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There is a kind of a trash exploit. After agreeing to take on neighbors trash for money, you can build incinerators to burn the trash and also generate electricity. Because it is expensive to generate the electricity that way, you can then sell that same power back to the neighbors for pretty high markup (iirc)
@@kylechristensen3326 They weren't "giving information" about something they don't know how it work, they were asking a question so they can get informed about it and learn why what Christopher said would work. Learn the difference.
So, fun little exploit. If you hold right click to pan around the screen and then place a missile silo (or any reward building for that matter) it just lets you place another one, and another one, and another one! You get the idea.
Yeah, that one's a neat trick, for sure. Similar thing, not as broken but worth knowing, if you have a Tree placement tool and hold left-click while you right-click scroll the cursor onto the bottom information display, you can release both clicks and the tool will stay on until you left-click again, comes in handy if you're placing huge forests and want to give your clicking finger a rest.
No-tax city, ironically funded by other cities' utility deals and government compensation for missile sites and waste dumping. It's funded by taxes, just not *your* taxes!
Perhaps the toll booth idea could be expanded. Why limit it to those who choose to go to work? Perhaps there could be some kind of toll booth for everyone who chooses to live in the city...
But it's got to be a physical toll booth. If you use a metaphorical toll booth then stupid people won't understand it and they'll start a political ideology about it.
he should have created choke points so he does not need to maintain so many toll booths, but keep the profits. higher density zones are also more effective, since you dont need so many streets for more inhabitants
Wowza, I can't believe how great Notaxcity is! Me and my 4 family members conjoined by mutation due to nuclear fallout following the ACCIDENT of 2055 love it here!
Heard a story like that the other day. The Governor of West Virginia during the miner strikes, Dr. Henry Hatfield (yup, those Hatfields), was advised not to go into the union striker camps where he intended to render medical aid. He beat the shit out of that advisor and continued doing whatever the fuck he wanted.
I see several options this idea can be expanded: >You can put multiple toll booths in series, they will each -tax- charge the commuters individually >toll booths are free for pedestrians. So force the commuters onto a highway which means they have to travel by car >Alternatively instead of offering the sims public transport, force them to use public transport: give them a rail connection to their jobsite and remove the road. >You already built the _Toxic waste dump_ and the _Missile testing range_ but don't forget about the _Army base, Federal Prison, Casino,_ and _Area 51._ >Many people mentioned the trash exploit already: incinerating the trash with an unfunded incineration power plant (unfunded = it won't produce power, it will still burn trash though) >Landfill sites unfortunately aren't just bulldoze-proof and fire-proof, but also meteorite-proof, tornado-proof, earthquake-proof, volcano-proof, and all other kinds of desaster-proof, as well as terraforming-proof and underwater-proof.
yeah the main thing that stops me playing these days is the traffic simulation. after real time traffic in cities skylines i cant go back to the cars just being a visual representation but will despawn after a few seconds.
Skylines has more, but only if you get all the DLC. Steep cost. SC4 feels more intricate regardless, I like the sort of 'every tile matters' approach that it takes to things, as opposed to Skylines where you can sorta just vomit zones wherever and make even vaguely reasonable highways and your city is mostly optimized. In addition for SC4, 'soft caps' on elements like traffic pollution and crime-prevention are realistic for big cities and feels right.
Since the profits from legalizing gambling obviously isn't from taxing the act of gambling, it must mean that AA himself is winning that money for the government.
In MULE, an old city-building-ish competitive game, your character literally went to go gamble at the pub at the end of each turn. You always won but the amount was random. It's a fun game even against bots, would recommend trying it out.
It’s endlessly funny that people are stupid enough to think roads and infrastructure are what taxes are for. Like 90% off your taxes go to junk that doesn’t matter, or you could buy yourself for less. Government is so inefficient.
It's because of taxes though, that not all of them look like that I'ts unfortunate that they don't get fixed sooner, but they'll still get fixed eventually (Depending on where you live)
@@wyrdean_9649 Yeah, the time is the real rub, I get that there's some paperwork but it does sometimes take an awful long time to go over there and pour some asphalt.
people who are in favor of no taxes ask them are YOU going to fix that pot hole and watch as their entire ideology crumbs trying to answer that question
@@redneckreviews3016 There is a tendency that the political parties advocating for less tax overall are also more likely to allocate taxes to inequality-producing means. Because obviously it matters what taxes go to, not just that they are a certain amount...
He's played through SC4 how many times and still doesn't know to lower coal plant's funding to like 2% at the start of the game? If anyone here is struggling with SC4, be sure you do this. Works on some other buildings too. Libraries/colleges/museums can be set pretty darn low for most of the game so you may as well get those ASAP. The Incinerator burns garbage at max even with no funding, so I highly recommend keeping that in mind, you could even apply it to a challenge like this, generate infinite money at the cost of 1 dirty city corner, no growing pile like a garbage dump.
See, when you start using words like 'scheme' and putting almost visible air quotes around it when doing dialogue, it's hard to believe this isn't nefarious. Well played.
Ally you need is TV station and contract with pharmaceutical company and you have enough money to not only make a city but also force people in it to vote on you 😅
A tax haven in sight, It's creation a sizeable blight But as the frog persists, And with 0 tax, no one was pissed, Bar two, he makes no mistake, Until the town became a state. The toll roads and garbage reeked of ass, And covered in garbage, there were no gardens and thus no grass. But his casinos were second to none And the nuclear "accidents" displayed the city was fun He blesses our ears with his musings Of the philosophical amphibians game abusing
@ambiguousamphibian - i’d love to see a 100 days in “Vintage Story” survival series! Vintage story is like minecraft but harder, more realistic and focuses more on survival. I think you’d like it alot and i’d love to see you play it on your channel!
Interestingly enough in SimCity 3000 the city with 0 tax rate will work, you can support it with business and neighbour deals as long as you forget about police, schools, hospitals... And citizens will still complain about high taxes.
The way I did no tax in Sim City 4 is to build an agrarian society with a very small and non-dense rich population. I think the Farmers Market is what makes it work.
A society with 0% tax is my worst nightmare. No taxes means nothing ever gets built, infrastructure doesn’t get maintained, and the economy falls completely flat in its face, leading to the eventual downfall of society and a Mad Max-esque dystopia.
@@dylldj you do realize that there's zero self contained society run by itself without taxes, right? You would go broke paying for these services without govt subsidy via tax
There's a glorious alternative, company towns! Where you live and die for the company, it's just like a big family! And everything you buy and own is made or sold by the company using their own funny monopoly money, that you can exchange at a loss for real money to buy things outside of the company town. Who doesn't love company towns? Communists, that's who! Are you a communist, citizen?
@@markhirsch6301 america allways had taxes , that was the reason they trew the tea at the harbor , and the new goverment didnt remove the taxes else it wouldnt be able to sustain it self
Fascinating to realise that in the absence of taxes a population only contributes labour to society, and there's no need to encourage any kind of industry or enterprise because it doesn't increase anything but city expenditure, making labour worthless Without any kind of socially funded services or projects there is basically no meaningful civic infrastructure. This "city" is effectively a shantytown, the only way you were eventually able to generate any reasonable funding was through the government, but there was ultimately nothing worth investing that funding into
Or, just maybe the exact same companies that do things for the government now could still maintain roads and the like. Taxes are objectively too high and waste of money. Go read a book instead of deciding economics based off of a bad simulation.
@@AdamantLightLP I agree that the simulation doesn't take everything into account, there aren't any bicycle lanes for example but the principle that is being demonstrated is extremely relevant, the needs of the population are only taken into account by those in authority when they generate enough taxes to justify spending money on them - you don't spend more money on people than the population itself generates, that would be wasteful in the same way companies that "do things for the government" have no incentive to provide the basic needs of the population, that would be throwing money away if they aren't directly profiting from the activity for a social structure like a city to exist, someone eventually has to be taxed (one way or another) to justify the surrounding infrastructure they benefit from, this video demonstrates that when no-one is taxed, there is no meaningful growth of the society, because every kind of growth is just needlessly expanding costs for the local authority - whether or not the authority is some kind of private enterprise or public institution so no, I don't think taxes are a waste of money, that's just objectively not true, what value does a citizen or company have if they are not able to contribute towards the society that enables their safe and prosperous existence? in the western world the main source of revenue for the state comes from enabling it's citizens and private companies to become wealthy - and in return that wealth is taxed and spent meeting in the needs people and companies and enabling them to become wealthy and provide taxes, the exact level and type of taxation that provides the best amount of societal growth is debatable, but as this video shows the level must exist somewhere above 0% if you have further reading recommendations I'd be happy to take a look, ultimately even the best economic theorists are working off models that don't fully emulate the real world.
It's only been in the 20th century that the state has decided all those things. Otherwise local communities have actually just built their own civic utilities all throughout history.
@@AdamantLightLP Pretty sure the overwhelming majority of economists agree that taxes are necessary. They may disagree on exactly HOW high they should be or how they should be spent...but I've rarely seen even conservative economists say they want zero taxes. With zero taxes you have zero military, zero diplomacy, zero borders, zero courts, zero police, zero firefighters, zero public infrastructure etc. etc. Sure those things could be picked up by private investors...but then they would exist explicitly to enrich said investors and serve their interests. An investor might support a court system explicitly so they could funnel people into their private prisons and then exploit prison labor for cheap goods (basically what we have now but even worse).
@@marcusmelville4111 a local community or tribe is still a kind of state, a tiny one but it still needs to gather the labour and "funding" to build any kind of project whether it's a road or a mud hut, the "taxes" may even be voluntary but they are still taxes towards meeting the needs of the society nonetheless the fact modern societies are massive and have lots of resources doesn't change their fundamental function
theoretically that's how all taxes work. of course in practice goverments are going to mismanage a lot of that money, either into someone's pockets or just into a hole in the ground somewhere.
@@oscarlove4394 Paying for service is not a tax. I give you electricity, you pay. Simple as that. The gov. Taking its "fair share" is the tax. If I buy the electricity from the gov untaxed, that would be a true 0 tax case
Haha as soon as you brought in the garbage dump I was thinking of that town in Connecticut that got taken over by libertarians and due to the resulting funding cuts got rid of trash pickup which caused the city to get overrun by bears. Too bad that's not a natural disaster that can happen in sim city
Just discovered your channel this year. Absolutely love all the management games you cover and your editing style. Went through your rimworld videos while going to sleep. Thanks for keeping me from spiraling. 🌀
No tax city did everything right, is just that nobody showed up to build stuff and offer services. The town council can just make a substation connected to the national grid, offer a service to electricity, people and industries are allowed to buy electricity but they are not forced, so it's not a tax, is a service fee.
In which universe do tax dollars go to pay for electricity? As a hobo who pays no taxes but does have to pay for his own electricity I would like to move there so I can mooch.
The funniest thing is the comments section treating a game with mechanics built around fun or functionality rather than realism as some kind of actual counterpoint to a real world system
Awesome video!!! Also I have a request for Spore, can you make a Creature that might be as horrifying looking as possible but wants to make friends plz?
I love how all these libertarian experiments in Sim City play out pretty much like they do in the real world. In other words, they are complete disasters.😅
There's about 4-5 buildings that make money, some of them are better/worse than others. The federal prison, army base, and casino, while having negative effects, don't cause radiation or fires like the toxic waste dump or the missile test silo.
As a resident socialist I am ironically love taxation. The thing I don't like is what some foolish politicians then spend that money on sometimes you're smart sometimes you're not guys please.
The issue with socialism though is that it completely concentrates all power into the hands of those "foolish politicians", so how can you be a socialist?
@@jimmydesouza4375 either way power is concentrated into the hands of politicians. So would you rather have capitalist concentration of power or socialist concentration of power? One wants to screw you over harder and make you a modern slave the other one gets caught up on the finer details of public transport.
@@jimmydesouza4375 And the problem with capitalism is that it concentrates all the power into the hands of corporations. I'm not defending socialism, but one could argue that they are two sides of the same coin when corruption takes hold. Ultimately, I think politics spend too much time arguing ideology when real success hinges on competent leaders with long-term plans and the ability to deliver on them, and not demagogy.
@@ivoryowl Capitalism doesn't do that. Concentration of power by corporations can only occur when monopolies are allowed to form and monopolies can only form with government assistance because without government assistance smaller companies always have competitive edges over large ones in small scale/local production which continually erodes the income base of the corporation and prevents the power concentration. Capitalism's ACTUAL problem is that it cannot exist, because there's no way to reconcile a society solely functioning based on value trading with realworld dynamics such as violence. But in general trying to work towards "capitalism" is the better option. Finally no, realworld success does not hinge on competent leaders. Many political ideologies cannot function whether or not the leadership is competent because no matter how competent they can never be omniscient, for example the "knowledge problem" in command economies. Decentralized political ideologies such as capitalism actually mitigate the effect of incompetent leaders by preventing any one "leader" by having an excessive amount of power, in the case of capitalism by limiting the amount of power that you have to how much your competence allows you to earn.
I love tax, but I think the % should increase based on how much money you make. Less than 30k, 0% tax, 30-60k, 2% tax, 60-100k 5%, etc... etc.. and if you're making 1mil-999mil, 75% tax, and 1billion and higher, a 99% tax.
Naw gotta use the swedish model. less than 30k 99%, less than 75k 80%, less than 100k 75%, over 1 million 10%, over 1 billion -25%. See its logistics, the people with no money can't afford to leave so you take everything they earn leaving them with just enough to live and the incentive to earn more to be allowed to keep more, those with lots of money need to be baited into staying to give jobs to those with no money. That is how you get a nation that pumps out children to immediately hand over to the state so that they can go back to work, children which the state can then raise into productive little drones to continue the cycle.
@@andruloni The CULTure, the tax model, the worker drone mentality... Have you seen middle class Swedish homes? Coffins have more living space. Speaking of coffins, when the world was ~shutting down for the safety of their citizens~ allegedly, Sweden was one of the few that simply told their citizens to carry on working. Say what you want about the outcome, but the reasoning was pretty dark... The tax revenue from that labor was deemed worth more the at the time projected potential 50% mortality rate. Sweden is a proud nation of communism for the poor, and capitalism for the rich.
“Would it be possible to create a fully functioning society without the need for any income tax?” Well, the U.S. didn’t even have an income tax until the 19th century, so….
Always remember to pay your road service workers or they will not be able to investigate and solve the mysterious disappearance of road vehicles in your area.
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Thank you
Your skin looks healthy and radiant
Your the best ambiguousamphibiqn
I’ve got a fun little question for you; what inspired your username? Can’t wait for the VOD btw!
There is a kind of a trash exploit. After agreeing to take on neighbors trash for money, you can build incinerators to burn the trash and also generate electricity. Because it is expensive to generate the electricity that way, you can then sell that same power back to the neighbors for pretty high markup (iirc)
This but stop the funding of incinerators, they will still burn the trash, but not make electricity
@@christopher2595 then whats the point of it your just emptying the garbage?
@@HuntergamerbenOfficialyou're making money by promising to sell energy, same with AA's third city and the dump scheme
@@theorixlux umm actually i have no experience with this game so idk how this works but i do know cities skylines
@@kylechristensen3326 They weren't "giving information" about something they don't know how it work, they were asking a question so they can get informed about it and learn why what Christopher said would work. Learn the difference.
> No tax utopia
> looks under hood
> paid for by federal taxes
They're not YOUR taxes!
@@tbotalpha8133I imagine sales taxes in this universe go straight to the federal government so ironically these guys are probably still paying taxes
The Southern Strategy
Mobile provider: 'No additional fees'
> looks at bill 1 month later
> list of additional fees
bahahahhahaha
I like the pixelated amphibious creature with the top hat. I want to see him again.
came down to the comment section to say that !
I believe the creature is some kind of amphibian, but it's sorta ambiguous.
I agree, he is a good addition.
amPixelous amphibian.
I like it. It's like seeing the squares fill up in Rimworld.
@@Frondlock *the compliment section
8:13 I absolutely love the arrow like "please for the love of god please just play the tutorial"
Absolutely. The game is weeping lol
So, fun little exploit. If you hold right click to pan around the screen and then place a missile silo (or any reward building for that matter) it just lets you place another one, and another one, and another one! You get the idea.
... huh, thank you
Yeah, that one's a neat trick, for sure.
Similar thing, not as broken but worth knowing, if you have a Tree placement tool and hold left-click while you right-click scroll the cursor onto the bottom information display, you can release both clicks and the tool will stay on until you left-click again, comes in handy if you're placing huge forests and want to give your clicking finger a rest.
No-tax city, ironically funded by other cities' utility deals and government compensation for missile sites and waste dumping. It's funded by taxes, just not *your* taxes!
Basically Shroedinger's cities as well, they and any costs they have to deal with basically don't exist if you don't play those tiles. Gotta love it.
Perhaps the toll booth idea could be expanded. Why limit it to those who choose to go to work? Perhaps there could be some kind of toll booth for everyone who chooses to live in the city...
But it's got to be a physical toll booth. If you use a metaphorical toll booth then stupid people won't understand it and they'll start a political ideology about it.
haha like taxes
he should have created choke points so he does not need to maintain so many toll booths, but keep the profits. higher density zones are also more effective, since you dont need so many streets for more inhabitants
also heres an idea do every buissness deal so maximum cash
Sounds very Spiffing Brit, But I can't remember who has tried that method
No taxes, gambling, crumbling infrastructure, the true libertarian utopia.
W city
No one is gonna maintain anything since it's none of their business 🤷♂️
I didn't see any bears.
sounded more like california, but with no taxes.
Not really since there are no private investors dealing with these issues.
Wowza, I can't believe how great Notaxcity is! Me and my 4 family members conjoined by mutation due to nuclear fallout following the ACCIDENT of 2055 love it here!
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What a notaxpilled comment
'When my advisors expressed their differing opinions, I just ignored them and continued building'.
- Every government ever
The old tory government in the uk liked to commission reports and then throw them out and commission a new one when it didn't say what they wanted
Heard a story like that the other day.
The Governor of West Virginia during the miner strikes, Dr. Henry Hatfield (yup, those Hatfields), was advised not to go into the union striker camps where he intended to render medical aid.
He beat the shit out of that advisor and continued doing whatever the fuck he wanted.
I see several options this idea can be expanded:
>You can put multiple toll booths in series, they will each -tax- charge the commuters individually
>toll booths are free for pedestrians. So force the commuters onto a highway which means they have to travel by car
>Alternatively instead of offering the sims public transport, force them to use public transport: give them a rail connection to their jobsite and remove the road.
>You already built the _Toxic waste dump_ and the _Missile testing range_ but don't forget about the _Army base, Federal Prison, Casino,_ and _Area 51._
>Many people mentioned the trash exploit already: incinerating the trash with an unfunded incineration power plant (unfunded = it won't produce power, it will still burn trash though)
>Landfill sites unfortunately aren't just bulldoze-proof and fire-proof, but also meteorite-proof, tornado-proof, earthquake-proof, volcano-proof, and all other kinds of desaster-proof, as well as terraforming-proof and underwater-proof.
pfp checks out
Man.... Simcity 4 had so many more options than modern city builders.
It’s still the greatest city sim ever made in my opinion
It's been over 20 years and we haven't come close.
Check out city skylines.
yeah the main thing that stops me playing these days is the traffic simulation. after real time traffic in cities skylines i cant go back to the cars just being a visual representation but will despawn after a few seconds.
Skylines has more, but only if you get all the DLC. Steep cost.
SC4 feels more intricate regardless, I like the sort of 'every tile matters' approach that it takes to things, as opposed to Skylines where you can sorta just vomit zones wherever and make even vaguely reasonable highways and your city is mostly optimized.
In addition for SC4, 'soft caps' on elements like traffic pollution and crime-prevention are realistic for big cities and feels right.
Since the profits from legalizing gambling obviously isn't from taxing the act of gambling, it must mean that AA himself is winning that money for the government.
In MULE, an old city-building-ish competitive game, your character literally went to go gamble at the pub at the end of each turn. You always won but the amount was random.
It's a fun game even against bots, would recommend trying it out.
I remember on one of my first playthroughs of 4, I kept taxes low and instead put gargantuan tolls on all the roads leading out of the city.
why tax when you can charge "tolls" and "infrastructure maintenence" in utility bills and on major roads
Which is exactly the definition of taxes lmao.
It’s endlessly funny that people are stupid enough to think roads and infrastructure are what taxes are for. Like 90% off your taxes go to junk that doesn’t matter, or you could buy yourself for less. Government is so inefficient.
@@qef15 _thats the joke_
You forgot the extra 20% in your pocket on top cause what are they gonna do, build competing roads?
That's exactly why you don't want privatization
"For the greater good" you know you're in the right city when the mayor says that.
The greater good.
There should be some cartoon or other satire with a goofy mayor or other leader and the city they preside over is named The Greater Good
Its what I say every time I play frostpunk
Man. I pay taxes, and some roads around town STILL look like that.
It's because of taxes though, that not all of them look like that
I'ts unfortunate that they don't get fixed sooner, but they'll still get fixed eventually
(Depending on where you live)
@@wyrdean_9649 Yeah, the time is the real rub, I get that there's some paperwork but it does sometimes take an awful long time to go over there and pour some asphalt.
Imagine getting your whole neighborhood destroyed because one house set on fire and the city doesn't have a fire department.
That was medival times throughout its entire existence
The Great Fire of London 1666.
The people of Detroit who lived through the 90s and 2000s probably could elaborate lol
Notaxonomia is perfect. Population: mayor, mayor's wife, and their three dogs! Or are they his kids... can't tell through all the mutations.
people who are in favor of no taxes
ask them are YOU going to fix that pot hole and watch as their entire ideology crumbs trying to answer that question
Well my country has people starving to death and dying because of taxes. And we have massive pot holes.....so.....
ah yes, because countries with taxes have no potholes
@@kdesikdosi5900 they shouldn't. Taxes are theft. Plain and simple. And if you defend paying taxes you are stupid.
@@redneckreviews3016 There is a tendency that the political parties advocating for less tax overall are also more likely to allocate taxes to inequality-producing means. Because obviously it matters what taxes go to, not just that they are a certain amount...
Yes, because maintaining roads would be a source of income
It's that's simple
4:28 you literally just created South Africa
#LoadSharingFTW
😂😂😂😂
Was just there in May, this is exactly what I was thinking
Ja.... Nê.....
He did a georgism
Don't call it Georgism, that implies there's more to it than a tax
0% Tax? This is what real freedom looks like
Here before this comment gets thousands of likes
Go off grid then
@@robotux7316 I'm pretty sure he can do that in the option menu. But why? 🤔
@@messire9837 I thought they were talking about real life.
@@robotux7316you still gotta pay property tax and sales tax if you buy anything. You ain’t escaping the tax man that easy
Looks like it’s time for me to move again
He's played through SC4 how many times and still doesn't know to lower coal plant's funding to like 2% at the start of the game?
If anyone here is struggling with SC4, be sure you do this. Works on some other buildings too. Libraries/colleges/museums can be set pretty darn low for most of the game so you may as well get those ASAP. The Incinerator burns garbage at max even with no funding, so I highly recommend keeping that in mind, you could even apply it to a challenge like this, generate infinite money at the cost of 1 dirty city corner, no growing pile like a garbage dump.
"we want lower taxes"
"fine, see what your hubris wraugts"
Forgot the H in wrought
Except this game doesn’t accurately depict how that would work…
@@boomerkobold3943no no, of course not.
The UK does.
@@boomerkobold3943 ancaps on their way to cry about everything
@@boomerkobold3943 the great father yakub created you
"Potholes appeared"... so it became South Carolina, only we pay taxes. Got it. 😂😭
Isn't the gambling ordinance generating income by taxing gambling?
nah, kickbacks from the mob.
Some people call it the Idiot Tax.
I think it is like the state sponsored lottery.
I like to think one of the advisors is really lucky and generous. Guy loves him some blackjack.
Actually, since it's always a flat §100 regardless of city size, that makes perfect sense.
See, when you start using words like 'scheme' and putting almost visible air quotes around it when doing dialogue, it's hard to believe this isn't nefarious.
Well played.
First city was just South Africa simulator
My favorite part is when he said "come dump" :) 5:52
...I am immature
Ha Ha Ha😂
Thank you once more for the educational video. And no, I am not being sarcastic. These videos actually remind me why we need taxes.
And how every successful "tax free" idea just has different ways of taxing you (like toll booths)
I always look to Sim City for real life examples of how things work.
@@mayamellissa ok Commie
SimCity 4 was never designed to simulate a taxless society. The experiment was non-educational entertainment.
@@boomerkobold3943 reddit tier response
Ally you need is TV station and contract with pharmaceutical company and you have enough money to not only make a city but also force people in it to vote on you 😅
can confirm in 2003 a city of 1000 cost less than a crappy apartment in 2024
A tax haven in sight,
It's creation a sizeable blight
But as the frog persists,
And with 0 tax, no one was pissed,
Bar two, he makes no mistake,
Until the town became a state.
The toll roads and garbage reeked of ass,
And covered in garbage, there were no gardens and thus no grass.
But his casinos were second to none
And the nuclear "accidents" displayed the city was fun
He blesses our ears with his musings
Of the philosophical amphibians game abusing
MAX TAX CITY: Fails because nobody pays taxes
0 TAX CITY: Fails because nobody pays taxes
i don't even know what to say at this point
Funny thing is, both are pretty accurate.
The duality of taxation.
One of the best edited videos to date. Fantastically entertaining.
0% tax? Finally something I can get behind
they dont deserve your ambiguously benevolent leadership ser
Where I am we got an extremely high tax AND pot holes everywhere
Which country
Nebraska?
Belgium?
Every country with high taxes?
Vegas? Though that'd be impossible, Vegas has no roads. Only strips. As for the pot holes... Well.
@ambiguousamphibian - i’d love to see a 100 days in “Vintage Story” survival series! Vintage story is like minecraft but harder, more realistic and focuses more on survival. I think you’d like it alot and i’d love to see you play it on your channel!
This. In the classic zomboid survival style
Interestingly enough in SimCity 3000 the city with 0 tax rate will work, you can support it with business and neighbour deals as long as you forget about police, schools, hospitals...
And citizens will still complain about high taxes.
The way I did no tax in Sim City 4 is to build an agrarian society with a very small and non-dense rich population. I think the Farmers Market is what makes it work.
A society with 0% tax is my worst nightmare. No taxes means nothing ever gets built, infrastructure doesn’t get maintained, and the economy falls completely flat in its face, leading to the eventual downfall of society and a Mad Max-esque dystopia.
You... DO realise that the private sector exists, right?
@@dylldj you do realize that there's zero self contained society run by itself without taxes, right? You would go broke paying for these services without govt subsidy via tax
There's a glorious alternative, company towns! Where you live and die for the company, it's just like a big family! And everything you buy and own is made or sold by the company using their own funny monopoly money, that you can exchange at a loss for real money to buy things outside of the company town. Who doesn't love company towns? Communists, that's who! Are you a communist, citizen?
@@nicksGLI America was just fine until we started implementing taxes around WW1
@@markhirsch6301 america allways had taxes , that was the reason they trew the tea at the harbor , and the new goverment didnt remove the taxes else it wouldnt be able to sustain it self
Pack your things, we're moving to NoTaxolonia
10:13 Bear and a horse
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Only really weird and annoying aspect of SC4, was how some foundations conformed to the terrain, while others just carved through it.
kinda makes me wonder what we could do with fireproof garbage.
50000 people used to live here... Now its a ghost town. - Third City in a nutshell.
2:54 - Like a true politician.
Would be a fun little video to show why we need taxes
What a lovely voice box you have, my good amphibious friend!
The Gabe Newell style of Mayoring.
For real, but remove the no taxes part, though.
Fascinating to realise that in the absence of taxes a population only contributes labour to society, and there's no need to encourage any kind of industry or enterprise because it doesn't increase anything but city expenditure, making labour worthless
Without any kind of socially funded services or projects there is basically no meaningful civic infrastructure. This "city" is effectively a shantytown, the only way you were eventually able to generate any reasonable funding was through the government, but there was ultimately nothing worth investing that funding into
Or, just maybe the exact same companies that do things for the government now could still maintain roads and the like. Taxes are objectively too high and waste of money. Go read a book instead of deciding economics based off of a bad simulation.
@@AdamantLightLP I agree that the simulation doesn't take everything into account, there aren't any bicycle lanes for example
but the principle that is being demonstrated is extremely relevant, the needs of the population are only taken into account by those in authority when they generate enough taxes to justify spending money on them - you don't spend more money on people than the population itself generates, that would be wasteful
in the same way companies that "do things for the government" have no incentive to provide the basic needs of the population, that would be throwing money away if they aren't directly profiting from the activity
for a social structure like a city to exist, someone eventually has to be taxed (one way or another) to justify the surrounding infrastructure they benefit from, this video demonstrates that when no-one is taxed, there is no meaningful growth of the society, because every kind of growth is just needlessly expanding costs for the local authority - whether or not the authority is some kind of private enterprise or public institution
so no, I don't think taxes are a waste of money, that's just objectively not true, what value does a citizen or company have if they are not able to contribute towards the society that enables their safe and prosperous existence?
in the western world the main source of revenue for the state comes from enabling it's citizens and private companies to become wealthy - and in return that wealth is taxed and spent meeting in the needs people and companies and enabling them to become wealthy and provide taxes, the exact level and type of taxation that provides the best amount of societal growth is debatable, but as this video shows the level must exist somewhere above 0%
if you have further reading recommendations I'd be happy to take a look, ultimately even the best economic theorists are working off models that don't fully emulate the real world.
It's only been in the 20th century that the state has decided all those things. Otherwise local communities have actually just built their own civic utilities all throughout history.
@@AdamantLightLP Pretty sure the overwhelming majority of economists agree that taxes are necessary.
They may disagree on exactly HOW high they should be or how they should be spent...but I've rarely seen even conservative economists say they want zero taxes. With zero taxes you have zero military, zero diplomacy, zero borders, zero courts, zero police, zero firefighters, zero public infrastructure etc. etc.
Sure those things could be picked up by private investors...but then they would exist explicitly to enrich said investors and serve their interests. An investor might support a court system explicitly so they could funnel people into their private prisons and then exploit prison labor for cheap goods (basically what we have now but even worse).
@@marcusmelville4111 a local community or tribe is still a kind of state, a tiny one but it still needs to gather the labour and "funding" to build any kind of project whether it's a road or a mud hut, the "taxes" may even be voluntary but they are still taxes towards meeting the needs of the society nonetheless
the fact modern societies are massive and have lots of resources doesn't change their fundamental function
I like this channel a lot. I hate the games though, i find them boring af to play. But watching you twist them around is so entertaining. Haha
The funny green frog man posted
The little ambiguous pixelated amphibians made my day. May they remain ambiguous and amphibious evermore. [at 0 taxes!]
You paying for thrbutility is not a tax.
It IS TAXED, but it is just the price of a service.
theoretically that's how all taxes work.
of course in practice goverments are going to mismanage a lot of that money, either into someone's pockets or just into a hole in the ground somewhere.
@@oscarlove4394 Paying for service is not a tax.
I give you electricity, you pay. Simple as that. The gov. Taking its "fair share" is the tax. If I buy the electricity from the gov untaxed, that would be a true 0 tax case
Haha as soon as you brought in the garbage dump I was thinking of that town in Connecticut that got taken over by libertarians and due to the resulting funding cuts got rid of trash pickup which caused the city to get overrun by bears. Too bad that's not a natural disaster that can happen in sim city
Anarcho-Capitalist Simulator looks great!
ambiguousamphibian makes me ambiguously phibian. Thank you for teaching me the ways. I will carry these lessons in my torso.
Just discovered your channel this year. Absolutely love all the management games you cover and your editing style. Went through your rimworld videos while going to sleep. Thanks for keeping me from spiraling. 🌀
Thank you! Sorry you're spiraling - hope it gets better soon
think of it as drilling deeper
Did you feel like Gavin newsom while you flicked the power off and on?
In reality you would have to Privatise everything basicly making the corps the goverment that way the goverment isn't the 1 laxing them
"Good news no taxes!"
"Now pay your 11 monthly subscription fees or we strip you of your assets."
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No tax city did everything right, is just that nobody showed up to build stuff and offer services.
The town council can just make a substation connected to the national grid, offer a service to electricity, people and industries are allowed to buy electricity but they are not forced, so it's not a tax, is a service fee.
In which universe do tax dollars go to pay for electricity? As a hobo who pays no taxes but does have to pay for his own electricity I would like to move there so I can mooch.
The funniest thing is the comments section treating a game with mechanics built around fun or functionality rather than realism as some kind of actual counterpoint to a real world system
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh Shut up and pay for my electricity.
@@grugnotice7746 No u
Awesome video!!! Also I have a request for Spore, can you make a Creature that might be as horrifying looking as possible but wants to make friends plz?
But that wasn't real capitalism! Next time it will work!
"Do you like roads? THEN YOU LIKE TAXES!"
~The Great And Mighty Kevin
I love how all these libertarian experiments in Sim City play out pretty much like they do in the real world. In other words, they are complete disasters.😅
the best exploit in the game is waste to energy plan, set usage to 1%, it costs like 10$ a month but burns trash at its full capacity
This is a 100% accurate simulation of libertarian society.
Very funny joke, never heard that one before
@@JJAB91 triggered libertarian alert
@@JJAB91 where is the joke though
Its California if it had no taxes.
But infrastructure is crumbling everywhere?
interesting choice of music when you're "striking a deal" for a nuclear test site :D
at 4:30 so far all hes built is south africa o.o
and we do pay tax
Tell me you can't afford to admit you're californian without telling me...
The city block fire was actually the only way they could stay warm during the winter
Ah, gentrifying the nuclear test site.
i love your pixel art avatars
Welcome to Dubai!
This feels very familiar to people who watch urbanism channels.
Babe, wake up, ambiguous just posted!
When I need extra cash in SimCity 4, I usually just spam the police and mayor driving missions.
This is what would happen if Libertarians took over a city instead of just a small town in NH where they then got eaten by bears.
No.
@@boomerkobold3943 cope
@@boomerkobold3943amazing rebuttal… I would expect nothing less from a libertarian.
Why do people defend paying taxes?
@@redneckreviews3016We understand how a functioning society works.
Just like modern day Britain. But without the high taxes.
AA unintentionally created eastern europe
There's about 4-5 buildings that make money, some of them are better/worse than others.
The federal prison, army base, and casino, while having negative effects, don't cause radiation or fires like the toxic waste dump or the missile test silo.
6:48 oh no. He is goin to launch an meteor on the city.
Notaxalionia.... potholes, power outages... sounds like you just recreated my home town
As a resident socialist I am ironically love taxation. The thing I don't like is what some foolish politicians then spend that money on sometimes you're smart sometimes you're not guys please.
The issue with socialism though is that it completely concentrates all power into the hands of those "foolish politicians", so how can you be a socialist?
@@jimmydesouza4375 either way power is concentrated into the hands of politicians. So would you rather have capitalist concentration of power or socialist concentration of power? One wants to screw you over harder and make you a modern slave the other one gets caught up on the finer details of public transport.
@@theworkshopwhisperer.5902as one socialist another, I'd take better public transport over wage-slavery any day!
@@jimmydesouza4375 And the problem with capitalism is that it concentrates all the power into the hands of corporations. I'm not defending socialism, but one could argue that they are two sides of the same coin when corruption takes hold. Ultimately, I think politics spend too much time arguing ideology when real success hinges on competent leaders with long-term plans and the ability to deliver on them, and not demagogy.
@@ivoryowl Capitalism doesn't do that. Concentration of power by corporations can only occur when monopolies are allowed to form and monopolies can only form with government assistance because without government assistance smaller companies always have competitive edges over large ones in small scale/local production which continually erodes the income base of the corporation and prevents the power concentration.
Capitalism's ACTUAL problem is that it cannot exist, because there's no way to reconcile a society solely functioning based on value trading with realworld dynamics such as violence. But in general trying to work towards "capitalism" is the better option.
Finally no, realworld success does not hinge on competent leaders. Many political ideologies cannot function whether or not the leadership is competent because no matter how competent they can never be omniscient, for example the "knowledge problem" in command economies.
Decentralized political ideologies such as capitalism actually mitigate the effect of incompetent leaders by preventing any one "leader" by having an excessive amount of power, in the case of capitalism by limiting the amount of power that you have to how much your competence allows you to earn.
You have marvelous hair, and I'm jealous of generously endowed bossum.
I love tax, but I think the % should increase based on how much money you make.
Less than 30k, 0% tax, 30-60k, 2% tax, 60-100k 5%, etc... etc.. and if you're making 1mil-999mil, 75% tax, and 1billion and higher, a 99% tax.
Naw gotta use the swedish model. less than 30k 99%, less than 75k 80%, less than 100k 75%, over 1 million 10%, over 1 billion -25%. See its logistics, the people with no money can't afford to leave so you take everything they earn leaving them with just enough to live and the incentive to earn more to be allowed to keep more, those with lots of money need to be baited into staying to give jobs to those with no money. That is how you get a nation that pumps out children to immediately hand over to the state so that they can go back to work, children which the state can then raise into productive little drones to continue the cycle.
@@theprophetofhate7188 what?
@@unscenegamers Reality.
@@theprophetofhate7188 What's swedish about it?
@@andruloni The CULTure, the tax model, the worker drone mentality... Have you seen middle class Swedish homes? Coffins have more living space.
Speaking of coffins, when the world was ~shutting down for the safety of their citizens~ allegedly, Sweden was one of the few that simply told their citizens to carry on working. Say what you want about the outcome, but the reasoning was pretty dark... The tax revenue from that labor was deemed worth more the at the time projected potential 50% mortality rate.
Sweden is a proud nation of communism for the poor, and capitalism for the rich.
You built Breezewood, PA
wow
Hahah, you went back to taxation, just with an extra step, hahaha.
“Would it be possible to create a fully functioning society without the need for any income tax?” Well, the U.S. didn’t even have an income tax until the 19th century, so….
Always remember to pay your road service workers or they will not be able to investigate and solve the mysterious disappearance of road vehicles in your area.
It's almost like taxes are good!
Now if we can just figure out how to keep our politicians from pocketing it all...
Im surprised that ambiguous actually knows what a brown out is👍
Pretty much like every libertarian "experiment" ever
Works better than communism. Not enough dead people.
I say we reelect Ambig for another round of cities! What could go wrong.