I’ve noticed a few differences between Transperth and the Skyrail. As I live in Perth, I noticed there are a lot more station platforms than Perth has and so there is quite a distance between stations. Transperth trains run at a higher speed between stations too (due to distance?). Also you can hear from the drivers cab (in Perth videos) the destination announcements and the door closing warnings. I didn’t hear them in this video. Anyway, I loved watching this. Nice to see a different scenery.
Firstly, Skyrail refers exclusively to those sections of track where road over-bridges have been built in quite recent years although in a few places, rail tracks have been set into cuttings instead. As far as I recall, the elevated stations are as close as practical to where original stations were located. Perth trains are renowned for their fast running. Speed seems not an important factor in Melbourne. I suspect that drivers can adjust the volume of loudspeakers in their cab and don’t want to hear that noise of announcements all day..
A few months ago a Melbourne driver told me that standees on peak runs are now unusual, whereas crush loads used to be normal on many trains. I went to Parliament last visit to compare loadings to Dandenong but now those trains go round the loop the other way so load comparisons there are impossible.
Fans should not ignore taking photos of them, because one day they will be replaced by something newer. If people don’t take every day views today, they’ll be nothing old to look back on years into the future.
@@Cmoose Once the Comeng trains are gone, there will be no trains that sound like a traditional train and all you will then hear is the weird warbling electronics of the rest of the fleet.
10:40 Apparently there’s a strange low pitched humming seemingly coming from the rails so it’s most likely something in the rail and or rubber mountings on the bridge in response to the train moving over them! But it still continues later so it’s possibly also the train causing vibration in the rails that’s also vibrating through the train so it sounds quite loud inside the train especially if you put your ear to something that’s bolted in the train! :)
I was interested to see the duration of edited-out video at the stations. When I was a regular user of that line in the 1950s on the red rattlers, which had many more doors, there were two durations of station stops: default 10 seconds, 15 seconds at major stops (South Yarra, Caulfield, etc). Thanks for this, I'll never get to see skyrail for myself, now.
Lots of things have slowed down with time although less doors has to be expected. Don’t forget those dreadful spiked gates which some pimply faced kid slammed shut just as you were about to run through! I’m pleased this video has brought you up to date.
@@tressteleg1 Yes, I well remember. In those days, the suburban trains had 1st and 2nd class. 1st was always positioned just at the bottom of the ramp at Flinders St, and likewise at my station, Toorak. So, in order to get on and off quickly, and get a seat, I forked out, from my student allowance, the two-shillings return fare. 20 cents! Another good thing about those trains was being able to leave the sliding doors open in the summer.
First and Second class electric trains were long gone before my first visit to Melbourne. Old photos showed if it was a hot day by all the open doors 😊
Joseph Christianson I go down once each year. Especially with he level crossing removal work going on, and little changes to the tramway, there is always something new to see.
@@petermolloy6142 It took days, if not weeks to wear away small wheel flats on a W. Present day trains with most of the braking done through the motors would take forever to wear off the flats, and that only happens with trains fitted with brake blocks that press against the wheel surfaces.
At 11:20 theres the incline up to the skyrail. As you start to go up there a second set of rails down the middle. I’ve seen this on some V/line lines too. Is there a secret set of extra wheels used on hills?
No. It is common practice used on nearly all rail bridges. The idea is that if any axles are derailed these will stop the wheels from turning too far to one side and reduce the chance of the carriage going over the side of the bridge.
tressteleg1 Am I understanding you correctly? So one set of wheels on the derailed bogey will get “stuck” between the normal and the extra rails, meaning the bogey is only able to twist a few degrees from normal, thus it cannot steer itself off the bridge?
It was impossible to answer your other comment, but the ride to Dandenong is quite long enough by itself. I am gradually covering Pakenham and Cranbourne separately. Anyway the average viewer watches my videos for less than 10 minutes so I guess most don’t really care how long it is.
South Yarra to Caulfield was expanded to four tracks and regraded to remove level crossings as part of a major project largely completed in 1914 in readiness for electrification, hence the same station designs. Due to World War 1 the latter project was delayed with electric trains not running along this section until 1922.
This is a Dandenong down run on the Frankston tracks from just after South Yarra to Caulfield due to track works, then onto platform 4 at Caulfield... Do Comeng units run on steam? Sounds like it in parts... :-P
LOL. Listen carefully to the sound this train makes. This one has a dickie wheel (probably a flat spot or a chipped flange) on the front motor unit, which makes it *SOUND* like steam chuffing at times. All Metro trains are EMUs, with 1.5kV DC overhead catenary supply, from ~1920s onwards (Taits, Harrises, Hitachis, Comengs, Siemens and X-Trapolis units). DC is used with the track as the ground return path to allow ionic buildup around buried metal elements and slow corrosion. Calling Comeng units 'modern' is arguable - I was having a go at the Comeng units, being the oldest in the Metro fleet. Jokes are lost when one has to explain them to an audience...
@connextro Well - their switchgear is a little long in the tooth now - choppers only on late production units and no regenerative braking on them, either... As for styling - bricks have better aerodynamic properties - such was design in the late 1970s...
Only somebody living trackside, or familiar with before and after noise could assess that, and it would vary train to train depending on wheel flats etc.
I know that they work more or less the same hours each day of the working week, but could well work quite different hours the next week. Hopefully a serving driver can bring me up to date as my information is many years old.
The lattice staunchions between South Yarra and Caulfield are phasing out. The old lattice ones have been there since the 1920s and 30s. There are still a few more on the Frankston line between Parkdale and Mentone. Soon to be gone though.
@@HarishDharmapalan @Harish's Suburban Railways I assume so. They're pretty old but still hold up for their age. They have started down near Flinders Street Station and will make their may up to Richmond.
Oh on the history books. They had represented well on the Melbourne train network. Shame they are getting replaced by those boring looking steel pylons. I just wish we could go back to the late 90s and early 2000s
@@tressteleg1 Your videos are magic :) don't take the comment too personal. I could watch all your videos for hours I love the front window view driving around everywhere. Thanks for sharing.
I can’t be absolutely certain, but there were other similar structures I think further out on the Pakenham line. From memory, a new signalling system is being introduced with the automation of the HCMT Trains, and these signals are hinged so they can tilt forwards, maybe for maintenance reasons, and as they are not yet in service, they are covered like this so as not to distract the drivers until they are brought into service. And of course then they will be stood upright.
Railway lines alway look dirty & the old stations 😳 One day in future ? we might see new travel used here - Until🤷♂️ What Travel would You replace it with ?
Well the main purpose of level crossing removals is to assist road traffic, not trains which were little delayed by level crossings. Nevertheless crossing removals should be done when affordable.
I have not seen any figures but the risk of delays caused by jammed level crossings must be gone. Nevertheless Metro is sure to find other ways to stuff up the service.
I do intend to look at that line next but at this moment I don’t know what I have on it. Nevertheless it will be a few weeks before I would publish anything on it.
Nice, I'll have to give it a go after all this covid thing settles down, the ride on the new raised sections should be way smoother (pity there was a flat, I was hoping to hear a difference) I'm surprised by the odd surface on those raised concrete sections, I thought it would be mostly flat, boy is that deep ridged middle bit going to collect a lot of crap over time. Pity we are loosing some of the older stations, I like the older brick ones (that haven't been vandalised) Never been down the Dandenong line, always wondered what was down that other line as I branched off to Frankston after Caulfield.
Yes, the new tracks are quite smooth. It’s a pity that the carriage had wheel flats but you don’t always notice that until it is too late. Plenty of my other videos have raised sections you can compare. Check out any of my Driver’s Views of the Dandenong line. The concrete beams certainly do look massively thick. And it does sound like you have some exploring to do when Covid restrictions are lifted.
Fast running has never seemed important in Melbourne. Unfortunately the normal maximum speeds on lines are not shown as the drivers are supposed to learn these but you can see the speed boards where a lower speed than normal is required. I expect 80km/h is the maximum on this line. Also in Australia there is a tendency to have easier running times to provide better on-time performance statistics for politicians so there is no incentive to go faster than what the timetable requires. Wait until you see the racecourse line video I am working on at the moment. Painfully slow.
Probably Friday evening here. I’m sure others would agree with your assessment of the track standards!!! By comparison, Sydney trains glide along but not necessarily much faster 🙁
I hope you can see this comment from the train driver who takes my Melbourne videos 😊. In my processing, I don’t edit out any shakiness of the camera. I present it as I received it “He needs to watch a few more of your videos. A great pity that the camera and editing techniques completely eliminate all the movement of the train, and the constant shaking/vibrating of Xtrapolis trains on any track is not conveyed to the viewer at all.”
How are used to play music years ago when driving trains even though it was not officially condoned. Now having any electronic device in the campervan and tram or train is for Biddon.
M L the light tower is a JLG 6308AN - and belongs to the company I work for. 👍. These are being replaced with modern LED light towers now, but we still have plenty of the old bangers.
The platform of the left was to cater for the VR Ways and Works branch and Electrical branch, there was a small siding there where louvre vans and GY open wagon would be stabled. There would be various items delivered from Newport Workshops and Spotswood workshops for use by the Ways and Works branch for maintenance of both the Frankston and Dandenong rail lines. I can recall in the seventies and early eighties seeing louvre vans and GY wagons stabled in the siding. Items such as dog spikes, fish plates, base plates, sleepers, electrical components etc would be delivered by rail. Most likely worn dogs pikes, fish plates etc would be returned by rail to either the Foundry in Newport Workshops or the Reclamation Depot in Spotswood. The small section of rail that is branching off the main down line to Dandenong is a relic of history.
This might sound like a dumb question tressteleg1 but it's to do with the signals. Every Clear signal always seem to have a Green over Red aspect as if the red signal never changes aspect but the question is How do Suburban signals operate? I ask because i'm slightly confused by all of this.
yea mate there is all different ones like in the video mostly they were clear normal speed signals with the green over red as for other signal red over green - clear medium speed and a yellow over red -caution normal speed or download VICSIG and i will give you all the info there
Someone asks this question every few weeks. I’ll see if I have enough relevant video clips to show all the options in my list. It is all too complicated for me to remember.
@@tressteleg1 No need to rush you can take your time on this subject. I was asking partly out of curiosity and partly because i'm use to NSW Signalling Aspects i sort of know Qld and S.A have on their signals AWS/TPWS methods similar to the U.K but that's about it.
I hate to say this..and I really enjoy the videos, and call me pedantic..BUT..the graphics for stations before Caulfield are incorrect. Where it shows Armadale in yellow on screen it is actually Malvern, and where it shows Toorak it is actually Armadale. The ramp at Armadale descends down, (from office to platforms), facing towards the down trains. Malvern is not even shown as a graphic, but no big deal. If nobody believes me, (I worked that line thousands of times years ago), you can read the actual station signs when train is idle at platforms. Oh Jesus who cares, it's a great video all the same!!
I had the stations correct originally, then accidentally did something and the section to Caulfield had to be repeated, and that is where the problem started. In the rush to complete it, I did not check that all the captions were in the right place. Anyway with the Frankston line complete as at 2018, a video on a full run will appear Friday week with those mistakes corrected, as well as a Signals refresher, not that you should need that.
I believe so, although some may like the looks. No matter what you do, under or over, there are advantages and disadvantage in flat countryside. This may give you some idea although some tidying up was still to be done. Driver’s View Coburg/Moreland Skyrail Melbourne th-cam.com/video/VLZNMQJvZk8/w-d-xo.html
I had a technical mishap and it seems that I didn’t get all the station names in the right place when I reinserted the missing section. Apart from the video, I have little familiarity with any of the stations.
Here is his reply. “Looked it up, Richmond to Oakleigh, 80kmh; Oakleigh to Huntingdale, 95kmh; Huntingdale to Dandenong, 80kmh; Dandy to Pak and Cranbourne, 115kmh. Nothing has changed since I learnt the road. (Yes there's a section of 95 in the middle - don't ask).”
Well, back when i was working in Melbourne 4-5 years ago, I would take the train from Thornbury down to Flinders and then to Clayton and i would rather sit in the Siemens than the xtrapolis. Sure maybe the y are boxy and dated but i thought they were more smooth and comfortable,
HI YES! Because this train was on the Sandringham line track![ If it was South Yarra ] Good observation, it had me quite confused! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
If you mean the Tap. Tap. Tap, that was a small wheel flat caused by some axle skidding in the past. This could have been the result of careless barking or something greasy on the rail, even light rain. If the noise was something else you will have to describe it and give any clear time point in the video.
I expect that the grades are about the same as the Mernda line namely 1:40. Also the climb is fairly short so expect that they manage fairly well but it certainly will keep the driver on his toes to keep the train on the correct speed.
@@tressteleg1 Mernda is only a commuter line (as you would know)...... freight train drivers on the Dandenong line would now face nearly similar challenges to cane train drivers ... eg, Proserpine has a load limit of 92 full 10 tonne bins plus 3.1 tonnes empty weight ... equates to 1200 tonnes... with only loco brakes and a brake wagon at the rear.
My guess is a lot more speed and momentum than a cane train. If the speed drops from 80 to 50, so what? But if speed drops from 30 to zero, you are in trouble.
That is a question I asked at one of the public meetings. The reply was, we are the level crossing removal authority, not the future rail planning group. It is criminal, and will cost a fortune to add another line for express and rural services sometime in the future. The first mention of removing the level crossing at Carnegie was in 1950, so it will probably take another 70 years for them to add a third or fourth track.
The method they used, as you may have seen in one of the Dandenong videos, enabled trains to keep running but at the same time made it impossible to add an express track on the elevated sections. Even so at least one extra track could be laid on some of the ground level sections but there is obviously no heart to do this. In fact at one of the stations, the short section of third track was pulled up. It all shows a total disregard for long distance passengers.
I will be posting an HCMT and South Yarra update before long. I covered all the stations which will lose Dandenong services and those trains when the metro tunnel opens.
If the reason for Skyrail was to eliminate street-level crossings, can anyone tell me why a trench-cut solution was not used? It seems to me that it would have been less expensive.
It is debatable whether it is less expensive to dig. There are a number of reasons for choosing trench or viaduct. The railway alignment needs to be much wider to dig a trench without stopping the rail service while it is done. Also on the Frankston line towards the south the soil is sand and very close to the bay so trenches would flood all the time. No doubt other factors are considered.
That would require shutting down the railway for the duration of construction. With elevated they were able to continue operating while the pylons were built and the causeway laid on them.
@@tressteleg1 Receiving multiple responses has caused me to reread my comment. I realize that I didn't specify the trench was for the vehicular traffic not the trains. Seems to me that two teams of excavators coming at the RR tracks from both sides; stopping the RR during one night/early morning hours, placing a preassembled (including rails) viaduct in place, reconnecting the rails, and then excavating under the viaduct to reconnect the roadway at each crossing would be feasible.
Alan Dunstan What you suggest has essentially been done at Essendon. The road is wide there. I don’t live in Melbourne and have little familiarity with most of the locations as I never went there. However I think we will just have to assume that those managing the projects take all options into consideration and hopefully choose the best. However I think that the desire to produce the effects required expeditiously on the Dandenong line has had a major failure in that no provision was made for the long distance trains on that corridor and with the 10 minute suburban service spend most of the time following all stops suburban trains. The way the project has been done, it would be horrendously expensive to now add in express tracks.
It manually starts | Between South Yarra and Hawksburn, Toorak, Armadale, Malvern and Caulfield are there 4 tracks splits into 2 tracks. (Station List: South Yarra, Hawksburn, Toorak, Armadale, Malvern and Caulfield it Forgot Malvern!)
I’m not a train driver and I don’t live in Melbourne. The mistake occurred because I was not happy with the quality of a section of video of this line, so substituted a better version and when I transferred the station name across, by accident it was one station out. Nevertheless it is inspiring to meet somebody who has never made a mistake in their life😂
Skrail not only passenger peep through the neighbours windows but that cost myki fares went up can get away with fare evasion and I ran up the stairs when the door shuts in seconds I missed the train😠.
@@carrahulley8484 That could be quite some time away. My driver had 300 clips for me 3 weeks ago and normally I would not get any more from him until next year. Wait and see.
Hopefully not that long but from memory they still have to remove the crossing at Pakenham station, so I will wait until that and any other planned removals are done then do the whole line in one hit.
Same in Melbourne. Occasionally British names are adopted for similar locations in Australia. For example, your Newcastle was a major coal mine location, same with Newcastle New South Wales but close to our Newcastle, there are still very major coal mines
You do the best and clearest cab view videos. Nice work been lookin' forward to seeing the skyrail.
That is thanks to my driver and whatever equipment he uses (for train videos). I use my own camera for the tram ones and all lineside views.
One of my favourite drivers view videos
Well you can enjoy my mistake over and over. 😆
I’ve noticed a few differences between Transperth and the Skyrail. As I live in Perth, I noticed there are a lot more station platforms than Perth has and so there is quite a distance between stations. Transperth trains run at a higher speed between stations too (due to distance?). Also you can hear from the drivers cab (in Perth videos) the destination announcements and the door closing warnings. I didn’t hear them in this video. Anyway, I loved watching this. Nice to see a different scenery.
Firstly, Skyrail refers exclusively to those sections of track where road over-bridges have been built in quite recent years although in a few places, rail tracks have been set into cuttings instead. As far as I recall, the elevated stations are as close as practical to where original stations were located. Perth trains are renowned for their fast running. Speed seems not an important factor in Melbourne. I suspect that drivers can adjust the volume of loudspeakers in their cab and don’t want to hear that noise of announcements all day..
terrific video yet again. just one correction it's hughesdale station not hughesvale. cheers
Ya can't beat a 🚂 trip with the afternoon Autumn sunrays , beaming through the carriage glass window , upon one .
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Post covid do the stations get as busy during the peak hours on this line?
A few months ago a Melbourne driver told me that standees on peak runs are now unusual, whereas crush loads used to be normal on many trains.
I went to Parliament last visit to compare loadings to Dandenong but now those trains go round the loop the other way so load comparisons there are impossible.
Seeing trains other than the HCMT on there is so nostalgic 😢
Fans should not ignore taking photos of them, because one day they will be replaced by something newer. If people don’t take every day views today, they’ll be nothing old to look back on years into the future.
@@tressteleg1 I agree, that is the thing I find sad, eventually, all our beloved trains will be gone. We are lucky to have an amazing heritage group.
@@Cmoose Once the Comeng trains are gone, there will be no trains that sound like a traditional train and all you will then hear is the weird warbling electronics of the rest of the fleet.
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Apparently there’s a strange low pitched humming seemingly coming from the rails so it’s most likely something in the rail and or rubber mountings on the bridge in response to the train moving over them! But it still continues later so it’s possibly also the train causing vibration in the rails that’s also vibrating through the train so it sounds quite loud inside the train especially if you put your ear to something that’s bolted in the train! :)
I can’t hear anything so it must be the traction motors
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Yeah like it’s probably in that case a secondary resonating frequency in the motors that is audible! :)
I was interested to see the duration of edited-out video at the stations. When I was a regular user of that line in the 1950s on the red rattlers, which had many more doors, there were two durations of station stops: default 10 seconds, 15 seconds at major stops (South Yarra, Caulfield, etc). Thanks for this, I'll never get to see skyrail for myself, now.
Lots of things have slowed down with time although less doors has to be expected. Don’t forget those dreadful spiked gates which some pimply faced kid slammed shut just as you were about to run through! I’m pleased this video has brought you up to date.
@@tressteleg1 Yes, I well remember. In those days, the suburban trains had 1st and 2nd class. 1st was always positioned just at the bottom of the ramp at Flinders St, and likewise at my station, Toorak. So, in order to get on and off quickly, and get a seat, I forked out, from my student allowance, the two-shillings return fare. 20 cents! Another good thing about those trains was being able to leave the sliding doors open in the summer.
First and Second class electric trains were long gone before my first visit to Melbourne. Old photos showed if it was a hot day by all the open doors 😊
15:40 why was there a V/line train stopped at Hughesdale? My guess is a red signal.
Wow, big changes, apart from the Comengs ;p Think I need to come visit Melbourne again lol
Joseph Christianson I go down once each year. Especially with he level crossing removal work going on, and little changes to the tramway, there is always something new to see.
Thanks!!
Was waiting for this
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That flat spot would drive you bonkers, Would be interested to know how long that unit was allowed to run like that.
Fortunately that was only a small one. Sometimes I drove W class trams with BAD flats on concrete track. THEY were something to complain about!
@@tressteleg1 Yes, but the braking system would wear them off, to some degree!
@@petermolloy6142 It took days, if not weeks to wear away small wheel flats on a W. Present day trains with most of the braking done through the motors would take forever to wear off the flats, and that only happens with trains fitted with brake blocks that press against the wheel surfaces.
At 11:20 theres the incline up to the skyrail. As you start to go up there a second set of rails down the middle. I’ve seen this on some V/line lines too. Is there a secret set of extra wheels used on hills?
No. It is common practice used on nearly all rail bridges. The idea is that if any axles are derailed these will stop the wheels from turning too far to one side and reduce the chance of the carriage going over the side of the bridge.
tressteleg1 Am I understanding you correctly? So one set of wheels on the derailed bogey will get “stuck” between the normal and the extra rails, meaning the bogey is only able to twist a few degrees from normal, thus it cannot steer itself off the bridge?
You got it! If the derailed bogie wanders further to one side when back at ground level, it does not matter much.
That was very impressive
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I can feel those shakes through the screen lol 😆 when entering Caulfield and Oakleigh stations 🚉
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It was impossible to answer your other comment, but the ride to Dandenong is quite long enough by itself. I am gradually covering Pakenham and Cranbourne separately. Anyway the average viewer watches my videos for less than 10 minutes so I guess most don’t really care how long it is.
Excellent video. Was told about it and am now a subscriber.
Welcome Aboard! Let’s hope you find other topics of mine to be of interest 😊
Is it morning peak? It looks jam packed going northbound
VincentKoh LUMCFan It almost certainly is the am peak.
2:33 "Riding a comeng train like that one"
Man i didn't know Melbourne ran excavators on rails for passenger services!
I dint think they would let you on, unfortunately ☹️
They might improve the service!!!!
South Yarra to Caulfield was expanded to four tracks and regraded to remove level crossings as part of a major project largely completed in 1914 in readiness for electrification, hence the same station designs. Due to World War 1 the latter project was delayed with electric trains not running along this section until 1922.
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This is a Dandenong down run on the Frankston tracks from just after South Yarra to Caulfield due to track works, then onto platform 4 at Caulfield...
Do Comeng units run on steam? Sounds like it in parts... :-P
They're electric.
LOL.
Listen carefully to the sound this train makes. This one has a dickie wheel (probably a flat spot or a chipped flange) on the front motor unit, which makes it *SOUND* like steam chuffing at times.
All Metro trains are EMUs, with 1.5kV DC overhead catenary supply, from ~1920s onwards (Taits, Harrises, Hitachis, Comengs, Siemens and X-Trapolis units). DC is used with the track as the ground return path to allow ionic buildup around buried metal elements and slow corrosion.
Calling Comeng units 'modern' is arguable - I was having a go at the Comeng units, being the oldest in the Metro fleet. Jokes are lost when one has to explain them to an audience...
@connextro Well - their switchgear is a little long in the tooth now - choppers only on late production units and no regenerative braking on them, either... As for styling - bricks have better aerodynamic properties - such was design in the late 1970s...
It’s always lovely to come home to Melbourne and hop on a train…city or rural ❤
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Sandringham line, Elsternwick station is a current platform. Passengers to City Loop please make sure you have all your belongings.
The Siemens train seemed quieter - something that people who live along the elevated portions probably appreciate.
Only somebody living trackside, or familiar with before and after noise could assess that, and it would vary train to train depending on wheel flats etc.
They're much quieter in general as they're much newer
Ive always liked the sound the Siemens make on acceleration or when they just about to stop.
Do drivers stay on the same route or move around on a roster
I know that they work more or less the same hours each day of the working week, but could well work quite different hours the next week. Hopefully a serving driver can bring me up to date as my information is many years old.
Thanks for the titles!
👍. I think it is worth the effort to add them, and take out stopped time.
The lattice staunchions between South Yarra and Caulfield are phasing out. The old lattice ones have been there since the 1920s and 30s. There are still a few more on the Frankston line between Parkdale and Mentone. Soon to be gone though.
Are the ones between South Yarra to Richmond going to be gone as well?
@@HarishDharmapalan @Harish's Suburban Railways I assume so. They're pretty old but still hold up for their age. They have started down near Flinders Street Station and will make their may up to Richmond.
Oh on the history books. They had represented well on the Melbourne train network. Shame they are getting replaced by those boring looking steel pylons. I just wish we could go back to the late 90s and early 2000s
Remember the rail buckling in the heat
That can happen anywhere on days of especially extreme heat.
When you had Hawksburn, Toorak and Malvern stations labeled round the twist I thought I was going insane.
No, my mistake.
@@tressteleg1 Your videos are magic :) don't take the comment too personal. I could watch all your videos for hours I love the front window view driving around everywhere. Thanks for sharing.
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I was wondering what the thing covered in black plastic at 33m 53s was
I can’t be absolutely certain, but there were other similar structures I think further out on the Pakenham line. From memory, a new signalling system is being introduced with the automation of the HCMT Trains, and these signals are hinged so they can tilt forwards, maybe for maintenance reasons, and as they are not yet in service, they are covered like this so as not to distract the drivers until they are brought into service. And of course then they will be stood upright.
Railway lines alway look dirty & the old stations 😳 One day in future ? we might see new travel used here - Until🤷♂️
What Travel would You replace it with ?
7:13 looks so good it could be in Europe? Things are starting to definitely get better infrastructure-wise.
Well the main purpose of level crossing removals is to assist road traffic, not trains which were little delayed by level crossings. Nevertheless crossing removals should be done when affordable.
has this helped with the on time performance of the trains at all? thanks
I have not seen any figures but the risk of delays caused by jammed level crossings must be gone. Nevertheless Metro is sure to find other ways to stuff up the service.
Can you do videos of all stations on Frankston Line please with new Southland Station
I do intend to look at that line next but at this moment I don’t know what I have on it. Nevertheless it will be a few weeks before I would publish anything on it.
Nice, I'll have to give it a go after all this covid thing settles down, the ride on the new raised sections should be way smoother (pity there was a flat, I was hoping to hear a difference)
I'm surprised by the odd surface on those raised concrete sections, I thought it would be mostly flat, boy is that deep ridged middle bit going to collect a lot of crap over time.
Pity we are loosing some of the older stations, I like the older brick ones (that haven't been vandalised)
Never been down the Dandenong line, always wondered what was down that other line as I branched off to Frankston after Caulfield.
Yes, the new tracks are quite smooth. It’s a pity that the carriage had wheel flats but you don’t always notice that until it is too late. Plenty of my other videos have raised sections you can compare. Check out any of my Driver’s Views of the Dandenong line. The concrete beams certainly do look massively thick. And it does sound like you have some exploring to do when Covid restrictions are lifted.
These trains seems really slow compared to commuter trains in the UK, what speed do they do between stations?
Fast running has never seemed important in Melbourne. Unfortunately the normal maximum speeds on lines are not shown as the drivers are supposed to learn these but you can see the speed boards where a lower speed than normal is required. I expect 80km/h is the maximum on this line. Also in Australia there is a tendency to have easier running times to provide better on-time performance statistics for politicians so there is no incentive to go faster than what the timetable requires. Wait until you see the racecourse line video I am working on at the moment. Painfully slow.
@@tressteleg1 Thanks! Awaiting with interest. Some of the older track does seem a bit like what you would find in an abandoned goods yard!
Probably Friday evening here.
I’m sure others would agree with your assessment of the track standards!!! By comparison, Sydney trains glide along but not necessarily much faster 🙁
I hope you can see this comment from the train driver who takes my Melbourne videos 😊. In my processing, I don’t edit out any shakiness of the camera. I present it as I received it
“He needs to watch a few more of your videos.
A great pity that the camera and editing techniques completely eliminate all the movement of the train, and the constant shaking/vibrating of Xtrapolis trains on any track is not conveyed to the viewer at all.”
Q: Can you listen to music while driving?
How are used to play music years ago when driving trains even though it was not officially condoned.
Now having any electronic device in the campervan and tram or train is for Biddon.
That should say in the cab of a
tram or train is forbidden.
@@tressteleg1 Thanks for that, no music would be arduous, gotta have my tunes.
I agree. Radio or MP3 music playing here at home all day every day but TV at night 😊
Breathing Air i love the skyrail
10:25 what is that on the very far left???
@@soulsphere9242 no the platform looking thingy
Just some sort of car park it looks. I don’t have any idea.
M L the light tower is a JLG 6308AN - and belongs to the company I work for. 👍. These are being replaced with modern LED light towers now, but we still have plenty of the old bangers.
Thanks 😊
The platform of the left was to cater for the VR Ways and Works branch and Electrical branch, there was a small siding there where louvre vans and GY open wagon would be stabled. There would be various items delivered from Newport Workshops and Spotswood workshops for use by the Ways and Works branch for maintenance of both the Frankston and Dandenong rail lines. I can recall in the seventies and early eighties seeing louvre vans and GY wagons stabled in the siding. Items such as dog spikes, fish plates, base plates, sleepers, electrical components etc would be delivered by rail. Most likely worn dogs pikes, fish plates etc would be returned by rail to either the Foundry in Newport Workshops or the Reclamation Depot in Spotswood. The small section of rail that is branching off the main down line to Dandenong is a relic of history.
This might sound like a dumb question tressteleg1 but it's to do with the signals. Every Clear signal always seem to have a Green over Red aspect as if the red signal never changes aspect but the question is How do Suburban signals operate? I ask because i'm slightly confused by all of this.
yea mate there is all different ones like in the video mostly they were clear normal speed signals with the green over red as for other signal red over green - clear medium speed and a yellow over red -caution normal speed or download VICSIG and i will give you all the info there
Someone asks this question every few weeks. I’ll see if I have enough relevant video clips to show all the options in my list. It is all too complicated for me to remember.
@@tressteleg1 haha yea i noticed that but awesome videos mate love them
I’m working on it now but will not post it until checked by a driver!!
@@tressteleg1 No need to rush you can take your time on this subject. I was asking partly out of curiosity and partly because i'm use to NSW Signalling Aspects i sort of know Qld and S.A have on their signals AWS/TPWS methods similar to the U.K but that's about it.
South Yarra to Caulfield is only the four tracks station Hawksburn, Toorak, Armadale and Malvern.
I hate to say this..and I really enjoy the videos, and call me pedantic..BUT..the graphics for stations before Caulfield are incorrect. Where it shows Armadale in yellow on screen it is actually Malvern, and where it shows Toorak it is actually Armadale. The ramp at Armadale descends down, (from office to platforms), facing towards the down trains. Malvern is not even shown as a graphic, but no big deal. If nobody believes me, (I worked that line thousands of times years ago), you can read the actual station signs when train is idle at platforms. Oh Jesus who cares, it's a great video all the same!!
I had the stations correct originally, then accidentally did something and the section to Caulfield had to be repeated, and that is where the problem started. In the rush to complete it, I did not check that all the captions were in the right place.
Anyway with the Frankston line complete as at 2018, a video on a full run will appear Friday week with those mistakes corrected, as well as a Signals refresher, not that you should need that.
@@tressteleg1 It's only a caption..and my comment was more "tongue in cheek", not picky or pedantic. Just keep up the great work. We need it.
Don’t worry. I just stated to you what I told a few others earlier. I’m just pleased you like them.
Aaah the Westall UFO..
Used to get on at Westall to go to school.
😊👍
What was the reason behind the elevating of the railway line?
The main reason was to get rid of a lot of level crossings which delayed motorists much more than they delayed trains.
@@tressteleg1 cheers. Does it look like an eyesore from ground level?
I believe so, although some may like the looks. No matter what you do, under or over, there are advantages and disadvantage in flat countryside.
This may give you some idea although some tidying up was still to be done.
Driver’s View Coburg/Moreland Skyrail Melbourne
th-cam.com/video/VLZNMQJvZk8/w-d-xo.html
Station names annotations are incorrect or misspelt.
0:51 Hawksburn, 2:54 Toorak, 15:43 Hughesdale*
And 4:14 Armadale 6:05 Malvern
I had a technical mishap and it seems that I didn’t get all the station names in the right place when I reinserted the missing section. Apart from the video, I have little familiarity with any of the stations.
The video is still good, most others don't even make an attempt to annotate.
Yes, I dislike videos where you don’t know where you are. But mistakes are sure to happen sometimes.
Toorak was right
I think the speed limit in between oakleigh and huntingdale is 95 km/h
I’m waiting for a reply from my drivers but that looks likely to me.
Here is his reply.
“Looked it up,
Richmond to Oakleigh, 80kmh; Oakleigh to Huntingdale, 95kmh; Huntingdale to Dandenong, 80kmh; Dandy to Pak and Cranbourne, 115kmh.
Nothing has changed since I learnt the road. (Yes there's a section of 95 in the middle - don't ask).”
Did you know the Cranbourne and East Pakenham Lines will be entirely level crossing-free by 2025?
@thelionking219 I knew they were heading that way.
Passing the Springvale Underpass Station!
The Siemens trains with flat sides look boxy and dated. Are they popular and comfortable to ride in?
Let’s hope that some
Melbourneite can tell us all.
Well, back when i was working in Melbourne 4-5 years ago, I would take the train from Thornbury down to Flinders and then to Clayton and i would rather sit in the Siemens than the xtrapolis. Sure maybe the y are boxy and dated but i thought they were more smooth and comfortable,
your captions aren't lining up with the stations the trains arriving at
As several others have told me. I mucked up the names when I put better video in place of what was there before.
@@tressteleg1 yeah I realised after I made my comment
Are they auto signals that just look like home signals on the skyrail?
Yes, and must be obeyed like a home signal. Somebody’s idea to make the Skyrail ‘safer’.
Frankston line, but Southland is a current new station because the losing station between Cheltenham and Highett stations.
Damn driving on an old Hitachi??? Or a chopper Comeng?
I believe all the Hitachis were gone by the time these videos were made. All the Comeng trains have electro-mechanical power controllers.
South Yarra has 6 platforms. So the first station is actually Hawksburn
Yes, others worked that out years ago. I had to substitute a section of video from memory, and didn’t synchronise the station names properly.
The First Station is, Hawksburn not South Yarra. Hawksburn to Dandenong with Caulfield-Dandenong Skyrail.
A mistake which many have already pointed out 😊
HI
YES! Because this train was on the Sandringham line track![ If it was South Yarra ] Good observation, it had me quite confused! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
What was the undercarriage fault on the first train, very noisy?
If you mean the Tap. Tap. Tap, that was a small wheel flat caused by some axle skidding in the past. This could have been the result of careless barking or something greasy on the rail, even light rain. If the noise was something else you will have to describe it and give any clear time point in the video.
@@tressteleg1 Almost sounds like the chug chug chug of a steam engine.
Why is the train moving so slowly?
I have no idea.
I am wondering how freight trains (presuming they still exist) handle this semi rollercoaster line?....
I expect that the grades are about the same as the Mernda line namely 1:40. Also the climb is fairly short so expect that they manage fairly well but it certainly will keep the driver on his toes to keep the train on the correct speed.
@@tressteleg1 Mernda is only a commuter line (as you would know)...... freight train drivers on the Dandenong line would now face nearly similar challenges to cane train drivers ... eg, Proserpine has a load limit of 92 full 10 tonne bins plus 3.1 tonnes empty weight ... equates to 1200 tonnes... with only loco brakes and a brake wagon at the rear.
My guess is a lot more speed and momentum than a cane train. If the speed drops from 80 to 50, so what? But if speed drops from 30 to zero, you are in trouble.
Armadale station was actually Malvern station
If you look more closely, you would find three other errors, ha ha...
Thanks for this... umm just to let you know the first station isn't South Yarra
Yes, as I have explained to others .A technical glitch in preparation.
@@tressteleg1 sorry being a parrot must be trying... Not to worry thanks again
@@tressteleg1 Sorry being a parrot must be trying. We thank you
I have never been on Skyrail but it's Hawksburn to Malvern not South Yarra to Armadale
Yes the names got mixed up in preparation.
Whats with all the graffetti
The First Station is Hawkesburn. Not South Yarra. Only Drivers View between Hawkesburn and Dandenong
Yes, production mishap.
Comeng train between Hawkesburn and Westall. Siemens train between Westall and Dandenong
😊
Using the Frankston tracks due to Dandenong track work
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why didn't they triplicate between caulfield and oakleigh with skyrail... seems like a good idea
Good question. Making it impossible for extra tracks to be added is criminal.
That is a question I asked at one of the public meetings. The reply was, we are the level crossing removal authority, not the future rail planning group. It is criminal, and will cost a fortune to add another line for express and rural services sometime in the future.
The first mention of removing the level crossing at Carnegie was in 1950, so it will probably take another 70 years for them to add a third or fourth track.
The method they used, as you may have seen in one of the Dandenong videos, enabled trains to keep running but at the same time made it impossible to add an express track on the elevated sections. Even so at least one extra track could be laid on some of the ground level sections but there is obviously no heart to do this. In fact at one of the stations, the short section of third track was pulled up. It all shows a total disregard for long distance passengers.
In what country is this?
Nearly all my present day train and tram videos are in Melbourne Australia.
Very noisy train. Bad brakes?
Some brakes do squeak too much.
First station was Hawksburn not SYR. Then Toorak you’ve got as Hawksburn, then so on.
Yes I had a technical problem during preparation and did not check it after fixing.
Malvern is mislabeled as Armadale
Yes I muddled up the first few stations.
And the dale in Hugesdale is vale
But I was just pointing them out
@@joshfransisca8996 And it's Hughesdale !!!
Do Dandenong to Cranbourne
As I have replied to others, I only have one short scene on that line so far. No enough to publish.
Ok
Man south Yarra looks so different
I will be posting an HCMT and South Yarra update before long. I covered all the stations which will lose Dandenong services and those trains when the metro tunnel opens.
If the reason for Skyrail was to eliminate street-level crossings, can anyone tell me why a trench-cut solution was not used? It seems to me that it would have been less expensive.
It is debatable whether it is less expensive to dig.
There are a number of reasons for choosing trench or viaduct. The railway alignment needs to be much wider to dig a trench without stopping the rail service while it is done. Also on the Frankston line towards the south the soil is sand and very close to the bay so trenches would flood all the time. No doubt other factors are considered.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you very much. They must have done their homework.
That would require shutting down the railway for the duration of construction. With elevated they were able to continue operating while the pylons were built and the causeway laid on them.
@@tressteleg1 Receiving multiple responses has caused me to reread my comment. I realize that I didn't specify the trench was for the vehicular traffic not the trains.
Seems to me that two teams of excavators coming at the RR tracks from both sides; stopping the RR during one night/early morning hours, placing a preassembled (including rails) viaduct in place, reconnecting the rails, and then excavating under the viaduct to reconnect the roadway at each crossing would be feasible.
Alan Dunstan What you suggest has essentially been done at Essendon. The road is wide there. I don’t live in Melbourne and have little familiarity with most of the locations as I never went there. However I think we will just have to assume that those managing the projects take all options into consideration and hopefully choose the best. However I think that the desire to produce the effects required expeditiously on the Dandenong line has had a major failure in that no provision was made for the long distance trains on that corridor and with the 10 minute suburban service spend most of the time following all stops suburban trains. The way the project has been done, it would be horrendously expensive to now add in express tracks.
U got the MATH stations wrong
Yep. I know. I had to swap a section of video around Malvern somewhere but put the names in the wrong place. Shit happens.
Pakenham train between Westall and Dandenong Station via Springvale underpass
Forgot Malvern station!
It manually starts | Between South Yarra and Hawksburn, Toorak, Armadale, Malvern and Caulfield are there 4 tracks splits into 2 tracks.
(Station List: South Yarra, Hawksburn, Toorak, Armadale, Malvern and Caulfield it Forgot Malvern!)
Damn this train has loud and poor brakes.
That isn’t south Yarra station
Was wondering what happened to the Sandringham line.
It still runs exactly the same as ever apart from newer trains. No sign of any Skyrail work. I have outbound video of it.
Rode on this for 18 years from 1970, Red Rattlers, blue Harris trains and guess what, travel times have not improved
Unfortunately true everywhere.
th-cam.com/video/mtNehrCoufg/w-d-xo.html Link to video of the Caulfield to Dandenong section, on a differend mode of transport, along Skyrail.
Finally no more grade crossings
Yes, a project to benefit motorists much more than rail passengers,
@@tressteleg1it benefits everyone
Sounds like another Comeng with flat spots on the wheels, getting used to that..........
how could you get the names of the stations so wrong if you actually drive the trains on this line ? lol
I’m not a train driver and I don’t live in Melbourne. The mistake occurred because I was not happy with the quality of a section of video of this line, so substituted a better version and when I transferred the station name across, by accident it was one station out.
Nevertheless it is inspiring to meet somebody who has never made a mistake in their life😂
dandenong such a scary station....
Maybe late at night…
Cool
😊
Comeng with a Westall Service in the Late 2018's
😊
Yep, tresseleg1 please
Please what ?
Trains sounds like it has square wheels.
That tiny tap tap tap??
You obviously never rode on a W with bad flats going fast along concreted track!!
Damage this train had loud break
Skrail not only passenger peep through the neighbours windows but that cost myki fares went up can get away with fare evasion and I ran up the stairs when the door shuts in seconds I missed the train😠.
Sooner or later fare evaders get caught.
After you travel along to Murrumbeena station then next to Hughesdale station not Hughesvale!! So you need to change spelling OOP! ;)
I don’t live in Melbourne. Station names mean nothing to me so mistakes will happen sometimes.
Far out, so many curved platforms, must be big gaps. None of that in perth.
Perth is the welcome exception to the normal situation, although I am not certain about Adelaide.
Coming of moustache
Next station Hallam soon
I saw Hallam 3 weeks ago when the Tait was running. It looked like the station would open fairly soon.
And there will be Tait video sooner or later.
@@tressteleg1 thank you when video is done I well post to 18 friends (100 on light⚡)
@@carrahulley8484 That could be quite some time away. My driver had 300 clips for me 3 weeks ago and normally I would not get any more from him until next year. Wait and see.
See it in 4 years is ok
Hopefully not that long but from memory they still have to remove the crossing at Pakenham station, so I will wait until that and any other planned removals are done then do the whole line in one hit.
HI
Great! But station after Murrumbeena is HughesDALE, not VALE. Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
The names mean nothing to me. So mistakes happen ☹️
Oooo Comeng
Sandown park in the u.k is a well known racecourse
Same in Melbourne. Occasionally British names are adopted for similar locations in Australia. For example, your Newcastle was a major coal mine location, same with Newcastle New South Wales but close to our Newcastle, there are still very major coal mines
Alstom or edi
Probably both EDI Alstom
Such a shame that so many of the new stations are so exceedingly drab.
Some of that older track leaves me seasick.
Emma S Agreed.
Blooming noisy......
This is comeng
Comeng train
Always running to Westall all stations
Bu nasıl bir isimdir olm
Meaning of what word??
what is the average operating speed?
You can work it out from the public timetable and use Wikipedia to get the distances. Have fun 😄