Many thanks! I do try to keep things natural, I see many images far too over processed with saturation/contrast etc and thats not really how the natural world looks! Cheers, Tom
I decided to trade my 400mm f/2.8E VR FL for the 500mm f/4E VR FL and I'm so much happier. It's only 6.5lbs and it's so well balanced it feels even lighter than it is. It's lighter than the 180-400mm or 120-300mm lenses and gives you all 99 cross-type AF points on the D5, D500, D850 while the 600mm FL featured here only offers 63 Cross-type points. The 500FL is unbelievable with the TC-14E III and you don't lose any IQ, maybe 3-5% but it's not noticeable, especially when you consider the 600FL loses more like 15-25% IQ when using the TC-14E III. When I had the 400FL, I almost always had the TC-14E III and or my D500 to get extra reach. However now I can get 700mm f/5.6 with the 1.4x and 1050mm with a D500 and TC-14E III. So I no longer want for reach, my AF remains extremely fast, my image quality is slightly higher than the 600FL, especially with the TC-14E III attached. Now having said all of that the 500FL is also cheaper and easier to find used for a decent price. I've seen them go for between $7499-$8000+ USD used, but I've heard of people getting them for even less. While the 600FL is hard to find used and if you do it's more like $9500-$10,500+, but it does have an advantage and that is the out of focus blur. No lens can match a 600mm f/4 as far as parallax or the opening of the aperture known as the entrance pupil, which is a mathematical equation. The 600mm has an entrance pupil measurement of 150mm and the 500mm f/4 only has measurement of 125mm. While the differences can be apparent in many instances, background blur is more about subject distance, distance to background from the subject and your distance to subject. This where things can start to equal out in some instances, the 600FL has about a 17.5ft minimum focusing distance and the 500FL has a much shorter 9.3ft minimum so it can help the 500FL as far as background blur when close to your subjects. My main reason though for switching to the 500FL from the 400FL, and for not buying the 600FL, were weight savings and handholding ability. I can handhold my 500FL for long periods of time with some rest in between shots. I also can easily use it on my very sturdy monopod, the ProMediaGear TR42ML which is a beast...42mm diameter and 81in height. These lenses are very expensive, but ask anyone who has bought one or multiple, I've had about 8 super-tele lenses over the years, and myself and anyone else you ask do NOT regret it. Ask anyone who has emptied their bank account or kids college fund and they will admit its very much worth it, lol.
Love that 300mm 2.8 VR fits in my 30L bag so I can take it almost anywhere. This type of lens can be similarly weighted (sony 600mm f/4 @3.1kg) but so hard to transport.
Yes the small size of the 300mm makes it great for travel, it was a large consideration of mine when purchasing. Awesome optics I wouldn't be without it!
Hey Tom... great video always good information to pass on. Looks like a nice spot for owls. Make sure you talk nicely to your 300 2.8 so it doesn’t get jealous.
Don't worry, my 300mm certainly has had some precious "me time" and he knows I'd ever part with him ;) - a faithful friend! The owls were great but with lockdown now in full swing I'll likely just be in the fields around home/local villages the next few months!
Sure looks like a great lens, Tom and a great project you have there. I know long standing Canon user Neil McIntyre has moved over to Nikon because of the 500mm f/4 FL and mentioned how amazing the weight difference to that of his Canon 500mm f/4 L was.
Yeah I’m pretty sure Neil had the 500mm PF 5.6, the super lightweight version, nice lens that I’ve used myself a few times and will review at some point, had great sharpness and quality in such a small size, perfect for hiking etc!
Yes the tubes for sure can be added but when then needing to work with infinity it can be an issue, TBH I can see myself using a second camera lens for the close stuff!
@@TomMasonPhoto indeed, I use them when in a hide for the really small birds like the tits and goldcrest, note that mine in minimum 5meters at 500mm, I personally find my 300mm 2.8 very hard to use for birds even when in a hide. But love it for bigger mammals
Cheers guys, Really can't wait to get moving again and hopefully back out to see you guys, many more photo options to explore in Chobe and the Delta! Hopefully we can make it happen soon!
Great video and such enthusiasm. I was wondering what iso you used so late in the evening. I purchased the old version 2nd hand when the FL came out. Absolutely fantastic sense. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thank you! ISO wise with the D850 I try and keep to about 1600 working to expose for three highlights and looking for the light, often I favour lowering my shutter speed for some motion rather than upping the ISO but did push to 3200/6400 on some darker moments especially when one landed on the ground a few feet of me! Great work picking up the old version for a steal, certainly something I do look at too! More videos will be on route all though lockdown isn’t helping my years plans! Thanks for watching, Cheers, Tom
Hi Tom, what are your feelings about the MFD for songbirds etc, on the new Z mount 600 TC? Interested to see as both the FL and TC are pretty close, does the TC help as keeps same MFD? Cheers
Hiya Tom. A new 600/4 is out of the question for many of us mere mortals with short arms & shallow pockets ! But I seem to have found a workaround to be able to afford some top-draw glass. As I'm sure you know, there are some serious bargains to be had on F mount kit these days, as lots of people are migrating/upgrading to mirrorless & the Z mount. I have spent a lot of time thinking about whether I should follow suit, or not. You see, having already invested a lot of money in F mount glass, upgrading everything I own to Z wasn't ever going to be affordable. So I made a compromise decision. I decided I will (eventually) invest in a Z7 II body. But use a F2Z adaptor so I can use my F glass collection. In the meantime I pounced on a couple of dream lenses I never imagined I'd ever be able to afford. The first was a 600/4G mint condition from MPB. Then a couple weeks later another opportunity came along. This time a 400/2.8G from Park Cameras again mint condition. Total spend £7k. As you know, to buy these two lenses 'brand new' would have cost £13k each (yikes !) Which isn't really an option for most of us, unless you happen to be David Beckham. I guess all I wanted to point out to people reading, is - there are some bargains around if you're willing to compromise a little & settle for G glass / use an F2Z adaptor. Which is exactly what I will be doing when I have enough in my depleted foto kitty to fund a Z7 II. Until then I'll keep on using a couple of trusty old workhorses .. an old D810 & a D750. Happy snapping ! :-)
Hi Tom, interesting video. I use the 600mm f4 on a D5 body for cricket photos here in Aus. Have ordered a D6...will be interested on its low light & high ISO performance. I find the 500mm f5.6 PF on the Z7 an interesting combination for wildlife. Keeps me busy in retirement from teaching. Cheers from Aus.
The D5 is a workhorse and I loved using it whilst I was in Botswana. Great for fast action work. The D6 will certainly be a killer with that combo. The 500mm PF is a great lens too and I've enjoyed using it, not really my style as the aperture range but did make me think hard about a 300mm f4 for hiking work, the weight drop is lovely!
Great photos Tom and very nice "story," development throughout your video. I definitely understand the appeal of the 600mm f/4E in terms of its image quality and f/4 bokeh, but that lens is a beast when it comes to travel and hikes beyond two miles. The size prevents one from carrying other core gear, and thus one must often decide to shoot with only that and one other lens or leave it home. With your current use of a 300 f/2.8, I'd think the 500PF would make for a nice addition to your bag. Use it on a D500 (for 750mm field of view) or on your D850/D5 when 500mm is needed. I currently use mine on a D500 and leave the 200-400mm f/4 on my Z6II. While I'd gladly trade both towards the 180-400 w/ built in converter, the newest version of the zoom costs just as much as a 600E. The "price to play" becomes a decision between travel or new gear... given the choice, I choose travel every time! Always great to see your work. bruce
Yes the 500mm FL is certainly worth a consideration and in regards to F mount I'd be keen, however with the Z development and no 500mm fixed on the roadmap just yet I'll have to wait. I certainly think the 500mm would be a good mid ground and using a 1.4 TC my 300mm 2.8 and 500mm f5 combo would give 300, 420, 500 and 700mm on my D850 that would be nice! The 400mm 2.8 also is pulling my gaze, especially as it will likely be the only Z mount super tele I'll be able to fund!
I think optically nothing is ever going to be significantly better than that lens ever. However the older, heavier AF-S lenses are reportedly about as good, even the non-stabilised AF-S models at a tenth the price used for amateurs. Wonderful video.
I have the older AFI 600mm F4 and I use it with a TC1,4 and I can tell you it is great for birds and birds in flight. All Nikon lenses are fantastic! If you don't own a 600mm if you can afford it get one, you will love it!
Guessing the Z mount version will be even more expensive ! It's a significant point that a 600mm puts 44% more pixels on the subject than a 500mm that can make a difference if you want frame filling images. I had the 400mm f2.8fl which is perhaps more versatile if you need it for different subjects besides distant wildlife, the 400 performs amazingly well with teleconverters too.
The 400 2.8 is another lens I’m Hoping to test out and especially interested for the Z mount. The flexibility will be very nice indeed with TCs. The 600mm certainly makes it’s easier for frame fillers, I’m just waiting, testing and seeing what fits with my style and images I want to make before investing! So I’ll likely do a video on the 400mm at some point!
Good, informative content Tom. Have rented the canon 600mm version in the past, eventually settled on the sigma 150-600mm sport. Found it to be a more versatile lens for hide work, small birds and small mammals, dragonflies and butterflies, also for distant larger birds and mammals. I have to use higher ISOs but the noise can be reduced with practice in Post. Some practice in Post can save you thousands of quid. Have an old 300mm f2.8 for low light situations, astro photography etc Good luck with your Short Eared Owls, you've got some nice images already.
Thanks Carl, the 300mm 2.8 is a stunner, wouldn't be without mine. Certainly zoom's are awesome for versatility and hide work but the 600mm IQ is just awesome!
Hi Tom, thanks for video, which I enjoyed. Never likely to be spending that sort of money on a lens I'm afraid. I think I know where you have been to see the short eared owls and I have got a few decent shots with my D500 and 500mm pf lens at the same location. Only trouble with that set up is it's not so good when the light goes. Sadly, some photographers at the location have been nailing dead mice to posts and trampling the undergrowth, but I believe the rangers are on the case now, thankfully. Anyway, it's nice to get out for a change!
Yes I have heard of some bad ethics by some people and its a real shame with no need. Having been there for a good few days I had many chances and encounters to shoot great images without needing to do anything other than walk the paths. The 500mm PF for sure is a great walk around lens especially on the D500, I will review at some point, but for me the only issue is that low light ability, Its why my 300mm 2.8 just always comes back to being in my hand!
Around 0:03 I’m like, “Holy Cr@p!” Nothing like something approaching $18,000 (or more?) slung over one’s shoulder. Great video Tom. Good to see you out and about.
Great job as always. I'd love a 600 f4 but I'll have to wait for the Z migration and try to get an F used for a huge discount. Our maybe I should just be quiet and user my 500 f4 and improve my field craft.
The 500mm is a super lens as well, and not too far off the focal length, add some good field craft and you'll be grand. Also its a little easier for travel and for working handheld!
Tom, I actually purchased purchased my 300mm F/2.8 VR ii after watching your videos from Botswana, and not long after I purchased a 600mm F/4E FL and it's an absolutely incredible lens! I'm hoping to get over to Botswana next year to do one of the Pangolin photo safari's :D
That's awesome, so glad you found the videos helpful, I'm hoping I'll be able to get back to Chobe with Pangolin next year and run a workshop. Amazing location I really can't wait to head back! The 600mm FL is stunning, just excited to see what the Z mount brings!
Awesome as always Tom, good to see that beast in action! would you say a very good condition D3s is a better option than a heavily used D850 with 125K shutter actuations?
In regards to the cameras if the D850 is heavy used BUT with a scratch free sensor, fully working etc, I'd probably go with that over the D3s. Reason is the D850 is so flexible, low light is really good to about ISO 3200/6400 but also the resolution is amazing for detailed images, cropping etc - although factor in you will want the battery grip + D4 batteries for the 9fps... All round its a beast. If low light is what you do the D3s might be better, but the AF is more outdated and the sensor tech not as solid as the D850. The reason I bought a D4 was SPECIFICALLY for low light work, but If I could only have one camera the D850 would be in my hand.
Nice one Tom. I have the same setup and noticed that the Gitzo Gimbal will not stay in place and the lens shifted upwards, when I carry it on the back with the tripod. Did you also see that with your Gimbal?
I haven’t found that with mine, do you have it balanced fully? Especially on the rise axis, sometimes if the centre of balance isn’t raised the camera will drop. When I was setting for the 600mm and swapping from my 300mm I needed to raise the plate attachment by about 4cm to get it balanced
I meant only when I carry it (so it is balanced), because it seems that the Gimbal can not lock that tight(I locked it as hard as it is possible, but it seems that with my Version the lens always gets pushed out of the locked position when I carry it like you did. When using it and both knobs are loosen, everything works fine :))
Hmm that’s strange, I haven’t had any issues with mine moving about when carrying it. I don’t know if the internal screw maybe loose and then even tightening wouldn’t fully lock the position? I don’t know to be honest, the guys a Gitzo might be able to help!
Amazing video and gorgeous pictures! One question though, why didnt you changeg to the z6 at low light you would have had almost no noise in the shots your showed?
My 300 2.8 is still my all time favourite lens, the speed, sharpness and quality is just top notch. I’ve actually got it packed and ready for my next trip in a few days time!
Great video Tom. Not sure my budget would stretch to a 600mm. Besides I find the 200-400f4 quite big and heavy enough for my five mile walks around the local lanes and that is without a tripod
I have started bird photography with D5600 paired with af-p 70-300. In a few days I want to upgrade the lens. I am thinking to take 200-500 f5.6.. what do you say sir?
The 200-600 is a good step forward having owned it for a few years, nearly cried when paired with D500 it rolled of a chair and broke in two £600 later!!! Agh !
I do used TC's with the 300mm however only the 1.4 TC III. I have used a 2.0 in the past but just don't find it the best performance especially with my higher MP D850 now, more often the IQ is nicer using the more modern 1.4 TC and then cropping on the D850, also this preserves my f value for better low light shooting and AF speed. Cheers, Tom
Great to hear! So glad you are finding the videos helpful and informative, if there are any areas you'd like to learn more about, let me know! Cheers, Tom
@@ralffroberg1322 I have used the 300mm PF and its a cracking lens, one Ive though about picking up myself for certain work/Hiking etc. Really good optics and great with a TC!
@@ralffroberg1322 I owned the 300 PF and paired it with the D500 can also be used as a macro lens focusing down to around a metre if that helps! Gives a postcard sized image
I bought a sigma 500 F4 at a show for £4600 its a current lens and I can't fault it. Admittedly it does not carry the snob factor, but nither the price.
Still very much loving my D850 and also I’ve still got the Z6 II on loan that I’m enjoying. Largely will be waiting for the Z9 for my next upgrade. Love the new Nikon lenses and can’t wait to see the new tele lenses, but right now my D850 + 300 2.8 still works like a dream!
@@TomMasonPhoto do you think it’s still worth investing into a 300m 2.8 at this point in 2021? I’ve been debating on it or trading in my d850 for something else but lenses for f joint have really come down so not sure it’s worth trading in all of my lovely trinity of 2.8s
Great video again! Really like it. These kind of lenses are a dream to have but to expensive for hobbyists like me. Didn’t you tried it with your z camera? Just for fun:-)
I did! I put it on the Z6 for a few shots but when working for stills my D850 is still my go too, especially as often I'm creating the video of me using the Z6!
@@TomMasonPhoto ok thanks. I’ll probable switch to the Z6ii next week. I don’t own Nikon gear so I think buying a D850 and invest in F lenses isn’t maybe not the best option. Although it could save me money....
Hi Tom, great video as always. What are your thoughts on the fl versions of the 400 f2.8 and 500 f4? Would you choose any of them over the 600 as they are slightly cheaper and lighter lenses or would you still go with the 600?
Ben you're trying to read my mind, they are all things I'll be weighing up, need to test the 400mm 2.8 and see how it fits as I feel it might be more my style than the 600mm. With a TC especially with the Z mount quality ones it would be super flexible and maybe a more all round combination. The 500mm is a great option too, however IDK its just never been my "go to" focal length. I must admit I'm still tempted by the amazing 120-300mm 2.8. However I doubt I could part with my 300mm 2.8!
@@TomMasonPhoto thanks for the reply. Maybe even the 180-400 could be in the running but then that is more expensive that even the 600mm. Hope you’re well. Maybe even see you at a proper bird fair this year? 🤞
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Awesome captures, Like n,285 and Greetings from Italy :)
I have the old AFS mk 1 600 fabulous. Heavy but so is this one and it’s a great used option. Will do me until the Z 600 and maybe beyond. I wou;d only ever lug the 300 f2.8 or 500 5.6pf very far
Yeah for sure the older models offer some cracking value. Heavy for sure and needing of a tripod but awesome lenses for distance work. The 300mm 2.8 has been my faithful friend for Many years, easier to carry, can work handheld/ tripod and in all kinds of situations. Just love it!
Thanks Tom for another awesome video. I have a Nikon D500 and I would like to get your opinion on which is the best Nikon lens for shooting BIF handheld. Lens weight and fast and reliable AF (both in acquiring and maintaining focus) are key factors for me.
My 300 2.8 is great for BIF especially with a 1.4TC for some extra reach, AF is super fast and light enough to hand hold. If you need more reach the 500 PF is a good shout, but the 5.6 can be limiting. Of course with the D500 the 300mm is a 450mm / 630mm with the TC so has some great reach for wildlife work and is a very flexible solution.
Hi Tom, love to watch your video's! Keep inspiring us in these difficult times. Why did you not use your D4 on the 600mm f4 for the Owl shoot? Its has a much better iso performance than the D850 I have been told. Or did you have to cropped the images and benefit from the 45Mpeg of the D850?
Hey there, depended on the situation really, I used the D850 a lot because the extra res was really nice especially for larger prints that I'll likely be doing. On quite a few of the days the light was great for the D850 and found it worked well, I had the D4 and used in some low light, but mostly as I was returning daily I tended towards the higher res cam and working with the light as it changed. The D850 is pretty good up to around 6400/3200 ISO but for anything passed the D4 is great as the lower MP makes the apparent noise less in the final images. The D4 is super sweet for evening work and night time shoot that hopefully I'll get to do a few more of this year, but for this shoot working from a tripod as well with the 600mm the d850 did great. Also I was there for a good few days and did use the D4 just sometimes I don't video all of my shooting and changes!
@@TomMasonPhoto Have the D850 myself and use it next to my D500. The best camera I even had. A Beast! Yet considering buying a second hand D4(s). The D4 is very affordable nowadays.
Hello Tom Yes this lens nikon 600mm f/4 its very expensive. So i would like to know you opinion about zoom lens tamron 150-600 g2? Or you advice another lens? Thanks, regards
Hey, I was thinking about the same things, and people in the local forums who use nikon always say that it's better to get the 300mm F4 IF-ED for beginners.
@@Mr33Ian Unfortunately I cannot afford the PF version, once I have the budget I will buy a used version of the older 300mm, which to my understanding is still a stellar lens!
Tom I have the old 600 f4 VR 1 yes it's weighs a ton but the sharpness and the blur cannot beaten teamed up with D810 or D500 and monopod and I cannot see any advantage getting any Z camera too small in hand plus price and think a 600 f4 z mount will be double price with no advantages or am just old dinosaur
The old 600mm f4 for sure still had the awesome optics, the larger size just being the downside. In regards to the Z mount for myself it's mainly about video for me, the new optics and Af mechanisms are designed for it and with the decrease in the flange distance the optics can also be perfected especially at the edges allowing for better performance, especially I hope when TC's are in play. I don't think the Z will be double the FL price but I know the increase will be enough that for many it will put them off and for myself I'm still waiting to see how the new 200-600mm lens and 400mm 2.8 look before any final decisions! Enjoy the 600mm f4 and I'm sure on the D500 and D810 its creating some crackers! Cheers, Tom
@@TomMasonPhoto ... for super- telephoto there are no real advantages in the Z-mount, regarding physics, optics ( flange distance). Wide -angle...different story...
I already own a 300mm and don’t really tend towards zooms for my work, the prime quality I’ve always preferred and the 1800-400 is still a lot less in focal range. It’s a fab bit of glass but I’d rather the 120/300 2.8 any day!
The small pleasures in life, fresh air, wildlife, our beloved cameras and Tom's vids. Cheers Tom, stay safe.
No worries, it's all about the small pleasures, getting out and watching great wildlife never fails to inspire!
Beautiful photos as usual; so natural and never over-processed. Owls are amazing creatures, and you captured them exquisitely.
Many thanks! I do try to keep things natural, I see many images far too over processed with saturation/contrast etc and thats not really how the natural world looks! Cheers, Tom
Hi Tom! It's Claire here. So glad to see your new video.. This is awesome!!
Thanks Claire, glad you enjoy the video!
Brilliant video Tom. Always great to watch someone working their local patch.. and you do it very well.
Cheers Paul, hopefully we can catch up after all this is over and go for a shoot!
Thank you Tom for a great video again. Now I have to work harder in order to buy the beast or I'll stay in my dreams!
I decided to trade my 400mm f/2.8E VR FL for the 500mm f/4E VR FL and I'm so much happier. It's only 6.5lbs and it's so well balanced it feels even lighter than it is. It's lighter than the 180-400mm or 120-300mm lenses and gives you all 99 cross-type AF points on the D5, D500, D850 while the 600mm FL featured here only offers 63 Cross-type points. The 500FL is unbelievable with the TC-14E III and you don't lose any IQ, maybe 3-5% but it's not noticeable, especially when you consider the 600FL loses more like 15-25% IQ when using the TC-14E III. When I had the 400FL, I almost always had the TC-14E III and or my D500 to get extra reach. However now I can get 700mm f/5.6 with the 1.4x and 1050mm with a D500 and TC-14E III. So I no longer want for reach, my AF remains extremely fast, my image quality is slightly higher than the 600FL, especially with the TC-14E III attached. Now having said all of that the 500FL is also cheaper and easier to find used for a decent price. I've seen them go for between $7499-$8000+ USD used, but I've heard of people getting them for even less. While the 600FL is hard to find used and if you do it's more like $9500-$10,500+, but it does have an advantage and that is the out of focus blur. No lens can match a 600mm f/4 as far as parallax or the opening of the aperture known as the entrance pupil, which is a mathematical equation. The 600mm has an entrance pupil measurement of 150mm and the 500mm f/4 only has measurement of 125mm. While the differences can be apparent in many instances, background blur is more about subject distance, distance to background from the subject and your distance to subject. This where things can start to equal out in some instances, the 600FL has about a 17.5ft minimum focusing distance and the 500FL has a much shorter 9.3ft minimum so it can help the 500FL as far as background blur when close to your subjects. My main reason though for switching to the 500FL from the 400FL, and for not buying the 600FL, were weight savings and handholding ability. I can handhold my 500FL for long periods of time with some rest in between shots. I also can easily use it on my very sturdy monopod, the ProMediaGear TR42ML which is a beast...42mm diameter and 81in height. These lenses are very expensive, but ask anyone who has bought one or multiple, I've had about 8 super-tele lenses over the years, and myself and anyone else you ask do NOT regret it. Ask anyone who has emptied their bank account or kids college fund and they will admit its very much worth it, lol.
Love that 300mm 2.8 VR fits in my 30L bag so I can take it almost anywhere. This type of lens can be similarly weighted (sony 600mm f/4 @3.1kg) but so hard to transport.
Yes the small size of the 300mm makes it great for travel, it was a large consideration of mine when purchasing. Awesome optics I wouldn't be without it!
Hey Tom great to see another video from you! It's the season for the short eared owls! I've also been photographing them a lot lately!
Yes it’s a great time to get out looking for shorties, so much fun to work with!
Hey Tom... great video always good information to pass on. Looks like a nice spot for owls. Make sure you talk nicely to your 300 2.8 so it doesn’t get jealous.
Don't worry, my 300mm certainly has had some precious "me time" and he knows I'd ever part with him ;) - a faithful friend! The owls were great but with lockdown now in full swing I'll likely just be in the fields around home/local villages the next few months!
The in flight shot is beautiful !! I love how the owl catches the light perfectly
Thank you! Glad you like the shot, it was great to get some in flight action as well as perched up!
Sure looks like a great lens, Tom and a great project you have there. I know long standing Canon user Neil McIntyre has moved over to Nikon because of the 500mm f/4 FL and mentioned how amazing the weight difference to that of his Canon 500mm f/4 L was.
Yeah I’m pretty sure Neil had the 500mm PF 5.6, the super lightweight version, nice lens that I’ve used myself a few times and will review at some point, had great sharpness and quality in such a small size, perfect for hiking etc!
@@TomMasonPhoto Ah, of course I'm not fully aware of the Nikon range, however you are right, he mentioned about it being much lighter and smaller.
For close focus I use extension tubes with my older 500mm f4D and also good to know you can focus closer with manual focus
Yes the tubes for sure can be added but when then needing to work with infinity it can be an issue, TBH I can see myself using a second camera lens for the close stuff!
@@TomMasonPhoto indeed, I use them when in a hide for the really small birds like the tits and goldcrest, note that mine in minimum 5meters at 500mm, I personally find my 300mm 2.8 very hard to use for birds even when in a hide. But love it for bigger mammals
Another great vid Tom. Hope you are doing well! Looking forward to seeing you soon!
Cheers guys, Really can't wait to get moving again and hopefully back out to see you guys, many more photo options to explore in Chobe and the Delta! Hopefully we can make it happen soon!
@@TomMasonPhoto we are more and more optimistic every day! Botswana making great strides to get ready for arrivals!
@@PangolinWildlife Can't wait to be back, we have many more images to work on!
Another superb video Tom....keep them coming!
Thanks, I'll try and keep them coming although lock down will keep me rather local!
Great video and such enthusiasm. I was wondering what iso you used so late in the evening. I purchased the old version 2nd hand when the FL came out. Absolutely fantastic sense. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thank you! ISO wise with the D850 I try and keep to about 1600 working to expose for three highlights and looking for the light, often I favour lowering my shutter speed for some motion rather than upping the ISO but did push to 3200/6400 on some darker moments especially when one landed on the ground a few feet of me!
Great work picking up the old version for a steal, certainly something I do look at too! More videos will be on route all though lockdown isn’t helping my years plans! Thanks for watching, Cheers, Tom
Hi Tom, what are your feelings about the MFD for songbirds etc, on the new Z mount 600 TC? Interested to see as both the FL and TC are pretty close, does the TC help as keeps same MFD? Cheers
Thanks for sharing your great insight on this amazing photography gear , all the best this year Tom from Australia. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it, Thank you!
Hiya Tom. A new 600/4 is out of the question for many of us mere mortals with short arms & shallow pockets ! But I seem to have found a workaround to be able to afford some top-draw glass. As I'm sure you know, there are some serious bargains to be had on F mount kit these days, as lots of people are migrating/upgrading to mirrorless & the Z mount. I have spent a lot of time thinking about whether I should follow suit, or not. You see, having already invested a lot of money in F mount glass, upgrading everything I own to Z wasn't ever going to be affordable. So I made a compromise decision. I decided I will (eventually) invest in a Z7 II body. But use a F2Z adaptor so I can use my F glass collection. In the meantime I pounced on a couple of dream lenses I never imagined I'd ever be able to afford. The first was a 600/4G mint condition from MPB. Then a couple weeks later another opportunity came along. This time a 400/2.8G from Park Cameras again mint condition. Total spend £7k. As you know, to buy these two lenses 'brand new' would have cost £13k each (yikes !) Which isn't really an option for most of us, unless you happen to be David Beckham. I guess all I wanted to point out to people reading, is - there are some bargains around if you're willing to compromise a little & settle for G glass / use an F2Z adaptor. Which is exactly what I will be doing when I have enough in my depleted foto kitty to fund a Z7 II. Until then I'll keep on using a couple of trusty old workhorses .. an old D810 & a D750. Happy snapping ! :-)
Hi Tom, interesting video. I use the 600mm f4 on a D5 body for cricket photos here in Aus. Have ordered a D6...will be interested on its low light & high ISO performance. I find the 500mm f5.6 PF on the Z7 an interesting combination for wildlife. Keeps me busy in retirement from teaching. Cheers from Aus.
The D5 is a workhorse and I loved using it whilst I was in Botswana. Great for fast action work. The D6 will certainly be a killer with that combo. The 500mm PF is a great lens too and I've enjoyed using it, not really my style as the aperture range but did make me think hard about a 300mm f4 for hiking work, the weight drop is lovely!
@@TomMasonPhoto Thanks for the reply Tom. I also have the 300mm f4 PF...excellent on the D500 body.
Great photos Tom and very nice "story," development throughout your video. I definitely understand the appeal of the 600mm f/4E in terms of its image quality and f/4 bokeh, but that lens is a beast when it comes to travel and hikes beyond two miles. The size prevents one from carrying other core gear, and thus one must often decide to shoot with only that and one other lens or leave it home. With your current use of a 300 f/2.8, I'd think the 500PF would make for a nice addition to your bag. Use it on a D500 (for 750mm field of view) or on your D850/D5 when 500mm is needed. I currently use mine on a D500 and leave the 200-400mm f/4 on my Z6II. While I'd gladly trade both towards the 180-400 w/ built in converter, the newest version of the zoom costs just as much as a 600E. The "price to play" becomes a decision between travel or new gear... given the choice, I choose travel every time!
Always great to see your work.
bruce
Yes the 500mm FL is certainly worth a consideration and in regards to F mount I'd be keen, however with the Z development and no 500mm fixed on the roadmap just yet I'll have to wait. I certainly think the 500mm would be a good mid ground and using a 1.4 TC my 300mm 2.8 and 500mm f5 combo would give 300, 420, 500 and 700mm on my D850 that would be nice! The 400mm 2.8 also is pulling my gaze, especially as it will likely be the only Z mount super tele I'll be able to fund!
I think optically nothing is ever going to be significantly better than that lens ever. However the older, heavier AF-S lenses are reportedly about as good, even the non-stabilised AF-S models at a tenth the price used for amateurs. Wonderful video.
I have the older AFI 600mm F4 and I use it with a TC1,4 and I can tell you it is great for birds and birds in flight. All Nikon lenses are fantastic! If you don't own a 600mm if you can afford it get one, you will love it!
Guessing the Z mount version will be even more expensive ! It's a significant point that a 600mm puts 44% more pixels on the subject than a 500mm that can make a difference if you want frame filling images. I had the 400mm f2.8fl which is perhaps more versatile if you need it for different subjects besides distant wildlife, the 400 performs amazingly well with teleconverters too.
The 400 2.8 is another lens I’m
Hoping to test out and especially interested for the Z mount. The flexibility will be very nice indeed with TCs. The 600mm certainly makes it’s easier for frame fillers, I’m just waiting, testing and seeing what fits with my style and images I want to make before investing! So I’ll likely do a video on the 400mm at some point!
beautiful pictures mate! keep up the good work!
I bought one a few months ago and absolutely love it. Very expensive but for the quality you get it's amazing.
It really is! After the first few hours I was thinking how much I needed one! ;)
Recently got my 600mm could not do without it now !
Great video. Amazing imagines. Tops!
Thank you very much!
Good, informative content Tom. Have rented the canon 600mm version in the past, eventually settled on the sigma 150-600mm sport. Found it to be a more versatile lens for hide work, small birds and small mammals, dragonflies and butterflies, also for distant larger birds and mammals. I have to use higher ISOs but the noise can be reduced with practice in Post. Some practice in Post can save you thousands of quid. Have an old 300mm f2.8 for low light situations, astro photography etc Good luck with your Short Eared Owls, you've got some nice images already.
Thanks Carl, the 300mm 2.8 is a stunner, wouldn't be without mine. Certainly zoom's are awesome for versatility and hide work but the 600mm IQ is just awesome!
@@TomMasonPhoto if only a fellow could make a good wage from royalty fees to pay for one! :D
Think asked you before but you must of won some awards your pictures are stunning!!
I've had a highly commended in the Nat Geo Por El Planeta prize a few years back with one of my seal images! Still one of my favourite shots
Hi Tom, thanks for video, which I enjoyed. Never likely to be spending that sort of money on a lens I'm afraid.
I think I know where you have been to see the short eared owls and I have got a few decent shots with my D500 and 500mm pf lens at the same location. Only trouble with that set up is it's not so good when the light goes. Sadly, some photographers at the location have been nailing dead mice to posts and trampling the undergrowth, but I believe the rangers are on the case now, thankfully. Anyway, it's nice to get out for a change!
Yes I have heard of some bad ethics by some people and its a real shame with no need. Having been there for a good few days I had many chances and encounters to shoot great images without needing to do anything other than walk the paths. The 500mm PF for sure is a great walk around lens especially on the D500, I will review at some point, but for me the only issue is that low light ability, Its why my 300mm 2.8 just always comes back to being in my hand!
Around 0:03 I’m like, “Holy Cr@p!” Nothing like something approaching $18,000 (or more?) slung over one’s shoulder. Great video Tom. Good to see you out and about.
Thank you and yes you do forget that you have a fairly large sum of cash slung over your shoulder as you drag yourself through bushes and the mud :)
great video, wonderful images. stay well.
Thanks, you too!
Thank you again Tom for another inspirational video.
Thank you! Glad you enjoy the videos
@@TomMasonPhoto quality 👌
Great job as always. I'd love a 600 f4 but I'll have to wait for the Z migration and try to get an F used for a huge discount. Our maybe I should just be quiet and user my 500 f4 and improve my field craft.
The 500mm is a super lens as well, and not too far off the focal length, add some good field craft and you'll be grand. Also its a little easier for travel and for working handheld!
Tom, I actually purchased purchased my 300mm F/2.8 VR ii after watching your videos from Botswana, and not long after I purchased a 600mm F/4E FL and it's an absolutely incredible lens! I'm hoping to get over to Botswana next year to do one of the Pangolin photo safari's :D
That's awesome, so glad you found the videos helpful, I'm hoping I'll be able to get back to Chobe with Pangolin next year and run a workshop. Amazing location I really can't wait to head back! The 600mm FL is stunning, just excited to see what the Z mount brings!
@@TomMasonPhoto I just might be interested in the workshop with you!
I got the Nikon 500 f4 vrii with the d850 body and this pair works amazing
The photo of the owl in focus in front the farm house.👍
Awesome as always Tom, good to see that beast in action! would you say a very good condition D3s is a better option than a heavily used D850 with 125K shutter actuations?
In regards to the cameras if the D850 is heavy used BUT with a scratch free sensor, fully working etc, I'd probably go with that over the D3s. Reason is the D850 is so flexible, low light is really good to about ISO 3200/6400 but also the resolution is amazing for detailed images, cropping etc - although factor in you will want the battery grip + D4 batteries for the 9fps... All round its a beast. If low light is what you do the D3s might be better, but the AF is more outdated and the sensor tech not as solid as the D850. The reason I bought a D4 was SPECIFICALLY for low light work, but If I could only have one camera the D850 would be in my hand.
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Good call
Stunning photos!
Many thanks!
Loved the last image with the berries
Thats my favourite, I was very happy with that one!
Nice one Tom. I have the same setup and noticed that the Gitzo Gimbal will not stay in place and the lens shifted upwards, when I carry it on the back with the tripod. Did you also see that with your Gimbal?
I haven’t found that with mine, do you have it balanced fully? Especially on the rise axis, sometimes if the centre of balance isn’t raised the camera will drop. When I was setting for the 600mm and swapping from my 300mm I needed to raise the plate attachment by about 4cm to get it balanced
I meant only when I carry it (so it is balanced), because it seems that the Gimbal can not lock that tight(I locked it as hard as it is possible, but it seems that with my Version the lens always gets pushed out of the locked position when I carry it like you did. When using it and both knobs are loosen, everything works fine :))
Hmm that’s strange, I haven’t had any issues with mine moving about when carrying it. I don’t know if the internal screw maybe loose and then even tightening wouldn’t fully lock the position? I don’t know to be honest, the guys a Gitzo might be able to help!
@@TomMasonPhoto Alright. Good to know. Its not really a big deal. I was just curious. So, it seems, my one is just a bit weaker :)
Amazing video and gorgeous pictures! One question though, why didnt you changeg to the z6 at low light you would have had almost no noise in the shots your showed?
Simply that i was filming myself with the Z6 so often I didn't have time to keep swapping lenses.
Right now I'm working out with my 300mm 2.8 and maybe one day I will start working out with this one! :)
My 300 2.8 is still my all time favourite lens, the speed, sharpness and quality is just top notch. I’ve actually got it packed and ready for my next trip in a few days time!
@@TomMasonPhoto Nice. Would be cool to see what shots it brings! Do you ever use teleconverters with it?
@@ManchmalGaming yes I often use the 1.4, gives a perfect 420mm f4
Awesome pics Tom!
Glad you like them!
Great video Tom. Not sure my budget would stretch to a 600mm. Besides I find the 200-400f4 quite big and heavy enough for my five mile walks around the local lanes and that is without a tripod
I have started bird photography with D5600 paired with af-p 70-300. In a few days I want to upgrade the lens. I am thinking to take 200-500 f5.6.. what do you say sir?
The 200-500mm is a great lens, I've reviewed before. Awesome for a range of wildlife!
Thanks sir🙏.. Aslo I want to know about your binocular.. Thinking to buy..
The 200-600 is a good step forward having owned it for a few years, nearly cried when paired with D500 it rolled of a chair and broke in two £600 later!!! Agh !
Love your work so much!! Love those owl shots :)
Thank you so much!
Very nice.
Nice work Tom, you and Henry Turner should do a social distancing meet-up! :)
Maybe one day! I'm always up for collaborations of course when its all safe and well!
@@TomMasonPhoto, here is Henry's channel! th-cam.com/channels/cQD9RunHRdJCWZFQRiuZCQ.html
Just a point on using your 300mm f2.8, do you pair that with tc's at all?
I do used TC's with the 300mm however only the 1.4 TC III. I have used a 2.0 in the past but just don't find it the best performance especially with my higher MP D850 now, more often the IQ is nicer using the more modern 1.4 TC and then cropping on the D850, also this preserves my f value for better low light shooting and AF speed. Cheers, Tom
Thank you Tom! for sharing your knowledge, for a rookie like me its so inspiering to go thru your videos. I am learning so much from them.
Great to hear! So glad you are finding the videos helpful and informative, if there are any areas you'd like to learn more about, let me know! Cheers, Tom
@@TomMasonPhoto Hi! I was wondering if you have tried the Nikon 300 PF 4.0 lens? if so what did you think about it?
@@ralffroberg1322 I have used the 300mm PF and its a cracking lens, one Ive though about picking up myself for certain work/Hiking etc. Really good optics and great with a TC!
@@TomMasonPhoto Thanks!
@@ralffroberg1322 I owned the 300 PF and paired it with the D500 can also be used as a macro lens focusing down to around a metre if that helps! Gives a postcard sized image
Welcome back, missed you
Cheers Paul!
I bought a sigma 500 F4 at a show for £4600 its a current lens and I can't fault it.
Admittedly it does not carry the snob factor, but nither the price.
I’m loving my 600 is iii at less than 7lbs ;)
Hey Tom! Still using your D850 primarily for stills? Thoughts on any other systems or are you tied with Nikon for the long term? Cheers! Thanks again!
Still very much loving my D850 and also I’ve still got the Z6 II on loan that I’m enjoying. Largely will be waiting for the Z9 for my next upgrade. Love the new Nikon lenses and can’t wait to see the new tele lenses, but right now my D850 + 300 2.8 still works like a dream!
@@TomMasonPhoto do you think it’s still worth investing into a 300m 2.8 at this point in 2021? I’ve been debating on it or trading in my d850 for something else but lenses for f joint have really come down so not sure it’s worth trading in all of my lovely trinity of 2.8s
Great video again! Really like it. These kind of lenses are a dream to have but to expensive for hobbyists like me.
Didn’t you tried it with your z camera? Just for fun:-)
I did! I put it on the Z6 for a few shots but when working for stills my D850 is still my go too, especially as often I'm creating the video of me using the Z6!
@@TomMasonPhoto ok thanks. I’ll probable switch to the Z6ii next week. I don’t own Nikon gear so I think buying a D850 and invest in F lenses isn’t maybe not the best option. Although it could save me money....
Hi Tom, great video as always. What are your thoughts on the fl versions of the 400 f2.8 and 500 f4? Would you choose any of them over the 600 as they are slightly cheaper and lighter lenses or would you still go with the 600?
Ben you're trying to read my mind, they are all things I'll be weighing up, need to test the 400mm 2.8 and see how it fits as I feel it might be more my style than the 600mm. With a TC especially with the Z mount quality ones it would be super flexible and maybe a more all round combination. The 500mm is a great option too, however IDK its just never been my "go to" focal length. I must admit I'm still tempted by the amazing 120-300mm 2.8. However I doubt I could part with my 300mm 2.8!
@@TomMasonPhoto thanks for the reply. Maybe even the 180-400 could be in the running but then that is more expensive that even the 600mm. Hope you’re well. Maybe even see you at a proper bird fair this year? 🤞
Awesome captures, Like n,285 and Greetings from Italy :)
Many thanks!
I have the old AFS mk 1 600 fabulous. Heavy but so is this one and it’s a great used option. Will do me until the Z 600 and maybe beyond. I wou;d only ever lug the 300 f2.8 or 500 5.6pf very far
Yeah for sure the older models offer some cracking value. Heavy for sure and needing of a tripod but awesome lenses for distance work. The 300mm 2.8 has been my faithful friend for
Many years, easier to carry, can work handheld/ tripod and in all kinds of situations. Just love it!
Thanks Tom for another awesome video. I have a Nikon D500 and I would like to get your opinion on which is the best Nikon lens for shooting BIF handheld. Lens weight and fast and reliable AF (both in acquiring and maintaining focus) are key factors for me.
My 300 2.8 is great for BIF especially with a 1.4TC for some extra reach, AF is super fast and light enough to hand hold. If you need more reach the 500 PF is a good shout, but the 5.6 can be limiting. Of course with the D500 the 300mm is a 450mm / 630mm with the TC so has some great reach for wildlife work and is a very flexible solution.
Used to use the D500 with 300mm FP (450mm equivalent) very good BIF and doubles as a macro focusing down to around 1 metre
Hello, Tom. Did u shoot all this video only on 24-70 f4.0 or use some prime lenses with FTZ?
It was shot mainly on my 35mm 1.8S Z lens
@@TomMasonPhoto thanks!
Hi Tom, love to watch your video's! Keep inspiring us in these difficult times. Why did you not use your D4 on the 600mm f4 for the Owl shoot? Its has a much better iso performance than the D850 I have been told. Or did you have to cropped the images and benefit from the 45Mpeg of the D850?
Hey there, depended on the situation really, I used the D850 a lot because the extra res was really nice especially for larger prints that I'll likely be doing. On quite a few of the days the light was great for the D850 and found it worked well, I had the D4 and used in some low light, but mostly as I was returning daily I tended towards the higher res cam and working with the light as it changed. The D850 is pretty good up to around 6400/3200 ISO but for anything passed the D4 is great as the lower MP makes the apparent noise less in the final images. The D4 is super sweet for evening work and night time shoot that hopefully I'll get to do a few more of this year, but for this shoot working from a tripod as well with the 600mm the d850 did great. Also I was there for a good few days and did use the D4 just sometimes I don't video all of my shooting and changes!
@@TomMasonPhoto Have the D850 myself and use it next to my D500. The best camera I even had. A Beast! Yet considering buying a second hand D4(s). The D4 is very affordable nowadays.
@@IAnneee26 Thats why I picked on up this summer, £550 was too good to let it pass me by! Great for a back up, remote work and evening shoots!
@@IAnneee26 I used to have that exact combo awesome!
Hello Tom
Yes this lens nikon 600mm f/4 its very expensive. So i would like to know you opinion about zoom lens tamron 150-600 g2? Or you advice another lens?
Thanks, regards
Hey, I was thinking about the same things, and people in the local forums who use nikon always say that it's better to get the 300mm F4 IF-ED for beginners.
I have a video on the 300mm f4. It’s a stunning lens that I used to start my career and would highly recommend above the consumer zooms
@@TomMasonPhoto Yup, that's the video that I found your channel through and subscribed, haha
@@arunasrimkus1922 I can heartily recommend the 300 PF F4...Nice and light with cracking image quality...pairs nicely with a 1.4x tele on my Z6ii
@@Mr33Ian Unfortunately I cannot afford the PF version, once I have the budget I will buy a used version of the older 300mm, which to my understanding is still a stellar lens!
Agree with close focus... SONY 100-400 goes to 90cm, perfect for reptiles (I don't do birds)
Close focus is such a big deal especially when you do a range of subjects!
Very versatile len the Sony 100-400 good call !
Hi Tom great video 👍 I’m looking for new tripod, could you recommend any?
The Gitzo Systematic - on the higher end price wise, but will last you forever. I've linked mine in the description. Wouldn't be without my Gitzo's
Just to add Sirui to the mix a very good alternative but Gitzo are the best!
Not many people know that this lens is actually a 611mm (terrific lens)
Im still waiting for some new videos and shots with your 300mm f2.8
There will be more don’t worry!
Tom I have the old 600 f4 VR 1 yes it's weighs a ton but the sharpness and the blur cannot beaten teamed up with D810 or D500 and monopod and I cannot see any advantage getting any Z camera too small in hand plus price and think a 600 f4 z mount will be double price with no advantages or am just old dinosaur
The old 600mm f4 for sure still had the awesome optics, the larger size just being the downside. In regards to the Z mount for myself it's mainly about video for me, the new optics and Af mechanisms are designed for it and with the decrease in the flange distance the optics can also be perfected especially at the edges allowing for better performance, especially I hope when TC's are in play. I don't think the Z will be double the FL price but I know the increase will be enough that for many it will put them off and for myself I'm still waiting to see how the new 200-600mm lens and 400mm 2.8 look before any final decisions! Enjoy the 600mm f4 and I'm sure on the D500 and D810 its creating some crackers! Cheers, Tom
@@TomMasonPhoto ... for super- telephoto there are no real advantages in the Z-mount, regarding physics, optics ( flange distance). Wide -angle...different story...
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Needs pictures, being a photography vid
Sony a9 with sigma 500mm f4 ore Nikon z6 ii with Nikon 600mm f4 e fl Ed
Nikon 200-400 would be ideal to spend that much money if you really make money from wildlife.
I already own a 300mm and don’t really tend towards zooms for my work, the prime quality I’ve always preferred and the 1800-400 is still a lot less in focal range. It’s a fab bit of glass but I’d rather the 120/300 2.8 any day!
@@TomMasonPhoto yep, you are right about focal length and prime quality.
yep pricy lens
Gift me the lens
Can’t afford to buy
Christmas gift
Can I ask if you take any photos or just talk about taking photos?