I'm super worried about the future of this game, do you think having this being paid is the right call? Do you think population will reach a healthy range until the next expansion? since the seasonal content isn't cutting it. Comment down below what you think!♥
It's very tricky, you would assume a season pass should be sufficient with a store, I honestly wouldn't call this an expansion. Either way I'm excited to try mounts, I have my fingers crossed more people will come back to the game. But just like you, I have my doubts.
I don't think this game will reach a healthy player base until maybe 2025 if it's still around. If this is literally all they cooked in 1 year after Brimstone😂 idk maybe I'm little harsh. The systems changes and mounts look topnotch, but we definitely need more content, especially in the open world.
If u have been playing this game since lunch, all your time invested is thrown away and upto this day what you are currently farming in the game itself will be irrelevant to the new expansion. The funny part is they think they can improve the game by minimising the requirement of the game by removing Bane+ward gear and also lowering the Mythic dungion from M1-M3 ONLY. They seemed to have watched WoW and think that if dungions have lower level everyone will have that chance to play that level, in fact its the opposite Higer Level/difficulties are put in All games to increase the player base to reach that level of difficulty. If there are no more challenges what is there to Stream to show players the ropes and tricks. Even now in the game one problem is when someone is lvl 625 they can enter any M10 with the help of someone already achieving gold standard form M1 -M10, and when this happens those who have not achieved M1-M9 gold standard are very bad in playing the game and make the respected, dedicated and game lover frustrated and leave the dungions without even competing creating TOXIC chaos between the players. They can solve / fix this easily by rewarding the players with more ward or bane gears from the moment they buy this Game but they won't. Now with this new expansion they are going to crush all the previous achievements and make you play for it and so many bugs with so little STAFF to take care of it. By the way Paying for new expansion is OK not a problem its fine but they just Re-vamp the existing Map without creating a new Map and this is very very funny. Anyway..Just my thoughts.
It's literaly less content than brimstone. FL is 1 quarter the size of BS. Only 1 dungeon. It's not enough to ask 30€. Somehow i knew it would be happenning, ags stopped working on nw
They probably know it better than you :P I dont think, that this decision is "gg". I have friends, that come back for this expansion, even with having to pay extra. I would prefer an free expansion and more players coming back, but maybe they even didnt want that. Brimstone was really annoying: A ton of players came back, we had queues and 2 months later a lot servers were empty...
Flail looks so cool, can't wait for Artifact weapons either. This content update is really good, I would say the first update that could've had a positive impact on the player base. But sadly with it being locked behind 30$ it will likely not achieve what I hope for.
AGS also set expectations very high for this xpac, and so far what we’ve seen feels more like base game fixes and features that are in every mmo. I agree 100% with your assessment. There just isn’t enough new content there to get really excited about. Most players don’t even know the Huntress as a major villain, b/c they have never experienced a flushed out MSQ. AGS really needed to knock this one out of the park, and based on what we’ve seen so far, it’s just not there. Its not like FF XIV reset, or even the ESO One Tamriel reset.
I was hoping for a One Tamriel equivalent as well. I dug very deep in who worked on Brimstone Sands and I was convinced it was 99% outsourced and AGS was working on something massive on the background (the expansion) But I guess I was wrong 😢
I like everything they‘re doing with the expansion, but I have to agree that the drastic increase in monetization definitely is very concerning. Too many things are being paywalled that, at least in my opinion, should be part of the core experience.
I think if it just offered 2 new zones, 2-3 expeditions, 1 raid, 1 pvp battleground, then we would not be having this discussion😢 Many weird decisions in this update, but as always the content has been looking good.
You have to keep in mind, since launch all content has been free for 2 years, they have to monitise the game somehow, which they have done with transmog tokens, shop skins, server transfers and season passes, which is all OPTIONAL and is not required to play the game at all. This is the first expansion which is a complete rework of the endgame and gearing system, not to mention a rework of all the early quest lines as well, it's going to be like an entire new game, developement needs to be paid for somehow, the devs need to be paid... Also the expansion price will basically cover you for 4 seasons worth next year.
They could have taken cash for Brimstone already and it was free. I agree, that this Expansion has A LOT to offer and Iam fine to pay for that. I would prefer a free expansion, so more player come back to try it out - but we will see. Might still work out, a lot of high prio stuff got reworked and a lot of quitted player liked big parts of the game.
True statement, wish Invasions were not instanced and just a world event. Would be cool if you had to chop wood, mine stone and build a wall around a settlement then when timer hits 0 everyone can participate in defending.
Great video, i feel you. What it scares me the most is locking the gear score increase behind the expansion and taking mutations out of the base game to revamp it and put it behind the expansion too. That means in the base game you cannot play mutations anymore, and good luck trying to do opr, or any pvp content against a 700gs player with artifacts while you are at 625, 600 to 625 diff is not that much, but 625 to 700 is a whole new world. I'll definitly buy the expansion, but im afraid about how this will impact on potential new players, i hope the game gets more players but i dont see it happening.
I don't see the majority of players seeing the low amount of content coming back for another $30. They already paid $60, adding mounts that basically just make you go faster, an expedition, new weapon, zone/mobs reskin, and else QoL fixes/changes. It's a hard sell...
I sat around thinking about what they've added since launch that you could count as content. 3v3, 3 expeditions, 1 raid, ! large and quite interesting zone, music instruments, seasonal events and a few more weapons. Thats all 2 years really got us. all the QoL stuff i don't count as content. I wanna log in, i want to play, there just is'nt much to do besides chase the meta. The world is great, i love the vibe. Just no reason to log in.
I am excited as hell for this expac. I don't mind that its buy to play. 30$? For an expac in a one time purchase MMO? That seems more than fair to me. These people can't work for free, and i am happy to support them on finally taking the game in a good direction. People be spending way more than 30$ on skins and cosmetics in all sorts of games without a second thought. New World has definitely increased the amount of monetization. I remember early on i didn't even want to buy any of the skins (cause they sucked) and there was not much else tempting. Now we have boosters, season pass and transmog tokens. NW is still one of the mmos i have played with the least amount of monetization. That is no excuse, but it is a fact of reality that monetization is rampant in games now, and NW is in no way anywhere near being the prime example of this. Getting rid of all the annoying arduous systems and mandatory perks, introducing much bigger build variety and systems that respect your time and effort more. I believe this is great for the game as a whole, and the pvp content, as much as we want it, will have to wait until the core game is fixed, which i believe alot if not all the fixes and changes in this patch are a good and huge step towards. I can't wait to be rid of my umbrals, hard earned resil gear and put together some actual fun exciting builds. I think quite a few people will be unhappy with this, the lack of true content or pvp content and some feeling that their hard earned gear is obsolete. But i think these changes of some of the fundamental workings of the game are crucial and though they seem like and are, "fixes", i believe they will impact the entire game way more than people expect, way more than a new opr map or dungeon. This will literally change the game. After that, then yes...WE WANT MORE CONTENT.
The issue is not the money. The issue is the lack of content, this is basically a season 3, after a week or teo you are back doing OPRs all day. They basically reset the game and made you chase BIS gear again to go to OPR.
@lfom2011 This is what I'm worried for as well, and if this is all they can do from Brimstone Sands 2022 October until now 2023 October, then it will take a long time before this game is polished and content packed, I'll stick around anyway, but I want this game to be out of early access already 😂😂
The took the 100 mutation runs down to 35 which really put a sour taste in a lot of players mouths. For those of us who speed run, still going to have to have a alt now. 🤦♂️
Damn that really sucks, I already use 3 chars right now which is annoying af. And with the limitation of not being able to mail my alts stuff or have a account wide bank stash makes everything tedious.
@@VeNoMz_ yup. We were all looking forward to being on 1 account and not having to switch to alts or sign out and in another whole account. Nice video btw I enjoyed it.
I think you’re right on the money here. I’m all for supporting the games I love, but this feels forced. I spent 400+ hours in this game - it feels like if I don’t pay $30 then it was all for nothing. I uninstalled a while ago waiting for this expansion. Doesn’t look like I’ll be reinstalling. This kind of monetization sucks after forcing people to pay for equipment load outs when you need so much armor in this game for different activities. After the paid transmog…. It feels more like this stuff would be fun to earn, not pay for. Would have made things much more enticing in the end game. Instead, you just need to open that wallet one more time.
kind of on the same boat this expansion is more of a fixing/finishing the groundwork of NW not so much new content, i rly wanna see the 2024 roadmap there HAVE to be the 2 new zones dunwood and the one north of morningdale,raids,PvP content and more on it
I want to jump back in but devs still trying to prevent that at all cost man. I started right before brimstone update to see how was game and how its gonna be. And it was good to try all weapons & skills until excitement were expired. And after hitting lv 35-40 im done, bored and exhausted walking then i waited for BS update to be released. Yet i didn't continue playing because i dont see anything interesting me but PvP action in the game. And i dont want to just grind for that. I finished Death Stranding and there were more content on that game. Also walking was incomparably better.
Yeah the game is pretty oof especially at the lv 30 mark, the world is beautiful so mounts could enhance the experience, they have added a lot of teleport shrines since you quit which just ruins the experience the amount of loading screens in a play session, it makes the world feel into small pieces.
I do agree, first light wasn't all that huge. I am getting this expansion and I've returned to the game as of the announcement (gotta get my tradeskills up before launch). However, if they don't add another zone in 2024 at no additional cost I'll be disappointed... and it's not really about the cost, we just still need more content.
I personaly thinking we getting enough in the expansion everything it it is something players wanted. and i think that if gearsets/trans token/store skins would make them enough money the expansion would be cheaper. I am plying since game now since beta and i payed only the boxe price so i got tousend of hours in. for like 40 Bucks
The money/playtime ratio is always god tier with this game. But that's kind of always the case in MMO's it's the quality that matters tho, and AGS has been upping the quality a lot with S2.
They probably need the money to keep going... If the playerbase gets bigger again (and they do good stuff to reach that), they might reduce that stuff.
Yeah aside from mounts and increased level cap, I'm really struggling to figure out what the expansion offers that regular fixes, seasonal content and general QoL updates wouldn't have done for free. We're getting a revamped zone but had a new one for free, we're getting an expedition but we've had like 4 of those for free already? Relic weapon sure we got heartrunes for free, new story but we get that with seasons. Most other stuff just seems to be reversing bad decisions and removing bad features like umbral shards and expertise. I wanted this expansion and knew all along that it wouldn't be free, but this honestly doesn't sound like an expansion at all so I don't know what they are asking me to pay for. I also suspect a lot of people will be worried about handing over more money after they paid for the game at launch and it didn't meet their expectations, so this is likely New World's one big shot at showing people that they can deliver a good amount of varied content and without all the issues we had before. Don't screw this up please AGS.
me too. And they dont want to buy the expansion just to get mount. They want a new character customization, a loooot of events everywhere, easy pvp, swin thougth the ocean, boats, etc...
This video was needed. I see how multiple youtubers discuss all new changes, but noone really point out for systematic dev mistake for essentialy killing possibility of return old players. This new paywall and locking new gearscore cap under dlc is dead end, which i already experienced in another game that i really wanted to play more - Division 2. But i cant play the game if its dead and all my friends doesnt want to play with me
I was reading the update yesterday with my guild and we were debating coming back. But after seeing the price and as you said lack of content for those 30$ that they are charging we ultimately decided to skip it. The content is lacking, (especially for us coz we were mostly PvP Players) also removing perks and adding 5 more levels + GS 700 means that we would have to farm and grind again if we wanted to be competitive in any way. I was rly thinking that NW would be one of the best MMOs in 5 years time but after seeing what they are doing now im quite disappointed.
Fantastic video and a history lesson on updates. Personally I don't mind paying for content, but as you mentioned 5:31 they have gone way overboard. And I do feel like I'm getting milked, but what they shown us so far, the content looks amazing and I will buy it 100%.
Scroll healing broken since start of season 2, has been in the game since day 1, and has not been fixed. Plenty of other issues like this that should be fixed before anything else.
complains after complains...that what the new world community is all about. Everyone was crying for mounts, bug fixed, territory influence rework and a new weapon and even before it is out people already start complaining...sad what game community expect these days. I have played so many much worse mmorpgs where people didnt complain or at least not as much as in NW.
Generally have no problem with a 30€ dlc. But what sets me up is that the mutation access/level cap will now be locked behind the paywall. And revamped first light doesn’t make it better since we all payed for this content and they just stole it from us. All i see in this expansion is a pay wall, and them trying to money-grab with every new update. Still maybe give it a try though.
@@VeNoMz_ feel you its a good game. I personally love all the assets and animations. But could be monetized more customer friendly like they promised at release.
I'm not sure, it ran okay on my GTX1080 now I have a 4090 runs butter smooth, supposedly they have fixed the micro stutters, I used to have those on my GTX1080,
They brought new performance issues with the last patches. They are working a lot on it. But they announced, that the new zone will have way more assets. So I assume, that the requirements will be higher with every new content.
I'm once a hardcore player with 200 pvp track, bis gears (considered bis at the time I stopped playing), and 2m coins in the bank. I downloaded the game again (after being away from it for almost a year) to check out the transmog. Still unsure if I'm staying. The low population is kinda discouraging. Also I'm looking to find out if (or if not) all the gears/progress I have made will be made obsolete with all the incoming changes. It'll pretty much be the deciding factor for me.
I returned about week ago and intend to stay. I'm not sure how old you are and what mmorpgs you have played previously but the things you say indicate you haven't played mmorpgs at all or seen expansions of any mmorpg from times of Anarchy Online to World of Warcraft and beyond.
Nothing against paid expansions, but they are making the base game content smaller and worse. They took away a region and paywalled everything. Base game everyone paid for will become a demo.
So basically 30 bucks for 1 new wep and ability to ride mounts , i wonder how many of the 15k peak online they are having now is gona pay for that , they wont be getting players back , they culd be smart and make this free and get a lot of ppl back to try it and than pay for battle pass / cosmetics ( mount cosmetics is fine with me for example ) . But apparently they dont care , final cash grab, i think after this "xpac" amazon will have to shut it down in a year or so.
I don´t think we should pay to get to level 65 or to get our weapons to 700. That is basicaly p2w. Also i don´t like that they take away from the players a zone they already paid for in the base game.
MMO's aren't cheap to run or continue to work on, especially with a dwindling player base. There is 0 sub model so yeah, of course they're going to charge $30. That makes complete sense and anyone that is whining about it is delusional. Prices of other things in the shop, which are all optional, aside-- paying for an expansion is standard.
Basically we need to pay for a hard reset....waste everything we have in storage...if there was pvp content, maybe would come back....since when push influence is pvp contentn? Whoever faction zerg the push, will in wht influence race.
Like I said in the video, it blows my mind we don't have a 10v10 Capture the Flag battleground, especially with how popular Warsong Gulch is in WoW, also thanks for the comment♥
Don't see any reason why a new player would still play, older players maybe. New players will still have to pay $30 and then tokens and then more for stuff they missed out on with no sort of catch-up or replacement.
Missed out on tokens? XD Thats a fully optional feature. Why would you need a "catch up mechanic" for stuff like that? Its getting absurd xD... The gear set from S1 might bei a thing, but with the improved game design, we wont need that mich sets anymore. I had 6 sets just for PvE tanking, we wont need that anymore. Gear Sets lose their importance with the new changes.
I think you are way off the mark here. Look at nearly every other MMO. The really popular ones have a sub AND charge for expansions AND have way more monetization on conveniece AND most have pay to win. New World may not be perfectly monetized, but it is certainly a lot better than the competition. I am not sure why everyone seems to ignore that fact. And frankly, it doesn't matter how much it is, it only matters how good it is. No one will look back and say, "man that was the best expansion in the world, but the game died because they charged $30 instead of making it free." If it is good, people will pay and be happy. If it is bad, no one will be happy (free or otherwise). This all feels like drama for the sake of drama.
I agree. Its kinda weird, gaming community is always so negative about everything. If they would make it free, ppl would cry about the again too full servers after release and they would call it a "proof" for not having enough content to charge for it.
Yeah ill return. For maybe 2 months. Just being realistic. I prefer sandbox mmos...and i prefer pvp/safe zones, not optional flagging. Also hate instanced content. Lol
Not paying AGS another Penny. "Get a job: Already got one" "They need to make money some how: Agreed thats why they have cash shop, and DLCs" "But this is also a DLC?: No, this is basically a result of the "Alpha/ Beta" we have been lured to buy in full price, and been waiting for them to come with an actual solution and polish the game" So?? Yeah you have no more arguments. Unless your a AGS SIMP. I am not paying a penny. AGS can go SAD.
I reinstalled, saw that I still can't get any kind of group for an expedition in a reasonable amount of time, after having a laugh at transmog mechanics and seeing the resource nodes are more or less always there due to total lack of players, I pretty much see no return to this game.
Locking what is essentially a seasonal update, with core mechanics and less overall content than brimstone (which was free) behind a paywall that's nearly the price of the base game, is a surefire way to split the community and drive away returning players. Nobody is going to pay another $30 to get back a revamped zone they lost, access to mutations they lost, a basic weapon and a core game feature that has been requested since launch. They'll just play something else, likely for free.
You will have fun for sure, when was the last time you played? I encourage you to do the Season 2 Blood of the Sands questline, has some thrilling moments, good story telling.
You're right, but there are multiple ways to look at it. I can buy 40+ years of WoW subscription or for the same $ I can spend it on transmog tokens to gain full access to my transmog collection on NW. I have my fingers crossed its more content packed than we think though, they have been working on it for a entire year🤞
WoW doesn't monetize their transmog though in a shop. And WoW can pretty much get away with anything because it's built up a player base over the years, because it didn't have much competition back in its day.
I think you're unreasonable for saying it's not worth the $30, I think you misunderstand the $1/h cost to be entertained. If you're going to play this expac for at least 100 hours...anyone watching this TH-cam chnl probably would play 200 hours of New World within the year, you're looking at a 15 cent per hour entertainment for a game. 15 cents an hour!?! That's a rip off to you, not free enough? I think that's naive and unrealistic, maybe you're somebody who has never paid $4.5 for a coffee in the city, FYI...a coffee can cost that much. You also failed to mention that they are redoing the quest line in both Edengrove and Great Cleave irrespective of the expac. I'm okay with First Light being a revamp, if it was a useless zone and I personally, speaking only for myself, would rather see all the existing content be made more relevant, as apposed to pushing new content that replaces existing leaving it for dead. I personally, think WoW failed at this, and New World seems to be correcting it, it's a shame you can't acknowledge that either.
Let me be REALLY clear about this....I've played Hogwarts Legacy Digital Deluxe Edition and enjoyed it, total hours played is 93.2hrs, that game cost me $99.95AU...New World I've played for 1658.6hrs and paid $69.95AU...that's a rate of just over 4 cents an hour of enjoyment I am receiving. Who of you is so ridiculously naive to think game developers should just work for free because fuck them that's why. I'm sorry but I'm a PC gamer, and I'd like companies to keep making games I enjoy, and that means we need to occasionally compensate them for their time. Imagine going to a movie theatre and sitting their indefinitely watching films saying you'll only pay 0.04 dollars an hour and anything more is unreasonable.
I mentioned the MSQ story update my guy♥that's when I said it's been 2 years and it's still not finished😢 And yes I'm a fan of polishing existent content as well, that's why Monarch's Bluff is my fav zone now. But it shouldn't have a price tag on it, it was literally in the game when you bought it day 1, that it sucked so bad that it had to be remade is not something you put on the costumer. I'll use a coffee analogy for you 'since you mentioned coffee', you pay for coffee, they fk up the order and they will make you a new one, if you pay lol.
Charge $15 and give everyone mounts and weapon for the free update. It shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall. Brimstone was massive, don’t charge 30 for an area y’all took away and mounts that should have been there from launch
This "an area they took away" argument... Geez... That area was useless, it was needed for the release and it was kinda dead a long time. They make a better and useful zone out of it and they even tell a story with that change. In other MMORPGs thats a feature we love, when zones evolve with the story.
I thought they just kept improving the game. I was unaware they were simultaneously ruining the game. They have P2W crap like boosters now? Transmog cost money?! What the crap?!
well thius game its fueirht trashd if evryone its thinking about playing this indie game consider they blocked the transfer to 99% of server so you cant play with your firend and you cant ask a refound, max capicity of one server its 2,7k player. in 2008 a wow private server made ina teen romm was containing 10k player , all for sponsor this shit game and made amazon scam money luck you
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I'm super worried about the future of this game, do you think having this being paid is the right call?
Do you think population will reach a healthy range until the next expansion? since the seasonal content isn't cutting it.
Comment down below what you think!♥
It's very tricky, you would assume a season pass should be sufficient with a store, I honestly wouldn't call this an expansion.
Either way I'm excited to try mounts, I have my fingers crossed more people will come back to the game.
But just like you, I have my doubts.
I don't think this game will reach a healthy player base until maybe 2025 if it's still around.
If this is literally all they cooked in 1 year after Brimstone😂 idk maybe I'm little harsh.
The systems changes and mounts look topnotch, but we definitely need more content, especially in the open world.
No
If u have been playing this game since lunch, all your time invested is thrown away and upto this day what you are currently farming in the game itself will be irrelevant to the new expansion. The funny part is they think they can improve the game by minimising the requirement of the game by removing Bane+ward gear and also lowering the Mythic dungion from M1-M3 ONLY. They seemed to have watched WoW and think that if dungions have lower level everyone will have that chance to play that level, in fact its the opposite Higer Level/difficulties are put in All games to increase the player base to reach that level of difficulty. If there are no more challenges what is there to Stream to show players the ropes and tricks. Even now in the game one problem is when someone is lvl 625 they can enter any M10 with the help of someone already achieving gold standard form M1 -M10, and when this happens those who have not achieved M1-M9 gold standard are very bad in playing the game and make the respected, dedicated and game lover frustrated and leave the dungions without even competing creating TOXIC chaos between the players. They can solve / fix this easily by rewarding the players with more ward or bane gears from the moment they buy this Game but they won't. Now with this new expansion they are going to crush all the previous achievements and make you play for it and so many bugs with so little STAFF to take care of it. By the way Paying for new expansion is OK not a problem its fine but they just Re-vamp the existing Map without creating a new Map and this is very very funny. Anyway..Just my thoughts.
It's literaly less content than brimstone. FL is 1 quarter the size of BS. Only 1 dungeon. It's not enough to ask 30€. Somehow i knew it would be happenning, ags stopped working on nw
So many of these updates are great. We just need more CONTENT.
Yes, one new expedition is not enough…
It's ok for now because they are improving the base game to me but in the future yes
The gear "reset" with Season Pass will be fine for 3 months.
I feel like buying the expansion us like buying the next year of new world patches
if this expansion doesn't do good its pretty much ggs for new world
i am going down with the ship tho.
its my fav game ever it is what it is
We go down together bro
They probably know it better than you :P I dont think, that this decision is "gg".
I have friends, that come back for this expansion, even with having to pay extra.
I would prefer an free expansion and more players coming back, but maybe they even didnt want that.
Brimstone was really annoying: A ton of players came back, we had queues and 2 months later a lot servers were empty...
Flail looks so cool, can't wait for Artifact weapons either.
This content update is really good, I would say the first update that could've had a positive impact on the player base.
But sadly with it being locked behind 30$ it will likely not achieve what I hope for.
AGS also set expectations very high for this xpac, and so far what we’ve seen feels more like base game fixes and features that are in every mmo. I agree 100% with your assessment. There just isn’t enough new content there to get really excited about. Most players don’t even know the Huntress as a major villain, b/c they have never experienced a flushed out MSQ. AGS really needed to knock this one out of the park, and based on what we’ve seen so far, it’s just not there. Its not like FF XIV reset, or even the ESO One Tamriel reset.
I was hoping for a One Tamriel equivalent as well.
I dug very deep in who worked on Brimstone Sands and I was convinced it was 99% outsourced and AGS was working on something massive on the background (the expansion)
But I guess I was wrong 😢
Season +, really good point, thnhanks for the video
I like everything they‘re doing with the expansion, but I have to agree that the drastic increase in monetization definitely is very concerning. Too many things are being paywalled that, at least in my opinion, should be part of the core experience.
I think if it just offered 2 new zones, 2-3 expeditions, 1 raid, 1 pvp battleground, then we would not be having this discussion😢
Many weird decisions in this update, but as always the content has been looking good.
You have to keep in mind, since launch all content has been free for 2 years, they have to monitise the game somehow, which they have done with transmog tokens, shop skins, server transfers and season passes, which is all OPTIONAL and is not required to play the game at all.
This is the first expansion which is a complete rework of the endgame and gearing system, not to mention a rework of all the early quest lines as well, it's going to be like an entire new game, developement needs to be paid for somehow, the devs need to be paid...
Also the expansion price will basically cover you for 4 seasons worth next year.
They could have taken cash for Brimstone already and it was free. I agree, that this Expansion has A LOT to offer and Iam fine to pay for that.
I would prefer a free expansion, so more player come back to try it out - but we will see. Might still work out, a lot of high prio stuff got reworked and a lot of quitted player liked big parts of the game.
The thing is we have content but it needs to be more easily accessible. I have players thats played since day one but never even played an invasion.
True statement, wish Invasions were not instanced and just a world event.
Would be cool if you had to chop wood, mine stone and build a wall around a settlement then when timer hits 0 everyone can participate in defending.
Great video, i feel you. What it scares me the most is locking the gear score increase behind the expansion and taking mutations out of the base game to revamp it and put it behind the expansion too. That means in the base game you cannot play mutations anymore, and good luck trying to do opr, or any pvp content against a 700gs player with artifacts while you are at 625, 600 to 625 diff is not that much, but 625 to 700 is a whole new world.
I'll definitly buy the expansion, but im afraid about how this will impact on potential new players, i hope the game gets more players but i dont see it happening.
I don't see the majority of players seeing the low amount of content coming back for another $30. They already paid $60, adding mounts that basically just make you go faster, an expedition, new weapon, zone/mobs reskin, and else QoL fixes/changes. It's a hard sell...
Heeeey! a great video once again my guy.
I sat around thinking about what they've added since launch that you could count as content.
3v3, 3 expeditions, 1 raid, ! large and quite interesting zone, music instruments, seasonal events and a few more weapons. Thats all 2 years really got us. all the QoL stuff i don't count as content. I wanna log in, i want to play, there just is'nt much to do besides chase the meta. The world is great, i love the vibe. Just no reason to log in.
The world is NW's strongest part, yet we have no real world bosses and random encounter events besides a few in Monarchs Bluff.
@@VeNoMz_ Doing more with corruption portals would be a start in the right direction.
Once they changed the monitization i just peaced out.
I am excited as hell for this expac. I don't mind that its buy to play. 30$? For an expac in a one time purchase MMO? That seems more than fair to me. These people can't work for free, and i am happy to support them on finally taking the game in a good direction. People be spending way more than 30$ on skins and cosmetics in all sorts of games without a second thought.
New World has definitely increased the amount of monetization. I remember early on i didn't even want to buy any of the skins (cause they sucked) and there was not much else tempting. Now we have boosters, season pass and transmog tokens. NW is still one of the mmos i have played with the least amount of monetization.
That is no excuse, but it is a fact of reality that monetization is rampant in games now, and NW is in no way anywhere near being the prime example of this.
Getting rid of all the annoying arduous systems and mandatory perks, introducing much bigger build variety and systems that respect your time and effort more. I believe this is great for the game as a whole, and the pvp content, as much as we want it, will have to wait until the core game is fixed, which i believe alot if not all the fixes and changes in this patch are a good and huge step towards.
I can't wait to be rid of my umbrals, hard earned resil gear and put together some actual fun exciting builds.
I think quite a few people will be unhappy with this, the lack of true content or pvp content and some feeling that their hard earned gear is obsolete. But i think these changes of some of the fundamental workings of the game are crucial and though they seem like and are, "fixes", i believe they will impact the entire game way more than people expect, way more than a new opr map or dungeon.
This will literally change the game. After that, then yes...WE WANT MORE CONTENT.
The issue is not the money. The issue is the lack of content, this is basically a season 3, after a week or teo you are back doing OPRs all day. They basically reset the game and made you chase BIS gear again to go to OPR.
@lfom2011 This is what I'm worried for as well, and if this is all they can do from Brimstone Sands 2022 October until now 2023 October,
then it will take a long time before this game is polished and content packed, I'll stick around anyway, but I want this game to be out of early access already 😂😂
You act like they aren't siphoning money from players outside of this xpac.
if the content involved a new land, tht wasnt a land we already had and now are charging us to be able to use again i would have considered it.
The took the 100 mutation runs down to 35 which really put a sour taste in a lot of players mouths. For those of us who speed run, still going to have to have a alt now. 🤦♂️
Damn that really sucks, I already use 3 chars right now which is annoying af.
And with the limitation of not being able to mail my alts stuff or have a account wide bank stash makes everything tedious.
@@VeNoMz_ yup. We were all looking forward to being on 1 account and not having to switch to alts or sign out and in another whole account. Nice video btw I enjoyed it.
I think you’re right on the money here. I’m all for supporting the games I love, but this feels forced. I spent 400+ hours in this game - it feels like if I don’t pay $30 then it was all for nothing. I uninstalled a while ago waiting for this expansion. Doesn’t look like I’ll be reinstalling.
This kind of monetization sucks after forcing people to pay for equipment load outs when you need so much armor in this game for different activities. After the paid transmog….
It feels more like this stuff would be fun to earn, not pay for. Would have made things much more enticing in the end game. Instead, you just need to open that wallet one more time.
kind of on the same boat this expansion is more of a fixing/finishing the groundwork of NW not so much new content, i rly wanna see the 2024 roadmap there HAVE to be the 2 new zones dunwood and the one north of morningdale,raids,PvP content and more on it
I want to jump back in but devs still trying to prevent that at all cost man. I started right before brimstone update to see how was game and how its gonna be. And it was good to try all weapons & skills until excitement were expired. And after hitting lv 35-40 im done, bored and exhausted walking then i waited for BS update to be released. Yet i didn't continue playing because i dont see anything interesting me but PvP action in the game. And i dont want to just grind for that. I finished Death Stranding and there were more content on that game. Also walking was incomparably better.
Yeah the game is pretty oof especially at the lv 30 mark, the world is beautiful so mounts could enhance the experience, they have added a lot of teleport shrines since you quit which just ruins the experience the amount of loading screens in a play session, it makes the world feel into small pieces.
I do agree, first light wasn't all that huge. I am getting this expansion and I've returned to the game as of the announcement (gotta get my tradeskills up before launch). However, if they don't add another zone in 2024 at no additional cost I'll be disappointed... and it's not really about the cost, we just still need more content.
GL on the trade skill grind 💪
I personaly thinking we getting enough in the expansion everything it it is something players wanted. and i think that if gearsets/trans token/store skins would make them enough money the expansion would be cheaper. I am plying since game now since beta and i payed only the boxe price so i got tousend of hours in. for like 40 Bucks
The money/playtime ratio is always god tier with this game.
But that's kind of always the case in MMO's it's the quality that matters tho, and AGS has been upping the quality a lot with S2.
They probably need the money to keep going...
If the playerbase gets bigger again (and they do good stuff to reach that), they might reduce that stuff.
Yeah aside from mounts and increased level cap, I'm really struggling to figure out what the expansion offers that regular fixes, seasonal content and general QoL updates wouldn't have done for free. We're getting a revamped zone but had a new one for free, we're getting an expedition but we've had like 4 of those for free already? Relic weapon sure we got heartrunes for free, new story but we get that with seasons. Most other stuff just seems to be reversing bad decisions and removing bad features like umbral shards and expertise.
I wanted this expansion and knew all along that it wouldn't be free, but this honestly doesn't sound like an expansion at all so I don't know what they are asking me to pay for.
I also suspect a lot of people will be worried about handing over more money after they paid for the game at launch and it didn't meet their expectations, so this is likely New World's one big shot at showing people that they can deliver a good amount of varied content and without all the issues we had before. Don't screw this up please AGS.
Is that Ashenvale Music,some WoW elf music for sure.
Yes 👀
I can relate to you... all my friends who I played with in beta and release all left and I am playing solo atm :(
me too. And they dont want to buy the expansion just to get mount.
They want a new character customization, a loooot of events everywhere, easy pvp, swin thougth the ocean, boats, etc...
This video was needed. I see how multiple youtubers discuss all new changes, but noone really point out for systematic dev mistake for essentialy killing possibility of return old players. This new paywall and locking new gearscore cap under dlc is dead end, which i already experienced in another game that i really wanted to play more - Division 2. But i cant play the game if its dead and all my friends doesnt want to play with me
Care for this game and the community, don't want to set people up for failure, got to be honest with yourself and for others.👌
I was reading the update yesterday with my guild and we were debating coming back. But after seeing the price and as you said lack of content for those 30$ that they are charging we ultimately decided to skip it.
The content is lacking, (especially for us coz we were mostly PvP Players) also removing perks and adding 5 more levels + GS 700 means that we would have to farm and grind again if we wanted to be competitive in any way.
I was rly thinking that NW would be one of the best MMOs in 5 years time but after seeing what they are doing now im quite disappointed.
Fantastic video and a history lesson on updates.
Personally I don't mind paying for content, but as you mentioned 5:31 they have gone way overboard.
And I do feel like I'm getting milked, but what they shown us so far, the content looks amazing and I will buy it 100%.
Scroll healing broken since start of season 2, has been in the game since day 1, and has not been fixed. Plenty of other issues like this that should be fixed before anything else.
complains after complains...that what the new world community is all about. Everyone was crying for mounts, bug fixed, territory influence rework and a new weapon and even before it is out people already start complaining...sad what game community expect these days. I have played so many much worse mmorpgs where people didnt complain or at least not as much as in NW.
Generally have no problem with a 30€ dlc. But what sets me up is that the mutation access/level cap will now be locked behind the paywall. And revamped first light doesn’t make it better since we all payed for this content and they just stole it from us. All i see in this expansion is a pay wall, and them trying to money-grab with every new update. Still maybe give it a try though.
I'm addicted to the gameplay, so I will be weak and give in and buy it😂😂 a soulslike mmo been a dream to me since DS1.
@@VeNoMz_ feel you its a good game. I personally love all the assets and animations. But could be monetized more customer friendly like they promised at release.
Please add more videos :)
100% gonna wait for a steam sale unless there's a big surge of players coming back for more than a month
Gotta love the wow classic music❤
Such a vibe
Have they improved performance? I've got a beefy system but NW always ran poorly
I'm not sure, it ran okay on my GTX1080 now I have a 4090 runs butter smooth, supposedly they have fixed the micro stutters, I used to have those on my GTX1080,
@@VeNoMz_ thanks for the reply. Excited to see how this expansion goes but not sure it will bring many back. We shall see
They brought new performance issues with the last patches. They are working a lot on it.
But they announced, that the new zone will have way more assets. So I assume, that the requirements will be higher with every new content.
You finally realize u were just cow, now they want not only milk but also steak and we both know what happens to cow when u want steak.
I'm once a hardcore player with 200 pvp track, bis gears (considered bis at the time I stopped playing), and 2m coins in the bank. I downloaded the game again (after being away from it for almost a year) to check out the transmog. Still unsure if I'm staying. The low population is kinda discouraging. Also I'm looking to find out if (or if not) all the gears/progress I have made will be made obsolete with all the incoming changes. It'll pretty much be the deciding factor for me.
Yes all your gear will be obsolete, but seems like gearing will be a lot easier and you won't require 5 sets.
i want to come back but ill prefer to 30 dollars when the game is worth that ... i dont mind 5 dollar for now max
Bring open raid pvp and bring back pk mode you will see 100k coming back and then make zones with 0 pk possibility
I returned about week ago and intend to stay.
I'm not sure how old you are and what mmorpgs you have played previously but the things you say indicate you haven't played mmorpgs at all or seen expansions of any mmorpg from times of Anarchy Online to World of Warcraft and beyond.
Nothing against paid expansions, but they are making the base game content smaller and worse. They took away a region and paywalled everything. Base game everyone paid for will become a demo.
So basically 30 bucks for 1 new wep and ability to ride mounts , i wonder how many of the 15k peak online they are having now is gona pay for that , they wont be getting players back , they culd be smart and make this free and get a lot of ppl back to try it and than pay for battle pass / cosmetics ( mount cosmetics is fine with me for example ) . But apparently they dont care , final cash grab, i think after this "xpac" amazon will have to shut it down in a year or so.
I don´t think we should pay to get to level 65 or to get our weapons to 700. That is basicaly p2w.
Also i don´t like that they take away from the players a zone they already paid for in the base game.
Yeah, it's a pretty weird business practice.
Good Animation
MMO's aren't cheap to run or continue to work on, especially with a dwindling player base. There is 0 sub model so yeah, of course they're going to charge $30. That makes complete sense and anyone that is whining about it is delusional. Prices of other things in the shop, which are all optional, aside-- paying for an expansion is standard.
Basically we need to pay for a hard reset....waste everything we have in storage...if there was pvp content, maybe would come back....since when push influence is pvp contentn? Whoever faction zerg the push, will in wht influence race.
Like I said in the video, it blows my mind we don't have a 10v10 Capture the Flag battleground, especially with how popular Warsong Gulch is in WoW, also thanks for the comment♥
Don't see any reason why a new player would still play, older players maybe. New players will still have to pay $30 and then tokens and then more for stuff they missed out on with no sort of catch-up or replacement.
They will forever miss out on that S1 free gearset F 🤔
Missed out on tokens? XD Thats a fully optional feature.
Why would you need a "catch up mechanic" for stuff like that? Its getting absurd xD...
The gear set from S1 might bei a thing, but with the improved game design, we wont need that mich sets anymore.
I had 6 sets just for PvE tanking, we wont need that anymore.
Gear Sets lose their importance with the new changes.
I think you are way off the mark here. Look at nearly every other MMO. The really popular ones have a sub AND charge for expansions AND have way more monetization on conveniece AND most have pay to win. New World may not be perfectly monetized, but it is certainly a lot better than the competition. I am not sure why everyone seems to ignore that fact. And frankly, it doesn't matter how much it is, it only matters how good it is. No one will look back and say, "man that was the best expansion in the world, but the game died because they charged $30 instead of making it free." If it is good, people will pay and be happy. If it is bad, no one will be happy (free or otherwise). This all feels like drama for the sake of drama.
I agree. Its kinda weird, gaming community is always so negative about everything.
If they would make it free, ppl would cry about the again too full servers after release and they would call it a "proof" for not having enough content to charge for it.
I won't be back. Too little to late
Yeah ill return. For maybe 2 months. Just being realistic. I prefer sandbox mmos...and i prefer pvp/safe zones, not optional flagging. Also hate instanced content. Lol
Not paying AGS another Penny.
"Get a job: Already got one"
"They need to make money some how: Agreed thats why they have cash shop, and DLCs"
"But this is also a DLC?: No, this is basically a result of the "Alpha/ Beta" we have been lured to buy in full price, and been waiting for them to come with an actual solution and polish the game"
So?? Yeah you have no more arguments. Unless your a AGS SIMP.
I am not paying a penny. AGS can go SAD.
I reinstalled, saw that I still can't get any kind of group for an expedition in a reasonable amount of time, after having a laugh at transmog mechanics and seeing the resource nodes are more or less always there due to total lack of players, I pretty much see no return to this game.
Been prepping for xpac stocking up on some T5 mats and legit 0 competition LOL.
Season 4 will help this game A LOT - Cross Server Dungeon Findet will be huge.
The waiting times are really the worst thing of the game.
Locking what is essentially a seasonal update, with core mechanics and less overall content than brimstone (which was free) behind a paywall that's nearly the price of the base game, is a surefire way to split the community and drive away returning players. Nobody is going to pay another $30 to get back a revamped zone they lost, access to mutations they lost, a basic weapon and a core game feature that has been requested since launch. They'll just play something else, likely for free.
"Nobody"? XD Lol..
A lot of players will. And "a basic weapon"? Do you even play New World?
Its even more, than a new class in other MMORPGs.
Well it looks like it need to remember how to play the game again lol
You will have fun for sure, when was the last time you played?
I encourage you to do the Season 2 Blood of the Sands questline, has some thrilling moments, good story telling.
For a B2P game $30 for a expansion is not too bad, even if its not packed with content. Just compare it to WOW where $30 is 2 months of gameplay
You're right, but there are multiple ways to look at it. I can buy 40+ years of WoW subscription or for the same $ I can spend it on transmog tokens to gain full access to my transmog collection on NW.
I have my fingers crossed its more content packed than we think though, they have been working on it for a entire year🤞
@@VeNoMz_ ye but wow also has a lot of skins in their shop and not all the skins in new world look any good
@@LumaTr1xx True, but skins have gotten better recently 💪they are no longer 🤡
WoW doesn't monetize their transmog though in a shop. And WoW can pretty much get away with anything because it's built up a player base over the years, because it didn't have much competition back in its day.
@@ReadR00ster1 Very true and years and years of progress on a character also makes you quit less likely.
I think you're unreasonable for saying it's not worth the $30, I think you misunderstand the $1/h cost to be entertained. If you're going to play this expac for at least 100 hours...anyone watching this TH-cam chnl probably would play 200 hours of New World within the year, you're looking at a 15 cent per hour entertainment for a game. 15 cents an hour!?! That's a rip off to you, not free enough?
I think that's naive and unrealistic, maybe you're somebody who has never paid $4.5 for a coffee in the city, FYI...a coffee can cost that much.
You also failed to mention that they are redoing the quest line in both Edengrove and Great Cleave irrespective of the expac. I'm okay with First Light being a revamp, if it was a useless zone and I personally, speaking only for myself, would rather see all the existing content be made more relevant, as apposed to pushing new content that replaces existing leaving it for dead. I personally, think WoW failed at this, and New World seems to be correcting it, it's a shame you can't acknowledge that either.
Let me be REALLY clear about this....I've played Hogwarts Legacy Digital Deluxe Edition and enjoyed it, total hours played is 93.2hrs, that game cost me $99.95AU...New World I've played for 1658.6hrs and paid $69.95AU...that's a rate of just over 4 cents an hour of enjoyment I am receiving.
Who of you is so ridiculously naive to think game developers should just work for free because fuck them that's why. I'm sorry but I'm a PC gamer, and I'd like companies to keep making games I enjoy, and that means we need to occasionally compensate them for their time.
Imagine going to a movie theatre and sitting their indefinitely watching films saying you'll only pay 0.04 dollars an hour and anything more is unreasonable.
@@StoNe-ji6bc bro who are u talkin to lol
I mentioned the MSQ story update my guy♥that's when I said it's been 2 years and it's still not finished😢
And yes I'm a fan of polishing existent content as well, that's why Monarch's Bluff is my fav zone now.
But it shouldn't have a price tag on it, it was literally in the game when you bought it day 1,
that it sucked so bad that it had to be remade is not something you put on the costumer.
I'll use a coffee analogy for you 'since you mentioned coffee', you pay for coffee, they fk up the order and they will make you a new one, if you pay lol.
fishing sucks
Charge $15 and give everyone mounts and weapon for the free update. It shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall. Brimstone was massive, don’t charge 30 for an area y’all took away and mounts that should have been there from launch
This "an area they took away" argument... Geez...
That area was useless, it was needed for the release and it was kinda dead a long time.
They make a better and useful zone out of it and they even tell a story with that change.
In other MMORPGs thats a feature we love, when zones evolve with the story.
I thought they just kept improving the game. I was unaware they were simultaneously ruining the game. They have P2W crap like boosters now? Transmog cost money?! What the crap?!
The game itself has been improving a insane amount from combat smoothness to content quality, but the monetization been a oof.
well thius game its fueirht trashd if evryone its thinking about playing this indie game consider they blocked the transfer to 99% of server so you cant play with your firend and you cant ask a refound, max capicity of one server its 2,7k player. in 2008 a wow private server made ina teen romm was containing 10k player , all for sponsor this shit game and made amazon scam money luck you