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My 73 Plymouth Scamp is Missing the VIN Numbers! Stolen? IT BLEW UP!! *DISASTER* $100 Giveaway!
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The VIN on the door sticker appears to be for a 1973 plymouth Scamp. VH23G3B164210. That decodes as a 1973 Plymouth Scamp(V- Valiant H- High trim line 23- 2 door hardtop) with a 318, built at Dodge main (G-318 2bbl, 3-1973, B-Dodge main. it looks like the production date is either 10-72 or 1-73...couldn't make it out. If that's a C instead of a G in the VIn, it means it was originally a Slant Six. The number you found on the weatherstrip rail may only be the order number which was on the fender tag, which is missing. Those holes on the passenger inner fender are NOT where the fender tag went. That's where the vacuum pod and heater control valve went when that car had air conditioning, which somebody removed. The fender tag is on the left inner, just aft of the battery. There was also a tune up sticker there..."This vehicle conforms to 1973 model year etc etc"
The engine also has casting dates and numbers on the sides of the block, as well as a partial VIN stamped into a pad on the passenger side just above the oil pan rail. The displacement is also stamped into the front face of the block just below the left cylinder head. The transmission also has a partial vin stamped into the case on a pad partway up the right side of the bellhousing. That's alarming that somebody removed the VIN plate from the dash, but what PROBABLY happened is they took out and sold the original uncut (radio) dash for $$ and installed another one to put that awesome gauge arrangement in.
You can do some paint detective work to see if the driver's door paint is the same as the body. You can pull off the door panel and investigate. With enough digging you'll find original paint. If the driver door matches the body color then chances are that's your original VIN on the door sticker. I think you can get repo vin plates made WITH PROOF of ownership and VIN. I know they sell the transfer sticker that goes on the plate.
Two things to always remember about buying vintage Mopars:
1: Unless the person spends a lot of time or money or both, they do lazy bullshit work like you see here. They have no imagination...they are always painted orange, yellow or green on a car this year which was never those colors. They were mostly tan, brown or green. They remove the AC because they are too lazy to get it going again and lack the understanding of how hard those components are to find now. Those of us that are around Mopars can see every single shortcut they took.
2: a good lesson to not EVER pay that kind of money for a Mopar unless it has a VIN TAG, a FENDER TAG, preferably a broadcast sheet and they all MATCH. My '68 Valiant is worth half of what you paid for that and has all of those. Not beating you down, but ALWAYS REMEMBER that.
Out of all the vehicles you’ve ever had on this channel, I think this one is my favorite. I’m not a mopar guy but I really do like this car. I agree for the price you paid and the damage that it had, maybe a little on the higher side but it’s still a really nice car, probably fast as hell if it topped out at 70 with half throttle lmao.
No car is perfect stay with the dodge
"Rosette" rivets drilled out on the dash. The data tag(s) aren't on the passenger side, they'd be where the MSD box is- only 2 screws hold it onto the inner fender.
There is a "Hidden" VIN underneath by the front of the leaf spring mount. I know '67-'76 A-bodies really well
Passenger side leaf spring mount area
That low voltage wire going to the MSD box could have caused that hard starting on your first trip with Randy. Seemed like it would start up but then struggle restarting. Just a thought.
It's the perfect Drag Car!. Don't have to worry about the VIN number. No taxes on the vehicle. No registration requirement.
That extra rod leading to the carb goes back to the transmission to automatically downshift it when you stomp on it. You have no heater hoses hooked up would be my guess as to why you have no heat. That set up is a super classic set up. Please never sell it. Work out the small issues. It will be worth it. If I had ten grand, I would be in your face in a New York minute !!
Probably leaking heater core. Happened in my Valiant. Froze my ass off in Chicago.
This kinda looks like a teenager's project. The car has been in an accident or something, it was lazily put back together, some things didn't work so they were like "Oh heck with it" and left it alone.. oh well, it's gone now anyways. Waiting for the other classic project Randy, keep 'er goin!
If the car VIN get's straightened out - carry on, make it right. If you lose the car, get that other scamp - if the body is salvageable (i.e. just surface rust), do it right. Either way, loving the dart content.
Register and Use it as a "Farm Utility Vehicle Only".. That way you can drive it to town and back to pick up Bird Seed, Dog Food, any animal food etc.....It will work.
Chrysler ignition works door and ignition. And round key opens trunk and a lockable glove box.
Door was changed, no biggie Numbers on rad support should match ones on quarter lip
I remember you saying that Santa's Workshop sent you a message saying that he was just down the road from you and he'd like to help. I joined up to watch him right after that having watched his channel. Another top quality channel with great content. Shame the Scamp didn't work out. Looks like the only thing that the builder did properly was get the colour combination right. Basket of tools and a shade tree does not make someone a car builder.
I hope everything works ago with a car so have a good day having a good night
I bought a 1999 Nissan Maxima from a "friend" of mine... brought it our family mechanic for repairs. He told me none of my vin numbers matched the car. He said the firewall vin was for a 1996 Nissan Maxima, the door vin was for a 98 Maxima and the vin plate was for a 1996 Nissan Altima. In my state, I did not need a title because the car was so old. This really weirded me out lol.
Why no vin on dash looks new I gotta buy new dash for my truck but the vin is in door jam and on door
Great video AGAIN man. Please keep up the great work man. I love the long format videos.
This is by far one of your BEST videos !! Loved It !
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I so loved all your videos. It’s awesome. I actually learned a lot about cars and how to thoroughly examine a car when buying. The first thing after I came home from work, go straight to TH-cam to see if there is any videos from you. My eyes are just glued to the TV. Hopefully one day I can get to meet you. Love all your content. I just love cars…. I like that Mustang u have up on the lift.. hopefully everything goes well with the car. God bless!
The plug in the rad hose shows you the intelligence of the people who slapped that car together. Did you not look for the dash vin right away?
That’s honestly the reality of classic cars that have been modified, we fall in love with the looks, the smell, the feel but when you look into the history of the car it can be an utter lemon or a mechanical nightmare. As you pointed out, it’s rough ridding, it’s set up all wrong and has fallen prey to what I call “Amatuer modification” while it definitely looks cool and is improved, the ways it’s Been done are definitely not the right way. But what we love is your brutal honesty, if anything you’re letting people be more aware when purchasing a classic car that’s been mod.
The fact the door lock won't turn by the ignition key is not necessarily something sinister...
Guys often replaced ignition switches and saved ten buck by not buy the complete set with matching door locks. So they then had two of the diamond keys.
You can be Mr. Skinflint by taking the door locks apart and swapping pins until you get an arrangement where your ignition key will work. Typically you can get three out of five to work in new locations.
I'm enjoying the videos on this car. I agree with Santa's workshop. Keep the aftermarket gauges.
loved the ending Randy! can't wait for the next video!
On the four barrel linkage cut about a inch off the tube surrounding the inside cable had a chevy truck that I had the same problem.
That radiator hose plug thing is unbelievable, just wow, you sure got Lucky, hoping the vin thing gets worked out in your favor
After market
Maybe the easy burnouts are the rear end gearing. Maybe it started life as a slant 6. It's still a badass MOPAR. The hemi orange looks great on anything.
Definitely use the aftermarket actual gauges. Wondering if you still have the '73 Regal? If you do I'm interested.
73 Regal sold at auction few days ago
After market gauges
That car fought like hell to make it to your home so you could fix all of it's ailments.
Amazing that it made it to Oklahoma.
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The door lock cylinders are fine. None of my cars have working door locks because of how big of a pain they are to redo. Ignition and trunk cylinders are all I did.
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Keep the aftermarket gauges. It looks dope as hell!
It is hard to see, but it looks like the transmission linkage from the carb is either not hooked up or not present. That big stud sticking out to the left if where it should be.
The thing has a slot so there is some movement before it starts pushing back on the lever.
If you run without it, with the lever full forward (upshift signal) or full backward (downshift signal), you will get wrong shifts and burn out your trans. If it is full back, you will know it because shifts are severely delayed.
Dude. You Rock. Keep videos coming. Been watching ya for a while and ready enjoy what ya bring to your channel. AJ. From Little Rock AR
One of the ribs under the headliner had the vin stamped on it on one of my older dodges
If ANYBODY could help you, it would be Mark from Graveyard Carz! Try to use your TH-cam prestige to get Mark on FaceTime or something. That would make a great and informative video.
I think I have enjoyed this experience more than usual I love the old darts and valants
Check behind the glove box there could be another build sheet there, it’s seems a lot easier to change seat and door vs rear inner quarter. I know on some mopars the number in the trunk could be build number not vin but I thought that was post 1969 good luck
They only used SO numbers on 68 and down it’s on data plate on fender if present and legit
@@jeffrogosz9995 that’s what it was shipping order number I couldn’t remember old age for ya
This is funny. I have to do this same job on my 1974 Dart 318. My water pump just gave out.
I had those same manual vent doors in my first Valiant. Went to the beach one day and let the waves crash over my car... until water came pouring out of those vents and filled my car. 🤣
Ok Randy you probably bought a junkyard special. They get a bunch of parts from a junkyard and assembled a car from those parts. No VIN numbers will ever match
Your backwards. It’s 12 volts at crank and 8 volts at run position. That was to keep the contacts from building up on one side.
going thro a hardtime in my life! just found your videos u keep me going really wish i could be there to help you! enjoy all videos
Keep your head up brother! Thank you for watching!
Some carbs have an additional hole in the throttle linkage plate which is there for use on Mopars. Holleys have 3 holes and you’ll need the bottom hole for it in that bracket plate so it’s closest to the throttle shaft to get it to work as Mopars have a shorter throw on the throttle cable and unless the linkage is relocated to the bottom of the 3 holes you will never get full throttle unless you switch over to either a Ford or GM gas pedal and cable assembly, and that kick down linkage has to be hooked up or you will likely encounter transmission problems and potential failure. It was explained to me years ago that without it downshifting for passing in a Mopar without it was a very bad idea. It’s possible I was misled, but I don’t think so.
Definitely keep the after market. Glad you found the VIN. Hopefully it’s not stolen! Just blows me away the hack job poor car!
Mark Worman, owner of "Graveyard Carz" in Springfield, Oregon could positively tell you exactly where each VIN stamp/tag on that car can be found. Also, Tony D'Agastino of Tony's Mopar parts could tell you the same. I hope things do work out for you!
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Keep the after market gauges. The trans in most of them was the 727. The 904 was used in the big Polaris, imperial and trucks that used hemi motor
I think you have it the other way around. The 727 was used behind big engines and behind smaller engines in heavier vehicles. The 904 and other later engines that start with 9 are the lighter duty transmissions. But , yeah, keep the aftermarket gauges. Why not if they work?
@@auteurfiddler8706 I rebuilt my 727 in a Fury III with a360 cid myself. The owner of a transmission shop said he would teach me how to rebuild it of I bought the rebuild kit from him.
I put every part from that kit into that 727. When I put it back in the car, it would not go forward or reverse. I called the owner of the shop, he asked what kit number I had. He told me the kit was for a 727&904. The only difference was the 904 had one extra clutch disk and ring. He told me to remove 1 disc and ring.
I did and it ran perfect till several years i sold the car. The shop owner told me about the difference between the 727 & 904. My cuda had a318 with a 727, and my 71 charger had a 383 with a 727 . My friend had a Dodge dump truck that had a 904.
Wonder if you could have a heater now?
I have a similar problem. I got a guy's "parts car" and one of the parts he swapped was the dash. I got the cruddy dash he took off his good car. Not installed, just tossed in on the floor.
But he didn't keep the right vin with the right car. So I have the wrong vin for the car. Not even the right year. The original is long gone according to the previous owner. It is not a Mopar, also... The DMV may give me an "assigned vin" if I ever get up the nerve to approach them.
Well the hoses to the heater core are absent but I don't see the tubes they would attach to on the firewall. Perhaps the heater core is missing.
If u can get the aftermarket speedometer working keep it if not go back factory
Probably such a big radiator helped plus winter time.
It’s the same but it won’t work between a slant and a v8 because the starter location on the bell housing is comepletly different Randy
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You guys are great. We are all okies, so i hope to run into you guys one day at a car show or something.
Keep up the good work!
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the only 2 reasons i can think that plug would be there is
a) the manufacturer put it there to prevent damage during storage and transport or
b) someone removed the thermostat and put that there to restrict flow
The 904 transmission for a slant 6 has one less Flex than 904 for a 318 .you need a727 for that. Motor with that power
Check door jam they may have painted over vin plate but should be one there to
I would typically say 100% go back.to the original guages, but in this case these guages were very well done and look great. The parts car is money well spent too.
in idaho they would send a cop out the check all the vins make sure its not stolen . then they put a rat rod vin plate on it and a peace of paper to take down and register them.
The 904 was offered with the 225-6 and the 318. The car with the current set up i see a 904 would grenade with the power im seeing . i truly believe its a 727
great shows keep up the good work
Randy I feel the same way about my car lol I hate it ive even sold it and bought it back but i love it lmao
Not 100% positive, But I believe on Darts / Swingers / Scamps, They had a partial VIN # on the inner fender support on the driver's side ?
Take out the upper fender bolts & move the fender out a bit a number should be about where Santa's hand is
@ 16:26 in your video !!!
Hope it works out for you or you can give the car to me 😆 in New Hampshire anything 1999 or older doesn't need a title
and a VIN check is a joke !!!
This car is a Hooptie, really the only word for it.
Still have the City House and calling it home.
Randy, the trunk key on Mopars prior to 1990 was a standalone and wouldn't work the doors or the ignition. The ignition key SHOULD open the passenger doors. If not, um....
Randy Hey kid if the speedo is not working just use your phone on maps, put in your destination and while you drive it should tell you you speed. I enjoy watching you, wist there was a Copart back when I was working on cars.
im not 100% sure but there is usually a sticker in the glove box of all vehicles is there a vin on it?
Not sure how they can prove it was stolen, if VIN on dash is gone. The seat and door VIN were probably from a non stolen car in a junk yard. Hope you get it straightened out. It's like a soap opera. Can't wait for the next episode!
Did these models come with a fan shroud? If they did, hopefully your parts car will have one, which will be very helpful in reducing engine temp.
And help prevent something hitting the fan again.
WOW !! So the VIN on the door and the build sheet match? FOR SALE: Dodge Scamp with numbers matching door and crumpled sheet! LOL
If the car was mint I would use factory, but with all the repairs it has the aftermarket dash looks great , save the factory if a purest buys it they have that option.
The VIN missing or not matching on the dash pad of Chrysler's of this vintage isn't uncommon as you'd think. It was a bad idea that they riveted it to the removable dash pad unlike other manufacturers to the windshield frame or dash frame underneath.
Thanks for the video Randy
Now to fix the water leaks from roof and windows. What happened with the VIN?
I'll have to watch the rest of the videos and see if you put a fan shroud on it. It keeps the pesky rocks away from your radiator.
Looks like a good candidate for a track or drag race car.
Just bc the build sheet in the seat matches the door doesnt mean the door and seats couldnt have came from another car. either way hope it works out for you. I just wouldnt trust a build sheet on a car that has been worked on such as this one. It's also missing the fender tag.
Now you know why Copart took the car to Virginia to sell it.
That is weird that a car from Louisiana was at a copart in Virginia being sold as a flood car. So did the old owner do a Insurance job on the car? In order for a claim to go through the car has to have a vin tag on it
YOU GOT A LIFT, fix the rear main the right way, pull that trans off in an hour
No wipers either? It feels like it was a project that someone was 85% done with and ran into a "Need Cash NOW" situation so they slapped it together and sent it to auction, I bet they had all the vin plates somewhere but they didnt get put on for some reason after paint a body work was done.
Round key is only for the trunk & glove box lock only. If the locks in the door go bad, it's easy to pop new ones in...the column? You have to pull the wheel & column partially to replace the cylinder.
My '76 Valiant has the Formula S/A38/A51 suspension. It handles better than you'd think and rides decent- I run the old vintage Mopar cop wheels with 60 series black wall Bridgestones
I think there was a 340 in this car and the owner pull it out and stuck a old 318 back in it to get rid of it, chrome it up and get rid of it. we bought a super Bee a few year ago, and that's what the guy did he jerk the High performance 383 out and stuck an old 383 back in it it's common .
I like that orange mess it’s worth the effort to get it tagged ,once it’s proven not to be stolen they can retag it. I think we’ll NY does it.
My theory about the plugged hose could be that someone did it after the car was totaled and expecting that the new owner would end up blowing up the engine. In other words...this was planned for the car grenading on the new owner.
In California we have a thing called special construction....... Special construction will allow you to stamp new numbers into that thing however here's the catch....... And I've done this by the way a few times...... They tell you if someone comes along and says that that's their car and they can prove it you're going to jail......... Had a spitfire with no registration... Had boats with no registration.... Motorcycles.....
Keep us posted,this is very a interesting vehicle,and situation...
Good video. Love the mopar
How would you get in trouble it’s from Copart
Sorry randy about the big orange pumpkin good luck you an mike make some more videos yall two are the best an santas workshop
Randy, FYI the transmission bellhousing on the 6 cylinder is different due to the starter position.
Where'd you get that I am Randy plates in Minnesota tabs
plug is for good heat in winter
You got it all wrong with the Resistor! When turning the Motor to start you have 12V so to get a stronger Spark. Then, when you let go of the key the System provides a lower Voltage as not to pop the Coil. Belive me - I bougth a 440 GTX in Oregon in 1976 and drove it all over to New York with no issues, then the Coil started to act funny. After some half-hour of driving the engine stopped. Thinking it was dirt in the Carb I tore it apart, cleaned it and engine did run for another half-hour. Did this at least four times. - Not fun doing carb-maintenance on the Pennsylvania turnpike... The Police of course stopped and asked to help, but it wasn't needed. Later on when I got the Car over to Sweden, where I live, I found out that the Coil went bad after it got warm - new Coil - Case solved.
Otherwise - Nice Channel You got. Been following for more than three years now and checks every video, am a Subscriber, but it won't show as I use VPN and to avoid you tubes algorims....
Well said. That is why a car with a burnt out ballast will start when the key is in the start position, but die when the key turns to "run."
randy there is another youtuber called diy gang who bought a all wheel drive trackhawk and had all the papers from copart and knew the preous ower and some one used his vin number on another jeep that was also sold by copart and now he has been fighting with copart from jun 18th 2021 and i dont thing he has the title yet
You had that backwards. It’s supposed to get full voltage during cranking, then reduced voltage when running.