anyone, remember being a 2 Yr old kid, it's all money, no way would all this pretence would exist if MJ was alive, bloody gold diggers, no guilt either 😉
@Candice Lynn who are you to tell me how to think, from a realistic view, MJ was an angel sent to this earth, to help the vulnerable, people just don't grasp this kindness & a child like unconditional love, I had a very similar life to MJ, let him rest In peace 💙
You believe, youre happy and highly inspired. Fortunately, justice conducts enquiries; its more empiric but more respectfull of humankind, dont you think so ?
There are not many young men that will confess about being abused. They fear that if people know it will make them less of a man. No one should hold it against them.
At 4 my abuser/stepfather explicitly told me when we heard my mom knock on the front door was don’t say anything to your mom about this or “will” get in trouble. How many four year olds want to get in trouble. I never said anything till I was a mother of two. My life has been molded around this pain and trauma. It’s not fair to me or anyone who’s been abused in any way.
James Safechuck who was born February 28, 1978 and was 14 in 1992. He claims it happened to him from 10 to 14 (1988-1992). He claims he had a wedding ceremony at at the Neverland Train House at the beginning of the relationship and it happened up on the 2nd floor of the Train House all the time. One BIG problem with his story. Michael's Neverland Train House was not built until June 1994 when James was 16 and TALLER than MJ. lol. So his made up tale came before the Train House was built and when James was 16. Michael had the Chandler case in 1993 and James was defending him and said no such thing happened. Not only did he defend him, when MJ and LM were married in May 1994, they appeared in Bucharest in August 1994 when James was 16 (there are photos of James carrying the unbrella for MJ and LM) and he is TALLER than MJ. lol James mother also came on the trip. Now for LN, he claims MJ did not have contact with him after he became an adolescent. lol The lies are NEVER ENDING. The only one's falling for this is those who were not born and can't follow timelines. That's why James and Wade did this in MJ's death because they thought no one would know. But MJ was so famous and had so many fans, they kept up with EVERYTHING MJ. I even have a video on my channel from October 1993 raid of Neverland, a reporter mentions MJ was about to build his Train. lol That's how Safechuck got caught in his lie of repeatedly raped at the train house from 10 to 14 (1988 to 1992). lol You can also check out the real reason James joined the Wade lawsuit by watching the video on youtube called "Revealed! Why Safechuck is REALLY Suing Michael Jackson!"
@@bereal6590 I'm sorry for her story too but she can't project what happened to her on a story UNRELATED to her situation. Wade and James are liars and they are making a mockery out of REAL victims for their own selfish financial gain and it's SICK.
The two protagonists, Safechuck and Robson, said they had testified in court at the time that MJ had not molested them because they were obsessed with being able to defend and save him in court. How can you make such a false statement and how can you want to defend someone like that when you have been wronged? They also said that they did not even realize that injustice was being done to them. If you have studied MJ, studied him, his body language, his gestures, his life, his behavior, then you can never believe such accusations. The research takes a lot of time, but you can't judge someone if you haven't walked in their shoes. I took the time for months. I must note that I have never been a fan of MJ and his music, but I despise people's superficialities, which have reached their peak since the existence of social networks. I feel the need to expose injustices. To me, MJ is clearly the victim. His life story is the saddest I have ever heard of... It's so disgusting to blame someone who can no longer defend themselves. The director and the protagonists should be ashamed
You clearly understand nothing about how sexual abuse undermines someone's sense of boundaries and being wronged or not. It gets all twisted. A common pattern in victims is, to feel guilty and as if they had responsibility for this happening. It's called the predator-victim confusion. Victims can feel as if they are the one harming the predator. Because it's harder to accept, that someone abused and violated you, than that oneself did something, so the idea of the love that the predator supposedly has doesn't need to be given up. So
And as a therapist and survivor MJ showed in the clip with the boy that in a childish way of wanting to tease MJ back spills about MJ claim that he only loves him, when he sleeps in a bed with him, the brief non verbal interaction when he realises that he said something that upset MJ and his voicing that 'he finally gave in' and the whole interaction is so manipulative, abuse 1x1. So I don't know what you've studied, bit that was clear and loud
If you just listen to what they are saying things don't add up. MJ told them if anyone finds out they will both go to jail. But they dont see anything wrong with what they are doing.
@@valenfarous3150 I was never as stupid about sex as they want us to believe kids are. If someday to me what they said happened to them I would have known it was wrong at any age. I think these two colaberated and fabricated all this BS.
If I were abused like that, then yeah I'd want something for it. The estate should just settle. That would be the decent thing to do. Create a fund for all the boys... But you know Michael's mother will never believe this about her dead child. Whatever the truth there is a lot of tragedy going around.
@Dnomyar Akunawik If there is even a tiny chance then they should WANT to help these men. But they just want to protect the future fortune Jackson's estate will generate. If true they are abusing these victims again. And attacking victims sexual abuse is adding to that abuse.
@@Psychol-Snooper That's EXACTLY how I feel. The only thing the Jackson care about is protecting their cash cow. It's so ironic to me that they claim the guys just want money. The freaking hypocrisy! And I honestly think the siblings know Michael was sick. He was always "different". But admitting that would hurt their estate.
I used to think MJ really did this to these kids but now I just don't believe them. The more I look into what these men have said about what happened, where it happened and when don't line up. .One of them claimed they were assaulted in the train station of the ranch but it hadn't even been built yet. In separate interviews Wade gives two separate answers to questions relating to the first time it happened and how old he was. I also think the timing is convenient for both of them. It's easy to claim victim when the one you're accusing is no longer here. So I believed he was guilty at one point but now I believe they're lying. And guilty or not, shame on the parents for allowing this to happen. Stranger danger applies to everyone no matter how famous they are.
You know I am very torn. I would love to think MJ was innocent but what do these guys have to gain by telling their story. MJ was found innocent in court for these aligations. Double jeopardy is a thing and also he is dead. So what can they gain? Maybe a little money for interviews but nothing worth having to speak about these things to the world. Idk. I'm very torn. MJ had such a bad childhood it all very well could of been him just trying to be a child again and nothing happened. But I don't think we all will ever know the full truth.
I have a couple friends that were sexually abused as children, now we are all adults, and they have told me about it. My one friend even got pregnant by this guy. Her daughter is a successful attorney married with 3 daughters, and my friend has NEVER TOLD ANYONE except me. She would never tell her daughter that her father was a pedaphile. You have to weigh who you are going to hurt the most.
i really hope they have support in terms of therapy/peer support because the damage is so great from that. it helps so much just to have a professional listen to you and believe you and validate your experiences and feelings. plus developjng strategies and even healing. Youre not qualified to be the only one who knows, i feel really sad if thats the case. and of course professionals dont share the info with anyone.
The friend that was sexually assaulted who had a successful daughter was an amazing strong mother to keep that out of her daughters life so she can concure the world
James Safechuck who was born February 28, 1978 and was 14 in 1992. He claims it happened to him from 10 to 14 (1988-1992). He claims he had a wedding ceremony at at the Neverland Train House at the beginning of the relationship and it happened up on the 2nd floor of the Train House all the time. One BIG problem with his story. Michael's Neverland Train House was not built until June 1994 when James was 16 and TALLER than MJ. lol. So his made up tale came before the Train House was built and when James was 16. Michael had the Chandler case in 1993 and James was defending him and said no such thing happened. Not only did he defend him, when MJ and LM were married in May 1994, they appeared in Bucharest in August 1994 when James was 16 (there are photos of James carrying the unbrella for MJ and LM) and he is TALLER than MJ. lol James mother also came on the trip. Now for LN, he claims MJ did not have contact with him after he became an adolescent. lol The lies are NEVER ENDING. The only one's falling for this is those who were not born and can't follow timelines. That's why James and Wade did this in MJ's death because they thought no one would know. But MJ was so famous and had so many fans, they kept up with EVERYTHING MJ. I even have a video on my channel from October 1993 raid of Neverland, a reporter mentions MJ was about to build his Train. lol That's how Safechuck got caught in his lie of repeatedly raped at the train house from 10 to 14 (1988 to 1992). lol You can also check out the real reason James joined the Wade lawsuit by watching the video on youtube called "Revealed! Why Safechuck is REALLY Suing Michael Jackson!"
Something is fishy about this story! Why would your friend who was a victim of a sexual assault even wanted to give birth and keep the child that was conceived by rape? She could have had an abortion or put the baby up for adoption. That's like marrying her assailant and keeping his child. That doesn't make no sense! The only person she told, was you? she didn't call the police, or even tried to get her rapist convicted and prosecuted, after committing a sex crime? She allowed him get away with it, so he can continue on raping, victimizing and impregnate other women? He should be incarcerated. Sorry, but your story just doesn't sound feasible at all! It's very obvious that your friend is not telling you the whole story, that's If it's true at all because, it could've been consensual.
@@slimdude2011 My new videos will END the lies of these 2 for good. See the only one's falling for it are the one's who without the details. But I've turned LN into a hilarious COMEDY 😂 as it should be.
They’re both so feminine. I believe it, they loved him and as they said he didn’t cause physical pain but it is very sick and very very twisted what he did. They didn’t want him in jail because they didn’t feel pain and were brainwashed to fall in love with him but it is still gross and twisted and probably didn’t realize when they were young that abuse doesn’t mean it has to hurt physically. So sad..
Safechucks mother: I was so happy when Michael died in 2009 and can’t harm any other child. I danced. Safechuck: I did not realise until 2013 that I had been abused. I got therapy and then realised and then told my mom about it. Safechuck: Michael abused me at Grammys 1989 in LA Facts: MJ neither attended nor performed at Grammy’s 1989 LA Safechuck: MJ took me to Euro Disney in 1988 for our honeymoon Facts: Euro Disney was not open until 1992 People have found so many contradictions in this film that every time a contradiction is indicated it gets cut from the doc. New version released in U.K was cut 45 minutes short. This documentary is a lie.
You need help if you’re digging this deep to try to ruin the credibility of a victim of child sex abuse. And for what, to defend your favorite pop star? Pathetic.
Safechuck's mum sort of knew because her son refused to defend him in his second trial. But she wouldn't address it. Other discrepancies can exist because childhood memories are tricky. But if these children can explain such abuse consistently.. and pass lie detectors and suffer all the signs of adults dealing with child sexual abuse later in life... I mean, why wont you believe them? I am a huge MJ fan. I will never stop loving and idolizing him - the artist. But it seems clear that he did also have sexual relations with small boys. He can be both a hero and a very misguided damaged man with mental health issues who did these things to small boys. Not because he's evil. But because he was a traumatized individual with mental health issues.
Wade Robson sounds very convincing... which he also did during the trial as he said the allegations were ridiculous and that Michael was completely innocent. So we know for a fact that he can lie convincingly... the question is just which story really was a lie?
@@elisabethgreene2002 I think most people have seen through these two-faced liars by now. When I was younger I believed the first allegations against Michael, but many years later I tried to read up on all this stuff with a more open mind and came to the conclusion there is absolutely nothing of substance that indicates that Michael is guilty. In lots of other cases it is kind of obvious even though it cannot be legally proven, but in this case there is not even that. There is a very strong possibility that Michael is innocent of all charges, and if that truly is the case, then it is heartbreaking what was done to him.
They are lying to their teeth. Even with all the training and acting their doing… I even feel like they using what other victims say for their gain. Smh. Sick people
you should check their LEAKED VIDEO which exposed them as frauds, they cheated you all! check their leaked video for yourself, dont let your sympathy for victims to be misused by anyone who has the motive of money : leavingneverlandtruth.blogspot.com/p/documentariesvideos-that-exposes-truth.html
Kathy Hale. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck and HBO. On April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!!! Research the entire loss. This is old.
@@stephanie3848 Protect him?? They lied in Leaving Neverland documentary. almost destroying his legacy for fame, and 💰 and lost all of their cases....Again!!!
Yeah I watched it. I’m a fan of documentaries and this one was pretty mediocre. There weren’t any facts or any evidence that Michael abused them other then them saying he did so..Sorry they just aren’t believable.
@@Wallescontent that's the thing though about allegations and accusations- often none of them can be either proven or unproven and usually the judge and jury in these cases have no idea who's telling the truth. They think loads of the accusations against Jimmy Saville are lies by people trying to get money...or in the Dustin Hoffman accusations loads of people on set dispute the allegations the women said....I am at the stage where I don't know who to believe anymore in these cases.
The thing that I question most is, if this is true why aren't there many more accusers? The man had close unsupervised access to literally hundreds of thousands of kids all over the world on a daily... Yet we have a handful of accusers, of which 1 publicly admitted to lying due after growing up due to pressure from his money seeking father.. the other proven untrue in criminal court and a mother with a history of fraud and then these two with a history of perjury, money seeking schemes and a chip on their shoulder as if the world owes them. They sue a massive estate only after their story cannot be questioned. Hummm...🧐
Because their lies are all finally falling apart. One of the accusers at 31 years old begged and pleaded to dance for a Michael Jackson tribute show. Why would a victim want to dance in front of the whole world to honor his abuser??? Once he got rejected, he went and tried to get money from the estate. When that didn’t work out either and his feelings were hurt, that’s when this mockumentary came about.
@@ΜαριανναΓεωργιου-κ1σ The first one, the one that got that settlement, the father committed suicide. The father was caught on auto tape plotting with another on how he was "pull this off" stating he was gonna humiliate MJ so bad with these false allegations that he sure he'd settle for millions etc, Well after the boy grew up, he split with his father and he wrote a statement to the media that none if it was true. Very hard to find this info bc most of the mainstream media who spent so much time convicting MJ refused to report.
No matter what happened, we all know Michael should not have been alone with children anywhere in the house. That is just common protection for him and for the children. Actually, these children guests to Neverland should have always had their parents or their adult guardian with them.
When you are a victim and you don't say something right away you are more likely not to say something later. At first you might not say something because you don't really understand or they use a scare tactic. Then you think no one is going to believe you because it's usually and old family member/friends or someone in high power. After some time you start felling ashamed and feel like it's your fault. I took me like 8 year to finally say something for the first time about one of my abusers and nothing was done about it so it made me feel like It didn't matter because it was no longer happening. Like I didn't matter. It took me another 5 years to say something again but still nothing happened and the abusers were never confronted because they are family members. First time it happened to me I was 8 years old the last time I was 13 years old. I'm 37 now and I have only told like 6 people.
@@memethingz6004 Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA. Look it up!! Liars!!!!!
Yep, and then when you say it, people minimize it because it was years ago and you waited. People look for excuses to maintain their ignorance about things that disturb them. It’s very sad.
As someone who hasn’t endured any sexual assault but constantly hearing about other people’s stories, it just makes me mad how much people can hurt you either by sexually assaulting you and getting away with it or not believing you had to endure such horrible experiment!
@Rahi LeShanbi Its the worst that can happen to anyone growing up.Its totall fear to speak out whos done what theyve done even its by a relative because it can destroy a family.But to accuse a mega popstar would be virtually impossible.His music and his adoring fans who adore him and his music will totally dismiss any allegation that stains his character and some would physically hurt anyone who accused him of sexual offences.Theres no doubt many more were abused by Micheal Jackson as kids sexually but for those reasons are too scared to speak out.
@GoogleLeviticus19-29 Still doesnt wash.There are serious allegations of sexual offences with minors.When i hear a Jackson song on the radio,all i think of is his alleged child abuse especially when Pretty young thing is on the radio.
Excellent point Rahi. Many people in power abuse their power, not always in a sexual manner, but in many ways. I have suffered power abuse by lawyers, judges (prosecuting attorneys in black robes), and a landlord. The landlord was the only one who abused his power in a sexual manner. My landlord sexually assaulted me and many other male tenants. When I complained about it, it caused me to ultimately be illegally evicted from my home of over 16 years (however, after I complained the landlord stopped his criminal behavior, so I know I helped prevent others from the same fate). There are no attorneys that helps tenants in my State, none. And, many people did not believe me which made it worse of course, and two people, in authority, even laughed when I told them. My legal aid attorney did not even believe me and would not even address the issue which is clear "ineffective assistance of counsel", among other things. It was maddening. I kept my cool however, by praying and asking God to help me keep calm, and it worked. But, inside it tore me up and still does to this day. I had even gone to law school before all this happened (I am not an attorney btw), but it did not help me, as I did not know the right people, I was poor, and I had/have a disability. We all have our crosses to bear and we all must move forward in order to find and keep happiness.
@@brianmorecombe2726 except for - judges, jurors... and others who have to, or who stick to evidence, in general, and question credibility. Not saying it's flawless. It is easy to blame it on his status and fandom, that many out there are capable of critical thinking... 🙄 "No doubt there were other victims" - where are they to confirm your "No doubt" and how come one should just swallow what accusers say - otherwise one is categorized as blind fan? I think we should all watch out what we contribute to such cases & horrible topics. I firmly believe both is wrong - to accuse someone who is considered innocent by legal means (doesn't mean one does not have a right to opinion, but one should state it as such) and vv it is wrong to accuse an accuser of lying just because there's no evidence. Which is more often the case in child abuse and rape incidents. Emotional people are easier to manipulate, in my opinion. on one hand, LN was perfectly orchestrated. And on the other hand - MJ managed to make some people believe he was inhuman or something unreal. To me, there are elements that point towards them lying, and there are elements that force me to question MJ's portrait of innocence.
@@Nikita-zo4gp You can analyze,pick out and discredit what i`ve said.But to most people it is very credible to assume Jackson sexually offended young kids when these numerous allegations of sexual impropriety with young children were made and its callous to dismiss them whoever it is made to.Even his sister not once but twice made the same allegations of unnatural associations with kids.Sleeping with unrelated children is harmful to their development,even children related isnt appropiate.
There is a huge difference between Wade and James. Wade has forgiven himself what he told Oprah and his therapy is much further than his. I also can't stand how James suffers, it's so sad and hurtful. I think he wasn't ready for all of this situation, interviews, etc. Wade is fighting and James looks like he would like to go home what I completely understand. I have no doubts he still loves Micheal when he says he does:(
The fear is less when the person is dead. They do not have to deal with being threatened or made to feel guilty for coming forward. The fact is. Too many kids have said the same things. It’s too coincidental. That many people don’t collectively lie. Having the star like that giving you attention and helping your career and family must have felt like a dream come true. Also, with what we now know about Hollywood and all, it wouldn’t be far fetched to say that Michael was likely perpetrated against by someone himself. To say he seemed troubled is an understatement. Much love to all affected. Truly.
I know of 2. Were there more? 🤔 Unfortunately, I'm not sure I believe these guys. Because young people can be convinced that something happened. I'm more convinced, if it's just these 2,these two had parents in it for the money and brain washed them. But... 🤷🏾♀️ MJ is dead and I didn't buy his albums...
@@1truek269 yes, there were more. These 2 and at least 2 others as he was taken to court twice on the matter. I was surprised because I just didn’t see him as a sexy person. Even with all the crotch grabbing and all. His feminine voice discounted him in my mind, I guess.
First thing first. Parents... your are responsible for your kids no matter what are they're ages. Kids are kids. Whenever they are adults that's they're own responsibility to take care themselves. So is very important to take care your kids and let them know you're there as a parent, protector, provider, friend etc.
I don’t understand to this day how people would “relate” to this nonsense or believe these liars. When everything proves otherwise!! that nothing happened to them from Michael. The sickest thing you can do is to stick knives into a dead body not only that you do it to a man who stood by you and offered you nothing but love. I was abused as a child and not for a second believe or relate to them.
@@oldol12 you mean that they are looking for a money grab. Plus you don’t need 4 hours to tell the truth and yeah my opinion matters you just need to wake up from the coma that you’re in. If it’s on tv or podcasts or newspapers it doesn’t mean it happened you just need to know the motive behind everything.
@@oldol12 Michael Jackson is the only artist who gave more than half a billion dollars for charity !! of course you don’t know that and you won’t see it on tv because it doesn’t serve their agenda.
@@oldol12 Jussie Smollet would have had a Podcast to if his hoax was not exposed. But I guess it helps that James and Wade are white because they benefit from their LIES more than a black person. Racism is a sickness for sure.
They sure do seem comfortable, without reaction, no mood change in talking about something so horrific to happen to any child. How much money did their parents gain for turning their heads? How can a parent not! have concern for their child's safety?! They're talking about this like someone talking about petting a dog at the park!
You haven't seen the 4 hour documentary, where they confess it al for the first time with more detail and you can see the trauma in their faces. This video is from one of many interviews done after that so of course they are a little more confortable talking about it
Jackson's targets were mostly little boys who lived just with mothers or who lived in problematic homes. They were much easier to manipulate. So, mothers were more responsible in case of MJ, fathers mostly didn't have enough chance to decide about anything. Women, mothers, were also attracted to Jackson, and he used and abused it.
@@iks9120 Yes, you are right. I have to admit that I wrote my comment before watching "Leaving Neverland". I also noticed both, Wade and James, being portrayed as kind of lonely kids. And Wade's father's story was extremely heartbreaking to me. I cannot tell about James' father, he seems to have admired MJ a lot back then, but I don''t want to judge! I think it's just important to not forget that absent parents have responsibilities and maybe possibilities to interfere, too.
This guy is 7 years old and his parents allow him stay with MJ for a week. They need to be sued.
MORE LIKE THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED AND DISPOSED OF WITH THE DAILY GARBAGE
They were dazzled by celebrity (like many of the ppl posting here). And many of the same people calling these guys liars would have allowed their own kids to go hang out with a predator like Jackson.
Their parents are the guilty party here.
You never stayed over at a friends house? He was like father Christmas to the kids and the parents ,, wake up...
The families, like many people, bought into Michael Jackson's act, that he was this innocent, fragile spirit who couldn't hurt a fly. It was a perfect cover and it helped convince the world that he was worthy of trust when the opposite was true. And he was a wealthy and powerful celebrity. As proven on this comments thread, people are too easily starstruck and they buy into celebrity personas too easily and that's why these celebrities get away with doing terrible things. So I don't blame the families for believing in Michael's Jackson's innocence and trusting their children with him. The rest of the world believed it too. That's abundantly clear from all the people who still defend Jackson despite all the people who've come forward with accounts of his predatory behavior.
What parent leaves their child with a grown man!! For a week!
Whitney McClinton Nit wits, bums, crooks, absentee parents, parents behind on their bills, irresponsible parents, numb skulls.... I can continue!!!
hmmm...………………………..
IamRoyElty what grown man wants to be with someone’s child alone for a week?
I know! Right!! Michael is DEAD? I think it's wrong to ruin his legacy, by digging up issues after he is not here to defend himself! RIP KING OF POP!
@@roseburton3275 just because he's dead doesn't mean he wasn't a pedophile. There's plenty of dead child molesters. His victims however are still alive ( not counting the two dads that commited suicide.)
And again: it's only the mothers who are being criticized for not protecting their sons. What about the fathers' responsibility?
James father doesn't believe him and has always defended Michael. Wade's father was molested himself and killed himself after losing battle with mental health issues. In a franch program in which the directeur of the documentary was debating a panel of pro Michael Jackson people a psychiatrist touched on that the father might have molested Wade and is accusing instead Michael Jackson for financial gain. Wade hated his father and they did touched on that in the documentary
Joy took Wade away from his father- and he would end up committing suicide. James' father passed a couple of years ago.
Yeah thats why they were easy targets... Both didnt have fothers around... Sad
MEN say they are rightfully in charge, so MEN get the responsibility and the blame. That's how BEING IN CHARGE WORKS, dudes. Might wanna rethink your angle. :)
Joy Robson stalked Michael Jackson. And James' Mom claims to have danced a jig when she found out Michael died. But James didn't tell anyone he was "molested" until 2013. And Jackson died in 09'...🤔
That would mean she thought Mike was a sexual deviant all along, yet she still let James hang around MJ.
The guy in the white shirt lied on the stand should be charged. 22:26
Just because you dont want something to be true about this pop idol (who im a fan of) doesn't mean it isnt. Why am I the only one who understands someone can produce great works of art...and still be sick in the head
Teenie finally someone with a head on their shoulders👍
Exactly!!!!
Teenie thank you for saying this!
So true!
@@natureandrap for real.
Kokainuser why's that then because these guys say so?
You should never leave your children alone with strangers. Ever.
Michael did nothing to them. They lie.
Ellos son doble cara
@Charlie Eells Michael did nothing wrong to them. They lie.
Idk how they would leave the kids alone. SMH... I don't see how that was even okay and worse a whole week alone.
@@wesmcinerny4524 Were you in the MJ bed room then ?
wtf why would you leave your child behind with a grown men for 5 days
rick
Thank u blame your parents
He went with them!!! WADE LIED! HIS OWN MOTHER'S SAID IN HER TESTIMONY IN 1993 THAT HE WENT WITH THEM !! Grand Canyon is a lie! And train station abuse is a lie and if I'm gonna write all their lies I will write a who damn essay! Leaving Neverland is ALL A BIG LIE!
@@trustgod3868 Sir or Ma'am, have you ever heard of 'grooming' ... or do you know child abuse works on the minds of the children, even as adults? Some NEVER admit it but it does not mean it did not happen. Grow up!
@@TerryReedMiss Dear Ma'am the room James Safechuck describes didn't even exist! how can he be abused in a room that did NOT exist? And Wade was with his family in Grand Canyon he did NOT stay with Michael ! And you're old but you believe words instead of facts, proofs receipts and you tell me to grow up because I give out facts and proofs and spread the truth?...In that case thank God that FBI, Police and Court didn't grow up and still need PROOFS, FACTS AND RECEIPTS! OH AND MICHAEL WAS AND IS PROVEN INNOCENT
@Lion of Zion Fact, receipts, proofs don't agree with you. You're invalid. Try again
"The media is the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the mind's of the masses." Malcolm X
@@hailamark2402 Nope. They hired a new lawyer.
@@hailamark2402 Yes Dan Reed is desperate at this time so I'm sure he has MORE after the videos I put up. 🤣
@@hailamark2402 It's already out. It was on Twitter.
I 100% believe these men. 💯!!
Thats why i dont love America ! All about money !!!!!!
If this case wasn’t about MJ but about a nobody, Im absolutely sure that 99% of the people would be saying “guilty”. Sad but true!!!
Some people cannot be shaken from their beliefs, and perhaps that is THEIR past not allowing them. It's just too hurtful to be so betrayed for some people. Some of us expect it! Or, have it in our experience that 'big names' are just that --- they are not the private person, only a label. Manipulative people usually are NOT bad people! But when a manipulative person IS up to no good, they have a better chance of getting away with it - big name or not, but especially if they're perceived as celebrities or leaders. When they fall down, and hopefully most do quickly, it an taken a while but eventually, all that will be left is reputation and in his case, some old songs. Cool old songs and a NASTY rep.
Yep. Sad but true is exactly right.
@@dangerousgirl44 Um..that's not at all true. You're projecting. I believe that 99% of his die hard, rabid fans believe he's innocent, but that's about it.
nacionalcapo his fanatics are delusional. they cannot comprehend the fact that a celebrity could be a different person behind the camera
What is sad is that these people claim these allegations bc this is MJ
I was five years old when I was sexually abused. And I was scared to death. I remember my heart racing really fast and staring at the door hoping that my brother or mother would come looking for me. They never did. For years, I said nothing, and I felt so much guilt. I truly believed that I had done something wrong and that if I said anything I was going to get into trouble. I also believed that he was going to be mad at me and try to hurt me. When I finally got up the nerve to say something, only one relative believed me. The rest of them called me a liar or didn’t say anything at all, which was just as hurtful. To this day, according to most of my family, whatever I say is a lie. If I said the sky was blue, they’d swear it was green. And my abuser, he never had to pay for what he did. He has kids and he’s living his version of happiness probably without a simple thought of me. I actually wonder about that sometimes, if he thinks of me and if he’s sorry. I imagine he’s not because he’s never had to answer for what he did all those years ago. He got away with it. Meanwhile, I’m still dealing with what he did. I’ve been dealing with it since I was five and nobody cares how hard that’s been. There are moments where I don’t think about it and for the most part I’m okay. And then out of nowhere, it’s like a train wreck. I feel scared and guilty, and desperately want for someone to come and save me. As a teen I self harmed with a razor blade and when the school found out and told my family they did not care. I know that because they told me as much. The memories of what happened, the guilt, the shame was too much to bare. The insomnia and PTSD were probably the things that pushed me over the edge. I’m still dealing with that as a grown man, insomnia and PTSD. How is that fair? They say that life isn’t fair for anybody, but I beg to differ. Some people suffer tremendously more than others. I don’t think there’s anything worse than being sexually abused or raped, because when it happens it never goes away. It stays with you for the rest of your life.
Went through this same situation at that age,being told I don’t know what I’m taking about until my stepdad and my grandma’s bf got into a disagreement 7 years later and my My gma’s bf(who did it) tried to get my stepdad out of the picture and said it was him.
@@carmindior41 I’m very sorry that happened to you. And in case you feel otherwise, it was NOT your fault. For me, it was a friend of the family whose care I was left in. Sometimes, it really bothers me that he’s able to walk around free and clear, but there’s nothing that I can do about it except hope that he pays for his horrible crime in the next life, if you believe in that sort of thing. Anyway, take care, and again, I’m sorry for what happened to you. Most of all, I believe you. ❤️🙏
I’m truly sorry for what happened to you -shocked this person has kids and a family -if he was never caught I’m sure there are more victims along the way - I’m so sorry - I truly am I hope you have sought out counseling
Exactly right to this day i suffer severe terror post traumatic stess all abuse began with my mother den onto man i met i sufferer sheer horror ill never forget as long as i shall live how evil my own mother treated me onto have my kids and my x brainwashed dem to hate me im not the better of way i was treated i do. Know dey might not anser here but all will face god one day at judgment i
Antwan Sanders. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Research carefully. Liars!!!
I think also admitting to the world that you were in love with a man (and had sexual contact) is also really hard to admit.
daviswendye Mark Brown He dated Micheal Jackson’s niece for 6-7 years. When he was 12-19
MJ as far as Id know, has experienced time and time again on all manners of accusations on sexual conducts and acts. The media was out for him, the various organizations were out for him. But after so many years fighting in the courts, he was free from all charges. Did he Pay the Jury ? did he pay the Judges on the verdict ? OFF COURSE NOT. Many would want to believe in this. If it was, then the world works on a Fairy Tale. NO. This is REALITY !!! Could you Imagine, the moment that MJ's people actually tried to bribe or lobby the courts, the jury or the Judge ? That would have become one of the GREATEST news that has ever been made. It would have been MJ's PR nightmare that could have led to a PR death.
With so many people having EAGLES eye views on the case, Should any one of them tried to lobby for the case, It would have already made all the news in the world. No. There wasnt any lobbying, there wasnt any buying off the Judge or Jury. After both sides presenting all manners of evidence and proof. The judgments were made. MJ was free of all the charges.
It only meant that MJ is and Was NEVER guilty at all. Now, long after the man is dead, comes these 2 dudes accusing MJ of sexual abuse. TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIMING PEOPLE !!! look at the timing.
Its at the ripe moment of time when there is this Sudden SURGE of sexual abuse cases making headlines all over. Harvey Weinstein, R-Kelly, Christiano Ronaldo, Brett Kavanough, David Copperfield. Etc etc.
Im not saying that ALL of them are NOT guilty. But I am saying that it is a Ripe moment for them to get on this new Money making band wagon.
Unless it's false
I agree it must have been extremely had to even get a word out
This is interesting????
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The Leaving Neverland Documentary talking about Michael Jackson’s relationship with Wade Robson & James Safechuk shows Michael to be a man who hurt little children. Many people believe that the two men are lying, and the director Dan Reed recently stated that they are telling the true. Apparently Robson and Safechuk are filling lawsuits against the Jackson estate, while the Jackson estate are trying to sue HBO for the documentary/mockumentary.
In this 2013 interview on the Today Show, Wade Robson tells NBC’s host Matt Lauer that Michael Jackson hurt him between the ages of 7-14.
Body language analysis shows that Robson seems like he is lying about her allegations. He uses emphasizers, emblematic slips and false starts. He makes speech errors and uses the technique of repeated assertions (parrot language). His body language does not make his words, and he engages in non-emphatic denial.
According to renowned Dr.Paul Ekman in his teachings on detecting deception, he explains that people who are deceiving tend to use this micro shoulder shrugs with only one shoulder. This is an a-symmetrical shoulder shrug. A person who’s in line with what they said might still do the shoulder shrug to say I don’t know, but with BOTH shoulders, not just one.
Oprah recently interviewed Robson & Safechuk and supported claims that Michael Jackson did commit those acts.
Michael Jackson had two world renowned court cases both in 1993 and 2003 after Living With Michael Jackson aired. Now 10 years after his death in 2009, there are more accusations regarding what they said was done to them as little boys in the 1990s.
One of these guys said that the abuse was in the train station and gave explicit details about the interior when in fact the train station was just being constructed.
There is a picture of him, Jimmy with the train station in the background, so it proof he was there, but the director think he mistakes that the abused carried on longer than he remembered at first. It is very difficult to remember every day and month in detail from one's childhood. Can you? Because I certainly cant
This was analyzed in their court case and went against these two guys. There are many other claims which were proven false, including destroying their MJ memorabilia, which in fact was sold at a private auction for an amount over $100,000. @@k.h.7575
@@k.h.7575 Reed was already caught out lying there. Safechuck maintained the abuse ended earlier. It's even what he submitted in court very recently. Your denial of factual information is hysterical. You should try not be too proud of that white supremacy.
@@k.h.7575it’s irrelevant if Jimmy was once at Neverland when the station was built, the thing is, he said (and not once, literally 8 times in his lawsuit) that the abuse ended in 1992 (and that makes part of his narrative because according to him he turned 14 and reached puberty in 1992 and that was why Michael stopped abusing him so that he could go for a younger), the station started being built in sept 1993
@@julianamarquesdaconceicao9328 there could be many explanations. It a simple and minor one to me.
I don’t care if he was the parents idea of the best person in the world, they had no business leaving their children with a STRANGER. That’s absolutely ridiculous.
Heather Insey. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!! Please research carefully many articles. Too bad!!
Famous or Not it should of had someone there thats older or Say No can't stay all Noght
He wasn't a stranger though 🙄 if you look at the evidence MJ was clearly innocent
Exactly. Peoples' judgement in this matter is clouded by the fact that MJ was a "star". If a man down the street asked someone to send their kids over to sleep in his bed people would be horrified.
@@reyisnotamarysue1195I truly believe, Michael was innocent. Still personly he was a stranger and parents should not leave their kids alone with strangers, famous or not, Michael Jackson or an average person. Even if Im sure, Michael did nothing, it could have happened.
Everyone says why 10 years later or why now and the same way women take ages to speak out about sexual assult is because there scared of what will happened and im not saying he did it but im just making the answer to what everyone is asking.
It their case it's different, because they both HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES to speak up - during 1995 and 2005 trials. And they were not asked just "did he sexually abused you?" They were asked hundreds of questions like "did he touch your hair", "did you see him naked?" and so on.
They said: nothing happened. Robson was ab 11 and Safechuck was ab 16 in 1995.
In 2005 Robson was 22, and he didn;t just said nothing happened - he flew from Australia to defend MJ, he called accusations "ridiculous", he was adamant that MJ couldn't do it.
I get victims keep silent. But openly defend "the abuser" in TWO courts? Against other possible victims?
They both lied. It has been proven.
@@GG8476 how was it proved?? Tell me. I honestly want to know. I'm so confused.
lety vazquez just look at the rebuttal evidence is all about the benjamins.
@@ambar55355 The 2013 case Wade Robson had against the MJ Estate - that got thrown out, with the Judge citing 'no rational fact-finder could possibly believe (Wade) Robson's sworn statements.' This idiot perjured himself on paper/documents (that he submitted to court).
Isn't it a father's number one job to protect his child too though??
Anyone who believes these 2 are participating in railroading of an innocent man and THIS is how you lynch an innocent person and how innocent people are incarcerated. You give ONE SIDE. If the other side story was told, this is would prove they are LIARS. James has been caught in the biggest lie with the Train House that didn't even exist when he was 10 to 14, his timeline. 🤣And he can't push it out because at 15 in September 1993, when the first case broke, he said MJ never touched him and when MJ returned to the states under investigation for 14 months, James and his mother were still defending MJ. In August 1996, when MJ had married LM, James and his mother would accompany MJ to the video shoot in Budapest for the trailer video to his album HIStory. James at 16 1/2 had odd jobs and one of them was carrying MJ's umbrella. I have the photo and video of that. James is taller than MJ so no way MJ is taking him up to the 2nd floor of the train house for sex when he lived in NYC for all of 1994. 🤣 The train house was completed in the summer of 1994 and permits PROVE IT.
Regarding Wade, you can find the video of Wade at Neverland with his wife in 2007, when MJ didn't even live there, enjoying his "sacred land." Go watch it and see if he looks victimized? You will also know, when Wade didn't have to, he went into a criminal courtroom in 2005 as an ADULT, an stated under oath, and said MJ never touched him. Do you know this?? This is the very reason they did a LIEdoc without giving the OTHER side. But it will all come out. "Lies win sprints but truth wins marathons." Michael Jackson
So he rememebrs exactly everything from 2 years old ? Thats a stright up lie lol
He wanted to learn the dance moves as soon as he saw the video. But he just had to learn to walk first. Strait up bs
I don't even remember myself as a two year old 😅 it's all BS
I can remember several events before I turned 3.
Besides, the guy said that the sexual events with Michal started years later.
Wh didn't oprah do a weinstein aftershow? Oh, that's right..weinstein is her best friend.
@Kieran Shirley check the comment again, it has something to do with this story
Their mothers said that they never told them about the abuse till they went to therapy in 2013 and realized that they were abused in the same documentary wade mother said on 2009 Michael died she was rejoicing that Michael won't be abusing more children. Hahaha wasn't it so funny how they contradict themselves in the same documentary that meant to expose their truths 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What’s Weinstein got to do with Michael Jackson
@@borninthe70sgaming 😂😂😂😂
@@alfiesfitnessforall5309 it has to do with Ophrah Winfrey who was her friend for years and actually defends the two accusators..the incident question.is about her liablity to distinguish criminals and innocents.. she seems confused
Shame on their parents who decided because this man was a star, normal rules of caution didnt apply to him?
Nicki Snyder. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA. They're just lying!!! Michael won alive, and in death. Yayyyy
His estate might have been successful but there’s no way Michael was innocent. People rarely get falsely accused of abuse at the level that Michael was accused of.
@@murphyr31 ya three decades of searches still found nothing sounds like u don't wanna believe
@@murphyr31Watch with open mind and cross check cases I found many dubious Patrice by prosecutor in 2005 case th-cam.com/video/PAdHNtRdSdE/w-d-xo.html
@@peggieudengwuarzuudengwu7531 wining in court doesnt mean it`s real or not
The thing is if I was abused as a kid I wouldn't want a penny of the abuser's cash because the cash is part of the abuser, I'd want justice done.
I guess they can’t really have justice because he has passed away.
Everyone is different and everyone would handle the situation differently. The way you’d handle it mightn’t be the only right way because there is no right way and you don’t know what you’d do in that situation until you are.
@ Lizzie Allen Yes after a physical and psychological trauma so extreme that it took them years to face why would then think about at the lowest point in their life with no money and no prospects " coincidence " no they clearly planned it to get the most out of there lives being broken your an disgrace to all the other idiots trying not to comment
@Unique Bacon Soldier well the " Your a disgrace " bit was motivated by the fact that his comment was extremely idiotic and untrue
You hit the nail on the head
I'm Sorry, But I don't believe them, no matter how much I try to believe it. I feel like it's not true, especially Wade.
I can't Picture Mike doing these things.
I totally agree, I think it was Wade who even said during Michael's 2005 trial that none of it happened, that the story was made up and I think it was just for money 💰 Michael is innocent, he's an Angel in my eyes RIP MICHAEL/KING/LEGEND 🤴🏾🕊👑💙😇🙏 THEY ARE BOTH LIARS
did you know MJ personally? or are you just a boot licker who likes his music? None of these two people "won" anything out of it, especially wade.
@@jdvizcainoarmando is the answer to the "two roaches" wanting us to switch our support from a global winner like MJ to a global loser like these two.
I DON'T SUPPORT ROACHES, they deserve roach spray not my support.
So don't ask me to switch by calling us fans bootlicker that can't make us switch our love of MJ to loving ..... roaches.
LOL.
What I don’t think the interviewer understands is that the non-violent manipulation is horrendously damaging. It’s possibly worse because it’s harder to explain to ourselves and to others. The trap is made in the heart and mind and it’s pretty much impossible to explain to people who’ve never experienced it.
She is very un-prepared and almost lost in her questions. Gayle King you fail.
thats right thats right
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When my son was about eight he got an invitation to go to Neverland with a friend and the friends father. My first thought was why would the parent of his friend think that eight year old kids would be interested in Michael Jackson? MJ just wasn’t in my sons sphere of interests at that age. I didn’t let him go because I simply thought it was weird it seemed really “off”. That was supposed to be for an afternoon. I am floored that these parents just dropped them off and left for a week. WTH!!! The parents are guilty too!
We were all groomed by mj fame
Both their mothers were money hungry. I don't believe them for one second when they said they didn't know. They must have turned a blind eye because they liked how they were "well-looked-after" by MJ. It was their way to live a comfortable life. I'm so disgusted by these two families beyond words. Just pure utter disgust. Ugh.
Onthehill ........كفو
Agree
I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.
basically if true, they were star struck and became manipulated overtime (groomed) . Sad.
Makes sense. Happens everyday in Hollywood.
Definately. I just don't think Macaulay will ever come forward bc he doesnt want to hurt his kids.
Courtney Coley he won’t come forward because nothing happened
Well in that case they possibly got the most easy abuse possible ..there are kids abused much more grossly
Robsons full of crap, his wording is excellent though.
how do you know they're lying? just because someone's a celebrity doesn't mean you should defend them to death. that's wrong. you don't know them.@GoogleLeviticus-
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I didn’t know you could remember things at the age of two.
CreativityMafia THIS!!! I already have problems to remember things from last month man
there are people who have that kind of memory. my brother has extremely VIVID memories from when he was 2, hes 38 this year. surprising, but not impossible.
I have one memory as a toddler...one...that memory has stuck with me bcuz it involved sexual abuse.
It’s true some people don’t remember anything from that age but in my case I was in an accident when I was 14 months old and I remember it
I actually remember my whole life from 2 yrs old. I have pictures of me at 2 that I remember and the house we lived in that year. I dont even remember what I did yesterday
Let’s just imagine hearing all of the cases of the ‘victims’ about a normal man who lived in your neighbourhood?! As it’s not just these two men that have told similar stories is it? Why did MJ always have a young boy by his side?
The difference is the normal man in your neighborhood would do it secretly. MJ never hid anything and even publically made everyone know he brought children in Neverland. Why would a person who has so much interest in abusing children make themselves vulnerable like this? The first sign of pedophilia is he wont make himself vulnerable like this but MJ even spoke about it.
Still doesn't cut the mustard somehow... As that's why some people keep their crimes/illegal dealings in plain sight....Think about it???? What better way for a loved celebrity???? You cannot justify any of this behavior as normal.....NONE OF IT!!!! It's simply because we are blinded by the famous people......A sad but true fact! I loved MJ but I have had to face facts now.....😔💔
elva136 it was a tactic
@@elva136 watch "abducted in plain sight" documentary. it has some similarities with this. It's shocking and crazy
@@kensyskye8965 I am very similar to Michael in many, many ways for many of the same reasons. I love animals and always had a special affinity with children. I could relate to children on their level and that is why they adore me. I could play with them for hours on end. My bed is where we read stories and watch tv. I am 56 and never really emotionally grew up. People perceive me as weird and different. I look at things very differently in life. I think very differently and approach things in life very, very differently. I am definitely not a child molester.
Such a lot of people chose teaching as their vocation because of their love for children. Their jobs are to spend the majority of their time with other peoples' children. Are most or all teachers especially primary (elementary) school teachers pedophiles? Strange how people must always interpret and warp innocence because their own minds can't grasp it.
Liars! Some people will do anything for money.
MJ was abused and mistreated enough during his life. Please stop believing these lies. Let the messages in his music live on, he gave the world so much. I’m very thankful for MJ.
They should sued their parents for leaving them with Micheal.
Margarita Pena they haven’t forgiven their mothers yet.
Margarita Pena they’re working on forgiving their mothers
wtf why would they?? their mothers didn’t abuse them it’s not their fault
Joy Skye why did they left their kids with an adult???!!!
Margarita Pena they should sue you
The Cognitive Dissonance is strong on this page. Everyone seems to be a professional psychologist and criminal investigator.
Indeed.
Its called common sense and decency. Try it.
Jaydee OldBoy please look up the definition of cognitive dissonance.
@@beatrixblitzer747 I know the term well, please tell me how you think I'm wrong, then I can correct you.
@@davidevans3175 You think dismissing claims of sexual and psychological abuse is common sense, and decent...?
Interesting that Wade says he gets triggered and leaves hearing an MJ song as I’ve seen video in my research of all this of him teaching classes on choreography to Michael Jackson songs plus he pushed HARD to be in the Las Vegas Michael Jackson ONE show. Also he gave interviews where he was desperately to show himself as Michael’s protege. Hmmmm.
Yes im sure the maids that also saw him showering with kids was also mad because they didn't get casted in the vegas show.
@@Xplode101 right maybe she need money seeing as Mike is suing her for 1.2 mill n he dead ..its sad ppl cant see he a monster
@@teshuahyisreal158 that maid was fired from neverland for stealing. She later attempted to sue MJ for "wrongful dismissal" that is when she herself was counter sued. She is unreliable just like all the rest. It is sad some people cant see MJ was innocent.
@@reyisnotamarysue1195 she stole a drawing micheal threw in the garbage
@@teshuahyisreal158 her and another alleged witness were found guilty of stealing items from neverland totaling up to 50,000 dollars in value. She and her husband had were also found to have defrauded a relative's children of money from thier estate.
She also recieved thousands for selling her story to the tabloids
As someone who had worked with children and juveniles that had experienced sexual abuse, I can tell you that this is the exact way lots of those children have described these terrible experiences. Everything they say is something I've heard victims of sexual abuse say before more than once.
I was a lifelong Michael Jackson fan until I saw this documentary, and it shocked me to the core. I always thought he was a weird guy and too touchy and strange with kids... but I loved hiw music.
After watching the documentary and these interviews I can't listen to any MJ songs anymore.
I am telling you - I've heard these exact words and stories many times before... Lots of people don't step forward about childhood abuse until they're in their 40s due to shame and embarrassment, due to people not believing them, due to not wanting to re-live the nightmare.
And you try to keep it down but it will eventually boil over because pain ALWAYS resurfaces like a balloon that you're trying to push under water.
This is common behavior and these guys speak just like the people I used to work with.
This is so heartbreaking and sad. And scary.
Joy Robson spoke on the "bed" thing in the 1993 Investigation of Michael Jackson. I have Wade's OWN MOTHER discussing this in 1993 investigation and I WILL LOAD what she said for you to hear it. She said "I've been in Michael's room when the kids are there and they play so hard that they fall asleep on the bed....nothing more to it." This was DURING the 1993 investigation of Michael when Wade was 10 years old. Wade was also questioned and he stated about those chandler case and he said IT'S "SICK" because he knows for a "FACT" MJ wouldn't do anything like that. Michael Jackson's investigation lasted 14 months when the statue of limitation to process as a crime to 1998. So Wade wants us to believe MJ was STILL molesting him from 10 to 14 when he stated it's SICK???
Stop lying. How can it be the "exact way" when both of these men participated in Michael Jackson's CRIMINAL investigations??? Wade as an ADULT walked into Michael Jackson's CRIMINAL TRIAL and said he did nothing. So do "victims" testify on behalf of their accusers in a criminal courtroom? NO!
Look when it comes to MJ I've always said I don't know whether he did all the things he was accused of or not, but he was found not guilty in a court of law. All the "proof" people have is stories that Michael isn't here defend himself against. And if he did hurt kids in any way then of course it's horrible, but it's also horrible if MJ didn't do those things and people label him a pedophile.
I completely believe these guys are telling the truth
@@charellesexii6555 sure you believe them. Not! Are you a bot? There is NO WAY at this point anyone would believe them with all the LIES exposed. It's all about MONEY now and I can PROVE it. 🤣
We really need to prevent our children from seeing entertainers as "other worldly" Nothing good comes from that.
James Edinger. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!!! Research the entire loss.
Yes, they take idols to another level to almost worshiping them
Idolatry is very dangerous
They are lying through the body language alone.
Michael had the neurological condition synesthesia which causes some of the senses to be blended together. Sound has colour, he could see the sound, lots of people who have synesthesia are good at art. The cause is either extra connections between brain cells, or a lack inhibition in the brain. Teach the children neuroscience. It seemed magical what Michael did, science can explain it though.
I have so many mixed feelings about this. If any of this is true, I'm sickened by it. I also blame the parents. Never leave your child alone to sleep with a grown adult. However if all of this is fabricated, I'm sickened by the fact that an innocent man lays in his grave accused of something he didn't do.
Sounds real to me.
The parents knew😔😒
Give them a lie detector test and then we’ll talk about it
Why do you still doubt it when many victims are sharing their story. It was always sick for a grown man to have sleepovers with other people's small male children
I feel the exact same way....mixed feelings...one side of me feels he wouldn't hurt a fly due to his soft spoken, shy, nice kind demeanor but then i look at the obsession he had with little white boys then the fact that he changed his entire appearance to look like a white man. Its the obsession with whiteness that kinda had me suspicious.
I gotta say that it is really hard not to fault the parents, at least a little bit.
Why are people more incensed about the parents than the actual child abuser?
The parents are just as guilty as the pedophile. They basically gave him the "take my kid because you are Michael Jackson" card.
Parents were stupid....kids were trusting...jackson was the actual problem. He was smart and even lisa Marie and some of the Jackson's in previous interviews said he was very manipulative.
I believe these men and it's a damn shame because when I watch this man perform..he was an amazing artist...very sad.
Since he started show business so very young...and was so gentle and trusting and adorable....I wonder who did this to him. I 100 percent believe someone was molesting him.
You are right! It was all about the money
Tempty65 parents are not as guilty as the child abuser. You are a disgusting human to even say that.
All lies!
Not hard for me to understand as I was abused by a teacher from age 11 to 13, and was afraid to tell my parents for fear of my Dad killing the teacher. Couldn’t handle all of that in my immature mind. Finally told my mom when I was in my 30s and she was devastated. My Dad passed away when I was in my 20s, so he never knew.
OMG!! How did this happen?! I'm so sorry to hear this 😔
At three years old a very trusted ( & famous) uncle was 'baby-sitting' me (while mom was at the doctors) and violated my 'privacy' - terrifying & hurting me = until his wife saw, began screaming and
got hysterical! I didn't remember this ~ until I was a grown woman with three daughters! It was most
shocking when that memory 'returned'.!... THEN I finally knew why I was 'different' in how I reacted to
to 'life' in general! Altho they had moved far away, I did make contact and was able to to let him know
that God gave me the grace to actually forgive him, & I told him that God would also forgive him, and
that Jesus went willingly to the cross and shed His blood = to pay for the very sins we commit. By the
time the knowledge of that incident had 'returned' I had myself learned the reality of the scripture that promises "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus, our Lord."
That is right out of the Holy Bible's book of Romans ch.6, vs. 23! In the same book in ch. 5 it tells us
"But God commendeth his love toward us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." vs. 8.
That covers it all.
@@carolmartin2503 I'm so sorry this happened. I'm veré encouraged by your story 🥰
If my kid told me someone else was sexually molesting my son or daughter, he/she is on my hit list right there and then! No mercy!
Ewe a teacher 🥴🫤 glad I can’t relate. It’s always the person you least expect
Children in show business have a much higher chance of being exploited and abused. Any abuse is traumatic and heartbreaking. When you look at statistics, almost 100% of child molesters experienced abuse also as a child. It is highly likely that Michael Jackson suffered at the hands of handlers, producers, etc.. as a child in the industry.
I saw a long video about him being abused as a small child by QJ
@@zainaraqs Sorry, but who is Q.J.?, if you don't mind sharing. I could not find video, thanks! 🙂
@@joletty1793 Quincy Jones
@@benitotorres3157 Thank you!!!
The media gives ALL of the so called victims of MJ credibility. They even protect their OBVIOUS LIES to help them. It's really funny too. I can still remember MJ's trial in 2005 when the Arvizo's took the stand and jurors WERE LAUGHING. It was really funny when they claimed MJ abducted Gavin AFTER the Bashir documentary aired and THAT'S when the assault occurred for the FIRST TIME. There abduction lie was PROVEN with receipts of them OUT DINING during their abduction. 🤣
They couldn't turn the Arvizo story into a documentary because people would have been laughing. I would have liked to have seen the part of them claiming they tried to escape Neverland in MJ's hotair balloon. 🤣 They couldn't turn the Chandler case into a documentary either with his tape phone conversation saying "If I go through with this I WIN BIG TIME....I WILL GET EVERYTHING I WANT." Since these 2 didn't have credible stories, they decided to INVENT one with Wade and James since there's NEVER went under cross examination.
I guess the Train House that NEVER existed would be the laughing stock of James' testimony since in his documentary he put such a focus on it with the wedding and repeated fake assaults in the invisible Train House. 🤣Wade's would be asked about appearing in a criminal trial now claiming he LIED in a CRIMINAL TRIAL when he stated MJ NEVER TOUCHED HIM. I have NEVER seen a molestation trial where the victim gets on the stand to LIE in a criminal trial risking going to prison for 5 years for Perjury. I would like to see the parts where he and his wife were at MJ's Neverland or what he called "sacred land" in 2007 filming. I guess the defense attorney could call it "Return to Neverland."🤣
I would also like to see the letter James sent to MJ's Estate wanting to do a tribute to him in Vegas called One. You do realize his accusation came AFTER he was rejected then sued the Estate for a billion dollars. 🤣 Or Wade participating in a dance routine with Janet at the 2009 MTV Award. I would also like to include the write up he did for MJ's Opus in 2009 where he said MJ is such a caring person and said he is "enchanting the HEAVENS."
@ 11:04 he said they were in another part of Cali but earlier he said they went to the Grand Canyon. I’m not from America but I’m pretty sure that’s in Arizona. 🤷🏿♂️
They don't even know how to lie 😂
It’s not unheard of to go to the Grand Canyon while visiting California
MOONWALKER FOREVER lmfao I’m chortling at 3:00 am pls send help
Its very common to go from Cali to Grand Canyon and Las Vegas, especially for tourists...because taking buses to go to both places is the cheaper route.
@@Yahuah222 I lived in California. I can confirm it's a very long drive. It's not just something you go spend 4 hours at and go back.
Its vey easy to accuse someone when the guy passe away? Why they iin t talk about when mukael was alive i don t believe it
They did, you just ignored it
The parents are as much to blame !!! I feel so sorry for children who aren't sufficiently protected by their parents.😭😭
I made friend with their parents because I was sincerely interested in random suburban moms and the interesting details of their lives....
I hear you but Michael Jackson is the one to blame. Poor judgement by the parents not protecting their children but I don't believe they're as much to blame. They SHOULD be blamed for what they did, or rather for what they Didn't do, keeping them away from this man but the sexual abuse is all on Jackson.
@@thomasmarthinussen8978 The only victim in this entire ordeal is Jackson himself. I think any survivor of sexual abuse would be disgusted at these men if they just dug even a little bit into these accusations. It’s completely preposterous.
@@TrueScaress You know for a fact Jackson is innocent?
@@thomasmarthinussen8978 I do. And if you don’t, I don’t blame you. But, once you look into these allegations it’s more than obvious.
Everyone seems to be getting on Michael Jackson but what about the parents? How are they not held accountable as well. You don't leave a 7 year old with a grown man
Freddy Tolbert because it wasn't their fault I mean micheal Jackson invited them to his house who would of said no. and there parents didn't know he was a peado either and if it's anyone's fault it's micheals if the stories are true anyway but tbh I think I believe micheal the most .
You do if you know the grown man well. Who do you think people leave their kids with when they get a babysitter?
not only that buy he was 5 when he met mj
@@annlanders978 usually an older child
Good point but I think the fact that Michael came across so childlike, innocent, and asexual probably made the parents comfortable, not to mention I'm sure he was grooming the parents as well as the kids. And their kids were so happy with him. There probably were many parents who did not allow their children to stay at Michael's but for some reason the parents of these two trusted him. Alas.
This comments section is toxic. Michael Jackson stans had their minds made up years ago. Nothing will change that. Personally, I can't know for sure either way based on all of the evidence that's been made public. And growing up, I loved MJ, and still love his music and get nostalgia when I see old music videos, t-shirts, etc. He was a legend and an icon. But some of the undeniable details, like how he slept in the same bed with kids and told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing a bed with kids, is troubling. As is the fact he paid $25M in a settlement to Chandler (another accuser). That is similar to what Bishop Eddie Long reportedly shelled out to settle his accusations. Do innocent people pay $25M to a single accuser just to, as MJ claimed, avoid a "long and drawn out" situation? Again, I don't know the truth...but unlike many, I won't claim to. I pray none of it's true.
But the public made up their mind a long time ago as well. You do remember the witch hunt on MJ, right? In a lot of people's eyes, MJ is seen as guilty simply for the fact he looked different. So it goes both ways.
The 20 Million settlement was paid by Michael's insurance company. Michael wanted to take it to court but his label company wouldn't allow it, so they came with the solution if the money eye doesn't come out of his pocket whether he would settle and he did. Another thing, even though the Chandlers received settlement they still could go ahead and testify in the criminal case in 2005 and they refused to testify. If your child was molested would you let the perpetrator get away and chase after money? No you wouldn't. Also Evan Chandler drugged his son to get a testimony out of him, the drugs he used is a hallucination drugs and you can make someone believe whatever you want while they're on that drugs. Prior to being drugged by his father Jordan has always said that he wasn't molested by Michael. Needless to say father and son weren't on speaking terms after that and Evan got arrested for besting up Jordan. Evan Chandler killed himself few months after Michael died. Jordan Chandler and Gaving Arvizo were both also approached to be part of the leaving Neverland documentary and both declined to participate.
Yes many people pay to settle a nuisance claim and the money he paid was nothing to what he was worth and could make going forward. Do the research.
Leaving Neverland take 2 full documentary is quite good on his life
He didn't pay them, his insurance company did
They both have sad eyes. They somehow look similar. Not that they have similar facial features, but the sadness in their eyes.
Please stop they are horrible actors tell them to get a job.
And STOP lying ... smh
I was thinking the same thing!
The reason why is because if these LIES don't fool anybody, they will remain a BUM 😂.
You’re an idiot for allowing them to fool you like that
I believe them ...🕵🏻♂️🤔
I am struggling to believe these guys because under oat one of them testimony that MJ was a good person and would never ever abuse anyone!
I can relate when he said : “I almost feel guilty that I said anything” because when I was molested as a child I felt guilty of talking about it because of the consequences that happened later like everybody knowing asking me and also doubting it . Some people made me feel like it was my fault .
Yeah except he is a proven liar and you aren't. It's never the victims fault. Hope you are well .. ♥️
Yes that is a weapon used by predators.
@@AustinKinsey95 thank you and yes I am it happened when I was 5 I’m 24 now and happy than ever
the difference is you was a child this is a grown man
I felt the same way. I always felts it was my fault. When my parents found out I still felt that way because they said why didn't you say something and they couldn't believe it after years of abuse from my uncle. They still after finding out didn't hug me or say I'm sorry or anything super messed up
I totally believe this guys, people is blind because this monster was hiding behind a great performer, but he was totally guilty of this allegations
He‘s dead!!! he can not defend himself .
Melissa Medina well you are an idiot!
Yeah. He may have been a genius but he was sick.
@@morganwells_13 You're in denial....
@@Juliemausii1 He already did when he was alive. And because he was guilty, he paid millions to the family of the victim accusing him. Innocent people don't do that. They fight for the truth.
Liars. Wade was Michael's main defense witness in 2005. He then didn't get the job to choreograph MJ's Cirque du Soleil shows after requesting for the job himself and then turned all bitter and came up with all this.
Safechuchuck with Michael and Lisa as a teen here holding the pink umbrella th-cam.com/video/VRm8FN1uW2I/w-d-xo.html
Wade dated Michael's niece Brandi Jackson for 8 years as a teen. How does Michael groom Wade to be his lover while he's dating Brandi? Why did Dan Reed pretend she didn't exist?
What would Brandi be able to add to the story? That we shouldn’t believe Wade become cheated on her? That she doesn’t believe it happened because Michael is her uncle? She’s irrelevant unless she witnessed the molestation.
She has everything to do with it. If Michael’s “grooming” meant that he was supposed to dislike women, him and Brandi wouldn’t have dated. He also wouldn’t have slept around with Brittney Spears and God knows who else. Sounds like someone putting his own failures on a man who gave him and his family everything, whom also isn’t here to defend himself.
jarrett battle That’s not part of Michael’s grooming, as you call it. That was part of Michael’s jealousy. He was so insecure and manipulative at his core, he felt the need to discourage underage boys from having crushes on women. The grooming was when he isolated them from their parents, bribed they’re parents with gifts and money(Latoya admitted she saw checks with James name on them), and convinced those boys that the sexual relationship they had was normal.
Since you’re convinced of Michael’s guilt, look up Wade’s 2016 deposition, then watch Leaving Neverland again. Also, look up Joy’s 1993 and 2016 deposition. To say Michael was jealous would make Brandi’s story a lie (and, seeing how she speaks, I don’t believe she is). This stuff isn’t old news; why does everyone who knows Michael and Wade, defend Michael?? Everyone has said the same thing about Wade: that he’s an opportunist. I’m not goofy enough to believe that even Joy Robson would leave her kids with Michael.
@@TatiSaysSo What kind of person lies about being forced to testify in court when they weren't? Wade Robson was not forced to testify like he said in the movie. The private investigator confirmed it. He's a proven liar .
Never (land) leave ur kids alone with a man!!
Men are not the only people capable of sexual abuse
Yo, chill.
Agree
S Mc or women
William f. So defensive.
The MJ fans seem sooo cultish in the comments defending him so much. So weird..
And all the media junkies that believe this utter money ratings and headline grabbing. 2 hetrosexual men aged 22 and 27 defended in court or sworn statement a man that supposedly abused them as kids. Are you thick or just stupid
mj's fans are the dumbest people that have ever lived. its a shame.
His first sentence says he says that he remembers being aware at the age of two…..Lies! 😂😂😂
just because your mind is weak doesnt mean other peoples minds are, i have memories from when i was 2
Memories often start at the age of 3 but they can also start much earlier. It's not uncommon for children to have their first memories at 18 months and 2 years old. There is a whole world out there of people who say they remember the day of their birth with extensive detail and are being studied atm. But regardless of whether or not he remembers him at the age of two, I don't doubt his story for one second. I 100% believe both of them
@diagohernandez7497
Uhm...I remember things consciously from when I was 6 months old.
As a body psychotherapist I can tell you, that people can have early memories. Often it's from a more sensory perspective. Then they can sometimes place it, because they later reconstruct the place for example.
I think the interviewer did a good job of bringing both the Jackson family perspective and the victims' experience to the forefront without disrespecting them or seeking a sensationalistic angle.
You have the most intelligent and sensible comment on the video. You're not lashing out at anybody, just calmly making an observation. Good job.
She doesn't ask very deep questions. She tries but it's a bit simple.
“The interviewer” y’all know this is no random interviewer, right?
@@meganoliphant1371 lol. Not everyone who comments is from the US. She is not internationally famous like Oprah
Personally i thought she was rude, how she question them, made them look and feel bad, like thet just want the money, i notice a lot more about her , how she looked with certain question s she ask the men, something definitely wrong, with her
i hope everyone knows that this is bs. do your research
They lie
really how so i’m confused about this what proves rgeynlie
They deserve Oscars for this performance
@@p1sces.g1rl I don't think anyone knows the truth but Michael and all the children. Non of us can assure anything because now a days anything is possible. if it's true or not the parents are the first to blame, because you never ever take your eyes of your children with any one. It is well known family members abuse kids what can you expect from strangers. Not saying he did but the danger is avoided. Def. we can't say they are lying nor that they are saying the truth.
@@timpelletier1995 they're bad actors, they definitely don't deserve oscars
You can say the nicest people in the world could do the wrong things no one could expect
LIAAAAAAAARRRSSSS, U GUUUUYS ARE OBSESSED WITH MONNNEEEEYYYY
Watching thriller at the age of two. Did I hear correctly
Tino Turton its all lies.
They up here looking stupid 😂
I saw Thriller at age 3. Freaked me out to be honest.
Yes sound wrong... like he have good memory at a young age
You can tell that they are lying
There was a guy I grew up with since kindergarten. He would come into my work with a group of all younger boys . I was 18-19 at the time and he would come into my job with any where between 10-16 year old boys and I always thought it was weird . My friend and her family lived on his street and I specifically told her to keep her kids away from this guy because he is weird and always has a trail of young kids with him. Soon after this he was convicted of molesting 2 dozen kids . He got a 360 year prison sentence . Always follow your gut . No man or grown adult who hangs wit a bunch of younger children is normal idc what you say. 90 percent of the time there’s always bad intentions behind it . I believe MJ was a molester and many others do as well. We will never 100 percent know the truth . But just go on personal experiences and body language of the people Involved .
@GoogleLeviticus19-29 Michael Jackson lied about a lot of things.
He was a master manipulator.
@GoogleLeviticus19-29 yes dude tell them , They are liars and Michael Jackson will be forever innocent and you all can't change this truth 😀👍
These guys are lying.
U know the fbi investigated him for 10 yrs and found not no thing. So all u haters stfu
@GoogleLeviticus19-29 Oprah is a child molester herself….are yah that Blind??????
They are making false and misleading statements. They are actually thinking carefully about what they gonna say before they answer the questions.
Right ?
So someone who has been abused and it haunts your for life yet in this interview they don’t shed one tears talking about it. If these dudes did lie, they should be thrown in prison. Not only false accusations against him but it could or will destroy Michael legacy. I understand the struggles. Yet defended him in a courtroom.. doesn’t add up.
They are not lying now. Many victims defend their abusers at first.
@@michaeljacksonsaguiltypref3600 I have been through something similar to this before, I didn’t wait decades to come out and say something, I stood up and told my parents and they had him arrested in the first week. I never let anyone keep me from saying anything and I sure as hell didn’t defend him for it. Plus if you have watched they didn’t shed one tear talking about it. If something like that happens and you can’t even shed a tear talking about it then your obviously making this up. They made it up with the help of their parent.
@@laneredick3816 everyone's experience is different. What they went through and and the effects it causes obviously different to what you experienced. Michael Jackson groomed and abused his victims over years.
I was also been abused when i was six by my first grade teacher. Now im 26 and never told anyone about it.
Why havent you
Broke Girl You’re a very strong person. Keep your head up. 💕
It’s very commin
Cause u like it....stupid girl...what do u think is it good for you not telling about it anyone.....u don't have any right to comment about it here...first go n say all about ur first grade teacher to ur parents ...then comments it how u succeed in life
lovely arman i chose to stay silent because i knew there are always people with the same brain as you :) have a good day sir.
hahaha James lawsuit got dismissed, the greedy liar won't get anything.
Wade too
He was two and still remember his first time seeing mj what a memory bro..I can't even remember where the bathroom is in my own house
😭😂
Lol😂🤣🤣
Says a lot about you and not him
Lol 😆 I know how could anyone, remember being a 2 Yr old kid, it's all money, no way would all this pretence would exist if MJ was alive, bloody gold diggers, no guilt either 😉
@Candice Lynn who are you to tell me how to think, from a realistic view, MJ was an angel sent to this earth, to help the vulnerable, people just don't grasp this kindness & a child like unconditional love, I had a very similar life to MJ, let him rest In peace 💙
I believe them. And those who say theyre just looking for money well duh! Call it reparations.
You believe, youre happy and highly inspired. Fortunately, justice conducts
enquiries; its more empiric but more respectfull of humankind, dont you think so ?
@@Nina-px6zihere I’ll repeat that blah blah blah ur welcome lmao
There are not many young men that will confess about being abused. They fear that if people know it will make them less of a man. No one should hold it against them.
I'm not Michael Jackson's fan but I believe he is 100% innocent.
Just cos it's all over doesn't mean it should be believe.
Only God judges!!
God made his judgment: MJ is dead. Made him pay for everything.
@Ruxandra-Adriana and you are a victim blamer. Shame on you
I believed them, the way he hoard children is out of character. No normal people do that.
@@madikiestherkhiangte9884they lied.
@@anma8054what 😂
At 4 my abuser/stepfather explicitly told me when we heard my mom knock on the front door was don’t say anything to your mom about this or “will” get in trouble. How many four year olds want to get in trouble. I never said anything till I was a mother of two. My life has been molded around this pain and trauma. It’s not fair to me or anyone who’s been abused in any way.
That's horrible, you have my sincerest sympaties 🙏🏼♥️
I'm so sorry April. How are you doing❤
James Safechuck who was born February 28, 1978 and was 14 in 1992. He
claims it happened to him from 10 to 14 (1988-1992). He claims he had a
wedding ceremony at at the Neverland Train House at the beginning of the
relationship and it happened up on the 2nd floor of the Train House all
the time. One BIG problem with his story. Michael's Neverland Train
House was not built until June 1994 when James was 16 and TALLER than
MJ. lol. So his made up tale came before the Train House was built and
when James was 16. Michael had the Chandler case in 1993 and James was
defending him and said no such thing happened. Not only did he defend
him, when MJ and LM were married in May 1994, they appeared in Bucharest
in August 1994 when James was 16 (there are photos of James carrying
the unbrella for MJ and LM) and he is TALLER than MJ. lol James mother
also came on the trip. Now for LN, he claims MJ did not have contact
with him after he became an adolescent. lol The lies are NEVER ENDING.
The only one's falling for this is those who were not born and can't
follow timelines. That's why James and Wade did this in MJ's death
because they thought no one would know. But MJ was so famous and had so
many fans, they kept up with EVERYTHING MJ. I even have a video on my
channel from October 1993 raid of Neverland, a reporter mentions MJ was
about to build his Train. lol That's how Safechuck got caught in his
lie of repeatedly raped at the train house from 10 to 14 (1988 to
1992). lol You can also check out the real reason James joined the Wade
lawsuit by watching the video on youtube called "Revealed! Why Safechuck
is REALLY Suing Michael Jackson!"
I'm so sorry that happened to you
@@bereal6590 I'm sorry for her story too but she can't project what happened to her on a story UNRELATED to her situation. Wade and James are liars and they are making a mockery out of REAL victims for their own selfish financial gain and it's SICK.
The two protagonists, Safechuck and Robson, said they had testified in court at the time that MJ had not molested them because they were obsessed with being able to defend and save him in court. How can you make such a false statement and how can you want to defend someone like that when you have been wronged? They also said that they did not even realize that injustice was being done to them. If you have studied MJ, studied him, his body language, his gestures, his life, his behavior, then you can never believe such accusations. The research takes a lot of time, but you can't judge someone if you haven't walked in their shoes. I took the time for months. I must note that I have never been a fan of MJ and his music, but I despise people's superficialities, which have reached their peak since the existence of social networks. I feel the need to expose injustices. To me, MJ is clearly the victim. His life story is the saddest I have ever heard of... It's so disgusting to blame someone who can no longer defend themselves. The director and the protagonists should be ashamed
You’re sick and twisted.
You clearly understand nothing about how sexual abuse undermines someone's sense of boundaries and being wronged or not. It gets all twisted. A common pattern in victims is, to feel guilty and as if they had responsibility for this happening. It's called the predator-victim confusion. Victims can feel as if they are the one harming the predator. Because it's harder to accept, that someone abused and violated you, than that oneself did something, so the idea of the love that the predator supposedly has doesn't need to be given up.
So
And as a therapist and survivor MJ showed in the clip with the boy that in a childish way of wanting to tease MJ back spills about MJ claim that he only loves him, when he sleeps in a bed with him, the brief non verbal interaction when he realises that he said something that upset MJ and his voicing that 'he finally gave in' and the whole interaction is so manipulative, abuse 1x1. So I don't know what you've studied, bit that was clear and loud
Anybody who believes these two fools I swear.. I lost faith in humanity
Don’t think I believe this
The LieDoc video I just posted should answer all your questions on these 2 liars. I made it a comedy because IT IS. 🤣 We should all be laughing.
Molestation is wrong!! I'm shocked that parents would leave their children with a stranger even if he's a celebrity.
Mj didnt do enything he is inoccent🤬
@@obliixus5142 No he's not
@@zyarapouria2177 shut up🤬
Whene you dont have any prooves that he did it how can you say that his guilty🤬🤬🤬🤬
@@zyarapouria2177 and these guys are telling a lie
it was not molestation, there was sexual acts involved.
If you just listen to what they are saying things don't add up. MJ told them if anyone finds out they will both go to jail. But they dont see anything wrong with what they are doing.
Watch the full documentary, they address this
Dey were kids😭😭
@@valenfarous3150 kids lie, adults lie, love of money is the root of evil.
@@valenfarous3150 I was never as stupid about sex as they want us to believe kids are. If someday to me what they said happened to them I would have known it was wrong at any age. I think these two colaberated and fabricated all this BS.
@@KnightOfGod-y7n This is all a big money making, scripted out, me too hoax, In my opinion. It's all BS.
Actually, even if it was for money, it could still be true.
If I were abused like that, then yeah I'd want something for it. The estate should just settle. That would be the decent thing to do. Create a fund for all the boys...
But you know Michael's mother will never believe this about her dead child. Whatever the truth there is a lot of tragedy going around.
Yep.
@Dnomyar Akunawik
If there is even a tiny chance then they should WANT to help these men. But they just want to protect the future fortune Jackson's estate will generate.
If true they are abusing these victims again. And attacking victims sexual abuse is adding to that abuse.
Yeah it could totally be both. I can't say I blame them. They want Michael found guilty/ want money for there suffering. I don't see the problem.
@@Psychol-Snooper That's EXACTLY how I feel. The only thing the Jackson care about is protecting their cash cow. It's so ironic to me that they claim the guys just want money. The freaking hypocrisy! And I honestly think the siblings know Michael was sick. He was always "different". But admitting that would hurt their estate.
They seem like there lying. Look at the body language.
Are you a specialist? What's your degree?
@@fitolabrak88 yes I have a masters in physiology from the university of Delaware.
I used to think MJ really did this to these kids but now I just don't believe them. The more I look into what these men have said about what happened, where it happened and when don't line up. .One of them claimed they were assaulted in the train station of the ranch but it hadn't even been built yet. In separate interviews Wade gives two separate answers to questions relating to the first time it happened and how old he was. I also think the timing is convenient for both of them. It's easy to claim victim when the one you're accusing is no longer here. So I believed he was guilty at one point but now I believe they're lying. And guilty or not, shame on the parents for allowing this to happen. Stranger danger applies to everyone no matter how famous they are.
Yeah the stories definitely don’t add up
You know I am very torn. I would love to think MJ was innocent but what do these guys have to gain by telling their story. MJ was found innocent in court for these aligations. Double jeopardy is a thing and also he is dead. So what can they gain? Maybe a little money for interviews but nothing worth having to speak about these things to the world. Idk. I'm very torn. MJ had such a bad childhood it all very well could of been him just trying to be a child again and nothing happened. But I don't think we all will ever know the full truth.
I can’t believe people believe there bs easy money grab where is the proof the man is innocent
I have a couple friends that were sexually abused as children, now we are all adults, and they have told me about it. My one friend even got pregnant by this guy. Her daughter is a successful attorney married with 3 daughters, and my friend has NEVER TOLD ANYONE except me. She would never tell her daughter that her father was a pedaphile. You have to weigh who you are going to hurt the most.
i really hope they have support in terms of therapy/peer support because the damage is so great from that. it helps so much just to have a professional listen to you and believe you and validate your experiences and feelings. plus developjng strategies and even healing. Youre not qualified to be the only one who knows, i feel really sad if thats the case. and of course professionals dont share the info with anyone.
The friend that was sexually assaulted who had a successful daughter was an amazing strong mother to keep that out of her daughters life so she can concure the world
James Safechuck who was born February 28, 1978 and was 14 in 1992. He
claims it happened to him from 10 to 14 (1988-1992). He claims he had a
wedding ceremony at at the Neverland Train House at the beginning of the
relationship and it happened up on the 2nd floor of the Train House all
the time. One BIG problem with his story. Michael's Neverland Train
House was not built until June 1994 when James was 16 and TALLER than
MJ. lol. So his made up tale came before the Train House was built and
when James was 16. Michael had the Chandler case in 1993 and James was
defending him and said no such thing happened. Not only did he defend
him, when MJ and LM were married in May 1994, they appeared in Bucharest
in August 1994 when James was 16 (there are photos of James carrying
the unbrella for MJ and LM) and he is TALLER than MJ. lol James mother
also came on the trip. Now for LN, he claims MJ did not have contact
with him after he became an adolescent. lol The lies are NEVER ENDING.
The only one's falling for this is those who were not born and can't
follow timelines. That's why James and Wade did this in MJ's death
because they thought no one would know. But MJ was so famous and had so
many fans, they kept up with EVERYTHING MJ. I even have a video on my
channel from October 1993 raid of Neverland, a reporter mentions MJ was
about to build his Train. lol That's how Safechuck got caught in his
lie of repeatedly raped at the train house from 10 to 14 (1988 to
1992). lol You can also check out the real reason James joined the Wade
lawsuit by watching the video on youtube called "Revealed! Why Safechuck
is REALLY Suing Michael Jackson!"
Something is fishy about this story! Why would your friend who was a victim of a sexual assault even wanted to give birth and keep the child that was conceived by rape? She could have had an abortion or put the baby up for adoption. That's like marrying her assailant and keeping his child. That doesn't make no sense! The only person she told, was you? she didn't call the police, or even tried to get her rapist convicted and prosecuted, after committing a sex crime? She allowed him get away with it, so he can continue on raping, victimizing and impregnate other women? He should be incarcerated. Sorry, but your story just doesn't sound feasible at all! It's very obvious that your friend is not telling you the whole story, that's If it's true at all because, it could've been consensual.
@@slimdude2011 My new videos will END the lies of these 2 for good. See the only one's falling for it are the one's who without the details. But I've turned LN into a hilarious COMEDY 😂 as it should be.
They’re both so feminine. I believe it, they loved him and as they said he didn’t cause physical pain but it is very sick and very very twisted what he did. They didn’t want him in jail because they didn’t feel pain and were brainwashed to fall in love with him but it is still gross and twisted and probably didn’t realize when they were young that abuse doesn’t mean it has to hurt physically. So sad..
What did he lie to Oprah about I don't remember
Do you actually believe those two clowns??? Jez, use your brain and do some research!
I noticed the feminine mannerisms too.
Liar liar lair, this is all about money.
Safechucks mother: I was so happy when Michael died in 2009 and can’t harm any other child. I danced.
Safechuck: I did not realise until 2013 that I had been abused. I got therapy and then realised and then told my mom about it.
Safechuck: Michael abused me at Grammys 1989 in LA
Facts: MJ neither attended nor performed at Grammy’s 1989 LA
Safechuck: MJ took me to Euro Disney in 1988 for our honeymoon
Facts: Euro Disney was not open until 1992
People have found so many contradictions in this film that every time a contradiction is indicated it gets cut from the doc. New version released in U.K was cut 45 minutes short. This documentary is a lie.
You need help if you’re digging this deep to try to ruin the credibility of a victim of child sex abuse. And for what, to defend your favorite pop star? Pathetic.
@@Littlethelionnah bc real can see real, anyone with a brain can call bs for what it is
don't you believe people can lie for money enough money to settle down enough money to lie
money is root of all evil
Safechuck's mum sort of knew because her son refused to defend him in his second trial. But she wouldn't address it.
Other discrepancies can exist because childhood memories are tricky.
But if these children can explain such abuse consistently.. and pass lie detectors and suffer all the signs of adults dealing with child sexual abuse later in life... I mean, why wont you believe them?
I am a huge MJ fan. I will never stop loving and idolizing him - the artist. But it seems clear that he did also have sexual relations with small boys. He can be both a hero and a very misguided damaged man with mental health issues who did these things to small boys. Not because he's evil. But because he was a traumatized individual with mental health issues.
Wade Robson sounds very convincing... which he also did during the trial as he said the allegations were ridiculous and that Michael was completely innocent. So we know for a fact that he can lie convincingly... the question is just which story really was a lie?
Follow the money
They want money, not justis. Says it all.
@@elisabethgreene2002 I think most people have seen through these two-faced liars by now. When I was younger I believed the first allegations against Michael, but many years later I tried to read up on all this stuff with a more open mind and came to the conclusion there is absolutely nothing of substance that indicates that Michael is guilty. In lots of other cases it is kind of obvious even though it cannot be legally proven, but in this case there is not even that. There is a very strong possibility that Michael is innocent of all charges, and if that truly is the case, then it is heartbreaking what was done to him.
They are lying to their teeth. Even with all the training and acting their doing… I even feel like they using what other victims say for their gain. Smh. Sick people
Agree totally..it’s so obvious …I can’t believe that this is possible to happen
I can't believe people believe them. The one on the right slept with Brittany Spears while she was with Justin Timberlake. He just wants attention.
And fun fact
Wade always protected Michael until he became broke
Great parents (slow clap)
Monica Merino honestly
you should check their LEAKED VIDEO which exposed them as frauds, they cheated you all! check their leaked video for yourself, dont let your sympathy for victims to be misused by anyone who has the motive of money : leavingneverlandtruth.blogspot.com/p/documentariesvideos-that-exposes-truth.html
Personally, I don't believe them.
They've both admitted being liars so who would?!
Kathy Hale. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck and HBO. On April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA 🇺🇸 Case Closed!!! Research the entire loss. This is old.
If they ever lied it was to protect him
@@stephanie3848 Protect him?? They lied in Leaving Neverland documentary. almost destroying his legacy for fame, and 💰 and lost all of their cases....Again!!!
@@stephanie3848 could you explain that? (I'm just curious, no hate)
Those commenting in favour of this paedophile not being a paedophile, have you even watched the whole documentary?
Yeah I watched it. I’m a fan of documentaries and this one was pretty mediocre. There weren’t any facts or any evidence that Michael abused them other then them saying he did so..Sorry they just aren’t believable.
@@Wallescontent that's the thing though about allegations and accusations- often none of them can be either proven or unproven and usually the judge and jury in these cases have no idea who's telling the truth. They think loads of the accusations against Jimmy Saville are lies by people trying to get money...or in the Dustin Hoffman accusations loads of people on set dispute the allegations the women said....I am at the stage where I don't know who to believe anymore in these cases.
@@shanefolan totally me too
Had you seen the trial.micheal not guilty in 2 trial public record.and the other boys admitted they lied for money
The thing that I question most is, if this is true why aren't there many more accusers? The man had close unsupervised access to literally hundreds of thousands of kids all over the world on a daily... Yet we have a handful of accusers, of which 1 publicly admitted to lying due after growing up due to pressure from his money seeking father.. the other proven untrue in criminal court and a mother with a history of fraud and then these two with a history of perjury, money seeking schemes and a chip on their shoulder as if the world owes them. They sue a massive estate only after their story cannot be questioned. Hummm...🧐
Because their lies are all finally falling apart. One of the accusers at 31 years old begged and pleaded to dance for a Michael Jackson tribute show. Why would a victim want to dance in front of the whole world to honor his abuser??? Once he got rejected, he went and tried to get money from the estate. When that didn’t work out either and his feelings were hurt, that’s when this mockumentary came about.
Which accuser admit the truth and where can I find it?
@@ΜαριανναΓεωργιου-κ1σ The first one, the one that got that settlement, the father committed suicide. The father was caught on auto tape plotting with another on how he was "pull this off" stating he was gonna humiliate MJ so bad with these false allegations that he sure he'd settle for millions etc, Well after the boy grew up, he split with his father and he wrote a statement to the media that none if it was true. Very hard to find this info bc most of the mainstream media who spent so much time convicting MJ refused to report.
@@ΜαριανναΓεωργιου-κ1σ The statement used to be able to be found on youtube years ago, before youtube became so censored
There have been like 7 how many more do you need? 😆
No matter what happened, we all know Michael should not have been alone with children anywhere in the house. That is just common protection for him and for the children. Actually, these children guests to Neverland should have always had their parents or their adult guardian with them.
When you are a victim and you don't say something right away you are more likely not to say something later. At first you might not say something because you don't really understand or they use a scare tactic. Then you think no one is going to believe you because it's usually and old family member/friends or someone in high power. After some time you start felling ashamed and feel like it's your fault.
I took me like 8 year to finally say something for the first time about one of my abusers and nothing was done about it so it made me feel like It didn't matter because it was no longer happening. Like I didn't matter. It took me another 5 years to say something again but still nothing happened and the abusers were never confronted because they are family members.
First time it happened to me I was 8 years old the last time I was 13 years old. I'm 37 now and I have only told like 6 people.
Ur so strong I’m with u 💛
Karla G. Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA. Liars!!!!!
@@memethingz6004 Michael Jackson's estate won against Wade Robson, Jimmy Safechuck, and HBO on April 27th, 2021.in Los Angeles, California USA. Look it up!! Liars!!!!!
I can relate to your experience.
Yep, and then when you say it, people minimize it because it was years ago and you waited. People look for excuses to maintain their ignorance about things that disturb them. It’s very sad.
As someone who hasn’t endured any sexual assault but constantly hearing about other people’s stories, it just makes me mad how much people can hurt you either by sexually assaulting you and getting away with it or not believing you had to endure such horrible experiment!
@Rahi LeShanbi Its the worst that can happen to anyone growing up.Its totall fear to speak out whos done what theyve done even its by a relative because it can destroy a family.But to accuse a mega popstar would be virtually impossible.His music and his adoring fans who adore him and his music will totally dismiss any allegation that stains his character and some would physically hurt anyone who accused him of sexual offences.Theres no doubt many more were abused by Micheal Jackson as kids sexually but for those reasons are too scared to speak out.
@GoogleLeviticus19-29 Still doesnt wash.There are serious allegations of sexual offences with minors.When i hear a Jackson song on the radio,all i think of is his alleged child abuse especially when Pretty young thing is on the radio.
Excellent point Rahi. Many people in power abuse their power, not always in a sexual manner, but in many ways. I have suffered power abuse by lawyers, judges (prosecuting attorneys in black robes), and a landlord. The landlord was the only one who abused his power in a sexual manner. My landlord sexually assaulted me and many other male tenants. When I complained about it, it caused me to ultimately be illegally evicted from my home of over 16 years (however, after I complained the landlord stopped his criminal behavior, so I know I helped prevent others from the same fate). There are no attorneys that helps tenants in my State, none. And, many people did not believe me which made it worse of course, and two people, in authority, even laughed when I told them. My legal aid attorney did not even believe me and would not even address the issue which is clear "ineffective assistance of counsel", among other things. It was maddening. I kept my cool however, by praying and asking God to help me keep calm, and it worked. But, inside it tore me up and still does to this day. I had even gone to law school before all this happened (I am not an attorney btw), but it did not help me, as I did not know the right people, I was poor, and I had/have a disability. We all have our crosses to bear and we all must move forward in order to find and keep happiness.
@@brianmorecombe2726 except for - judges, jurors... and others who have to, or who stick to evidence, in general, and question credibility. Not saying it's flawless. It is easy to blame it on his status and fandom, that many out there are capable of critical thinking... 🙄
"No doubt there were other victims" - where are they to confirm your "No doubt" and how come one should just swallow what accusers say - otherwise one is categorized as blind fan?
I think we should all watch out what we contribute to such cases & horrible topics. I firmly believe both is wrong - to accuse someone who is considered innocent by legal means (doesn't mean one does not have a right to opinion, but one should state it as such) and vv it is wrong to accuse an accuser of lying just because there's no evidence. Which is more often the case in child abuse and rape incidents.
Emotional people are easier to manipulate, in my opinion. on one hand, LN was perfectly orchestrated. And on the other hand - MJ managed to make some people believe he was inhuman or something unreal.
To me, there are elements that point towards them lying, and there are elements that force me to question MJ's portrait of innocence.
@@Nikita-zo4gp You can analyze,pick out and discredit what i`ve said.But to most people it is very credible to assume Jackson sexually offended young kids when these numerous allegations of sexual impropriety with young children were made and its callous to dismiss them whoever it is made to.Even his sister not once but twice made the same allegations of unnatural associations with kids.Sleeping with unrelated children is harmful to their development,even children related isnt appropiate.
I think these guys just want money , it’s easier to accuse a dead men
james just seems so broken😢
Yes he does a complete wreck & it's heartbreaking
There is a huge difference between Wade and James. Wade has forgiven himself what he told Oprah and his therapy is much further than his. I also can't stand how James suffers, it's so sad and hurtful. I think he wasn't ready for all of this situation, interviews, etc. Wade is fighting and James looks like he would like to go home what I completely understand. I have no doubts he still loves Micheal when he says he does:(
Or Wade is a sociopath who has no remorse slandering a dead man's name and James is crumbling under guilt, who knows...
Yes, James breaks my heart in his interviews. Im afraid that he will commit suicide someday.
Yeah he's not even an actor. People can't act that good. I feel for this James dude.
The fear is less when the person is dead. They do not have to deal with being threatened or made to feel guilty for coming forward. The fact is. Too many kids have said the same things. It’s too coincidental. That many people don’t collectively lie. Having the star like that giving you attention and helping your career and family must have felt like a dream come true. Also, with what we now know about Hollywood and all, it wouldn’t be far fetched to say that Michael was likely perpetrated against by someone himself. To say he seemed troubled is an understatement. Much love to all affected. Truly.
It's official news - they lied:
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Michael Jackson isn't dead he faked his death
Group delusion is possible. Hence cults.
I know of 2. Were there more? 🤔 Unfortunately, I'm not sure I believe these guys. Because young people can be convinced that something happened. I'm more convinced, if it's just these 2,these two had parents in it for the money and brain washed them. But... 🤷🏾♀️ MJ is dead and I didn't buy his albums...
@@1truek269 yes, there were more. These 2 and at least 2 others as he was taken to court twice on the matter. I was surprised because I just didn’t see him as a sexy person. Even with all the crotch grabbing and all. His feminine voice discounted him in my mind, I guess.
First thing first. Parents... your are responsible for your kids no matter what are they're ages. Kids are kids. Whenever they are adults that's they're own responsibility to take care themselves. So is very important to take care your kids and let them know you're there as a parent, protector, provider, friend etc.
Ok, so what's second. You can't say first if you're not gonna give a second. Sorry, my OCD wouldn't let me not say something, I really tried. 😢
Michael is innocent this wade guy is making up stories
They played the game for cash and fame..aint foolin nobody
There are 12 accusers though
Idk how yall believe them, I can see straight through them.
Maybe cuz you have common senese and its rare to find these days lol
@@lavishsavage6743why do blacks feel the need to defend every black?? Seriously curious
You were there?
Petition to send these two to Mars.
😂😂😂😂😂
IKR this is the shitiest bull i hve ever heard
Ain’t it better to send Michael Jackson’s corpse to space instead of the victims?
I don’t understand to this day how people would “relate” to this nonsense or believe these liars. When everything proves otherwise!! that nothing happened to them from Michael.
The sickest thing you can do is to stick knives into a dead body not only that you do it to a man who stood by you and offered you nothing but love.
I was abused as a child and not for a second believe or relate to them.
Both have a podcast on child abuse called from trauma to triumph with experts and other survivors. So your " feelings" don't matter.
@@oldol12 you mean that they are looking for a money grab.
Plus you don’t need 4 hours to tell the truth and yeah my opinion matters you just need to wake up from the coma that you’re in.
If it’s on tv or podcasts or newspapers it doesn’t mean it happened you just need to know the motive behind everything.
@@oldol12 Michael Jackson is the only artist who gave more than half a billion dollars for charity !! of course you don’t know that and you won’t see it on tv because it doesn’t serve their agenda.
@@oldol12 Jussie Smollet would have had a Podcast to if his hoax was not exposed. But I guess it helps that James and Wade are white because they benefit from their LIES more than a black person. Racism is a sickness for sure.
@@hailamark2402ooh and you brag about being a real victim? You calling experts and other survivors dumb. That's on you.😂
They sure do seem comfortable, without reaction, no mood change in talking about something so horrific to happen to any child. How much money did their parents gain for turning their heads? How can a parent not! have concern for their child's safety?! They're talking about this like someone talking about petting a dog at the park!
Exactly .... so casual like they are talking about a trip to the mall. That's why we know they're lying ....
You haven't seen the 4 hour documentary, where they confess it al for the first time with more detail and you can see the trauma in their faces. This video is from one of many interviews done after that so of course they are a little more confortable talking about it
@meister: they were tired of Dan Reed pushing and squeezing them
@@Meister4224
No we didn't watch it because we refuse to WASTE our money on it. They will not STEAL my money. I said .... no!
@@prolaser3862yall are sick, why are you dictating how a victim should act??
24:24 a father has *exactly the same* responsibility.
Everyone always just blames the mothers.
I assume she is a mother and thats why that is her first thought, but, we hear what we want to hear.
Jackson's targets were mostly little boys who lived just with mothers or who lived in problematic homes. They were much easier to manipulate. So, mothers were more responsible in case of MJ, fathers mostly didn't have enough chance to decide about anything. Women, mothers, were also attracted to Jackson, and he used and abused it.
@@iks9120 Yes, you are right. I have to admit that I wrote my comment before watching "Leaving Neverland". I also noticed both, Wade and James, being portrayed as kind of lonely kids. And Wade's father's story was extremely heartbreaking to me. I cannot tell about James' father, he seems to have admired MJ a lot back then, but I don''t want to judge! I think it's just important to not forget that absent parents have responsibilities and maybe possibilities to interfere, too.