Should You Put Your Race on Your College Application?
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Race inevitably helps shape our identities. But when it comes to college applications, there are several things to consider before deciding how or if to reveal that information.
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Another honest and helpful video, Brook , thank you ! Wow, here we clearly have blatant discrimination, right in front of us - students having to tone down their „ Asian-ness „- what a shame ! I am not Asian , but I admire how nearly all Asian parents in our schools put their families and their kids‘ education above all, often denying themselves things that most American parents never would, all so that their kids get the best educational opportunities- only to be penalized for that !!! Shame upon the system that puts these intelligent , hard-working kids in a position to hide their ethnicity instead of proudly displaying it !
My Question: For the Biracial Caucasian/East Asian applicants: What do we do when the checkbox is gone and the last name is obvious Asian? How can the applications not be judged prior to anyone even getting to know the applicants/the admissions team reading beyond their last names without bias?
My rant: bc this will soon be my children’s reality…so frustrated for every Asian and biracial child that has to battle this now and in the upcoming years; all the applicants’ exceptional work, effort (most likely done in extreme environments & pressure while straddling two cultures!) disregarded because of their race (or a part of it)…I just…my heart…breaks for these kids.
My kids are working so hard to improve academically. I spent a lot time to help them. Sadly this country doesn't judge people by their merits but the color of their skin. 😢 millions of people are hiding their identites to avoid prejudice and disadvantage, this is true systemic racism.
Hey, what if I’m technically half Hispanic half Asian? (Half Cuban, half Indian) would you recommend mentioning my race/ethnicity?
Father of multiethnic kids: like Brooke said, if you can make a good story, do it.
@@jhmrem colleges aren’t interested in immigrant stories anymore. They don’t care
What’s your story, though? If the half Indian doesn’t come up necessarily in what you think is your best essay I wouldn’t bring it up. But if you can’t tell your story without it, then tell a great story.
And I wouldn’t check the box except the Hispanic one … but that’s bc I think the box is literally only going to hurt you… telling a story is different
@@SupertutorTVit’s only somewhat relevant to my story; it has to do with my childhood struggles and how I’m moving forward to break an unhealthy cycle in my family (at least my draft is; I’m not even a junior yet so this is just thinking in advance) I ask about the race/ethnicity because I partially mention my parents’ background as context for what’s happened and part of what caused my experience
I think we should have specialized schools for Engineering and Medical studies like India and China. In these institutions we can have academic excellence as 75% importance in the application. Anything humanity or (some unemployable) personally enriching degrees can have this ridiculous “diversity is the strength” application style! BTW we need to see “racism” in context-as in people in every group can be racist towards another group. So this “brown” or POC special treatment because they gave “racism” is soon going to be out of context in a multicultural society where nobody is a super majority like in most big cities /states in USA
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If you want to get into UCLA, don’t put down “Caucasian” on your application.
Most people who live in that state are Caucasian just like the rest of the US, so it won’t hurt you 😂
Using race to judge an college applicant is absolutely disgusting.
It is, but it’s a disgusting strategy, and one that works as far as the colleges are concerned
Using SAT to judge a college applicant is disgusting. Class rank only.
@@greg8354 It's no one's fault except your own that you didn't do well on it.
@@badereric The SAT gives significant advantages to successful families. Obviously an expensive tutor that most families can't afford makes a big difference. (If it didn't there wouldn't be an industry devoted to it).
What is an SAT score proving?
Knowing obscure vocabulary words won't help most people in life. Knowing Algebra II and Geometry won't help the vast majority of people in life.
@@greg8354 The vocabulary section of the SAT (which I agree was bad) was removed a while ago. Regardless of what knowing algebra II or geometry does for you later in life, the fact of the matter is that if you can't learn algebra II you are not going to be successful in college.
The SAT is the ONLY standardized and the most fair thing in the college admissions process. I have spent $0 on private tutors, private admissions counseling etc, go to an underfunded title 1 HS and I was still able to score a 1590 in one take with khan academy as my only study material. While I can't deny that there is some benefit attached to tutoring and the like, the benefit one gains from receiving SAT tutoring can't compare to things like having nonprofits set up directly by one's parents (my point here is that extracurriculars are a good example of something that is much easier to game for someone who is very wealthy or whatever.) The main selling point of my college application was my academics (4.0, 1590) because my ECs and honors were extremely weak (I didn't even know about things like AMC until senior year for example)
I apologize for my initial aggressiveness. I just don't think comparing racism to a college admissions exam is ever appropriate.
Asking for race in a college application is just something that shouldn’t be allowed at all. Like isn’t this racism at its peak or am I missing something?
It’s definitely not racism at its peak but it’s definitely racism
Admitting athletes with poor grades into college isn't fair.
@@greg8354 Exactly. Being great at any sport including Lacrosse or Golf should not give you an edge over students who don't play sports and have excellent grades.
@@kimberlylemon4094but, shouldn't people who struggled in school have the same opportunity to go to college? I think we should have gpa quotas, why marginalize thoes who say, had a bad home life, or undiagnosed learning disability?
@@kimberlylemon4094some kid at my school committed to uchicago for their sport. they barely take any advanced classes and have barely any extracurriculars besides their sport. pretty sure they dropped some difficult classes as well. however, their parents are EXTREMELY wealthy. very weird…
I checked the Asian-American checkbox and I did get rejected from UNC- Chapel hill just a few hours ago🙂
I checked back and got rejected twice
Even if you don't check a box (unfortunately) sometimes a distinguishing factor is your "sir" name which can still identify your ethnicity on an application. Its very sad that people are still judged on race in this country and a lot of colleges including the IVY league schools really need to take a good look at there demographics.
Can’t the schools tell that you are Asian by just taking a look at your last name whether you check the race box or not?
Hey Brooke, loved your videos about colleges. Can you make more transfer college videos? I feel that transferring has less resourse on the internet generally, so I would really appreciate if you can make more videos on that.
@@Toutuu98 I am currently at a four year university trying to transfer to another 4 year university. I know, it's not the 'normal' path, the reason I want to transfer is to save money so.... I just want to know how to increase my chances to get in the school I want.
@@Toutuu98 she did made some videos for transfering students, but I feel that it's outdated or maybe too general. I want to transfer into a UC and funny enough, I'm in another UC.
As a Sikh Punjabi from India, should I put it on my college app? It is an underrepresented minority, and a major part of my identity
Its up to you, but here is the thing, they will see your last name and probably know by your name that you are Punjabi, so really, it dosent matter if you check the box or not
You articulated this very sensitive subject very well. I’m African American and my youngest daughter was accepted into Brown ED ‘27. She is an IB student with excellent grades, a leader (or Founder/Creator) in 6 organizations, has worked at the same job for 2 years, and the creative position she took in articulating her story, blew me away. She went test optional. So I agree with your assessment.
im mexican but also asian, but my name is liek fully asian and i definetely look somewhat mixed leaning towards asian. What should i do?
same question
Well they won’t dee you until you’re already admitted, so I don’t think your appearance could affect anything. Your name however, well there’s nothing you can really do about it I guess.
Mark latino/hispanic if you want. It's entirely true. Also, they will see your mother's name (you put it on the commonapp) so you should be good.
Asians:
Don’t check box unless Cool Asian
Not stereotyped activities (tennis, fencing)
X Cliche essay on ESL
Go big or go home
IF UNDERREP, highlight struggle
GPA inflated, test optional
Thanks Brooke, I watch your videos everyday and I find them really helpful, and especially this one. I wanted to ask you a question if it's okay. The thing is that you said students from an underrepresented minority should write their essays about their background. I am from Ethiopia(which is in Africa in case you don't know) and according to what you said, African-American students are one underrepresented minorities. So talking about background, what things could be "backgrounds" that I could use in my essay. Are they ...like....economic backgrounds, or cultural backgrounds.......... I'm out of thoughts and I really want you to help me on this one, if I'm not being rude.
Thanks!
(Funny) compelling story
Asian in rock band > white student 😎
Welp, if you can't beat them. Join them. I "believe" im Whte ✅️.
Hey, I'm an African from Namibia. Would you consider it "clichè" if I wrote an essay about not knowing my mother tongue.
It may be cliché unless it has personal growth about your culture and diversity.. a compelling narrative is required to avoid being labelled as cliché
@@MorganGiven-nn7ki Thank you
Brooke - appreciate how you give good advice without beating around the bush
What is the “valuable” thing that a URM brings just based on their race? This is getting so crazy in America that instead of really following MLK advice “judge me for my character and not my skin color”, we are not literally judging admission applications on skin color because apparently if you are a special color we call you “URM” and deem you worthy of admission over someone who needs to pay the price of the hard work and ethics their race as a group established in society!
Urm has nothing to do with your skin color lol white Hispanics are an urm
Including non-STEM classes in a GPA isn't fair. Taking 3 AP Art classes shouldn't help.
Some people struggle more in different ways, and besides, most majors still require a mix of academic credits
But I get it.
I mean colleges will look at what classes you took. So if you're going for a stem career taking AP calculus would probably be better
yes! i am so frustated about the fact that i had a really bad and lazy art 1 teacher my freshman year and i got a D in that class even tho ive had only As in IB and AP classes (core classes)
Should you put race on your college application?
Yes, if it is going to help one specific group of people to get in college while another group stays out of college...
No, if it is going to keep one specific group of people out of college while another group gets in college...
What do you think will happen to this trend post-Affirmative Action ruling?
You can tell if the student is Asian from lastname, it can not be hidden
I've seen it go the other way with mixed kids specifying a race that they believe will give them an edge.
should be illegal to ask
Hi, is 1 semester of prerequisite full time ok to transfer from Community College to University?
Considering most Universities are left leaning in political views, could writing about being a conservative add value to your application by bringing diversity in political views?
I wish lol, these liberal universities will silence and avoid conservatives. It's double standards and idiocracy.
99% of college don’t really care what box you check. Particularly state schools that do index admissions. This really only applies to like maybe 10 schools.
They do care otherwise they wouldn't have it
@@blacklyfe5543 they put it by law. They required to collect demographic data
I'm a dual US and Brazil citizen, African-American and latino all at the same time. I also have European heritage though most of us have it anyway. I didn't hide my race and ethnicity at all. I hope I have higher chances of getting in due to my diversity lol
hi im also a dual us and brazilian citizen lol and did the same thing🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
You are wrong! It is not in the interest of under represented minorities to be known as such. This will increase your chances for being _USED_ as a token. If you can not get in without the underrepresented label, then it is in your best interest go to some other school where you can make it without covert quotas. If you get in without the preparation because the schools wanted to make their numbers look good, then you increase the risk that you will flunk out, or be forced to downgrade your major. You want to go somewhere you know in your gut that you belong there.
Better to go to a lower rated school where you can make it without help than risk be used as a token by some high class school.
But your school councilor won't tell you this. It is good for the career of the school councilor, to be the councilor of someone who got into Harvard. Everywhere you look, there are people who have interests, that are not your interest.
But if you can get into Harvard without the checkbox, then you go in knowing you belong there.
By not checking the under represented box, you are forcing the school to evaluate you fairly.
I do not really think you should go to Harvard even if you are an Einstein. The court cases show that schools like Harvard are too busy playing political games to be interested in true learning. I think Einsteins should find out where all the Asians that can't get into Harvard are going, and then go there, if they can make it without check boxes. That is where the real academic excellence is.
Very interesting and informative video. Affirmative action has definitely been a hot topic in college access lately. If it goes away, and one of the factors used to determine eligible and diverse students suddenly becomes their social economic background, I imagine that would be a very challenging road to go down. I work in college access, which essentially means that we work with high school students in low college attending regions to try and get these students to complete their financial aid applications, get access to scholarships, and eventually go to college. The main demographics we serve are Hispanic and Vietnamese. One of the great challenges is that many students are first generation and do not have resources at home or the navigational capital to figure out how to get access to financial aid and be on track to attend college. More so, we have found that certain demographics are not trusting of things that they feel are too good to be true and that financial aid it’s something they don’t trust. It’s all very complicated. We can promote our services and go into classrooms and work with students one on one to try and help them start their financial aid journey, but getting them to finish, and getting their parents on board to support them, is the battle unto itself. Honestly, The struggle of Trying to get students to accept aid could be a 20 minute video onto itself.