Hey everybody, thanks for watching this one I really hope you liked it. It was an important video for me and one I've wanted to work on for a while now. I have some exciting things coming up that I'm excited to share with you. If everything goes well, I have a fun video planned for next month and I am in the middle of working on a Halloween special which I can't wait to show you, it isa project that has me more excited than just about anything I have ever done with the channel before and I think it is going to be great. Anyways, thanks again, take care and I hope you are doing well.
On your comment of Comedy and Horror, there is the Exaggeration, where the normal is portrayed in a heightened way, like Asylum would be exaggerated as cruel and creepy place build on haunted grounds, where nobody cares if you are sane or ill, patients are scary monsters in human skins that roam around the corridors and "medical practice" is inhumane torture done by mad scientist and serial killers. Its kind of meant to be disturbing and dark, as that kind of imagery is scary and being locked in that kind of location would be scary to anyone. Not everything is trying to have some deeper message or idea. Some just want to make a film set in a extremely scary asylum.
Excellent work, I’m thrilled you mentioned Broughton hospital, as I’m from the area(just a little further up the mountain in Mitchell County) and had a family member who spent time in old Broughton before the renovation, and remember well the horror stories surrounding the places existence(both urban legend and actual mistreatment of patients). It’s incredibly refreshing to know that one of the best horror commentators on TH-cam is from my neck of the woods. You approach your subjects with empathy, humility, and humanity which can be sorely lacking in many facets of horror fandom. Great work as always.
I think an interesting follow up to this video could be the history of mental illness throughout horror instead of the institutions that deal with them. Love your work as always, and look forward to the Halloween video.
I have Bipolar and often get migraines. I once had a headache so bad, I had a family member drive me to the hospital. I told the intake receptionist my symptoms and medical history, and when I was called back, was put in the psychiatric ward, stripped of my possessions and clothes, and put under mental observation in a padded cell with no way to contact anyone. I was confused and still suffering an intense migraine, so when the nurse came in and asked me if I knew why I was here, I screamed through tears, "I just have a headache!" and they left me there for hours. It was only through intense advocacy of my family member that I was released. I never did see a physician. The mental health field has come a long way, but it still needs a lot of improvement, especially when it comes to listening to patient self-advocacy.
I would like to help you. I don't know a dame thing about you but Autism is commonly misdiagnosed as by Bipolar disorder. Austic Brians are wired differently and can have exstramly bad reactions to meds the most common being mygrains and meds can also create the systems of bipolar disorder. The migranes will likely never go way as it a form of medicine indoused nerve damage. I know because this happened to me. You should look into your family history of developmentel disorders and get your meds lowered. If I'm right you should have an easy time. You may need to go off your meds under doctor chare for a few months as thy have withdraw system. But if I'm right you will live a much better life.
I have heard a lot of horrible stories similar to this. It still happens. In Sweden where I live there have been stories coming out of people dying in restraints that have been put on them against their will. Like you said there is still a lot of changes we need to fight for.
I was diagnosed w BPD in 2013. About 5 years ago, I was showing signs of MS but it wasn’t until last year when my legs went numb did I get any tests. Up til then, I just kept hearing that it was anxiety. Hope you’re well, friend.
@@Veestar88 I feel like bpd is one of the most misunderstood too. I am a bartender and I have a lot of regulars who have it, mostly women, and holy shit the stigmas they deal with.. it’s like just because someone has an abnormal reaction to something because of their mental illness doesn’t mean the underlying thing isn’t there. I have one girl who’s healing from a traumatic car incident who is constantly ignored and under treated because they assume she’s overreacting because of her bpd. But I’ve seen the symptoms from the car accident - they’re absolutely horrible. Loss of balance, loss of thought patterns, difficulty using her hands. It’s so fucked because as women were already often not taken seriously about our physical issues on top of it dealing with a stigmatised mental illness. Hell I have adhd and I’m often type cast as the quirky entertaining one or the one who rambles (I absolute do ramble though) and it’s invalidating as hell.
As someone who's been to a mental rehab center in the US as a patient, I can vouch for other people saying that the mental facilities are not what they could be. It was the bleakest most depressing place I've ever had the disprivilege of living
I'm 33,I went to a mental hospital 15 years ago. Your take is ambitious. Poor people have vastly different experiences with the medical field in general. It may not be the 1800s but you can be held against your will quite easily,stuck on a beauricratic nightmare,be force fed medication that a doctor youve barely spoken to prescribes. I don't think most media of this type is vilifying the patients,it villifies how people view the sick. How they have always viewed the sick. Art is imitating reality,not the other way around.
I really like youre comment... the only objection with it is, i dont think doctors are even able to pretend that they care that much, especially if the patient has insurance, ive heard so many horror stories from administered treatments that my worldview has been changed as a result..... im kinda skeptical of "doctors"
@@fattyjaybird7505 depends highly on which kind and for those kinds, what the context is - blindly lacking trust is very unwise and can be dangerous - not also being your own advocate is also dangerous, though.
I'll never forget the story that was told to me by a friend's mother. When she was institutionalized by her abusive stepmother as a teenager, she met a woman who had been placed there by her controlling husband all because she had wanted to return to work after having kids. She was highly intelligent and creative, a painter, and longed to be able to express herself once again. The husband would have none of it. Angered by her defiance, he authorized a full frontal lobotomy to be performed immediately. My friend's mom saw her again a couple weeks later, sitting next to a suitcase, waiting for her husband to take her home. Her eyes were lifeless, her spark was gone. Horrified, my friend's mom asked her how she was feeling. "Everything is trapped in here and I can't get it out". Not long after, the woman took her own life by stepping in front of a bus.
Frontal lobotomy was developed in the 1930s for the treatment of mental illness and to solve the pressing problem of overcrowding in mental institutions in an era when no other forms of effective treatment were available. The last recorded lobotomy in the United States was performed by Dr. Walter Freeman in 1967. In half a century's time, it may be that current treatment methods will be considered barbaric and unethical. Psychology it's a relatively new science, we can't change the past, all we can do is make sure that mental patients are treated better now and in the future.
Lobotomy makes me furious. It doesn't fix anything, and we should never regard it as a "solution". It doesn't change anything for the patient. It silences it for the interests of others so they won't have to be "bothered" by it. You're still aware of your problems but you can no longer express that. It's like being a conscious silent ghost trying to communicate with a world of living breathing people.
I've been in a mental hospital twice and while it's not what the movies say it is, I wouldn't say it's a "helpful" facility. It's more an extension of the prison industrial complex. They do not treat us like humans and the place is usually not up to board with cleanliness. These places are bad, but not as bad as they used to be, but they need some serious updating...
The Army and VA ones I went to were super clean. And we could sleep whenever we wanted to. But the drugs were evil and they blacked out the windows and hung photos of natural scenery which seemed like a sick joke. It was mind numbingly boring though
I left this very same comment. That his take on me talking health facilities is ambitions. No it's not the 1800s but it can certainly be a bureaucratic nightmare and you really hit the nail on the head with extention of the prison industrial complex.
I think Bobby Kennedy's concern for the children's wellbeing was because of the type of facility his older sister was kept in. Rosemary Kennedy's story is so sad, and he had learned of her location a few years prior to his visit to Willowbrook.
Every person i've ever known to get treatment in a psyche ward has described it to me as a prison. My partner got her identity stolen by one of the employees during her stay and almost got arrested. I don't think things have progressed as much as you're implying here.
That's another issue. People talk and talk about their success with this medication or that medication... But for the people it fails, they wind up jailed, institutionalized, or commit suicide. Everything sounds like it works, when those it doesn't work for are locked away, or dead.
It really depends where you live imo. I live in FL and our mental wards aren’t great but they’re not the worst. I unfortunately know a lot of people who have been baker acted, or what we call involuntary held. And in my experience for the most part most people view the experience as feeling like a prison and it sucked but also are thankful for the experience because they said it saved their lives. But I do also know people who have been fuckdd over and wrongly baker acted. One woman who was an adult, definitely struggling with mental health but not suicidal nor homicidal. She got into an argument with her grandparents, whom she was living with at the ti me, they found out she had an abortion which they were extremely against, and in retaliation they got her baker acted. The cops believed the grandparents over my friend because by the time they got there she was very overly stressed / angry / crying and they believed the old calm hateful people over the angry crying woman. I also know a woman who like unsane was talking to hef therapist and accidentally slipped up snd said she had suicidal thoughts. Well therapist took that the wrong way and baker acted her. I remember her coming to my work a few days later just walking up to my quietly saying “I got grippy socked”. I guess what I’m saying is while there is still large room for improvement i think the fear of being locked in there forever and the fear of having a lobotomy is far far worse than the fear of being wrongly held or held for a week instead of 3 days. Yes it’s still rough and yes it need improvement like yesterday but it’s no comparison to the hell people faced in the 50s
@@Nuhbuddys nothing works for everyone, but the fact that some people are helped is a giant improvement. Imo more research and accessibility is necessary. Like why is it so hard to find cognitive behavioural therapists? It is the leading field of psychology and yet we are stuck with generic talk therapists some old enough to be trained with outdated practices? Also accessibility. You know who isn’t gonna have the motivation to dig through their insurance providers website or only websites to check insurance to see which doctor takes your insurance? Mentally ill people. Or who isn’t gonna see if there are any discount or public funded therapists in their area because they aren’t well known. It should be as easy as walking into any centralised clinic meeting with someone for immediate therapy
Yeah, while it definitely isn't like how it is in the movies or shitty horror videogames anymore I've had both decent and godawful experiences in a mental hospital. Granted I get that if I just need a place to be stabilized for a few days while my doctors figure out meds, what's going on etc. I don't have to stay in a luxurious hotel with butlers standing near my bathroom waiting for me needing toilet paper to wipe my ass. I also understand that people are people and get frustrated, pissed off, and burnt out, especially if you constantly have to deal with clients who for some reason don't want to improve themselves yet the mental health facilities continue to coddle them (probably cause of insurance reasons) and you have no control over it. However while there are places I've been to where at worst I was just bored out of my mind but the nurses at the very least were trying their best, there were others where I was gaslit, mentally and emotionally abused, traumatized, forcefed pills I didn't really need and knew were just fucking my body up but they didn't care because it meant they didn't had to deal with me, and even had things stolen from me and psychs who straight up told me they didn't give a fuck if I went and tried to kill myself. The last one I legitimately had a doctor tell that to me with a straight face and just being so goddamn exhausted with dealing with the system after so long I just said "OK" with no emotion whatsoever and went ahead and tried to hang myself pretty much in my room moments later. Yeah it most likely probably wouldn't have worked but at that point I was just so fucking tired and didn't care anymore and you would think at the very least people could do in their profession is just not be an asshole to people suffering from shit they didn't want or even asked for. But that's a lot to ask in some places I ended up in. If anyone wants a silver lining however I still have issues but shit is nowhere near as bad as it was years ago after I found a doctor who actually said I had DID and has made some of my shit manageable and am now living on my own after living in group homes for a while. And they did actually fire that doctor after that but that's still something no one should seriously have to go through in this day and age. TL;DR Sure they don't do lobotomies and shit anymore, but it depends which hospital you end up in for a lot of people with chronic issues like mine. Most of the time it fucking sucked cause people are still fucking clueless pricks about mental illness.
I was a patient, and my experience, and my grandparents (Clinical psychologists and Psychiatrist from 70's-2000's) have attested that their has been great change and dis-investment during thi time.
This was done well but I have to disagree with how far we have come. As someone who works in mental health in hospitals, nursing homes and disability homes I can guarantee you that a lot of inhumane stuff does go on and for long periods of time and not much can be done about it. Things aren’t as extreme in some ways as they used to be but.. too much to say.
It seems like this is just a case of this creator perhaps having a very limited personal perspective on the subject- And there's nothing about Regan's destructive part historically in the mental health crisis which really says it all. Many of these folks were released with no resources and have lived short, rough lives that have caused themselves and others great societal pain with no end in sight. I also truly despise the horribly low bar being utilized to make a point that isn't even true in modern society. It's just happening more covertly through toxic people in power with no understanding or interest in long term benefits that would humanize or genuinely help. Society can and absolutely needs to do better and not rest on these lazy laurels just because the abuse isn't as "overt" anymore. I do want to make a point that I deeply appreciate this channel and it's usually rich content, not to mention the time and effort that goes into this content. I have returned to many of their videos and have found many great resources to enjoy from various references made in other videos, but the lack of honest understanding on some of these extremely crucial points was quite a let down for me as well.
As someone who’s been an inpatient at several different mental health facilities, I have to disagree with you. My experience and your experience in this matter is entirely subjective and colored by our circumstances and surroundings of course, but it feels like you’re misinterpreting what he was saying about the improvements made. He never said that the things you mentioned aren’t issues, but it’s intellectually dishonest to claim that we haven’t come a long way. Him saying that doesn’t mean that we don’t still have a lot of work to do, but I for one at extremely grateful that I wasn’t in-patient in a not-so-distant time that could’ve left me permanently brain damaged for the mental health struggles I’ve gone through. Many of the things you’ve mentioned are directly the result of a corrupt and corporate driven society that over works and underpays the people who take care of the mentally ill. That fault is something that’s tied to capitalism and also must be improved, but I for one know that it’s still far better than what we had 40 years ago.
@@beanwaddlers I have been a mental health patient and worked in mental health. I also worked almost 20 years in health care ie mainly hospitals. I don’t know what country you’re in but mental health and health care workers are paid very well here in Australia. People are this way because it’s an abuse of power or not being able to empathise without experience as a patient. Also a lot of mental health is connected to physical ailments that haven’t been discovered like in my case which was neurological and genetic and this is something I had to work out and spend a lot of money getting blood work and still gaslit by the medical field . Let’s just agree to disagree
@@beanwaddlers I fully agree (I'm in the US and was put into a mental health facility after an attempt to take my life.). After a week I was moved to another facility with more freedom (since I hadn't shown signs of suicidal ideation and wasn't deemed a drug or flight risk -- it was also a post-acute rehab center) I was allowed to sign out for an hour a day and go for a walk--generally I would go buy myself some juice and candy to share with the other inmates. There were group therapy sessions, nature walks, yoga classes and house meetings, and you could choose two people from outside to visit, allowed any time between 10AM and 8 PM. House meetings began with a meeting of patients' rights, which were developed with the help of the person after whom the facility was name, a former patient called Jay Mahler, who had said “I’ve spent 58 years in the public mental health system-10 years surviving it and 48 trying to change it.” Modern mental patients owe a lot to his activism. While there are cruel and incompetent people in all positions of power (andthe video acknowledges this), the American system, particularly in the State of California (which went from the sort of place on which One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was based, and Jay Mahler's personal stories from 1960's mental health care have a lot of overlap with Ken Kesey's fictionalized experiences, followed by then-Governor Ronald Reagan touring some facilities and sending home many patients without providing adequate, if any support for them on the outside.) is vastly improved from what it was in Bedlam or The Snake Pit or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and its disingenuous that others have claimed that there are no improvements just because there is still work to be done
The Willowbrook footage from inside the facility is genuinely shocking; I remember seeing some of it in the Cropsey documentary from a few years ago. It's difficult to believe that barely fifty years ago children were being treated like that. Not criminals, not adults, just innocent children, left with no real help or aide in their own filth. Genuinely shocking.
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@@guy-sl3kr They don't imply that they don't care about them, but let's be honest they are somewhat emphasizing the fact that children were treated in this way, when it should be enough that just adults who are presumably normal people were victims as well.
@@bobtheball5384 Because children are uniquely helpless, ignorant, harmless, and young. Little kids aren't going to put up much of a fight when they're abused, if they even recognize they're being abused at all. I don't think that bringing attention to the maltreatment of children downplays the maltreatment of everyone else. The harm is just especially shocking and unjustifiable when done to kids.
I agree with some of your points on medication, and I do appreciate your nuance on the topic. However, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that medication should be a "last resort." I personally definitely wish I hadn't waited until my absolute breaking point to try medication. I think I could have avoided additional trauma.
I think by last resort he means when other methods alone aren't enough, not waiting till your breaking point! That's how I saw it :) more as in medication shouldn't be the immediate first action before other methods have been attempted/tried or at least considered fully,- I totally agree medication is a life saver for people including myself and there's an anti med stigma "unnatural" "drugging yourself" etc But I think he didn't mean it like that, and it's more that many many people are overprescribed, over treated, wrongly medicated etc especially in America :( and the treatment of mentally ill people in asylums with heavy unnecessary sedatives and hypnotics to just "shut them up" is very thematic and relevant in this video so I think that's the message here, of course don't wait till you're at breaking point
@@beththegreen it's less his intention and more how it came across, to me. I had the mentality of "medication is a last resort" for a long time and it was very negative to my overall health. That's why I felt compelled to leave a comment about the potential dangers of this mindset.
I appreciate what you’re trying to say here, but as a medical professional I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that psychiatric facilities are not (at all) like they are depicted in the movies. Although Girl Interrupted takes place in, I think, the 60s; it is actually far better than a lot of facilities today. I’m not sure if you’ve actually been inside a modern psychiatric facility in North America or Western Europe but they’re not that great. Only voluntary patients can leave against medical advice and, went to court ordered, a person really can’t leave when they want to at all. They can also be forced to take medications and have treatments that they have been ordered to do. And some of these medications can be given via injection. Court ordered antipsychotics and sedatives during an outburst, for example. Under medical orders, people can be isolated and restrained. ECT (electro convulsive therapy aka electroshock therapy) is still a thing, although usually only used as a last resort in severe depression. Whether psychiatric patient care is done in a refurbished beautiful old Victorian building or in a post-modern block building (there are plenty of hospitals in Western Europe that are not in modern buildings) and given names like “shady pines“ et cetera; The state of psychiatric care today is still a bit horrifying and a bit bleak and really rather prison like. Not Arkham asylum and not like the horrible places where many unfortunate mentally disabled people were dumped up until the 1970s. But nowhere near as nice as the one in Girl Interrupted. In the United States, The poor rarely get to go to a “shady pines“. It’s not pretty. And for those inside against their will with serious psychotic illnesses, it can truly be nightmarish.
I 100% agree with this but I have to ask, what do you think is the solution in an life threatening situation? I of course acknowledge better mental health access, education, affordability, is the best prevention but what do you propose is done if a loved one is suicidal, like actually suicidal not suicidal ideation. It’s a horrible situation to be in and I completely understand how awful it is to be involuntarily kept beyond your will but also should we not as a society try to help people who are attempting their life?
I was going to add my own experience, a very lengthy reply. Accidentally deleted it though. And suffice to say that I triggered some trauma flashbacks from my time in the hospital, and I would rather not get stuck trauma dumping on your comment. Thank you for bringing this up, and as someone who's been threatened with indefinite inpatient during an episode and was stuck there for just under 2 weeks, I was crawling the walls to get out by the time I finally did. the only reason i was released was because my insurance denied the extended time. they don't care about you, they care about what your insurance will pay for. I will say though, that the movie girl interrupted did get some things right, like the camaraderie you feel with your fellow inpatients. I miss the friends I made, I don't miss the facility. I don't miss being treated like I was a 5 year old who couldn't be trusted because of their psychosis.
In the Netherlands (where I'm from and have experienced stays in crisis and longterm psychiatric facilities) it's the same. I have fortunately never experienced an involuntary admission, but I know people who have. You do get forced to have injections, and you do get put in isolation, and if the state orders you to be unfit to make decisions for your own safety, you almost have no practical rights. If you want to leave when you are voluntarily admitted you usually do still need a yes from a doctor, and they are allowed to do a screening and make your stay involuntary. You can also be deemed "not curable" (not any actual medical terms) which will keep you from getting any further help because you have not showed enough progress or have recuring episodes over long periods of times. I know there is more nuance in these issues but these are the outcomes some people have to deal with. Administration is also almost never up to an actual usable standard. Things get lost and a lot of mistakes get made which is mostly because of lack of funding, manpower and general chaos under staff and company issues. Which for me made it hard to reclaim medical records when needed, or to on an insurrance level get things right and sorted. So many of my fellow patients got sent home because of insurance not willing to pay, or because they out staid the amount of time that they had planned for them. Eventhough they still needed help. I will say that most people I've met are actually there to help, and see you thrive. The staff working on the floor and with the patients are mostly extremely nice and try and make your time there less traumatic than could be. But fundementaly there is still a lot to change for the better. (Sorry if my spellings bad)
@@briannawaldorf8485 to be honest I believe in bodily autonomy and if someone wants to end their life, they should have that basic human right. Even family. I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is how I feel. No one should be forced to live or die.
I was just getting ready to say the same thing. I, PERSONALLY, have been held against my will, twice. N I've definitely seen people tackled with syringes.
Another film that beautifully and heartbreakingly speaks to the same sentiments is "Tarnation", a documentary about an eccentric, creative, and - initially - perfectly sane woman whose parents, overwhelmed by her energy, have her committed in the 1970's. Directed by her son in a very raw visual style, it includes conversations with both his mother and her parents. It's a wonderful and equally disturbing indictment of the mental health industrial complex.
As someone who lives in north-western North Carolina I have heard horror stories about Broughton hospital. People would often use it as a joke, "Maybe they'd pay me to send you to Broughtons" and comments like that. I heard stuff like that growing up all the time because asylums, in general, have such negative connotations. People know the horrors that take place in those places but we turn a blind eye to them and that is the true horror. When good people do nothing, that's true terror.
I grew up in Mitchell county and heard similar things. “I should take you to Broughton!” people would often joke. I’ve actually had a few friends who sought treatment there as well.
Back when I taught English to university students in Istanbul Turkey, there was a similar joke teachers would use about their infamous psychiatric hospital/prison called Bakirkoy. Whenever you felt that a student was acting "crazy", you mimicked picking up a phone, dialing it, and saying...."Hello, Bakirkoy Psychiatric Department for the Criminally Insane? Yeah...I have another for you! Please, come take it quickly!"
I grew up in Alexander and lived in Catawba county for years too. My friends parents worked there but I never knew much more than that about it. I do also remember the jokes and urban legend type stories that people shared though
Yeah, I feel like this glosses over/fails to highlight that the cause of mass de-institutionalization was due almost largely to severe budget cuts to government funded health programs, thanks Reagan, and the very negative impact that happened as a result. Facilities have not improved because funding is still not really there, and what happens when institutions get caught is that institutions learn better how to hide.
Yeah, but you see that would have required better research and broken his bias in this video so he didn't say anything on the topic. The hell happened to this guy? I used to love his videos but recently his takes are starting to feel like he's just pulling them straight out of the third ass chamber.
Reagan emptying the asylums was one of the worst things this country has ever done. People who are genuinely mentally ill to the degree that they need to be institutionalized don't need to be out in "normal" society, for lack of knowing a better term. It's not good for either party. Sick people need proper care, they don't need to be left to their own devices in an outside world that's not equipped to deal with their condition. It has done a number on Western civilization as a whole.
@John White They don't do that in mental hospitals either. Which you would know if you had ever been to one. Pretending to be homeless for social validation is pretty pathetic lmao
There is a pervasive and extremely deep running problem with all in-patient psychiatric treatment. Meaning the locked ward, whether you've ended up there voluntarily or not. It's the complete inability or unwillingness to scrutinies their methods and treatments to ensure that they in themselves don't cause reactions that can be confused with symptoms of mental health issues or amplify actual issues. [edit] to clarify: I have myself been admitted to a locked psychiatric ward almost two decades ago.
Hey, good news. In some parts of the country we're getting no-lock wards. One of my buddies visited one for a week during a manic episode. They really appreciated the fact they were allowed to leave at any time if they wanted. But you're super right. Being locked in is really damaging.
@@WillowRat which country? Yeah, I understand some people need to be locked in. But most do not. It is really damaging. Jail/prison feels like an animal cage. Like I have no rights. Feeling like you need to be locked up cause you’re crazy doesn’t help… all because I went to get get help myself… it made me feel worse
Ever since I was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 7, I have always been afraid of ending up in a mental hospital because of how they're depicted in movies, TV shows, etc. I hate how Hollywood always portrays schizophrenics as violent, murderous animals. It needs to stop. Thank you for making this video.
Exactly this Sylvia! Some of the sweetest, most gentle, non-judgemental and lovely people I have ever known in my life were also diagnosed as schizophrenic. The people who were horrible about that are apparently “normal.”
I have a history of depression and have been through short stays in an institution about 3 times…and honestly, there is more of a realism to these old tropes than the video seems to think…yes, the people who work at these places are certainly not overtly sadistic or anything. But “mental health” is hardly more advanced than it was. I’d been strapped down and injected with god knows what which knocked me out in seconds, I had a man follow me around much of the stay who kept pointing to “demons behind me”, and I received absolutely no bit of relief from my depression aside from the very down to earth, kind, people who were there as well and tbh MOST of the staff were generally nice people who spoke as equals. But none of the medication, “therapeutic exercises”, isolation, or any of that helped whatsoever. I’m happy to say the long clinical depression I struggled with has subsided a few years ago and I believe It started with relating to the other people I met in those places who were often very intelligent, very impressive people who might have intimidated me in the real world, but in that place, having meals and free time together, we got to have such deep and honest conversations and we were able to talk and listen to each other respectfully and that gave me a better understanding of myself and of people with “disorders” in general…I learned that this social stigma is only what we make it and yes some cases require medication and other things, but your humanity should never be in question and you should never ever accept being defined by some so-called mental health “illness” which is just another example of how poorly the language of psychology is to this very day. Just as people are unfairly cheapened when defined by what work they do, it’s even far more unfair to be defined by some aspect of our self that is made unnecessarily powerful because of a misguided attempt to help by those trained in a very primitive and underdeveloped “science” when compared to say, the far more capably diagnostic categories of fields such as the majority of the medical and natural sciences, which is also why psychiatric care is so ineffective when it comes to treatment. But there are outpatient treatments for forms of schizophrenia if it is interfering with your ability to live your life which can makes things more manageable without subjective yourself to the lack of rights and awful power dynamic very much in place to this day in the so called mental health system. Personally, I feel the entire field needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, including the very assumption of what the purpose of this field is. The DSM, aka the bible of psychology is updated every few years and lists all the current “disorders” and descriptions of the “sick”.
I seriously doubt you were diagnosed with Schizophrenia at 7. Schizophrenia very, VERY rarely is diagnosed during childhood. It doesn’t present until you’re at least a teenager. If you’re going to fake having a disorder, at least fucking get your facts straight.
Surprised you were diagnosed so young. Usually that does not happen till the person is in his/her 20’s. I am sorry you were diagnosed so young and that this diagnosis followed you and did not allow you to be who you are and not just a diagnosis.
You mention A Scanner Darkly as being part of the DID trope, but if anything that movie is more about psychosis related to drug use. Philip K. Dick was a heavy abuser of amphetamines and from my own past I instantly recognized a lot of the personality issues and side effects from extreme abuse of drugs.
I think Black Swan is also attempting to represent some sort of general psychosis rather than DID - maybe it was mentioned in the movie or an interview or something, and in that case, I'm wrong, but I honestly don't appreciate the entire point of Nina's inner conflict representing the dynamic between the black and white swan being described simply as a bad representation of DID. It's also worth mentioning that I don't see Nina as a host with an alter, the "black swan" side of her is not a whole other persona with their own traits, it's simply her dark side. There's so much to talk about with Black Swan, regarding losing one's grip on reality and being consumed by a passion, and yeah, again, I didn't like how it was just lumped into a montage of bad DID representation. Also, I always saw Gollum's "two personalities" as a representation of his inner conflict - maybe audiences did associate that part of his character with DID, and that's wrong if that's the case, but I personally never made the association. Again, it ties so much into Gollum's narrative throughout the movies that I don't think it's fair to include in a montage like that. These portrayals deserve to be discussed more in depth, in my opinion, maybe he should've made the list shorter and spent more time on each example? I just wasn't a fan of the implications throughout that segment.
Yeah, I didn't remember A Scanner Darkly being about DID at all, just drug use etc. I haven't watched it in a while but when he said that I was very confused lol. I never assumed there was anything other than drugs being a thing.
As someone who suffers from different mental illnesses and whose closest friends and family suffer mentally as well - several far worse than myself - I think that things have absolutely improved from the 70s... but not by much. Yes, you won't have understaffed filthy buildings with people in rags being eaten alive by parasites, but you still have the rooms of solitude with zero things to do. You still have doctors who will medicate you and, if the drug reacts badly, will absolutely refuse to remove you from it. My mother was on a mood stabilizer that only exacerbated her issues. She told her doctor it was making her worse and the doctor always told her "just give ot more time, you're overreacting." This went on for 6 months and only ended after a suicide attempt leading to her getting an emergency doctor's appointment on a day her regular doctor was unavailable - and this new doctor freaked out seeing my mother's state and immediately had her removed from the drug and had her transfered to another doctor. The previous physician, whose incompetence nearly led to my mother's death, was later given a promotion and still works in the field to this day. My best friend, at the age of 9, was going to be committed to a hospital where the patients have no internet or TV access (because it could "exacerbate patient's already poor mental health"), no access to art supplies or toys because they could be used for self harm, no access to books because "well, the patients may damage them," esentially leaving the patients in a bland empty room with a bed and a window and nothing else. He was going to be committed for **checks notes** having, then untreated, ADHD. He lied to the assessors as so not to be committed. My experience has never been nearly as horrifying; my experience was more of a disinterest from professionals. All throughout my childhood I displayed traits of severe bipolar disorder, depression, and social angsiety. In speaking to my school counsilers, they attributed all of my problems to being a little overweight. Yep. I don't excersise; excersise releases positive chemicals in your brain. Try out sports. Oh, you don't like sports, partially because you have severe anxiety (which I was just told)? Just do it anyway. It was that, or being patronized - being a middle schooler where councilors would play board games or use puppets like you're a child. Or facilities being nice to you on the phone when you call asking for help only to curtly and coldly tell you they can't help you before immediately hanging up the moment they learn they don't cover your insurance. It's taken me a long time to find doctors I trust, though I am still pretty cynical towards the institution as a whole. It's incredibly telling that, with the overturning of Roe v Wade, the people in power care more about the safety of *fetuses* than actual conscious people.
Growing up as a mentally ill teen, I was all too aware of how being too honest about my feelings with the wrong people could get me locked in a psych ward. In a way, that threat kept me safe but it was still using fear and the threat of force to control my behavior
There are certainly some takes in this video I don't agree with, but overall the video is an interesting dive into the trope of insane asylums in horror media. Very well put together overall.
That's the problem with almost of his videos, I'll be enjoying it for 40 mins then he'll make a really bizarre pop culture take that is very weird and completely takes me out of the video. Like his bit about medication being a last resort and Johnny Depp being evil, like I don't need your idiotic hot takes dude. Like in that one video where he says the protagonist of Shadows of the Damned has the most stereotypical Hispanic name possible when it's not EVEN a very stereotypical name AT ALL. This is why he'll always be a "ehh I'll watch that when I have nothing else left, rather then something I immediately have to watch.
@@eddietruett I'm glad I wasn't the only one who picked up on that. I completely agree, I'll find this guy's stuff fascinating, then he'll toss out a suckerpuch of a comment that takes me right out of the video. Something similar happened to me during the Nick Cage video, so I know it's not a one-off
There are few topics more terrifying than losing one's grip on reality; incarceration against ones wishes; not being believed; and altering your perception with medications. We can all relate to these fears, even those who have never had experience of the mental health system. That it can be necessary to face these fears in order to get real help makes it all the more terrifying and thematically rich for horror films. It's such a shame that the vast majority of asylum horror reduces this to "crazy people bad; doctors scary". Excellent video... watched it all in one go.
I appreciate the points he made about dehumanizing the mentally ill and making therapy seem scary but I think there’s more nuance to it than how it’s presented in this video. As a person who has been to two separate psych wards ( with the understanding that they very widely upon location) I can say that my experience was not a net positive. The entire process was dehumanizing, many of the staff was not compassionate (with the understanding they were probably overworked), I did not receive more than one visit with an actual doctor each time and only for about 15-30 min each time and the most each visit did for me was put in me a place in which I could not harm myself for a few days which is valuable but I came out of it traumatized. I have many friends who have had similar or worse experiences. On my first discharge a staff member said to me “stay out of these places”, which felt firstly kind of invalidating to my struggles and secondly a kind of admission that she knew is the ward sucked lol. I could expand on this forever but I just think there’s a lot more work that needs to be done and a lot of these places still are kind of horrifying
Also at least in America, if you are sent to a psychiatric facility against your will, either to prevent you from harming yourself or others, you are lead away in handcuffs. This did not happen to me only because the officer who took me broke protocol, I was most likely given this privilege because I am young, a cis woman, conventionally attractive and white. I was however, forced to ride in a cop car down the busiest street in the town I grew up in slouched in the back because the officer had left my window half down. I cannot imagine how I would have been treated if I posed any perceived threat to the police officer. I was lucky
I really hope he reads the comments from his followers who have been institutionalized in the last 3 decades. Its not net good. Therapy and outpatient treatment is extremely different and is often extremely helpful. I have been in and out of treatment for bipolar disorder for almost a decade. I have experienced many of the struggles of mental health care in America and inpatient treatment is by far the most lacking
I really hope he reads the comments from his followers who have been institutionalized in the last 3 decades. Its not net good. Therapy and outpatient treatment is extremely different and is often extremely helpful. I have been in and out of treatment for bipolar disorder for almost a decade. I have experienced many of the struggles of mental health care in America and inpatient treatment is by far the most lacking
@Chloe Lastname after disclosing suicidal ideation to a school counselor I was later on the same day led out from the middle of a class by cops and driven to the hospital in the back of a police car (all in front of my peers as a 7TH GRADER) unfortunately it's a common thread that you'll be treated as if you're a criminal in these situations
I can't even imagine how long it must have taken to research, watch all these films, write the script, edit, everything. What a massive undertaking, and accomplished so well. Thank you for all the work you did to put this together, it's extremely well done.
This December It’ll be four years since I had to be involuntarily admitted to a psychiatric institution and spent some weeks locked up there. Waking up tied, completely unaware of where (or when) you are has to be one of the scariest things that can happen to anyone. Add to that the confusion and haziness of the sedatives, a monstrous thirst and hangover and the pain on my wrists, raw flesh exposed from struggling so much when I was handcuffed. I remember I had grass, small pebbles and shards of glass stuck between my lower lip and gums that I had to push out of my mouth with my tongue, because I was restrained. Sleep came and went, and eventually I realized I was not in jail, but institutionalized and under medical supervision. Fuck, even today psychiatrics hospitals are scary. The one thing that was different from the movies were the caretakers. They were really nice and so, so SO calm. I don’t know if they’re just used to it all, completely jaded or super professional… it was my fellow internees at first who were a nightmare. Some threatened me and tried to fight, some tried to fondle me, some talk and keep talking and you just can’t make sense of what they’re trying to convey. Some stare, some avoided me, some screamed if I made accidental eye contact. As this video says, the initial impression is of shock, of fear, but you slowly realize that you are among people who are as confused and medicated as you, and that what you think, do, look or say may be as confusing, shocking or scary to them. Months after being released I had a hard time focusing. It seemed impossible to engage in long conversations. At the time, I was sure the damage was permanent. To date I surprise myself becoming irrationally upset, and small details, even pictures or hearing tones of voice and words that I associate with those times can trigger my discomfort. I am not always able to ignore it, it is always uncomfortable, but its becoming increasingly bearable and these events are becoming rarer. Nowadays? I feel sort of normal. A bit bored, but thankful, alive. I can’t guarantee that “it gets better” - life still sucks, but it is we who change, who eventually learn to deal more intelligently with all this bullshit.
@@theofficialvernetheturtley338 my situation is different from those in the United States... so I wouldn't say that media was harmful, but it did influence it a bit when I was younger. Not mad to see them used in horror - I am able to distinguish my entertainment from real life.
Moon Knight was actually much more supportive of DID with its delivery and conclusion. As a person with DID myself, I’ve come into contact with alters that I love like brothers and other alters that I outright suppress out of fear so seeing both sides of that coin in a story about DID is very comforting and more relatable for me. I myself really related to when Marc left his peaceful utopia to save Steven, because I have always found more comfort in hearing their voices beside me in difficult times… much like Steven and Marc.
I LOVED the way Moon Knight handled DID. I don't think I've ever seen it depicted in media as something that can be a positive and comforting experience. It was great to see Steven and Marc learn to love each other.
Moon Knight has had some mixed depictions in the comics, which is likely more what was coloring his sorta indirect comment on Moon Knight. I'd personally argue that even in the comics, Moon Knight is probably the best example of a character with mental health traumas in mainstream superhero media. some runs have been TERRIBLE about it, especially the awful Bendis/Maleev run. others, such as the Bemis/Burrows run have been far more sympathetic (and also brought his oft-overlooked Judaism to the forefront in a very earnest way). the current series has also been pretty understanding (from what I have read a few months ago, and recall). I say this as a long time fan of the character (though someone without DID) that it is definitely a checkered history. he is perhaps the most violent Marvel "hero" ever, though one could attribute much of that brutality to him being a former mercenary with a literal god breathing down his neck 24/7, telling him to do shit.
I agree entirely. Moon Knight depicts DID with kindness and you can tell the writers really worked with the director to not give the stereotypical, overwhelming depiction usually used in media. They obviously did their research.
I’m not actually sure that the primary image of therapy is this hospital idea. I think when you say ‘therapy’, most people think of sitting on a leather couch while someone with glasses and a framed degree scribbles down notes silently, before making a vaguely inspiring comment about some theme.
@Pandastical Yeah. People who are in that world today, patients & doctors alike (I've been a mental health patient for the last 14 yrs, & prior to that as a young child. The actual way the system works, still too often bares zero resemblance to what we see in films & TV. It's an antiquated representation, & needs to be updated to reflect the actual structure of the system.
I really love this channel and I tend to rewatch stuff on here fairly often. But I have to say, the weird personal takes on things are really distracting. Like the Johnny Depp comment really came out of nowhere and took me out of the video. I love the content and really do enjoy what you're doing but there's been a few videos where recently where you've made a completely bizarre comment and it's made me not want to watch the rest of the video. I'm a nobody at the end of the day and no one has to listen to me. I'm just saying, it's the only thing that's kind of putting me off this channel lately.
Idk, it seemed he was bringing up recent trend about the topic at hand that we would be aware of as the audience. This happens often in video essays, atleast the ones I watch. Edit: but I could see how it could bring people out of the video considering so many people seem to disagree with his point.
Two years ago I stayed at a psych ward briefly. Shortly after I watched Terminator 2 for the first time. I was jealous of Sarah Connor. She had a room to herself! I didn't get that, despite my psychiatrist telling the psych ward I needed one, despite the doctors in the ward understanding I needed one. How can people be expected to get better if they don't even have the most basic privacy? Who ever thought that two or more mentally disturbed strangers sharing a room would be a good idea? I didn't even have a curtain.
I have a love/hate relationship with this genre of horror. I was nearly put in one as a toddler and worked hard to be as independent as possible so I could live a normal life so I have this odd fear of being in a place like that. But I also can't help but be fascinated, because a lot of what people did, would do, would never enter my brain. It shows an ugly side of humanity, in the form of institutional corruption, and a lack of understanding for patients along with the mundane type of evils. After all, a person can only afford to care so much about their job, never mind if a person's life is at stake. That being said, it is still much more of a problem than you think it is. Just because the architecture is updated, and these 'troubled people' are being sent to other places, sometimes internationally, that does not mean that there isn't a problem in psychiatric care. This industry has been rife with abuse as long as there is someone to make a buck. There are still stories of places like bedlam being discovered and investigated. The troubled teen industry, gay conversion therapy, and medical experimentation should paint a picture. I am only in my mid 30's. I dodged being institutionalized only shy of 30 years ago. And I can name two friends in my life that were committed and had a hellish experience of their own.
Excellent work offering some very valuable insights. One of my 2 best friends is was diagnosed as schizoaffective. This was a gentle natured person who didn't have a violent bone in his body (seemingly, to his loved ones). We watched the decline of his mental health over a significant period, leading to a full psychotic break, during which he attacked his father (w/a knife to the back), which ultimately resulted in him being sent to the Riker's Island "Psych Ward" in NY. This facility's reputation is notoriously well known & documented. The area he spent a year confined to was an open dorm setting, w/rows of beds, no cells. That however, was where the differences between general population & "Psych" ended. The people w/whom he was housed, were equally, if not often MUCH more dangerous than those in the regular prison. They were murderers, serial rapists & everything else that you'd find in general population, only with the added dangers associated w/their respective forms of psychosis. My friend was corrupted there (I don't know for sure what happened) & was never the same after being released. Luckily, a good lawyer helped to have his charge reduced from attempted murder, to a lesser charge (I believe it was aggravated assault w/a deadly weapon, 1st degree? Not certain) and thankfully he only did the one year there. My friend told me he has NO recollection of his crime, & it was something that happened during a blackout (he was already on antipsychotic meds which are dangerous & unpredictable) & everybody, including his Dad who was the person stabbed, & myself believe him emphatically. He didn't deserve the experience he had. As a result, he has severe White Coat Syndrome, & despises doctors & hospitals. Anyways, I just felt that this comment section might be a decent place to share such an experience & maybe just vent my own personal frustrations w/modern healthcare & mental illness for a moment. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read this lengthy post, & please be well.
I feel like I need to share this after watching this video. My dad used to work with "Developmentally Disabled" kids. he would get bitten, kicked, punched, and even once strangled by them. He never seemed to care and even went out of his way to advocate for them in their school and family life. He passed away this last year, but his example of kindness still sticks with me. I miss him dearly but I try to live by his example of compassion
I came across your channel a few months ago and can't get enough. Judging by your videos, topics, and amazingly written episodes you're a fellow after my own heart. Your videos have lately become an awesome inspiration for learning how to write and edit my videos so thank you! I started about 5 months ago and love doing it so far. The youtube horror community has been so inviting and supportive. Thanks man, keep them videos coming! - SLD
as far as medication goes, for me it was a literal lifesaver. for a while my dosage kept going up and i was at a point where i developed hypomanic episodes from a surplus of serotonin. in a normal amount , however, im so glad i can still use it. i know for some people a lot of medications just will not work even if it should.. even for me some side effects stayed (with the hypomania and all) but i think we are in a time where we learn and change a lot of things and there is a growing system of help. if anything, i am more grateful for my medication and my therapist, than my actual psychiatric doctors. a lot of them do the job because it is very 'fancy' and high paying. if you get a good one, its a lucky day. a lot of them do fall back on infantilizing you and treating you like a criminal (and i live in a very modern well developed country with a great healthcare system.)
Just gonna casually assert that the entire JD/AH trial was about "fame, spite, and money," then move on without unpacking any of that massive can of Hot Take Worms. Whewboy.
Overall, this video is great at talking about the history of the Asylums (like the title says), however I do not agree with your personal views on how they should be portrayed in media. I have been into a mental institute through emergencies and I didn't feel lied to by medias, of course I also didn't fully believed everything shown to me in them. But in the end yes there are crazy people like there are normal ones. I had a person yelling prayers and crying for Jesus all night long without any staff coming in. Also had a squad of officers being around a single man cause he was saying he wasn't psychotic. Yes things aren't as bad as they used to be, but we're still far from living in peace either. To get back on the portrayals themselves in media, I hadn't known people truly believed movies and such until you mentioned that one case with Split. To me and many other people I know, these are products of fiction and in no way represent real life, hell the dude climbs onto walls and turns into a "beast" so to claim the rest of it like it is real life is very out there.
Thank you for putting in that last piece of audio at the end. It honestly was and still is one of my favorite conclusions to a video. It's so heart warming after everything that was presented in the rest of the video
I feel like including Moonknight as a "bad" depiction of DID shows a lack of knowledge both in the subject of DID and the the show itself. The comics are one thing but the show was a very good large step in the right direction. -a person with DID
This is exactly what I was thinking, and I'm shocked I had to scroll this far to see someone mention it. I don't think it's fair at all to lump it in with all the other examples. To me it feels like a far more tasteful show of DID than other depictions I've seen in media, and I was kinda baffled that he used it as an example when it practically aligns with everything he described it as being.
I mean, it’s better that how other superhero media has handled DID, but that bar is so low it’s practically in the ground. I’ve heard other people with DID criticize it by how the visual shorthands it uses for DID create misinformation about DID and (spoilers) how it does end up having a DID character that appears to love violence and murder, which is one of those common negative stereotypes. I’d blame a lot of that on a dearth of accurate popular knowledge of DID or dissociation in general, and Moon Knight being Moon Knight. Even at his best, he’s still a murderer, and what happens is a far cry from peeling someone’s face off like in the comics.
I was in a psych ward for about a month when I was 23. They put me in a room with a woman who had suffered severe trauma and was so afraid of the dark that she screamed whenever the light in the room was switched off (so every night). I asked a staff member if the light could be left on so that I could get some sleep but no luck. I also took a swing at a nurse because she kept talking to me like I was 5. Apparently she didn't like that so I was isolated until they realized I was just fed up and sleep deprived. The patients were really nice though. Some of the sweetest people with the best sense of humor I'd ever met.
I think Moon Knight did a good job with it's depiction of a mental hospital. Instead of it being a place of outright horror, it was a way for Mark's mind to organize and represent the abstract feelings he was fighting through. His enemy was the doctor, yes, but his performance and language (thanks mainly to the impeccable Ethan Hawk) is sensitive, and he comes across as genuinely trying to help Mark, despite the wider context of the story. The video game The Darkness 2 does this as well. When he suffers deadly injury, the Darkness traps Jackie in a fake mental hospital. It's a tragic torture, as Jackie is ripped from the violent world he knows and given a glimpse of a place that is quiet, peaceful, and full of people who are genuinely trying to help him and make him comfortable. I love these parts off the game because it shows mental health and the facilities that treat it more sensitively than other media, and adds to the characterization of The Darkness as it torments it's host with a dream of the potential of peace and comfort.
It should be noted, from a presentation standpoint, neither the book nor film version of Fight Club really suggests that the narrator has DID. Instead if you follow it closely it shows many of the hallmarks of Schizophrenia. At first he is showing signs of paranoia in particular about Marla appearing at the same support groups as him causing him fear exposure as a fake, the fear is legitimate but the degree of fear shows some level of paranoia. Now for those unfamiliar with the story I will provide a break in case of spoilers. Continuing, the appearance of Tyler Durden at first is a hallucination, a figure created by the narrator as a fantasy of an ideal figure free from the limitations he has placed upon himself. Later he begins to have delusional episodes where he acts as Tyler while thinking he is watching Tyler act. Tyler is less an alter and more a fantasy gone haywire. The psychogenic amnesia the narrator suffers may be drug induced as he is known to suffer from insomnia and to some extent narcolepsy and depending upon the drugs he is taking, could have been triggering bouts of amnesia for years before he really started to notice. Finally we never actually learn the narrator's name which led me to the assumption that his name is in fact Tyler Durden and the external character is a form of intense depersonalization disorder coupled with hallucinations and delusions likely stemming from undiagnosed schizophrenia combined with insomnia and drug abuse. None of this is to justify the fact that it is still about a psychologically affected individual acting in a decidedly villainous way, and of course all subsequent follow-ups to the novel destroys any kind of realistic diagnosis completely. In summary I don't feel Tyler Durden is a result of DID but it is far more complicated to try to explain what is actually going on with him in the story.
Fight Club never provides any explicit medical diagnosis other than insomnia to describe the causes of the main character's condition. I think this was a deliberate choice because the story is fundamentally not about mental illness. Dissociation and hallucinations are just devices to explore the real themes of masculinity, sexuality and fulfillment in modern life, they're ways to explore different aspects of identity, not gauche depictions of real conditions real people face. Everyone compares themselves to an idealized, perfect version of what they wish they were, Fight Club illustrates a universal, internal struggle.
I've been in a few, my mom was in a few. Believe me, unless you have a lot of money for fancy private care facility, which still can be bad, they are really nothing nice. It can quickly become a nightmare if you say or do the wrong thing. There are still many places where people are being Horrifically Abused because there are sadists who work there knowing that nobody will advocate for the victims. It happens in convalescent hospitals too.
I made the mistake of seeking help once. Showed me that my rights really didn't mean anything and that nothing has changed in the last hundred years. Mental health care is a nightmare, at least my experience was. I'll gladly go to jail any day or the morgue for that matter before ever subjecting myself to that again.
@@kiwi_bird being kidnapped and never knowing if i would get out of that place. they were messing with people, i only saw the "doctor" for 5 mins and he just wrote some things down and left me wondering what the hell was going on. it was a nightmare.
Great video, but I do think you muddy your points a few times. In particular, as someone who has been on an SSRI for 5+ years, I'm not at all sure I would agree that it should always be a last resort. I used to be so anxious I could barely function - post-SSRI, I feel so much more functional, and my life has immeasurably improved. Just my own experience, for sure, but worth considering. All in all, though, great video - just thought some nuance got washed away in the general points being made!
i was in an in patient mental health hospital for only a few days when i was 17. i was luckily able to leave after talking to my mom about the environment there but most children are not as lucky. there were kids there who were stuck for extended periods of time with no actually helpful resources. we have come a long way but mental health hospitals still exist as a way to hide people away so society doesnt have to think about them. it is genuinely heartbreaking what people will allow to happen in these places
An ex girlfriend of mine had DID. Last I've heard of her she was doing very well, was very stable and rarely switching. When we met however, in a mental hospital, it was quite different. First off, I only learned of her DID after she switched right in front of me when we were talking about video games and I unknowingly mentioned something that turned out to be a trigger for her. She later told me she was afraid to tell me about her condition and possible triggers because she thought I'd be scared of her and avoid or leave her. That other personality would look at surrounding people with a hateful expression, say horribly offensive things to hurt people (which was in stark contrast to the friendly, progressive and accepting person she is), and do and say a lot of things that were straight from insensitive cliches and caricatures of the mentally troubled. She has always watched a lot of sensational shows about killers and true crime and I sincerely believe that the horrendous depictions of her own illness in these shows and mainstream movies have severely influenced her self imagine consciously and subconsciously even further during times of hardship. While her experience is a overall hopeful one with how happy and stable she was able to become, I think it could have been so much better and easier if every fucking movie and show didn't portray these regular people as violent maniacs to be feared.
I was baker acted and discharged from a mental hospital recently. That timing has really made me appreciate how much this video really needed to exist. Thank you.
I wish I could say what you said about treatments no longer being how they are depicted in media don't happen anymore - but they do. My aunt died in a psych ward of hepatitis after another patient bit her and nobody bothered to check on her for a long, long time. Parents can have kids committed against their will and many times, social ideas lead to patients not being believed if they discuss abuse they suffered at the hands of their captors. Often their silence is bought with threats of further incarceration or promises of worse happening. Not every ward is like this, but many still are. More than a few of my friends ended up requiring abortions after being committed. Help, in America you can still easily send kids to "conversion camps" and "rehab ranches" in spite of the massively high abuse rate and 50% suicide rates. If you say these things never happen any more, nobody will believe patients to whom this does still happen. And patients will be more easily cowed into staying silent. Also in America it's legal to use punitive electrical shocks well in excess of the highest allowed to be used on cattle, on autistic people. Don't believe me? Look it up. #stoptheshock
I voluntarily committed to a rehab that was also a mental crisis treatment center, and based on my experiences there, it's a fucking joke that they're able to operate. Centerstone in Brandenton, FL. I came there genuinely trying to find some kind of guidance and better myself as an alcoholic and left feeling like I'm only seen as a charity case who only deserves sympathy and not empathy. I met some really good people there, and tbh the best employees there were one or two of the nurses who had been through shit themselves and understood us. The practicing doctor in charge of my wing tried to gaslight me several times to stay longer, it was incredibly suspicious because it was never concern for my well being, it was concern for me not "completing the program." The way upper administration treated us as addicts or mentally ill people with a substance abuse issue I feel especially bad for the people there who are getting "psychiatric care." Being there I met some of the nicest people, but yet it was one of the worst overall experiences I've had in my entire life.
I love your videos! Could you please do a video on this topic? The History of Pregnancy in the horror genre, such as: Women getting impregnated by aliens. Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction. A woman giving birth to a demonic child. A woman carrying a baby for an evil cult. Even men getting impregnated by an otherworldly seductress. Alien vs Predator: Requiem and Slither are all levels of wrong. Don't forget about Buffy The Vampire Slayer and The X-Files. There are some horror stories that show a betrayed woman turning into an alien mother as a form of women empowerment. Is this problematic? (For anyone who reads this, I would like to know your thoughts)
I think this is a good topic to discuss since it shows how scary being pregnant can be, also the male pregnancy can be seen as how men are ignorant about the hell women go through to give birth to a child. So having them go through the same thing is great.
I was voluntarily committed when my depression got out of control. Spent the weekend learning what was wrong with me, coloring, and talking to the staff. We (the patients) made brownies with a therapist. It was a hard time in my life; but the hospital was just that - a hospital. Please don't be afraid if you need help, it will be ok.
Yeah i agree that part really caught me off gaurd I dont think he ever went out of his way to depict her as mentally unstable, nor did he sue her out of spite and for money There was a legal agreement that she would stop talking about him and she balantly broke said agreement, thats when he sued her She herself came off as mentally unstable based on her own actions and the observations of many people *aside* from Johnny
I'm glad someone pointed that out.... AH was an abuser and she was wrong, but I don't want to go into details and start a fight with people who didn't even watch the full trial lol
After watching the Bedlam part, I now understand why mental hospitals have such a bad rep. I think it’s still a bit overused as a trope, and perpetuates some pretty bad stereotypes about the mentally ill.
Disregarding history because some parts of it are problematic is itself not cool. The narrative depictions of torturous asylums are so prevalent because they existed, and did so for centuries.
I frankly don't mind them that much. If the portrayals aren't accurate and accentuate artistic projects while also being culturally memorable, then use them. Those who actually go into state hospitals would have nothing to worry about once they see it's safe. No harm, no foul.
personally as someone who was in a psych ward the portrayal is truth. it’s not as bad as it was back in older times, but psych patients are still treated as subhuman. that treatment consistently often makes you as the patient believe that yourself and go a bit crazy.
@@planescaped my point and the point made in the video is that portraying modern mental institutions as the same as the ones in the 1300’s is inaccurate, often dehumanizing, and scares people away from getting help.
@In Praise of Shadows this might be the video you want to edit or do an apology for, because your take on the state of mental care currently is just disconnected from reality, wishful thinking at best, verging on misinformative propaganda at worst. I got as far as the part in the video where you extol the virtues of modern mental health facilities and had to stop. My wife was comitted against her will in college, after confiding she’d had suicidal thoughts(but not particularly the will to act on them) to her psychiatrist. They had her committed and she said it was the worst experience of her life, humiliation on top of discomfort and invasion of privacy. She’s said she’ll never tell a mental health professional if she’s ever has suicidal thoughts again because of the experience. The experience didn’t help her in any way and only traumatized her after she’d already been traumatized. She only got out because she quickly learned to lie and tell them what they wanted to hear rather then the truth. This was 2008 in the United States, Maryland to be more specific and point out that it’s not a “backwards” state.
If you ever want to revisit this, I worked at the Kalamazoo Psychiatric Hospital for 5 years, and have close friends and contacts who have been employed there for 30+ years. From Social workers, to psychologists and psychiatrists, to Residential Care Aides, we can tell you stories that will chill you to the bone. I had to quit after 5 years and go on anti-anxienty medication, and was so depressed I basically didn't leave my apartment for almost a year, before I got my shit back together. (Years behind me now, I got my shit together, spend 4 years in the Army, which I found WAY less stressfull than working in a psych hospital lol, even when deployed, and now have a successfully Cybersec career and wife and family... but man, you see some stuff like, someone removing their own, um, "ball" from his "sack" using a plastic fork because it was "making him gay", and having to put it into a plastic bag for the doctors when they wheeled him out to the actual medical wing for surgery... you never quite get over that.
I find so sad and weird and horrifying and kinda funny the fact that most people when talking about their work in psych institutions, their most traumatizing stories are about people removing from and/or inserting in things to their bodies...
I'm also curious. I am pretty sure Depp didn't try to make Herd look crazy out of spite. That's a pretty short sighted summary of the court case. I guess time will tell if you're right, but it doesn't appear correct. She is not crazy, but she's definitely an awful person by all actions we "know of."
I haven't been seen what inside a mental institution is like, but last November my dad who is sick from health issues and is very weak was forced to stay at a hospital in NJ. It had been years since I saw him so I stayed for a year to take care of him since he has dialysis, it's horrible to watch someone you love so sick. To make things short, he was forced to stay and thought he was suicidal (he never has been) they took away his belongings and phone, i was left alone and depressed at the room we rent since his side of the family offered no help to him or me, i was living with unknown men and would only remain in my room for two weeks. For half a week I had no news of my dad since the staff from the hospital couldn't even give me one sign if he was okay. I suffer from depression so those days I was alone was awful since I missed my dad, I don't own a car so the only way to visit him would be a 8pm. Days went by and he was released from the place he was taken and into a normal patient room. I want to say normal since my dad said he was treated horribly, staff would ignore him and someone in another room far from him wouldn't stop screaming day and night, i arrived the day he was released from that place , first thing we did was hug and cry for minutes. I had never seen my dad so sad and disheveled. I hate hospitals since they'll treat anyone who's "insane" very horrible and be neglectful to those who need help.
Did you watch the trial? Heard made herself look crazy. I would have left that part out. Also, horror movies centered around mental asylums can be awesome. How many movies have people getting killed in the woods or something, but that doesn't stop people from camping.
Only 49:00 through and blown away. Just when I think you have covered everything their could be on the subject you present more and more information. I have shared on FB and with friends. Keep up the good work!!!
I did my senior thesis on Bedlam ,along with a psychoanalysis of characters of "one flew over the cuckoos nest." Madness is fascinating, but our " cure " for it, even more so
What an exceptional video. Great and important work. I have worked as a social worker in a clinic for addicts, where many patients had multiple diagnosis besides their addiction (chronic or drug infused Schizophrenia, Depression, Paranoia etc.) I now work as a drug counselor in a German prison for adults. We have come a long way but there are still so many moments, when theses people are not treated as humans but as "problems". Thank you for this video. Even if I cried multiple times viewing it =)
We had the “glass of orange juice guy” urban legend in suburban Baltimore. Our version had it as a drug dealer carrying a bunch of LSD, chased by cops through the rain. The rain soaked his pockets and he unintentionally overdosed on all the LSD he was carrying. This resulted in the ongoing orange juice belief and his need for hospitalization.
It baffles me that people often confuse professional pharmacists and the pharmaceutical industry that they are dismissed as sources of guidance: we are not glorified store clerks. We can easily provide counselling regarding medications because we KNOW them inside out, even more than doctors to whom prescribing has become habit. It may seem that pharmacists are not part of your medical team in a healthcare setting, but that's because we've been largely invisible in the medical pop culture, and because pharmaceutics have been treated as magic. They're not. I do not know how things are in wherever country you're from, but you should be able to seek guidance, at least when it comes to medication. That's why they are there. Note: depending on the locale, laws may differ on when pharmacy technicians are also allowed to provide counsel, as opposed to just the actual pharmacist.
I was lucky enough to get an experienced pharmacist when I walked into the pharmacy recently. She noticed the doctor had prescribed the wrong medication and could give me the name of what I needed so I could get him to rewrite the prescription. 👍
I ask my pharmacists questions all the time. I'm on a complicated medication regimen due to transplant, so I have a lot of stuff that interacts and has to be taken at different times of day, with/without other meds etc. I can count on a pharmacist catching when the doc prescribes something in a toxic dose or contraindicated.
Really incredible video! Only wish you had elaborated on the johnny depp comment or not included it at all as it comes out of nowhere and being so topical sours the mood a bit
@@ladyzoe5734 I'm not saying hes wrong about it, I'd just say its fair to say thats counter to the public opinion and wish he explained it more. These videos are supposed to bring in the meaningful and unbiased research, I don't want homework
Wow that line about the man who thought he was a juice glas made it all the way to my neck of the Woods in Scandinavia, I remember a teacher telling my class this story as a cautionary tale about acid
Okay, I wasn't going to comment because (1) your videos are amazing and this one is so well-done and so relevant, and (2) my feelings are complicated and probably not well conveyed as a youtube comment lol. But as I'm at the end of the video listening to the questions that you ask content makers to consider, it seems reasonable to think that you may be interested to know if any content you've made would trigger similarly negative issues for your audience. Because even though I thoroughly enjoyed 99.99% of this video, there was just one sentence that sorta kinda did ruin my evening, and I can't really see why it was included. Because as someone who has been through a deeply unhealthy relationship with someone who engaged in much of the same behavior as Amber Herd was demonstrated to have done in the trial - and as someone with a legal education and a fair ability to understand the case outside of the context of social media and clickbait news (i hope) to have a decent grasp of the facts of the case and the meaning of the decision - hearing you flaty claim that Depp's attempt to tell his story amounts to "gaslighting", with the assumption that he *must* have been the abuser...yeah that really sucked, man. Now all I can think about is how media often presents abuse and mental health issues in other ways, how my ex was able to use that to their advantage, and how it still prevents me from really ever talking about it with anyone outside of the people who knew my ex and saw some of what happened. The assumption that the masculine or physically powerful partner is always the abuser can be harmful, too. Hearing Depp's side of the story made me feel less alone, and for a minute it made me feel like I could be more open about my own experiences. So why include the comment about the depp v herd trial that completely erases the possibility that depp was telling the truth? Because if someone as smart as you who has the skills to do such awesome research can come away from that trial with the kind of impression you've expressed here...man. Still gonna watch your videos, but yeah...now i have a feeling that it's always going to make me think about the fact that no matter how much evidence i have to the contrary, and no matter how many witnesses i could bring to the table, my side of the story will never be believed as quickly or as fiercely as the delusions that my ex-wife has constructed. Even when it comes to smart, empathetic people with whom I agree on so many things. At the end of the day, no one knows the truth except the people involved. If the topic of domestic abuse is going to be addressed, please do it the justice that you've done with every other topic you've covered, and keep in mind that blanket statements that claim knowledge of someone's intentions (like saying that depp was "gaslighting") is an ignorant and potentially harmful thing to do. Much love. ❤
Yeah it’s such a shame because his videos are interesting, well thought out and insightful, but then he always makes at least one of these idiotic comments that just make you go “WTF, did he really say that?” For me it completely ruins the point he is trying to make and drags me out of the narrative. I’m sorry to see that this video continues this trend.
It was also just unnecessary, and honestly unwise. Even if he sincerely believes Amber Heard's version of the story, the situation still hasn't even really wrapped up and it's entirely likely she'll be sued by other parties who also felt she lied, which could then lead to further evidence that she is in fact an abuser herself or at best a disingenuous serial victim and he'll just further alienate the audience watching this video in the future.
Great video. As others have pointed out though I think it is a overstatement to suggest that these facilities are unwholly like their media depictions. Also the idea that it is difficult to become institutionalized is very inaccurate. If you're poor, homeless, physically or mentally ill, it is quite easy actually to become institutionalized with little if any recourse to resist. Institutionalization is also used as a weapon by abusive partners. There are numerous stories of women who have been institutionalized by their partner convincing a judge to do so.
i spent a few months in a mental health clinic for expressing suicidal ideations to ensure i wouldn't do anything stupid when i got out of there and casually mentioned my stay to an aquaintance, his response was "so.. does that mean i should be scared of you then?" (as in, am i going to harm him. he looked dead serious and took a step back.) which i think says enough about the absolute state of mental health awareness of the general public like yes, me, the super duper scary 1.55 m afab person am a threat to the 1.8 m bearded, muscular dude bro because i wanted to kill myself. that's exactly how this works lmao
sidenote, even though i knew the horror asylums were outdated visuals and not to expect them, i was really caught off guard by blue cartoon pirates being painted on the walls of every common room of our section since we were legal minors at the time. didn't really get used to it during my stay and i think i would've preferred the bland white walls instead haha
I'm sorry about that, but also as a larger individual, I can assure you we are not knife/bullet proof and don't wish to be harmed any more than smaller people.
I would have harmed my own friends during some of my worst times for admittedly petty years-old slights against me that could have contributed to my problems; just saying. Everyone has to sleep sometime, homie.
Fight Club is an incredibly deep analysis of toxic masculinity and DID has barely anything to do with it. It is kind of baffling that you show it when you talk about "meaningless' representations
It can be both! A good film incredibly good deconstruction of toxic masculinity, but also echoes themes of badly understood mental health tropes! No need to get pissy
@@beththegreen A completely unrealistic depiction of a split personality that behaves more like a magical demon possession like what happens in Fight Club can also just a thing in a movie that people shouldn't connect to their real lives in any way.
@@escalatingbarbarism5096 Then what's the point of understanding the message of the film in the first place...? And or expanding upon what the film has already shown?
Yeah, for real, no one with any integrity could've watched that trial in full, or those earlier depositions from their divorce, or listened to their tapes, and come away convinced that Johnny Depp was the gaslighter here. Which leads me to believe that the creator can't have actually followed the case and simply read some short articles about it. I mean, yes, when someone comes out with DV accusations like Amber Heard did, it should always be taken seriously and investigated. But this case WAS taken seriously for a long time - and then Amber Heard's own behaviour undermined it and showed her up to be a liar.
I havent watched this through yet, but I hope you talk about Haxan. It isn't strictly asylum horror, but its commentary on how they treated the "mad" in the early 20th century vs the middle ages in Sweden is really interesting and it's an absolute classic of the horror genre
It... it depends. It's getting better yes. But when I was 12, 8 years ago now. In that mental hospital, I watched a nurse physically fight a adolescent patient. Little in that has changed in texas at least. He kept working there as far as I know. At least he was 2 weeks later when I left.
YEESSS, whenever you upload i know no matter how bad my day is, i'll have a nice treat waiting for me when i get home from work! I hope you're doing good and having more good days than bad ones
I appreciate the work that went into this and, while agree with some things and disagree with others, I think titling this video as simply a "history of" is a bit misleading. I would suggest either separating the history and opinion portions into their own videos or titling in a way that reflects the fact that, in reality, it's more of an argumentative opinion piece. Just my two cents. Either way, keep at it!
I was noticing the blend he has on editorialization for this video as well, after all it definitely conjures established emotions for him. This follows his normal approach with videos, personalizing his critique by revealing his interest in the focus (Return to Oz), so its not too surprising.. Anyhow, I'm just heckling you because you are an old friend and I find it awesome to run into you on thus channel
This video is kind of a mess. Specifically it's a bit baffling that a video discussing the importance of "patient-first" care casually suggests that medication should be a last resort. "Well, maybe we should exhaust every other option" - this is harmful, even with good intentions. Medical professionals abuse their ability to medicate patients just to make a problem dissapear. Still, that doesn't mean that the fault is on the medication itself. People can suggest to a patient to try therapy first, but those resources may be unavailable, ill-suited for the patient, or too expensive. (Medication can already be a huge expense.) It is already incredibly hard to have your problems be taken seriously. You can just get slapped with "oh go to therapy, and do some mindfulness exercises." Making medication less available does not fix this issue.
1:03:15 : Wait... had this on in the background. Are you being facetious when you said 'Johnny Depp, for fame, spite, blahblah, gaslit the world into thinking Heard was crazy and evil?' Cause if you're serious, I just lost ALL respect for you.
Janet Frame was born in my country, New Zealand and to this day is one of our most celebrated authors. After Janet was misdiagnosed as schizophrenic she spent a number of years at Seacliff Mental Hospital near the city of Dunedin. Seacliff closed in the 1970s and was basically left to nature after that, so by the 1990s a number of the original buildings remained intact but overgrown. I moved to Dunedin in the mid-90s for college and one of the first big social events I was invited to was an outdoor rave being held as Seacliff Mental Hospital. It was still technically government owned land. There have been rumours about Seacliff being haunted even before it closed, quite a few of the partygoers talked about what they might do if they saw any ghosts. I personally didn't see anything of the sort but there were quite a few party goers who took interesting substances to enhance their experience, so maybe they saw something. What I did see was depressing concrete buildings in ruins, and inside some of those buildings the remains of machines that looked like something out of a horror movie (no pun intended). The location combined with not knowing much about machinary led myself and some friends to speculate that these relics must be electro-shock machines or labotomizers. To me it at least this was far more horrifying than the idea of sad spirits roaming the grounds.
you say decades but i remember scandals of patients being tied down for ten or twelve hours at a time just five or ten years ago. i still think they are treated poorly to this day it just might not be as bad.
Tbh even though I didn't like being made to go at first, going to a mental hospital was the best thing that ever happened to me because they got me further therapy, got me a psychiatrist to prescribe me medications, had sit downs with me and spoke to me, and I got to meet and talk to all the other patients. It saved my life.
This was absolutely brilliant. So true, thank you for spreading this information; it’s very valuable. Schizophrenia runs in my family, my great uncle was institutionalized in the 30’s, and his whole family was shamed for it. He eventually committed suicide. My own mother is also schizophrenic, and the way medical professionals tend to treat her is just vile. The generational trauma of her great uncle, and how the world shamed her family, caused her to not seek help in fear of the same. Sadly individuals who have stigmatized mental illness continue to be mistreated. I really do feel as though the way media has portrayed asylums, and the fact that schizophrenia is ALWAYS the illness portrayed in those films; as something to be afraid of, as if these people are violent, is so harmful I’m sick about it. The sad reality is the opposite. My mother is a scared, broken woman when she is psychotic. She only wants herself and her kids to be safe, because her fear centers around someone hurting her children. It is torture of the mind, she is the one being harmed, she does not harm others. I wish that media would portray those with schizophrenia in a better light. :( The label put upon my mother by society has harmed her in ways I cannot even begin to describe. She cannot even enter a normal hospital now without panic and fear.
I read your comment and agree with you 100% as I'm also schizophrenic. I hate how we're portrayed by Hollywood as violent when we're the exact opposite. All they care about is money and nothing else.
Honestly, it’s so disgusting how much stigma there is surrounding Schizophrenia. I’m so sorry about what your family has been though, I can’t imagine the pain such horrible treatment caused. Sending all my love to you and your family.
See I have this crazy thought that maybe a lot of his research is pulled out of the third ass chambers myself. I love his channel but there are quite a few times he makes no sense or completely misses the point of something.
"We can always do better for more people. That should always be the goal." I came originally for horror takes, but this to me is why I love your videos. Thank you for the amazing analysis and your heart
Excellent video! Strongly disagree with you in your description of Depp V Heard however. She was very clearly gaslighting him in all those hours of audio and admitted to hitting him. I'm severely confused by your opinion.
You’ve been tricked man. The algorithm showed you exactly what Depp’s team wanted you to see. The jury was not sequestered and now it’s shown that one juror snuck in and lied. Depp’s team purposely made it so the trial would be televised. Depp has a history of past and present assault lawsuits about him assaulting men and women. Please do more research because you’re clearly parroting exactly what contributed to that joke and public spectacle of a trial.
@@scotcheggable some of us have jobs and friends and family. You can do extensive research without being chained to a courtroom livestream. Most people who disagree w Depp Stans, are looking at physical evidence and his past proven behavior, rather than forming an opinion on some reactionary moments of public spectacle.
I don't know if it already appeared somewhere in the video, but Nightmare on Elm Street 3 features benevolent mental health professionals helping to defeat Freddy, and a therapeutic session having a positive effect, though group hypnosis may not be a particularly well regarded treatment in real life.
Western NC Local here and I grew up hearing the same Broughton stories. It wasn't till my best friend told me her mom was there that I learned a little bit more and became a more enlightened human.
Dammit dude. Just when I get tired of the same old shit on YT, you come along and restore my hope. I'm only a minute into this video and I already know it's gonna gonna great. Keep it up bro. Much love.
Honestly I don't think de-institutionalization was an improvement. It was a business opportunity. Why keep a mentally unstable person off the streets at taxpayer expense when you can release them and have them buying medication for the rest of their lives? And it's also no coincidence that homelessness and crime have gone up since then. The truly mentally infirm that can't function in society are still wards of the state, now it's just your problem. The government will take any opportunity it can to create a crisis. Because on the other end of that crisis, they get to create more bureaucracy and power for themselves. I'm really not sure what the solution. I think we haven't found it yet. I think we need to do more research on the human brain. But I also shudder to think of how that research could be used, because you're talking about the ability to directly alter and control peoples' mental states. That's pure control porn for a tyrannical government. Such people cannot be trusted with such power. Hell, they can't even be trusted to fix pot holes.
Thank you for this video. I really enjoy your thoughtful and thorough video essays, you've also given me awareness of media that was obscure or something I'd never consider watching (I actually found your channel with your "in defense of Nicholas Cage" video and ended up watching Vampire's Kiss because of it - I'd previously thought Cage was just a hack and didn't consider his acting methods). I really appreciate that you mention representation as well as reducing stigma. I've struggled with my mental health, even avoided looking at symptoms because they were part of an umbrella associated with a stigmatized mental illness. I really had to look inward and force myself to move past that after years of denial. Please keep making videos. I honestly think you're one of the most thoughtful TH-camrs out there that focuses on quality content. Plus I love finding new horror movies and other content I'd never heard of.
Hey everybody, thanks for watching this one I really hope you liked it. It was an important video for me and one I've wanted to work on for a while now. I have some exciting things coming up that I'm excited to share with you. If everything goes well, I have a fun video planned for next month and I am in the middle of working on a Halloween special which I can't wait to show you, it isa project that has me more excited than just about anything I have ever done with the channel before and I think it is going to be great. Anyways, thanks again, take care and I hope you are doing well.
Looking forward to it dude
You the best king :D
On your comment of Comedy and Horror, there is the Exaggeration, where the normal is portrayed in a heightened way, like Asylum would be exaggerated as cruel and creepy place build on haunted grounds, where nobody cares if you are sane or ill, patients are scary monsters in human skins that roam around the corridors and "medical practice" is inhumane torture done by mad scientist and serial killers. Its kind of meant to be disturbing and dark, as that kind of imagery is scary and being locked in that kind of location would be scary to anyone. Not everything is trying to have some deeper message or idea. Some just want to make a film set in a extremely scary asylum.
Excellent work, I’m thrilled you mentioned Broughton hospital, as I’m from the area(just a little further up the mountain in Mitchell County) and had a family member who spent time in old Broughton before the renovation, and remember well the horror stories surrounding the places existence(both urban legend and actual mistreatment of patients). It’s incredibly refreshing to know that one of the best horror commentators on TH-cam is from my neck of the woods. You approach your subjects with empathy, humility, and humanity which can be sorely lacking in many facets of horror fandom. Great work as always.
I think an interesting follow up to this video could be the history of mental illness throughout horror instead of the institutions that deal with them.
Love your work as always, and look forward to the Halloween video.
I have Bipolar and often get migraines. I once had a headache so bad, I had a family member drive me to the hospital. I told the intake receptionist my symptoms and medical history, and when I was called back, was put in the psychiatric ward, stripped of my possessions and clothes, and put under mental observation in a padded cell with no way to contact anyone. I was confused and still suffering an intense migraine, so when the nurse came in and asked me if I knew why I was here, I screamed through tears, "I just have a headache!" and they left me there for hours. It was only through intense advocacy of my family member that I was released. I never did see a physician. The mental health field has come a long way, but it still needs a lot of improvement, especially when it comes to listening to patient self-advocacy.
Dude. Amen. That's such a shit thing to go through. Thank you for speaking out about it too. This stuff needs to end.
I would like to help you. I don't know a dame thing about you but Autism is commonly misdiagnosed as by Bipolar disorder. Austic Brians are wired differently and can have exstramly bad reactions to meds the most common being mygrains and meds can also create the systems of bipolar disorder. The migranes will likely never go way as it a form of medicine indoused nerve damage.
I know because this happened to me.
You should look into your family history of developmentel disorders and get your meds lowered. If I'm right you should have an easy time. You may need to go off your meds under doctor chare for a few months as thy have withdraw system. But if I'm right you will live a much better life.
I have heard a lot of horrible stories similar to this. It still happens. In Sweden where I live there have been stories coming out of people dying in restraints that have been put on them against their will. Like you said there is still a lot of changes we need to fight for.
I was diagnosed w BPD in 2013. About 5 years ago, I was showing signs of MS but it wasn’t until last year when my legs went numb did I get any tests. Up til then, I just kept hearing that it was anxiety.
Hope you’re well, friend.
@@Veestar88 I feel like bpd is one of the most misunderstood too. I am a bartender and I have a lot of regulars who have it, mostly women, and holy shit the stigmas they deal with.. it’s like just because someone has an abnormal reaction to something because of their mental illness doesn’t mean the underlying thing isn’t there. I have one girl who’s healing from a traumatic car incident who is constantly ignored and under treated because they assume she’s overreacting because of her bpd. But I’ve seen the symptoms from the car accident - they’re absolutely horrible. Loss of balance, loss of thought patterns, difficulty using her hands. It’s so fucked because as women were already often not taken seriously about our physical issues on top of it dealing with a stigmatised mental illness. Hell I have adhd and I’m often type cast as the quirky entertaining one or the one who rambles (I absolute do ramble though) and it’s invalidating as hell.
As someone who's been to a mental rehab center in the US as a patient, I can vouch for other people saying that the mental facilities are not what they could be. It was the bleakest most depressing place I've ever had the disprivilege of living
I'm 33,I went to a mental hospital 15 years ago. Your take is ambitious. Poor people have vastly different experiences with the medical field in general. It may not be the 1800s but you can be held against your will quite easily,stuck on a beauricratic nightmare,be force fed medication that a doctor youve barely spoken to prescribes. I don't think most media of this type is vilifying the patients,it villifies how people view the sick. How they have always viewed the sick. Art is imitating reality,not the other way around.
I really like youre comment... the only objection with it is, i dont think doctors are even able to pretend that they care that much, especially if the patient has insurance, ive heard so many horror stories from administered treatments that my worldview has been changed as a result..... im kinda skeptical of "doctors"
@@fattyjaybird7505 depends highly on which kind and for those kinds, what the context is - blindly lacking trust is very unwise and can be dangerous - not also being your own advocate is also dangerous, though.
Who tf asked, Karen?
Hes obviously a rich white snowflake. Probably gay.
This is about film
I'll never forget the story that was told to me by a friend's mother. When she was institutionalized by her abusive stepmother as a teenager, she met a woman who had been placed there by her controlling husband all because she had wanted to return to work after having kids. She was highly intelligent and creative, a painter, and longed to be able to express herself once again. The husband would have none of it. Angered by her defiance, he authorized a full frontal lobotomy to be performed immediately. My friend's mom saw her again a couple weeks later, sitting next to a suitcase, waiting for her husband to take her home. Her eyes were lifeless, her spark was gone. Horrified, my friend's mom asked her how she was feeling. "Everything is trapped in here and I can't get it out". Not long after, the woman took her own life by stepping in front of a bus.
That is horrible. Your friend's mother and that woman deserved much better.
Frontal lobotomy was developed in the 1930s for the treatment of mental illness and to solve the pressing problem of overcrowding in mental institutions in an era when no other forms of effective treatment were available. The last recorded lobotomy in the United States was performed by Dr. Walter Freeman in 1967. In half a century's time, it may be that current treatment methods will be considered barbaric and unethical. Psychology it's a relatively new science, we can't change the past, all we can do is make sure that mental patients are treated better now and in the future.
Fuck man, that makes me want to cry.
That is an absolute tragedy.
Lobotomy makes me furious. It doesn't fix anything, and we should never regard it as a "solution". It doesn't change anything for the patient. It silences it for the interests of others so they won't have to be "bothered" by it. You're still aware of your problems but you can no longer express that. It's like being a conscious silent ghost trying to communicate with a world of living breathing people.
I've been in a mental hospital twice and while it's not what the movies say it is, I wouldn't say it's a "helpful" facility. It's more an extension of the prison industrial complex. They do not treat us like humans and the place is usually not up to board with cleanliness. These places are bad, but not as bad as they used to be, but they need some serious updating...
The Army and VA ones I went to were super clean. And we could sleep whenever we wanted to. But the drugs were evil and they blacked out the windows and hung photos of natural scenery which seemed like a sick joke. It was mind numbingly boring though
"something something I WAS IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL TWICE PLS EVERYBODY I NEED ATTENTION something" - There are people who achieved more in their life.
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How erudite of a response, 😂 what are you? Some 14 year old boy?
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I left this very same comment. That his take on me talking health facilities is ambitions. No it's not the 1800s but it can certainly be a bureaucratic nightmare and you really hit the nail on the head with extention of the prison industrial complex.
I think Bobby Kennedy's concern for the children's wellbeing was because of the type of facility his older sister was kept in. Rosemary Kennedy's story is so sad, and he had learned of her location a few years prior to his visit to Willowbrook.
Rosemary Kennedy was also lobotomized, with Rose and Joe Kennedy's consent.
@@victoriadiesattheend.8478 i thought i read that only her dad gave permission the mother didn't know till after and broke down I read that somewhere
I also think Bobby Kennedy didn't agree with what happened to his sister
Every person i've ever known to get treatment in a psyche ward has described it to me as a prison. My partner got her identity stolen by one of the employees during her stay and almost got arrested. I don't think things have progressed as much as you're implying here.
That's another issue.
People talk and talk about their success with this medication or that medication...
But for the people it fails, they wind up jailed, institutionalized, or commit suicide.
Everything sounds like it works, when those it doesn't work for are locked away, or dead.
It really depends where you live imo. I live in FL and our mental wards aren’t great but they’re not the worst. I unfortunately know a lot of people who have been baker acted, or what we call involuntary held. And in my experience for the most part most people view the experience as feeling like a prison and it sucked but also are thankful for the experience because they said it saved their lives. But I do also know people who have been fuckdd over and wrongly baker acted. One woman who was an adult, definitely struggling with mental health but not suicidal nor homicidal. She got into an argument with her grandparents, whom she was living with at the ti me, they found out she had an abortion which they were extremely against, and in retaliation they got her baker acted. The cops believed the grandparents over my friend because by the time they got there she was very overly stressed / angry / crying and they believed the old calm hateful people over the angry crying woman. I also know a woman who like unsane was talking to hef therapist and accidentally slipped up snd said she had suicidal thoughts. Well therapist took that the wrong way and baker acted her. I remember her coming to my work a few days later just walking up to my quietly saying “I got grippy socked”.
I guess what I’m saying is while there is still large room for improvement i think the fear of being locked in there forever and the fear of having a lobotomy is far far worse than the fear of being wrongly held or held for a week instead of 3 days. Yes it’s still rough and yes it need improvement like yesterday but it’s no comparison to the hell people faced in the 50s
@@Nuhbuddys nothing works for everyone, but the fact that some people are helped is a giant improvement. Imo more research and accessibility is necessary. Like why is it so hard to find cognitive behavioural therapists? It is the leading field of psychology and yet we are stuck with generic talk therapists some old enough to be trained with outdated practices? Also accessibility. You know who isn’t gonna have the motivation to dig through their insurance providers website or only websites to check insurance to see which doctor takes your insurance? Mentally ill people. Or who isn’t gonna see if there are any discount or public funded therapists in their area because they aren’t well known. It should be as easy as walking into any centralised clinic meeting with someone for immediate therapy
Yeah, while it definitely isn't like how it is in the movies or shitty horror videogames anymore I've had both decent and godawful experiences in a mental hospital. Granted I get that if I just need a place to be stabilized for a few days while my doctors figure out meds, what's going on etc. I don't have to stay in a luxurious hotel with butlers standing near my bathroom waiting for me needing toilet paper to wipe my ass. I also understand that people are people and get frustrated, pissed off, and burnt out, especially if you constantly have to deal with clients who for some reason don't want to improve themselves yet the mental health facilities continue to coddle them (probably cause of insurance reasons) and you have no control over it. However while there are places I've been to where at worst I was just bored out of my mind but the nurses at the very least were trying their best, there were others where I was gaslit, mentally and emotionally abused, traumatized, forcefed pills I didn't really need and knew were just fucking my body up but they didn't care because it meant they didn't had to deal with me, and even had things stolen from me and psychs who straight up told me they didn't give a fuck if I went and tried to kill myself.
The last one I legitimately had a doctor tell that to me with a straight face and just being so goddamn exhausted with dealing with the system after so long I just said "OK" with no emotion whatsoever and went ahead and tried to hang myself pretty much in my room moments later. Yeah it most likely probably wouldn't have worked but at that point I was just so fucking tired and didn't care anymore and you would think at the very least people could do in their profession is just not be an asshole to people suffering from shit they didn't want or even asked for. But that's a lot to ask in some places I ended up in.
If anyone wants a silver lining however I still have issues but shit is nowhere near as bad as it was years ago after I found a doctor who actually said I had DID and has made some of my shit manageable and am now living on my own after living in group homes for a while. And they did actually fire that doctor after that but that's still something no one should seriously have to go through in this day and age.
TL;DR Sure they don't do lobotomies and shit anymore, but it depends which hospital you end up in for a lot of people with chronic issues like mine. Most of the time it fucking sucked cause people are still fucking clueless pricks about mental illness.
I was a patient, and my experience, and my grandparents (Clinical psychologists and Psychiatrist from 70's-2000's) have attested that their has been great change and dis-investment during thi time.
This was done well but I have to disagree with how far we have come. As someone who works in mental health in hospitals, nursing homes and disability homes I can guarantee you that a lot of inhumane stuff does go on and for long periods of time and not much can be done about it. Things aren’t as extreme in some ways as they used to be but.. too much to say.
It seems like this is just a case of this creator perhaps having a very limited personal perspective on the subject- And there's nothing about Regan's destructive part historically in the mental health crisis which really says it all. Many of these folks were released with no resources and have lived short, rough lives that have caused themselves and others great societal pain with no end in sight. I also truly despise the horribly low bar being utilized to make a point that isn't even true in modern society. It's just happening more covertly through toxic people in power with no understanding or interest in long term benefits that would humanize or genuinely help. Society can and absolutely needs to do better and not rest on these lazy laurels just because the abuse isn't as "overt" anymore. I do want to make a point that I deeply appreciate this channel and it's usually rich content, not to mention the time and effort that goes into this content. I have returned to many of their videos and have found many great resources to enjoy from various references made in other videos, but the lack of honest understanding on some of these extremely crucial points was quite a let down for me as well.
@@altaregodesign you summarised my own thoughts perfectly.
As someone who’s been an inpatient at several different mental health facilities, I have to disagree with you. My experience and your experience in this matter is entirely subjective and colored by our circumstances and surroundings of course, but it feels like you’re misinterpreting what he was saying about the improvements made. He never said that the things you mentioned aren’t issues, but it’s intellectually dishonest to claim that we haven’t come a long way. Him saying that doesn’t mean that we don’t still have a lot of work to do, but I for one at extremely grateful that I wasn’t in-patient in a not-so-distant time that could’ve left me permanently brain damaged for the mental health struggles I’ve gone through. Many of the things you’ve mentioned are directly the result of a corrupt and corporate driven society that over works and underpays the people who take care of the mentally ill. That fault is something that’s tied to capitalism and also must be improved, but I for one know that it’s still far better than what we had 40 years ago.
@@beanwaddlers I have been a mental health patient and worked in mental health. I also worked almost 20 years in health care ie mainly hospitals. I don’t know what country you’re in but mental health and health care workers are paid very well here in Australia. People are this way because it’s an abuse of power or not being able to empathise without experience as a patient. Also a lot of mental health is connected to physical ailments that haven’t been discovered like in my case which was neurological and genetic and this is something I had to work out and spend a lot of money getting blood work and still gaslit by the medical field . Let’s just agree to disagree
@@beanwaddlers I fully agree (I'm in the US and was put into a mental health facility after an attempt to take my life.). After a week I was moved to another facility with more freedom (since I hadn't shown signs of suicidal ideation and wasn't deemed a drug or flight risk -- it was also a post-acute rehab center) I was allowed to sign out for an hour a day and go for a walk--generally I would go buy myself some juice and candy to share with the other inmates. There were group therapy sessions, nature walks, yoga classes and house meetings, and you could choose two people from outside to visit, allowed any time between 10AM and 8 PM. House meetings began with a meeting of patients' rights, which were developed with the help of the person after whom the facility was name, a former patient called Jay Mahler, who had said “I’ve spent 58 years in the public mental health system-10 years surviving it and 48 trying to change it.” Modern mental patients owe a lot to his activism.
While there are cruel and incompetent people in all positions of power (andthe video acknowledges this), the American system, particularly in the State of California (which went from the sort of place on which One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest was based, and Jay Mahler's personal stories from 1960's mental health care have a lot of overlap with Ken Kesey's fictionalized experiences, followed by then-Governor Ronald Reagan touring some facilities and sending home many patients without providing adequate, if any support for them on the outside.) is vastly improved from what it was in Bedlam or The Snake Pit or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and its disingenuous that others have claimed that there are no improvements just because there is still work to be done
The Willowbrook footage from inside the facility is genuinely shocking; I remember seeing some of it in the Cropsey documentary from a few years ago. It's difficult to believe that barely fifty years ago children were being treated like that. Not criminals, not adults, just innocent children, left with no real help or aide in their own filth. Genuinely shocking.
You really should care about everyone. Not just children.
? Don't forget about puppies and butterflies bumblebees little snails in the water and Mullis I like mussels and clams they clean the water and we don't have if people take the stuff from the water then our water turns poopy and we all die
@@Bizarro69 What part of their comment implies they don't care about everyone? Such snark over nothing.
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They don't imply that they don't care about them, but let's be honest they are somewhat emphasizing the fact that children were treated in this way, when it should be enough that just adults who are presumably normal people were victims as well.
@@bobtheball5384 Because children are uniquely helpless, ignorant, harmless, and young. Little kids aren't going to put up much of a fight when they're abused, if they even recognize they're being abused at all.
I don't think that bringing attention to the maltreatment of children downplays the maltreatment of everyone else. The harm is just especially shocking and unjustifiable when done to kids.
I agree with some of your points on medication, and I do appreciate your nuance on the topic. However, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that medication should be a "last resort." I personally definitely wish I hadn't waited until my absolute breaking point to try medication. I think I could have avoided additional trauma.
100%. My meds have helped me tremendously.
Exactly. Some things are caused by a chemical imbalance and talking through it will not fix it, it will give coping mechanisms, but not a fix.
I think by last resort he means when other methods alone aren't enough, not waiting till your breaking point! That's how I saw it :) more as in medication shouldn't be the immediate first action before other methods have been attempted/tried or at least considered fully,- I totally agree medication is a life saver for people including myself and there's an anti med stigma "unnatural" "drugging yourself" etc
But I think he didn't mean it like that, and it's more that many many people are overprescribed, over treated, wrongly medicated etc especially in America :( and the treatment of mentally ill people in asylums with heavy unnecessary sedatives and hypnotics to just "shut them up" is very thematic and relevant in this video so I think that's the message here, of course don't wait till you're at breaking point
@Mary A. Pavliouk yes!! It's so individual and we also deserve a lot more research.
@@beththegreen it's less his intention and more how it came across, to me. I had the mentality of "medication is a last resort" for a long time and it was very negative to my overall health. That's why I felt compelled to leave a comment about the potential dangers of this mindset.
I appreciate what you’re trying to say here, but as a medical professional I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that psychiatric facilities are not (at all) like they are depicted in the movies.
Although Girl Interrupted takes place in, I think, the 60s; it is actually far better than a lot of facilities today.
I’m not sure if you’ve actually been inside a modern psychiatric facility in North America or Western Europe but they’re not that great. Only voluntary patients can leave against medical advice and, went to court ordered, a person really can’t leave when they want to at all. They can also be forced to take medications and have treatments that they have been ordered to do. And some of these medications can be given via injection. Court ordered antipsychotics and sedatives during an outburst, for example.
Under medical orders, people can be isolated and restrained. ECT (electro convulsive therapy aka electroshock therapy) is still a thing, although usually only used as a last resort in severe depression.
Whether psychiatric patient care is done in a refurbished beautiful old Victorian building or in a post-modern block building (there are plenty of hospitals in Western Europe that are not in modern buildings) and given names like “shady pines“ et cetera; The state of psychiatric care today is still a bit horrifying and a bit bleak and really rather prison like.
Not Arkham asylum and not like the horrible places where many unfortunate mentally disabled people were dumped up until the 1970s. But nowhere near as nice as the one in Girl Interrupted. In the United States, The poor rarely get to go to a “shady pines“. It’s not pretty. And for those inside against their will with serious psychotic illnesses, it can truly be nightmarish.
I 100% agree with this but I have to ask, what do you think is the solution in an life threatening situation? I of course acknowledge better mental health access, education, affordability, is the best prevention but what do you propose is done if a loved one is suicidal, like actually suicidal not suicidal ideation. It’s a horrible situation to be in and I completely understand how awful it is to be involuntarily kept beyond your will but also should we not as a society try to help people who are attempting their life?
I was going to add my own experience, a very lengthy reply. Accidentally deleted it though. And suffice to say that I triggered some trauma flashbacks from my time in the hospital, and I would rather not get stuck trauma dumping on your comment. Thank you for bringing this up, and as someone who's been threatened with indefinite inpatient during an episode and was stuck there for just under 2 weeks, I was crawling the walls to get out by the time I finally did. the only reason i was released was because my insurance denied the extended time. they don't care about you, they care about what your insurance will pay for. I will say though, that the movie girl interrupted did get some things right, like the camaraderie you feel with your fellow inpatients. I miss the friends I made, I don't miss the facility. I don't miss being treated like I was a 5 year old who couldn't be trusted because of their psychosis.
In the Netherlands (where I'm from and have experienced stays in crisis and longterm psychiatric facilities) it's the same. I have fortunately never experienced an involuntary admission, but I know people who have. You do get forced to have injections, and you do get put in isolation, and if the state orders you to be unfit to make decisions for your own safety, you almost have no practical rights. If you want to leave when you are voluntarily admitted you usually do still need a yes from a doctor, and they are allowed to do a screening and make your stay involuntary. You can also be deemed "not curable" (not any actual medical terms) which will keep you from getting any further help because you have not showed enough progress or have recuring episodes over long periods of times. I know there is more nuance in these issues but these are the outcomes some people have to deal with.
Administration is also almost never up to an actual usable standard. Things get lost and a lot of mistakes get made which is mostly because of lack of funding, manpower and general chaos under staff and company issues. Which for me made it hard to reclaim medical records when needed, or to on an insurrance level get things right and sorted.
So many of my fellow patients got sent home because of insurance not willing to pay, or because they out staid the amount of time that they had planned for them. Eventhough they still needed help.
I will say that most people I've met are actually there to help, and see you thrive. The staff working on the floor and with the patients are mostly extremely nice and try and make your time there less traumatic than could be. But fundementaly there is still a lot to change for the better. (Sorry if my spellings bad)
@@briannawaldorf8485 to be honest I believe in bodily autonomy and if someone wants to end their life, they should have that basic human right. Even family. I realize this is probably an unpopular opinion but it is how I feel. No one should be forced to live or die.
I was just getting ready to say the same thing. I, PERSONALLY, have been held against my will, twice. N I've definitely seen people tackled with syringes.
Another film that beautifully and heartbreakingly speaks to the same sentiments is "Tarnation", a documentary about an eccentric, creative, and - initially - perfectly sane woman whose parents, overwhelmed by her energy, have her committed in the 1970's. Directed by her son in a very raw visual style, it includes conversations with both his mother and her parents. It's a wonderful and equally disturbing indictment of the mental health industrial complex.
As someone who lives in north-western North Carolina I have heard horror stories about Broughton hospital. People would often use it as a joke, "Maybe they'd pay me to send you to Broughtons" and comments like that. I heard stuff like that growing up all the time because asylums, in general, have such negative connotations. People know the horrors that take place in those places but we turn a blind eye to them and that is the true horror. When good people do nothing, that's true terror.
Heyo WNC Ethical Horror Enthusiast Meet-up?!?
I grew up in Mitchell county and heard similar things. “I should take you to Broughton!” people would often joke. I’ve actually had a few friends who sought treatment there as well.
Back when I taught English to university students in Istanbul Turkey, there was a similar joke teachers would use about their infamous psychiatric hospital/prison called Bakirkoy. Whenever you felt that a student was acting "crazy", you mimicked picking up a phone, dialing it, and saying...."Hello, Bakirkoy Psychiatric Department for the Criminally Insane? Yeah...I have another for you! Please, come take it quickly!"
That's only 117miles from me on I-40
I grew up in Alexander and lived in Catawba county for years too. My friends parents worked there but I never knew much more than that about it. I do also remember the jokes and urban legend type stories that people shared though
Yeah, I feel like this glosses over/fails to highlight that the cause of mass de-institutionalization was due almost largely to severe budget cuts to government funded health programs, thanks Reagan, and the very negative impact that happened as a result. Facilities have not improved because funding is still not really there, and what happens when institutions get caught is that institutions learn better how to hide.
Yeah, but you see that would have required better research and broken his bias in this video so he didn't say anything on the topic. The hell happened to this guy? I used to love his videos but recently his takes are starting to feel like he's just pulling them straight out of the third ass chamber.
Reagan emptying the asylums was one of the worst things this country has ever done. People who are genuinely mentally ill to the degree that they need to be institutionalized don't need to be out in "normal" society, for lack of knowing a better term. It's not good for either party. Sick people need proper care, they don't need to be left to their own devices in an outside world that's not equipped to deal with their condition. It has done a number on Western civilization as a whole.
@John White That's because you've never done either.
@John White Do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
@John White They don't do that in mental hospitals either. Which you would know if you had ever been to one. Pretending to be homeless for social validation is pretty pathetic lmao
There is a pervasive and extremely deep running problem with all in-patient psychiatric treatment. Meaning the locked ward, whether you've ended up there voluntarily or not. It's the complete inability or unwillingness to scrutinies their methods and treatments to ensure that they in themselves don't cause reactions that can be confused with symptoms of mental health issues or amplify actual issues.
[edit] to clarify: I have myself been admitted to a locked psychiatric ward almost two decades ago.
Hey, good news. In some parts of the country we're getting no-lock wards. One of my buddies visited one for a week during a manic episode. They really appreciated the fact they were allowed to leave at any time if they wanted. But you're super right. Being locked in is really damaging.
@@WillowRat which country? Yeah, I understand some people need to be locked in. But most do not. It is really damaging. Jail/prison feels like an animal cage. Like I have no rights. Feeling like you need to be locked up cause you’re crazy doesn’t help… all because I went to get get help myself… it made me feel worse
Ever since I was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 7, I have always been afraid of ending up in a mental hospital because of how they're depicted in movies, TV shows, etc. I hate how Hollywood always portrays schizophrenics as violent, murderous animals. It needs to stop. Thank you for making this video.
Exactly this Sylvia! Some of the sweetest, most gentle, non-judgemental and lovely people I have ever known in my life were also diagnosed as schizophrenic. The people who were horrible about that are apparently “normal.”
Why do millenial and particularly whamen have such an urge to tell everybody how mentally ill they are, almost as if it was an award?
I have a history of depression and have been through short stays in an institution about 3 times…and honestly, there is more of a realism to these old tropes than the video seems to think…yes, the people who work at these places are certainly not overtly sadistic or anything. But “mental health” is hardly more advanced than it was. I’d been strapped down and injected with god knows what which knocked me out in seconds, I had a man follow me around much of the stay who kept pointing to “demons behind me”, and I received absolutely no bit of relief from my depression aside from the very down to earth, kind, people who were there as well and tbh MOST of the staff were generally nice people who spoke as equals. But none of the medication, “therapeutic exercises”, isolation, or any of that helped whatsoever.
I’m happy to say the long clinical depression I struggled with has subsided a few years ago and I believe It started with relating to the other people I met in those places who were often very intelligent, very impressive people who might have intimidated me in the real world, but in that place, having meals and free time together, we got to have such deep and honest conversations and we were able to talk and listen to each other respectfully and that gave me a better understanding of myself and of people with “disorders” in general…I learned that this social stigma is only what we make it and yes some cases require medication and other things, but your humanity should never be in question and you should never ever accept being defined by some so-called mental health “illness” which is just another example of how poorly the language of psychology is to this very day. Just as people are unfairly cheapened when defined by what work they do, it’s even far more unfair to be defined by some aspect of our self that is made unnecessarily powerful because of a misguided attempt to help by those trained in a very primitive and underdeveloped “science” when compared to say, the far more capably diagnostic categories of fields such as the majority of the medical and natural sciences, which is also why psychiatric care is so ineffective when it comes to treatment. But there are outpatient treatments for forms of schizophrenia if it is interfering with your ability to live your life which can makes things more manageable without subjective yourself to the lack of rights and awful power dynamic very much in place to this day in the so called mental health system.
Personally, I feel the entire field needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, including the very assumption of what the purpose of this field is. The DSM, aka the bible of psychology is updated every few years and lists all the current “disorders” and descriptions of the “sick”.
I seriously doubt you were diagnosed with Schizophrenia at 7. Schizophrenia very, VERY rarely is diagnosed during childhood. It doesn’t present until you’re at least a teenager. If you’re going to fake having a disorder, at least fucking get your facts straight.
Surprised you were diagnosed so young. Usually that does not happen till the person is in his/her 20’s. I am sorry you were diagnosed so young and that this diagnosis followed you and did not allow you to be who you are and not just a diagnosis.
You mention A Scanner Darkly as being part of the DID trope, but if anything that movie is more about psychosis related to drug use. Philip K. Dick was a heavy abuser of amphetamines and from my own past I instantly recognized a lot of the personality issues and side effects from extreme abuse of drugs.
I think Black Swan is also attempting to represent some sort of general psychosis rather than DID - maybe it was mentioned in the movie or an interview or something, and in that case, I'm wrong, but I honestly don't appreciate the entire point of Nina's inner conflict representing the dynamic between the black and white swan being described simply as a bad representation of DID.
It's also worth mentioning that I don't see Nina as a host with an alter, the "black swan" side of her is not a whole other persona with their own traits, it's simply her dark side. There's so much to talk about with Black Swan, regarding losing one's grip on reality and being consumed by a passion, and yeah, again, I didn't like how it was just lumped into a montage of bad DID representation.
Also, I always saw Gollum's "two personalities" as a representation of his inner conflict - maybe audiences did associate that part of his character with DID, and that's wrong if that's the case, but I personally never made the association. Again, it ties so much into Gollum's narrative throughout the movies that I don't think it's fair to include in a montage like that.
These portrayals deserve to be discussed more in depth, in my opinion, maybe he should've made the list shorter and spent more time on each example? I just wasn't a fan of the implications throughout that segment.
Yeah, I didn't remember A Scanner Darkly being about DID at all, just drug use etc. I haven't watched it in a while but when he said that I was very confused lol. I never assumed there was anything other than drugs being a thing.
As someone who suffers from different mental illnesses and whose closest friends and family suffer mentally as well - several far worse than myself - I think that things have absolutely improved from the 70s... but not by much. Yes, you won't have understaffed filthy buildings with people in rags being eaten alive by parasites, but you still have the rooms of solitude with zero things to do. You still have doctors who will medicate you and, if the drug reacts badly, will absolutely refuse to remove you from it. My mother was on a mood stabilizer that only exacerbated her issues. She told her doctor it was making her worse and the doctor always told her "just give ot more time, you're overreacting." This went on for 6 months and only ended after a suicide attempt leading to her getting an emergency doctor's appointment on a day her regular doctor was unavailable - and this new doctor freaked out seeing my mother's state and immediately had her removed from the drug and had her transfered to another doctor. The previous physician, whose incompetence nearly led to my mother's death, was later given a promotion and still works in the field to this day. My best friend, at the age of 9, was going to be committed to a hospital where the patients have no internet or TV access (because it could "exacerbate patient's already poor mental health"), no access to art supplies or toys because they could be used for self harm, no access to books because "well, the patients may damage them," esentially leaving the patients in a bland empty room with a bed and a window and nothing else. He was going to be committed for **checks notes** having, then untreated, ADHD. He lied to the assessors as so not to be committed. My experience has never been nearly as horrifying; my experience was more of a disinterest from professionals. All throughout my childhood I displayed traits of severe bipolar disorder, depression, and social angsiety. In speaking to my school counsilers, they attributed all of my problems to being a little overweight. Yep. I don't excersise; excersise releases positive chemicals in your brain. Try out sports. Oh, you don't like sports, partially because you have severe anxiety (which I was just told)? Just do it anyway. It was that, or being patronized - being a middle schooler where councilors would play board games or use puppets like you're a child. Or facilities being nice to you on the phone when you call asking for help only to curtly and coldly tell you they can't help you before immediately hanging up the moment they learn they don't cover your insurance. It's taken me a long time to find doctors I trust, though I am still pretty cynical towards the institution as a whole. It's incredibly telling that, with the overturning of Roe v Wade, the people in power care more about the safety of *fetuses* than actual conscious people.
Growing up as a mentally ill teen, I was all too aware of how being too honest about my feelings with the wrong people could get me locked in a psych ward. In a way, that threat kept me safe but it was still using fear and the threat of force to control my behavior
There are certainly some takes in this video I don't agree with, but overall the video is an interesting dive into the trope of insane asylums in horror media. Very well put together overall.
That bit about batman felt so strange, I've gotta agree with this.
That's the problem with almost of his videos, I'll be enjoying it for 40 mins then he'll make a really bizarre pop culture take that is very weird and completely takes me out of the video. Like his bit about medication being a last resort and Johnny Depp being evil, like I don't need your idiotic hot takes dude. Like in that one video where he says the protagonist of Shadows of the Damned has the most stereotypical Hispanic name possible when it's not EVEN a very stereotypical name AT ALL. This is why he'll always be a "ehh I'll watch that when I have nothing else left, rather then something I immediately have to watch.
@@eddietruett I'm glad I wasn't the only one who picked up on that. I completely agree, I'll find this guy's stuff fascinating, then he'll toss out a suckerpuch of a comment that takes me right out of the video. Something similar happened to me during the Nick Cage video, so I know it's not a one-off
"Johnny Depp gaslit the world into thinking Amber Heard was mentally unstable"
fucking lmao no, we all came to that conclusion very easily ourselves
@@neilorourke71 I know dude also like WTF is he supposed to do with his career on the line?
There are few topics more terrifying than losing one's grip on reality; incarceration against ones wishes; not being believed; and altering your perception with medications. We can all relate to these fears, even those who have never had experience of the mental health system. That it can be necessary to face these fears in order to get real help makes it all the more terrifying and thematically rich for horror films. It's such a shame that the vast majority of asylum horror reduces this to "crazy people bad; doctors scary". Excellent video... watched it all in one go.
I appreciate the points he made about dehumanizing the mentally ill and making therapy seem scary but I think there’s more nuance to it than how it’s presented in this video. As a person who has been to two separate psych wards ( with the understanding that they very widely upon location) I can say that my experience was not a net positive. The entire process was dehumanizing, many of the staff was not compassionate (with the understanding they were probably overworked), I did not receive more than one visit with an actual doctor each time and only for about 15-30 min each time and the most each visit did for me was put in me a place in which I could not harm myself for a few days which is valuable but I came out of it traumatized. I have many friends who have had similar or worse experiences. On my first discharge a staff member said to me “stay out of these places”, which felt firstly kind of invalidating to my struggles and secondly a kind of admission that she knew is the ward sucked lol. I could expand on this forever but I just think there’s a lot more work that needs to be done and a lot of these places still are kind of horrifying
Also at least in America, if you are sent to a psychiatric facility against your will, either to prevent you from harming yourself or others, you are lead away in handcuffs. This did not happen to me only because the officer who took me broke protocol, I was most likely given this privilege because I am young, a cis woman, conventionally attractive and white. I was however, forced to ride in a cop car down the busiest street in the town I grew up in slouched in the back because the officer had left my window half down. I cannot imagine how I would have been treated if I posed any perceived threat to the police officer. I was lucky
I really hope he reads the comments from his followers who have been institutionalized in the last 3 decades. Its not net good. Therapy and outpatient treatment is extremely different and is often extremely helpful. I have been in and out of treatment for bipolar disorder for almost a decade. I have experienced many of the struggles of mental health care in America and inpatient treatment is by far the most lacking
I really hope he reads the comments from his followers who have been institutionalized in the last 3 decades. Its not net good. Therapy and outpatient treatment is extremely different and is often extremely helpful. I have been in and out of treatment for bipolar disorder for almost a decade. I have experienced many of the struggles of mental health care in America and inpatient treatment is by far the most lacking
@Chloe Lastname after disclosing suicidal ideation to a school counselor I was later on the same day led out from the middle of a class by cops and driven to the hospital in the back of a police car (all in front of my peers as a 7TH GRADER) unfortunately it's a common thread that you'll be treated as if you're a criminal in these situations
@@chloelastname3184 Or the cop was just a nice person or you were acting calm. It's not always your looks.
I can't even imagine how long it must have taken to research, watch all these films, write the script, edit, everything. What a massive undertaking, and accomplished so well. Thank you for all the work you did to put this together, it's extremely well done.
This December It’ll be four years since I had to be involuntarily admitted to a psychiatric institution and spent some weeks locked up there. Waking up tied, completely unaware of where (or when) you are has to be one of the scariest things that can happen to anyone. Add to that the confusion and haziness of the sedatives, a monstrous thirst and hangover and the pain on my wrists, raw flesh exposed from struggling so much when I was handcuffed. I remember I had grass, small pebbles and shards of glass stuck between my lower lip and gums that I had to push out of my mouth with my tongue, because I was restrained.
Sleep came and went, and eventually I realized I was not in jail, but institutionalized and under medical supervision. Fuck, even today psychiatrics hospitals are scary. The one thing that was different from the movies were the caretakers. They were really nice and so, so SO calm. I don’t know if they’re just used to it all, completely jaded or super professional… it was my fellow internees at first who were a nightmare. Some threatened me and tried to fight, some tried to fondle me, some talk and keep talking and you just can’t make sense of what they’re trying to convey. Some stare, some avoided me, some screamed if I made accidental eye contact. As this video says, the initial impression is of shock, of fear, but you slowly realize that you are among people who are as confused and medicated as you, and that what you think, do, look or say may be as confusing, shocking or scary to them.
Months after being released I had a hard time focusing. It seemed impossible to engage in long conversations. At the time, I was sure the damage was permanent. To date I surprise myself becoming irrationally upset, and small details, even pictures or hearing tones of voice and words that I associate with those times can trigger my discomfort. I am not always able to ignore it, it is always uncomfortable, but its becoming increasingly bearable and these events are becoming rarer.
Nowadays? I feel sort of normal. A bit bored, but thankful, alive. I can’t guarantee that “it gets better” - life still sucks, but it is we who change, who eventually learn to deal more intelligently with all this bullshit.
So do you think media portrayals of asylums were harmful to you, and does it make you mad to see them still used? Or do they not matter much to you?
@@theofficialvernetheturtley338 my situation is different from those in the United States... so I wouldn't say that media was harmful, but it did influence it a bit when I was younger. Not mad to see them used in horror - I am able to distinguish my entertainment from real life.
So I work with a lot of folks who are caretakers in hospitals and those folks are some of the kindest people I know.
Moon Knight was actually much more supportive of DID with its delivery and conclusion. As a person with DID myself, I’ve come into contact with alters that I love like brothers and other alters that I outright suppress out of fear so seeing both sides of that coin in a story about DID is very comforting and more relatable for me. I myself really related to when Marc left his peaceful utopia to save Steven, because I have always found more comfort in hearing their voices beside me in difficult times… much like Steven and Marc.
I LOVED the way Moon Knight handled DID. I don't think I've ever seen it depicted in media as something that can be a positive and comforting experience. It was great to see Steven and Marc learn to love each other.
Aww that’s nice!
Moon Knight has had some mixed depictions in the comics, which is likely more what was coloring his sorta indirect comment on Moon Knight. I'd personally argue that even in the comics, Moon Knight is probably the best example of a character with mental health traumas in mainstream superhero media.
some runs have been TERRIBLE about it, especially the awful Bendis/Maleev run. others, such as the Bemis/Burrows run have been far more sympathetic (and also brought his oft-overlooked Judaism to the forefront in a very earnest way). the current series has also been pretty understanding (from what I have read a few months ago, and recall).
I say this as a long time fan of the character (though someone without DID) that it is definitely a checkered history. he is perhaps the most violent Marvel "hero" ever, though one could attribute much of that brutality to him being a former mercenary with a literal god breathing down his neck 24/7, telling him to do shit.
I agree entirely. Moon Knight depicts DID with kindness and you can tell the writers really worked with the director to not give the stereotypical, overwhelming depiction usually used in media. They obviously did their research.
I’m not actually sure that the primary image of therapy is this hospital idea. I think when you say ‘therapy’, most people think of sitting on a leather couch while someone with glasses and a framed degree scribbles down notes silently, before making a vaguely inspiring comment about some theme.
@Pandastical Yeah. People who are in that world today, patients & doctors alike (I've been a mental health patient for the last 14 yrs, & prior to that as a young child. The actual way the system works, still too often bares zero resemblance to what we see in films & TV. It's an antiquated representation, & needs to be updated to reflect the actual structure of the system.
I really love this channel and I tend to rewatch stuff on here fairly often. But I have to say, the weird personal takes on things are really distracting. Like the Johnny Depp comment really came out of nowhere and took me out of the video.
I love the content and really do enjoy what you're doing but there's been a few videos where recently where you've made a completely bizarre comment and it's made me not want to watch the rest of the video.
I'm a nobody at the end of the day and no one has to listen to me. I'm just saying, it's the only thing that's kind of putting me off this channel lately.
Dude I was thinking the same thing! Like it just came out of nowhere and left me questioning it I was liking the video until that point
Idk, it seemed he was bringing up recent trend about the topic at hand that we would be aware of as the audience. This happens often in video essays, atleast the ones I watch.
Edit: but I could see how it could bring people out of the video considering so many people seem to disagree with his point.
Two years ago I stayed at a psych ward briefly. Shortly after I watched Terminator 2 for the first time. I was jealous of Sarah Connor. She had a room to herself! I didn't get that, despite my psychiatrist telling the psych ward I needed one, despite the doctors in the ward understanding I needed one. How can people be expected to get better if they don't even have the most basic privacy? Who ever thought that two or more mentally disturbed strangers sharing a room would be a good idea? I didn't even have a curtain.
I have a love/hate relationship with this genre of horror. I was nearly put in one as a toddler and worked hard to be as independent as possible so I could live a normal life so I have this odd fear of being in a place like that. But I also can't help but be fascinated, because a lot of what people did, would do, would never enter my brain. It shows an ugly side of humanity, in the form of institutional corruption, and a lack of understanding for patients along with the mundane type of evils. After all, a person can only afford to care so much about their job, never mind if a person's life is at stake.
That being said, it is still much more of a problem than you think it is. Just because the architecture is updated, and these 'troubled people' are being sent to other places, sometimes internationally, that does not mean that there isn't a problem in psychiatric care. This industry has been rife with abuse as long as there is someone to make a buck. There are still stories of places like bedlam being discovered and investigated. The troubled teen industry, gay conversion therapy, and medical experimentation should paint a picture.
I am only in my mid 30's. I dodged being institutionalized only shy of 30 years ago. And I can name two friends in my life that were committed and had a hellish experience of their own.
Excellent work offering some very valuable insights. One of my 2 best friends is was diagnosed as schizoaffective. This was a gentle natured person who didn't have a violent bone in his body (seemingly, to his loved ones). We watched the decline of his mental health over a significant period, leading to a full psychotic break, during which he attacked his father (w/a knife to the back), which ultimately resulted in him being sent to the Riker's Island "Psych Ward" in NY. This facility's reputation is notoriously well known & documented. The area he spent a year confined to was an open dorm setting, w/rows of beds, no cells. That however, was where the differences between general population & "Psych" ended. The people w/whom he was housed, were equally, if not often MUCH more dangerous than those in the regular prison. They were murderers, serial rapists & everything else that you'd find in general population, only with the added dangers associated w/their respective forms of psychosis. My friend was corrupted there (I don't know for sure what happened) & was never the same after being released. Luckily, a good lawyer helped to have his charge reduced from attempted murder, to a lesser charge (I believe it was aggravated assault w/a deadly weapon, 1st degree? Not certain) and thankfully he only did the one year there. My friend told me he has NO recollection of his crime, & it was something that happened during a blackout (he was already on antipsychotic meds which are dangerous & unpredictable) & everybody, including his Dad who was the person stabbed, & myself believe him emphatically. He didn't deserve the experience he had. As a result, he has severe White Coat Syndrome, & despises doctors & hospitals. Anyways, I just felt that this comment section might be a decent place to share such an experience & maybe just vent my own personal frustrations w/modern healthcare & mental illness for a moment. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read this lengthy post, & please be well.
I feel like I need to share this after watching this video. My dad used to work with "Developmentally Disabled" kids. he would get bitten, kicked, punched, and even once strangled by them. He never seemed to care and even went out of his way to advocate for them in their school and family life. He passed away this last year, but his example of kindness still sticks with me. I miss him dearly but I try to live by his example of compassion
I came across your channel a few months ago and can't get enough. Judging by your videos, topics, and amazingly written episodes you're a fellow after my own heart. Your videos have lately become an awesome inspiration for learning how to write and edit my videos so thank you! I started about 5 months ago and love doing it so far. The youtube horror community has been so inviting and supportive. Thanks man, keep them videos coming! - SLD
as far as medication goes, for me it was a literal lifesaver. for a while my dosage kept going up and i was at a point where i developed hypomanic episodes from a surplus of serotonin. in a normal amount , however, im so glad i can still use it. i know for some people a lot of medications just will not work even if it should.. even for me some side effects stayed (with the hypomania and all) but i think we are in a time where we learn and change a lot of things and there is a growing system of help. if anything, i am more grateful for my medication and my therapist, than my actual psychiatric doctors. a lot of them do the job because it is very 'fancy' and high paying. if you get a good one, its a lucky day. a lot of them do fall back on infantilizing you and treating you like a criminal (and i live in a very modern well developed country with a great healthcare system.)
Just gonna casually assert that the entire JD/AH trial was about "fame, spite, and money," then move on without unpacking any of that massive can of Hot Take Worms. Whewboy.
Overall, this video is great at talking about the history of the Asylums (like the title says), however I do not agree with your personal views on how they should be portrayed in media. I have been into a mental institute through emergencies and I didn't feel lied to by medias, of course I also didn't fully believed everything shown to me in them. But in the end yes there are crazy people like there are normal ones. I had a person yelling prayers and crying for Jesus all night long without any staff coming in. Also had a squad of officers being around a single man cause he was saying he wasn't psychotic. Yes things aren't as bad as they used to be, but we're still far from living in peace either.
To get back on the portrayals themselves in media, I hadn't known people truly believed movies and such until you mentioned that one case with Split. To me and many other people I know, these are products of fiction and in no way represent real life, hell the dude climbs onto walls and turns into a "beast" so to claim the rest of it like it is real life is very out there.
Thank you for putting in that last piece of audio at the end. It honestly was and still is one of my favorite conclusions to a video. It's so heart warming after everything that was presented in the rest of the video
I feel like including Moonknight as a "bad" depiction of DID shows a lack of knowledge both in the subject of DID and the the show itself.
The comics are one thing but the show was a very good large step in the right direction.
-a person with DID
This is exactly what I was thinking, and I'm shocked I had to scroll this far to see someone mention it. I don't think it's fair at all to lump it in with all the other examples. To me it feels like a far more tasteful show of DID than other depictions I've seen in media, and I was kinda baffled that he used it as an example when it practically aligns with everything he described it as being.
I mean, it’s better that how other superhero media has handled DID, but that bar is so low it’s practically in the ground.
I’ve heard other people with DID criticize it by how the visual shorthands it uses for DID create misinformation about DID and (spoilers) how it does end up having a DID character that appears to love violence and murder, which is one of those common negative stereotypes.
I’d blame a lot of that on a dearth of accurate popular knowledge of DID or dissociation in general, and Moon Knight being Moon Knight. Even at his best, he’s still a murderer, and what happens is a far cry from peeling someone’s face off like in the comics.
I was in a psych ward for about a month when I was 23. They put me in a room with a woman who had suffered severe trauma and was so afraid of the dark that she screamed whenever the light in the room was switched off (so every night). I asked a staff member if the light could be left on so that I could get some sleep but no luck. I also took a swing at a nurse because she kept talking to me like I was 5. Apparently she didn't like that so I was isolated until they realized I was just fed up and sleep deprived. The patients were really nice though. Some of the sweetest people with the best sense of humor I'd ever met.
I think Moon Knight did a good job with it's depiction of a mental hospital. Instead of it being a place of outright horror, it was a way for Mark's mind to organize and represent the abstract feelings he was fighting through. His enemy was the doctor, yes, but his performance and language (thanks mainly to the impeccable Ethan Hawk) is sensitive, and he comes across as genuinely trying to help Mark, despite the wider context of the story. The video game The Darkness 2 does this as well. When he suffers deadly injury, the Darkness traps Jackie in a fake mental hospital. It's a tragic torture, as Jackie is ripped from the violent world he knows and given a glimpse of a place that is quiet, peaceful, and full of people who are genuinely trying to help him and make him comfortable. I love these parts off the game because it shows mental health and the facilities that treat it more sensitively than other media, and adds to the characterization of The Darkness as it torments it's host with a dream of the potential of peace and comfort.
It should be noted, from a presentation standpoint, neither the book nor film version of Fight Club really suggests that the narrator has DID. Instead if you follow it closely it shows many of the hallmarks of Schizophrenia. At first he is showing signs of paranoia in particular about Marla appearing at the same support groups as him causing him fear exposure as a fake, the fear is legitimate but the degree of fear shows some level of paranoia. Now for those unfamiliar with the story I will provide a break in case of spoilers.
Continuing, the appearance of Tyler Durden at first is a hallucination, a figure created by the narrator as a fantasy of an ideal figure free from the limitations he has placed upon himself. Later he begins to have delusional episodes where he acts as Tyler while thinking he is watching Tyler act. Tyler is less an alter and more a fantasy gone haywire. The psychogenic amnesia the narrator suffers may be drug induced as he is known to suffer from insomnia and to some extent narcolepsy and depending upon the drugs he is taking, could have been triggering bouts of amnesia for years before he really started to notice. Finally we never actually learn the narrator's name which led me to the assumption that his name is in fact Tyler Durden and the external character is a form of intense depersonalization disorder coupled with hallucinations and delusions likely stemming from undiagnosed schizophrenia combined with insomnia and drug abuse.
None of this is to justify the fact that it is still about a psychologically affected individual acting in a decidedly villainous way, and of course all subsequent follow-ups to the novel destroys any kind of realistic diagnosis completely. In summary I don't feel Tyler Durden is a result of DID but it is far more complicated to try to explain what is actually going on with him in the story.
no one has DID, multiple personalities are not a thing , its hollywood and tumblr make believe
Fight Club never provides any explicit medical diagnosis other than insomnia to describe the causes of the main character's condition. I think this was a deliberate choice because the story is fundamentally not about mental illness. Dissociation and hallucinations are just devices to explore the real themes of masculinity, sexuality and fulfillment in modern life, they're ways to explore different aspects of identity, not gauche depictions of real conditions real people face. Everyone compares themselves to an idealized, perfect version of what they wish they were, Fight Club illustrates a universal, internal struggle.
I've been in a few, my mom was in a few. Believe me, unless you have a lot of money for fancy private care facility, which still can be bad, they are really nothing nice. It can quickly become a nightmare if you say or do the wrong thing.
There are still many places where people are being Horrifically Abused because there are sadists who work there knowing that nobody will advocate for the victims. It happens in convalescent hospitals too.
I made the mistake of seeking help once. Showed me that my rights really didn't mean anything and that nothing has changed in the last hundred years. Mental health care is a nightmare, at least my experience was. I'll gladly go to jail any day or the morgue for that matter before ever subjecting myself to that again.
If you don't mind me asking, what was your experience?
@@kiwi_bird being kidnapped and never knowing if i would get out of that place. they were messing with people, i only saw the "doctor" for 5 mins and he just wrote some things down and left me wondering what the hell was going on. it was a nightmare.
Every video that has historical context makes me thankful that I was born at the time that I was. Medieval medical practices are true horror.
Great video, but I do think you muddy your points a few times. In particular, as someone who has been on an SSRI for 5+ years, I'm not at all sure I would agree that it should always be a last resort. I used to be so anxious I could barely function - post-SSRI, I feel so much more functional, and my life has immeasurably improved. Just my own experience, for sure, but worth considering.
All in all, though, great video - just thought some nuance got washed away in the general points being made!
i was in an in patient mental health hospital for only a few days when i was 17. i was luckily able to leave after talking to my mom about the environment there but most children are not as lucky. there were kids there who were stuck for extended periods of time with no actually helpful resources. we have come a long way but mental health hospitals still exist as a way to hide people away so society doesnt have to think about them. it is genuinely heartbreaking what people will allow to happen in these places
An ex girlfriend of mine had DID. Last I've heard of her she was doing very well, was very stable and rarely switching.
When we met however, in a mental hospital, it was quite different. First off, I only learned of her DID after she switched right in front of me when we were talking about video games and I unknowingly mentioned something that turned out to be a trigger for her.
She later told me she was afraid to tell me about her condition and possible triggers because she thought I'd be scared of her and avoid or leave her.
That other personality would look at surrounding people with a hateful expression, say horribly offensive things to hurt people (which was in stark contrast to the friendly, progressive and accepting person she is), and do and say a lot of things that were straight from insensitive cliches and caricatures of the mentally troubled.
She has always watched a lot of sensational shows about killers and true crime and I sincerely believe that the horrendous depictions of her own illness in these shows and mainstream movies have severely influenced her self imagine consciously and subconsciously even further during times of hardship.
While her experience is a overall hopeful one with how happy and stable she was able to become, I think it could have been so much better and easier if every fucking movie and show didn't portray these regular people as violent maniacs to be feared.
It is so refreshing to hear a non woman speak up about the inherent tie of misogyny and the mistreatment/stigma of the mentally ill
1:03:19 Johnny Depp gaslit Amber Heard? What trial did you watch? I enjoy your videos but you have some twisted opinions dude. Not just on this video.
Oh god, out of curiosity, what other questionable takes has he had
I was baker acted and discharged from a mental hospital recently. That timing has really made me appreciate how much this video really needed to exist.
Thank you.
I wish I could say what you said about treatments no longer being how they are depicted in media don't happen anymore - but they do. My aunt died in a psych ward of hepatitis after another patient bit her and nobody bothered to check on her for a long, long time. Parents can have kids committed against their will and many times, social ideas lead to patients not being believed if they discuss abuse they suffered at the hands of their captors. Often their silence is bought with threats of further incarceration or promises of worse happening. Not every ward is like this, but many still are. More than a few of my friends ended up requiring abortions after being committed. Help, in America you can still easily send kids to "conversion camps" and "rehab ranches" in spite of the massively high abuse rate and 50% suicide rates. If you say these things never happen any more, nobody will believe patients to whom this does still happen. And patients will be more easily cowed into staying silent. Also in America it's legal to use punitive electrical shocks well in excess of the highest allowed to be used on cattle, on autistic people. Don't believe me? Look it up. #stoptheshock
I voluntarily committed to a rehab that was also a mental crisis treatment center, and based on my experiences there, it's a fucking joke that they're able to operate. Centerstone in Brandenton, FL. I came there genuinely trying to find some kind of guidance and better myself as an alcoholic and left feeling like I'm only seen as a charity case who only deserves sympathy and not empathy. I met some really good people there, and tbh the best employees there were one or two of the nurses who had been through shit themselves and understood us. The practicing doctor in charge of my wing tried to gaslight me several times to stay longer, it was incredibly suspicious because it was never concern for my well being, it was concern for me not "completing the program." The way upper administration treated us as addicts or mentally ill people with a substance abuse issue I feel especially bad for the people there who are getting "psychiatric care." Being there I met some of the nicest people, but yet it was one of the worst overall experiences I've had in my entire life.
I love your videos!
Could you please do a video on this topic?
The History of Pregnancy in the horror genre, such as:
Women getting impregnated by aliens.
Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction.
A woman giving birth to a demonic child.
A woman carrying a baby for an evil cult.
Even men getting impregnated by an otherworldly seductress.
Alien vs Predator: Requiem and Slither are all levels of wrong. Don't forget about Buffy The Vampire Slayer and The X-Files.
There are some horror stories that show a betrayed woman turning into an alien mother as a form of women empowerment. Is this problematic?
(For anyone who reads this, I would like to know your thoughts)
I think this is a good topic to discuss since it shows how scary being pregnant can be, also the male pregnancy can be seen as how men are ignorant about the hell women go through to give birth to a child. So having them go through the same thing is great.
Also everything made by kitty horrorshow
Horror and pregnant women are one of the reasons I did not have kids.. lol...q
Rape as a plot device is something we collectively have to hate on.
I too would like this for scientific reasons.
I was voluntarily committed when my depression got out of control. Spent the weekend learning what was wrong with me, coloring, and talking to the staff. We (the patients) made brownies with a therapist. It was a hard time in my life; but the hospital was just that - a hospital. Please don't be afraid if you need help, it will be ok.
1:03:16
Oof, and this video was going so well, too…
Yeah i agree that part really caught me off gaurd
I dont think he ever went out of his way to depict her as mentally unstable, nor did he sue her out of spite and for money
There was a legal agreement that she would stop talking about him and she balantly broke said agreement, thats when he sued her
She herself came off as mentally unstable based on her own actions and the observations of many people *aside* from Johnny
I'm glad someone pointed that out.... AH was an abuser and she was wrong, but I don't want to go into details and start a fight with people who didn't even watch the full trial lol
After watching the Bedlam part, I now understand why mental hospitals have such a bad rep. I think it’s still a bit overused as a trope, and perpetuates some pretty bad stereotypes about the mentally ill.
Disregarding history because some parts of it are problematic is itself not cool.
The narrative depictions of torturous asylums are so prevalent because they existed, and did so for centuries.
I frankly don't mind them that much. If the portrayals aren't accurate and accentuate artistic projects while also being culturally memorable, then use them. Those who actually go into state hospitals would have nothing to worry about once they see it's safe. No harm, no foul.
personally as someone who was in a psych ward the portrayal is truth. it’s not as bad as it was back in older times, but psych patients are still treated as subhuman. that treatment consistently often makes you as the patient believe that yourself and go a bit crazy.
@@planescaped my point and the point made in the video is that portraying modern mental institutions as the same as the ones in the 1300’s is inaccurate, often dehumanizing, and scares people away from getting help.
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 and a point well made, absolutely devastating that this is the reality (as a victim of the institution)
@In Praise of Shadows this might be the video you want to edit or do an apology for, because your take on the state of mental care currently is just disconnected from reality, wishful thinking at best, verging on misinformative propaganda at worst. I got as far as the part in the video where you extol the virtues of modern mental health facilities and had to stop. My wife was comitted against her will in college, after confiding she’d had suicidal thoughts(but not particularly the will to act on them) to her psychiatrist. They had her committed and she said it was the worst experience of her life, humiliation on top of discomfort and invasion of privacy. She’s said she’ll never tell a mental health professional if she’s ever has suicidal thoughts again because of the experience. The experience didn’t help her in any way and only traumatized her after she’d already been traumatized. She only got out because she quickly learned to lie and tell them what they wanted to hear rather then the truth. This was 2008 in the United States, Maryland to be more specific and point out that it’s not a “backwards” state.
If you ever want to revisit this, I worked at the Kalamazoo Psychiatric Hospital for 5 years, and have close friends and contacts who have been employed there for 30+ years. From Social workers, to psychologists and psychiatrists, to Residential Care Aides, we can tell you stories that will chill you to the bone. I had to quit after 5 years and go on anti-anxienty medication, and was so depressed I basically didn't leave my apartment for almost a year, before I got my shit back together. (Years behind me now, I got my shit together, spend 4 years in the Army, which I found WAY less stressfull than working in a psych hospital lol, even when deployed, and now have a successfully Cybersec career and wife and family... but man, you see some stuff like, someone removing their own, um, "ball" from his "sack" using a plastic fork because it was "making him gay", and having to put it into a plastic bag for the doctors when they wheeled him out to the actual medical wing for surgery... you never quite get over that.
I find so sad and weird and horrifying and kinda funny the fact that most people when talking about their work in psych institutions, their most traumatizing stories are about people removing from and/or inserting in things to their bodies...
I'm really confused by the Johnny Depp comment? Care to elaborate? Otherwise, fantastic video.
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This is a great resource if you need clarity.
Yeah I agree.
I’m offended. He appears to be trying to gaslight me
Fr that made him sound really dumb in anotherwise good video
I'm also curious. I am pretty sure Depp didn't try to make Herd look crazy out of spite. That's a pretty short sighted summary of the court case. I guess time will tell if you're right, but it doesn't appear correct. She is not crazy, but she's definitely an awful person by all actions we "know of."
I haven't been seen what inside a mental institution is like, but last November my dad who is sick from health issues and is very weak was forced to stay at a hospital in NJ. It had been years since I saw him so I stayed for a year to take care of him since he has dialysis, it's horrible to watch someone you love so sick. To make things short, he was forced to stay and thought he was suicidal (he never has been) they took away his belongings and phone, i was left alone and depressed at the room we rent since his side of the family offered no help to him or me, i was living with unknown men and would only remain in my room for two weeks. For half a week I had no news of my dad since the staff from the hospital couldn't even give me one sign if he was okay. I suffer from depression so those days I was alone was awful since I missed my dad, I don't own a car so the only way to visit him would be a 8pm. Days went by and he was released from the place he was taken and into a normal patient room. I want to say normal since my dad said he was treated horribly, staff would ignore him and someone in another room far from him wouldn't stop screaming day and night, i arrived the day he was released from that place , first thing we did was hug and cry for minutes. I had never seen my dad so sad and disheveled. I hate hospitals since they'll treat anyone who's "insane" very horrible and be neglectful to those who need help.
Did you watch the trial? Heard made herself look crazy. I would have left that part out. Also, horror movies centered around mental asylums can be awesome. How many movies have people getting killed in the woods or something, but that doesn't stop people from camping.
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Only 49:00 through and blown away. Just when I think you have covered everything their could be on the subject you present more and more information. I have shared on FB and with friends. Keep up the good work!!!
1:03:18 bro????
Having heard your comments in other videos regarding this topic, I’ve been anticipating this video. So glad it’s as long as it is.
Glad you’re back. Asylums have always been terrifying to me, especially in horror settings.
I did my senior thesis on Bedlam ,along with a psychoanalysis of characters of "one flew over the cuckoos nest." Madness is fascinating, but our " cure " for it, even more so
What an exceptional video. Great and important work.
I have worked as a social worker in a clinic for addicts, where many patients had multiple diagnosis besides their addiction (chronic or drug infused Schizophrenia, Depression, Paranoia etc.) I now work as a drug counselor in a German prison for adults. We have come a long way but there are still so many moments, when theses people are not treated as humans but as "problems".
Thank you for this video. Even if I cried multiple times viewing it =)
We had the “glass of orange juice guy” urban legend in suburban Baltimore. Our version had it as a drug dealer carrying a bunch of LSD, chased by cops through the rain. The rain soaked his pockets and he unintentionally overdosed on all the LSD he was carrying. This resulted in the ongoing orange juice belief and his need for hospitalization.
I also had this one but I feel like it came from somewhere like a very poorly written sensationalised news paper article
I think everybody heard of the orange juice guy in childhood, I heard he was afraid someone would drink him.
The Snake Pit is one of my favorite films of all time and I'm so glad you touched upon what makes it great. Thanks for an awesome video!
It baffles me that people often confuse professional pharmacists and the pharmaceutical industry that they are dismissed as sources of guidance: we are not glorified store clerks. We can easily provide counselling regarding medications because we KNOW them inside out, even more than doctors to whom prescribing has become habit. It may seem that pharmacists are not part of your medical team in a healthcare setting, but that's because we've been largely invisible in the medical pop culture, and because pharmaceutics have been treated as magic. They're not. I do not know how things are in wherever country you're from, but you should be able to seek guidance, at least when it comes to medication. That's why they are there.
Note: depending on the locale, laws may differ on when pharmacy technicians are also allowed to provide counsel, as opposed to just the actual pharmacist.
I was lucky enough to get an experienced pharmacist when I walked into the pharmacy recently. She noticed the doctor had prescribed the wrong medication and could give me the name of what I needed so I could get him to rewrite the prescription. 👍
I ask my pharmacists questions all the time. I'm on a complicated medication regimen due to transplant, so I have a lot of stuff that interacts and has to be taken at different times of day, with/without other meds etc. I can count on a pharmacist catching when the doc prescribes something in a toxic dose or contraindicated.
I was really enjoying this video till the part where you accused Johnny Depp of gaslighting
Yeah wtf was that about?
@@IAmKlagg really felt out of place as her mental stability, while it was touched on, was a very minor factor during that trial
Will you ever do a video on Possession (1981)?
Say please tho
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Really incredible video! Only wish you had elaborated on the johnny depp comment or not included it at all as it comes out of nowhere and being so topical sours the mood a bit
I was thinking the same thing
He’s right though. You’d feel the same way if you did any meaningful and unbiased research.
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@@ladyzoe5734 I'm not saying hes wrong about it, I'd just say its fair to say thats counter to the public opinion and wish he explained it more. These videos are supposed to bring in the meaningful and unbiased research, I don't want homework
@@ericnunya if you don’t want homework, then just watch the video, listen to the writer’s perspective and focus on the other stuff. It’s that easy.
Wow that line about the man who thought he was a juice glas made it all the way to my neck of the Woods in Scandinavia, I remember a teacher telling my class this story as a cautionary tale about acid
Okay, I wasn't going to comment because (1) your videos are amazing and this one is so well-done and so relevant, and (2) my feelings are complicated and probably not well conveyed as a youtube comment lol.
But as I'm at the end of the video listening to the questions that you ask content makers to consider, it seems reasonable to think that you may be interested to know if any content you've made would trigger similarly negative issues for your audience. Because even though I thoroughly enjoyed 99.99% of this video, there was just one sentence that sorta kinda did ruin my evening, and I can't really see why it was included.
Because as someone who has been through a deeply unhealthy relationship with someone who engaged in much of the same behavior as Amber Herd was demonstrated to have done in the trial - and as someone with a legal education and a fair ability to understand the case outside of the context of social media and clickbait news (i hope) to have a decent grasp of the facts of the case and the meaning of the decision - hearing you flaty claim that Depp's attempt to tell his story amounts to "gaslighting", with the assumption that he *must* have been the abuser...yeah that really sucked, man.
Now all I can think about is how media often presents abuse and mental health issues in other ways, how my ex was able to use that to their advantage, and how it still prevents me from really ever talking about it with anyone outside of the people who knew my ex and saw some of what happened.
The assumption that the masculine or physically powerful partner is always the abuser can be harmful, too. Hearing Depp's side of the story made me feel less alone, and for a minute it made me feel like I could be more open about my own experiences.
So why include the comment about the depp v herd trial that completely erases the possibility that depp was telling the truth? Because if someone as smart as you who has the skills to do such awesome research can come away from that trial with the kind of impression you've expressed here...man.
Still gonna watch your videos, but yeah...now i have a feeling that it's always going to make me think about the fact that no matter how much evidence i have to the contrary, and no matter how many witnesses i could bring to the table, my side of the story will never be believed as quickly or as fiercely as the delusions that my ex-wife has constructed. Even when it comes to smart, empathetic people with whom I agree on so many things.
At the end of the day, no one knows the truth except the people involved. If the topic of domestic abuse is going to be addressed, please do it the justice that you've done with every other topic you've covered, and keep in mind that blanket statements that claim knowledge of someone's intentions (like saying that depp was "gaslighting") is an ignorant and potentially harmful thing to do.
Much love. ❤
Yeah it’s such a shame because his videos are interesting, well thought out and insightful, but then he always makes at least one of these idiotic comments that just make you go “WTF, did he really say that?” For me it completely ruins the point he is trying to make and drags me out of the narrative. I’m sorry to see that this video continues this trend.
It was also just unnecessary, and honestly unwise. Even if he sincerely believes Amber Heard's version of the story, the situation still hasn't even really wrapped up and it's entirely likely she'll be sued by other parties who also felt she lied, which could then lead to further evidence that she is in fact an abuser herself or at best a disingenuous serial victim and he'll just further alienate the audience watching this video in the future.
I'm so sorry to hear you went through such an awful relationship
I agree that people need to be more open minded that abuse knows no gender
Good comment, thank you.
Great video. As others have pointed out though I think it is a overstatement to suggest that these facilities are unwholly like their media depictions.
Also the idea that it is difficult to become institutionalized is very inaccurate. If you're poor, homeless, physically or mentally ill, it is quite easy actually to become institutionalized with little if any recourse to resist.
Institutionalization is also used as a weapon by abusive partners. There are numerous stories of women who have been institutionalized by their partner convincing a judge to do so.
i spent a few months in a mental health clinic for expressing suicidal ideations to ensure i wouldn't do anything stupid
when i got out of there and casually mentioned my stay to an aquaintance, his response was
"so.. does that mean i should be scared of you then?" (as in, am i going to harm him. he looked dead serious and took a step back.)
which i think says enough about the absolute state of mental health awareness of the general public
like yes, me, the super duper scary 1.55 m afab person am a threat to the 1.8 m bearded, muscular dude bro because i wanted to kill myself. that's exactly how this works lmao
sidenote, even though i knew the horror asylums were outdated visuals and not to expect them, i was really caught off guard by blue cartoon pirates being painted on the walls of every common room of our section since we were legal minors at the time. didn't really get used to it during my stay and i think i would've preferred the bland white walls instead haha
That's so depressing, the level of ignorance and lack of literacy in mental health is astounding..
I'm sorry about that, but also as a larger individual, I can assure you we are not knife/bullet proof and don't wish to be harmed any more than smaller people.
@@sjbrooksy45 i was unarmed and showed no signs of aggression. If someone waves a knife at you, it's legitimate for anyone to be afraid lmao
I would have harmed my own friends during some of my worst times for admittedly petty years-old slights against me that could have contributed to my problems; just saying. Everyone has to sleep sometime, homie.
Fight Club is an incredibly deep analysis of toxic masculinity and DID has barely anything to do with it. It is kind of baffling that you show it when you talk about "meaningless' representations
It's just a current meme to shit on Fight Club on twitter or whatever because it's one of those things men in general overwhelmingly like.
It can be both! A good film incredibly good deconstruction of toxic masculinity, but also echoes themes of badly understood mental health tropes! No need to get pissy
@@beththegreen A completely unrealistic depiction of a split personality that behaves more like a magical demon possession like what happens in Fight Club can also just a thing in a movie that people shouldn't connect to their real lives in any way.
I agree. We can leave a bit of art in it for the sake of expressing ideas, not every depiction of mental illness has to be a teaching moment
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Then what's the point of understanding the message of the film in the first place...? And or expanding upon what the film has already shown?
Good video as usual. But that Johnny Depp take was… wow
That gave me whiplash
Geez he threatened to fuck her corpse and set her on fire and yall acting as if Amber is the only insane
Yeah, for real, no one with any integrity could've watched that trial in full, or those earlier depositions from their divorce, or listened to their tapes, and come away convinced that Johnny Depp was the gaslighter here. Which leads me to believe that the creator can't have actually followed the case and simply read some short articles about it. I mean, yes, when someone comes out with DV accusations like Amber Heard did, it should always be taken seriously and investigated. But this case WAS taken seriously for a long time - and then Amber Heard's own behaviour undermined it and showed her up to be a liar.
I havent watched this through yet, but I hope you talk about Haxan. It isn't strictly asylum horror, but its commentary on how they treated the "mad" in the early 20th century vs the middle ages in Sweden is really interesting and it's an absolute classic of the horror genre
It... it depends. It's getting better yes. But when I was 12, 8 years ago now. In that mental hospital, I watched a nurse physically fight a adolescent patient. Little in that has changed in texas at least. He kept working there as far as I know. At least he was 2 weeks later when I left.
YEESSS, whenever you upload i know no matter how bad my day is, i'll have a nice treat waiting for me when i get home from work!
I hope you're doing good and having more good days than bad ones
I appreciate the work that went into this and, while agree with some things and disagree with others, I think titling this video as simply a "history of" is a bit misleading. I would suggest either separating the history and opinion portions into their own videos or titling in a way that reflects the fact that, in reality, it's more of an argumentative opinion piece. Just my two cents. Either way, keep at it!
I was noticing the blend he has on editorialization for this video as well, after all it definitely conjures established emotions for him. This follows his normal approach with videos, personalizing his critique by revealing his interest in the focus (Return to Oz), so its not too surprising..
Anyhow, I'm just heckling you because you are an old friend and I find it awesome to run into you on thus channel
agree with this 100%
This video is kind of a mess. Specifically it's a bit baffling that a video discussing the importance of "patient-first" care casually suggests that medication should be a last resort.
"Well, maybe we should exhaust every other option" - this is harmful, even with good intentions. Medical professionals abuse their ability to medicate patients just to make a problem dissapear. Still, that doesn't mean that the fault is on the medication itself. People can suggest to a patient to try therapy first, but those resources may be unavailable, ill-suited for the patient, or too expensive. (Medication can already be a huge expense.)
It is already incredibly hard to have your problems be taken seriously. You can just get slapped with "oh go to therapy, and do some mindfulness exercises." Making medication less available does not fix this issue.
1:03:15 : Wait... had this on in the background. Are you being facetious when you said 'Johnny Depp, for fame, spite, blahblah, gaslit the world into thinking Heard was crazy and evil?' Cause if you're serious, I just lost ALL respect for you.
This is my favorite video you've made so far Zane, wonderful work. Thank you for this one.
Janet Frame was born in my country, New Zealand and to this day is one of our most celebrated authors. After Janet was misdiagnosed as schizophrenic she spent a number of years at Seacliff Mental Hospital near the city of Dunedin. Seacliff closed in the 1970s and was basically left to nature after that, so by the 1990s a number of the original buildings remained intact but overgrown. I moved to Dunedin in the mid-90s for college and one of the first big social events I was invited to was an outdoor rave being held as Seacliff Mental Hospital. It was still technically government owned land. There have been rumours about Seacliff being haunted even before it closed, quite a few of the partygoers talked about what they might do if they saw any ghosts. I personally didn't see anything of the sort but there were quite a few party goers who took interesting substances to enhance their experience, so maybe they saw something. What I did see was depressing concrete buildings in ruins, and inside some of those buildings the remains of machines that looked like something out of a horror movie (no pun intended). The location combined with not knowing much about machinary led myself and some friends to speculate that these relics must be electro-shock machines or labotomizers. To me it at least this was far more horrifying than the idea of sad spirits roaming the grounds.
This just makes me appreciate my therapist even more. Dude literally saved my life
you say decades but i remember scandals of patients being tied down for ten or twelve hours at a time just five or ten years ago. i still think they are treated poorly to this day it just might not be as bad.
Tbh even though I didn't like being made to go at first, going to a mental hospital was the best thing that ever happened to me because they got me further therapy, got me a psychiatrist to prescribe me medications, had sit downs with me and spoke to me, and I got to meet and talk to all the other patients. It saved my life.
Okay but like there are people who bang on walls and yell, you can't just pretend like that isn't a symptom of some illnesses
This was absolutely brilliant. So true, thank you for spreading this information; it’s very valuable.
Schizophrenia runs in my family, my great uncle was institutionalized in the 30’s, and his whole family was shamed for it. He eventually committed suicide. My own mother is also schizophrenic, and the way medical professionals tend to treat her is just vile. The generational trauma of her great uncle, and how the world shamed her family, caused her to not seek help in fear of the same. Sadly individuals who have stigmatized mental illness continue to be mistreated. I really do feel as though the way media has portrayed asylums, and the fact that schizophrenia is ALWAYS the illness portrayed in those films; as something to be afraid of, as if these people are violent, is so harmful I’m sick about it. The sad reality is the opposite. My mother is a scared, broken woman when she is psychotic. She only wants herself and her kids to be safe, because her fear centers around someone hurting her children. It is torture of the mind, she is the one being harmed, she does not harm others. I wish that media would portray those with schizophrenia in a better light. :( The label put upon my mother by society has harmed her in ways I cannot even begin to describe. She cannot even enter a normal hospital now without panic and fear.
I read your comment and agree with you 100% as I'm also schizophrenic. I hate how we're portrayed by Hollywood as violent when we're the exact opposite. All they care about is money and nothing else.
Honestly, it’s so disgusting how much stigma there is surrounding Schizophrenia.
I’m so sorry about what your family has been though, I can’t imagine the pain such horrible treatment caused.
Sending all my love to you and your family.
I would like to point out that the case of DID portrayed in primal fear turned out to be a lie, which was the point.
See I have this crazy thought that maybe a lot of his research is pulled out of the third ass chambers myself. I love his channel but there are quite a few times he makes no sense or completely misses the point of something.
"We can always do better for more people. That should always be the goal." I came originally for horror takes, but this to me is why I love your videos. Thank you for the amazing analysis and your heart
Excellent video! Strongly disagree with you in your description of Depp V Heard however. She was very clearly gaslighting him in all those hours of audio and admitted to hitting him. I'm severely confused by your opinion.
Yeah that part had me confused too
You’ve been tricked man. The algorithm showed you exactly what Depp’s team wanted you to see. The jury was not sequestered and now it’s shown that one juror snuck in and lied. Depp’s team purposely made it so the trial would be televised. Depp has a history of past and present assault lawsuits about him assaulting men and women. Please do more research because you’re clearly parroting exactly what contributed to that joke and public spectacle of a trial.
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I do not believe he actually watched the trial, he probably just read the headlines about it and assumed they were telling the truth.
@@scotcheggable some of us have jobs and friends and family. You can do extensive research without being chained to a courtroom livestream. Most people who disagree w Depp Stans, are looking at physical evidence and his past proven behavior, rather than forming an opinion on some reactionary moments of public spectacle.
I don't know if it already appeared somewhere in the video, but Nightmare on Elm Street 3 features benevolent mental health professionals helping to defeat Freddy, and a therapeutic session having a positive effect, though group hypnosis may not be a particularly well regarded treatment in real life.
Western NC Local here and I grew up hearing the same Broughton stories. It wasn't till my best friend told me her mom was there that I learned a little bit more and became a more enlightened human.
Dammit dude. Just when I get tired of the same old shit on YT, you come along and restore my hope. I'm only a minute into this video and I already know it's gonna gonna great. Keep it up bro. Much love.
Honestly I don't think de-institutionalization was an improvement. It was a business opportunity. Why keep a mentally unstable person off the streets at taxpayer expense when you can release them and have them buying medication for the rest of their lives? And it's also no coincidence that homelessness and crime have gone up since then. The truly mentally infirm that can't function in society are still wards of the state, now it's just your problem. The government will take any opportunity it can to create a crisis. Because on the other end of that crisis, they get to create more bureaucracy and power for themselves.
I'm really not sure what the solution. I think we haven't found it yet. I think we need to do more research on the human brain. But I also shudder to think of how that research could be used, because you're talking about the ability to directly alter and control peoples' mental states. That's pure control porn for a tyrannical government. Such people cannot be trusted with such power. Hell, they can't even be trusted to fix pot holes.
Thank you for this video.
I really enjoy your thoughtful and thorough video essays, you've also given me awareness of media that was obscure or something I'd never consider watching (I actually found your channel with your "in defense of Nicholas Cage" video and ended up watching Vampire's Kiss because of it - I'd previously thought Cage was just a hack and didn't consider his acting methods).
I really appreciate that you mention representation as well as reducing stigma. I've struggled with my mental health, even avoided looking at symptoms because they were part of an umbrella associated with a stigmatized mental illness. I really had to look inward and force myself to move past that after years of denial.
Please keep making videos. I honestly think you're one of the most thoughtful TH-camrs out there that focuses on quality content. Plus I love finding new horror movies and other content I'd never heard of.