Thank you for documenting these. They have absolutely no place being in a permadeath survival game in the first place, yet they are anyway, and it's great to know how to avoid them.
Boy would the white knights have a word or 12 for you. Kinda like my idea that not haven't primitive fire tech is absurd which is why I always use the Fire Pack mod now that it's been remade. A magnifying glass is all we get? We can make line and a bow weapon from guts but can't make a bow drill? The pack adds flint drops tot he world now. So you can have flint and scrap metal.
@@Pest789 There is a vocal group of people in this game that think the devs can do no wrong and that every decision they have made is genius design. You can find them on the steam forums or hinterland forums. If you want to see, go post what you wrote over on the hinterland forums, lol. Put your fire suit on, though, you will get flamed. I come across them accidentally when looking for information sometimes. So in this case a "white knight" is someone that will defend the devs no matter what. I guess the opposite would be something like a "Devil's Advocate" but they would be arguing seriously as opposed to playing at it.
#6 is just ridiculous! So close to the tree trunk! One misstep trying to cross that tree trunk and your game is done for. Gheez, they should put that one WAY lower xp
I remember my first 3 or so deaths were caused by these death boxes, I know it's unrealistic to be able to goat down a mountain with zero equipment and end up fine, but it's even less realistic to instantly die from some invisible box.
If you really want to avoid something like this i strongly suggest copying your savefile every once in a while to a backup folder. It's not really cheating if you lost to a bug.
Going down like that is cheating, not in the "hacking" way but in the fairplay way. You're supposed to use ropes or die. That's how the devs designed the game. Do it if you want, no one will stop you, but hiding behind a "It's not really cheating" is weird. Why would you care now? If you cared about being a good boy, you wouldn't skyrim your way down a mountain. I don't think people who play like that have that sort of moral barrier "it's not really cheating if you lost to a bug". If they're already playing like that, they're probably completely fine with savescumming, abusing the wildlife ai, abusing game mechanics
@@legacymse7095 Of course dying to a fall is fairplay, im talking about weird death spots that do not require any ekhm.. gravity to work, later in the video you can see the guy just walking to a single rock and then dying instantly, no fall nothing. This is a bug and making a save copy for such instances is purely personal preferences, but sitll there is a lot of people complaining on reddit and other sites that it's "not fair" so that's why i made that comment.
@@legacymse7095 if the devs really cared about fairplay they could just use invisible walls instead of punishing the players with insta kills. or add something like a slide off mechanic, so the players get a obvious death.
@@legacymse7095 so and so. remember that one spot near the dam in blackrock? the little spot near the river you'd die just by walking there without touching the river.
@@legacymse7095 Yeah okay hypocrite. This is what you had to say about scurvy in another comment. "If it happens to me I open console and cure it. Simple." You're a cheating scum yourself get off your high horse. Imagine playing a survival game illegitimately yourself and then having the gall to flame others about it
I really feel like those are just a bad game design entity. If the game wasn't permadeath, or if some of those spots weren't something you could easily get into without realizing just by playing casually, sure I guess, go for it. But as is, eh.... There could at the very least be a survivor comment upon approaching those (which would also require some to be placed more or less differently), saying something like "Oh, I shouldn't go there, I'll probably die!"
Yup, at least there seem to be none in the DLC areas, the most recent addition seems to be in Keepers Pass, but even that one is under a bridge where you'd die anyway if you fell so I didn't include it. So maybe they learned and don't add them anymore.
@@BashrobeThere's an area in Transfer Pass (the area with the train station before the accesses to the 3 DLC regions) where it is seemingly possible to go (it's a vast open area under a cliff, fully rendered and everything), but if you try to mountain goat down you'll hit a death wall
@@reaperluke3518I did not die goating down there, can't see any death walls. Are you sure you didn't just fall? Regardless, there is nothing down there anyway.
The problem about the long dark is that falling damage is always really heavy due to the inability to jump Like sometimes i broke my foot just slideing a bit on a hill
I somewhat understand having them on out of bounds areas, but I still think it's really bad game design when they add an instant death to a slope that looks passable. Especially if it leads to an in bounds areas.
Yeah the ravine is a giant zone of "don't even TRY to mountain goat around here". i'm not even sure if you could safely shortcut to the train loot from the coastal highway side. ...But at least that one KINDA makes sense given how you'd otherwise be stuck down there with nowhere to go but ravine and bleak inlet. Some of the others....
La número 6 si es realmente peligrosa ya que cualquiera puede pasar por allí accidentalmente, las demás... ¿En qué carajos estarían pensando al tratar de acceder a esas áreas?
Oh, sing with me, sing for the year Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear Sing it with me, if it's just for today Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away
The last one in CH ended my nomad run cuz I wanted to see if I could just skip straight to the abandoned lookout. Invisible walls may be immersion breaking but at least they save you from erasing potential days of work. These kill barriers suck.
The last spot is where I died once. Luckily it was only a 20 or so day save. They should really just turn these spots into something similar to how weak ice works. You fall and recieve massive damage, probably broken ribs too and get sent back to safety.
And there's no way to tell ahead of time which pathways are approved goattrails a la timberwolf mountain going back down, and which are actually going to kill you (like that time there was a random one in freaking mystery lake, easily accessible from the wolf-bypass zone. which isn't itself SUPER easy to get into but it's extremely popular as a low-risk low-reward route around southern mystery lake. Thankfully that one got removed.) You take enough of a risk goatting/rockclimbing around that you'll fall and wreck some gear, we don't need arbitrary killzones with zero indication added to it. Maybe if rocks in those areas were a different color it would be manageable, then you'd KNOW to avoid that area.
Guess this is a bit less of a concern now considering Cheat Death is already implemented, tho I wonder how would someone recover their gear after such incidents. Still that tree trunk bridge deathbox is hilarious. The devs could've at least sculpt that area a bit to allow a bit room to climb back up.
I know in Elden ring if you die to out of bounds (or fall damage) your runes end up on the ledge you jumped from or fell off. so it probably works like that.
Honestly with ravine its less a question of where the death zones ARE and more a question of if ther'es any pathways they AREN"T, if you wanted to mountain goat your way down.
Comment for activity here on the Channel Bash. Goating is sort of inevitable in TLD - however - people who use this tactic regularly are not playing the game as intended. I feel like everyone understands that. All of these arguments about "shouldn't be in the game" and permadeath - well - there's a dev console mod, and even though I haven't used it myself - just watching Bash's channel I'd bet you can do a LOT with just that mod alone. So go test your routes on a cheat save then understand - goating is an exploit. I defy half of you to even WALK some of the ridges I have (PCT flex) let alone "goat" your way down to a shortcut - much less with a pack on, much less in a survival sitcho where risks are on you alone... Great channel Bash cheers.
I agree! Most of these make sense overall to discourage goating, tbf I wish there were ways to recover if you end up getting partway down one of these slopes on accident, akin to taking some damage and sprains to climb back up. When jumping isn't a thing and all snowpiles are treated as solid objects that can't be climbed, there should be *something* to recover. That being said I think a few of these killboxes at least need their location adjusted, such as the ravine tree log, that one should *not* be where it is, you walk slightly beside the log thinking maybe there could be hidden loot under it or something, and the run is over.
Well a lot of this is dying while trying to fuck with the game... 😅 yes goating is a thing, but in a survival game one should not be surprised if there is punishment for behavior like that.
Its easier to kill player than let them explore ! This tells all about the Hinterland ! I hate this game nowadays with its million bugs and never coming fixes
For real, I love the game, but it is so incredibly out of the players favor sometimes. Like straight unfair. I watched a wolf spawn in, and he immediately got into struggle mode with me, and he managed to give me 2 bleeding afflictions and 2 infections in about 4 seconds. Nearly lost a 100 day world because of that.
It's definitely the worst aspect of The long Dark. Exploration is a HUGE chunk of the game and these unmarked killzones are a slap in the face to exploration.
NEW death wall not covered in the video - transition cave between FA and ZC, if you try to goat down a cliff towards a river.
That insta death near the tree trunk bridge in ravine is RIDICULOUS
And learning about it makes me glad i DIDN'T try to take that shortcut to the train.
Same! I was about to try it on my main run when I decided to better check with a throwaway run. @@fractalgem
Thank you for documenting these. They have absolutely no place being in a permadeath survival game in the first place, yet they are anyway, and it's great to know how to avoid them.
Yeah I wish they removed them completely. Even getting stuck is better than dying instantly.
Boy would the white knights have a word or 12 for you. Kinda like my idea that not haven't primitive fire tech is absurd which is why I always use the Fire Pack mod now that it's been remade. A magnifying glass is all we get? We can make line and a bow weapon from guts but can't make a bow drill? The pack adds flint drops tot he world now. So you can have flint and scrap metal.
@@Nocturnalverse Wat
@@Pest789 There is a vocal group of people in this game that think the devs can do no wrong and that every decision they have made is genius design. You can find them on the steam forums or hinterland forums. If you want to see, go post what you wrote over on the hinterland forums, lol. Put your fire suit on, though, you will get flamed. I come across them accidentally when looking for information sometimes. So in this case a "white knight" is someone that will defend the devs no matter what. I guess the opposite would be something like a "Devil's Advocate" but they would be arguing seriously as opposed to playing at it.
@@Nocturnalverse Ahh. Yeah I've had three accounts banned from there.
#6 is just ridiculous! So close to the tree trunk! One misstep trying to cross that tree trunk and your game is done for. Gheez, they should put that one WAY lower xp
Holy shit! That is crazy close! I had no idea there was one there!
I remember my first 3 or so deaths were caused by these death boxes, I know it's unrealistic to be able to goat down a mountain with zero equipment and end up fine, but it's even less realistic to instantly die from some invisible box.
If you really want to avoid something like this i strongly suggest copying your savefile every once in a while to a backup folder.
It's not really cheating if you lost to a bug.
Going down like that is cheating, not in the "hacking" way but in the fairplay way. You're supposed to use ropes or die. That's how the devs designed the game.
Do it if you want, no one will stop you, but hiding behind a "It's not really cheating" is weird. Why would you care now? If you cared about being a good boy, you wouldn't skyrim your way down a mountain.
I don't think people who play like that have that sort of moral barrier "it's not really cheating if you lost to a bug". If they're already playing like that, they're probably completely fine with savescumming, abusing the wildlife ai, abusing game mechanics
@@legacymse7095 Of course dying to a fall is fairplay, im talking about weird death spots that do not require any ekhm.. gravity to work, later in the video you can see the guy just walking to a single rock and then dying instantly, no fall nothing. This is a bug and making a save copy for such instances is purely personal preferences, but sitll there is a lot of people complaining on reddit and other sites that it's "not fair" so that's why i made that comment.
@@legacymse7095 if the devs really cared about fairplay they could just use invisible walls instead of punishing the players with insta kills. or add something like a slide off mechanic, so the players get a obvious death.
@@legacymse7095 so and so. remember that one spot near the dam in blackrock? the little spot near the river you'd die just by walking there without touching the river.
@@legacymse7095 Yeah okay hypocrite. This is what you had to say about scurvy in another comment. "If it happens to me I open console and cure it. Simple." You're a cheating scum yourself get off your high horse. Imagine playing a survival game illegitimately yourself and then having the gall to flame others about it
Number 6 ended my 100 day run. I am still angry about this. After almost 2 years.
I really feel like those are just a bad game design entity. If the game wasn't permadeath, or if some of those spots weren't something you could easily get into without realizing just by playing casually, sure I guess, go for it. But as is, eh.... There could at the very least be a survivor comment upon approaching those (which would also require some to be placed more or less differently), saying something like "Oh, I shouldn't go there, I'll probably die!"
Yup, at least there seem to be none in the DLC areas, the most recent addition seems to be in Keepers Pass, but even that one is under a bridge where you'd die anyway if you fell so I didn't include it. So maybe they learned and don't add them anymore.
@@BashrobeThere's an area in Transfer Pass (the area with the train station before the accesses to the 3 DLC regions) where it is seemingly possible to go (it's a vast open area under a cliff, fully rendered and everything), but if you try to mountain goat down you'll hit a death wall
@@reaperluke3518I did not die goating down there, can't see any death walls. Are you sure you didn't just fall? Regardless, there is nothing down there anyway.
@@Bashrobe really? Can you go back up?
@@reaperluke3518probably not. maybe you could fall off the map which will teleport you back to TP entrance
The problem about the long dark is that falling damage is always really heavy due to the inability to jump
Like sometimes i broke my foot just slideing a bit on a hill
I died in the mountain town death spot. I had only day 25 but it's just a pain to explore everything again...
copy your save file before the game or danger moment not to start again
Yup I died there too once trying a shortcut. These instadeaths are a penalty to trying to explore some of their janky map designs.
lesson learned: don't even think about trying to goat
or at least, don't try to goat without following a guide on where to goat as a shortcut.
Каждый раз я представляю что это происходит в моем сохранении и получаю легкий сердечный приступ
I somewhat understand having them on out of bounds areas, but I still think it's really bad game design when they add an instant death to a slope that looks passable. Especially if it leads to an in bounds areas.
Jeez, that Ravine one is really bad. I knew about some of these but that tree trunk one is unforgivable. Blech
Yeah the ravine is a giant zone of "don't even TRY to mountain goat around here". i'm not even sure if you could safely shortcut to the train loot from the coastal highway side.
...But at least that one KINDA makes sense given how you'd otherwise be stuck down there with nowhere to go but ravine and bleak inlet. Some of the others....
La número 6 si es realmente peligrosa ya que cualquiera puede pasar por allí accidentalmente, las demás... ¿En qué carajos estarían pensando al tratar de acceder a esas áreas?
#6 and the last 2 seem very petty almost like some of the river edge areas in blackrock just insta drowning 😂
Thanks for the video. I remember the one in Milton (down the plane crash) ending my 200+ day stalker run 3 years ago. I can't take chances this time.
Wow thanks for these, n6 is stupid easy to die in.
It's crazy how fast it happens and how nonsensical some of them are, like you barely dip your toe in water and you're instantly dead.
I tried to do go under trestle in my 70 days stalker save and i died
Ravine is infamous for ending runs because of these.. most of the killboxes are in the Ravine after all.
@@Bashrobe with how many thete are im surprised they didn't just use one or two big ones for ravine.
THANK YOU A LOT!!!!!!!! i lost my 150 day save on max difficulty because of killbox
"Anywhere's an instant death spot if you're brave enough." --Anonymous Survivor from the first clip
Oh, sing with me, sing for the year
Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear
Sing it with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away
The last one in CH ended my nomad run cuz I wanted to see if I could just skip straight to the abandoned lookout. Invisible walls may be immersion breaking but at least they save you from erasing potential days of work. These kill barriers suck.
The last spot is where I died once. Luckily it was only a 20 or so day save. They should really just turn these spots into something similar to how weak ice works. You fall and recieve massive damage, probably broken ribs too and get sent back to safety.
The killboxes feel right to avoid players doing goating but at the same time they feel like complete BS...
And there's no way to tell ahead of time which pathways are approved goattrails a la timberwolf mountain going back down, and which are actually going to kill you (like that time there was a random one in freaking mystery lake, easily accessible from the wolf-bypass zone. which isn't itself SUPER easy to get into but it's extremely popular as a low-risk low-reward route around southern mystery lake. Thankfully that one got removed.)
You take enough of a risk goatting/rockclimbing around that you'll fall and wreck some gear, we don't need arbitrary killzones with zero indication added to it. Maybe if rocks in those areas were a different color it would be manageable, then you'd KNOW to avoid that area.
@@fractalgem they could add a simple red sign with a skull or something...
Or maybe a warning interface like the ice one?
Damn, the beginning was beautiful 😍
I lost a run to the FA ZOC killbox, and worse yet it was my furthest save yet at 300 days going for the will to live. I hate this game sometimes
Guess this is a bit less of a concern now considering Cheat Death is already implemented, tho I wonder how would someone recover their gear after such incidents.
Still that tree trunk bridge deathbox is hilarious. The devs could've at least sculpt that area a bit to allow a bit room to climb back up.
I know in Elden ring if you die to out of bounds (or fall damage) your runes end up on the ledge you jumped from or fell off. so it probably works like that.
Honestly with ravine its less a question of where the death zones ARE and more a question of if ther'es any pathways they AREN"T, if you wanted to mountain goat your way down.
Are you kidding me??? Who the hell even takes these paths???
Comment for activity here on the Channel Bash. Goating is sort of inevitable in TLD - however - people who use this tactic regularly are not playing the game as intended. I feel like everyone understands that. All of these arguments about "shouldn't be in the game" and permadeath - well - there's a dev console mod, and even though I haven't used it myself - just watching Bash's channel I'd bet you can do a LOT with just that mod alone. So go test your routes on a cheat save then understand - goating is an exploit. I defy half of you to even WALK some of the ridges I have (PCT flex) let alone "goat" your way down to a shortcut - much less with a pack on, much less in a survival sitcho where risks are on you alone... Great channel Bash cheers.
I agree! Most of these make sense overall to discourage goating, tbf I wish there were ways to recover if you end up getting partway down one of these slopes on accident, akin to taking some damage and sprains to climb back up. When jumping isn't a thing and all snowpiles are treated as solid objects that can't be climbed, there should be *something* to recover.
That being said I think a few of these killboxes at least need their location adjusted, such as the ravine tree log, that one should *not* be where it is, you walk slightly beside the log thinking maybe there could be hidden loot under it or something, and the run is over.
Thanks. Run-saving information right here
Idc if it'd be immersion breaking or whatever, it should teleport you back to the top like it does when you fall through ice.
I thank God they did NOT include stupid ideas like this
Nice vid Bashy!
that was much more fun when you could go anywhere and stuck there or meet dead end or the end of polygons
Why i see this first time i lost stalker save 68 days signal void made 2 bunkers and tryied cut ravine rope to bi.
3:24 WHAT?!
Hinterland, can i ask WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!
Its like the worst death screen of all time
Wow! The one by the tree trunk bridge was surprisingly high!! th-cam.com/video/NIYBONWH24s/w-d-xo.html
Yup better not stand on edge. Also you can just do 2:01 😃
lol pro YT strats @@Bashrobe
how do you get up to where the first clip is in ash canyon
I once lost an over 300 day run bc I got stuck down in a mine in CH I think. Lasted 2 weeks down there and the electricity never came back on *sigh*
В прибрежном шоссе эту дыру закрыли
Killboxes in open world games are so dumb. They want you to explore and then kill you for doing so.... contradictory much?
Ravine ones are stupid and should be fixed
JUMP!
No u
god bro
Well a lot of this is dying while trying to fuck with the game... 😅 yes goating is a thing, but in a survival game one should not be surprised if there is punishment for behavior like that.
But, that tree trunk one is insane
Овраг это редкостный дебилизм
What is this emotional damage bull*hit
Its easier to kill player than let them explore ! This tells all about the Hinterland ! I hate this game nowadays with its million bugs and never coming fixes
For real, I love the game, but it is so incredibly out of the players favor sometimes. Like straight unfair. I watched a wolf spawn in, and he immediately got into struggle mode with me, and he managed to give me 2 bleeding afflictions and 2 infections in about 4 seconds. Nearly lost a 100 day world because of that.
It's definitely the worst aspect of The long Dark. Exploration is a HUGE chunk of the game and these unmarked killzones are a slap in the face to exploration.
All yall mfs mad bc you cant cheat and mountain goat ur way around 😂 the only bs one was the 2nd to last when he touched the rock
And #6