Hi there, PHIA. Thank you so much for your video well prepared with such a deep research, which shows in a special way the history of VR treadmill. It also give us a more constructive point of view to make progress! 🦾 But the same as you, as all the VR gamers who have a burning desire to explore this virtual world, it's always a pleasure to participate in this process and do all we could to shorten this distance.
@@thebush6077 What about crouching? I will say, I was seeing all the treadmills with full rings, and this one only has the attachment at the back, which is a huge advantage.
Kat products feels like ass to walk in, you get lower back pain in less than 2 min. Avoid the feets sliding into bowl type of ODT, the flat ones with moving parts are the way to go.
@@lemon-centedsquidfoo.5600 or maybe they’re just friends irl that work together sometimes and compliment eachothers work as friends/ professionals. Hope you had fun using the word you just learned, kid.
I love the advances this tech can bring to the market and now it just depends on the applications. I want to play Elder scrolls 6 in Native VR (not like Skyrim tacked on stuff) with a full Omni set up.
I dunno Skyrim VR is pretty complex when you mod tf out of it. I can actually eat food with a fork and knife, and see bites taken away, can use my actual voice to talk to NPC's and use shouts, and my weapons make contact with enemies and I can slap Nazeem in his smug ass face! 😂
Neat, I appreciate the historical context for ODTs. I find the whole development of VR that's happening right now totally fascinating and I'm convinced it's gonna change the future in a big way.
this made me so excited, im planning on treating myself to my first VR headset for christmas this year, and can't wait for a few years down the line when this tech is more polished. i would totally invest in a treadmill like this, and honestly i dont even think 1500$ is that bad!
Seriously, this is the best show about Virtual Reality, the culture, the tech, the people. As someone new to VR I haven't found anything on par in the last couple months. So happy to see a new episode. : D
I know youve been trippin about views lately, just know the quality of your content WILL inevitably carry you to higher levels. Youve already seen crazy numbers, especially for the size of your channel. Dont get discouraged, as VR grows you might reach heights you never thought imaginable. You and Thrill have infectious personalities and we love your genuine love for VR and the community 💙
When Sony was producing CD based camcorders in the early 2000s it knew that they were a evolutionary dead end and that eventually solid state memory would get small enough and cheap enough to use instead. However they still had to produce something to stay on the market and stay relevant with people. I view a lot of the current 3D treadmills in the same light. I don't think they're going to be the solution to the movement problem long term but are the best solution we have at the moment
It strikes me that there's really no perfect solution to this... Replacing the physical experience of motion, with something that counters intent and holds you in place, will ALWAYS feel... 'off'... Since the physical experience is literally the floor sliding away from you as you walk. It feels like it would be easier to put us in a full Matrix like state and make us dream VR than do it this way 🤣
I agree, I think the best we'll get in the near future (in terms of physical immersion) will be dedicated "arenas" where you can put on a headset and explore the virtual world built on top of said arena. Otherwise, to get "full" immersion in a VR world would essentially require plugging your brain straight into the experience.
this would cost way too much but the only really viable option for the best feeling i could come up with would be like a padded exoskeleton from your feet up to your chest that would suspend the user in the air with only the feet part actually limiting your "height" from the ground, with "haptic feedback" on your steps by limiting the extent of your legs with the virtual floor as you run or take a step, obviously all this jibber jabber comes with a lot of complications and stuff but meh hahaha dreaming for a better future :v
@@joaquinfraustoalfarorocco8177 I mean it would make sense and it would occupy the same space as a closet, but at the same time it only takes one person to get trapped inside one of them to make them scary
I love the look of the Katwalk, although I can never tell from things I've seen if it's noisey to use . I imagine it sounding kinda stompy as if you were running on a hollow frame and it looks hard to balance on. With those in mind though, I still might have to have a look at one properly one day. Good video dude, keep it up!
We're never gonna hit perfection until we get full-dive VR that hooks directly into our brain and nervous system. Which... probably ain't ever gonna happen lol.
In a few decades time I want to be piloting a space ship in full vr where I can feel the sensations and am full immersed. Could take 20 years or even 100 but we should be able tog et there one day.
Honestly the kat walk c feels way more natural than it looks. The only part that kind of sucks is the crouching and backing up/strafing but for just forward movement or turning your whole body it's freaking great.
My low budget version is a climbing harness on a swivel mount. was $100 usd in parts. No slip, just stomp. Works well, but can't crouch all the way. You have to duck to go into sneak mode. For motion tracking I've used Natural Locomotion and Kat Loco S. NaLo has a smoother feel to it.
I may not be a engineer but the Balls may be the best option for consumers to have a full sprint and walk experience hear me out, as a sphere you have true 360 degree movement, with some sensors to calculate rotation and speed for the input you can have a full IRL walking experience granted it has rubberized spheres for better grip
the omni treadmills is the VR tech that we need the most, sometime guardian, hands hitting the walls just make me want to ragequit. The immersion break is so huge ^^
Why does nobody ever mention FreeAim VR shoes?? I know they aren't available at a consumer level yet but they are an insane concept and I was really hoping to see them on here with how many different concepts you were mentioning. While they are shoes, they technically are also an ODT because it has two sets of treadmills built in. I am shocked none of the major VR channels have covered them yet..
It's been a while between videos but....this is excellent. A lot of information I've never heard before, well detailed and you included references. Top quality stuff. Thanks Phia!
Ok but what if you just put on some socks and tied yourself to the ceiling? I'm sure with FBT and software wizardry you could have what's essentially a dirt cheap omnidirectional movement rig. I'm probably just missing something, though. (If I'm not then someone please start working on this software)
I see this going the same route as exercise equipment. It will be relatively expensive and most people will not own one. Instead, like gyms, other locations will install multiple units and make them available to the average person to be able to rent for a period of time. So, like game arcades of the '80s, you will go in pay your money to use a VR system for a specified period of time and then it will end when the time is up or you will be given an opportunity prior to that to pay more to continue.
I feel bad for future generations, cuz we were all alive before vr was really a reasonable thing to won, so when we got ours it was a weird but amazing experience. But in like 20 years VR will probobly be so common that every kid will either get one while theyre still young or play their friends VR and it will be so natural from that young age that they will miss out on that same experience that we all got
I feel like It takes more than it really gives, you can't really lie down, jump and stab a down enemy or do a good couple things, especially with the current cost I don't think its gonna become mainstream in the vr community, at least not for a while.
Wonder how they'll deal with a knot fully healthy or 4 limbed human, or even someone who's not that flexible. Wouldn't that limit the motion of your characters?
Great dive into the history of ODT's seems like only yesterday when the kickstarter for KatVR started. Being an old enthusiast of VR and cyberspace in general, it's good to be reminded of how far this technology is getting. Good Job
I'm super impressed in the amount of research you have done here. Even read the papers on it. Do you ever plan to write a thesis on Virtual Reality, i.e. attend graduate school?
I remember seeing stuff about these on G4 like 20 years ago. They were so janky and clickity clacky. Excited to see how this sort of technology progresses
honestly, these are super useful, I broke my TV a few weeks after getting my vr bc of superhot where you need to move around alot, and got way to close to it,
This was an amazing video thank you very much for making it! I really wish i would have bought a kat walk when you could pre-order then, i did not have the money but now they cost over 1 thousand! I dont have that money quite yet XD I do plan on saving up for one soon! after i get a OWO skin. thank you for the video and i cant wait for the next one! you are doing absolutely fantastic! thanks for the video Phia!
At the Patreon list at the end is a little mistake with my Name, there is no "r" in it. Great video with lot's of information. I'm curious which solution at the end will make the race for consumers. It is really a problem to let it feel naturally and such treadmills only for for flat virtual layers, walking up/downwards or using even stairs is difficult and could lead into stumbling.
I tell people to imagine being on a segway or hoverboard. lean into turns and prepare for stops. It helps get past the disconnect your ears are getting. Same with flight and driving sims. lean into those turns push yourself back into the seat when you floor it. Every little bit of imagination you can call upon will be very helpful. Great upload Phia! I agree, though bumpy it is an exciting future indeed.
Really would love to try one of these VR Treadmills to see how they feel, but also worried about falling down in one. Though if I do try it I'll be sure to get on the treadmill first _before_ putting my headset on 😂
I walked on the CyberWalk one a couple of times because I was working at the research institute where it was built. I was super excited at first but that wore off quickly. Admittedly, ODTs are an impressive piece of technology, but - and that is my biggest gripe - walking on them just doesn't feel natural. Actually, walking itself was fine, but changes of pace was what felt unnatural, with coming to a complete stop being the thing that always broke the immersion for me.
In my opinion, an omni-directional VR device that is most attractive in terms of maximizing freedom of movement would be something like a large modular hamster ball, with adjustable roller-equipped panels placed around a central ball-bearing filled base. If something like that can be made compact and easy to move around, it would be a gamechanger for VR gameplay. Though the drawback would be the available space for accommodating a human-sized hamster ball as most homes are usually space-restricted (yet an ODT would be sufficient in that regard), but for those with ample room they would be amazing! Throw in the usual wireless VR equipment for those dynamic jumping, crouching, rolling and falling movements and you're pretty much set for countless hours of fun!
Thing with a giant ball like that would be it's mass. How heavy would it be? Sure, you can have rollers to make it glide much easier, but changing direction, how much force would you be applying versus the momentum of the direction it's already traveling in? Suspect it would need to be made of fiberglass, or carbon fiber to get the weight down. Aluminum at minimum I'm sure, but that's still a lot of metal. She does show someone inside a gerbil ball 1:16
what about the half dive? a semi full dive rig that is in development what are your thoughts on it? being that it is to be used primarily in a laying down position the hardware doesn't have to worry about how heavy it is on your head so you could have a far more high resolution screen, more powerful processors, and tech to increase your immersion.. I think it has potential theirs actually a semi full dive rig you can buy that its price ranges from $400-$1,000 so at its most expensive equal price to the valve index
If i ever get an omnitreadmill: i will need to be able to also sit down in it, play from a seated/ semiseated position (after the fashion of vr shoes. Because of my back and knees)
Phia: "Let's go back to before my time, the 1990's" (negative expression on her face) Me: Preparing for my 30-year high school reunion. So, you can do the math :) lol
4:14 "Man, Gotta love balls" - Out of Context The Virtual Reality Show anyways this was interesting to watch. interesting that VR existed way back... in a way! 1960s
Very informative and fun video! I hope VR treadmills become more compact and easy to use in the future. Our game PREMORTAL will be much more fun if players can actually walk and explore the vast worlds.
Even if I had the money for ODTs, I would probably spend it elsewhere. There's this episode of Batman Beyond called Hooked Up in which you can see what I consider the closest to ‘fully immersive’ VR. No wire, full control of your movements and acceleration in all 8 directions, and so cheap there's a black market of it. I don't know if creating these devices are environment friendly, but somehow, since running VR already requires a high end computer, I have a hunch about that, too. Appreciate the video, though. Thx Phia. ¹ th-cam.com/video/03krFVg7hRs/w-d-xo.html
VR actually was made by copying a process invented way before that1865 Antique Stereo Graphoscope Viewer Stereoview .... Too bad the other inventor of the oculas rift died setting vr back a decade Oculus VR lead engineer Andrew Reisse dies in tragic accident - The Verge. (Andrew was opposed to selling to FB he wanted it indie developer friendly). Great video subscribed. You provided content of an interesting nature with an upbeat outlook with minimal errors and maximum relevance.
(2018) Me:oh wow its vr i love it (2022) Me:i swear to god if we become SAO characters and if people die cause of VR this world should have perish at the start (note the vr can kill people over Heartattack such as ideas like falling of buildings that are so realistically high you feel like your gonna die)
As much as I love VR I'd have to really debate on what kind of treadmill I want to buy, and to be honest as a consumer I'd probably only want to spend maybe $350-$450 max.
at the very least those who do have one can struggle against the chains of the ODT and be worn out in-world. no longer will your arm joints be worn pit. but your full upwards and down too.., glory be the days you can go prone, eagle, and up in a treadmill. or a system that allows you do do all without the need of a safety harness.(gotta imagine how solid the floor must be tho.., all i all, i just hope Conscious/Being Transfer without invasive procedures become a thing.(maybe a physical stimulation bonus for all the activities that will be done once control in-world is done by the mind. since id rather not reach any kind of dystopia where body modification is the go to.(Much rather prefer extra bodies custom made, or cloned/machined of different materials-be they organic, coded, or smithed.) but thats going too far ahead. maybe one day ill enjoy one of these sets, but for me. ill probably go Index in the future.(hope for the future)
I don't think they really make sense outside of a commercial setting for the forseeable future. Still, it's great how much this stuff has proliferated in the last decade. In another decade or so I'm sure we'll have VR tech that blows the current gen out of the water. Thanks for making this video, was very interesting and I walked away knowing a lot more than I did.
So... how would going prone work with a VR treadmill? In games like Onward, this setup would make low crouching and going prone exceptionally awkward, if not impossible.
they won't be mainstream until they can be about the size of metal DDR pads and can slide under a bed. Or even multiple DDR pads that snap together. NGL, that military unicycle thing gives me an idea though. instead of being supported by a the just the waist, have a little seat too. Then just have shoe clipons that have little roller balls and literally optical/laser mice built in. The floor would only have basic sensors so it knows where you stepped, then the "mouse" tracking would take over. If any companies want to steal this idea, fine, just give me a free one when it's done.
There's a big difference between Need and Want. We may want treadmills but we don't need them. VR is fine without it. Plus in a VR space we can cover vast distances and if we had to actually walk for hours we'd quickly ditch the treadmills. Plus there's a big difference between a sliding platform and a moving platform. The sliding ones are just a lot of effort for bio-feedback that's not worth the effort. The moving platforms quickly cause you to stumble if you try to move faster than a slow walk or make any sudden changes in direction or speed. This is because humans can move surprisingly fast and turn on a dime. The treadmills suffer from momentum. They can't suddenly stop and reverse as fast as humans can, and they can't predict when the user is going to make a sudden change in direction or speed. So invariable people fall over.
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Hi there, PHIA.
Thank you so much for your video well prepared with such a deep research, which shows in a special way the history of VR treadmill.
It also give us a more constructive point of view to make progress!
🦾 But the same as you, as all the VR gamers who have a burning desire to explore this virtual world, it's always a pleasure to participate in this process and do all we could to shorten this distance.
Y'all just need strafing and backwards movement and maybe a sound reduction and I'll buy it no questions asked
@@thebush6077 What about crouching? I will say, I was seeing all the treadmills with full rings, and this one only has the attachment at the back, which is a huge advantage.
you got ratio'd by thrill...
Put the treadmill in shoes!
Kat products feels like ass to walk in, you get lower back pain in less than 2 min. Avoid the feets sliding into bowl type of ODT, the flat ones with moving parts are the way to go.
Hands down the best composite of VR treadmill information out there.
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Best VR duo out there!
@@lemon-centedsquidfoo.5600 or maybe they’re just friends irl that work together sometimes and compliment eachothers work as friends/ professionals. Hope you had fun using the word you just learned, kid.
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It's ok to simp for phia
Well done, PHIA. It was a pleasure helping you with this.
Thanks, David! :) Appreciate your leading contributions to this awesome technology!
I love the advances this tech can bring to the market and now it just depends on the applications. I want to play Elder scrolls 6 in Native VR (not like Skyrim tacked on stuff) with a full Omni set up.
Hey. Can you make me a Locacaca fruit?
I dunno Skyrim VR is pretty complex when you mod tf out of it. I can actually eat food with a fork and knife, and see bites taken away, can use my actual voice to talk to NPC's and use shouts, and my weapons make contact with enemies and I can slap Nazeem in his smug ass face! 😂
Neat, I appreciate the historical context for ODTs. I find the whole development of VR that's happening right now totally fascinating and I'm convinced it's gonna change the future in a big way.
Thank you for the great research and time you committed to this!
Love your stuff, it always feels really professionally done.
this made me so excited, im planning on treating myself to my first VR headset for christmas this year, and can't wait for a few years down the line when this tech is more polished. i would totally invest in a treadmill like this, and honestly i dont even think 1500$ is that bad!
honestly quite incredible.
"Well before my time, the 1990's"
*my fucking soul that that's accurate for so many of us now*
Great video Phia and one day I will get one of them because the immersion is amazing.
Very informative video! Instantly subscribed. :)
The 1990s was way before your time? I swore PHIA was also in her mid 20s. Wild. Feeling kinda old now ngl.
be something when the treadmills are affortable some 10-20 years from now as with other vr gadgets
I bet that in like 10 years most people will have one of these in their homes
I’m gonna be honest… that thumbnail made me think of something…… completely different
All I'm saying is, hamster wheels. In a bowl of ball bearings.
Great video! I'm curious what your thoughts are on FB's "metaverse" superbowl ad.
this is cools.
I'm wondering why so many viewers choose "that" exact Most Replayed
Huh, just a brightful smile, very noice
That "tripping on balls" joke dropped perfectly.
She be Trppin Balls
I was laughing hard after that one ngl
"dropped" ha
Seriously, this is the best show about Virtual Reality, the culture, the tech, the people.
As someone new to VR I haven't found anything on par in the last couple months.
So happy to see a new episode. : D
❤️
And the host is an adorable sweetheart of a person. 🤗
ThrillSeeker is better D:
@@Arunnejiro What is this Heresy!?
@@Arunnejiro I like thrillseeker, but for completely different reasons.
I know youve been trippin about views lately, just know the quality of your content WILL inevitably carry you to higher levels. Youve already seen crazy numbers, especially for the size of your channel. Dont get discouraged, as VR grows you might reach heights you never thought imaginable. You and Thrill have infectious personalities and we love your genuine love for VR and the community 💙
Indeed, quality content like this will propel this channel. Keep it up!
When Sony was producing CD based camcorders in the early 2000s it knew that they were a evolutionary dead end and that eventually solid state memory would get small enough and cheap enough to use instead. However they still had to produce something to stay on the market and stay relevant with people.
I view a lot of the current 3D treadmills in the same light. I don't think they're going to be the solution to the movement problem long term but are the best solution we have at the moment
"Far before my time... the 1990s." OOF. OUCH. OWIE. I think I just got stabbed right in my 30's.
I'm only 25 and that made me feel OLD
Lmao stinky millineals, it’s zoomer time 😎
As an elder millineal born in in the 1900s I feel so attacked right now.
I do have to respect the 'tripping on balls' joke.
It strikes me that there's really no perfect solution to this...
Replacing the physical experience of motion, with something that counters intent and holds you in place, will ALWAYS feel... 'off'... Since the physical experience is literally the floor sliding away from you as you walk.
It feels like it would be easier to put us in a full Matrix like state and make us dream VR than do it this way 🤣
I agree, I think the best we'll get in the near future (in terms of physical immersion) will be dedicated "arenas" where you can put on a headset and explore the virtual world built on top of said arena. Otherwise, to get "full" immersion in a VR world would essentially require plugging your brain straight into the experience.
this would cost way too much but the only really viable option for the best feeling i could come up with would be like a padded exoskeleton from your feet up to your chest that would suspend the user in the air with only the feet part actually limiting your "height" from the ground, with "haptic feedback" on your steps by limiting the extent of your legs with the virtual floor as you run or take a step, obviously all this jibber jabber comes with a lot of complications and stuff but meh hahaha dreaming for a better future :v
@@joaquinfraustoalfarorocco8177 I mean it would make sense and it would occupy the same space as a closet, but at the same time it only takes one person to get trapped inside one of them to make them scary
Neuralink.
The current problem with ODT is engineering, while as for Matrix, we don't even have the science for it yet.
"Greatest love story ever told; war and technology" what a quote! Great video Phia!
I love the look of the Katwalk, although I can never tell from things I've seen if it's noisey to use . I imagine it sounding kinda stompy as if you were running on a hollow frame and it looks hard to balance on. With those in mind though, I still might have to have a look at one properly one day.
Good video dude, keep it up!
Thrillseeker has some pretty extensive videos on the Kat Walk.
th-cam.com/video/Ng0EdYP0YYI/w-d-xo.html
I sounds like it gets better over time? Definitely don't wanna have an apartment above others I'd say
no such thing as noise or not, doesn't matter
I believe the future of vr is gonna be insane but I also know it's gonna be so MANY YEARS until we get anything close to perfection.
We will never have perfection, but what we are getting now and in the near future is really cool
We're never gonna hit perfection until we get full-dive VR that hooks directly into our brain and nervous system. Which... probably ain't ever gonna happen lol.
@@ThatRipOff considering how technology evolves, it's only a question of when.
Its scary tho innit.
In a few decades time I want to be piloting a space ship in full vr where I can feel the sensations and am full immersed. Could take 20 years or even 100 but we should be able tog et there one day.
loved the evil mickey laugh you threw in there lol! you're awesome phia!
"way before my time, the 1990s." Everyone who's older than 21 is gonna feel that lol
My heart sank......
Lmao cope stinky millineals, it’s zoomer time 😎
Honestly the kat walk c feels way more natural than it looks. The only part that kind of sucks is the crouching and backing up/strafing but for just forward movement or turning your whole body it's freaking great.
PHIA: "Ah, the greatest love story ever told, War and Technology."
Me: You're not wrong.
Great overview! Really informative. It's really exciting to see how this tech has evolved, and I'm excited to see how it continues.
Thanks so much! Love what you're doing too, keep up the great innovations :D
@@TheVirtualRealityShow That's great to hear! I will.
Low tech, low budget version = a patch of a low friction surface such as ice, oil, or polished wax.
Slightly more money = a bicycle seat on a bar stool base at just the right height that your feet do not touch the ground.
My low budget version is a climbing harness on a swivel mount. was $100 usd in parts. No slip, just stomp. Works well, but can't crouch all the way. You have to duck to go into sneak mode. For motion tracking I've used Natural Locomotion and Kat Loco S. NaLo has a smoother feel to it.
After a week of vr whenever I started, I was literally using my hand to try and move irl
The surprisingly good Mickey Laugh absolutely blindsided me lmaoooooo
I may not be a engineer but the Balls may be the best option for consumers to have a full sprint and walk experience hear me out, as a sphere you have true 360 degree movement, with some sensors to calculate rotation and speed for the input you can have a full IRL walking experience granted it has rubberized spheres for better grip
the omni treadmills is the VR tech that we need the most, sometime guardian, hands hitting the walls just make me want to ragequit. The immersion break is so huge ^^
uhm
deepdive should be even better
Why does nobody ever mention FreeAim VR shoes?? I know they aren't available at a consumer level yet but they are an insane concept and I was really hoping to see them on here with how many different concepts you were mentioning. While they are shoes, they technically are also an ODT because it has two sets of treadmills built in.
I am shocked none of the major VR channels have covered them yet..
Do you guys know for sure when the Tundra Trackers will realese this month?
Great video, super informative. Hopefully we see these things becoming more and more accessible to consumers as time goes on.
Okay but... what if instead of treadmills we do something to shoes
Can I just add, I love the dedication to wearing the same outfit IRL that you have in VR 😂
It's been a while between videos but....this is excellent. A lot of information I've never heard before, well detailed and you included references. Top quality stuff. Thanks Phia!
Ok but what if you just put on some socks and tied yourself to the ceiling? I'm sure with FBT and software wizardry you could have what's essentially a dirt cheap omnidirectional movement rig. I'm probably just missing something, though. (If I'm not then someone please start working on this software)
That was informative! There's a lot of innovation happening. Can't wait to see how VR will look like in a decade
I see this going the same route as exercise equipment. It will be relatively expensive and most people will not own one. Instead, like gyms, other locations will install multiple units and make them available to the average person to be able to rent for a period of time. So, like game arcades of the '80s, you will go in pay your money to use a VR system for a specified period of time and then it will end when the time is up or you will be given an opportunity prior to that to pay more to continue.
I feel bad for future generations, cuz we were all alive before vr was really a reasonable thing to won, so when we got ours it was a weird but amazing experience. But in like 20 years VR will probobly be so common that every kid will either get one while theyre still young or play their friends VR and it will be so natural from that young age that they will miss out on that same experience that we all got
I feel like It takes more than it really gives, you can't really lie down, jump and stab a down enemy or do a good couple things, especially with the current cost I don't think its gonna become mainstream in the vr community, at least not for a while.
>tell me that you're a zoomer without telling me you're a zoomer
> 2:16
another part of Ready Player One, hopefully it goes down in price but one day I can save up
Wonder how they'll deal with a knot fully healthy or 4 limbed human, or even someone who's not that flexible. Wouldn't that limit the motion of your characters?
This was an amazing review, thank you for putting this together Phia!
Great dive into the history of ODT's seems like only yesterday when the kickstarter for KatVR started. Being an old enthusiast of VR and cyberspace in general, it's good to be reminded of how far this technology is getting. Good Job
ODT deep dive? This is more like an ODT full dive.
I'm super impressed in the amount of research you have done here. Even read the papers on it. Do you ever plan to write a thesis on Virtual Reality, i.e. attend graduate school?
I remember seeing stuff about these on G4 like 20 years ago. They were so janky and clickity clacky. Excited to see how this sort of technology progresses
"Gotta love the balls"- Phia, february 16th, 2022
That mickey laugh made me want drink something just so I could spit it out.
honestly, these are super useful, I broke my TV a few weeks after getting my vr bc of superhot where you need to move around alot, and got way to close to it,
Can't believe I haven't stumbled upon your channel yet. Subbed!
She has a beautiful voice and she is very articulate. If she isn't already a voice actor, I think she'd be perfect for the job.
This was an amazing video thank you very much for making it!
I really wish i would have bought a kat walk when you could pre-order then, i did not have the money but now they cost over 1 thousand! I dont have that money quite yet XD
I do plan on saving up for one soon! after i get a OWO skin.
thank you for the video and i cant wait for the next one! you are doing absolutely fantastic! thanks for the video Phia!
It was really interesting !
At the Patreon list at the end is a little mistake with my Name, there is no "r" in it.
Great video with lot's of information. I'm curious which solution at the end will make the race for consumers. It is really a problem to let it feel naturally and such treadmills only for for flat virtual layers, walking up/downwards or using even stairs is difficult and could lead into stumbling.
I tell people to imagine being on a segway or hoverboard. lean into turns and prepare for stops. It helps get past the disconnect your ears are getting. Same with flight and driving sims. lean into those turns push yourself back into the seat when you floor it. Every little bit of imagination you can call upon will be very helpful. Great upload Phia! I agree, though bumpy it is an exciting future indeed.
Hi, Phia. I wasn't expecting anything this in-depth from the thumbnail. I was surprised, great job on being so informative.
Look up Ekto VR...
They are robotic shoes that let you walk in place... Small affordable and fit almost everyone... That's the way to go...
Really would love to try one of these VR Treadmills to see how they feel, but also worried about falling down in one. Though if I do try it I'll be sure to get on the treadmill first _before_ putting my headset on 😂
I walked on the CyberWalk one a couple of times because I was working at the research institute where it was built. I was super excited at first but that wore off quickly. Admittedly, ODTs are an impressive piece of technology, but - and that is my biggest gripe - walking on them just doesn't feel natural. Actually, walking itself was fine, but changes of pace was what felt unnatural, with coming to a complete stop being the thing that always broke the immersion for me.
I just notice she change her Channel name back
The ball bearing versions are very promising. I hope this comes to the market soon.
This is one of the funniest line I’ve ever heard 2:28
This is a great comprehensive breakdown at where we're at with ODTs. Great stuff Phia!
This is like my history class but better.
In my opinion, an omni-directional VR device that is most attractive in terms of maximizing freedom of movement would be something like a large modular hamster ball, with adjustable roller-equipped panels placed around a central ball-bearing filled base. If something like that can be made compact and easy to move around, it would be a gamechanger for VR gameplay.
Though the drawback would be the available space for accommodating a human-sized hamster ball as most homes are usually space-restricted (yet an ODT would be sufficient in that regard), but for those with ample room they would be amazing!
Throw in the usual wireless VR equipment for those dynamic jumping, crouching, rolling and falling movements and you're pretty much set for countless hours of fun!
Thing with a giant ball like that would be it's mass. How heavy would it be? Sure, you can have rollers to make it glide much easier, but changing direction, how much force would you be applying versus the momentum of the direction it's already traveling in? Suspect it would need to be made of fiberglass, or carbon fiber to get the weight down. Aluminum at minimum I'm sure, but that's still a lot of metal. She does show someone inside a gerbil ball 1:16
what about the half dive?
a semi full dive rig that is in development
what are your thoughts on it?
being that it is to be used primarily in a laying down position the hardware doesn't have to worry about how heavy it is on your head so you could have a far more high resolution screen, more powerful processors, and tech to increase your immersion..
I think it has potential
theirs actually a semi full dive rig you can buy that its price ranges from $400-$1,000 so at its most expensive equal price to the valve index
1990 is before your times?
When did you born!? I thought that you at least 25-30 y. o.
If i ever get an omnitreadmill: i will need to be able to also sit down in it, play from a seated/ semiseated position (after the fashion of vr shoes. Because of my back and knees)
Am I actually first
DARN IT!
Phia: "Let's go back to before my time, the 1990's" (negative expression on her face)
Me: Preparing for my 30-year high school reunion.
So, you can do the math :) lol
4:14 "Man, Gotta love balls" - Out of Context The Virtual Reality Show
anyways this was interesting to watch. interesting that VR existed way back... in a way! 1960s
I'm going to forever call my vrmotion sickness Cybersickness now. Holyshit that's such a cool term please keep using it. It NEEDS to be mainstream
Very informative and fun video! I hope VR treadmills become more compact and easy to use in the future. Our game PREMORTAL will be much more fun if players can actually walk and explore the vast worlds.
“So let’s time travel to far back before my time…the 1990s”
Oof. I felt that in my bones.
Third? Damn this got posted literal seconds ago. I Just started YT xD
Watching now, Seems to be another good video from the get-go.
Even if I had the money for ODTs, I would probably spend it elsewhere. There's this episode of Batman Beyond called Hooked Up in which you can see what I consider the closest to ‘fully immersive’ VR. No wire, full control of your movements and acceleration in all 8 directions, and so cheap there's a black market of it. I don't know if creating these devices are environment friendly, but somehow, since running VR already requires a high end computer, I have a hunch about that, too. Appreciate the video, though. Thx Phia.
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4:01 is that Kyle from Bitwit?
VR actually was made by copying a process invented way before that1865 Antique Stereo Graphoscope Viewer Stereoview .... Too bad the other inventor of the oculas rift died setting vr back a decade Oculus VR lead engineer Andrew Reisse dies in tragic accident - The Verge. (Andrew was opposed to selling to FB he wanted it indie developer friendly). Great video subscribed. You provided content of an interesting nature with an upbeat outlook with minimal errors and maximum relevance.
(2018) Me:oh wow its vr i love it
(2022) Me:i swear to god if we become SAO characters and if people die cause of VR this world should have perish at the start
(note the vr can kill people over Heartattack such as ideas like falling of buildings that are so realistically high you feel like your gonna die)
When you said the KAT wwalk was affordable I was thinking like 4 grand easy. Seeing that their most expensive model is only 1300 bucks blows my mind.
As much as I love VR I'd have to really debate on what kind of treadmill I want to buy, and to be honest as a consumer I'd probably only want to spend maybe $350-$450 max.
at the very least those who do have one can struggle against the chains of the ODT and be worn out in-world.
no longer will your arm joints be worn pit. but your full upwards and down too.., glory be the days you can go prone, eagle, and up in a treadmill. or a system that allows you do do all without the need of a safety harness.(gotta imagine how solid the floor must be tho..,
all i all, i just hope Conscious/Being Transfer without invasive procedures become a thing.(maybe a physical stimulation bonus for all the activities that will be done once control in-world is done by the mind.
since id rather not reach any kind of dystopia where body modification is the go to.(Much rather prefer extra bodies custom made, or cloned/machined of different materials-be they organic, coded, or smithed.)
but thats going too far ahead.
maybe one day ill enjoy one of these sets, but for me. ill probably go Index in the future.(hope for the future)
I'd love a working treadmill. The locomotion sickness hits me Hard. I've just started messing around in VRchat...but the movement really screws me up.
I don't think they really make sense outside of a commercial setting for the forseeable future. Still, it's great how much this stuff has proliferated in the last decade. In another decade or so I'm sure we'll have VR tech that blows the current gen out of the water. Thanks for making this video, was very interesting and I walked away knowing a lot more than I did.
this was the first of your videos I've watched, And I can honestly say, it was thoroughly enjoyable
So... how would going prone work with a VR treadmill? In games like Onward, this setup would make low crouching and going prone exceptionally awkward, if not impossible.
they won't be mainstream until they can be about the size of metal DDR pads and can slide under a bed. Or even multiple DDR pads that snap together.
NGL, that military unicycle thing gives me an idea though. instead of being supported by a the just the waist, have a little seat too.
Then just have shoe clipons that have little roller balls and literally optical/laser mice built in. The floor would only have basic sensors so it knows where you stepped, then the "mouse" tracking would take over.
If any companies want to steal this idea, fine, just give me a free one when it's done.
There's a big difference between Need and Want. We may want treadmills but we don't need them. VR is fine without it. Plus in a VR space we can cover vast distances and if we had to actually walk for hours we'd quickly ditch the treadmills. Plus there's a big difference between a sliding platform and a moving platform. The sliding ones are just a lot of effort for bio-feedback that's not worth the effort. The moving platforms quickly cause you to stumble if you try to move faster than a slow walk or make any sudden changes in direction or speed. This is because humans can move surprisingly fast and turn on a dime. The treadmills suffer from momentum. They can't suddenly stop and reverse as fast as humans can, and they can't predict when the user is going to make a sudden change in direction or speed. So invariable people fall over.