In India and neighbouring countries, it is very much common to use cloth diapers. Our mothers used to sew them by themselves. And when they gets dirty, our parents just wash them off and dries them under the sun. Very cheap and convenient
@@vicamoehardani4489 it's because they want to keep consumerism high and don't care if they are biodegradable or not. Also they never cared to try it. Apparently saving money isn't a good enough incentive for some 🤦
It's a bit horrifying that the diapers are not rinsed out before sending them to the cleaning service. All those pooped diapers that have been marinating until they get washed. 😫Those poor ladies at the cleaning facilities.
I don't understand how they don't wash them themselves. You can save that money and DIY. There are wood washboards on walmart just use gloves. They should have stick to disposable ok nes if they're paying for keeping them clean.
imagine how horrifying it is for people who work in garbage disposal also dealing with poop marinating in polyester or for people in underdeveloped countries where the single use diapers most of the times end up
OMG!What a cutie-patootie! I was born in 1965 and my mom used cloth diapers from a service. When I "graduated" (was potty trained) I got a paper certificate which was an NMD Degree (No More Diapers!)
Cloth diapering momma here! Some diapers can look expensive but often you can find cheaper brands, gently used ones on buy, sell, trade groups, etc. I got my full stash for about 100$ and they work amazing!
I think they meant paying for the delivery and cleaning service was more expensive, but obviously washing and reusing them yourself is much cheaper than disposable! :D
I had cloth flannel diapers when my kids were young. They looked like an hourglass with Velcro tabs. I dumped the dumps in the toilet and soaked the diapers in the pail until I washed them. Saved me tons of money. This was literally 30 years ago.
Side note: It’s not recommended to keep cloth diapers soaking in wet pails before wash day - due to bacteria growing and being a drowning hazard to babies.
Man....needed this company when my kiddos were young. 2 thumbs up for helping save not only the planet, but also saving the tiny hinnies from the dreaded diaper rash 👍👍
I've had three babies in cloth diapers. I spent less than $700 on all three. From birth to potty training. I reused the diapers for each baby and only occasionally had to buy new covers as they started falling apart after a few years of washing. I wash them at home on hot, do an extra rinse, line dry the covers. I love them and the kids love them.
I don’t think this is a very realistic portrayal of cloth diapers. I’d rather an actual review of them and how to wash them, not spend so much extra money to have them magically sent away and come back clean. Not everyone lives in places where that is even possible :/
@@thebusybeanhomecafe4035 One diaper service typically services several cities. Either way, the trend I saw was that there is typically 3-4 diaper services per state, likely all in different regions
@@thebusybeanhomecafe4035 Okay? I don't know why you feel the need to tell me this. I was just trying to share that this is actually a viable option in a lot of areas. I'm not telling you what to do with your life.
You could also tell the parents do much research beforehand. I will be cloth diapering my baby and I’ve done so much research on what kind of diaper I want, my wash routine, and the different brands. There are about 4 different types of cloth diapers, in this video they were using an All-in-two or hybrid diaper. They also all came from this cleaning service. There are so many other different types and brands. Also they are only washed once a week and it didn’t sound like they were spraying off poop, that is super unsanitary. Most cloth diaper brands recommend every 2-3 days and to spray off any poop. Plus they did have the proper fit.
@@smudge8882 I don’t live in America and I have only found a couple in my entire country lol. I can’t even tell if they have a service near me, and they’re super expensive. I think it’s much more global and class friendly to just explain how you can clean them effectively yourself.
So I have to say this is kind of not accessable for all; I like goodful but my issue with videos like this is that they ignore the lack of accessibility for all and what is the price. This video protreays this as "anyone can change" despite being super vague about the specifics of the price, quality, and interworkings of using this product
I don't have a diaper service where I live. If you have the sprayer that hooks to the toilet feed line and the garbage can with the hole in the bottom it works out well at home.
Those diapers can be best gifts in baby showers......on reading the comments on how expensive these cloth diapers are (although cheaper in long term).....like one complimentary diaper and a wipe with your gift so that mother can have a full set
I cloth diapered both of my children. (I used prefolds and covers.) I didn't have a diaper service; I washed the diapers myself. It's pretty easy. Shake out the bowel movements into the toilet, and I did diaper laundry twice a week. (More than three days of wet diapers is not nice.) Also, I just used washcloths instead of "wipes." Either wet the washcloth and then wipe, or have a little spray bottle with water on hand to either spray the washcloth or the baby and then wipe. These washcloths were laundered with the diapers. The same diapers were used for both children, with the odd update for baby number 2. The upfront cost is definitely more than buying a box of disposables, but considering that they were mostly the same diapers for more than one baby, the cost overall is much less. Definitely worth it in my opinion.
For never having used cloth diapers you did a great job on trying to get them to fit properly! Use the rise snaps on the front of the diaper to get the proper fit. There are plenty of videos to help you get a good fit on your diapers.
I'm a green tech student apparently when you compare the Life time of both reusable and non-reusable nappies the negative environmental impact is same. The only difference is whether or not you tumble dry them or you hang them outside. If you hang them outside the reusable cloth nappies win and if you put them in the tumble drier none of them win they both are just as bad as the other. Someone compared the Life Cycle Assessments and although they both polluted in different ways the level of pollution was the same but only if a tumble drier was used. It's mad just how big an impact using one household item can have in a Life Cycle Assessment though. 😅
Millions of years ago when I had my kids, my co-workers gifted me 6 mos of diaper service. ABC Diaper would deliver clean diapers; once a week, I put the hamper of dirty diapers on the porch and they left a fresh hamper and clean diapers in its place. It was absolutely WONDERFUL and way less expensive than disposables. But even then, the disposables had a center core that would break down in the toilet if you dip the diaper until all of that dissolved; then you toss the "stay-dri" liner and the plastic outer layer, Now people toss the whole thing. What a mess.
Everyone concerned about if there is such a service in your area, you'd be surprised how many diaper services there are in the U.S.! It seems there's a lot in my state (Massachusetts), even in the rural areas, and upon Googling it, I haven't found a state yet that doesn't have diaper services
And cloth diaper is super cheap in indonesia. We usually use clean unused fabric and sew it ourself to make many diapers and i think it's safer for baby since every time the baby pee or poo we change the diaper immediately so the baby wont have red rush around the genital
Genuine question....what do you do if you're out in public or visiting someone for a few days and your cloth diapered baby goes in its diaper? Do you just take it home with you?
You bring a "wet bag" with you when you go out. It's water-proof and stink-proof, so when you put the dirty one in there, you won't smell it until you open it up to clean it at home. :)
I really like the idea of both diapers. I would have to get them sent out to be washed, there is no way that I would want them washed in the same machine as my other clothes.
In Honduras and other central American countries it iss very common for Babies to usé cloth diapers. Most familias tend to mix them, by using cloth un the day and disposible for when the baby falla asleep un the night
I love that this is finally becoming a thing. Mine are 6 and almost 7 now n i clothed , its amazing. Those are all in ones thee easiest and best. They fit from newborn to older toddler. My daycare kids prefered my cloth as well haha i did it myself though, no service but wish i could have lmao.
ok but can we talk about HOW EXPENSIVE THEY ARE?!?!?!? I wish i could use cloth diapers but just 5 of them would run me over $30 which is the same I would pay for a pack of 62 disposable *cries in broke*
@@sarahw9385 that's where my issue is I would love to buy them and have them save me money over time but that initial cost would mean i can't pay bills or rent the issue is we just don't have the extra funds
Big up baby Malachi!! Such a content bubba!! They may be more work, but cloth diapers should be considered by parents a lot more due to economical and environmental reasons!
People in the US typically think cloth diapers are gross and weird but in reality diapers are pretty much unheard of in poor countries. I work as a nanny for an Indian family, and their parents never used diapers, there babies went potty outside, in sink, and the bed had a waterproof cover the mom would wash everyday. Cloth diapers dont need to be fancy or expensive. We do cloth diapering with the baby, and literally i remove the diaper and take him to poop on the sink or toilet by using a sound association like sssss, but if he ends up going im the diaper then i put the poop in the toilet and rinse it in the sink, put it outside to dry on a drying rack, and throw in the wash with the rest of the laundry on a heavy cycle. All the clothes come out clean. Also, we dont even use wipes on him, but lift him and run his bum under warm water and it removes all the mess and he has never had a diaper rash, never used wipes, or needed diaper cream. All of these things were invented for companies to make money by making parents feel inadequate. You dont need disposable diapers, you dont need a stroller, you dont need a special baby bath thingy. These things just perpetuate a wasteful cycle and add plastic to the landfill. Babies are not a science, mothers have been birthing as home and in nature since the beginning of time and nowadays we have made mothers feel completely unable to care for their kids because its about money. Its an industry. Like babies eating canned mushy food, and rice cereals. Rice contains heavy amounts of arsenic and the rice cereals were advertised to mothers to feed their babies rice for iron when rice barely contains any iron at all and babies shouldn’t even have rice until they are at least 1 year old because of the high toxic arsenic levels. Be careful to buy rice that only come from California because the grounds in california contains less arsenic. So yeah basically everything you heard about feeding and caring for babies is just a money making scheme and lie. Do what you think is best and use common sense.
He is beautiful! I would like to use cloth diapers when I have kids but I'd just wash them myself. Ive worked with kids that need changed out if needed clothes, it doesn't phase me 😅🤦🏻
I love the idea of cloth nappies and my next baby I wanna try them but what I don't understand is why you can't clean them yourself? Isn't it more damaging to the environment that y'all are picking up and delivering once a week like wouldn't it be easier to rinse them out as soon as they are soiled then just do a load every couple of days ? I couldn't imagine the price of this 'service' but love the idea.
I guess western countries has reverse trend than what we have in indonesia. It is a common practice to use cloth diaper and instead the use of single-use diaper has only introduced recently. But this is good news tho 😊
That’s what I’m thinking!! I know someone who had a diaper genie and even though that has individualized bags that suction up the diaper so it doesn’t smell, it still smelled because they would take it down once a week on garbage day. So there’s no way this doesn’t smell, even if it’s only when you open it.
Sadly ONLY avaible in certain small areas of California, Definitely NOT in Michigan in any way shape or form. I hate these kind of "check out our services" and they are only in pinhole areas nowhere near anyone.
Yes. People became, especially in Western countries, so lazy and washing machines were invented.😅. People are still crazy lazy if they need a service that costs $160-200 per month just for someone to wash their kids diapers while they feel good for 'saving the planet'. As someone who only had cloth diapers growing up, like all kids growing up in the 80s in a regular country, I would not want to see anyone have to go back to washing diapers or cloths again.Ever. Invent recycled diapers for God sake, give up the cheap plastic, that is the solution. Sending diapers to a service tonbe washed is NOT environment-friendly at all to be honest.
Am I the only one concerned with a lot of diapers from different babies getting washed all together? I know they say they sanitize it, but do you really trust it? Also cloth diapering my baby, but wash it myself. I can't imagine trusting someone to eash for me.
This video really isn’t very informative on how to use cloth diapers or the many options you have. The cloth diapering community is huge! For everyone who is actually considering cloth diapering their baby and good place to start is Fluff Love University. You can find lots of information about the different types of cloth diapers, wash routines, and your local cloth diaper community.
this is one of the cutest babies I've ever seen!!!
In India and neighbouring countries, it is very much common to use cloth diapers. Our mothers used to sew them by themselves. And when they gets dirty, our parents just wash them off and dries them under the sun. Very cheap and convenient
I’m in Canada and I did the same with my kids 30 years ago. Worked great and was SOOO much cheaper and better for their skin.
Yes we in Asia did that about 40 years ago. Young parents nowadays always use disposible diapers, because it's more practical.
@@vicamoehardani4489 it's because they want to keep consumerism high and don't care if they are biodegradable or not. Also they never cared to try it. Apparently saving money isn't a good enough incentive for some 🤦
@@Protectedbikelanes Or we could just respect people's choices
@@breynoso19 my comment was a general observation, no need to get all bent out of shape and turn it into something it's not
It's a bit horrifying that the diapers are not rinsed out before sending them to the cleaning service. All those pooped diapers that have been marinating until they get washed. 😫Those poor ladies at the cleaning facilities.
I'm pretty sure you're meant to flush the majority of what's in the diaper
I would think that you would flush the poop before giving them back to the service. (if it was solid) yuck!
Yeah I use cloth pads for my period, and I always wash everything off before putting them into the laundry. The facility just sanitizes the diapers :)
I don't understand how they don't wash them themselves. You can save that money and DIY. There are wood washboards on walmart just use gloves. They should have stick to disposable ok nes if they're paying for keeping them clean.
imagine how horrifying it is for people who work in garbage disposal also dealing with poop marinating in polyester or for people in underdeveloped countries where the single use diapers most of the times end up
OMG!What a cutie-patootie! I was born in 1965 and my mom used cloth diapers from a service. When I "graduated" (was potty trained) I got a paper certificate which was an NMD Degree (No More Diapers!)
That was cute.
Cloth diapering momma here! Some diapers can look expensive but often you can find cheaper brands, gently used ones on buy, sell, trade groups, etc. I got my full stash for about 100$ and they work amazing!
I think they meant paying for the delivery and cleaning service was more expensive, but obviously washing and reusing them yourself is much cheaper than disposable! :D
I had cloth flannel diapers when my kids were young. They looked like an hourglass with Velcro tabs. I dumped the dumps in the toilet and soaked the diapers in the pail until I washed them. Saved me tons of money. This was literally 30 years ago.
Side note: It’s not recommended to keep cloth diapers soaking in wet pails before wash day - due to bacteria growing and being a drowning hazard to babies.
Buzzfeed has to stop making these videos that are unmarked advertisements.
Man....needed this company when my kiddos were young. 2 thumbs up for helping save not only the planet, but also saving the tiny hinnies from the dreaded diaper rash 👍👍
I've had three babies in cloth diapers. I spent less than $700 on all three. From birth to potty training. I reused the diapers for each baby and only occasionally had to buy new covers as they started falling apart after a few years of washing. I wash them at home on hot, do an extra rinse, line dry the covers. I love them and the kids love them.
I don’t think this is a very realistic portrayal of cloth diapers. I’d rather an actual review of them and how to wash them, not spend so much extra money to have them magically sent away and come back clean. Not everyone lives in places where that is even possible :/
You'd be surprised how many diaper service companies are out there! Just Google it to find ones in your state
@@thebusybeanhomecafe4035 One diaper service typically services several cities. Either way, the trend I saw was that there is typically 3-4 diaper services per state, likely all in different regions
@@thebusybeanhomecafe4035 Okay? I don't know why you feel the need to tell me this. I was just trying to share that this is actually a viable option in a lot of areas. I'm not telling you what to do with your life.
You could also tell the parents do much research beforehand. I will be cloth diapering my baby and I’ve done so much research on what kind of diaper I want, my wash routine, and the different brands. There are about 4 different types of cloth diapers, in this video they were using an All-in-two or hybrid diaper. They also all came from this cleaning service. There are so many other different types and brands. Also they are only washed once a week and it didn’t sound like they were spraying off poop, that is super unsanitary. Most cloth diaper brands recommend every 2-3 days and to spray off any poop. Plus they did have the proper fit.
@@smudge8882 I don’t live in America and I have only found a couple in my entire country lol. I can’t even tell if they have a service near me, and they’re super expensive. I think it’s much more global and class friendly to just explain how you can clean them effectively yourself.
For those who are interested- this service ranges from $36 to $54 per week, depending on the type of diaper you select.
I did clothing diapering for both my kids. I also did wipes. They never had any diaper rashes.
Diaper services are very common in other countries.
So I have to say this is kind of not accessable for all; I like goodful but my issue with videos like this is that they ignore the lack of accessibility for all and what is the price. This video protreays this as "anyone can change" despite being super vague about the specifics of the price, quality, and interworkings of using this product
I don't have a diaper service where I live. If you have the sprayer that hooks to the toilet feed line and the garbage can with the hole in the bottom it works out well at home.
Aweeeee so good for the earth and baby
Those diapers can be best gifts in baby showers......on reading the comments on how expensive these cloth diapers are (although cheaper in long term).....like one complimentary diaper and a wipe with your gift so that mother can have a full set
Malachi is just the CUTEST, as is y'alls video! I truly love this as a concept. (no babies yet here)
I cloth diapered both of my children. (I used prefolds and covers.) I didn't have a diaper service; I washed the diapers myself. It's pretty easy. Shake out the bowel movements into the toilet, and I did diaper laundry twice a week. (More than three days of wet diapers is not nice.) Also, I just used washcloths instead of "wipes." Either wet the washcloth and then wipe, or have a little spray bottle with water on hand to either spray the washcloth or the baby and then wipe. These washcloths were laundered with the diapers. The same diapers were used for both children, with the odd update for baby number 2. The upfront cost is definitely more than buying a box of disposables, but considering that they were mostly the same diapers for more than one baby, the cost overall is much less. Definitely worth it in my opinion.
Love using cloth! My fav in the UK are Fiyyah for nappies, but for cloth pads I'm still on the hunt for something I love.
For never having used cloth diapers you did a great job on trying to get them to fit properly! Use the rise snaps on the front of the diaper to get the proper fit. There are plenty of videos to help you get a good fit on your diapers.
I'm a green tech student apparently when you compare the Life time of both reusable and non-reusable nappies the negative environmental impact is same. The only difference is whether or not you tumble dry them or you hang them outside. If you hang them outside the reusable cloth nappies win and if you put them in the tumble drier none of them win they both are just as bad as the other. Someone compared the Life Cycle Assessments and although they both polluted in different ways the level of pollution was the same but only if a tumble drier was used. It's mad just how big an impact using one household item can have in a Life Cycle Assessment though. 😅
He is so freaking cute I'm dying.
Millions of years ago when I had my kids, my co-workers gifted me 6 mos of diaper service. ABC Diaper would deliver clean diapers; once a week, I put the hamper of dirty diapers on the porch and they left a fresh hamper and clean diapers in its place. It was absolutely WONDERFUL and way less expensive than disposables. But even then, the disposables had a center core that would break down in the toilet if you dip the diaper until all of that dissolved; then you toss the "stay-dri" liner and the plastic outer layer, Now people toss the whole thing. What a mess.
Everyone concerned about if there is such a service in your area, you'd be surprised how many diaper services there are in the U.S.! It seems there's a lot in my state (Massachusetts), even in the rural areas, and upon Googling it, I haven't found a state yet that doesn't have diaper services
And cloth diaper is super cheap in indonesia. We usually use clean unused fabric and sew it ourself to make many diapers and i think it's safer for baby since every time the baby pee or poo we change the diaper immediately so the baby wont have red rush around the genital
I dont have baby but I use cloth pads and the material is similar to cloth diapers. Won't look back to disposbles anymore.
Genuine question....what do you do if you're out in public or visiting someone for a few days and your cloth diapered baby goes in its diaper? Do you just take it home with you?
You bring a "wet bag" with you when you go out. It's water-proof and stink-proof, so when you put the dirty one in there, you won't smell it until you open it up to clean it at home. :)
I really like the idea of both diapers. I would have to get them sent out to be washed, there is no way that I would want them washed in the same machine as my other clothes.
Malachi is such a happy baby ☺️
Until they call him cloth diaper baby lol 🤣🤣🤣 4:03 his face
This is amazing! I really hope more people do this!
In Honduras and other central American countries it iss very common for Babies to usé cloth diapers. Most familias tend to mix them, by using cloth un the day and disposible for when the baby falla asleep un the night
OMG THAT BABY IS SO CUTE!!!
I love that this is finally becoming a thing. Mine are 6 and almost 7 now n i clothed , its amazing. Those are all in ones thee easiest and best. They fit from newborn to older toddler. My daycare kids prefered my cloth as well haha i did it myself though, no service but wish i could have lmao.
ok but can we talk about HOW EXPENSIVE THEY ARE?!?!?!? I wish i could use cloth diapers but just 5 of them would run me over $30 which is the same I would pay for a pack of 62 disposable *cries in broke*
After you buy them though, you can reuse them. So in the long run it would save costs
@@sarahw9385 that's where my issue is I would love to buy them and have them save me money over time but that initial cost would mean i can't pay bills or rent the issue is we just don't have the extra funds
There are tutorials for making your own.....see if that can be cheap
Hmm maybe you can just buy one for now? And build up from there?
@@bhumikakhatri2621 O.O maybe not me but my wife sews and my friend's mom has a sewing machine
Malachi is so precious!
I’m doing this for my future kids!
Big up baby Malachi!! Such a content bubba!! They may be more work, but cloth diapers should be considered by parents a lot more due to economical and environmental reasons!
People in the US typically think cloth diapers are gross and weird but in reality diapers are pretty much unheard of in poor countries. I work as a nanny for an Indian family, and their parents never used diapers, there babies went potty outside, in sink, and the bed had a waterproof cover the mom would wash everyday. Cloth diapers dont need to be fancy or expensive. We do cloth diapering with the baby, and literally i remove the diaper and take him to poop on the sink or toilet by using a sound association like sssss, but if he ends up going im the diaper then i put the poop in the toilet and rinse it in the sink, put it outside to dry on a drying rack, and throw in the wash with the rest of the laundry on a heavy cycle. All the clothes come out clean. Also, we dont even use wipes on him, but lift him and run his bum under warm water and it removes all the mess and he has never had a diaper rash, never used wipes, or needed diaper cream. All of these things were invented for companies to make money by making parents feel inadequate. You dont need disposable diapers, you dont need a stroller, you dont need a special baby bath thingy. These things just perpetuate a wasteful cycle and add plastic to the landfill. Babies are not a science, mothers have been birthing as home and in nature since the beginning of time and nowadays we have made mothers feel completely unable to care for their kids because its about money. Its an industry. Like babies eating canned mushy food, and rice cereals. Rice contains heavy amounts of arsenic and the rice cereals were advertised to mothers to feed their babies rice for iron when rice barely contains any iron at all and babies shouldn’t even have rice until they are at least 1 year old because of the high toxic arsenic levels. Be careful to buy rice that only come from California because the grounds in california contains less arsenic. So yeah basically everything you heard about feeding and caring for babies is just a money making scheme and lie. Do what you think is best and use common sense.
He is beautiful! I would like to use cloth diapers when I have kids but I'd just wash them myself. Ive worked with kids that need changed out if needed clothes, it doesn't phase me 😅🤦🏻
The opening clip OMG☺️🥰😍
Beautiful family!
I love the idea of cloth nappies and my next baby I wanna try them but what I don't understand is why you can't clean them yourself? Isn't it more damaging to the environment that y'all are picking up and delivering once a week like wouldn't it be easier to rinse them out as soon as they are soiled then just do a load every couple of days ? I couldn't imagine the price of this 'service' but love the idea.
I always wondered what I will have to do about diapers in the future this is great👍
I guess western countries has reverse trend than what we have in indonesia. It is a common practice to use cloth diaper and instead the use of single-use diaper has only introduced recently. But this is good news tho 😊
I used cloth diapers for all my kids.
Did it SMELL . That's the question. When you kept it in the bin did it make the whole room smell .
That’s what I’m thinking!! I know someone who had a diaper genie and even though that has individualized bags that suction up the diaper so it doesn’t smell, it still smelled because they would take it down once a week on garbage day. So there’s no way this doesn’t smell, even if it’s only when you open it.
Don't have kids yet, but this looks good
Me washing my cloth diapers as this video shows up on my page
Wheee! This is good for the environment!
Sadly ONLY avaible in certain small areas of California, Definitely NOT in Michigan in any way shape or form. I hate these kind of "check out our services" and they are only in pinhole areas nowhere near anyone.
This isn't the only diaper service out there. I just did a quick Google search and found 4 in Michigan.
omg he is so cute !^^
They use to use cloth diapers in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Something change?
Yes. People became, especially in Western countries, so lazy and washing machines were invented.😅. People are still crazy lazy if they need a service that costs $160-200 per month just for someone to wash their kids diapers while they feel good for 'saving the planet'. As someone who only had cloth diapers growing up, like all kids growing up in the 80s in a regular country, I would not want to see anyone have to go back to washing diapers or cloths again.Ever. Invent recycled diapers for God sake, give up the cheap plastic, that is the solution. Sending diapers to a service tonbe washed is NOT environment-friendly at all to be honest.
Am I the only one concerned with a lot of diapers from different babies getting washed all together? I know they say they sanitize it, but do you really trust it? Also cloth diapering my baby, but wash it myself. I can't imagine trusting someone to eash for me.
Buy kawaii diapers. For real. Tell em I sent ya...jk but my son has pictures on their site wearing the diapers. Only diapers I'd ever buy.
This video really isn’t very informative on how to use cloth diapers or the many options you have. The cloth diapering community is huge! For everyone who is actually considering cloth diapering their baby and good place to start is Fluff Love University. You can find lots of information about the different types of cloth diapers, wash routines, and your local cloth diaper community.
No such thing as zero waste diapers with all the washing, water you use.
Why Greg looks like Stephen from Epicurious?