Thank you for this vid. I’m a born and bred W.Va. Granny, now 80 yrs. old. It was wonderful to see the Mountains and hills and to hear you talk about the old days. Thanks again.
Those homes were built. Still have the glass windows. They'll stand longer than the cheap stuff passing for expensive home today. The last two home were nice, in their time. The stuff in the kitchen were from a much newer era. Thank you for these great videos!.. very enjoyable.
Had to comment again AMAZING ! Your family should be extremely proud of you. We have to know our past to know where we are going. You have a concrete foundation about this concept. So many people young and old could care less but those who do care like you do have a very good sense of self. Grandpa would be proud. Thanks . Loved it!
Great video. Where are you? I am amazed that the antiques haven’t been scavenged. I am 70 years old, born in WVA with family roots in SW Virginia that preceded Daniel Boone. I used to do a lot of camping from Georgia to Main and mountain stream fishing in the south. Keep up the good work.
It's 2017 as I'm watching, I loved hearing about your Grandpa. Thanks for making these, I love history. Hope you're doing well still, greetings from Northern Canada :)
Awesome video, keep 'em coming. These ruins are so fascinating. So much interesting history in the mountains, and I feel like it gets overlooked too often. Glad you're bringing them to light.
@@wildernessfreak81 really enjoyed it. My son & I found a couple of these type old house places. 1 wile Hunting just outside of Fort Deposit Al. Was old well. & Foundation stones. ,& I was looking for Graveyard didn't find any there. Then another on top of Scott Mountain Al. Hunting & stone Pillars for House & Stone Well.& two children graves with small fence around it. Makes you wonder what years & how life passed them by. ! Had to have been very hard as they lost two children.
Wow part 2 was just as good or better than part 1! You are such a natural at doing this. I love the historical detail that you give us the viewer! I am very impressed with your videos. Beautiful scenery. Great work!
Wonderful presentation. Great video work. Reminds me of the hollers of Panther, West Virginia. My kin the Walker's live there. I have truly enjoyed the journey through the past.
I look at this and feel for my folk that left this side of the pond to go to a strange land to make a new life,and yet i feel so proud of them,they built a Nation,,,,Respect,,,,,,, Trapper,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
My ancestors did so much work here in TN...it's amazing what these folks did in a lifetime!!! I have told my daughter how much they did to get what their children and grandchildren now enjoy...well some of them many have left but I came to where my granny and pa grew up and raised my daughter here...I'm more than humbled to say the least...pa and my dad worked for the railroads in Ohio where I grew up!!! Thanks and hey that mountain view area...stunning and majestic!!! Your blessed
EARTH ANGEL THANK YOU FOR A VERY INTERESTING VIDEO! THESE BEAUTIFUL AND WELL BUILT. BUILDINGS HAVE SURVIVED THROUGH THE TESTS OF TIME! IMAGINE LIFE IN THOSE DAYS!🤔👍😊😇
I'm sure that I just saw some of my family heritage. Maybe not the specific places, but the style of life in the Appalachia of the 1800's and 1900's. Thanks so much for doing this. I think it's very important to remember from where we came.
That's a really good video. We have an old Civil War Ironworks at Tannehill here in Alabama. Looks very similar. You have to admire what they built and got to work. Was a nice touch showing the map and then finding the remains in the woods. I really enjoy these types of historical videos.
I loved walking out in the woods and finding old things...homes barn sheds creeks anything really..I use to do that on my Grandmothers property but it's not in our family any longer..,,I am no longer able to do those walks due to medical problems but I sure miss it.... love your videos and all the history you tell about it...Thanks so much for sharing
13:22 this caught my eye....The Blue Eyed Six were a group of six men, all of them coincidentally blue-eyed, who were arrested and indicted on first degree murder charges in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, in 1879.
This young man was exploring in Lebanon County in Cold Spring Township near the town of Gold Mine. Delorme Atlas Pennsylvania page 69. The Appalachian Trail is nearby
I can not wait to visit Appalachia! I see great and mysterious things. The old world was something else, wasn’t it :) I hadn’t known about the Appalachian old world, I’m so excited about what I’m seeing! Thank you so much for sharing 🙏🌟
Been back in these parts by the old hotel, taking cold spring road in from the gap. I absolutely enjoy the rejuvenated woods and history. Have since been to many places out west and the only place that compares to that wilderness is northern Minnesota on the border with canada.
You should travel to abandoned community known locally as “Silvers Town.” It is located in the East Tennessee mountains in the southern part of Unicoi County,near a village called “Flag Pond;” at the last exit off I-26 before entering North Carolina. In Flag Pond, take the “Rice Creek” road south a couple of miles and ask for directions to Silvers Town. You will have to leave your vehicle parked on Rice Creek road and hike up the side of a mountain to get to Silver’s Town. There,you will find intact houses, stores, a church, a school, a cemetery and various other buildings. Inside the houses, you will find home made rustic furniture with dishes and cups on the tables, farming tools outside, etc. It is not commerciled, but nobody can explain why the residents just up and left the area, leaving their belongings behind.
'mornin 2 ya, Branden; Many thanks 4 taking us along on a wonderful journey through your History,& 'ole sites from yesteryear.Wonderfully done video,Looking forward 2 the next part. Hoping this finds U & Yours safe well & warm. Happy Trails From The Maritimes In Canada A.T.B. Terry " GOD BLESS "
Oh please I beg you that if you value those old buildings and all you find to take great pictures of them with a drawn map location and dates and any more important information...then give this to your historical office and even burn all to a DVD or such and also send copy to your state. That way all will not be lost if in time you pass on it will not be lost. Also some states if they see a high importance will restore things as they were. I am a 65 year old granny and hillbilly and since the passing of all my family I really got into genealogy and history and even for other people along with documenting an old graveyard I found in the hills of West Virginia that had a generals name on the grave marker. Thanks for this wonderful video and watch for snakes and Bigfoot!!! Lol
Your grandpa must have been a helluva man ... The youth of today couldn't begin to imagine how much back breaking labor it takes to clear land and make it so smooth and pretty...
We called them spring boxes. Cisterns were boxes with a loose cover that caught water off of roofs. The water was dipped or hand carried or gravity fed to use in the house for everything needin water...it was even fit to drink. I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina (aka the southern Appalachians)
What state are you in? We have a Sharps mtn in WV. You usually get good water from the mountains. Could you imagine the work that went into honing out those old stones? @12:28, I'd love that old cook stove and that old wash tub in the background. Oh my that old heat stove @13:06. What a gem. What is "The Blue-eyed Six?". Liked and subbed, I love this type of history. TFS
Thank you. I always liked this. We have some remains of old plantations in Mississippi but not much abandoned old settlements like this. I know of a few places along the Mississippi River which are abandoned towns but I think there's a lot more of this in the Apalachian Mountains.
In central NC, as kids, if we saw black snails in the water, we knew it was safe to drink. And we filled our canteens there.(but naturally I would not drink it today). I assume they are the same snails you'd see in some aquariums. But if the water was bad, they were the first to go.
Access to safe surface water like this drastically decreased in the 60's and early 70's both here and in the blue ridge mountains as well. Once people would drive to the mountains to fill jugs with mountain spring water by the side of the parkway. The use of shallow wells is still declining here due to concerns of over population.
I'm enjoying your videos, would love to see these places in person someday. BTW be careful walking around the woods, could step right into a old well that the wood has rotted away years ago
I like seeing this stuff. It sounds like you live in the Hershey, PA area. Is that right? I live pretty close. I am to the west close to the Delaware River.
Many of the decommissioned rail lines in northern WV have been converted into recreational hiking/biking trails, which I find funny because when I was growing up, my father & I, and later my friends & I, used to walk those same tracks for fun. The only difference now, is, there's no danger of getting hit by a train or falling through the ties while crossing rail bridges. The old Rt. 7 rail trail, I believe, goes all the way from the headwaters of the Decker's Creek watershed in Reedsville/Arthurdale/Masontown? to downtown Morgantown, where the Creek enters into the Monongahela River. Midway somewhere, near Greer Limestone, there's an old road that turns off Rt. 7 heading away from the trail and the Creek and way back into the mountains. Eventually, the road morphs from paved, to gravel, to dirt, and then into trail. If you walk aways, you'll come to an old spring that's been tapped; the water continually trickles from a metal pipe sticking out of a rock in the mountainside down to a small stone basin, the overflow being absorbed into the muddy, pot-holed, fern-lined path at your feet. Sweetest water I ever tasted. Don't know if this place even exists anymore. My daddy took me there just to show it to me & take a sip one summer afternoon. He grew up roaming those WV mountainsides & I loved to explore. He had nothing of monetary value to bequeath me at his death, which just makes me value the paths, trails, old abandoned farmsteads, lagoons, rock formations and long-unused roads to yesterday that he shared with me on our long walks together all the more.
I have read that before the Europeans arrived on this continent, between the Rocky Mountains and the Atlantic Ocean there was one "Uninterrupted" forest. Thanks for showing this good stuff.
"...down in some alone valley, in a lonesome place, where the wild birds do whistle & their notes stir up the trees, I loved pretty Saro but I bade her adu~tho I'll love that bright angel, wherever I roam..." Pretty Saro, from my Laurel Ridge, mountain home, S.W. Pa.
The big building was a girls finishing school. The concrete trough was the early sewer system. Dump your slop jars and they would flood it at a certain times washing the night soil away.
Amen my daddy probably cut some of those he worked at sawmills literally all his life! 🥰🙌🏼❤️🙏🏼 my moms uncle Dolph worked with iron! I have an old stool/chair that he made! ❤️ I’ve got family from Clark’s creek n.c. Every house we ever lived in my daddy would build a fence or a rock wall! ❤️😊
great video, that furnace is huge, who and how did they cut and place the stones? in NY where I lived there are old iron furnaces also, just like this one, huge
Thank you for this vid. I’m a born and bred W.Va. Granny, now 80 yrs. old. It was wonderful to see the Mountains and hills and to hear you talk about the old days. Thanks again.
I'm so glad to see young folks care about their heritage and the folk that have gone before.
Those homes were built. Still have the glass windows. They'll stand longer than the cheap stuff passing for expensive home today. The last two home were nice, in their time. The stuff in the kitchen were from a much newer era. Thank you for these great videos!.. very enjoyable.
Had to comment again AMAZING ! Your family should be extremely proud of you. We have to know our past to know where we are going. You have a concrete foundation about this concept. So many people young and old could care less but those who do care like you do have a very good sense of self. Grandpa would be proud. Thanks . Loved it!
Excellent! This is lost history being uncovered. The music is outstanding, too, being authentic - the real thing. Keep up Alan Lomax's work.
Thank you for taking me on your walk with you.
Great video. Where are you? I am amazed that the antiques haven’t been scavenged.
I am 70 years old, born in WVA with family roots in SW Virginia that preceded Daniel Boone.
I used to do a lot of camping from Georgia to Main and mountain stream fishing in the south. Keep up the good work.
enjoyed watching , you live in an area full of amazing history .. thanks for posting
Thanks for watching.
Great stuff. It's amazing that the artifacts of a life are still there in those last places. It's a real snapshot in time.
It's 2017 as I'm watching, I loved hearing about your Grandpa. Thanks for making these, I love history. Hope you're doing well still, greetings from Northern Canada :)
Awesome video, keep 'em coming. These ruins are so fascinating. So much interesting history in the mountains, and I feel like it gets overlooked too often. Glad you're bringing them to light.
Thanks for watching.
@@wildernessfreak81 really enjoyed it. My son & I found a couple of these type old house places. 1 wile Hunting just outside of Fort Deposit Al. Was old well. & Foundation stones. ,& I was looking for Graveyard didn't find any there.
Then another on top of Scott Mountain Al. Hunting & stone Pillars for House & Stone Well.& two children graves with small fence around it.
Makes you wonder what years & how life passed them by. !
Had to have been very hard as they lost two children.
THANK YOU for sharing your family history. Very educational AND just sweet history!
Wow part 2 was just as good or better than part 1! You are such a natural at doing this. I love the historical detail that you give us the viewer! I am very impressed with your videos. Beautiful scenery. Great work!
This is fascinating! What a setup they had for their times! Thanks for taking time to preserve this history and share it. I enjoyed it very much.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you for sharing it.
My dad logged near Smoke Hole in his younger days.Great video, love West Virginia. Thanks for taking an interest.
Wonderful presentation. Great video work. Reminds me of the hollers of Panther, West Virginia. My kin the Walker's live there. I have truly enjoyed the journey through the past.
Thanks for sharing! I miss the mountains. you are blessed to have grown up there.
They did great stone masonary work , thanx for the post
Thank you so much for your informative video. I appreciate your time to make this video.
I look at this and feel for my folk that left this side of the pond to go to a strange land to make a new life,and yet i feel so proud of them,they built a Nation,,,,Respect,,,,,,, Trapper,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
My ancestors did so much work here in TN...it's amazing what these folks did in a lifetime!!! I have told my daughter how much they did to get what their children and grandchildren now enjoy...well some of them many have left but I came to where my granny and pa grew up and raised my daughter here...I'm more than humbled to say the least...pa and my dad worked for the railroads in Ohio where I grew up!!! Thanks and hey that mountain view area...stunning and majestic!!! Your blessed
EARTH ANGEL THANK YOU FOR A VERY INTERESTING VIDEO! THESE BEAUTIFUL AND WELL BUILT. BUILDINGS HAVE SURVIVED THROUGH THE TESTS OF TIME! IMAGINE LIFE IN THOSE DAYS!🤔👍😊😇
AMAZING structure! beautiful rock work. Thanks
I'm sure that I just saw some of my family heritage. Maybe not the specific places, but the style of life in the Appalachia of the 1800's and 1900's. Thanks so much for doing this. I think it's very important to remember from where we came.
Awesome video!!! Keep up the good work, I would love to see more!!
OMG the view at 11:26 is breath taking! Beautiful videography! Such history. Thanks for sharing with Canada to!
This is a great video. Very interesting. I have seen that picture before and was impressed with your work. Thanks for posting.
wow this is awesome. Thank you for preserving this history
That's a really good video. We have an old Civil War Ironworks at Tannehill here in Alabama. Looks very similar. You have to admire what they built and got to work. Was a nice touch showing the map and then finding the remains in the woods. I really enjoy these types of historical videos.
Hey, Thanks I plan on showing more settlements.
Another very interesting video. Thanks again.
I loved walking out in the woods and finding old things...homes barn sheds creeks anything really..I use to do that on my Grandmothers property but it's not in our family any longer..,,I am no longer able to do those walks due to medical problems but I sure miss it.... love your videos and all the history you tell about it...Thanks so much for sharing
13:22 this caught my eye....The Blue Eyed Six were a group of six men, all of them coincidentally blue-eyed, who were arrested and indicted on first degree murder charges in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, in 1879.
TY for telling who the Blue-eyed Six were, I was wondering.
This young man was exploring in Lebanon County in Cold Spring Township near the town of Gold Mine. Delorme Atlas Pennsylvania page 69. The Appalachian Trail is nearby
That is so cool you show the old railroads and homes. I like the old history of our country. Thanks for the tour, and keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching.
I can not wait to visit Appalachia! I see great and mysterious things. The old world was something else, wasn’t it :) I hadn’t known about the Appalachian old world, I’m so excited about what I’m seeing! Thank you so much for sharing 🙏🌟
man that was so Interesting, I love mountain history, been to cades cove several times. thanks for posting
You really need to run the Equinox 800 over those areas. These really are some amazing pieces of HISTORY you are showing! Thank you.
Thanks so much for this excellent effort!
Thank you for this video. Great Hisytory.
I can remember walking in the hills of Pulaski County Kentucky and seeing rock walls like these. I never thought they were once houses. Great video
Been back in these parts by the old hotel, taking cold spring road in from the gap. I absolutely enjoy the rejuvenated woods and history. Have since been to many places out west and the only place that compares to that wilderness is northern Minnesota on the border with canada.
Awesome video,it awesome that people like you keep the history alive
Thank you for this video. Great History. keep up the good work.
I really enjoy your videos. What you are doing here is a public service. Stay proud of who you are and where you came from.
You should travel to abandoned community known locally as “Silvers Town.” It is located in the East Tennessee mountains in the southern part of Unicoi County,near a village called “Flag Pond;” at the last exit off I-26 before entering North Carolina. In Flag Pond, take the “Rice
Creek” road south a couple of miles and ask for directions to Silvers Town. You will have to leave your vehicle parked on Rice Creek road and hike up the side of a mountain to get to Silver’s Town. There,you will find intact houses, stores, a church, a school, a cemetery and various other buildings. Inside the houses, you will find home made
rustic furniture with dishes and cups on the tables, farming tools outside,
etc. It is not commerciled, but nobody can explain why the residents just up and left the area, leaving their belongings behind.
i know where that is..im from carter co..just next door
Can i live in silvercity
Can i live in an abandond town
Mr davis can anyone move to silver town
Could have been a dioxin site?
Great series mr. Silk !
The holes in the side determine the amount of air you let in to maintain charcoal temperature by blocking the amount of air let in t
to The chamber
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'mornin 2 ya, Branden; Many thanks 4 taking us along on a wonderful journey through your History,& 'ole sites from yesteryear.Wonderfully done video,Looking forward 2 the next part. Hoping this finds U & Yours safe well & warm.
Happy Trails From The Maritimes In Canada A.T.B. Terry
" GOD BLESS "
Thanks for watching and all your comments.
Oh please I beg you that if you value those old buildings and all you find to take great pictures of them with a drawn map location and dates and any more important information...then give this to your historical office and even burn all to a DVD or such and also send copy to your state. That way all will not be lost if in time you pass on it will not be lost. Also some states if they see a high importance will restore things as they were. I am a 65 year old granny and hillbilly and since the passing of all my family I really got into genealogy and history and even for other people along with documenting an old graveyard I found in the hills of West Virginia that had a generals name on the grave marker. Thanks for this wonderful video and watch for snakes and Bigfoot!!! Lol
Thanks a lot for the videos. What a great story them places could tell if they could speak. Really enjoyed them.
I LOVE IT! KEEP UM COMIN!
That was good stuff. I'd love to find an old house like that full of stuff. You can really get a sense of how they lived there.
A fine way to tour the wild. Not a happy place at night. Stay Safe at night, BAK
Beautiful stone work on those furnaces and bridge too. Ever feel like you were born about 150 years to late?
Awesome footage Brandon. Very interesting
Thanks for watching and all your comments.
Your grandpa must have been a helluva man ... The youth of today couldn't begin to imagine how much back breaking labor it takes to clear land and make it so smooth and pretty...
Looks like some locations here in N. GA. Very cool video.
Thanks for watching.
That was fascinating, thank you. 🙂
5:35 those are definitely cisterns, not wells. They caught spring water from the earth's natural springs.
They were the out houses for the Hotel.
We called them spring boxes. Cisterns were boxes with a loose cover that caught water off of roofs. The water was dipped or hand carried or gravity fed to use in the house for everything needin water...it was even fit to drink.
I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina (aka the southern Appalachians)
This is so very interesting to me because my ancestors are from the mountains of NC. Thank you for keeping the old ways going?
Wow that was some cool old stone masonry work
Really cool. People had to be completely self-sufficient and ingenious
What state are you in? We have a Sharps mtn in WV. You usually get good water from the mountains. Could you imagine the work that went into honing out those old stones? @12:28, I'd love that old cook stove and that old wash tub in the background. Oh my that old heat stove @13:06. What a gem. What is "The Blue-eyed Six?". Liked and subbed, I love this type of history. TFS
Thank you. I always liked this. We have some remains of old plantations in Mississippi but not much abandoned old settlements like this. I know of a few places along the Mississippi River which are abandoned towns but I think there's a lot more of this in the Apalachian Mountains.
Great job, thank you.....
Love this
In central NC, as kids, if we saw black snails in the water, we knew it was safe to drink. And we filled our canteens there.(but naturally I would not drink it today). I assume they are the same snails you'd see in some aquariums. But if the water was bad, they were the first to go.
Access to safe surface water like this drastically decreased in the 60's and early 70's both here and in the blue ridge mountains as well. Once people would drive to the mountains to fill jugs with mountain spring water by the side of the parkway. The use of shallow wells is still declining here due to concerns of over population.
What a great find. Joseph Raber victim of the Blue Eyed Six. Read up on the history of this. Very interesting.
I love your videos.
I'm enjoying your videos, would love to see these places in person someday. BTW be careful walking around the woods, could step right into a old well that the wood has rotted away years ago
I'd love to know how those old furnaces worked. You can find them all over southern PA. Though I don't think I've ever come across one that big
I wud love to see some of those places restored to their former glory
At 12 min and 08 seconds you can see the old bed posts against the wall from the window shot. Amazing.
I like seeing this stuff. It sounds like you live in the Hershey, PA area. Is that right? I live pretty close. I am to the west close to the Delaware River.
Great footage! The kids narration was amateur but genuine and heartfelt. This was fun to watch.
the last witch hunter or hansel and gretel must be filmed here..perfect location..the well, the well, the well..always well :D curious"
Many of the decommissioned rail lines in northern WV have been converted into recreational hiking/biking trails, which I find funny because when I was growing up, my father & I, and later my friends & I, used to walk those same tracks for fun. The only difference now, is, there's no danger of getting hit by a train or falling through the ties while crossing rail bridges. The old Rt. 7 rail trail, I believe, goes all the way from the headwaters of the Decker's Creek watershed in Reedsville/Arthurdale/Masontown? to downtown Morgantown, where the Creek enters into the Monongahela River. Midway somewhere, near Greer Limestone, there's an old road that turns off Rt. 7 heading away from the trail and the Creek and way back into the mountains. Eventually, the road morphs from paved, to gravel, to dirt, and then into trail. If you walk aways, you'll come to an old spring that's been tapped; the water continually trickles from a metal pipe sticking out of a rock in the mountainside down to a small stone basin, the overflow being absorbed into the muddy, pot-holed, fern-lined path at your feet. Sweetest water I ever tasted. Don't know if this place even exists anymore. My daddy took me there just to show it to me & take a sip one summer afternoon. He grew up roaming those WV mountainsides & I loved to explore. He had nothing of monetary value to bequeath me at his death, which just makes me value the paths, trails, old abandoned farmsteads, lagoons, rock formations and long-unused roads to yesterday that he shared with me on our long walks together all the more.
Anywhere near wheeling wv by chance?
@@RobD-jq7ry Not too far from, but more Monongalia, Preston & Marion Counties, altho I was born nearby & raised slightly south of.
Cool. Thx for getting back to me. I enjoyed reading your post.
Some of that old stuff likely built by Scotish Highlanders that migrated over in the late 1700's.. fascinating history
It's nice comparing drawings and maps of the past to the present. I imagine there's a lot of such comparisons we can make.
Very cool!
thanks for watching
Really cool thanks
Awesome video!
Thanks for watching.
In Owingsville , Kentucky there is an old iron works furness if your interested in finding it..it's actually not too hard to find or get..
nice job.
I have read that before the Europeans arrived on this continent, between the Rocky Mountains and the Atlantic Ocean there was one "Uninterrupted" forest. Thanks for showing this good stuff.
Dude! that's some cool stuff!
Thanks for watching.
Lived close to Mt. Savage Furnace in Carter County, Kentucky. They had furnace days when I was growing up.
thank yew for the series
Great Videos, How did Cut the rock to make the walls or is it brick from mud?
I wish someone would restore the house
Great channel! Subbed. God bless. John
13:20 Joseph Raber and the Blue Eyed Six - supposedly hauntings galore and ghostly blue lights.
Hopefully hiking through here on my AT hike
"...down in some alone valley, in a lonesome place, where the wild birds do whistle & their notes stir up the trees, I loved pretty Saro but I bade her adu~tho I'll love that bright angel, wherever I roam..." Pretty Saro, from my Laurel Ridge, mountain home, S.W. Pa.
I love the Applicatia. My blood comes from all over Europe but this is my home. It runs threw my veins more than anything else.
Excellent! What ste is this?
The big building was a girls finishing school. The concrete trough was the early sewer system. Dump your slop jars and they would flood it at a certain times washing the night soil away.
very cool dude
Great video! Rausch Gap area? Ellendale Forge? Victoria furnace? Rattling run?
I know its an old video just stumbled on it!
Amen my daddy probably cut some of those he worked at sawmills literally all his life! 🥰🙌🏼❤️🙏🏼 my moms uncle Dolph worked with iron! I have an old stool/chair that he made! ❤️ I’ve got family from Clark’s creek n.c. Every house we ever lived in my daddy would build a fence or a rock wall! ❤️😊
great video, that furnace is huge, who and how did they cut and place the stones? in NY where I lived there are old iron furnaces also, just like this one, huge