Diablo 4: Ending Explained (& What Officially Happens Next)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2023
- The story of Diablo 4 is layered in deception and intrigue. From the beginning, as we watch Lilith and Inarius' puppet show, the spectacle of the world struggling under the weight of their power struggle leaves another to move unnoticed… at least, as far as the breadth of his influence is concerned…
From the final battle with Lilith, to the credit roll, let's discuss the Ending of Diablo 4, and the future of the game, that's been revealed thus far.
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Mephisto: "Oh noooo don't capture me in a soulstone and give me a free ticket back into Sanctuary. That would be the worst."
Sick copypasta dood
Actually, he made his intention clear to the player and Neyrelle, but he said that this might be the lesser evil for us than Lilith becoming a prime evil.
The girl: Though I have this stone, I will not succumb to its influence.
5 minutes later
(Rams it on her forehead)
@@grinampwnsyeah the funny thing is that he was not lying after all
Sorry Nayrel, but things usualy don’t turn out well for people who hold unto a soulstone containing a prime evil.
Did you not think the wolf eating your horse in the intro looked like Mephisto's silhouette? He scares and kills our horse, starting the event that allows him to 'save' us.
Exactly what I taught after learning the wolf was Mephisto
It's 💯 percent mephisto. Just started a new character and it would be silly if that's not the case
It is him , it was visable from the start. He was nudging the correct players in the way he wanted to get the outcome he wanted. Dont forget , he wants a free ticket back to Sanctuary. Defating Lilith (his rival) is just the cherry on top.
In D2 , when you meat Izual in Hell he tells you that he told Diablo and his brotters everything about the SoalStones and how to currupt them. Then they orcastrated their own exile to Sancuary in order to conquer it.
What that stupid girl is doing is exactly what he wants. She will lead him to a large temple and he will do Zacarum corruption version 2.0. That temple will become Kurast and you will have to fight him and repeat D2.
What is trully ironic in the end is that both Lilith and Maphisto told you the truth the entire time. Maphisto only held back some of the details so you can get the wrong conclusions. The only liars are Inarious who pritended to be the saviour while whanting to destroy Sanctuary because he was delusional and Pravda who was so blined about her faith that she spread lies about Inarious and the Horodrim when she returned from Hell (saved by the Horodrim by the way).
@@mowtow90All true, just one thing about the tree prime evils “orchestrating” their exile to Sanctuary: is this actually true? In the lore they are exiled by the 4 lesser evils who where tired of them and wanted more power. Unless I’m forgetting something, which could be
@@ShinigamiAnger Yes ,you get it from a conversation with Tyrael. I just dont remember if it was in D2 or D3.
Lilith : oh no my father is free! You will have no victory! 😡😤
D2 players: how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?!
Picks up rusted and dented old axe and gazes towards the distant crimson horizon.
The thing is tho, defeating a prime evil with the Diablo 4 nephelim won't be anywhere near as easy to the extent as we did in diablo 2 or 3. tbh the fact we defeated Prime Diablo at the end of D3 is kinda bonkers regarding power levels. If 1 of the nephelim from D3 was a boss in D4 it would surely have to be a world boss as it would fuck us the fuck up xD
@@th3grimreap3r69We don't know if the wanderer is nephalheim or not. I'd expect Big D himself to possess the D3 nephalheim himself.
@@Ahzathoth nah not now, all the prime and lesser evils were respawning in hell after d3 and reaper of souls. It has been 50 years since reaper of souls. So with mephisto still forming I'd wager that baal and diablo are too and not fully formed. But I also just really liked mephistos character in d4. I didn't play d2, it released a year b4 I was born but I enjoyed d3 and d4.
@@Ahzathoth also all humans are nephalem no? Just over time they've been weakened and weakened thanks to Anarius altering the world stone right? I'm only recently getting into the diablo lore so I'm still catching up and stuff. :)
Mephisto: If diablo can get boobs i can too!!
Baal: Me next, me next
He saved us... from his own attack. he killed our horse and left us in the cold to begin with... he be plotting
He set us up on the path he want from the start.😂
@@Vantud391 yup.
he was twirling his demonic mustache the entire time
They let a teenage girl walk off with a Soul Stone? Were the writers on crack?
"Strong female lead"?
Well they're just a bunch of dumb men that were in the way. They needed a strong wahman to get the job done where all others have failed.
Yup, they didn't learn from forcing us to care about Leah in D3. Someone's got a fantasy of seeing all Primes with boobs.
@@lazarushf Hey man if someone at blizz just really likes monster titties then who am I to judge?
I'll be honest, I didn't like how it ended with Neyrelle talking down to Lorath like she's some enlightened young soul. She just comes off as condescending. She's just a kid, and we're supposed to just take her word that she's going to know what to do with a Prime Evil soulstone?? Nah. It feels way too forced. Honestly, it should have been her to die in Hell, and Doran live. It would fit the dark theme better, that the young die and the old carry on, just like how Yorin died. But it's Blizzard, so....
The story was great up until that point. There were still some plot holes, but I enjoyed it overall. It's certainly much better if you play the side missions and not just the campaign; there's so much extra flavor that the main story doesn't involve.
i was so mad that my character just openly trusted her with the most manipulative being in existence, especially after seeing how easily her mother was manipulated by Lilith. Like girl, you've made mainly bad decisions since I met you. You lost your hand to a white mob behind an easily broken door, how can I trust you with a final boss in your inventory.
Agree that feel so forced and stupid on characters side.
Yep. I was just watching after I beat the game like "what the fuck is going on?" And then I'm like "Yes. Yes, we go after her against her will. She's a child."
I mean come on. It's like "well, the most cunning and manipulative of all the evils has been removed from hell and is being carted around by a child. But at least we respected the wahman's autonomy."
Bro FR like wtf is with this ending? Idk if it was supposed to be empowering but mind you this child literally spent few hours with the old folks and think she a girl boss or something... My sister in Christ, you didn't even contribute enough to even make that call to take the crystal, let alone handle yourself against a washed up water zombie for fuck sake 💀
It's all in keeping with Mephisto's ways. He convinces you that you know better than others, that you are doing the right thing and eventually magnifies your doubts about others into paranoia, distrust, then complete hatred.
She's speaking like that because she is under early stages of influence, thinking that she's somehow enlightened and knows better. Meanwhile, so too is your character influenced, convinced that your need to stop Lilith's plans is more important than anything else in the world, and that you can figure out what to do with Mephisto later, because right now, you need to kill Lilith, his greatest threat.
He did things like this before, convincing the Lesser Evils into exiling the Primes into Sanctuary, believing that they know better and would rule the Hells for themselves. He convinced Tyrael, via Izual that the Soulstones would trap the Prime Evils, when they would do no such thing, instead serving as anchors for them in Sanctuary. He convinced the Zacharumites that they can contain him by burying his stone beneath the Tower of Light, and convinced the High Council that they were the only ones who could keep him at bay, then tricked them into thinking that they could divide his power and restrain his influence by chipping off shards of the stone and embedding it into their palms. He then convinced them that everyone else was trying to steal the stone and sowed hateful paranoia, described as happening so gradually that no one knew it was happening until Travincaal closed it's gates and started lashing out at everyone. Kalim was slaughtered around this time, being the only one who resisted. He fooled the Diablo 2 heroes into thinking that they needed to pursue Diablo, stopping him from rallying the armies of Hell, when Baal was the bigger threat, or at least a big enough one to warrant at least someone chasing him down as well.
He even did things like manipulating your character in Diablo 4 into Lilith's path, and most likely engineered Inarius' escape to draw out any threats to his plans, and directed Astaroth into coming into direct conflict with the Horadrim to force them into using a Soulstone and having it recorded and ready to be brought back out for future plans.
It makes sense that Neyrelle would take the stone and use it to try to trap Mephisto and that the main character would be convinced that it was the best choice at the time.
If you read the Book of Lorath entries, you see that Lorath definitely wasn't just sitting back and trusting her choices, but has no real choice but to wait until she shows her hand, having left little, if not no clues as to where she was going and what she was intending on doing. All we can do is to trace the trail of darkness and discord in the wake of Mephisto's influence and try to figure it out from there.
Lilith being easily swept aside and being a disappointment to players is evidence that they cleverly tricked us into forgetting details that they repeatedly rammed into our heads: The Primes will always reform in the Abyss in the absence of a Soulstone catching their Essence, taking their places in Hell, the main thing keeping them out of Sanctuary was the Worldstone, and that's long gone now, and that no one seems to escape the machinations and manipulations of the Primes. It should have been bleedingly obvious by the end that something like this would happen, because we knew damned well that Mephisto was back, but instead, we were played into focussing on Lilith and what she was up to, and ended up expecting everything to centre around her, hence the disappointment.
Sure, we can still feel like the hype fell flat, but you have to admit that it was at least a little clever how they set the pieces in place and it didn't dawn on most of us where it was going until it was nearly done.
Lorath is probably the most saddest part of the story. He knows exactly what is going to happen even of all hopes than Neyrelle carrys on, she will fail, suffer and bring death to Sanctuary once again. But he can’t do anything. All his knowledge is useless because he understands that there are forces humans can’t fully understand and control. He was betrayed, his friends died, he lost everything and yet still tried his best to complete his duty but it wasn’t enough, at the end he just quit because is old, tired and can’t see the same shit again.
It was really sad.
Then what's the point of Lorath's existence?
I don’t know. The dude seems like a profession quitter to me. Donan even called him out on it. Lorath seems to halfass everything he does, at least to me.
@@CBRN-115 Characters like him are a huge build up for a significant event. Lorath went from some lackey of Tyrael who he sent off to look for you to basically being your handler in D4, they got plans for him just like they have with Tyrael. I just doubt we will see their purpose manifest in the expansions or even in Diablo 5
@ckoritko yes he's a quitter. But guarantee that's just build up for his big moment where he overcomes that flawed side of himself and does what the last horadrim must do because no one else will. Whatever that is.
@@ckoritko Just like Neyrelle fits the "strong female character" trope, Lorath falls neatly into the "useless old man" trope.
Every time someone has thought “oh I can resist the evil in the soul stone” they have indeed not been able to resist lol
Yeah it laughs in the face of the whole "Nephalem have the potential to be stronger than Angels or Demons" point made over and over that caused both to consider simply wiping them out.
Only person who was ever able to resist was Kalim…..but he got ripped apart but the corrupted zakuram order….would be cool if neyrel had ties to him
This. Neyrelle will either go mad due to his influence or knows exactly what she's doing and is actually planning to serve Mephisto.
Mephisto got exactly what he wanted. He is the master manipulator and the most intelligent of the Seven Evils. I think Mephisto was behind Inarius "glorious escape" and it was all an act where Inarius himself things he escaped by his own hand but in reality it was Mephisto allowing his demon guards to be killed by Inarius and then escape. Just like Gandalf said about Gollum to Frodo "escaped from Mordor or was set free...." Inarius was set free as a counterplay to Lilith being summoned back to Sanctuary and wanting to absorb Mephisto, her father. Inarius is a chess piece on the chessboard that is Sanctuary and later the High Heavens.
While I do agree that Mephisto almost planned everything out. I dont think he set Innarius free. We dont know how Inarius got free after thousand of years, but what we do know is that he restablish his Church of light on Sanctuary. But this took years and Lilith was only freed recently by Elias
@@FloundBlacky I get your point, but I also think Inarius was set free, even if Inarius would have thought it was due to his own cunning etc.
Think about it.. Inarius is extremely destructive to the "light".. and yet he isn't strong enough to take Lilith out, nevermind Mephisto..
@@a_diamond yeah Inarius is like the average angel in terms of strengh without the world stone 😆
just my few cents worth --
i like the fact that mephisto didn't even bother to offer a deal ... it's just take it or leave it ... and bear the consequences .... no immediate temptation, just manipulation ....
also, a slightly different end is that neyrelle didn't stab herself with the soul stone ... unlike what aidan did to himself ... so hatred's influence won't be that quick ...
I hav a feeling that all these will end in tristram where it all began ... and we get the 3 primes gathering once more like d2 uber tristram (remember the hellish tristram mephisto showed early in the game as the wolf?)
@floundblacky1331 This still works. The cathedral of light and the triune have existed from the days of the sin war. The cathedral survived even, so no problem.
I think Neyrelle is a child who decided she knew more and could do more than anyone ever could. Instead of leaving the soul stone in the hands of the person who resisted hatred’s daughter with her blood running through their veins, she decided she could handle despite us having to keep her safe the entire time.
Edit: So a lot of the replies I'm getting are about Neyrelle being a Mary Sue and whatnot. Just a quick question, cause maybe I missed it, but what did Neyrelle do that was spectacular or makes her female character overdone? I very genuinely dislike Mary Sue's, but Neyrelle is not one at all. She hangs out through the story, does nothing spectacular, and makes a stupid decision at the end. I don't know what her being a female has to do with any of this.
Common Wanderer L
Wahmen hahahah
Yah she is the embodiment of I'm a strong independent wahmen. This why I really really want her to get corrupted so I could farm her ass later in the expansion.
@@venvengthis entire plot is just an excuse for us to grind legendaries off of corrupted nyrelle
I think the people who don't think she had been corrupted from much earlier in the game aren't paying attention. Everything that happens in the game was by Mephistos design and he probably wormed his way into her mind well before the soulstone situation meaning that Lorath saying "itll take time for Mephistos power to seep out and corrupt her" is super short sighted and obviously not applicable.
Mephisto doesn’t “save” the wanderer. He killed the protagonist’s horse. Rewatch the intro.
I think Mephisto is already leading Neyrel on a path set by him. When she stabbed the soulstone into his essence her arm lit up with (presuming) part of Mephisto's essences to attune himself or control her actions. That's my guess at least
You echo my thoughts
Anyone that trusts Mephisto is a silly billy. But he was a good dog
@@JuniAku Easily sums his entire story up
Yes, everything that happened to her is kind of leading down a path of her being controlled by Mephisto. I wouldn't be surprised if Mephisto has been influencing her mother and her for a long time now.
I have so many questions and suspicions about her. Things all happen for a reason when things are well written, so why did Neyrelle lose her arm? That really wasn't something that was needed to drive the story or Neyrelles character forward, she's already established as someone hardened by the world.
So what is that a set up for? We saw already a soul stone can be stabbed into someone and it does something to them but as Donan said there's still hope even with the soul stone shoved into his son's head.
I think this all 100% leads to Neyrelle shoving that stone into her arm. Maybe she is in trouble with no way to defend herself and that's her only option, believing she can still resist Mephisto or something.
I think that's her path, that that soul stone gets shoved into her arm and slowly she is corrupted until she just tries to help Mephisto come back somehow. I don't think it's a 1:1 situation with the other soul stone and donans son though, i don't think it will be as easy for Mephisto to come back like that as it was astaroth. Astaroth still had to burn people to power up and take over his host. So what is Mephisto going to need Neyrelle to do once he is in her arm?
I think that's the story of Neyrelle, the stone gets shoved into her arm somehow because idk why she lost her arm otherwise. Then she goes on a campaign to power Mephisto.
@@SteroidBlackBeltclearly its to make way for her chainsaw arm to aid her search for the necronomicon. /s
Man really had the Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka reaction to being sucked into a soulstone, just "No, stop, police. Someone please help, the horror." Lmao
Neyrelle is at a crossroads - she either realizes her potential as a heroic prodigy and, resisting all of mephisto’s corrupting powers, finds a long term solution to locking him away or she succumbs as just another possessed vessel as a result of her misguided adolescent decision making which showed itself several times in the D4 story.
I'll tell you the answer right now, the latter 😂 always has been with the heroes since D1 😂
Except for the Nephalem who was basically Jesus.
I am of the opinion that the whole plot of the game is entirely Mephisto's plan, from its backstory even.
Inarius which was trapped in hell under Mephisto custody somehow got free and go back to sanctuary there reinvigorating his previous religion into a sort of a cult.
Astaroth, Mephisto's lieutenant, and basically the guardian of his temple, decide exactly in that period, while his master is supposedly at his weakest, to invade sanctuary and conveniently end up trapped in a soulstone. Which getting freed from eagerly agree to betray his master without posing any doubt.
Then an apprentice Horadrim somehow come to learn how to resurect Lilith ( Mephisto's daughter and Inarius previous lover) and resurect her right at the same time, reinvigorate and redirect the cult of the prime.
The resurrection of Lilith become an imminent threat from the perspective of sanctuary which allows Mephisto to be seen as a secondary threat.
The 2 cults hate each other and cause hate to fester in their followers, and in those that interact with them.
At this time Rathma had already spoke his prophecy and closed the gate of hell, and the 2 "lovers" convenintly get rid of him and reopen the gates allowing Mephisto to pass through.
And then there is the whole soulstone shenanigans, an Horadrim "trinket" he already got trapped twice and freed himself from, probably knowing full well how to use it from the inside. A soulstone that would not have existed had Astaroth not invaded sanctuary.
Either that is an incredible string of coincidences or it was all planned from the start (Maybe except Rathma prophecy, that may be what caused Mephisto to come up with this plan)
Than comes the question, what is Mephisto connection to the player ? He probably is the wolf that caused the player to need rescuing in the first place, how did he know the player was the right person for his plan ? Was it coincidence, did he go through trial and error multiple times, or did he had something to do with the player getting that strong in the first place ?
This may be just adapt facts to the theory, but when in act 3 the player goes to Mephisto's altar to get his blessing, and defeats the ghosts of the barbarians, Mephisto's says to the player "You were born for this", was it just an expression or did he imply more ? he also says that he welcomes the barbarians hatred despite them hindering his reformation.
I think similar to D3 you are a true Nephilum. So you got the extreme power needed to fight heaven and hell. I can see him manipulate Neyrelle to either make herself a vessel for himself to become full power or a vessel like Leah was used to bring back Diablo.
@@alexanderforrest1983 technically speaking all humans are nephalem, what Is not really clear Is why some are incredibly powerfull when compared to the majority,
Now, hypotetically, if Mephisto were to have a child with and Angel, the child would also be a nephalem. Again, not being clear what happens, if a Demon or an Angel were to have a child with a human.
@@davidecolucci6260 Inarius modified the worldstone to make Nephilim weaker until they eventually became human, since D2 the worldstone has been destroyed so humans are getting their powers back and actual Nephilim are returning to power. Edit to say it is not a good explanation but the only one I can come up with.
Leah was a child of Diablo and a human and unless I am mistaken it was mentioned in D3 she was a Nephilim as well after that fact was revealed to us and her. Honestly D4's knockoff Leah could be a daughter of Mephisto so he could have some control over her like Diablo had with Leah and used her to get him back to sanctuary, I hope that is why because trapping him again in a soulstone made no sense to me.
@@davidecolucci6260was explained in D3 that demons made a plague that weaken and die off for the naph. So ofc very few would survive without suffering weakness of being human.
It's fact that the demons knew about the soul stones way before it was used on them. Thx to one of the captured angels not inarius it's the other one spilling the beans about it. Making them rather ineffective.
Would have made the story so much better if we had choices we could make.
I had to remind myself Diablo isn’t an rpg that actually lets you have a say on the story, we’re just along for the ride. I really wanted the option to take up Lilith’s offer and was so annoyed when we THE MAIN CHARACTER couldn’t decide what to do with the soul stone.
@@arg_9584Same. Love the game, but that's definitely my biggest gripe. Been bashing Inarius for being a bitch far before release and that cutscene in Hell was 10/10 for me. By then I already wanted to just side with Lilith and that was reaffirmed more with the rest involving Mephisto.
I mean, I get it, Blizz wants their expansions and the Prime Evils to return, but the end was almost bittersweet for a lore fan like me... So ridiculously obvious what was going to happen when she took the stone. Aidan couldn't do it. Tal Rasha couldn't do it. Now some kid thinks she's better than all of them and your experienced character just lets it fucking happen... Damn Blizzard writing lol.
@@LegaltTO That's exactly what made it worse for me, some random kid decides she can take the soulstone, after you (The main character) going around doing all the hard work to prevent further destruction xD doesn't even make sense
I was more mad that after all that... I go work for a tree
If a 'Prime Evil' and 'Religious Fanatics' tell me, "Lilith will be sanctuary's doom, you must stop her", i would do the opposite and help her instead. No-brainer to do the opposite of what 2 extremes want you to do.
Everyone in Sanctuary thinks they're "special". "Surely I wont succumb to 'x' evil!"
How many times do they have to be taught this lesson lol
All the main characters turn so dumb at the ending.
What was Neyrelle thinking to go alone with the soulstone of a Prime Evil?
And what were The Wanderer and Lorath thinking to "honor" such a stupid choice of her like that?
Because plot. That’s why Dx
Have you even read the lore for D2 & D1 everytime they escaped it was cause of something dumb it doesn't matter.
@@SoundlessFantasy I mean to be fair they usually planned their escape and purposely used Soul-stones to their advantage
Sure maybe mephisto will corrupt her and destroy sanctuary. But hey. At least they didn't violate her autonomy by going after her against her wishes. The wahman's sovereignty must be respected and revered above all else. Including the well-being of the world and everyone on it.
Because she already got influenced by the power of Mephisto😅
“ hatred flowed from my mouth “ - Mephisto is brought into Sanctuary because of Rathmas prophecy
Unfortunately his presence was always there tho
No he is here because the plot forced us to allow the crippled child to take his soulstone alone. Trash writing
@@grilledleeks6514 I wanted to side with Mother.
@grilledleeks6514 well we were the ones who crippled her... the Wanderer and Lorath
@@navyflyboy07 who cares??? We shouldn't let her have the fuckin stone for any reason
Watch the starting credits, mephisto also kills your horse, he kills horse, forces you to be saved by him. Set everything up
Diablo IV's story was unexpectedly full of epic twists & mysteries. I love it more than D2 & D3
I am almost 100% about this. There is a book in the Horadrim stronghold "Lounge" that references the time Tyrael spent with the group. At the end, when you go try and fetch Neyrelle that book is closed and smoking. I felt like this was an intentional hint to us.
Neyrelle went out in search of Tyrael😂
Doesn't Tyrael have a new name now cuz he changed it? Cuz Tyrael = angel of justice but he became angel of wisdom. Wisdom > Justice. He's like a charmander evolving into a charizard
this was a good catch and i was wandering if anyone else caught this obscure detail.
I think the evils´ should start thinking about trying something new; maybe become fruit farmers or invest in elderly care or something. I mean in D3 they already fused to become the Prime Evil, invaded the Heavens AND STILL got beat up by a random nephalem. Give it a rest will ya? It won´t work.
That's kinda the whole point evil never rests it only takes one hero at the end of the journey to give over the world they don't care how many times thet die for that to happen dying is like breathing to demons hell i wouldn't doubt they try to find more interesting ways to die.
Speaking of which, what the hell happened to that hero? I don't give a shit about D3, but this game barely made any references to that hero.
@@ThisIsCaspa he probably became so powerful that he simply doesn't care about anything anymore. Like dr. Manhatten
@@ThisIsCaspa it is a massive gaping plot-hole not to address what became of the god-tier slayer of the prime evil and the embodiment of death.
Going by what has been shown in previous and later games one can pressume those nephalem are Johanna (female Crusader), Kharazim (male Monk,)Li-Ming (female Wizard), Nazeebo (male Witch Doctor), Sonya (female Barbarian), "The Chosen" (female Necromancer), and Valla (female Demon Hunter).
Only Johanna possibly appears in Dablo 4. That Johanna is dead and her apprentice (once helped to retrieve it as part of a side quest) dons her armor and takes her name, as is the crusader custom. Weird the death of such powerful being is just a skippable quest. Like WHO THE FUCK KILLED THE LITERALL GOD-KILLER?!
The lore of these games hurt my brain, it feels like every game is a retcon of the previous one. Like, why even about the story care if it'll all be changed in the next game so the events of current game isn't even canon to its own sequel? 😒
@@goldendoomslayer6301I am certainly not breathing reading your comment
If they learned how to corrupt the soul stone once, it only means that you can do it again, and even faster. Mephisto knew what he wanted to happen. Neyrelle is still young and naive to the Evils, despite what her mom and Lorath think.
The story was so good then it kinda like... just ended... I wanted more of lilith honestly, or to join her side
The first act hooked me in during beta, but after actually playing it, it had a lot of flaws and dragged or felt mediocre.
The good parts that did shine through felt like it was over in a hurry.
honestly I have no idea what was "so good" about the story, nothing really happened from like act 3 to the end of 5 and then act 6 was like oh no mephisto is powerful let's put him in the stone then you kill lilith and save the day and it ends
@MissBeloved__ I enjoyed the first several acts, the last parts seemed rushed and they threw away a bunch of potential, lilith could have raised a third faction against heaven and hell imho
Agreed. ^^* She left some options open for nuance too, and that got squandered. Thing is - she isn't wrong.
Interesting, I didn't pick up on the fact the cultists were transition to be fanatics of Mephisto and not necessarily of Lillith. Looking back it was quite strange Mephisto did nothing to stop from being imprisoned in the soulstone even though we know he at the very least has command of the bloody wolf and presumably other demons in hell as well. I agree with the idea the video puts forth that he allowed himself to be captured and helped the wanderer (player character) all to protect himself from Lillith. He straight up tells us the reason he helps us is because we can defeat Lillith, while that is true it is also in the nature of the lords of hell to manipulate adventurers to inadvertently do their bidding. Perhaps being imprisoned in the soulstone he saw as a great way to protect himself from Lillith and the wanderer who would have no reason not to strike him down while he was weakened. We all know the soulstones prove to be rather poor prisons for demons and they always escape.
Thing about it is, end cutscene for reaper of souls, tyreal stated that malthael destroying the soulstone to absorb it and than losing his battle released all the prime and lesser evils. We already killed 2 lessers and one prime is now in sanctuary, even being mostly imprisoned. On top of that, we only get a small nugget of info about the other part of sanctuary, what is the state of tristram, eastmarch, arreat, etc.
Lilith had one of, if not the best trailers Blizzard ever made and I think she just didn't live up to that hype
She did nothing in the entire game, then immediately dies to the player. Woooo
@@grilledleeks6514 i am willing to believe, she will have still role, maybe at the final DLC we will FINALLY help her to become the prime evil, making a deal with her, so no demons will attack Sanctuary anymore. But then it will lead the most anticlimatic scenario: Diablo 5, war against Heaven, whereas Imperius is the Archangel of Wrath.
@@grilledleeks6514 not true. She stole Nafain’s legs
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She didn't exactly do nothing, just not anything particularly grand. For 90% of the game, she just looked for a key to her old home's back door that her son had, freed her dad's weird friend from rock jail who let her bypass her dad's security system, and tried to recruit some neighborhood thugs to help beat up her dad. All so she can shank dad while he's recovering from a brutal beating to then take ownership of the house.
Sanctuary at this point is effectively a smoking ruin after all the demon incursions and Malthael genociding 90% of it, not like theres really much left to do with it frankly, that world is just rotting away.
I hate the ending. Like they literally gave you the choice. Lorath tells you that you “decide” since you have been the one who has been doing the deciding in the first place. The reason why they got that far. Only for the next scene to have your character give it to her. Saying that they don’t know what choice to make. I was soooooooooo mad.
I kinda felt the same way but on the other hand Mephisto had been toying with us literally from the beginning influencing you with his way of words even if you didn’t realize. You could argue he killed our horse in the beginning sparking his plan all along. So in a way it kinda makes sense for someone else to make the decision and not us since we could possibly have a bias opinion and it could be the wrong one to make.
They want you to buy the DLC
To be fair our character is compromised because we got Lilith's blood.
@@rosenrot234 so was every single one of them. A matter of fact the reason why we got this far is because of Moms blood.
@@childelee2569 Yeah but the others didn't have blood of hatred in their bodies possibly getting in the way of choice making.
The part where the wolfie said that eventually "we would be enemies, but for now we need each other", was where all my doubts were removed that Top M was playing us all the while!
I loved act 6 and the epilogue. Despite how terrifying the concept of being bound to Mephisto is, the imagery in the epilogue was so damn cool.
Really love where the story is going and cant wait too see more!
Imagery...? My dude with the music, it was heavenly. I know that people get iffy on nostalgia bait, but damn I felt like letting a new wanderer slip from our hands.
Man MEPHISTO here was so smooth and calm and f. Makes me wonder like he is onto something with these transitions/pace he is on, damn this is thrilling like he knows what he's doing! DLC Mephisto will be so gooooood! 👍
Mephisto : You kill lilith i smile, trap me in the soulstone back to sanctuary i smile too.
" I Saw a Child give birth to a mother" That part could be just Elias
I think act I foreshadowed what's going to happen. After Neyrelles mother died Neyrelle said to us that she is TRYING not to hate us.. only to end up with the lord of hatred in her pockets. I think she most likely becomes some sort of pawn in Mephistos plans. I expect her to turn evil and to be cut down by us, before or during Mephisto gets re-awakened again.
Gotta admit, after finishing the campaign last night, I was pretty underwhelmed with D4's story. The first three acts felt like they dragged on interminably, and then acts 4-6 were over practically in the blink of an eye. After all of it, we never really got any answers as to what Lilith's "master plan" even was. What were her intentions for Sanctuary? What was she actually going to do after absorbing Mephisto's essense? Why did Elias think that Lilith was the savior of humanity? What was the greater true meaning of Rathma's prophecy?
There was a lot of potential building up with the Lilith vs. Inarius plot as well, but it basically goes nowhere, and Lilith defeats Inarius easily because he selectively becomes stupid and turns his back on her for a cry.
I assume since there are planned expansions we're going to be continuing the story into those and I assume a lot of the questions will be revealed.
Although we may not know how but it seems quite clear Lilith's end goal seems to be to end the eternal war. The prime essence being part of said plan.
As for Elias I assume he either knew something we do not yet or he is also a casualty of Lilith's clear ability to manipulate the minds of humans.
Lastly as for the meaning of the prophecy it did end up becoming true in the end but note that the version we hear mostly throughout the campaign is inarius's flawed view of it where he is the hero. In the end she was undone by exactly what it said. If it wasn't for the damage inarius did to Lilith with his spear of light we may not have had the strength to defeat her.
At least these are my interpretations.
They plainly state on multiple occasions that after absorbing mephisto's essence, lilith plans to overthrow the prime evils in hell.
I agree %100
Well that’s obvious but then what? We know she is TRULY against the eternal conflict. Will she abolish heaven AND hell? Or would she just become tathamet? What benefits do heaven and hell have on sanctuary anyway? We know all things in balance but could sanctuary survive without any demon in hell or Angel in heaven?
Lilith's plan is stated outright several times: take Mephisto's power while he's still recovering, gain control of all of Mephisto's forces, get Elias to recruit Andariel/Duriel/both, then snowball into taking out Diablo and Baal while they're also still recovering to conquer all of Hell and Sanctuary, then use the forces of both to conquer Heaven.
It's just that she spends 80% of the campaign trying to figure out how to go back to Hell since she got kicked out and finding a way to bypass her dad's old bouncer so that he and Mephisto's million other commanders don't just slap her down once she arrives. Her plan is plainly laid out, but her main issue is that it takes a while for it to properly start due to the amount of prep work required for it to start in the first place.
Dat Tristram strum in the ending's music, tho.
If there is one thing I'm noticing being missed completely by a lot of people here it's that this story hasn't been fully told yet. Not saying there is not issues with the campaign but that ending was literally a cliffhanger to future story content. The devs have said on more than a few occasions that this is how future seasonal content and live service stuff is gonna matter in relation to the game
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All those people if they complain about that, have to be too young and didn't play D2 and know the concept of expansion pack story.
Story already finished they just cut it to pieces to make sure they get to milk the us like the angels and demons used the nephalem
I wanted to side with Lilith.. This is sad that we couldnt choose..
That part
Lilith wantonly murdered innocents to advance her agenda. Allying wither her’s like allying with Stalin in ww2… it’s a deal with the devil.
Last time Blizz let players decide shit, people wanted to either join or rebel against sylvanas to the point where you could tell they didn't plan on one side getting so favored.
Lilith is just as bad as the rest. She just wants to use humans for her own selfish ends and you can see that when she gets upset at you for kicking her ass. Talk about free will and saying you squandered your free will.
@@ch4osaeternum74 I kinda liked she was like that. Because it really showed just how both her and inarius had a lot of toxic parent traits.
Now that you have finished the main story I can watch this, thanks brother.
I was probably so annoying to my friend I played through D4 with, I was so frustrated with the sheer stupidity of the main protagonist cast, Lorath, Donan, Neirelle (however you spell it) and my character were all just so painfully stupid, from Lorath trading his head for information we already knew, to Donan being a constant fuckup just to die because of a spooky pillar, to our character flagrantly using the Eye despite already being seen through it before just to end up trapped, or flat out revealing to Elias that he's no longer immortal BEFORE we have him cornered, and Neirelle just falling straight into the pipeline that Mephisto set up without a single bit of forethought for what the hell she's doing. Now she's out there, missing a fucking arm and what seems to be half her brain and all the while under the constant influence of Hatred. Just the ending cutscene alone shows how stupid whatever she's planning is, she collapses, and if she'd even pricked herself with an edge of that stone, she'd be possessed, and that would be it.
And all the while my character is just like 'eh, whatever, was just keeping the balance as a necromancer, yknow, by blindly killing the one being that constantly made it clear she wanted to protect Sanctuary and saving the life of a Prime Evil and breaking him out of his imprisonment, all in a day's work'
Can we talk about the red portal Neyrelle went through after absorbing Mephisto into the soul stone? It's the same red portal that Mephisto had been opening for us the whole game...
Bro he’s still able to project his essence as the wolf even though his essence is supposed to be trapped in the stone. Figure that one out.
“Oh no you trapped me in the stone which I you not to do. Ok. Here’s a portal home. Hope you had a good time at the Cathedral of Hate”.
Yeah am I the only one confused how Mephisto was trapped in the soulstone, yet still able to open a Portal for Neyrelle, without either Neyrelle or the Wanderer wondering who the in the hell opened the Portal if Mephisto was supposed to be trapped. Do people just randomly step through Portals without asking questions?
I don't know if Mephisto planned all of this, but it definitely seems that these "coincidences" are definitely helping him. We even see his influence spreading through the fields of hatred.
Diablo, watching events play out and the lore unfolding, "See? This is why I terrorize/burn people."
The occasional Tristram theme strings are really make the music epic.
Random one-handed girl, leaves everyone who is stronger or more informed than herself, to deal alone with one of the greatest evils... how can she think so much about herself? Why is she written that way?
Forget her, she'll become a vessel of Mephisto
Strong independent woman needs no horadrim.
How many of us thought we knew shit when we were her age?
@@Amplifymagic stunning and brave
@@rosenrot234 so the driving force of the story that she is a stupid teenager?
Several things:
1 - I am not sure we are going after Nyrelle so soon, especially not West, because the World Map has a very large section to the South of undiscovered land that seems the same size as each of the other 5 regions, making it seem like a placeholder for a future content release.
2 - I'm also not sure if we are going to go after Nyrelle at all within Diablo 4, and that this might have just been a setup for another Diablo game OR setting up Diablo 5. If we look at how they plan WoW, many expansions and content are kinda hinted several years in advance, as they set lore and stories that might be used later.
3 - As for what's next, we will have to handle Church of Light pretty much coming after us and Lorath; there is the Cult of Lilith (or is it Hatred now?) that has revealed itself; there is Lorath deal with the Whispering Tree that we will probably going to try and find a way to save him; we have no idea what made Tyrael so afraid that he ran away; there is Caldeum being nothing more than a burning wreck; also, if Mephisto is reforming, then Baal and Diablo should also be reforming themselves, so I assume that we are bound to start engaging with them or their emissaries soon;
I would say that there are so many different problems in the world that will require our focus before going after Nyrelle, especially because both the Wanderer and Lorath agree not to go after her, to respect her decision for the time being.
It's actually very refreshing the way Blizz handled this game, there are so many different possibilities from where the story can continue, and since they have admited that seasons will also bring additional story content (they did not say if it was for every season or just some) and they will definitely release atleast 1 expansion.
We already know there will be 2 expansions devs confirmed that. 1 to 2 years likely between those expansions. If they follow previous expansions thats 4 potential new classes for D4. With 2 whole expansions to complete, we will definitely see this story through to its conclusion. They are not going to run the neyrelle story into an entirely new title in the series. Theyve never done that before in diablo and I dont see them doing that now.
Not to mention the little detail people seem to have missed. Neyrelle burned a book in the Horadrim library. If you looked at it before it references Tyriels travels with the horadrim. She clearly was trying to cover her tracks. She is going in search of Tyriel. So in either the first or second expansion that thread will be pulled.
Damn I need to get my hands on those books!
diablo story is just like ash on journey to catch legendary pokemon
At several points during the story I thought "no, you're not going to do that, it's clearly not the best option" and yet, our brave heroes with suicidal tendencies jumped off the cliff without a parachute. But, I'd rather believe they were under the influence of hate (Meph) from the start than accept their sheer stupidity. Mama Lilith, despite her twisted "love", throughout history it was clear that she was the best option.
In this story, utterly devoid of good, it doesn't matter what you choose. Inarius, selfishly thinks he is the savior of sanctuary. Lilith, selfishly wants to use the denizens of sanctuary to rule, herself. The wander, and Horadrim, selfishly want to guide their own path, as blind as they collectively are. The common denominator, is they are all utterly selfish. Though the wanderer, marginally less so. This is about as godless a world as I can imagine. everyone vies to be god over themselves and others, and no one is there to say what is right.
I was actually a lottle bummed that Neyrelle just took off after the campaign. I feel like there was a bit of a missed opportunity there.
To me it just felt like I was playing an incomplete game. 'The beta test ends here' kind of feel. I payed 70 euros for half a game in terms of story...
I was just like "this dumb cunt really ran off alone with a goddamn prime evil in a soulstone. Guess shes never played d2"
@@1alexloch Seems pretty obvious to me that they had intended to finish it in the DLC. Maybe both of them, or maybe the second will be more separate to this plot.
i would love to see from you full story video in Diablo 4
plot twist: She convinces Mephisto to see the light
That would be interesting if done right.
Carrying a Prime Evil in a soulstone, arrogantly/foolishly thinking you can resist it. We all know how well that already ended...
I enjoyed the campaign but it really felt like merely a chapter of a long stretch of a book.
Diablo 3 in comparison had a much more grand and climactic final act to close off the campaign.
Bet you my left gonad blizzard releases 5 expansions worth 40$ each to continue the story
@@wangusbeef86 same things many other companies do.
Destiny 2 etc so quit complaining. You dont like it dont fkin buy it. I dont likr 28$ skins so i dont buy them
Easy o.O but some people just have to complain and whine
@@czechultimatestyle Hate to accusse you of being an NPC but you're litterally just saying shut up and consoom product. You deserve all the garbage these companies give you.
@@czechultimatestyle bruh have you seen the price of the game, it damn well better have more than a chapter lol
@@Bombay.Badboy oh i have seen the price bruh i bought the 100$ version ;)
I just hope there will be more content,id like to fight mephisto again
Damn your voice perfect for that type of content
Rathma's prophecy Inarius arrogantly and incorrectly assumed was about him was actually the Soulstone (spear of Light) to pierce Hatred's heart (Mehpisto's essence)....interpretation is crazy!!
I'm not sure that's it. I thought it was inarius's spear piercing him from Lilith as he had a hatred of sanctuary and humanity by this time.
omg that OG D2 strum of guitarrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The plot of the hero getting possessed is used so much that Dom toretto's unbreakable family feels like a breath of fresh air
Diablo and Mephisto are by far the most ingenius schemers in Diablo. Diablo managing to become the prime evil starting his plan all the way in the first game. And Mephisto sending Lazarus to Tristam to free Diablo and then him, as well as him now manipulating the heroes to set him free into sanctuary once again. I hope we see more of Baal as a master manipulator in the future.
Man I hope this is a giant story that serves as an epic tale on how, once again, Diablo will walk the earth and we will have to stop him- or worse, stop a Diablo backed by Mephisto.
I do believe Mephisto was using us so he can get out of Lilith’s grasp, and eventually do as he pleases alongside Baal and Diablo if they haven’t split already. Unfortunately, if not for Mephisto, then we’d be trapped in that sightless eye permanently, and Lilith might succeed in turning the rest of humanity into mad ones with “strength to oppose the might of the burning hells.”
well, Lilith is the only one, who humans can have a deal with. And not by brute force, but she still sees us as their child. Would many die? yes. But would all humanity die eventually by the hands of the Prime Evils? Obviously. Like, for Lilith, we could say: sure, we help you to become the prime evil, but then let Sanctuary alone forever from now on, and this applies to all demons. She would say, fine.
While as Mephisto, he would have a masterplan to trick us and betray us as soon as possible.
@ Maybe. But let’s not forget Lilith also wanted the eternal conflict to end in her victory. In honesty to me, it is a dilemma whether to reason with Lilith, or stop her.
@@christopherzirkel1792 and who cares, who win as long as they let Sanctuary and its habitants alone forever. And the only one, would do that, is clearly Lilith
@No, she wouldn't. She does care about humanity in as much the same as an abusive parent would be. Why do you think her own son, Rathma, defied her during the sin war? She may want humanity and sanctuary to survive but "in her shadow" AKA under her control. If that isn't slavery, I don't know what is.
@@mariopacudan5889 Rathma saw and learned to talk with Trag Oul, and believed in the balance, thats why refused to take side.
And still Lilith is the only non-mortal being, who want to keep humanity and sanctuary alive openly. Angels? Maybe a handful, but scared of Imperius, and the only one alive, who dispobeyed to him is(was) Tyrael, who became mortal. Hell? I dont think so. So humanity could be wiped out by Heaven and Hell anytime, unless Lilith stops them. Living in the shadow or dying, which one is better? Also, those, who left alive in Sanctuary would be awaken Nephalem at that point, could beat the sh!t easily from all demons, even Prime Evil Lilith, if she would'nt behave.
Unrelated but... I would really like to know what happened to Zoltun Kulle. Also to the D3 nephalem which must be some of the most powerful beings to ever exist, considering they defeated Diablo empowered by the Black Soulstone with all the souls of the other evils + killed the angel of death Malthael.
We kinda just left Zoltun Kulle's corpse to rot in his own library that just keeps getting more buried in sand if I remember correctly... Aaand I'm betting that they've already written off the D3 nephalem as "died of mortal disease" for simplicity sake... since we don't even have a hard confirmation to their canon names yet
@@rustyrusto1899 Well, there is Johanna which was the D3 female crusader which is confirmed deceased thanks to a quest involving a zakarum apprentice trying to recover their masters armour from a swamp fortress to take on their name. Her master happens to be a crusader named Johanna, implying that she was the D3 nephalem, or her apprentice.
Personally I wouldn't think this deceased Johanna is the D3 crusader. It'd be really weird for a super powerful heroine to die randomly in a swamp trying to recover an ancient temple or something, so I bet it's her apprentice. Which would mean D3 Johanna was long dead...
Just wish they wrote Inarius better.
I know right!! He was just "the dumb male", just a stepping stone for the strong female lead. 0 depth or originality!
The fact the the option was taken from us to side with Mother Lilith was quite disappointing. I kept thinking to myself "NO, Thats not what i wanna say!" "NO, That's not what i wanna do". Evil as she is, and manipulative towards the humans she has come across can be understood. either they rejected her, or they didn't understand what she was trying to do. She even said Elias didn't understand. He though she was the answer to everything. She freely admitted she was not the answer, but that WE were. A human must lead the flock of humans.
Lilith DID care about us as a whole, just not individuals that rejected her or were too weak to stand for themselves. Lilith sought to close off Sanctuary from Heaven and Hell to prevent the Eternal Conflict from destroying her creation. The conversation with Inarius was very Relatable. She was asking why he would kill their own son and why he is trying to destroy sanctuary. She killed him for his actions. Lilith does love us. She Loved Rathma. She killed many angels and demons alike to protect us when they were discussing what to do with us. She did not fear nor was she ashamed of the power of the Nephilim. Sure, She saw it as a useful means to end the Eternal Conflict, And without Inarius's interference we could have. There are only 2 Devine beings that are on Humanity's Side. Tyreal and Lilith.
The Eternal Conflict began when Anu Cast Evil out. If you think about it, The reason why Humanity is so powerful is because we are those 2 sides rejoined. Humanity IS the awnser because we are the closest thing to Anu. There can be no Evil without Good, nor can there be Good without Evil. Humanity is the balance of nature where these 2 aspects are combined. Humanity is the Way the universe corrects itself. I believe Lilith knows this.
I firmly believe that we will Summon Lilith back to Sanctuary in the future. Considering the choice was taken from us initially, this was to movre the story. I believe that Blizzard has more plans for her in the future.
seek therapy
Man I hope Mommy Lilith comes back Imagine we res her and she’s got the whole thanos line “ You could not live with your failure where did that bring you back me” seriously hate they rob us of the choice did you see her hand extended to us before she dies, interesting… also what bout her blood in us? So many questions
@@awakenedtarot7306 you seek therapy if you think anything he spoke is wrong.
How the hell did she think she can bind the Lord of Hatred within her? She probably didn"t hear about Sankekur. Or Tal Rasha. Or the Dark Wanderer. Or Albrecht.
2:14 also if he is imprisoned in the soul stone why and how dose he manage to open a portal and show up in his wolf form? Dosnt sound like that great a prison if the inmates and still wander about freely?
Some 4chan poster made a WTF theory. Basically Mephisto absorbed Nerelle. Used a powerful angel as a seed depositor. Then used hocus pocus to give birth to Diablo and Baal basing on Rathmas prophecy. The crazy detail is that the angel being used as the unwilling stallion would be either Imperius (bec. He was weakned by Diablo fight still not recovering) or Ithareal as the angel of fate making the fated prophecy come to fruition. Thus, making a stronger version of Diablo and Baal than before as it's an angels power and seed like the early Nephaliem.
Few of us in my guild that have been playing D4 dont think Inarius is dead. She kind of did a forced Tyrael on him with corrupting his wings. While I think he may be dead i also somewhat think he is gonna come back mortal and pissed off at humanity and hunt down Nyrelle to get back at Mephisto the prime evil of hatred.
Angels can die in Diablo but their essence will return to the Crystal Arch which will reform into a new angel, representing the same aspect. I think what Tyrael did was special (and makes little sense), he renounced the power of an Angel at the Crystal Arch and for some reason became a human (but Angels predate humans so how can the "evolve" to this form when it comes from the union of Angel and Demon?). Perhaps Tyrael accepted some sort of evil unto himself by renouncing his wings and as such turned into a human which is a union of good and evil? Anyhow i do not think Inarius went through the same process since Inarius is more of the angels angel, he thinks he is good, righteous, flawless, much like Imperius i do not think Inarius sees any real value to humans and he would never accept becoming one. Someone who quite possibly is alive though is Lilith. Demons do not die in Diablo they simply reform in the Burning Hells much like Mephisto was doing in his orb of blood. Maybe this does not apply to Lilith since she has been shunned by the forces of Hell and therefor cannot reform again simply becoming a part of Mephisto after being destroyed since he created her.
It was expected to end in an open ended way, but it was never so obvious.
I think the blue going up her arm in the cinematic was mephisto. I think he passed theough the soul stone and she is already lost.
The opening line of the game is Lorath telling you that this is the story of how the Horradrim met their downfall, nothing good will come of it
I heard it as the story of sanctuary creaters downfall.
I know he said the horradrim was a husk of its former glory then refers to lillith and inarius.
this makes sense since Mephisto shows the wanderer old memories of old Tristram and Arreat
I don't care what they do, just bring Rathma back. I'm sorry, we did not go 20+ years wanting to see him and Trag Oul, just to find out he died before a cutscene. Elias makes it known that Rathma had mastered the art of Immortality, and we have known what a novice Nephilim can do ... Now imagine the power Rathma has. Just, bring him back.
I think, Trag Oul was the snake which led us to the speaking tree.
@ Honestly, that was a theory I had too. Either that, or a remnant of Rathma.
@@fablefortitude5760 the snake symbol was same there in that area, like what was at Rathmas sanctum(where we got Elias' finger), if im not mistaken, so either one or another, but there is 100% connection
@ Well. In the lore, Rathma had a connection to the Serpent. Trag was often described as a Dragon and a Serpent. So, it could go either way.
@@fablefortitude5760 also, in many human mythologies, dragons are snakelike creatures, not really "winged dinosaurs" so i wouldnt be surprised if Trag Oul is more of a snake, than a european image of dragon being. Which is clearly disappointing, tho it would fitting the role of the "world snake", like Yormungandr in Viking mythology
I mean, as soon as she captured him, I was pissed off that the player character was dumb enough to not question how she was able to open a freakin' Hell portal. Like, I was immediately like, "Hey, wait a minute, that isn't right."
Dash, could you make a video about the Secret Post-Credits Scene in Diablo 4? There is a demon figure for a few seconds.
So what is Neyrelle's plan? I think she's the next dark wanderer. I hope we get to kill her next instalment.
noice
It is basically D2 now. Just...worse in every aspect other than graphics.
Oh hell yeah
11:10 the brilliant soundtrack saying "In case you haven't noticed, shit just went full circle"
I just hope for one thing: Imperius as a Aspect of Wrath or something like that...
yes Imperious is overdue for a beatdown
Well the prophecy still has to be fulfilled, “ a spear of light piercing hatred’s heart”. I’m guessing we will see him come at the end of dlc 1
Oh btw, is that Taan mage at the end with boat, or is it one of monks from Ivgorod?
Imo it's kinda looks like Taan mage similar to Ormus from D2.
Wait, how do we know Neyrelle is headed for Mount Zavain? Did I miss something from the end game clip? lol
remember when mephisto showed us the hell shadow of tristram, i was just like, "oh cool, a little cookie there". at the end when the girl is sailing away i figured, hmm wonder where she's going, somewhere new. just occured to me, what if we see tristram and the western continent in future content
We never attuned the soulstone to Lillith. We attuned it to Hatred, even going to a place of power for Mephisto to do the attunement. If anything, the stone is more attuned to Him than Her.
That is, until you understand WHY she's his daughter.
Hint: She doesn't have a mother.
First Diablo game with no Diablo
It's alright, I still have my level 99 nova sorceress with sunder charm.
Is lillith really dead? I thought demons are supposed to respawn after some time
Yaerius had been keeping a low profile after the Sin War. Even lower than Malthael?
But im still wondering what happened to black soulstone and all prime evil captured within?😊
So monk next class confirmed
Old timua was right. She knew neyrelle was done the moment we asked timua to help us with ellias. She did help us but while doing so dooming neyrelle entirely.
"There are two kinds of people who come to see timua: those who run away from danger, or those who run toward it - whick kind are you i wonder?"
I was the antaganist. Thats the feeling i got from the ending.
weren't the flashes of all three prime evils, not just Mephisto's? My theory is that Neyrelle will be consumed by Mephisto's essence from the stone and will eventualy be served as a vessel to become Mephisto. After that, we might know what happens next if we consider what Mephisto did in D2 ... hopefuly :-)
Wonder if either Baal or Belial will come back later on?
something I just don't get about Lilith's death is how its stated in the lore that when a demon is killed they are always reborn in hell so why wouldn't Lilith return at some point? I don't recall there being any lore that says if a demon is killed in hell they are truly dead and gone so why do they seem to believe she is gone for good?
I think that's the only difference there; that she was killed in Hell, where all other instances of slain demons (that I know of) took place on Sanctuary (or Heaven, if we're including D3 lore)
@@kevinoneil5120 The problem with the idea of demon's dying in hell resulting in permanent death is in diablo 2 we kill diablo in hell and smash all three prime evil soulstones in hell which also effectively kills them and all three are perfectly fine right now and lets not forget the big deal they made with using the soulstone in diablo 4 to trap either lilith or mephisto instead of just killing them especially mephisto given how vulnerable he is during diablo 4 like why not just try to kill him if he is so weak right now and will die forever if killed in his sanctuary? Those reasons are why there should be NO reason lilith should not come back as of this point as there is literally no reason she should be gone forever given the existing lore and what has happened both in previous games and the current game.
No but I think then they can't get back to sanctuary without being summoned by some1 or other way like diablo essence in Leia. So ya probably Lilith will respawn in Hell but she won't have a way into Sanctuary without the key.
@@VSasseville9 Yeah that much is a much more likely situation then just thinking she is dead and never a threat again like they are making it out to be in the game.
So essentially Mephisto was in control even before we ended up in the cave? He made it ao Lillith would be summoned to Sanctuary to either summon her dad in or to be a vessel for him to return?
Mephisto kill wanderer horse to set the character on the path stopping Lilith and by that, bring him back in Sanctuary in soul stone form again.
Still good!
It seems like it would be too obvious for Neyrelle to fall victim to Mephisto… I hope it’s something more creative
I felt absolutely no attachment to Neyrelle in the story, she was a completely extra character in my opinion. And I can't help but feel like the ending was written as some contrived girl-boss thing where the young woman talks down to the old man about how he's fucked everything up, and it's time for the BRILLIANT YOUNG WOMAN to fix everything... when even she should know from having read all the Horadric history that everyone who fucks with a soulstone ends up being overtaken by the Prime Evils. I really hope they elaborate on it in future season passes or a full-blown expansion, because right now I can't get this certain taste out of my mouth regarding the ending.
Maybe I've grown allergic to modern Blizzard writing and that's why I am having this reaction, but I am just worried this was another 'woke' writer moment... and it always spells doom for any franchise when they inject modern politics into a fantasy game.
I kind of felt the same way. Like why? Why is she talking to him like he's a fool? Why does she know better? She lacks wisdom, experience, and maturity. But hey. Girl power. All those dumb men just needed a real hero to show them how it's done.
Nah the new story was boring. I personally loved d1,d2 and d2lod story. This felt empty and drawn out. Running back and forth for 3-4 lines of dialogue only to never really get any satisfaction.
@@Grayald Honestly? I think it's just arrogance on Neyrelles part. She was established to be somewhat of a know-it-all from the get go and she might belive that she can resist because she has read so much about the corrupting influence of the Primes. The same arc could have been done with a male character.
Now, if in the expansion she somehow does overcome Mephisto all by herself and she needs no men to aid her, then we can call bullshit. But if she trips over her own youthfull ego, as she should given the situation, and the player character and Lorath have to come and save her butt? That would actually be surprisingly un-woke.
I like to think this is not a “you go girl” thing, in the woke culture or something. It’s more about being too old and being too young. Young people always think they know everything, that they can change the world, etc. It is our nature after all, we are idealistic at that age. So Neyrelle is just that, a girl with big hopes thinking somehow is going to change the world, and in the other hand the old man knowing what comes next.
@@Grayald because, she is already under the influence of HATRED.
"On the other hand" lol. Savage
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