Watch before you buy the new Nikon 600mm F4 in 2020!
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- Watch before you buy a Nikon 600mm F4 lens. What I would do before I bought this lens. To quote one of the great photographers of our generation, "Do we take portraits of people with super-telephoto lenses, no. Then why use a telephoto lens to take portraits of wildlife?", David Yarrow.
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This lens is probably more for the bird and professional photographer but even in my hands. For us, regular Joes, get yourself on a trip instead!
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So lets all take a photo of a Grizzly bear in a Zoo rather than in its natural environment - thanks, I will continue to use my 6oo f/4
Hi Gary, Thank you for taking the time to comment. The 600mm Lens is a great purchase, it's just if you thinking of upgrading your gear or going on that once in lifetime trip to see grizzly bears than rather do the trip. But hey if you can do both then absolutely go for it.
Exact my thoughts. Try again
Thank you for your comment Chris. We have always been advocates for animals in their natural habitat.
I respect your opinion but for me there is nothing better for Wildlife than a 600mm f/4. it’s faster by 1 stop what means ISO 6400 rather than ISO 12800 with f/5.6. and you much better can separate subject from background, in bird photography you cannot every time select the composition or distance, birds don’t act according to your direction or will. So no, the 500mm 5.6 is nice one but not for me.
Hi Stefan1968ful, thank you for your comment. You are so right. I often see people out with big lenses and most often then not its the 600mm. But I have to say when I look at the images that are real eye catches with photographers like David Yarrow, his images are taken with a 50mm or even wide sometimes. If I had to suggest to someone should they buy the lens or spend the extra money on going to a private game reserve with the best guide where they can have the freedom to get images very close then I will always say spend the money on the experience. But your point is absolutely valid.
But you own one..?
Hi sedy25… I do not own one. Nikon kindly lent it to me for this video. But like I say in the video - if I had to choose a lens or an adventure I will always choose the adventure.
I’ll make sure to check my fridge for a penguin, next time I open it. I hope to have my camera ready🙄
Hi Freddy! Thank you for your comment! Hahahaha... Yes, make sure to stand a little further back as well 😉
I am downgrading from 800mm FL to 600mm FL (in my situation it's worth it as I got both of them 50% of the original price). It's about money if you can find the cheap used lens in your country :)
Thanks for your thoughts.
Hi Salem, thank you for taking the time to comment on our video! Yes absolutely. If you can find a 2nd hand item at a good price and you need that length agreed. However I will always recommend experience in amazing destinations over expensive gear. If you have time would be interesting to see what prices you got them for. Cheers Murray
@@cmtravels
Sure,
I got 800mm FL (9300 USD Like NEW!!!
I just bought 600mm FL 5600 USD Like NEW!!!)
thinking to sale my 800mm in US market :)
Wow really good deals! Yes the 800 must be a beast! Have not tried one out yet. The 600 seems a smarter choice :)
@@masrahi where did you get the 600mm for that price?
People often says that current camera bodies have good enough ISO capabilities to take f5.6 maximum aperture lenses, but nobody talks about what happens to the camera AF capabilities with anything smaller than a F4 maximum aperture lens. Even my D5 takes a great hit in that regard and looses many cross AF points.
I currently have a 500mm f4 G VR, and the next thing I will do when the circumstances allow me, is to switch it for a 600mm f4 FL.
Happy pictures everyone!
Hi Javier, Thank you for your comment!
Yes so true! It is a great lens for specific uses. But I will always recommend an experience over gear. In most cases you wont get your best photos on your first trip. Usually its a steep learning curve!
Look forward to your comments in the next video!
Great vid, you made me laugh. I'll be sure to check out some more. I also love the 500PF, I take it everywhere, its light enough to hike with and have just in case ...
Thank you so much Katie! I am glad you enjoyed the video! I did a review on the 500 PF - see it here - th-cam.com/video/eZThkfA_pFg/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic lenses! Each of course I think geared towards certain types and pockets of photographers.
Look forward to seeing your comments in the next video!
Thanks for the great vid. I’m 80% with you on the 500mm f5.6 but there’s still part of me that is considering a older model of the 600mm F4. Just getting that extra light and subject separation that you get with the F4 really has me on the fence. The first release of the 600mm f4 AF-S silent wave model (1996?)without VR can be had for slightly less now than a new 500mm f5.6. My thinking is that since the F4 lens is so heavy it’s going to always be on a tripod so I don’t really need the VR and the image quality and build of this model should be on par with the 500mm f5.6 and the latest versions of the f4. Do you have any experience with this older version of the 600mm f4? Thanks!
Hi Dan B, thank you for your comment! Unfortunately I do not have any experience with the older lens. I think you spot on with the separation element as well as the light factors. For me the weight and quiet auto focus plus auto focus speed is amazing and is more for what I need. But if those things are further down your list then absolutely the older version would do just fine. 😊👍
Hi Dan, If your still interested in a older large prime lens, I have a few years experience and still own the original AFS 600f/4D lens, also I’ve rented both the G and E-FL lenses and have limited ex w them. If you have any questions feel free or anyone else to reach out, i’ll answer to the best of my knowledge.
I currently use the 500PF lens as well as the D500 combo. I've been using this combo for quite some time and I would say it's always tough for us wildlife photographers to be happy with what we currently have because we always want something "better", but honestly location is extremely important for getting close enough to your subjects to capture that intimacy that draws attention to your photographs. I wanted the 600 F4 for so long, but after realizing that an extra 8-10 grand is gonna give me a slightly smoother background, some more range "which might be hard for close subjects" and a touch more light to work with is not worth that investment for something you can get the same quality with for a bit more efforts put into scoping out hotspots for wildlife in your area or just a little bit of luck. I also don't think putting endless wear your spinal chord is worth it in the long run of traveling with this monster of a lens over a course of several years. Just an eye opener for anyone stuck in the mindset that your gear can't do the job, because it can. Take a look at my photos and you can judge for yourself. Great video though! Cheers!
William thank you for your comment! Always interesting to hear the communities thoughts! The 500 PF is fantastic and as you say has some qualities that are better than the 600mm. I suppose my main objective is really point how important finding the right location and the importance of experiences in our lives. As we speak I have the 400mm F2.8 and 500mm F4 FL lenses in the office but they not giving me great experiences. The experiences and memories are the important aspect as much as the right gear to capture the image you are looking for and if you weighing up going on a trip or focusing on gear I will always say go the trip! Look forward to hearing more from you in the new videos!
Thanks for the Video and I see you point. From where you stand it makes sense, but it boils down to priorities here. If one is 'all in' re image quality, separation, background blur and as much reach as possible and sharpness then he/she should opt for the 600 f/4 as this lens is true magic! If one has a tight budget and must consider travelling into the equation and handholding the lens (as opposed to a monopod or tripod) then a 500 PF F/5.6 should do. One stop of light when you shooting 1/2500 or eve 1/3200 isn't something that can be overlooked. Not everyone owns a D5 or D6 and APS-C cameras don't perform as well as FF cameras when it comes down to ISO. Ah I forgot, one more point to make (which is quite important and that's why people drop the big money on an f/4): whilst the 500 PF f/5.6 is a great light option to carry, it's all nice and good if 500 will do. If you need 700mm and you need to use a 1.4 TC then you'll be working at f8 and, if memory serves me right, this is where AF starts imposing you limitations (i.e. not all the AF points are available to you at that aperture). With the 600 f/4 (which is a 611mm by the way), if you use a 1.4 TC sets you back at an aperture of f/5.6 however ALL of your AF points are still available to you! Need extra reach? Attach the combo to a crop sensor D500 and you'll be at 1,283 mm (but still shooting at f/5.6 !! ). Apologies but this point was far too important to leave out... And of course, you'll be still be getting the top notch quality that comes with the heavy but marvellous 600mm f/4 Nikkor !!
Hi Enrico! Thank you for your comment! Yes, absolutely it has further reach and there is a very sweet spot at the F4. But it's hard to go all for it at 13 000 US. Whereas the 500 f5.6 is around 3500. The light is a big factor as well. I remember using it late in the twilight zone and just amazed at how much light it was still picking up. Look forward to seeing your comments in the next video!
Not what I was expecting. Funny. Wouldn't be worth it for a month in Africa but, For 4-5 days, or a a week, Just rent it. I have seen litely used vr-2 versions sell for 6k us. Once a D4S with the 60MM F4 VR2 FOR $6500. US. You have to have the money ready, always looking, & pounce on the deal when it shows up. Heck , you could of sold the 4s for $2500 back then!
Hey Ted Ted! Thank you so much for your comments!!@! I am glad you had a chuckle about it! Yea im super biased on travel! Rather do the experience than the gear and as you say rent one! Perhaps you can check out the more recent video I did with the 600mm FL F4 using it on both the Z7 and the D850! Cheers, till next time!
That's so ..... reasonable.... and you're 100% right. .......................................... But I still want an 600mm F4.
Hahaha... It's kinda like that wanting your dream classic car... its expensive, a fortune to maintain, makes no sense in fuel economy..... but you still want it anyway!!!
@@cmtravels I have to say though that photography, like driving, is also about the experience. Taking a shot with a dslr is a different experience than taking it with your cell phone and similarly with a pro lens and pro body compared to a consumer setup.
I own a d850 and a D4s and shooting with a single digit body just feels like a whole different level for some reason.
Could not agree more... experiences are truly special and the gear is half of it. Where you are and who you are with is also very important. I would go so far as to say that those things are more important than gear! :)
Maybe its just the ergonomics ;)
Thanks for that. I brings back my priorities instead of my wants.
Thanks for the comment violearn!! You are welcome! I hope it gave you a little entertainment value too!
I had the D850 and 500mm f5.6 pf but didn't get on with it . It worked more like an f8 with slow autofocus especially bad in low light ! Give me the Nikon D500 and 300mm pf, 🤔 now that is a great Nikon option !
Hi Camilla & I, Thank you for your interesting comment! The D500 is just a super camera! I keep hearing great things about it. Are you referring to the 70-300pf lens? The lightweight and price tag of the 500mm pf is just tough to ignore especially those who are needing that longer 500mm. Looking forward to hearing more from you!
@@cmtravels No the 300f4 PF, much better than the 500 f5.6 PF in my experience, practical use and opinion !
Oh of course! I have used the little pocket rocket! I love the 300mm its by far my favourite focal length! It is so small and so sharp! Look forward to hearing you comments in the next video!
The D850 works great with the 500mm f/4 G VR. "I have not tried the 500 pf. I heard people love the D500 with the 500mm PF
so basically don't buy the 600mm lens but instead book a trip with you haha okay. :P
Experiences are the important thing :) If you want the best come with us! But I still think you should go to Antarctica anyway! Or anywhere where you can enjoy nature! Thank you for your comment Raevenswood! :)
@@cmtravels haha right on!
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Can’t beat the versatility on the 300 2.8 with TC’s.
Good video! Thanks a lot 🙏 it helps me really make My decision
Hi Markus! Thank you for your comments! If you are looking for an even more in-depth review on this lens check out - th-cam.com/video/N4SBURqpvyY/w-d-xo.html
Used it on the D850 as well as the Z7 with the FTZ adapter.
Thank you so much. definitely I will subscribe to you
Thank you so much for subscribing! I really appreciate that! We look forward to seeing your comments in the next video!
Very cool video, still very tempted to buy that 600 tho 😝 Love your humour, you deserve a ton of views and subscribes ! ✨
Wow, thank you so much, Matthieu... I went through other reviews of this lens and thought everyone is so serious and I wanted to break it down to the basics again! It is a lovely piece of glass but expensive and specific kinds of photographers may need this lens! Look forward to hearing your comments in the next video! 😀
I loved this video! Thank you!!! Now I'm decided to go for the Nikkor 500 5.6 PF!
Hi Pau! Thank you so much for your comment... Glad you enjoyed the video! Its a wonderful lens and I must say the more lenses I use which are bigger and heavier, the more I think back to this lens. Very good quality. Expected though at that price :)
Photographers are crazy in general, but you are definitely topping that and I like it! Thanks for sharing!
Rafael!! Thank you so much for the comment it means a lot to us! CRAZY is always better ;)
Well articulated one. What's your recommendation buying used 600F4 G ED lens?
All I know about it is that is heavier than this FL lens Photography Tips. I am sure it is a very good lens and in some instances that zoom length is needed.
@@cmtravels thanks for reply
Sigma 500mm f4
Hi Thomas, thank you for your comment! Never had used a 500mm Sigma F4... Maybe I should give them a call ;)
That would be great
Lol! I have the Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3
Its a crazy price for a lens. I still think the 500mm f5.6 is a decent enough lens with a similar reach. Unfortunately I have not tested many third party lenses but as you say they work just fine. :) Look forward to hearing your comments in the next video withe 600mm FL with the Z7. Should be out Friday!
Because your lens isn't terribly good in low light, isn't actually 600mm due to focus breathing, the optics are significantly worse than an EF 500mm f4 MK2/600mm MK2, your lens deteriorates in IQ with an extender, an expensive prime doesn't, the bokeh is far far nicer and the build quality is second to none.
Think about it this way, in the morning at 8am, I have to use ISO 8,000 at f4, what are you shooting at to get the same exposure on your 6.3? Not to mention the significance of the difference in image quality as you bring up the MP, focus speed also, shutter speed.
What is your level of comfort shooting with the Sigma in the rain? (or most any zoom with external extension). I am sure it does not match the D500s ability to easily shed the rain. I think the Sigma is excellent value but it is a compromise in photo and build quality compared to the 600 which can mean the difference between staying home and getting out there in inclement weather. That said I do own the 600 and with a bad knee it is a big job wandering far from the parking lot with any more than that lens in tow where the Sigma would be more versatile and I would be able to handle longer excursions. I guess I need a lens caddy because i am not selling my 600! Excellent video btw CM Travels. Lots of valid points to consider.
@@davetugwood1770 Hi Dave, Thank you so much for your comments in this video! I hope to see more in the next videos! Look after that knee... I think hiring a lens caddy (ie - young fit family or friend??) is cheaper and far less painful than a knee replacement!
Because is better than any Sigma, lol.
Great lens the 600mm. In the end I bought the 800mm f5.6e, it's a beast but the quality is unbelievable. Still the PFs are great also.
Hi Sam! Thank you for your comment!! Very interesting! I have not had a go with the 800mm. The 600 is of course really good but man what you can do... Look forward to hearing more from you in the next video!
@@cmtravels Yes definitely. Cheers Sam